g_b A drag queen novel in paperback
The second gay novel in my Tinseltown Trilogy has come out in paperback. Check the blurb out to see if it's your Hollywood drag queen cup of tea, in general fiction, at http://stonegarden.net/ Stone Garden Publishing now has a flat fee for all international shipping. Peter
g_b Re: Hugs and Kisses
What a DELIGHTFUL set of pictures !
g_b a new excerpt from my gay novel in ebook
It's at my blogspot that I just updated just now, yay!, and that's at: http://peterjosephswanson.blogspot.com/ It looks so nice there - with a picture to help set the scene. The whole gay novel (and a blurb and another very gay excerpt) is at: http://www.chippewapublishing.com/ (click on the book cover to make things happen) Yay for gay novels in ebook!!! Peter.
g_b Re: It happens in US also
Don't try it in an airport toilet (even if you aren't a Republican Senator). Those places are well monitored. How could the Senator be so stupid. He deserved being caught - being so anti-gay in his legislation!!! Good riddance to the jerk. --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, azhagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New item in Times of india dated August 29, 2007 'Gay US Senator trips in Toilet' Millions of people have just learnt that tapping the right foot twice while sitting in a public loo is an universal signal among gays soliciting sex after a US Senator was arrested and charged for misdemeanor for that lewd conduct Senator Larry Craig, a conservative Republican from Idaho, was in public restroom at Minneapolls-St Paul International Airport on June 11 when he began his foot tapping antics.Unfortunately for him, the stall next to him was occupied by a plain clothes cop involved in a sting operation to track illicit sexual activities in public toilets. The arresting officer alleged that Craig had first lingered outside the stall. then entered the stall next door. The 62 year old Senator tapped his right foot which the officer said he recognised 'as a signal used by persons whishing to engage in lewd conduct The report alleges Craig then touched the officer's foot with his foot and then senator proceeded to swipe his hand under the stall divider several times At that point the officer said he put his police identification down by the floor so Craig could see it and informed the senator that he was under arrest. Craig subsequntly pled guilty to misdemeanour didisorderly conduct charge in municipal court on August 8 and paid a $500 fine while a 10 day jail snetence was suspended. MY Comments Gays soliciting sex in public loo is an universal Phenomena Azhagi
Re: g_b can i be infected with HIV if suck penis and drink the semen
Yes, it is possible. Stomach acid will probably kill the virus but what if you have a slight cut in your mouth or throat? --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, deep mehra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would like to know the answer to this question too Blore Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am a bottom gay can i be infected with HIV if suck penis and drink the semen lgbtindiagroup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I get HIV from anal sex? Yes. In fact, unprotected (without a condom) anal sex (intercourse) is considered to be very risky behavior. It is possible for either sex partner to become infected with HIV during anal sex. HIV can be found in the blood, semen, pre-seminal fluid, or vaginal fluid of a person infected with the virus. In general, the person receiving the semen is at greater risk of getting HIV because the lining of the rectum is thin and may allow the virus to enter the body during anal sex. However, a person who inserts his penis into an infected partner also is at risk because HIV can enter through the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or through small cuts, abrasions, or open sores on the penis. Not having (abstaining from) sex is the most effective way to avoid HIV. If people choose to have anal sex, they should use a latex condom. Most of the time, condoms work well. However, condoms are more likely to break during anal sex than during vaginal sex. Thus, even with a condom, anal sex can be risky. A person should use generous amounts of water-based lubricant in addition to the condom to reduce the chances of the condom breaking. ** Anal sex is stimulation of the anus during sexual activity. It can be done in several different ways: manually, orally or by anal intercourse. Anal sex can be the primary form of sexual activity or it can accompany other types of stimulation. For instance, couples sometimes include manual stimulation of the anus (either lightly rubbing the rim or inserting a finger into the anus) during vaginal intercourse. Others use the tongue in a similar fashion for oral stimulation. Anal intercourse is the insertion of a man's penis into his partner's rectum. Although anal sex is often thought of as a strictly homosexual activity, many heterosexual couples enjoy it too. Anal penetration can be pleasurable, but it can also be a source of physical discomfort. The muscle on the outside of the rectum, called the anal sphincter, ordinarily tightens if stimulated, which means that attempts at insertion of the penis, or even a finger, may be uncomfortable even if done slowly and gently. If penetration into the anus is forced, injury is possible. It is helpful to use a lubricant liberally and to relax and gradually dilate the sphincter by gentle manual stimulation before attempting penetration. Some people clear the rectum with a small disposable enema before anal intercourse. Because the rectum contains infection causing bacteria, anything (fingers, objects, penis) that has had contact with the anus should not subsequently be in contact with the vagina or mouth until it has been thoroughly washed. Strong Negative Attitudes Some people have strong negative attitudes toward anal sex, whether it takes place between homosexual or heterosexual couples. They may think of it as being unclean, unnatural, perverted, disgusting, or simply unappealing. It is sometimes regarded as the ultimate in depravity and has regularly been condemned by religious and secular authorities. Historically, religious objections originate from the fact that a woman cannot possibly get pregnant through anal sex, as some religions only approved of sexual intercourse for the purpose of reproduction. Anal sex is subject to legal restrictions in some states, even between married couples. In general these statutes refer to anal sex acts as crimes against nature, going back to the view that heterosexual intercourse, with its reproductive potential, is the only natural, healthy, non-sinful way of having sexual relations. These laws are strongly biased toward the prosecution of homosexuals because penetrative anal sex is far more common among gay men than it is among heterosexual couples. A Legitimate Form of Sexual Expression Despite religious and legal prohibitions to anal sex, many people, regardless of their sexual orientation, regard it as a legitimate form of sexual expression and as one of the fulfilling ways in which people can express their desire and affection for each other. It is up to each couple to decide what is acceptable and enjoyable for them. If a couple's attitudes or values make anal sex unacceptable, or if they do not enjoy it, they should feel no pressure to engage in it. It is important to note that HIV, the virus causing
g_b my very gay drag queen ebook novel is out.
It's about time. I wrote the first draft in 1984 (so it takes place then - ha ha). What year is it now? It's funny how if you live long enough you can accidentally write historical fiction! Ah! Hidden River by Peter Joseph Swanson http://www.chippewapublishing.com/ It's so gay, so cool, and so 1984! When you go to the publisher, click on the book cover and it will take you to an excerpt.
