Re: gEDA-user: gEDA Wikibook ?
On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:20:03 +0100 kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: It about finding authors. I'm not entirely sure about that. I think there would be persons that would be prepared to produce documents, if there were no necessity to wade through the source code to detect what has to be written about. Even if the source code has excellent comments included, few people will volunteer for the task if the it isn't clear what has to be done. That is not unsimilar to writing code for a client - the work is not writing the code. It is getting reliable specs from him/her. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA Wikibook ?
On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:43:34 +0100 Armin Faltl armin.fa...@aon.at wrote: I know that a wiki book may have some advantages in the collaboration of making. But why not a real book, that is written in LaTeX? When thinking bout documentation, please do take into account the effort being done by people line Shaun McCance, to create a new help format for gnome. www.mallardproject.org documents this, and it has some very tempting features, such as reverse linking. Also, it seems to be the preferred help format for gtk+-3.0, and has been integrated into the new help system 'yelp' which is quite a step forward. I'm only just starting to learn how to write in it. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:09:45 +0100 Kai-Martin Knaak kn...@iqo.uni-hannover.de wrote: If footprints are extended to allow text elements to be included, then I really hope that general polygons will be allowed too. plus arcs, two layers of silk, lines in copper, vias, mid layers, ... In short: The footprint format should allow everything you can do in a layout. I see no point in arbitrary restrictions. That was mainly what I was wondering about in the first place. Shouldn't footprints be something like functions in programming? Or maybe slightly more similar to macros? John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:12:22 +0100 kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: A less ambitious way to achieve text in footprints would dissolve letters into lines and add them to the footprint like you would with ordinary lines. In silk they stay straight forward lines. In copper they'd become SMD pads with the same name. Pads might optionally be covered with solder mask. The GUI might look up letters as footprints in the library and arrange them to yield human readable text. Not a bad idea... It could be a temporary solution, I guess. I did notice that a PCB file includes the entire font if a text is written anywhere on the board. How is this handled with, eg. refdes in elements? Does this also trigger inclusion of the font? John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:07:58 -0800 Colin D Bennett co...@gibibit.com wrote: Unfortunately this may not work well for footprints since I have found the best results from pstoedit to be achieved using the pcbfill output driver, which uses only polygons to render text, and PCB does not support polygons in footprints, even on the silk layer, apparently. I was looking at the source code, and I have the impression that polygons are possible in footprints, though only rectangular ones. I'm somewhat confused about the workings of PCB in this aspect - I suspect this has something to do with the complexity of rotation etc. Probably someone is needed to code complex polygon rotations... John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 23:23:29 -0300 John Coppens j...@jcoppens.com wrote: Probably someone is needed to code complex polygon rotations... Sorry - that may not have come out as intended... This wasn't meant as criticism... John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements
Hello all. I seem to remember I read about this a time ago, but me and google can't seem to find any reference: I'd like to put text into PCB elements (in this case to label pins of a connector on the silk screen), but that doesn't seem possible... Each time I try to add text to an element, it just disappears. I checked the specs. I know I could do it manually at board design time, but I use this connector regularly, and would rather have the text at the pins be printed automatically. I suspect this would be welcome to mark C, B, E in transistors, K/A in diodes, and other applications. Suggestions? Or maybe an estimate on how difficult it'd be for an average programmer to add? John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 17:29:04 + Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Here is the gotcha.. the VBO code didn't really work on the NVidia machine.. rendering got really slow. If you discover this, you can force it back to using Arrays rather than VBOs with this patch: Peter, Maybe, just by chance, you have the same problem I had (855 chipset). There is a bug going around in the Intel drivers, which was finally solved in the latest kernel, 2.6.35, but even there, a last minute error crept in, and req'd a patch. If this is the case, I can fetch the solution. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:10:39 -0400 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: I'm guessing they're around 0.5 to 1.0 meter, based on the size of the drill machines... A couple of days ago, checked Eurocircuits (.com). They have a max of 425 x 425 mm (410 x 410 in tech pool). John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT] Fluorescent tube help
