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2006-03-16 Thread Sanjay N Lulla



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Tamil Nadu's first homosexual societyA Ganesh Nadar in Chennai | March 16, 200613:11 IST
The Men Community Development Society is a milestone in Chennai, a city definitely not known for its liberalism. The Society is for homosexuals. 
Started on Wednesday by the anti-AIDS non-governmental organisation Indian Community Welfare Organisation, the Society was formed to address violations of homosexual men's human rights, help them get help from the government, to provide them support in times of need, and to help them form more such organisations in other districts of Tamil Nadu. 

At the inauguration, most of those present complained of regular police harassment.
One member related how the police suspected them to be prostitutes just because they carried condoms. 
On one hand the government advertises on radio, TV and newspapers to use condoms and on the other hand the cops arrest us for carrying them, he said.
Some of them had been thrown out of their jobs when their colleagues learnt of their sexual preference. 
One man said his family had accepted his homosexuality, but not society. 
Another narrated how he got married just to satisfy his family and still went out looking for love. 
The event's chief guest, Dr Jaya Shreedhar, said homosexuals are born with their sexual preference; it is innate and cannot be 'changed.' Homosexuality is not 'abnormal,' she stressed. 
Gays are accepted in Western countries but not here, she said. 
In fact, a Bill is being mooted to make homosexuality legal, she pointed out. 
The Society -- which has started off with 300 members and has identified more than 7,000 future members in the city -- will educate its members about sexually transmitted diseases, particularly HIV/AIDS, help them become financially independent, encourage them to save and provide them medical help. 

The members of the Society said they would help others like themselves. They would stop them from becoming prostitutes, make them health conscious and train them to make money without resorting to commercial sex. 

To address the common grievance of doctors treating homosexuals with disdain, the Society has its own doctor and clinic. 
It will have computers, driving, tailoring, beautician and folk art courses for its members. 
The ICWO, which was formed in 1992, has been working with homosexuals for the last six years in its efforts to combat HIV/AIDS. 
The Men Community Development Society can be contacted at: 044-2618 4392 and 044-55515742.
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g_b Re: gb The strength of a man ...(missing it is absolute sin!) Marvellous!

2006-03-16 Thread Sanjay N Lulla



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g_b and after Brokeback comes...

2006-03-16 Thread Vikram
... The Front Runner

Actually this might not seem like much news since plans to make a 
film version of Patricia Nell Warren's novel have been going on for 
so long and involved so many false starts and studios getting cold 
feet and stars backing out that someone is probably scripting a film 
based just on this. 

But this time it seems like the project really has traction (not to 
mention a website at http://www.thefrontrunnermovie.com/) because 
Warren has recently bought back the rights to the film and has got a 
production company on the go now. And they seem to have benefitted 
from Brokeback because that has proven there is a space for a 
mainstream Hollywood film with a gay romance at its heart. 

On the negative side, Brokeback might prove to the exception that 
proves the rule and where the agonies of its protagonists were 
acceptable, the more upfront story of The Front Runner may not (for 
those unafraid of spoilers a synopsis of the whole story is on the 
website). On the positive side Brad Pitt has reportedly shown 
interest in acting in it! 

For those interested in finding out more about the film and Warren, 
the website has a lot and you can also find Warren's writing on the 
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Fwd: Re: g_b BBM