g_b Re: London Gay Pride Parade
Thank you for that moving account. I read about it in the news - in regards to that it wasn't cancelled due to the new terror threats. I bet religious extremists would have loved to blow that one up. Well TOO BAD religious extremists! We AIN'T going away ... NO MATTER WHAT! (where are we going to go?) Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The London Gay Parade. I moved to London last Thursday to pursue my further education and I am already loving this place. I was lucky that the very next Saturday after I reached was the Gay Pride Parade day. I had heard a lot about the parade so I headed straight to the Baker street to have fun. When I reached the parade was just starting and I was at the rear end, so I walked fast to close to the Trafalgar Square and found a nice spot to see the parade. The whole experience was overwhelming! I had never seen so many gay men and women together. There were thousands of men and women having a great time being themselves. There were men dresses in drag, skimpy red undies, traditional Asian clothes and many more. Every one was smiling and having a great time. What actually surprised me was the participation of various public authorities. There were buses of gay men and lesbian working for the Mayor of London, London Police, Royal Navy, Royal Air force, National health system, fire brigade etc. There were companies like Braclays with all the men dressed in skirts with makeup. Many organisation like Naaz, Older gay and Lesbians association, gay doctors and dentists association also had nice colourful buses and banners. There were men and women in all sizes and shapes, young, juicy, beefy, old, frail, wheel chaired, handicap, fat, kinky, sexy, colourfull . There were hundreds of spectators standing by the foot path and cheering everyone and so were by passers with mixed reactions. Many of them were enjoying the whole bang while only a few looked a bit agitated. The parade happens in the centre of the London for which all the main roads are completely closed. It terminated in the famous Trafalgar Square where there was a music concert organised. All the organisations who participated had stalls in the Square giving away the brochures and information leaflets. It was amazing to see that the whole of the square was turned in to a gay village where everyone was having party. I wept at the end, I was feeling so sorry that we in India can never be so out and free. Back home I cant even introduce by boy friend to anyone, he has to be a close friend only. I wish one day we shall all be free to express our self in our home land. Unfortunately I had not carried my camera otherwise I would have shown you some pics. Love G
g_b a silly drag queen joke
A fabulous drag queen went into the Bank of Canada one day, carrying a bag of money. She insisted that she must speak with the president of the bank to open a savings account because, It's a lot of money! After much hemming and hawing, the bank staff finally ushered her into the president's office. The bank president then asked her how much she would like to deposit. She replied, $165,000! and dumped the cash out of her bag onto his desk. The president was of course curious as to how she came by all this cash, so he asked her, Madam, I'm surprised you're carrying so much cash around. Where did you get this money? The drag queen replied, I make bets. The president then asked, Bets? What kind of bets? The drag queen said, Well, for example, I'll bet you $25,000 that your balls are square. The president laughs, That's a stupid bet. You can never win that kind of bet! The drag queen challenged, So, would you like to take my bet? The president agrees, Sure, I'll bet $25,000 that my balls aren't square! The drag queen then said, Okay, but since there is a lot of money involved, may I bring my lawyer with me tomorrow at 10am as a witness? Sure! replied the confident president. That night, the president got very nervous about the bet and spent a long time in front of a mirror checking his balls, turning from side to side, again and again. He thoroughly checked them out until he was sure that there was absolutely no way his balls were square and that he would win the bet. The next morning, at precisely 10am, the drag queen appeared with her lawyer at the president's office. She introduced the lawyer to the president and repeated the bet $25,000 says the president's balls are square! The president agreed with the bet again and the drag queen asked him to drop his pants so they could all see. The president complied. The drag queen peered closely at his balls and then asked if she could feel them. Well, Okay, said the president, $25,000 is a lot of money, so I guess you should be absolutely sure. She felt them very carefully rolling them again and again through her fingers, and they felt very round. Just then, he noticed that the lawyer was quietly banging his head against the wall. The president asked the drag queen, What the hell's the matter with your lawyer? She replied, Nothing, except I bet him $100,000 that at 10am today I'd have The Bank of Canada's president's balls in my hand. She pulled off her wig and laughed.
g_b a silly gay joke - ha ha ha
A gay couple had been partnered for 25 years and was celebrating the 60th birthday of one of them. During the party, a fairy appeared and said that because they had been such a loving couple all those years, she would give them one wish each. The one who was giving the party said, We've blown all our money on parties and fine dining and decorating this house, I've never gotten to see the world. I wish we could travel all over the world. The fairy waved her wand and POOF! He had the tickets in his hand. Next, it was the birthday boy's turn. He paused for a moment, and then with a sly grin said, Well, I'd like a boyfriend 30 years younger than me. The fairy waved her wand and POOF! He was 90.
g_b Re: New poll for gay_bombay
If you can be born again then the rest is just details details details. If I come back gay I hope the world has changed, by then, A LOT!!! If I come back straight I hope I'm not a jerk. It would be nice to have some money, for a change. Gay or straight, life is a lot easier when you have money! ha ha ~ (but wanting money doesn't sound very spiritual does it, now. Oh well.) Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com wrote: Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the gay_bombay group: Would you like to be born a gay again in your next birth? o Yes o No To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/surveys?id=12594205 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!
g_b Re: viraf's blog
How sad that he died. Thank you for this link so his memory can live on for a while longer! --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, lgbtindiagroup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: courtesy gb === Re: Viraf I forgot to write in my first post on Viraf that this is the link to his blog which gives a good idea of his personality and interests: http://www.f-cubed.blogspot.com/ I wonder what the protocol for noting the death of a blogger is? Since I doubt anyone knows Viraf's password I don't think the blog could be altered to note the blogger's death, and since its a free site it will sit around as long as blogspot is in existence. Perhaps we could use the last comments section as a place to write a few words about Viraf. The Talking Closets blog has a good entry on Viraf: http://talkingclosets.blogspot.com/
g_b Hell
HELL EXPLAINED BY CHEMISTRY STUDENT The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid term. The answer by one student was so profound that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well : Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following: First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities: 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell,then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you, and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct. .leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting Oh my God. THIS STUDENT RECEIVED AN A+.
g_b Re: Gay Inmates to Get Conjugal Visits in California