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:53:43 -0500 John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: Or shop for a second hand UV tanning lamp? Another solution might be looking at the circuits that excite the tubes with high frequency. With a simple oscillator, you can use the tubes without the filament, and if they still have gas, they'll light up anyway. Plenty of circuits on the 'net. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Wiki pages
Hello people. Once in a while, I have the urge to save a page which seems too useful to download it every time I need it. I tried to do that with a couple of the gEDA wiki pages, and found that its format doesn't really allow to do that (something I didn't notice on other sites - at least it doesn't work with Firefox 3.0.xx). I may be wrong - I'm not an HTML expert, but I noticed a couple of issues: 1) The logo has an absolute link: http://geda.seul.org//graphics/navlogo.png 2) It seems most of the problems are caused by the ':' in the URL. If I do a seach-and-replace (geda: by geda_) all links work in the saved page, and all images show (which they didn't before the change). I'm doubtful if the ':' is legal (even though it works). Normally a ':' in a URL is the separator between URL and the port. (eg. http://my.url.org:8080) 3) This also works for CSS: before the replacement, css files were not loaded correctly. 4) Neither CSS validation (2 errors) nor HTML validation (33 errors) accept that page (geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial). Most are very minor errors - but they may contribute to the save problem. Note this is not criticism, just observing a couple of points which might improve the usability of the docs. ... and I offer my help if wanted. John PS: My workaround is to save it as PDF from the browser - which works reasonably well, but I prefer HTML. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Small bug in PCB?
Hi all. It's nothing really. I just installed the latest stable PCB, recompiled 'cause I switched to 64 bit, and noticed the printer calibration option. Tried it, and found that in the first step (selecting the printer), the cancel button seems to have the same effect as the Ok button (at least, it doesn't cancel the process). Anyone notice this? John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
On Mon, 25 May 2009 19:55:23 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: - How can I make the breadboard drawing appear light-grey in pcb's postscript output? A trick I've used is to export or print the board to postscript. Then you'll have many pages, one of them the vias alone, and on another the silkscreen. You can then combine both in GIMP and color the vias any color you like. Some of the silkscreen drawings of the standard components may have to be edited a little for 'aesthetic' purposes. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
On Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:26 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: I'd prefer something more scriptable, since I expect to have _lots_ of circuits. But at a first glance, it looks like the ps/eps outputs are easy to postprocess. If you want publishing (printing) quality output, you'll have to pass through ps anyway. There are a lot of utilities on the 'net that let you combine ps outputs in many ways, using command line utilities. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Crash in gschem
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:39:42 +0200 Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: More testing reveals that, even on an empty 'New' page, a vertical pin crashes gechem! (not a horizontal one) I did some tests yesterday but was not able to see problems -- I use 1.4.3 on Gentoo-AMD64. But indeed I nearly never create new pins -- using a prototype generated with tragesym and only fine-tuning in gschem is faster, and it ensures that all looks perfect (perfect aligned/sized text) -- at least for tragesym from 1.5.2. And it ensures that all attributes are present. I haven't used tragesym yet, but the symbol I wanted to create was a very non-standard transmissive opto sensor. I don't think tragesym caters for such symbols. Anyway, I submitted the problem as a bug report on sourceforge - I hope someone reads it. There seems to be little activity there. I solved the problem by drawing the symbol, rotating 90 degrees, adding the pins, and rotating back. It's only _drawing_ the symbol that causes the problems - it may be a GUI issue. Cheers, John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Crash in gschem
Hello all. I was trying to define a new symbol for one of these U-type optocouplers (TCST2302). Near the end, when adding the first pin, gschem disappeared. Redoing everything repeated the problem... More testing reveals that, even on an empty 'New' page, a vertical pin crashes gechem! (not a horizontal one) Not sure if I'm doing anything wrong... But IMO, no program should crash, ;-) Version is 1.4.3 (latest stable, home-compiled) The terminal window reported: In unknown file: ?: 0* [#procedure #f (pin) #object pin.3059] In /opt/gnome/share/gEDA/system-gschemrc: 861: 1* [autoplace-pin-attributes #object pin.3059] In /opt/gnome/share/gEDA/scheme/auto-place-attribs.scm: 740: 2 (let (# #) (autoplace-text pin pin-direction attribute-list)) ... 731: 3 (begin # #) 732: 4* [set-default-position #object pin.3059 #attribute pinnumber=0 ...] 654: 5 (if (null? defaults) 0 ...) ... 656: 6 (let* (# # # ...) (if # #) ...) 664: 7* (if (and # # #) (begin #)) 670: 8 (begin (let* # #)) 672: 9 (let* (# # # # ...) (set-attribute-text-properties! attribute -1 ...)) 687: 10* [calcule-new-attrib-bounds #attribute pinnumber=0 Lower Left ...] /opt/gnome/share/gEDA/scheme/auto-place-attribs.scm:687:42: In procedure calcule-new-attrib-bounds in expression (calcule-new-attrib-bounds attribute new-alignment ...): /opt/gnome/share/gEDA/scheme/auto-place-attribs.scm:687:42: Wrong type argument in position 4: 45650.0 Program exited with code 02. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Open GL survey (for PCB)
