Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You Know?) section

[Sarah Stierch]

Yeah I stopped submitting DYK a long time ago...drama, rude people, too
"complex" of a process for something so simple...
On Jul 17, 2014 8:19 AM, "Rob"  wrote:

> DYK is pretty dysfunctional behind the scenes so I don't think there's any
> hope of changing DYK processes to address this issue.  What can be done is
> to encourage individual WikiProjects addressing the gender gap to include
> submitting new and improved articles to DYK as a part of their regular
> process of article improvement.   It's very easy to get a good article onto
> DYK once it is submitted there.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki  > wrote:
>
>> I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an
>> average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this
>> because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how
>> many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing?
>>
>> Some statistics here:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions
>>
>> Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March
>> (Women's History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the
>> occasional set (6-7 "hooks") or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the
>> majority of the biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon
>> occurrence over the course of a week. The reason seems simple:  fewer
>> women's biographies are being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted,
>> and fewer appear at DYK. It almost goes without saying that fewer women's
>> biographies are created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually
>> important to address this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not
>> suggesting and would not support setting limits on the number of men's
>> biographies which appear at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that
>> issue/problem recognition is the first step before we brainstorm some
>> objectives, develop workplans (i.e. monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and
>> measure outcomes.
>>
>> I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on
>> this "percentage issue". Feedback?
>>
>> -Rosie
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You Know?)

[Sarah Stierch]

Perhaps this goes back to the power of invitation culture that myself and
sue have talked about in the past...

Monitoring new articlesinviting people to submit...helping them through
the challenge.

Sarah
On Jul 18, 2014 8:04 AM, "Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight" <
rosiestep.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Spot on description, Sarah, of why not to nominate an article at DYK, "...
> drama, rude people, too "complex" of a process for something so simple".
> Yup, DYK can be (is) dysfunctional and the DYK project doesn't take
> criticism well. But if an article meets its requirements, it will
> eventually make it to the main page. So nominating more articles seems to
> make sense.
>
> I haven't witnessed gender bias within DYK, i.e. women's biographies don't
> appear to be treated differently than men's; self-identified female
> nominators don't appear to be treated differently than male nominators. But
> if you are aware of a nominator being treated poorly because of her gender,
> or really anything related to gender bias within the DYK process, I'd be
> very receptive to hearing from you, either through a reply here, or email
> me directly.
>
> I appreciate all your feedback -- so keep it coming -- and I will work on
> a proposal to tackle this issue. Wish me luck!
>
> -Rosie
> user:Rosiestep
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 5:00 AM, 
> wrote:
>
>> Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to
>> gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> gendergap-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Gendergap digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>1. Re: Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You
>>   Know?) section (Rob)
>>2. Re: Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You
>>   Know?) section (Sarah Stierch)
>>3. Re: Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You
>>   Know?) section (Siko Bouterse)
>>4. Gender diversity and women's biographies discussed in July
>>   WMF Research showcase (Pine W)
>>5. Blog post "Creating Safe Spaces" (Pine W)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:19:06 -0400
>> From: Rob 
>> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
>> participation   of women within Wikimedia projects."
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK
>> (Did You Know?) section
>> Message-ID:
>> > qvmh8jtzpacr+e2--hhojur4_-z5ms9...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> DYK is pretty dysfunctional behind the scenes so I don't think there's any
>> hope of changing DYK processes to address this issue.  What can be done is
>> to encourage individual WikiProjects addressing the gender gap to include
>> submitting new and improved articles to DYK as a part of their regular
>> process of article improvement.   It's very easy to get a good article
>> onto
>> DYK once it is submitted there.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki <
>> rosiestep.w...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an
>> > average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed
>> this
>> > because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how
>> > many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing?
>> >
>> > Some statistics here:
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions
>> >
>> > Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March
>> (Women's
>> > History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional
>> set
>> > (6-7 "hooks") or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the
>> > biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over
>> the

[Gendergap] Fwd: [Adacamp Alumni] Applications open for AdaCamp Berlin and Bangalore

[Sarah Stierch]

First AdaCamp in India!

-- Forwarded message --
From: Valerie Aurora 
Date: Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:11 PM
Subject: [Adacamp Alumni] Applications open for AdaCamp Berlin and Bangalore
To: AdaCamp Alumni 


Hi AdaCampers,

We just opened applications for AdaCamp Berlin and Bangalore!

http://adainitiative.org/2014/07/applications-open-for-adacamp-berlin-and-adacamp-bangalore/

A lot of AdaCamp Alumni have asked: Should I go to AdaCamp again? This
isn't an easy question, because we are pretty sure all future AdaCamps
are going to be sold out, and because we are trying hard to reach
people who need AdaCamp the most (usually those who don't have a
chance to attend many supportive conferences). At the same time, we
need people who have been to previous AdaCamps to attend to help show
new people the ropes, and we also need women who have a lot of
confidence and experience and expertise to attend to serve as role
models, give advice, and make relationships.

If you want to attend AdaCamp but are feeling guilty about taking up a
spot someone else might need more, here's what I recommend: Apply to
AdaCamp and in the "Anything else?" field of the application, say that
you are happy to give up your spot if someone else needs it more. :)

In other words, apply!