This one sounds funny on the surface because so many people think that gay people have daily orgies in prison and wouldn't need that. But on a serious note, it shows that being gay isn't just sex. Gay people have relationships and partners like anybody else. It certainly is one step closer to gay marriage in the U.S. I bet the right wing got really made about that one - ha ha. --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, asfan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: June 3, 2007 Gay Inmates to Get Conjugal Visits in California By JESSE McKINLEY SAN FRANCISCO, June 1 Gay and lesbian prisoners in California will be allowed overnight visits with their partners under a new prison policy, believed to be the first time a state has allowed same- sex conjugal stays. The policy comes more than two years after a 2003 California law provided equal rights for registered domestic partners in California, including those of the same sex and non-married heterosexuals. Gay and civil rights groups had threatened to sue to permit the conjugal visits in prisons, which they say have been slow to enact changes promised by the law. It's a little troubling that a state agency had to be threatened with legal action to obey state law, said Geoff Kors, the executive director of Equality California, a gay rights organization. There was no justifiable excuse for not complying. Terry Thornton, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, said the slow pace of change was due, in part, to considerations of whether allowing the visits would expose gay inmates to danger inside the prison, where they are sometimes singled out for attack. We had to thoroughly evaluate all the security concerns, Ms. Thornton said. The policy change was spurred by a letter warning of legal action from the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of Vernon Foeller, 40, a gay man who had been serving a 20-month sentence for attempted burglary at the state prison in Vacaville, Calif. Alex Cleghorn, an AC.L.U. lawyer, said that Mr. Foeller was eligible for a conjugal visit except that the prison system didn't recognize his partner as a family member. They have pages and pages of regulations that must be met to permit these visits, Mr. Cleghorn said, and Vernon met all of these requirements. Mr. Foeller was released in April. Overnight visits, which can be up to 72 hours long, have been allowed in California since the 1970s, Ms. Thornton said, and are conducted in units inside prison grounds, often trailers. While suggestive of sexual activity, the visits sometimes include several family members, including children. It's not exclusive to conjugal activities, Ms. Thornton said. Gay and lesbian inmates were not allowed visits from their partners because only spouses were recognized as immediate family. Several categories of inmate are not allowed the visits, including those on death row, sex offenders, those serving sentences of life without parole, and those who have been violent with minors or family members. Prisoners also must have been on good behavior, with no violations. The new policy will allow only those currently registered as domestic partners to ask for the visits, and affirms that no prisoners will be allowed overnight visits with other prisoners, regardless of status. Only a handful of states including New York allow conjugal visits, which some prison officials say can help reduce the stress of prison life and maintain prisoners' connections to their families. Critics, however, have cited a variety of reasons to oppose the visits, including the potential for spreading sexually transmitted diseases and the additional cost of maintaining separate conjugal prison quarters. Shannon Minter, the legal director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights in San Francisco, called the policy change a great leap forward but said gay and lesbian inmates were often still the target of discrimination and violence. There are certain social arenas that have been insulated from social changes going on in broader society, and jails and prisons is one of those areas, Mr. Minter said. California has a ban on same-sex marriage, although that law has been the subject of legal battles. The California Supreme Court is currently reviewing the law's constitutionality as part of a suit brought by the City of San Francisco and a group of gay and lesbian couples. The policy change must be approved by the state's Office of Administrative Law before taking effect, most likely later this year. - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
g_b more homos
No, I did not write this - I usually COMMIT the crime of homophones (I call them catch fools). If you have the time to read it, it's pretty funny (IF you're a word nerd like me): Zirconia and LC: A Twisted Homophonic Fairy/Ferry Tail/Tale by Joanne Huspek Once [upon/up on] a [time/thyme], [in/inn] a land far, far [away/aweigh,] lived a people [inn/in] a big orange [base/bass.] It was [island/aisle land] like [in/inn] nature. [Let us/Lettuce] say, it wasn't Northern Ireland, [butt/but] it was pretty close. The cat lovers didn't like the dog lovers, and [no/know] [won/one] liked frogs [ore/or] hamsters. Skirmishes [a rose/arose]. Terrorists [blew/blue] up every other Otto/auto on the street. Mothers cried and fathers were [scent/cent/sent] [too/to/two] war. The children were stuck [inn/in] the center of this conflict. [In/Inn] fluttered a butterfly. She was somewhat glittery [butt/but] lacked substance and tangibility. Her name was Zirconia. She did possess a bitching [butt/but,] though, and showed it off [too/two/to] anyone [hoo/who] [wood/would] look. [No/Know] [one/won] liked [to/two/too] see [close/clothes] ups of [buts/butts], [so/sew] her arrival was [not/knot] well received. Zirconia had a hard [time/thyme] making friends, [hairier/harrier] than most of the dog/cat/frog/hamster lovers. Could it [be/bee] that she thought she was [too/to/two] good [for/four/fore] the other residents of the land? [To/Two/Too] pretty? [Two/To/Too] smart? Many [times/thymes], words [wood/would] spew [forth/fourth] from her mouth [which/witch] were hurtful. She did [knot/not] [know/no] she was being this [weigh/way]; she was unschooled [inn/in] proper interpersonal skills. A lab-coated technician (LC) decided [he/hee] [would/wood] like [two/too/to] befriend the glittery gal. She was just [too/to/two] pretty [to/two/too] pass up. [He/Hee] said, [I/Eye] have [access/excess] [to/two/too] this top secret project. [It's/Its] a [new/knew] software [witch/which] can manufacture people. [You/Ewe] [do/due] [not/knot] [need/kneed] [to/too/two] try [too/to/two] make friends [hear/here] [inn/in] the orange [island/aisle land] anymore. [I/Eye] will make lots of friends [for/four] [you/ewe]! Zirconia was [so/sew] ecstatic, she started [two/too/to] dance and glow. LC couldn't believe his good luck! [So/sew] [he/hee] shared [more/moor] of the secrets [he/hee] had invented [inn/in] the lab. [I/Eye] also have another cool program! [hee/he] [balled/bawled]. [I/Eye] can also throw the evil flag on [your/you're] enemies without [you're/your] being [around/a round]! [What/watt] a cool idea! [To/Two/Too] this, Zirconia flicked her [hair/heir] back and batted her [blew/blue] [eyes/Is]. [I/Eye] am [so/sew] happy, [Eye/I] will give [ewe/you] a kiss! As she kissed him, LC began [two/too/to] melt [into/in to] the [walk/wok]. [Hey/Hay!] [What's/Watts] up? she [wailed/whaled.] [Too/Two/To] bad she did [knot/not] [know/no]. A kiss is the only thing that could fell a LC. Moral: [Before/Be for] you kiss someone [in/inn] a lab coat, [due/do] the [write/right] thing and fly [away/aweigh], little butterfly.
g_b Re: No God or Know God? - and, why god doesn't want to meet peter
Anybody here would rather give God a bear hug? Am I the only one who has complaints? ha ha Peter (my nose is more fragile than his) --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, edwardxderwent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Peter Joseph Swanson peterswansonmpls@ wrote: Peter (who wants to meet God so I can punch Him in the nose!) haha!! peter - god doesn't want to meet you. he's been punched on the nose before and certainly doesn't want to be punched again, hence he avoids u. kenni
g_b Re: Great Shots.....
What stunning beauty! I felt a warm glow. Thank you for transforming me to such beauty from my computer chair (and it's cold and rainy outside, here, in Minnesota, yuck!!!)! --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, ~~SHWETA~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunrise view from Kayaloram Lake Resort,Alleppey. Photo : Binoy C. Pollail, Alleppey. This reflection shot was taken from the backwaters of Allapuzha. Photo : Ilayaraja V, Chennai-37 A misty evening in Munnar. Photo : Sujith, U.A.E. Snap from Fujairah. Photo : Jayan Arackal, Abu Dhabi. Morning Walk. Photo : Jyothiraj.N , Kollam Wild Elephant Family in Munnar. Photo : Antony Kolanchery, Dubai Alleppey town canal Kerala. Photo : Shabeer a b m, Alappuzha Swimming gracefully. Photo : Priya Mathew, UK Alps Mountains. Photo : Lijo C Jacob, Nigeria Grizzly Bears. Photo : Sudhi, Canada Cute ducks swimming. Photo : Krishna Kumar Potty - Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution! SHWETA - Download prohibited? No problem! CHAT from any browser, without download.
g_b Re: No God or Know God?