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:44:12 +0100 Oliver Lehmann lehm...@ans-netz.de wrote: No OpenGL support for many ATI cards on FreeBSD because no native drivers and the open source ones are mostly lacking support. No idea how good the binary nvidia driver works... I have a GeFORCE (was that the right name?) and am using the binary driver. It works fine in normal use - quite fast with video and all. But there may be pitfalls. Eg. if the XFCE compositor is turned on, graphics slow down enormously - video is near impossible then (on a 2.6GHz AMD). John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: omnibus order 0805
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:37:24 + (UTC) Kai-Martin Knaak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few days ago I started an omnibus order of common 0805 components in de.sci.electronics (see thread Sammelbestellung R und C in SMD-0805). Hello Kai-Martin... I'm not sure my mail is disappearing, but after answering your question (2 messages), I didn't get any reply? John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:04:52 +0200 Johannes Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Coppens schrieb: 1. How can I highlight a complete net in gschem? I have mostly stuff like http://bildrian.de/n/b/c3c0ce767ca5d198.png this - when I want to find out where exactly PA2 goes, I have to manually follow each piece of network, which is kind of annoying. According to http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.geda.user/12275 it's not yet possible Oh, this is quite unfortunate, since that would be an interesting feature. Since the article you quoted was posted one year ago I believe that there are no attempts on implementing that either, are there? Not that I'm aware of 2. I love the keyboard shortcuts, they make design really efficient when you got used to. One thing that annoys me, however, is that nets are started with n, but when you're finished, you have to hit Escape. This is a long way from the n. Can I remap it so that finishing networks can be done with, say b? Right click will stop the current net, and left-click will restart the net (i.e. gschem remains in 'net' mode) What I meant was the following: You draw a net, which is quite long and has many corners. In the last step you misclick. Then you have to right-click, Ctrl-Z, left click the last point, left click the correct point, right click again. It would be nice if, after the misclick you'd hit, for example b which would revert the last network leg and still stay in network drawing mode (e.g. that you do not have to left click the last point again). I guess this isn't possible then? Why? If you draw a net, Ctrl-Z immediately deletes to the previous clicked point. No strange extra clicks? 4. When moving vertecies which are connected to two networks (e.g. a corner somewhere), how can it be done that *both* endpoints of the net in question are moved? Currently when I move a point it first moves the vertex from the first part, disconnecting the network. Then I have to manually also pull the second one there. If you drag the center (not the endpoints) of a segment, it'll move entirely (remaining connected to the net). I'm not sure what you mean... This is true. However, suppose I have the following constellation: http://bildrian.de/n/b/975ae00f165bc4ee.png Now I'm moving the rectifier to the lower left. No matter what legs I select together with the rectifier, I'll always end up having to fix one or two vertices, in this case two: http://bildrian.de/n/b/84c98f67a293d55d.png Therefore it'd be nice if the vertices of both leg nets could be moved simultaniously. I don't see any point on why it would make sense to rip the network apart upon movement of a vertex. Make a selection which includes the net lines + the rectifier and you can move them all together. Of course there will be situations where you will have to touch up some nodes, particularly if you want to move diagonally. But even that, you can do with two different selections. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:37:51 +0200 Johannes Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I'm a total gEDA newbie and am pretty amazed about what is possible already. Still, I'm currently having some problems which probably are extremely easy to solve for some of you - most of them are only about usability. Currently I'm just designing with gschem, maybe do some PCBs later. So here are my questions, all about gschem: 1. How can I highlight a complete net in gschem? I have mostly stuff like http://bildrian.de/n/b/c3c0ce767ca5d198.png this - when I want to find out where exactly PA2 goes, I have to manually follow each piece of network, which is kind of annoying. According to http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.geda.user/12275 it's not yet possible 2. I love the keyboard shortcuts, they make design really efficient when you got used to. One thing that annoys me, however, is that nets are started with n, but when you're finished, you have to hit Escape. This is a long way from the n. Can I remap it so that finishing networks can be done with, say b? Right click will stop the current net, and left-click will restart the net (i.e. gschem remains in 'net' mode) 3. When drawing nets, is it possible to just undo the last click while staying in network drawing mode? I currently always hit Escape, then mark the net, move the misplaced vertex, then again hit n. Ctrl-Z undoes the last 'leg' of the net 4. When moving vertecies which are connected to two networks (e.g. a corner somewhere), how can it be done that *both* endpoints of the net in question are moved? Currently when I move a point it first moves the vertex from the first part, disconnecting the network. Then I have to manually also pull the second one there. If you drag the center (not the endpoints) of a segment, it'll move entirely (remaining connected to the net). I'm not sure what you mean... Any help appreciated, Thanks, Johannes John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: poll: How do you geda?