2006-03-16 Thread Salil



Hi Ketan,The following post of mine never appeared - can u please look into it and allow it to appear ? Thanks in advance !Cheers  SalilSalil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:09:59 + (GMT)From: Salil [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: g_b BBMTo: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.comHi asfan,   Let us not trivialise the topic. The  criticism is not of married gay men. The ciriticism is of anyone who  advises undecided single gay men to go in for a heterosexual marriage  rather than resisting it. The criticism is sharper if the advice comes  from a married gay man - because he should not be asking others to  follow him in the mistake he has already done. The mistake being the  intentional premeditated life-long fraud that he has played on the  bride - again it
 is important to understand that there is no criticism  of gay men who have got married and realise the mistake. The sharp  criticism is for those who find it acceptable to live the lie for  completely selfish reasons and then ad insult to injury by calling it a  loving relationship. The two common refrains are 1) she doesnt notice i  am gay because i love her tenderly (though she wud have got better sex  from a straight guy) (which implies that fraud is ok as long as it is  not found out) and 2) i had to please my conservative parents towards  whom i have a duty (which implies that sacrificing the girl's life is  ok as long as one gets to be in the good books of the parents).Only the most extreme of us have displayed any hate for married gay men  in general - you can call that subset goody two shoes. The rest of us  are simply saying - if u r living a lie, please consider coming out of  it - if you cant, best of luck with it, but in any case please dont ask  more gay men
 to cheat a girl each for life.cheers  salil  asfan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just seen BBM (first day, first show) and thought it to be a good, sensitively made movie. BUT, it   concerns two gay cowboys who marry and then cheat on their wives.In  view of the recent brickbats being thrown at married gays on the GB and  G_B sites by the goody two-shoes, I do hope they voice the same
 concern  and condemn the movie.  Otherwise, it will   show up their hypocrisy. About a year or so ago I had posted on the site that it would be best to leave the married gays alone – they are old enough to know what they are doing. I had also written that given the opportunity the same “goodys” wouldn’t bat an eyelash at having a roll in the hay with them.  I am sure this is going to raise the Irish in quite a few but the truth always   hurts.  Asfan. Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket  Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time.
	

	
		 
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g_b Re: can't we make this sacrifice, to make our parents happy?

2006-03-16 Thread Rajeev
Hi there,
 I was just holding back the thought of gay guys getting 
married to heterosexual girls and couple of things popped up in my 
mind.

Firstly how will the poor girl's reaction be on finding, that her 
husband don't only like her but not even her kind

Secondly I wonder, do these spineless fellow, who so desperately 
seek sympathy out of bachelor gay guys or blame all the hardships of 
they being forced to marry a girl due to family respect, pride, 
conservativeness, tradition and bla bla, don't have enough courage 
to walk out of their family home and start a life on their own and 
challenging their family to love them as they are or forget about it?

Don't you ever guys get worried about ur brother-in-law or son-in-
law being a gay guy, who is living and fooling ur sister and 
daughter in the name of calling themselves societal well beings. I 
wish you bed them before they marry ur sister and daughter or at 
least ur best gay friend should sleep with them, when they are very 
much married to ur  near and dear ones, and then lets see how much  
guilt do you people suffer and bare. Than the bill wud be footed and 
injustice would be gulped down ur throat promptly as you already 
doing so.

In today century, I guess no excuse should be taken or even 
discussed in favour of a gay guy deliberately ruining a girl's life.

That's it,
Rajeev.

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 --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, coolclump coolclump@ wrote:
 
  hi there,
  i've always been a silent spectator of this grp. after reading 
ur 
  reaction for gays marrying straight women, i've a humble 
  comment/doubt to put forth:
  won't it be selfish of us(gays) if we deny getting married? cuz, 
  the majority of the parents of gays are conservative and it's a 
  matter of pride for them to get their sons/daughters married.
 
 Well isn't is selfish to use the woman that way?  
 Doesn't she deserve to be with a man who loves and 
 desires her fully? In your scenario is the woman 
 even to be informed that she's marrying a gay man  
 so that she may have a choice as to whether she 
 wishes to participate or not?  
 
 Besides, why not marry a man that you love and adopt 
 children, if you want a marriage and children?  
 
  and we're here on the earth only because of them. it's our 
parents 
  who've given us an identity. aren't we obliged to go by their 
words 
  as in case of marriage?
 
 If your parents' world view doesn't have a place in 
 it for gays, then they've betrayed you as parents, 
 and you owe them nothing.  
 
  can't we make this sacrifice, 
 
 If you want to sacrifice yourself, that's one thing, 
 and your choice, but if you mean to deceive a woman, 
 then you are sacrificing _her_ in addition, which you 
 have no right to do.  It's clearly immoral!  
 
  to make our parents happy? 
 
 What about your own happiness? We're not our parents' 
 property, and in fact, if anything, the parent's debt 
 to the child is far greater than any the child might 
 have to the parent, for not a single one of us asked 
 to be brought into this world. 
 