-VAL

--
Valerie Aurora
Executive Director

You can help increase the participation of women in open technology and
culture!
Donate today at http://adainitiative.org/donate/
__
Policies for behavior on this list:
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Statement_of_purpose/Women-only_communities
http://sf.adacamp.org/attendee-information/policies/#ahp
Contact adacamp-alumni-ow...@lists.adainitiative.org to report violations
To unsubscribe, go to:
http://lists.adainitiative.org/listinfo.cgi/adacamp-alumni-adainitiative.org



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] [Spam] Re: Sexualized environment on Commons

[Sarah Stierch]

Nope and I get consistent messages on and off wiki from women saying cheat
sheets are poorly designed or people are too busy... But I don't think
surveys are being done about workshops and the guides they pass out (I
believe in throwing people into the pool to learn how to swim).

I Still stand by hand holding...personal out weighs what we attempt...

But perhaps I am old school in the world of wiki. I also lost a job to
trolls who coincidentally also disagreed with my beliefs on commons...so I
am particularly sensitive. Commons is a terrible and demoralizing place.

The women's Commons revolution won't happen anytime soon.

Sarah
On Jul 30, 2014 7:48 PM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:

>  Nice idea in principle, but there are still two hurdles to be overcome
>
>
>
>1. How do you get the cheatsheet to the new female editor? How do you
>spot new female editors? By what mechanism do you communicate with them?
>Can you assume they know about User Talk (my almost entirely unsuccessful
>attempts to communicate with new users in a friendly way to offer help
>suggests many don’t see the message.
>
>
>
>1. People don’t read user manuals, cheatsheets, etc. Every new
>Wikipedia user already gets one of those “Welcome to Wikipedia” on their
>User Tal which points them to a morass of information (which is admittedly
>written in the language of the expert Wikipedian not the new user) and I
>think these days they are also offered the “onboarding experience” (or
>whatever precisely it is called) which aims to teach them to do basic
>editing. However, generally what people (men and women) really want is “the
>answer to the question I have here and now” to get them past the immediate
>barrier to achieving their mission (whatever it was that motivated them to
>click that Edit button), not a set of lessons nor a set of documentation.
>Part of the problem we have created for ourselves is that all the policies
>and processes and technologies have set the bar far too high for many new
>editors to get started on their own. L
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Carol Moore dc
> *Sent:* Thursday, 31 July 2014 10:24 AM
> *To:* Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
> participationof women within Wikimedia projects.
> *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] [Spam] Re: Sexualized environment on Commons
>
>
>
> On 7/30/2014 5:51 AM, Marie Earley wrote:
>
>
> >Things that I think might help:
>
> Help pages wise, I'm sure they'd love to see you at:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Help
>
> I know I wasted a couple years learning the hard way because the Help
> pages didn't seem intuitive enough.
>
> However one trick we have to remember is to go to the search box and type
> WP:_ whatever the topic of interest is. One often gets a search return
> that get one just where one wants to go.
>
> A "cheat sheet" of editing and conflict resolution tips for women would be
> a great addition to:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force
>
> Which is slowly but surely coming along.
>
> CM
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Sexualized environment on Commons

[Sarah Stierch]

what a joke...

I'm sorry you were "exposed" to such a search..

-Sarah


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:39 PM, LB  wrote:

> Twice during my short discussion about how to start a civility board,
> which turned into a long discussion about the word c*nt, an Admin gave the
> link to the Commons search results for that word, saying that showed that
> the "text" of the word isn't very offensive. WTF?!
>
> On Jul 30, 2014 7:55 PM, "Sarah Stierch"  wrote:
> >
> > Nope and I get consistent messages on and off wiki from women saying
> cheat sheets are poorly designed or people are too busy... But I don't
> think surveys are being done about workshops and the guides they pass out
> (I believe in throwing people into the pool to learn how to swim).
> >
> > I Still stand by hand holding...personal out weighs what we attempt...
> >
> > But perhaps I am old school in the world of wiki. I also lost a job to
> trolls who coincidentally also disagreed with my beliefs on commons...so I
> am particularly sensitive. Commons is a terrible and demoralizing place.
> >
> > The women's Commons revolution won't happen anytime soon.
> >
> > Sarah
> >
>
> _______
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Government-Funded Study: Why Is Wikipedia Sexist?

[Sarah Stierch]

This is amazing.

That's a lot of money.

Sarah
On Aug 1, 2014 6:04 AM, "Carol Moore dc"  wrote:

>
> http://freebeacon.com/issues/government-funded-study-why-is-wikipedia-sexist/
> Government-Funded Study: Why Is Wikipedia Sexist?
> $202,000 to address ‘gender bias’ in world’s biggest online encyclopedia
> BY: Elizabeth Harrington
>
> Coincidentally(?) even as we're trying to get the Task Force more
> together, there have been raging discussions on WP:ANI and Jimmy Wales talk
> page about this issue.  Someone posted this article link on the talk page.
>
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Tweet on Paula England

[Sarah Stierch]

There is a place for requesting (I can't post it right now) but it will
take less time for someone here or via Twitter to make a stub with multiple
reliable sources of course.