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:55:26 + (UTC) Kai-Martin Knaak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * What OS do you run geda applications on? Linux (Slackware) * How did you install your copy of geda apps? Source compile * Which apps do you use. What is your typical workflow? gschem/spice/PCB * Did you (have to) modify portions of geda to suit your needs? No (except define a bunch of symbols and footprints) * What is the general flavor of your projects? (analog, digital, HF) Mixed - a bit of everything * What is the greatest weakness of gEDA? Inconsistent user interface for the apps. Lack of docs. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Silk text disappears when making a component
Hello all, I have a component, and wanted to add a warning text to the silkscreen layer. I broke the component down, added the text and copied everything to the buffer. All well till now. I can even past it back to the board. But when I press 'Convert buffer into element', the text disappears. What am I doing wrong here? PCB version is 20080202, GTK GUI. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Silk text disappears when making a component
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:30:58 -0400 DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elements don't have a way of storing additional silkscreen text, sorry. Thanks for the fast reply, DJ. I have a footprint for RJ45, but it can be used for connector with top or bottom contacts. I wanted to make two footprints each with an appropiate text, as I probably won't remember after making a board. I'll put the text on the board manually. Cheers John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Strange (laser) print defects
Hi all. Though this evidently is not a software defect, I'm wondering if someone on the list knows the cause of this problem or experienced similar effects. I was testing another paper (touted by a local electronics magazine as 'ideal') for my quick-and-dirty toner-transfer PCBs, and found a strange defect, hard to describe. (see: http://jcoppens.com/misc/laser1.jpg and http://jcoppens.com/misc/laser2.jpg ) The right part of each pic is normal typewriter paper, the left one is on the new paper I'm testing. The faults are systematic: - The appear always on the same spot in the board, independent from where I print it on the sheet. - They never appear on the 'normal' paper. - Printer settings and source file is exactly the same, of course. (I did experiment with different settings, but no difference was noted on the printout). First feeling was that some particle on the paper surface 'exploded', and blew away the toner before it got fixated. But this shouldn't happen systematically on the same spot. Problems with the paper/toner transport? They should show on both printouts, shouldn't they? Ideas? John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Strange (laser) print defects
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:46:41 -0700 Samuel A. Falvo II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Permission denied (403) errors when attempting to view the pictures. Strange, just tested them (again), and they show fine. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Strange (laser) print defects
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:46:30 -0400 DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's very bizzare. It's the kind of thing I'd ask about on the Homebrew_PCBs yahoo group. I've seen all sorts of defects using TT, but nothing systematic like that. Ok... Didn't know about that group. Thanks for the hint. Have you tried rotating the board 90 degrees on the paper? I wonder if there's a charge buildup or something in your printer, which interacts with the paper. I haven't rotated yet, but I did change the position of the board left/right with no change. Also, the image drum is 76 mm circumference, and there's nothing printed 76 mm before the defect. It _does_ look like a static problem. I'll do some more testing when I get more paper. Thanks, John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Strange (laser) print defects
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:09:30 -0400 Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking there might be a liquid buildup there that would spatter away as the heat was applied to this much less porous medium, particularly if the heating effect at that point was coming in at an angle. Neither the paper nor the toner contain any liquid, so that ouldn't be the source (If the paper were the source of the problem, it wouldn't repeat on the same spot. The problem _is_ pre-fixating, as those mini-clouds are fixated. I'm somewhat miffed at the problem - my quick 'n dirty process is failing badly here (at least the quick part). Anyway, the density change is a good idea, and I'll try to get some more sheet tomorrow. Thanks! John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Buffer copy disappeared?