That is all that keeps things moving alive Oh. I thought that was MONEY. Ha-ha. Just joking. An INTERESTING read! Peter (who wants to meet God so I can punch Him in the nose!) --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Love is Life [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * No God or Know God?* **An atheist professor of philosophy* speaks to his class on the problem Science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new students to stand and. Prof: *So you believe in God*? Student: *Absolutely, sir*. Prof: Is God good? Student: Sure. Prof: Is God all-powerful? Student: Yes. Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student is silent.) Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good? Student: Yes. Prof:* Is Satan good* ? Student: No. Prof: Where does Satan come from? Student: From...God.. . Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world? Student: Yes. Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct? Student: Yes. Prof: So who created evil? (*Student does not answer.* ) Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they? Student: Yes, sir. Prof: So, who created them? (* Student has no answer*.) Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God? Student: No, sir. Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God? Student: No, sir. Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter? Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't. Prof: *Yet you still believe in Him* ? Student: Yes. Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Student: Nothing. I only have my faith. Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has. Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat? Prof: Yes. Student: And is there such a thing as cold? Prof: Yes. Student: No sir. There isn't. (*The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events *.) Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, But we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it. (*There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre* .) Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness? Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness? Student: You're wrong again, sir. *Darkness is the absence of something*. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing lightBut if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you? Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man? Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed. Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how? Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey? Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do. Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.) Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (*The class is in uproar* .) Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.) Student: Is there anyone here who has ever
Re: g_b Hi Mark !! am always thinking of suicide
That made we weep a bit. THANK YOU for posting it. It didn't have any answers ... but it had hope!, and that's all you usually get in life. HOPE. Bless you. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Carmen Baez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all: I am a straight female from a puerto rican family. Mark, I am going to tell you about my brother who is gay. As you may or may not know the latino culture is full of machismo, and very very catholic. My brother is one of 7 sons my father has, and six daughters. My father expected his all of his children to grow up and have families, hard working , honest , family men, what he deemed to be the natural order of things. Everyone thought there was something wrong with my brother mentally, they never ever suspected or contemplated that he was homosexual. They thought he was and treated him as though he was mentally impaired . My brother did not act feminine or anything like that I dont even think he knew he was gay for a long time. It was just unheard of in our culture. Well to get to the point , I think you under estimate your family, because as my brother became a man and became aware of who he was he met a gentlemen and began a secret relationship and it was as if a flower where flourishing, my brother was no longer acting like the person who was mentally impaired, he became the kind of man my father wanted him to be. My brother started a home with this man, (they have no children ) but they are happy. And although my brother never actually came out to our family everyone is just happy that he is happy, and I personally heard my father say in a private moment to my mother, i dont agree with my sons lifestyle but i am glad he is happy, he is a good son, a good brother and a good man my father only wished he would have children. My father was proud of my brother till the day he died. My brother and his companion of 16 years where at my dads funeral together. So dont under estimate those who love you. and never ever think you have the right to take the life that god and your parents gave to you. asfan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joy, It may be difficult, but not impossible, to say no to marriage. There are hundreds of us who are still in the closet yet still unmarried. I am 67 yo and still unmarried. When my mother was insisting I get married (my father had died while I was still studying) I would just say I didn't want to get married and give no reason for saying so. Of course, she died disappointed but I think it was all for the better. You have only relatives to contend with. Which would make things easier. Also, your staying abroad makes it easier. I am sure that if you have patience and wait you may meet someone of your liking. As for contemplating suicide, FORGET IT. Immerse yourself in your work. Go out and meet friends. Or take the help of a counselor. Suicide is not the answer. Be brave and face the world. You won't be the first and you won't be the last!! Wishing you all the best, Asfan. joy bs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mark, Your ideas are so nice, i am 34 yo, and fighting against marriege. I am working in DXB and came back to India for a short veccation. But i feel i didn't want this veccation and feel to go back to work. I have no parents, i am still alone, all my sisters got married and living separate. Now my relatieves and friends are trying for my marriege. Its make my life so misarable. I dont want to marry, but everyone telling me , how you will live alone, who will take care of you. How can you live alone here? I Know out culture is so difficult. And i am tired of telling no... I was trying for a life partner ( gay) for the last 10 years. I couldnt find any gays. And i always feel that the gays are not trustable,and dependable. They will go when they meet another atractive one. Really i am so confused about my life. I dont know what to do? I am always thinking about suicide . Otherwise what to do? You can see my profile in gaydar page... www.gaydar.co.uk/joybs Thank you Joy Mark Gory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NOT AN INTERESTING IDEA IT IS STUPID, THIS IS YOUR LIFE NOT YOUR FRIENDS, PARENTS, OR ANYONE ELSE IT IS YOURS, I HAD TO TELL MY PARENTS NO AND OH WHAT S SHOCK BUT I STOOD MY GROUND AND TODAY THE LOVE ME FOR WHO AND WHAT I AM. I HAD A FRIEND THAT GOT MARRIED AND DIED AT THE AGE OF 31 YEARS BECAUSE HE WAS NOT HAPPY HE JUST DROPPED DEAD HE WAS SO MISURABLE HE HAD A JOB THAT TOOK HIM OUT OF THE STATE A LOT SO HE DID NOT HAVE TO BE WITH HIS WIFE WHO HE REALLY DID NOT WANT TO BE WITH ANYWAY BUT WHY GO THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS YOU ONLY HAVE ONE LIFE TO LIVE AND YOU SHOULD NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING BUT THE BEST FOR YOU! ! ! ! ! ! MARRAGE IS FOR THOSE WHO FEEL IN THERE HEART THEY WANT THIS AND NOTHING ELSE
g_b Re: None of Us could Do It
How funny. ! My next door neighbor is 89 years old and I don't know how many times she has knocked on my door to ask me to open a jar for her (and wine bottles!). HA ha Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, naughty confessions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As part of his yearly physical exam, the doctor requested a sperm count from his 85-year-old male patient. The doctor gave the man a jar and said, take this jar home and bring back a semen sample tomorrow. The next day the 85-year-old man reappeared at the doctor's office and gave him the jar, which was as clean and empty as on the previous day. The Doctor asked what happened. The man explained: Well, doc, it's like this. First I tried with my right hand, but nothing. Then I tried with my left hand, but still nothing. Then I asked my wife for help. She tried with her right hand, then with her left, still nothing. She tried with her mouth, first with the teeth in, then with her teeth out, still nothing. We even called up Arleen, the lady next door and she tried too. First with both hands, then an armpit, and she even tried squeezing' it between her knees, but still nothing. The doctor was shocked! You asked your neighbour? The old man replied, Yep. None of us could get the jar open - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
g_b Re: Gay Advertising Goes Mainstream
I've noticed that for at least ten years now Minnesota's gay pride parade has gotten more and more corporate. Lots of advertisers and liberal politicians are out hustling for votes and sales. Why not? We vote. We shop. The next one I'll be out handing out adorable little fliers about my novels. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, lgbtindiagroup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gay Advertising Goes Mainstream Out Now Consulting (WebWire) 5/6/2007 4:24:15 AM Media and entertainment industry bible, Variety magazine, says advertising targeting the gay and lesbian market is no longer fringe. In the US, and elsewhere, marketing goods and services to gays and lesbians is now thoroughly mainstream. Los Angeles, US (OUT NOW) May 6, 2007 -- In an article entitled 'Same-sex ads swim into mainstream - Industry embraces buying power of gay market' leading US entertainment and media magazine, Variety, says the media and advertising industries are being shaken up by the emergence of a strong gay consumer market. Advertising agencies have found themselves scrambling to keep up with demands of client brands that recognize the need to place their marketing where lucrative customers are. For an increasing number of brands that means developing new initiatives to target the lesbian and gay consumer market. According to Ian Johnson, CEO of Out Now Consulting, a global specialist gay marketing agency quoted in the Variety magazine article, the advertising industry has a lot to learn about gay customers if they want their marketing efforts to succeed. For years advertising agencies have thought just including a few well known gay media outlets within a mainstream media buy was all they needed to do to target gay customers, says Johnson. Often the advertising imagery used is neither appropriate nor segment-specific, and the gay consumer responds negatively. Much gay marketing is seen by the gay consumer audience as junk mail with nothing to say to them as a gay person seeing that advertising. Effective gay marketing requires a lot more. Recognizing that the marketing process itself is little different in marketing to any audience, Johnson contends many advertising agencies mistake the process being the same to imply that the marketing communications content can be too. Go to any major gay website or magazine and it will take you less than a minute to pick out numerous examples of advertising with almost nothing of targeted relevance to say to gay customers, says Johnson. Gay people generally ignore advertising that they already see elsewhere in the mainstream. The industry needs far greater insight into how gay consumers perceive their own lives as people, says Johnson. Mainstream media buyers can identify gay media options, but there seems to be precious little insight about attitudes, opinions and relevant lifestyle factors reflected in most of the advertising that actually makes it into these gay media spaces. The greatest consumer response is achieved by advertising that speaks directly to them as gay individuals. In the Variety article Johnson says: Most members of the market share a common bond by virtue of their 'otherness,' which creates significant marketing opportunities. The challenge is to create good gay marketing that works by recognition of both the commonality that exists between gay consumers, while at the same time acknowledging the vast diversity that also exists amongst the group. Out Now Consulting is nominated for a 2007 `Images in Advertising' award - for their recent gay advertising campaign for Lufthansa - at next month's Commercial Closet Awards on June 11 in New York City. Notes to editors: The original Variety article is at http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117962966.html?categoryid=14cs=1 Gay Market News has more information on this story: http://www.gaymarketnews.com/2007/04/variety-gay-advertising-out- now.html The gay market comprises 6% of the total consumer market. Source: UK government, Whitehall, December 2005. The US gay market value exceeds $600 billion annually. Source: Human Rights Campaign www.hrc.org The UK gay market value exceeds £70 billion pounds annually. Source: Out Now Diva and GT Gay Market Report, 2006.
g_b Re: When you are looking for a guy!