But seriously - the requested article pages on Wikipedia are not a hot spot
for article creation...

Sarah
On Aug 2, 2014 1:20 PM, "Kathleen McCook"  wrote:

> I saw this tweet Philip Cohen. from
> https://twitter.com/familyunequal/status/495662217149546496
>
>
>
> ​Attention, gender sociologists: Paula England has no Wikipedia page.
> Someone should make one before she becomes president of @ASAnews
> .​
>
> 
> What do we do when someone thinks someone should have a page? Is there a
> place he can request?
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Sexualized environment on Commons

[Sarah Stierch]

I have spent years trying to figure all of this out. I feel like I rehash
this question over and over again. Every year. Perhaps if I had a grant
from the government I could sit around and figure it out finally ;-)

1. Training women to be trainers is important. After I did that with some
folks after the first WikiWomen's History Month event, now those women do
their own events.

2. I did an evaluation of events I've done. No, they don't retain people,
except the "experienced usual suspects" - newbies rarely edit after the
event and generally do it AT events. I've seen it in the 20+ events I have
now facilitated internationally. I use Wikidata to track their
contributions and surveys. No dice. People do it at events. Read it:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Library/Case_studies/WWHM
 oh and you can read the proof in the puddin' re: edit-a-thons and
workshops here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Library/Edit-a-thons AND
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Library/Editing_workshops

3. Capturing people through "IRC" is a silly old school way of thinking.
Sorry dudes. When I first got "hardcore" into the community here in
Wikimedia I was SHOCKED that people were still using IRC. I used IRC in
1991. Not in 2011. Only uber geeks use that stuff - the average person
doesn't. Seriously.

4. Pop up windows - interesting idea of an experiment. Even though I hit
the "x" every time one of those things pops up when I'm using the ATT
website among a million others. I ignore them, they look like spam. But
that's just me, maybe others do use them.

5. Better cheat sheets are needed. People complain about how cluttered and
overwhelming they are. Just like our online help pages. They're full of
Wikipediababblespeak and not "to the point."

6. More guides on how to do events. I have developed checklists and so
forth for people. I know how much Wikimedians hate writing documentation,
but honestly, I know for a fact that Wikipedians in Residency's have
started because of the case study I wrote, I know for a fact GLAMs have
done content donations because of the case studies I write, and I know for
a fact that people have ready the case study I wrote about edit-a-thons and
learned from it and done it. I make powerpoints and post them and encourage
people to reuse them, and they do.

So making more shit for people to use that is awesome and usable and
quality and not full of babblespeak and such is helpful.

Those books that the education folks made were a great start, but those
appear to be specifically for education - I've never seen them at
edit-a-thons, but, I don't go to them very often these days.

Sarah Stierch



On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> You might be surprised how widely and how much Freenode is used for open
> source projects. The Blender main and dev channels were even more active
> than English Wikipedia's equivalents when I visited a few days ago.
> Pine
> On Aug 2, 2014 6:38 PM, "Michael J. Lowrey"  wrote:
>
>> IRC is almost embarrassingly old technology; Wikimedia Foundation
>> projects are the only place I've seen it mentioned in the last five
>> years or more.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>> > We already have #wikipedia-en-help which is remarkably good for a
>> volunteer
>> > help project. Links to join that IRC channel could be offered in
>> multiple
>> > places. Other languages may have similar channels.
>> >
>> > Pine
>> >
>> > On Aug 2, 2014 8:42 AM, "Jeremy Baron"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 2, 2014 11:01 AM, "LtPowers" 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > And then there could be a little chat window allowing real-time
>> >> > communication while the editor walks through her first edit.
>> >>
>> >> [originally didn't realize who you were replying to… also haven't read
>> the
>> >> whole thread yet]
>> >>
>> >> That is technically feasible. Maybe would have new implications for
>> >> privacy (including WMF privacy policy). Unless the realtime chats were
>> >> publicly logged. (then same privacy as existing teahouse, etc)
>> >>
>> >> Essentially would be a more interactive version of teahouse? (i.e.
>> shorter
>> >> wait for a reply and you're paired with someone that's known to be
>> available
>> >> at that moment) would be a part of teahouse?
>> >>
>> >> How would you staff it? Shifts?
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, that does nothing for the case Kathleen describes. 25 people

Re: [Gendergap] Sexualized environment on Commons

[Sarah Stierch]

Exactly. IRC is for the old school and ubergeek. And as Sue has said in the
past - we're only going to "retain" specific types of people to be long
term editors (ubergeeks like us) but, if we can figure out a solution to
help out the "average joe/sphine" editor...

then huzzah. That's what the Teahouse helped do, but what is the next step
to supporting people who haven't quite passed the barrier to "editing"
Wikipedia.

And expecting people to want to "join the ranks" through OTRS emails surely
isn't the ultimate goal..