 The case could easily be made that our parents should 
 apologize to us for bringing us into the world - so 
 full of pain and suffering as it is - rather than expect 
 gratitude and obedience for that dubious gift.  
 
  and i'm sure gays will definitely have children after marriage. 
  that'll also make our parents happy grandparents na..?
 
 Nobody is entitled to a happiness that must come at the 
 cost of a lie.  
 
 If one must put on such a sham, at least let him find 
 a lesbian who also wants children with whom to set up 
 house, rather than deceive some innocent girl.  
 
  well, this is not my principle or opinion. it's just a small 
doubt 
  that has kept me in conflict for quite a long time. and i just 
  wanna know how other gays 'll respond to this..
 
 I know that for many Indians going against the wishes of 
 our parents can be very difficult, or even unthinkable, 
 but as I've outlined above, that isn't really rational. 
  
  i understand ur point also but would u or anyone substantiate ur 
  point of view?
  
  how'll u tackle a question as this? would u prefer saying-'yes, 
i'm 
  selfish' or 'no, i'll better make my conservative parents 
happy...'
 
 If your parents would rather you live a lie, or even 
 much worse, deceive an innocent fiancee, for the sake 
 of a proper marriage to show around, or grandchildren, 
 then it is _they_ who are selfish and whose values are 
 askew, not you.  
 
 You don't owe that to anybody.  
 
 Even our beloved parents are not entitled to ignore 
 the changing world.  Even our beloved parents may 
 not ask to be exempted from learning to except new 
 ideas. If we love and respect our parents, then why 
 take away from them such opportunities for growth?  
 As for those of our parents who do not want to learn 
 and grow, do they really deserve our respect for 

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Re: g_b Re: can't we make this sacrifice, to make our parents happy?

2006-03-16 Thread Sumeet Mehra



Hi Utkarsh!Well said. But hey buddy, can you tell me definition of strength and courage. You dont want to marry because you think you cant make it with females.In life many people make small and big achievements. Can you tell me what are achievements? To achieve something uncommon or unusual. You want to give up because you dont want to fight. Have you heard of a woman who gaveupin the mid way of giving birth to a child because of the labor pain she felt. Certainly not. So thats courage, which you lack. I am forced to use this statement.A woman when she concieves for first time has only heard of pain but never felt it. If even women think like you then you would not be on this earth.There are manyother examples like this.   Just look around. But you dont want to fight. You want to talk to your parents, but have you everspoken with yourself? You have belief on them but you
 lack same belief in yourself. Its not about making people understand what you are, but making yourself realise what you can be.   Those who dont have courage can never win a war. And life is like a war at ever step. Even Arjun thought he could not fightbut he did because Krishna was with him.Unless you dont, how will you know that God is with you. We face in life many times such challenges that we never thought of. We dont think that time, what if we loose? We try all our best. Thats what we are suppose to do.I believe in putting my best efforts to make a relation grow and thenits growth is my achievement. But a frog of well can never know about ocean. Come out of the well, to know. Life is difficult but not that one cant beat it. You surely lack fighting spirit. from  Sumeet.utkarsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Just want to add something to this discussion -Do not make assumptions on behalf of your parents. The key to anyhealthy relationship is communication and this holds true for everykind of relationship. Our parents assume that we will be happy marriedto a nice girl and they act on this assumption. We on the other handassume that if we ever told our parents about our sexual orientation,they will die of grief and their lives will be destroyed. Now if onlywe work up enough ourage and talk to them about our problem and why wecan not marry, things might work out in a different manner.We have to let them know what will make us happy and then leave thedecision of whether marriage to a girl do the same on them. Ourparents have not brought us up so that we keep mum when it's mostimportant to speak up and destroy so many lives. Believe me no matterhow
 conservative, they will always love you. You have to let them knowabout the true you.Once again, marrying is not a solution, but the beginning of a verybig lifelong problem. No matter what Sumeet and the likes of him say,I'd say stay away from marriage. it is not easy; I am stillcontemplating how to come out to my parents; but I am sure about onething, that I will not marry. This life is too precious to while awayregretting and living with a guilty conscience.Courage to strengthen! --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Sonub Jalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:sweetheart...i love my parents. they are the most important people in my life and their happiness means the whole world to me. but that does not give me the right to trap a girl into a "marriage" i am completetly disinterested in. it would mean either living my whole life against my instints devoid of passion and true love or cheating on her. i would rather go through this
 period of pain for my parents and me, be there for them, wait for them to come to terms with my true nature and take it from there on.the two options you have concluded your mail with arent really the only two options available to gay men. your outlook only belies your lack of courage to face the challenges you are up against. and by no means am i saying the challenges you and i have to face as gay men are trivial. but they are our challenges that we have to face...call it karma...call it a blessing...call it a curse. those of us who come out of it with are wits about us will live. the other wimps will be advising hapless youngsters on how to get a hard on with women so that they may fulfill their parents desperate superficial dreams...against their true nature and leading everyone involved into perpetual despair.coolclump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi there, i've always been a silent spectator of this grp. after reading ur reaction for gays marrying straight
 women, i've a humble comment/doubt to put forth: won't it be selfish of us(gays) if we deny getting married? cuz, the majority of the parents of gays are conservative and it's a matter of pride for them to get their sons/daughters married.and we're here on the earth only because of them. it's our parents who've given us an identity. aren't we obliged to go by their words as in case of marriage?can't we make this sacrifice, to make our parents happy? and i'm sure gays will definitely have children after 