Hello all. Just installed the latest release of PCB, 20080202, and find that 'copy selection to buffer' disappeared. Can't find a reference to that in the CHANGES file, so I'm suspecting I did something wrong. (I'm using the GTK GUI) John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Buffer copy disappeared?
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:00:58 -0500 DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not in the Edit menu, with all the other cut/copy/paste options? Yeah, it is... But it isn't in the Buffer menu anymore, where I used to find it ;-) In fact, I can't remember I _ever_ used the ones in the Edit menu. Thanks, John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: www.gedasymbols.org unreachable?
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:12:08 -0800 (PST) Michael Stovenour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else having trouble reaching http://www.gedasymbols.org/? I was just on it this morning, but now it appears unreachable. Yep - won't work here either. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: firmware and the GPL license
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:34:38 -0500 Randall Nortman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The users will never take them up on it. Instead of using uClibc, they will just write their own code from scratch or purchase proprietary libraries. It's not the users that have to have access to the code. After all, 99 % of GIMP/Firefox/etc users will never consult the code. It's developers, if they want to build on a derived work. So, in terms of the GPS license, it would be enough to mention somewhere the site where the source code can be downloaded. Even on a lightbulb, it could be printed on the packing. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: PCB woes
Hello all. I don't want to sound unappreciative of all the work put into gEDA a particularly in PCB, I do appreciate it. Only, I wonder if someone uses the latest PCB (20070912) and it works for him/her? There are a lot of issues with cursor movements etc, which make it basically unusable. I've tried CVS, but it responds the same. I filed a bug against PCB, but, appart from a confirmation from another user reporting the same, I had no reaction to the report. (bugs 1796016 and 1796012 - though the last bug hasn't reappeared yet). I've started to try and analyze how the program works, but it is somewhat beyond my programming skills... Still, I'll have another go. Maybe someone can indicate where to start looking? Thanks, John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Suggestion for DJ
Hi... I just played around with background images in PCB, which works fine. It took some work, because of documentation problems. DJ: I'd suggest adding a comment on you 'background image' page, telling that it is possible to change the board size _after_ starting pcb --bg-image xxx The image will then adapt to the new board size. Else, maybe some confusion might appear, as the ps/pdf docs with PCB say it's possible to define the size on startup, but those commands are not accepted (--size doesn't work). The help page that appears running pcb, doesn't seem to provide an alternative to pre-define the board size. In fact, it might even be simpler _not_ to scale/crop the original image, but just measure two known points (corners) and then change pcb's size setting to make the image scale right. Cheers, John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: pcb-20070912
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:21:30 -0400 Dan McMahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I call the command window with ':', it appears without the text entry field (Dropdown and Close buttons are there). When I press the dropdown button, _crash_ - pcb disappears! John wierd. I'm not able to reproduce this. I get the entry and no crash. Which GUI are you using? Lesstif or Gtk? What happens if you go into the preferences-general tab and turn off the separate command window option? Can you get a back trace on the crash? Hi Dan. Another day, no more crashes. I'll try more later today. Maybe they appear after a while of usage (as they did they other day). There are a few suspicious messages I hadn't seen because I normally don't call PCB from a terminal. 1) When opening the 'Open file' dialog, I get four times: *** attempt to put segment in horiz list twice 2) When toggling the unit button, I get (not the first time): (pcb:20034): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_toggle_action_set_active: assertion `GTK_IS_TOGGLE_ACTION (action)' failed handle_grid_units_change() get_grid_value_index() get_grid_value_index() (pcb:20034): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_toggle_action_set_active: assertion `GTK_IS_TOGGLE_ACTION (action)' failed I'll try to re-crash this evening. Thanks, John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB snapshot 20070912 -- Small bug in GTK GUI
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:36:05 +0200 Stefan Salewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I have a pcb main-window smaller than the screen size and move the mouse pointer (activated select tool) out of the window, in some cases the inner of the window (footprints, autorouted traces, ...) is moved about 30% of window size. In fact, this moving (jumping around) happens quite a lot, as far as I can see only when not maximized: If you paste a buffer to the screen, and move it around, the window auto-shifts when moving to the border, but only once. Click (to fix the component), then touch the scrollbar and the window jumps back to the position before the autoshift. Though it's hardly a major bug, it does gets on the nerves after a while. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB snapshot 20070912 -- Small bug in GTK GUI