-Sarah


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Michael J. Lowrey 
wrote:

> That's exactly my point, Pine. This kind of inside-baseball geekery is
> so much Choctaw to the ordinary new editor we are trying to recruit
> and retain, people more likely to be using Pinterest or Skype or
> Ravelry to communicate with peers and mentors.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> > You might be surprised how widely and how much Freenode is used for open
> > source projects. The Blender main and dev channels were even more active
> > than English Wikipedia's equivalents when I visited a few days ago.
> > Pine
> >
> > On Aug 2, 2014 6:38 PM, "Michael J. Lowrey" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> IRC is almost embarrassingly old technology; Wikimedia Foundation
> >> projects are the only place I've seen it mentioned in the last five
> >> years or more.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> >> > We already have #wikipedia-en-help which is remarkably good for a
> >> > volunteer
> >> > help project. Links to join that IRC channel could be offered in
> >> > multiple
> >> > places. Other languages may have similar channels.
> >> >
> >> > Pine
> >> >
> >> > On Aug 2, 2014 8:42 AM, "Jeremy Baron"  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Aug 2, 2014 11:01 AM, "LtPowers" 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > And then there could be a little chat window allowing real-time
> >> >> > communication while the editor walks through her first edit.
> >> >>
> >> >> [originally didn't realize who you were replying to… also haven't
> read
> >> >> the
> >> >> whole thread yet]
> >> >>
> >> >> That is technically feasible. Maybe would have new implications for
> >> >> privacy (including WMF privacy policy). Unless the realtime chats
> were
> >> >> publicly logged. (then same privacy as existing teahouse, etc)
> >> >>
> >> >> Essentially would be a more interactive version of teahouse? (i.e.
> >> >> shorter
> >> >> wait for a reply and you're paired with someone that's known to be
> >> >> available
> >> >> at that moment) would be a part of teahouse?
> >> >>
> >> >> How would you staff it? Shifts?
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyway, that does nothing for the case Kathleen describes. 25 people
> >> >> (20f:5m) in a class and everyone getting that introduction to all
> >> >> things
> >> >> wiki. Then 7 stay active for a year including all the men. (and only
> 2
> >> >> of
> >> >> the 20 women)
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm leaning towards thinking we as a community should (for now) focus
> >> >> more
> >> >> on the retention gap than the recruitment gap. Then we're not
> >> >> recruiting
> >> >> people just to (mostly) lose them in a month or two. But would be
> >> >> interested
> >> >> to hear thoughts on that from someone with a more rigorous analysis.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Jeremy (jeremyb)
> >> >>
> >> >> P.S. http://www.onthemedia.org/story/31-race-swap-experiment/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ___
> >> >> Gendergap mailing list
> >> >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > ___
> >> > Gendergap mailing list
> >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
> >>
> >> "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food
> >> and clothes."
> >>  --  Desiderius Erasmus
> >>
> >> ___
> >> Gendergap mailing list
> >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Gendergap mailing list
> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
>
> "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food
> and clothes."
>  --  Desiderius Erasmus
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Visiting the Feminist library in London

[Sarah Stierch]

Sounds like a great opportunity - don't forget to take pictures for Commons
:)

-Sarah


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Sanja Pavlović <
sanja.pavlo...@vikimedija.org> wrote:

> Hi, everyone!
>
> For all of you who are in London for Wikimania - I would very like to meet
> you all :) I look forward the lunch we will have on Saturday!
>
> Some girls and me were thinking about visiting the Feminist library while
> we are here:
> http://feministlibrary.co.uk/
>
> Unfortunately, they are not open during August, but fortunately, they are
> able to book some visit and to show us the place if we ask them by email :)
> So, I was wondering, if some of you are interested in going there, maybe
> we can all go together.
> Please, get in touch with me if you are interested, and I will try to
> contact the Library and choose the day.
>
> In the same occasion, maybe we can also visit the Women's Library at LSE:
>
> http://www.lse.ac.uk/library/collections/featuredCollections/womensLibraryLSE/Womens-Library-at-LSE-bid-brochure.pdf
>
>
>
> Happy to hear from you,
>
>
> Sanja
>
> Wikimedia Serbia
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Do male editors "Man up" to take pain of editing?

[Sarah Stierch]

Awesome post Carol +1

I'm re-reading Jittberbug Perfume right now, in fact. (with a character
inspired by Mr. Leary).