g_b This is no more just my view point but now even others agree

2006-03-16 Thread Sumeet Mehra



Hey Guys!Thanks Angel!Guys who agree or disagree with me, just go and watch broke back moutain.  In this movie there is gay couple who after departing from each other get married to female. Both have kids. They both are living very responsible lives, asahusband and even as afather. Then after 4 years the guys happen to meet again. They again enter into realation, without their woman knowing it. But one guy's female come to know and after some years she breaks the relation. But the other guy's female is not aware and so she is happy with his man. This is no morejust my view point but noweven othersagree. Look guys if you want to marry...go ahead. If you dont want to then don't, but dont give lame excuse that you cant spoil any girls life. You are by no means God that you can make any one's life good or bad. Stop treating your self as God.
 Why stick on to just oneidentify as Gay when one is not gay for all 24hrs? Like woman even man is a son, brother, father, husband, so what if one more thing added gay. I think we can fulfill all relations properly. I dont say one must ignore family. Yes family comes first. But when you want to live for yourself for a while in a day, which everyone does, do whatever you like. Thats where I think we make a difference. So guys just by carrying a bit difference in our preference of sex, why do we want to run away from our social as well as family responsibilty. Cheers!  Sumeet.  Android Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey Summet,I can very well understand what you mean to say. Some of the members here confusing
 keeping secret as cheating. But then they fail to understand what indian culture means so far still in some families where family values don't see personal space destroying them.Also I have become a fan of ur thought process ( no sympathy or surrender). At least I will look forward to ur mails without skipping them for any topics u post it.AngelSumeet Mehra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey Sonub!I clearly mentioned that its my point of view. Again the man was in need of help. I tried helping him the way I felt appropriate. What have you helped him with? I have certainly not made you my judge. Again I dont require you consent to be in this list.For guys like you is easy to say. Its rightly said "Its easy
 to be brave from far."  You are just behaving like a spectator. Want to see how the person is getting destroyed. None of you guys can lend a helping hand to those guys like him.Have you ever thought why guys marry?  and, Why gays marry?No gay marry's willingly.You might be having different family atmosphere and might be from broad minded society. And if you are from conservative family, as you mentioned, then you are very selfish.And again being a gay what big achievement have you made? Increased the list of guys with whom you got around, at cost of your parents health,who havegiving you birth and made you capable enoughto stand on your feet and oppose them?"For those of you who are married...you can spend the rest of your life "adjusting"and "rubbing your wife's cheeks" or acknowledge the clossal mistake you have
 made and go your separate ways. Acknowledge thatyou are "not a perfect husband like heteros" and a hetro is what any straight woman deserves, while you are respnsible for denying her that."Adjustment is part of every one's life. We all have to adjust in every walk of life, be it work field, family, friends so what big deal if its marriage. Every one is doing that. Even hetros have to do. For yourand others information: woman have more sexual desire than man. Thus even hetros find it diffucult in satisfying woman.   “A woman's appetite is twice that of a man's; her sexual desire, four times; her intelligence, eight times”But anyways why am I banging my head with you? To who ever I wanted to help, its reached. Even other guys have liked my advise. I am not concerned with guys like you. Your attitude is very selfish. You just think about your self. Infact I have found people like you in this group.You'll live in fantasies. You'll have just one thing to say "How can you spoil a girl's life?" But its what you feel. Your point of view.  Unlike hetros we dont have mutiple females. One woman one life. More dedicated towards her. Atleast we have a family. Because Nature's rule-man and woman only can give birth to a child, no two gays/lesbains can ever give birth to a child. This truth no one can deny.One side you show you dont want to spoil any girl's life and other side what are you doing with your parents? Actually you dont want to marrya girl because then you will be deprived from your freedom of having sex with guys. You are actually not concerned neitherwith your parents nor with anyone else. Its only to show world how good you are and what good thoughts you have. Because if you would be really concerned and responsible then you would certainly not let your parentsbe in misery, as you 