I never met the important people in my life because I was planning it or looking. Life just happened. It was always a surprise. The people I pursued never reciprocated. The people I did have relationships with were just people I came across from happenstance - usually meeting an unexpected friend of a friend, or a chance meeting in a shop. I think the only thing you need to work on is your personality (and good health and hygiene, of course - health is sexy) and people just wander by. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, suhail khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you seriously looking for a guy? If the answer is yes, means you are seriously looking for a guy then there are few things you need to keep in mind. However, if you feel the need to have someone in your life only when you are in a sad mood, and when you are happy you dont care, then it means that you are not seriously looking for a guy, you are seriously looking for a guy only when you feel almost the same need of having someone in your life both when you are happy and when you are sad. There are few things which should be kept in mind when you are seriously looking for a guy. Let us suppose that you had few past relationships which didnt materialize for one reason or the other, and you still feel for some of your Exs quite a bit, though you know that their coming back or you two getting together is not possible. At that point it is quite important that you start forgetting them, I know it is not easy but I think it is very important for you to have a clear-cut mindset about your Exs. By forgetting I dont mean no contacts I mean you should forget about them entering your life in one way or the other, though in reality you know its impossible. By Exs I mean either those with whom it didnt work out when you both tried together or someone who went to someone else. So now when you are looking for someone to enter your life, and you have found someone (new guy) with whom you are in the process of knowing each other better and you like him, you should keep few things in mind: You have to completely forget your Exs, while you are conversing or chatting with the new guy. Many a times it happens that, when you are chatting with the new guy and you are quite prompt in responding, all of a sudden one of your Exs also comes online and now you are no more prompt in responding to the new guy, because someone for whom once you had a heart is now online, this according to me is wrong, because in that way your Ex is always going to be in between you and the new guy, which means its not a healthy relationship between you and the new guy, because the new guy would definitely feel that whenever his Ex comes online his replies become very direct and short. By forgetting your Ex I dont mean that you stop talking to him and dont have any contacts with him, what I mean to say is that your replies should continue to be detailed to the new guy and short and direct to the Ex, you can chat in detail with your Ex once you and the new guy are done. Because when you are looking for someone whom you want to enter your life, and you are still not able to figure out who is more important, the new guy or your Ex and other good gay friends if you are not able to draw a line on contacts with your Exs and good gay friends, and if they are very very nice compared to the new guy, then I wish that the new guy may never enter your life because he is not getting anything in return. Because then it means that you dont understand the importance of a relationship. I know that your friends are very nice and your Ex is also a nice person, but if they are more nice than me, and if they are getting more time of yours than me, then I would say lets not continue any further, and remember that I left you not because I dont like you but because I think you still need time to understand what you want out of life and who is important to what extent. - Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers
Re: g_b INDIAN STUDENTS EXPELLED FOR MAKING GAY FILM
What a shame there isn't more freedom of expression all over the world. I hope the scandal helps make people more aware of this kind of persecution. Film is very powerful. I hope the right people make a big stink about it and keep it in the press! Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Mark Gory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good afternoon all, I am a Pastor of a Christian Church, I am the Associate Minister at the Congregational Church of Christian Fellowship, United Church of Christ. The United Church of Christ Doctrine is that God created all and every thing, he gave all differences to enjoy, straight, gay, bi- sexual all are his children, I would love to see the film and I am sadden to hear a Christian College would still be in the dark ages and condem them selves because by condeming Gay people condems God and they have no right to do that. God bless you all and if there is anyway I can view this film I would love to here is my information Rev. Mark W. Gory 4024 Gelber Place, Unit # 1 Los Angeles, California USA 90008-2943 Phone: 213-399-4463 - Original Message From: Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2007 10:07:53 AM Subject: g_b INDIAN STUDENTS EXPELLED FOR MAKING GAY FILM STUDENTS EXPELLED FOR GAY FILM 01 May 2007 http://www.gcn. ie/content/ templates/ newsupdate. aspx?articleid= 2131zoneid=4 A Christian college in India has expelled five students for making a five-minute short film that explores gay themes and features partial male nudity. The short film, titled 'Secret Minds', outraged the authorities of St Joseph's College of Communications at Changanassery in the district of Kottayam in the Indian state of Kerala. We teach modern technology and so we are generally open to new ideas. But this film was outrageously indecent, a senior teacher at the college told New India Press. The College authorities decided on the drastic course of action after watching the short film twice and after finding the students¢ reasons for making the film 'unconvincing' . They said that the students had misused the campus and the hostel premises for the shoot and took strong exception to the 'nude act' of the performers. The film, acted by four BA (multimedia) students and directed by an MA (film and TV) student of the college, was made for a competition in an inter-college short film festival. One of the students said that in making the film they had functioned well within the limits of the creative freedom granted to them by the very nature of the course. He said that the actors had appeared 'partially nude' as it was required by the script. He argued that the film was not intended for public viewing. The film was targeted at the festival crowd. At festivals, only creativity matters and issues of morality are swept aside, he said. The move comes just weeks after three Indian states banned sex education in schools. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/gay_ bombay http://groups. google.com/ group/Gaybombay Website: www.gaybombay. in Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .in __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
g_b Iranian gays can't prove they are subject to torture. ???