-Sarah


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

>  On 8/6/2014 2:34 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Carol Moore dc  
>  wrote:
>
>  Reading through a 2011 post by a woman who quit because she "didn't need the
> grief" I was thinking about why guys keep editing despite it.  And it
> occurred to me men are taught to "take the pain", "pretend it doesn't hurt",
> "man up".
>
>  While I readily admit that that is the kind of bullshit masculinity I
> was raised in, as a Wikipedian I persevere more in the "nil
> desperandum" sentiment that has sustained so many of my fellow Quakers
> and Wobblies to persist in the face of persecution and even murder.
> You do the right thing, and keep doing the right thing as long as the
> breath is in your body, because it is the right thing to do.
>
>  Definitely a "higher consciousness" response.  As I just wrote on Jimbo
> Wales page in reaction to another women editor who detailed the same
> experiences I've had editing in controversial areas (and put in a box on my
> Carolmooredc user page called Changing Wikipedia's "Mad Dog" Culture:
>
> I totally agree with your experience, since I also edit controversial
> topics. I was watching two male dogs on the each side of two neighbors'
> fence the other day who spend at least an hour a day patrolling their side
> and peeing on each others' pee. A visiting female dog came up to the fence
> and started to pee and they both went nuts and scared her off. Here some
> yell CUNT or other obscene words (in a perfectly innocent fashion, of
> course) to scare off women. Luckily for them women choose not to reply with
> words that would wither their kilts in a second. (Tempting as it might be.)
> We seem to forget that humans have both an upper brain (the cerebrum) which
> is relatively rational and a lower brain (the brainstem and cerebellum)
> that deals with automatic and unconscious functions. I like to think that
> humans can choose not to act like dogs automatically peeing all over
> territory they think is theres and driving out any females. Of course,
> that's more difficult in a culture that is riddled with patriarchal and
> violent attitudes and entertainment, teaching young males and some females
> to act like mad dogs. It would be nice if Wikipedia was a place that
> totally transcends - yes for weeks at a time - the lower brain "mad dog"
> modus operandi. (end)
> ==
> This really is the meaning of "consciousness raising". Us oldsters from
> the sixties and seventies were very much into transcending the big bad
> lower brain. (Tim Leary being an arch advocate of it.)  Now science acts as
> if it's all one big brain with little male and female sections. See even
> wikipedia's human brain article.
>
> The powers that be don't want us to know that we don't have to be violent
> barely conscious autamotons willing to live, work, kill and die for them,
> and other wise happy to get a meager paycheck, stuff our faces with junk
> food and watch tv.
>
> The word "self-actualization" which was our mantra is now a joke word.
> It's like we're living in a "hip" version of the 1950s all over again, but
> with lots of rules and regulations to enforce political correctness and
> give all power to the politicians so they can keep most of us - and
> especially the young males - living barely above a lower brain level.
>
> Yes, we old hippies did know something :-)
>
> CM
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Men's rights v feminists on Wikipedia in Washington Post

[Sarah Stierch]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/08/04/mens-rights-activists-think-a-hateful-feminist-conspiracy-is-ruining-wikipedia/

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] [Wikitech-l] [EE] IRC web client for Wikipedia help

[Sarah Stierch]

pine when you say "plenty' of people what does that constitute? Does anyone
actually track how many needy people come into IRC - let alone those who
can't pass the threshold of typing into the chat box?

Data is a way to convince people of the need or demand and to spend time
investing in IRC. One reason why the Teahouse is so success is because
people do not have to leave the wiki to find help. That's one no no in
business...

I noticed that WMF staff are less interactive on this mailing list these
days, for months actually.

So who knows if anyone with "influence" is paying attention to this.

Sarah
On Aug 12, 2014 7:44 AM, "Emily Monroe"  wrote:

> I often help out at en-help. Often, people who are new at IRC need to be
> told where to type. I would think this would qualify as "failing hard".
>
> From,
> Emily
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Pine W  wrote:
>
>> That proposal could be considered in the long term, but right now we have
>> plenty of people who seek and get help on IRC, and we can make incremental
>> improvements to their experience faster than we can build a new tool from
>> scratch. Few newbies fail hard at IRC. The basics are similar to texting
>> and private instant messaging software. Let's improve the newbie user
>> experience.
>>
>> Pine
>> On Aug 11, 2014 1:48 PM, "Nathan"  wrote:
>>
>>> Newbies are going to fail hard at IRC. Pretty much all of the questions
>>> Seb
>>> poses for a built-in newbie chat still exist with a built-in Freenode
>>> interface, with the addition of a complicated and often difficult (not to
>>> mention culturally... unique) environment. Much better to think along the
>>> lines of the Teahouse, but live. You can jump into a chat queue, and
>>> people
>>> who want to help chat with you, and you can close the chat whenever you
>>> want, and you can't contact people outside of the queue using chat.
>>> ___
>>> Wikitech-l mailing list
>>> wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] [Wikitech-l] [EE] IRC web client for Wikipedia help

[Sarah Stierch]

Cynicism can be a powerful tool. And you aren't the first person to tell a
shitstarter like me that ;-)

But seriously - its challenging for all of us when I feel like our concerns
aren't being considered. So take that as you will. We don't get emails from
UX folks on this list anymoreI wish we did. I feel like WMF employees
dropped off this list as contributors as staff (not volunteers like Kaldari
and Swalling - they seem to write here more as volunteers than staff) after
I lost my job and Sue left. I always feel like people forget there are a
lot of changemakers and passionate people on this list.

We had to prove the need for the Teahouse with data. The community did not
want us to Implement it without proof of need and data on how this type of
project was able to change things. I do this daily with my job in grant
writing and evaluation - I have to show proof that someone needs to spend
money on whatever my nonprofit clients want.

So it's not cynicism in that regard - if we want to show "the community"
and WMF that there is a problem and a change needs to occur and we have the
data perhaps people will invest time and money in IRC and other things.

We need to prove that there is a demand for IRC help and that newbies are
failing to get oriented with it. I know there are problems with it...but
knowing is not proving.