Re: g_b Fear Factor Hunks

2006-03-16 Thread Tintin Mumbai India
Yes,
I also watched the show.
The 3rd guy (who was eliminated in the last) is AMIT SARIN.
Though, seeing him on TV in SAAS BAHU soaps, I never imagined that he
has such a nice body... but yes...
He has a very very nice body.
And.. His Packet was best among all 3 (Sorry dont know about Mukul
Dev, as he did not strip). [Moderator may censor this line, if
needed.]
Abhay.


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 Hi,

 I was surfing channels yesterday and came across
 SONY's Fear Factor Show. There were three guys - Model
 Chetan Hansraj, TV actor Rohit Roy, and one more guys
 from the TV shows.

 What surprised me was that these guys stripped down to
 their small swim suits and undies for nearly every
 stunt. Chetan to his print swim trunks for one, purple
 ones for another and his black boxer briefs for one.
 And the other TV chap also went the same way. Coudnt
 catch Rohit coz he got eliminated the first time
 around.

 Did anybody else catch it?

 SET Feat Factor has one more dedicated viewer now :o)

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g_b In reiteration of Aditya's Gist of the long brawl on married gits

2006-03-16 Thread utkarsh
First of all, Aditya that was a hell of a good read!... and very much
true. I love your writing style!

Now to the point... I have come across many messages from the group by
people that have a lesser understanding of the english language - this
is for them; i.e. a simplification of what Aditya wrote in my own
words which are more straight forward because I could never be that
eloquent even if I tried... once again, hats off to you Aditya!

And the Lord said:

Don't have sex or sexual relations behind the back of your wife
because it is simply adultery and a nasty thing to do... if you really
must, then your wife has EVERY GOD DAMN FUCKING RIGHT to be told about
it (and then make a decision and stand on the issue for herself)!!!
Hiding something like this is criminal... Period.

If you're not married but on the threshold of it - tell that girl
about your inclinations and don't (I repeat myself) DO NOT HIDE IT
FROM HER!!! That simply amounts to LYING by OMISSION and LYING IS A
BAD THING!!! Period.

It never stops amazing me at exactly how good people are at justifying
their sins. If people were more honest (that is not to say blunt
and/or TACTLESS - just more honest) then this world would be a much
better place.

Finally - tact... TACT does NOT equate with OMISSION of the truth! It
only means that you will phrase your confession in a way that the
other person will hear it instead of fainting dead away.

GOT IT?

(Really, it REALLY amazes me at how people justify wrong-doing with
absolute bullshit! GROW UP guys, stand up and be just and good, don't
give in to the temptation of sparing your dignity. Stand up and face
the possiblity of criticism and possibly insult like a Man! That is
called good Karma!)

Anyhow, I could rant and rave and pontificate into the next millenium
on this topic so I'll apply the brakes now and say my Al vida's...

Bye for now y'all!
Cheers!
(Grow up losers!)