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:47:12 -0300
John Coppens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In fact, this moving (jumping around) happens quite a lot, as far as I
can see only when not maximized:
Just found another one (also maximized):
If you use the select window to select an area, autopan occurs when
pushing a side of the window. But touching the scrollbar jumps back to
the original location, which doesn't feel right.
Another problem:
Pressing Ctl (no other key), causes scrolling, if the cursor is on the
scrollbar. Is this correct? I use Ctl-Alt {Left arrow/Right arrow} a lot
to change workspaces, and this does cause some confusion. Touching the
scrollbar jumps back to the original position again.
Greetings,
John
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Re: gEDA-user: pcb-20070912
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:25:20 -0400 Dan McMahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just uploaded a new pcb snapshot to the sourceforge download area. My goal is to make the next one in closer to 3 months from now instead of having a 7 month gap like this last time. Wow... A big one. When I call the command window with ':', it appears without the text entry field (Dropdown and Close buttons are there). When I press the dropdown button, _crash_ - pcb disappears! John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: buzzing board
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:38:57 -0400 DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you cheap out on the inductor? Not that I'm aware of. I used these: By far the most probable cause is the inductor. I've made quite a few switchers, and several of them caused problems. I'm not so preoccupied with the noise by itself, but more by the possibility this may cause chafing and shorts on the long haul. The buzzing may appear only if a certain load (lower _or_ higher) is placed on the supply, as the switcher frequency passes through some resonance in the windings (even they should ideally be impregated). Even 'fixed frequency' switchers vary a little... John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Layer inversion
Hi all... I use PCB irregularly, mostly with all the defaults in place. Today, I was drawing a board where I wanted to add a text on the solder side. I've done that a lot of times, each time with the text mirrored, and never bothered to check why. Today the threshold was reached and I searched on the net, and found DJ's note on the assignment of layers to groups. Solved... But - I had never even seen that window before, much less changed it, so how did this happen? Is there some logic for having the components assigned to solder side and vice versa, by default? John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: buzzing board
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:23:56 -0400 DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only thing on the bottom of the board is a couple of bypass caps (most are on the top) and some of the ethernet bias circuitry. The ethernet uses a galvanic isolation power supply? One of those XXv to 9v DC converters? Tried to eliminate that? It hasn't anything to do with the oled circuitry though... John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Antenna Simulation
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:09:58 -0400 DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not getting into my site wasn't *your* bad luck! Yes... Of course I should've chosen my words a bit more carefully. My apologies! John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Antenna Simulation
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:27:29 +0200 Stefan Dröge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no problem at accessing the site. Stefan Thanks Stefan. I accessed the site through an anonymizer and had no problem. Probably some countries are blocked at that server. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:12:51 -0400 DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the site down? I can't seem to connect... Major storm hit NH, taking out power, phones, internet, roads, a few houses, and at least one truck. We're OK though, but at the peak there were close to 200,000 people without power in the area, mostly due to trees falling on power lines. We were without power for 51 hours, and without phone/internet for a little less than that. Wow... Welcome back! John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: home-made dremel drill press
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:50:27 -0400 Darryl Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the site down? I can't seem to connect... I'm getting unable to connect errors too. Hmmm... I have the impression that DJ disappeared simultaneously! John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: home-made dremel drill press