Proof is in the pudding and we need some tasty pudding to get people to pay
attention :)

Sarah

I
On Aug 12, 2014 10:19 AM, "Pine W"  wrote:

> Sarah, the cynicism in your comment is depressing and unnecessary. I don't
> think I can convince you of the value of incremental change so I'm not
> going to try.
>
> Pine
> On Aug 12, 2014 7:49 AM, "Sarah Stierch"  wrote:
>
>> pine when you say "plenty' of people what does that constitute? Does
>> anyone actually track how many needy people come into IRC - let alone those
>> who can't pass the threshold of typing into the chat box?
>>
>> Data is a way to convince people of the need or demand and to spend time
>> investing in IRC. One reason why the Teahouse is so success is because
>> people do not have to leave the wiki to find help. That's one no no in
>> business...
>>
>> I noticed that WMF staff are less interactive on this mailing list these
>> days, for months actually.
>>
>> So who knows if anyone with "influence" is paying attention to this.
>>
>> Sarah
>> On Aug 12, 2014 7:44 AM, "Emily Monroe"  wrote:
>>
>>> I often help out at en-help. Often, people who are new at IRC need to be
>>> told where to type. I would think this would qualify as "failing hard".
>>>
>>> From,
>>> Emily
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Pine W  wrote:
>>>
>>>> That proposal could be considered in the long term, but right now we
>>>> have plenty of people who seek and get help on IRC, and we can make
>>>> incremental improvements to their experience faster than we can build a new
>>>> tool from scratch. Few newbies fail hard at IRC. The basics are similar to
>>>> texting and private instant messaging software. Let's improve the newbie
>>>> user experience.
>>>>
>>>> Pine
>>>> On Aug 11, 2014 1:48 PM, "Nathan"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Newbies are going to fail hard at IRC. Pretty much all of the
>>>>> questions Seb
>>>>> poses for a built-in newbie chat still exist with a built-in Freenode
>>>>> interface, with the addition of a complicated and often difficult (not
>>>>> to
>>>>> mention culturally... unique) environment. Much better to think along
>>>>> the
>>>>> lines of the Teahouse, but live. You can jump into a chat queue, and
>>>>> people
>>>>> who want to help chat with you, and you can close the chat whenever you
>>>>> want, and you can't contact people outside of the queue using chat.
>>>>> ___
>>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list
>>>>> wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ___
>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>
>>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] [Wikitech-l] [EE] IRC web client for Wikipedia help

[Sarah Stierch]

Here here, I am often enthralled by folks in the "community" who seem to
know what's best but rarely participate in helping the people they seek to
help (newbies).

There's a lot of that though :) 80/20 rule ;)

This conversation motivated me to join back in at the Teahouse. But darn,
people answer questions so quickly I'm not much help (yet) :)

-Sarah


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Emily Monroe 
wrote:

> On top of that, it seems that you, Pine, are very enthusiastic about
> directing people to #wikipedia-en-help, therefore increasing the burden on
> helpers, but you are often not a helper yourself.
>
> From,
> Emily
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
>
>> Cynicism can be a powerful tool. And you aren't the first person to tell
>> a shitstarter like me that ;-)
>>
>> But seriously - its challenging for all of us when I feel like our
>> concerns aren't being considered. So take that as you will. We don't get
>> emails from UX folks on this list anymoreI wish we did. I feel like WMF
>> employees dropped off this list as contributors as staff (not volunteers
>> like Kaldari and Swalling - they seem to write here more as volunteers than
>> staff) after I lost my job and Sue left. I always feel like people forget
>> there are a lot of changemakers and passionate people on this list.
>>
>> We had to prove the need for the Teahouse with data. The community did
>> not want us to Implement it without proof of need and data on how this type
>> of project was able to change things. I do this daily with my job in grant
>> writing and evaluation - I have to show proof that someone needs to spend
>> money on whatever my nonprofit clients want.
>>
>> So it's not cynicism in that regard - if we want to show "the community"
>> and WMF that there is a problem and a change needs to occur and we have the
>> data perhaps people will invest time and money in IRC and other things.
>>
>> We need to prove that there is a demand for IRC help and that newbies are
>> failing to get oriented with it. I know there are problems with it...but
>> knowing is not proving.
>>
>> Proof is in the pudding and we need some tasty pudding to get people to
>> pay attention :)
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> I
>> On Aug 12, 2014 10:19 AM, "Pine W"  wrote:
>>
>>> Sarah, the cynicism in your comment is depressing and unnecessary. I
>>> don't think I can convince you of the value of incremental change so I'm
>>> not going to try.
>>>
>>> Pine
>>> On Aug 12, 2014 7:49 AM, "Sarah Stierch" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> pine when you say "plenty' of people what does that constitute? Does
>>>> anyone actually track how many needy people come into IRC - let alone those
>>>> who can't pass the threshold of typing into the chat box?
>>>>
>>>> Data is a way to convince people of the need or demand and to spend
>>>> time investing in IRC. One reason why the Teahouse is so success is because
>>>> people do not have to leave the wiki to find help. That's one no no in
>>>> business...
>>>>
>>>> I noticed that WMF staff are less interactive on this mailing list
>>>> these days, for months actually.
>>>>
>>>> So who knows if anyone with "influence" is paying attention to this.
>>>>
>>>> Sarah
>>>> On Aug 12, 2014 7:44 AM, "Emily Monroe" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I often help out at en-help. Often, people who are new at IRC need to
>>>>> be told where to type. I would think this would qualify as "failing hard".
>>>>>
>>>>> From,
>>>>> Emily
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Pine W  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That proposal could be considered in the long term, but right now we
>>>>>> have plenty of people who seek and get help on IRC, and we can make
>>>>>> incremental improvements to their experience faster than we can build a 
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> tool from scratch. Few newbies fail hard at IRC. The basics are similar 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> texting and private instant messaging software. Let's improve the newbie
>>>>>> user experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pine
>>>>>> On