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 Darlings all,
 
 Here is the gist of the long brawl. The intention is bipartisan, but me
 being me, I shall take editorial priviledge and beat up a few gits
on the
 side. Love you all, including the loveless fuckers.
 1] Everyone [gay, straight, bi, and everything before, after and
in-between]
 has the right to decide for themselves and themselves only, and no
one can
 judge another, provided:
 
 2] What one decides is honest, upfront, ethical, undeceitful,
undeceiving,
 and does not hurt another or take him/her for a ride; therefore:
 
 3] Every gay man has a right to get married, provided he tells the
wife to
 be that he is gay, so that she can take an independent and informed
decision
 about whether to get married to the gayboy or not; or in the
alternative:
 
 4] If he thinks that he cannot tell the wife to be, then he should
not get
 married; however:
 
 5] If he just happens to be gutless, spineless, lacking family
jewels, and
 rather doormatty before domineering parents who want him to get
married for
 whatever reason, he should try and first develop gut, spine, and family
 jewels, before taking any decisions, for he really is not an
'everyone' yet
 [as defined by gist # 1 above], but is actually just a doormat and
therefore
 does not have the priviledge to decide; Over and above the dictum on
honesty
 etc. one of the important signs of having developed gut, spine, and
family
 jewels is to be able to tell papa and mama to back off [or is it fuck
 of..??] and not be unduly bothered about the important question of being
 left out of the family silvers; yet:
 
 6] Should he illegitimately usurp such a priledge of decicion making [as
 preserved for everyone but doormats] and decide to get married, without
 letting wifey-to-be know about his actual predelictions, hoping in the
 process that he can keep up the pretence of married heterosexual
life while
 bonking or being bonked on the side by other guys [maybe even
keeping the
 bonkboys in the dark about the wife decorating the lodgings back there],
 then he is in clear violation of gist # 2 above [i.e. about honesty
etc.]
 and therefore can be judged as per the exeption provisio to gist # 1
above.
 [Editor's judgement: he is a rascal of the highest order, and should
be held
 in spite and contempt by all decent human beings. Abusing suchlike
people
 withing the bounds of moderation policies of elists is a solelm
duty]; but
 then:
 
 7] What about those that were already married before they
'discovered' their
 true nature. Well, gist # 2 above applies to them and their remedy
lies in
 follwing its dictum. If they feel incapable of doing so, then they
should
 try and adopt the remedy prescribed in the first line of gist # 5
[i.e. they
 should try and develop gut, spine, and family jewels to be empowered to
 follow gist # 2]. They naturally should be allowed a reasonable time to
 exercise this, and till then they should refrain from side
piccadellos. That
 way the wife is not practically cheated, 

g_b Re: gb A local meet around Thane ?

2006-03-16 Thread Manoj



Hi AllThe response frm across is real encouraging on this.The area in and around Thane station is , for 1, damn crowded and affords little space to sit and talk-- ditto talao pali area.At Thane i wud suggest meeting at Barista/cafe day at Panchpakhadi area --its a 2 min rickshaw ride by auto and cool place.Alternatively we cud meet at Nirmal Lifestyles at Mulund -- a far better place as such with enuff place and options which i wud really prefer -- if ppl find it convenient to come there i mean.Do drop in a line so we can firm up for a meet this Sunday at 6 pm-- LETS ROCK ! CheersManoj.Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 





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g_b The strength of a man ...(missing it is absolute sin!) Marvellous!

2006-03-16 Thread RAJEEV
The strength of a man ...
 
 
The strength of a man isn't seen in the width of his
shoulders.
It's seen in the width of his arms that circle you.
 
 The strength of a man isn't in the deep tone of his
voice.
It's in the gentle words he whispers.
 
The strength of a man isn't how many buddies he has.
It's how good a buddy he is with his kids.
 
The strength of a man isn't in how respected he is at
work.
It's in how respected he is at home.
 
The strength of a man isn't in how hard he hits.
It's in how tender he touches.
 
The strength of a man isn't in the hair on his chest.
It's in his Heart... that lies within his chest.
 
The strength of a man isn't how many women he's loved.
It's in how he can be true to one woman.
 
The strength of a man isn't in the weight he can lift.
It's in the burdens he can carry

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