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:36:32 -0400 DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.delorie.com/pcb/dremel-stand/ Hi DJ. Is the site down? I can't seem to connect... John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:03:08 -0700 william estrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have made my first drawing using gEDA. I have some questions about using gEDA. In the drawing I used an 'arc' to jump over one of the 'traces'. Is the a better way to show that lines are not connected? By definition, in modern diagrams, if two lines cross, they are _not_ connected. A connection is only there if a dot is seen on the crossing. I haven't seen the arc-crossing for a while now. It probably takes just too much time to draw that. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA Symbols
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:18:02 -0400 Felipe Balbi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I create gEDA symbols for unsupported parts ?? Hi Felipe. If you mean symbols for gschem, check this: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gschem If you mean footprints for PCB: http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/ http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_tips John (Maybe useful - in Spanish: http://jcoppens.com/soft/howto/geda-spice/part3.php) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: C question
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:31:06 +0100 Philipp Klaus Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: static has two meanings: The one you mentioned for variables declared inside a function, the one Ben Jackson mentioned for variables declared outside a function. Isn't internet great? Collaborative learning! Thanks Philipp - I had never used 'static' in Ben's way. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: C question
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 03:23:22 + (GMT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Look at the following:1) int bob[5] = {0x1, 0x2];2) int const bob[2] =
{0x1, 0x2};3) static int const bob[2] = {0x1, 0x2};1 creates an
initialized array in ram.2 creates a read-only array - presumably in
ROMWhat does 3 do? I think 3 compiles to a read-only area of ram. Am
I correct?gene
Though I can't image the reason to put this question on this forum,
here's what I think:
'Static' is normally reserved to specify the data should never be
destroyed by the compiler if the compiler thinks it's not necessary any
more (eg. to make data 'static', i.e. available between function calls to
the same function).
'const' means the program shouldn't be able to change it. Like you said,
make it read-only.
John
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gEDA-user: gEDA installer
Hello all. Changed machines rather unexpectedly, and the move didn't go well :-( 1) I could still run gschem Co, but I found that selecting a couple of components and hitting er (rotate) twice made it crash. 2) Before complaining, I thought I'd install the last version first, and I thought I'd give the installer a try. I mounted the ISO under a directory, and tried to run /mnt/iso/installer: - Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/src/cx_Freeze-3.0.1/initscripts/Console.py, line 26, in ? File /mnt/iso/installer.py, line 194, in ? import gtk File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py, line 33, in ? ImportError: libgobject-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory -- I searched inside installer.exe and the path seems to be hardcoded in the executable as /usr, even though pygtk is installed in /usr/local here. Is there some way around this? John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Increment drill size on 344 vias
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:03:57 -0600 John Griessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Carr wrote: Quick question: I have a board with 344 vias that I'd like to increase in size from 20 mils to 24 mils. Select them and any other non-via objects, but not the other size vias somehow. Maybe multiple area selects or one big one or select all...depending... In the pcb command window give the command ChangeDrillSize (SelectedVias, 24, mil) and if you want to make the annulus bigger too... ChangeSize(SelectedVias,44,mil) The pcb commands will take only vias from the selected set and change them. That said, it _would_ be very helpful to have something else available except the +/- 10 mils fixed step (not only for holes, also for track widths etc). I would gladly sacrifice the +/- 10 options for a simple dialog which asks for a new size. It doesn't make much sense to decrease a 12 mil track by 10 mils anyway. I'm not too experienced a programmer, but I'm willing to help out... John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Schottky diode?
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:13:37 -0400
John Luciani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since the DVI file is generated can you view it with xdvi? If you can
I would think
that the problem may be with fontmapping.
Sri... Hadn't noticed that the make script seems to remove the output
(dvi)? As far as I can see, 'acs-tutorial' is the only file that has
formatting instructions in it ('xcept for the man file).
From the configure log, I notice that it looks for 'hacha' and 'hevea',
which are not present. Could it be that it then still tries to generate
the docs, but actually needs these?
John
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Re: gEDA-user: Schottky diode?