[Gendergap] Fwd: [GLAM-US] Open Call for Individual Engagement Grant Proposals

[Sarah Stierch]

FYI
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Jake Orlowitz" 
Date: Sep 2, 2014 10:35 AM
Subject: [GLAM-US] Open Call for Individual Engagement Grant Proposals
To: "North American Cultural Partnerships" ,
"Wikimedia & Libraries" , <
wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org>, , <
wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org>, , <
common...@lists.wikimedia.org>, , <
cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch>
Cc:

Greetings! The Wikimedia Foundation Individual Engagement Grants program is
accepting proposals for funding new experiments from September 1st to 30th.


Your idea can improve Wikimedia projects by building a new tool or gadget,
organizing a better process on your wiki, conducting research on an
important issue, or providing other support for community-building. Whether
you need $200 or $30,000 USD, Individual Engagement Grants can cover your
own project development time in addition to funding for a team to help you.
The program has a flexible schedule and reporting structure, and
Grantmaking staff are there to support you through all stages of the
process.

Do you have have a good idea, but you are worried that it isn’t developed
enough for a grant?  Put it into the IdeaLab, where volunteers and staff
can give you advice and guidance on how to bring it to life. <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab>  Also, IEG will be hosting
three Hangout Sessions for real-time discussions to help you make your
proposal better - the first will happen on September 16th. <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Events#Upcoming_events>

For inspiration, you can read more about past projects that received
funding  or
review open proposals <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG#ieg-reviewing>. We are excited
to see some of the new ways your grant ideas can support our community and
make an impact on the future of Wikimedia projects.

Submit your proposal in September!


Warm regards,
Ocaasi and the IEG Committee

___
GLAM-US mailing list
glam...@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam-us
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi. Some people can't speak up about what happened for legal reasons.

I do think there is a double standard. But I have before my involvement in
wiki. Living in the US it's a way of life.

Some women who were impacted by those posts were harassed by people
involved way prior to making their own minor and harmless in the end game
errors which got them "in trouble." Women just did not take action or make
it public. No one should have to post on a public website that they have
been sexually harassed to get help. And "bad people on the internet are
common" is the general response.

There are also male staff members who did things considered illegal in the
US courts who still have their jobs (some don't work there anymore but it
shocked many of us women they were allowed to stay so long given their
behaviors). Amazing how that works.

But, some of us can't and are afraid to talk about it. Some of us just want
closure but the trolls and internet won't give it to us. (And it's not just
me...)

And no I am not elaborating on or offlist. So don't ask. I gave up fighting
after I lost my job. So I commend those who still care.

I love the Twitter feed, by the way.

Sarah
On Sep 10, 2014 8:41 AM, "Nathan"  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Carol Moore dc 
> wrote:
>
>>  On 9/9/2014 7:51 PM, LB wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to keep at it, for now. Honestly, I'm tired of it being a
>> mostly internally discussed problem... Perhaps I'll change my mind at some
>> point, but that's my thinking on it at this time.
>>
>>  Lightbreather
>>
>> You are braver than I!  On the other hand this is what
>> [[User:Jayen466|Andreas]]  wrote when I complained the woman editor was
>> being harassed off line:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Criticising the quality of an editor's work, whether here or
>> elsewhere, is not harassment. This is not a private project, but a public
>> one, with a significant impact on public life. Any such public project
>> should be prepared to be criticised. If someone writes nonsense in a
>> science article read and relied on by a million people a year, that is a
>> matter of public interest, just like stories like
>> [http://twkozlowski.net/the-pot-and-the-kettle-the-wikimedia-way/
>>  this],
>> [http://twkozlowski.net/paid-editing-thrives-in-the-heart-of-wikipedia/
>> 
>> this],
>> [http://www.salon.com/2013/05/17/revenge_ego_and_the_corruption_of_wikipedia/
>> 
>> this],
>> [http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/is-the-pr-industry-buying-influence-over-wikipedia
>> 
>> this] or
>> [http://www.dailydot.com/politics/croatian-wikipedia-fascist-takeover-controversy-right-wing/
>> 
>> this]. If you would like to curtail editors' freedom to speak out about
>> Wikipedia's failings in public, this in itself will be a media story, and
>> rightly so. Such ideas belong to places like Azerbaijan and North Korea. 
>> *Thus
>> one would think quoting nasty sexist things, especially when an editor's
>> name not mentioned should be ok. This really was a test case, wasn't it?
>> (Or not in a community that still applies double standards to male vs.
>> female actions.)
>>
>> Here's the link to the ANI in question:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive835#Harassment
>>
>>
>>
> Where were the sexist comments? The user complaining of harassment and the
> user accused of harassment were both women, and I see no comments about
> gender in either the AN/I or the extensive editor review. The harassment
> complained of was the persistence of an editor in following another editor
> around and pointing out errors in many of her articles, and the
> argumentative and derisive attitude of the first towards the latter.
> Andreas' point is that criticism, by itself, is not harassment. Many agreed
> with the criticism but advised the critic that she needed an attitude
> adjustment. At that point she disengaged.
>
> So it's a problem when we conflate circumstances which do not implicate
> gender or sexism with those that do. Calling this an example of sexism
> muddies the waters, particularly when there are many examples that are
> perfectly clear cut.  It *is* an example of the hassle and angry debate
> involved in contributing to Wikipedia, though, and I can certainly see how
> that would drive all sorts of people away from the project.
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
ht