I just read this on the web. You don't have to read the whole thing to get the idea, but I found it interesting - the politics of gay politics - what a nightmare!!! Peter A 35-year-old gay Iranian is on a hunger strike in a U.K. jail to protest a deportation order that will send him back to Iran. Saeed Faraji was arrested by British immigration police on April 20, and is currently being held in Oakington Detention Center in Cambridge. The Home Office refused his asylum request on the grounds that he could not prove that homosexuals are subjected to torture, inhumane or degrading treatment in Iran. Faraji told his story in a sworn statement to the Home Office's Immigration Appeal Authority, a copy of which was provided to /Gay City News/: Faraji is the youngest of five children from a Tehran family of practicing Muslims, and was trained at a technical school in elevator repair. I knew that I was different from a young age, Faraji said, and at around 14 I found myself attracted to people of the same sex. I had no attraction for women. From childhood, I had a very close friend called Ali Rahaei, Faraji explained. We were inseparable. Our relationship developed from being friends to being partners. After completing his military service, Faraji resumed his relationship with Ali, but, he said, our relationship was always practiced behind closed doors away from prying eyes [because] homosexuality is not allowed at any level in Iran. I spent my working time helping my father in his carpet business, Faraji said, and Ali worked for the Ministry of Agriculture. We tried to continue to see each other as often as we could. Faraji said that Ali and I were happily sharing our love for each other, albeit in secret, until one day when the couple was in my bedroom watching an X-rated video that Ali had secretly obtained. During this time we were watching this video on the computer, Ali performed oral sex on me -- but we did not realize that my cousin had seen us. He was shocked and confused at what he had seen and left the room immediately. A few days later, Faraji related, it became clear his cousin had informed on him to his family. He and Ali were again having sex in his bedroom when the door burst open, and my father, Ali's father, and three police came in. Ali and I were scared for our lives, and without even finding my shoes I got my trousers on and ran as fast as I could, jumping from the balcony window. Fearing for my life, I left Ali -- I felt terrible [doing so], but I had to get out. While I was running away I heard gun shots being fired by the police, and I ran even faster. Faraji made his way to the house of a friend who knew of his relationship with Ali. He told me that I couldn't stay in his house for long -- Iran was not a safe place for me and the only option I was left with was to flee the country, Faraji said. His friend helped him find a passer who smuggled him out of the country and arranged his voyage; after a long and arduous journey, he eventually arrived in the U.K. on December 11, 1999. Faraji applied for asylum as a sexual refugee the same day, but even though Faraji has made a life for himself in the U.K. in the intervening years, it is only now that the authorities have decided to deport him. Since I have been in the U.K. I have experienced freedom to express my views and feelings without fearing for my life, Faraji told immigration officials. I cannot return to Iran, a country that treats me as a lower kind of human being. Everyone has the right to be treated with decency regardless of their sexual orientation. I also fear revenge attacks from my family, he said. Friends of Faraji contacted the Iranian Queer Organization (IRQO http://www.irqo.net/), the new name adopted by the Persian Gay and Lesbian Organization, or PGLO), which is supporting Faraji's asylum request. Prime Minister Tony Blair's government has an abysmal record on granting asylum to gay refugees, especially from Muslim countries, and the Home Office's claims that homosexuals are not persecuted in Iran for their sexual orientation are laughable. For example, the government of the Netherlands last year adopted a new asylum policy for Iranian gays, who are now considered a special category of persecuted people who no longer have to prove they are individually at risk in order to be granted refugee status. This reporter has written numerous interviews with gay Iranian victims of torture over the last two and a half years. As Mani, an underground gay activist inside Iran, told /Gay City News/ last summer, You who live serenely and comfortably on the other side of Iran's frontiers, be aware that those who think and feel and love like you do in Iran are executed for the crime of homosexuality, are assassinated, kidnapped, and barred from working in offices. You have festivals, and they prisons. You select Mr. Gay of the Year, but they don't even enjoy the right
g_b true story? I doubt, but funny
I read this and the person posting claimed it to be true. Hhhmmm. I don't know It's funny regardless. the post: My flight was being served by an obviously gay flight attendant, who seemed to put everyone in a good mood as he served us food and drinks. As the plane prepared to descend, he came swishing down the aisle and told us that Captain Marvey has asked me to announce that he'll be landing the big scary plane shortly, so lovely people, if you could just put your trays up, that would be super. On his trip back up the aisle, he noticed this well-dressed and rather Arabic looking woman hadn't moved a muscle. Perhaps you didn't hear me over those big brute engines but I asked you to raise your trazy-poo, so the main man can pitty-pat us on the ground. She calmly turned her head and said, In my country, I am called a Princess and I take orders from no one. To which (I swear) the flight attendant replied, without missing a beat, Well, sweet-cheeks, in my country I'm called a Queen, so I outrank you. Tray-up, Bitch.!!
g_b The Anglican Church and Gays
I thought this was VERy interesting. You don't have to read it all to get the idea. Gay love, the Bishop and the Bible bashers GAY.COM Wednesday 18 April, 2007 13:25 This week, the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams ruffled the stuffy feathers of conservatives when he agreed to meet with liberal Episcopalian bishops later this year. There will be more right-wing harrumphing following an address to theology students in Toronto in which Williams effectively snatched away the textual crutch of the anti-gay Bible bashers. He said conservative Christians who cite the Bible to condemn homosexuality are misreading a key passage written by Saint Paul almost 2,000 years ago. Saint Paul's Epistle to the Romans is the firebrand favourite for justifying everything from barring gays as priests to drowning them in boiling oil. Many current ways of reading miss the actual direction of the passage, Williams said on Monday, according to a text of his speech posted on the Anglican Church of Canada's Web site. Paul is making a primary point not about homosexuality but about the delusions of the supposedly law-abiding. In Romans 1 v 27 that Williams referred to in Monday's lecture, Saint Paul said people who neglected the word of God fell into sin. Men committed indecent acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion, Paul wrote. Williams said these lines were for the majority of modern readers the most important single text in Scripture on the subject of homosexuality. Following that passage, Paul warns readers not to condemn those who ignore God's word. At whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, wrote Paul. Williams pointed out that due to the fact that Paul was making the comment as part of a wider issue, neither the gays nor their detractors should overstate its importance. It is not helpful for a 'liberal' or revisionist case, since the whole point of Paul's rhetorical gambit is that everyone in his imagined readership agrees in thinking the same sex relations of the culture around them to be as obviously immoral as idol-worship or disobedience to parents. It is not very helpful to the conservative either, though, because Paul insists on shifting the focus away from the objects of moral disapprobation in chapter 1 to the reading / hearing subject who has at this point been happily identifying with Paul's castigation of someone else ... Paul is making a primary point not about homosexuality but about the delusions of the supposedly law- abiding. Coincidentally, Williams' warning to both sides of the debate comes as a number of liberal churches launch a billboard campaign in Indianapolis which challenge the fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible. The Jesus Metropolitan Community Church, Faith In America and Metropolitan Community Churches have combined forces to produce the controversial boards which directs viewers to a website which explains the thinking behind such statements as, `Jesus said some are born gay- Matthew 19:10-12'. Pastor Jeff Miner of Jesus Metropolitan Community Church said: Right now, most people think this is a debate between people who love the Bible conservative Christians and people who want to throw out the Bible godless homosexuals. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our Church welcomes hundreds of devout gay Christians who love the Bible deeply. Our goal is to rescue the Bible from misinterpretations driven by cultural prejudice, so its true message of grace, hope, and peace can come through. Obviously, the debate will continue to rage with no peaceful end in sight. Many observers view the arguments as ultimately quite pointless as it's impossible to escape from the fact that the rows are inspired by a 2,000 year old document, written in very hazy language which has been translated and re-interpreted by many people with differing agendas. For many, finding concrete meaning in the Bible is like the blind man, in a dark room, looking for a black cat, that isn't there.