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:35:32 -0400 al davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you try gnucap? At least if it does have a problem I Al, Several items: 1) On the GNU site, the latest distro is 0.31 and no indication that newer versions exist. I can't compile this version... 2) Only later I detected 0.35 on the seul site. (Google still thinks the gnu gnucap site is more important, so the 0.31 comes out first _ I do think you should eliminate the 0.31 or upload 0.35 there). This version stops compiling when there is a problem with the documentation tools. I had to go into each directory and compile the model compiler and gnucap separately. That worked. 3) Gnucap fails on my output.net file, reporting problems such as: * gnetlist -g spice-sdb switch1.sch egnd 99 0 poly(2) (3,0) (4,0) 0 .5 .5 ^ ? need 1 more nodes egnd 99 0 poly(2) (3,0) (4,0) 0 .5 .5 ^ ? what's this? fb7 99 poly(5) vb vc ve vlp vln 0 27.96E6 -30E6 30E6 ^ ? what's this? j1 11 2 10 jx ^ ? illegal type j2 12 1 10 jx ^ ? illegal type .model jx NJF(Is=150.0E-9 Beta=4.568E-3 Vto=-1) ^ ? not implemented ic v(vlin)=0V ^ ? need ) ic v(vlin)=0V ^ ? what's this? ic v(vlout)=0V ^ ? need ) ic v(vlout)=0V ^ ? what's this? (Note that this works on ngspice) 4) Your mail server rejected my direct mail to you with the message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host flint.freeelectron.net[68.61.120.207] refused to talk to me: 550 HELO argument does not match calling host This is probably an anti-spam measure, but it is the first time I had this type of reject. Greetings, John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Schottky diode?
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:54:43 -0400 Dan McMahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that on John's computer, something is messed up in the latex installation so dvipdfm fails to find cmr17.tfm. Ok... I have -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1292 1995-08-14 15:29 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/cm/cmr17.tfm (rather old...) Where do I check why it isn't recognised? John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Some gschem/ngspice problems
Hi all. 1) I cannot get the 'spice-model' element to work... It just doesn't get included when calling gnetlist (no complaints either). I wanted to include a simple model for a switch. Also, the gEDA/SPICE tutorial mentions 'model' and 'type' attributes which are not available on the standard attribute list (like value, netname etc). Do I have to include them manually? I finally solved the problem adding the model to the switch itself. 2) Another version of the circuit causes: Found unknown component. Refdes = L1 L1 is an inductor, shown correctly on the schematic, and included in the generated netlist as: L1 vlin vlout 180u which I suppose is correct. Why the error message? Thanks in advance, John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Some gschem/ngspice problems
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Stuart Brorson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John -- 2) Another version of the circuit causes: Found unknown component. Refdes = L1 L1 is an inductor, shown correctly on the schematic, and included in the generated netlist as: L1 vlin vlout 180u which I suppose is correct. Why the error message? Is this in NGSpice? Yes What happens if you make the value 180uH? Same error message... (as before:) The inductor seems to work normally in ngSPICE. In net file: L1 vlin vlout 180uH Thanks John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Schottky diode?
Hi all. I was (trying to) simulate a switching power supply, and used the 'schottky' diode symbols, copied it, and added a model (1N5822 from Motorola). After some experiments with strange results, could it be that the diode pins are reversed? It did conduct the wrong way... The normal 'diode' has anode=1, the schottky has anode=2... John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Schottky diode?
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Stuart Brorson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best way to know is to inspect the SPICE netlist. There is no guarantee that the parts in the gEDA symbol library have the pins set up in the correct orientation. That's why I reported it on the list - attached is the 'corrected' symbol, to make it at least compatible with normal diodes and libraries. John schottky-1.sym Description: Binary data ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status
On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:34:20 -0400 DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even just a little 555-based LED blinker or something would count as functional in this case, I think. 0603 cap = 1 cent 0603 led = 7 cents Even the venerable 555 is too expensive in the small sizes appropriate to this project (about $0.60). Now, if you can think of a circuit that uses a flip flop and some inverters, plus low-valued caps (even resistors cost 3x what caps cost), that might be feasible. Yes - and think about being able instantly identify if the soldering was successful or not by seeing the LED blink. 'Built-in diagnostics'... That's at least worth another $.02? John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