g_b Re: Girls' Night Out
You always have the best crazy silly jokes. I always read them. I thought I'd finally say thanks! Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, naughty confessions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Girls' Night Out Two women friends had gone out for a Girls Night Out, and had been decidedly over-enthusiastic on the cocktails. Incredibly drunk and walking home they suddenly realized they both needed to pee. They were very near a graveyard and one of them suggested they do their business behind a headstone or something. The first woman had nothing to wipe with so she took off her panties, used them and threw them away. Her friend however was wearing an expensive underwear set and didn't want to ruin hers, but was lucky enough to salvage a large ribbon from a wreath that was on a grave and proceeded to wipe herself with it. After finishing, they made their way home. The next day the first woman's husband phones the other husband and said, These damn girls nights out have got to stop. My wife came home last night without her panties. That's nothing, said the other. Mine came back with a sympathy card stuck between the cheeks of her butt that said, 'From all of us at the Fire Station, We'll never forget you!' - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
g_b Gays killed in Iraq (sexual cleansing)
Yikes! As if it wasn't bad enough. But I wasn't surprised - I thought gays were killed all the time in Muslim countries anyway. Here's just a part of the article: Reuters Foundation AlertNet IRAQ: Sexual cleansing - Gov't denies gays are targets of killings BAGHDAD, 16 April 2007 (IRIN) - BAGHDAD, 16 April 2007 (IRIN) - The Iraqi lesbian and gay community and NGOs dealing with gay issues have called for urgent action to protect gays and lesbians in the country. The groups say that the number of victims of sexual cleansing is growing on a daily basis. In the past three months, more than 30 gays have been executed in Baghdad. The bodies have been found tortured, mutilated - sometimes with signs of rape, said Mustafa Salim, spokesman for the Rainbow for Life Organisation (RLO), a Baghdad-based gay rights NGO. Notes were found near some of the bodies with messages saying that this is going to be the fate for any Muslim who denies the Islamic religion, Salim added. RLO was set up in 2005, and Salim claims that since then they have recorded more than 230 cases of abuses against gays and lesbians, including more than 64 deaths - with the last three months being the most bloody. The gay community continues to be subjected to systematic terror by Shia militias, especially the Mahdy Army controlled by the religious leader Muqtada al-Sadr. The government of Iraq is refusing to offer protection (I cut it here) Peter Joseph Swanson
g_b Vatican criticised
Vatican's gay attitude criticised by French contender Despite his criticism of the church, M Sarkozy has made clear his own opposition to gay rights. A politician who is on course to become the next President of France has spoken out against the anti-gay rhetoric of the Roman Catholic church. Nicolas Sarkozy, the UMP candidate for the Presidency, has maintained a consistent lead over his main rival, the Socialist Segolene Royal. The first round of elections are held on 22nd April. Speaking to La Liberation newspaper, Sarkozy, who was until last month the French Interior Minister, said the church's position on gays was shocking. I was born heterosexual. I have never questioned myself about the choice of my sexuality. That is why the church's position, which consists of saying Homosexuality is a sin, is shocking, he told the newspaper. One doesn't choose one's identity. One has the identity that one has. M Sarkozy also shared his opinions on the nature of sexuality: Not everything depends on nurture, but that part could be nature. In what proportion? I am not a scientist. For example, when I was a child I was shocked because people explained to me, when a child was homosexual: His mother was wrong, she slept with him. When a child was anorexic, people said: The father was absent. When a child was autistic, people said: Oh! The parents got divorced, that caused a shock. Since then we know that autism is genetic. I think that sexuality also is an identity. Despite his criticism of the Roman Catholic church, M Sarkozy has made clear his own opposition to gay rights. In a February TV debate he said he is opposed to any form of gay marriage. He has promised new adoption rights for gay couples and improved financial arrangements. Polling carried out in June 2006 suggests that the French population might support his Socialist opponent's policies on gay rights. The 53-year-old Royal would become France's first woman president if elected. Proposition 87 of her manifesto demands equal rights for same-sex couples, paving the way for future anti-discrimination legislation. A 2006 Ipsos survey shows that 62% of French voters support gay marriage, while 37% were opposed. When asked whether same-sex couples should be allowed to adopt children, the survey found more people to be in opposition (55%) than in support (44%). The French will go to the polls to elect their next President on 22nd April. Around 11 candidates are expected to run alongside Royal and Sarkozy. (I stole this from another gay political site. I don't know where it originated) Peter Joseph Swanson
g_b a gay TV show in China!
gay.com http://www.gay.com/news/ China to get first gay TV show published Tuesday, April 3, 2007 A Chinese Web site Thursday will launch what its producer describes as the country's first show to focus on gay issues and the first with an openly gay host. The weekly hourlong Internet TV show Tongxing Xianglian, or Connecting Homosexuals, will debut Thursday on www.phoenixtv.com, producer Gang Gang said in a phone interview with the Associated Press. The Web site is run by the same media company that runs the Phoenix satellite TV station. Gang said clips from the online show will be aired on the broadcaster. Gang said that while gay people have appeared on Chinese TV shows, this will be the first show to focus on gay issues and the first with an openly gay host, AIDS activist Didier Zheng. He said he hopes the Beijing-based show will improve public understanding of Chinese gays. There are many people in China's gay community, but people don't have a deep enough understanding about this community. This community faces a lot of trouble and difficulties. They face a lot of pressure, Gang said. Gay people were strongly persecuted after China's 1949 communist revolution, condemned as products of decadent Western and feudal societies. Official attitudes gradually have changed since the late 1980s, and in 2001, the China Psychiatric Association stopped listing homosexuality as a mental illness. The new show will explore homosexuality from legal, parental, and sociological perspectives, dealing with issues like same-sex marriage, Gang said. The program will also feature a friend-matching portion. It remains to be seen if the new show will face censorship. Though the communist government promotes Internet use, it has also set up an extensive surveillance and filtering system to prevent Chinese from accessing material considered obscene or politically subversive. The show's host, Zheng, 27, is a France-educated activist at the Chi Heng Foundation, which works with AIDS orphans and promotes AIDS prevention. I hope to convey my love in caring for gays, my hope for them to get better recognition in society, said Zheng, a Chinese citizen who pursued graduate studies in psychology at the Sorbonne. Gang said he believes gays in China face less discrimination than in the West, where criticism of gays stems from Christian beliefs. The pressure comes more from the Chinese problem of saving face, he said. (Min Lee, AP) / Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed./ (ooops - Peter)
Re: g_b All colored EYE people
It's not the color of the eyes that make a person, but anyone can change their color nowadays with contacts. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Aditya Bondyopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Black is not a colour eh..!! So what about all of them colors put together..?? HAve you ever seen anyone with White Eyes..?? Belove me it can be scary!!! -Aditya On 07 Apr 2007 02:57:50 -0700, wab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi people, I go crazy over colored eyes (anything beside black)... if you have one, do get in touch with me and rest will be hisstory. 27yrs, 6ft with a scorpion instinct. -- Aditya Bondyopadhyay
Re: g_b question on relationship , love and sex
I bet lots of people out there have relationships without sex, but I think for most it's because the sex part of it faded. Most those are heterosexual marriages that stay together for the kids, and society. There's a lot to a relationship besides sex. There's a saying that goes: If a couple puts a penny in a jar for every time they have sex the first year, then during all their following years if they take a penny out for every time they have sex the jar will never go empty. I don't think that's true, but it's funny and telling anyway. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, RAK SHAS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Given the premise that I am into a relationship I wont fuck with others on the side as that would be cheating and will demean the scantity of a relationship. Given the premise that the sex between me and my partner is 'awful' and there is no 'sexual attraction'... 1. I still wont sleep out of the relationship just to get sexual satisfaction. 2. Will be faithful to him as long as in a relationship. 3. Talk to my partner and better understand his take on the situation and asking him to put in his efforts and shall definately put in efforts myself and if need be tone down my sexual desires and meet someway half the road wherein both of us are satisfied. 4. Will see why I love him apart from sex and enhance upon that aspect of love leading to more moments full of love and not lust. 5. Will focus on the other and major side of any relationship that is companionship. Afterall if we are in a relationship and are planning to grow old together, sex shall not be the criteria when we turn 70! Having said that even if after sincere efforts on both parts if the relationship is still not moving ahead and both of us are being dissatisfed... 1. Then will have a talk with him and decide to separate while remaining good friends still caring and sharing whatever we can leading independant lives and will support and be there for him without expecting the same from him. 2. Shall be very clear that I cant be with him after we separate and shall have our own lives and if we are lucky enuf to find another partner for ourselves we shall not let our past interfere with the future. This separation will be mutual and will not be just because I am not sexually satisfied. A relationship is much more than sex to me, it is the day to day lives that we share, it is the joys and sorrows we share, it is the company of each other we enjoy, it is the feeling of someone being there for you, it is much larger than just sex. Sex too is important in sustaining a relationship, but it is not a criteria to make or break a relationship. All this comes from my personal experience! Cheers RAKSHAS - Original Message From: lgbtindiagroup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:50:10 PM Subject: g_b question on relationship , love and sex 1) You are into a relationship with a guy but the sex is aweful. there is just no sexual attraction. would you continue your relationship. . or love him and fuck with others on the side or be faithful to him or would you break the relationship? Moderator __ __ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
g_b I just got my first review for my first novel (and it ain't shabby!)
Peter Swanson's Hollywood Sinners is a loopy Wizard of Oz where assorted down-at-heel characters, all of them of questionable virtue, cross paths in 1930's Hollywood -- specifically and tellingly, in 1939 when The Wizard of Oz was filmed. Farm girl Karin Panotchitch is journeying to Oz -- or rather, Hollywood -- to become a big star, but instead of munchkins to lead her down the yellow brick road, she meets sinners with delusions of grandeur who make up Hollywood's underbelly. Swanson's writing is off-the-wall and irreverent, speckled with period slang, and characters with names like Mama Gravy, reminiscent of Ronald Firbank (The Flower Beneath the Foot) whose work, although dubbed a specialized taste (and often published at his own expense), has gained recognition and its own cult following. The first in a Tinseltown trilogy, Hollywood Sinners shows a deranged sense of humor and love of Old Hollywood, portraying a city with more sinners than saints, by far. But the angels are there, too, in the form of nuns who are shaping eyebrows as much as saving souls. - d. nowak
g_b Clocks (a joke)
A U.S. Republican died and went to Heaven. As he stood in front of the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, What are all those clocks? St. Peter answered, Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie, the hands on your clock move. Oh, said the republican. Whose clock is that? That's Mother Teresa's, replied St. Peter. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie. Incredible, said the republican. And whose clock is that one? St. Peter responded, That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abraham told only two lies in his entire life. Where's George W Bush's clock? asked the republican. George's clock is in Jesus' office... He's using it as a ceiling fan!
Re: g_b Racism still an issue in the gay community ( ARTICLE)
Everybody is racist. We all judge with our eyes, and we all have our own cultural things that we favor. It's natural to be that way but natural doesn't mean it's right, just and fair. I think we can overcome racism a lot by just trying to understand why we have those fears and attractions that we have. Then we can laugh at ourselves about it first. Laughing at yourself about things is a good first step in growing. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, veno anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Karwan, There still are some of us white guys who think darker men are da bomb. Their features and color are loved and admired. Sounds like reverse racism but I only look at personals for Asians South and East and Latinos, your're among the handsomest men around. Veno karwan khursheed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are absolutely right! Here in Duabi, its the same like britain. I am from delhi working in Dubai for last two years. The first question they will ask you is whats your nationality? When you will say I am Indian. they will say sorry I am not into asian. sometimes no reply. I noticed it many times. Condition of Indian gays specially who are dark skin is very bad. They are most of the time neglected. Sometimes I taught them a lesson. The same guy who didnt chat with me knowing me Indian, chatted with me knowing that I am European. I made my id as 27-Eurpopean in mirc and I got the reply of that guy. He gave me his msn is and we chatted. He gave me his no without seeing me but i refused him saying sorry you are not my type. Most of the Arabs guy here are looking for Arbs. Few european like Indian. But I feel race is not the main issue. The main issue is how you look and how your stats is... rgds zaid - Original Message From: walnut [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:59:15 PM Subject: g_b Racism still an issue in the gay community ( ARTICLE) Comment: Racism still an issue in the gay community I've encountered more cold shoulders and thanks, no thanks on Old Compton Street than Dating Direct or Gaydar. Click Here 8th March 2007 13:37 Comment Since coming to London last year, student Balaji Ravichandran has been impressed with the freedom that gay men enjoy here. As an Indian, though, Balaji has noticed that white gay men's attitudes to a guy like him can at times leave something to be desired. Sorry, not my type. This is probably the most frequented reply I've received on Gaydar - or DismayDar, as I choose to call it. Personally, I have nothing against the cruising website always busy with people (gay, straight, or otherwise) craving for sex. It is, in many ways, much better than the hypocrisy of people claiming to want longer relationships and not bothering to call again or return your messages. Indeed, having been in Britain only for a year now, I've rather enjoyed my frequent flings, thanks to the occasional few who don't mind my skin colour, or those who do not have Caucasians only in the Looking for column of their profiles. Yet, having used it for almost a year, along with a host of other dating websites, and having been a part of the gay scene (an unfortunate epithet) in London for an equal amount of time, I can't help thinking that there is subtle, yet very palpable racism within the community. When I mention this to many of my gay friends in the UK, they refuse to believe it. They point out that there are a significant number of interracial relationships within the gay community. I wholly agree. What's more, most of the men I've been with were white. In fact, I once admitted that if one wanted to see real and overt racism, one must go to the Berlin gay scenehow would you feel if people in their hundreds refuse to acknowledge you even exist? That's exactly how it felt - for me, anyway. But to say that Britain is highly tolerant and that it is not as bad as some other European nations is not to say that a person with coloured skin is treated in exactly the same manner as a white would. Far from it. If you don't believe me, log on to any gay dating website and read the profiles of a few white people at random. You are more likely to see the following epithets than any discernible description of themselves or their prospective partners (sexual or otherwise) Sorry, not into Asians; Sorry, coloured skin just doesn't work for me; Whites only, no offence. An oxymoron, if there ever was one. Could this be something related to the realms of online dating alone? Not exactly. I've encountered more cold shoulders and thanks, no thanks on Old Compton Street than Dating Direct or Gaydar. Admittedly, this may not
Re: g_b WRIST BANDS
I used to always think that people would just know I'm gay because I'm so nelly. Some straight people still didn't seem to notice, especially women who have wanted me to date them (to my utter surprise and horror! ha ha). But I think a gay man is usually pretty good at spotting another gay man without anything special on him. Usually the second he opens his mouth, the cat is out of the bag. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Roger F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the point is not to identify bottom/top/versitile it's more to identify being gay. Have you never been out in a non-gay specific place such as a store saw someone you found attractive, but should you approach or not? Should you decide to approach and he turns out to be hetero, he may just turn you down, or beat the crap out of you. My understanding with wrist bands is that you don't have to wonder, if the person you see has a wrist band to identify gay the only thing you risk is being turned down. Let's face it straight people don't have to worry, if a guy walks up to a girl to talk does he need to worry about hetero/homo, the answer is NO, if she turns out to be a lesbian she is not exactly going to start calling names or hitting the guy. Do you get the point or am I just rambling on? Roger Ramesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Cooper. Why must we wear our sexuality on our sleeve (or wrist?). Do heterosexual men wear some sort of identification to let the girls know they're straight (hate the term)? It's time the gay world stopped being so paranoid about being able to get the right catch. There's nothing wrong with bumbling our way through relationships the same as the rest of the world does. manu nehru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cooper, I think he was just suggesting that wrist bands or some such thing be worn for gays to easily identify each other and thus avoid running into the wrong guys. Manu doc cop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi yesterday someone was inquiring about coloured wrist bands to show there sexual preferances Why should one where his sexuality on his hand??? hetrosexuals have a wide range of sexual preferances do they wear it on their hands they find a freind and see if that person can b a mate too and tehn explore the sexual compatibility and normally make the best out of it hence why should gays make the sex preferance their identity or the priority in finding a freind cooper - Tried the new MSN Messenger? It's cool! Download now. - Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