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

[Sarah Stierch]

Thanks Nathan. I do concur that harassment to the level myself, Carol and
other very active outspoken women have experienced on/off wiki is not the
standard experience for every woman who lines up to click edit.

It sucks that it happens. But I also always remind people - unless you are
editing controversial subjects or pose a direct threat to the patriarchy
you won't get messed with. Or at least not much.

Just keep your head down and write about knitting and women scientists. You
will be "just fine..."

(With slight sarcasm :)

Sarah
On Sep 10, 2014 9:09 AM, "Nathan"  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi. Some people can't speak up about what happened for legal reasons.
>>
>> I do think there is a double standard. But I have before my involvement
>> in wiki. Living in the US it's a way of life.
>>
>> Some women who were impacted by those posts were harassed by people
>> involved way prior to making their own minor and harmless in the end game
>> errors which got them "in trouble." Women just did not take action or make
>> it public. No one should have to post on a public website that they have
>> been sexually harassed to get help. And "bad people on the internet are
>> common" is the general response.
>>
>> There are also male staff members who did things considered illegal in
>> the US courts who still have their jobs (some don't work there anymore but
>> it shocked many of us women they were allowed to stay so long given their
>> behaviors). Amazing how that works.
>>
>> But, some of us can't and are afraid to talk about it. Some of us just
>> want closure but the trolls and internet won't give it to us. (And it's not
>> just me...)
>>
>> And no I am not elaborating on or offlist. So don't ask. I gave up
>> fighting after I lost my job. So I commend those who still care.
>>
>> I love the Twitter feed, by the way.
>>
>> Sarah
>> On Sep 10, 2014 8:41 AM, "Nathan"  wrote
>>
>
>
> Hi Sarah, I'm sorry if I was unclear. I was understanding Carol as saying
> that there were sexist comments in the ANI she linked (where Andreas'
> quoted comment was found). I read the entire AN/I thread and the editor
> review and found none.
>
> Of course I realize that there are many, many instances of terrible sexual
> harassment on the Internet and throughout the history of Wikipedia. My
> point about muddying the waters is that these examples are enough to
> convince anyone open to being convinced that there is a problem. It is
> unnecessary to attach these real issues to examples that don't reflect
> sexism or gender-related harassment.
>
> That said, even though I don't see sexism or gender in the example, it is
> a good example of the spiteful, bitter, battlefield atmosphere that
> characterizes disputes on Wikipedia.
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

[Sarah Stierch]

I agree. But, it hasn't been serving those women who don't very well. The
NFL is appearing to have a better track record right now than the Wikimedia
community... in handling harassers and that's not saying much at all :)

Sarah

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:36 AM, LB  wrote:

> And of course, that is the nub of the problem. Women shouldn't have to
> keep their heads down and write about acceptable and uncontroversial things
> to avoid getting harassed. (Also, I'm not sure even editing women
> scientists would be safe.)
>
> Lightbreather
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Nathan. I do concur that harassment to the level myself, Carol and
>> other very active outspoken women have experienced on/off wiki is not the
>> standard experience for every woman who lines up to click edit.
>>
>> It sucks that it happens. But I also always remind people - unless you
>> are editing controversial subjects or pose a direct threat to the
>> patriarchy you won't get messed with. Or at least not much.
>>
>> Just keep your head down and write about knitting and women scientists.
>> You will be "just fine..."
>>
>> (With slight sarcasm :)
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>
> ___________
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] sex work

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi everyone,

I've been tweeted at to help some people about "sex work" on Wikipedia. I
don't have the capacity to support them at this point in my life. The last
person I knew working in that realm on WP was Cindamuse

https://twitter.com/nottobeblamed/status/517695123769942016

And of course the first thing I do is fail to point them in the direction
of the right WikiProject they can find help.

Can someone please help? I sincerely appreciate it. Thank you.
-Sarah (aka Missvain)

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] WikiWomen's Collaborative Social Media + some other stuff

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi everyone,

I've been feeling inspired (!!!) and have started re-maintaining the
WikiWomen's Collaborative Twitter and Facebook. Despite my excessive
bitterness, hahaha, I'm really missing the camaraderie and work that I was
doing to engage a more diverse audience in participating in the free
knowledge movement.

Feel free to e-mail me off list if there are events, blog posts, press
coverage, or "calls to action" you'd like me to post. I'll post in any
language as long as there is also an English translation. If you already
are a maintainer of either the page or Twitter, feel free to post.

On Facebook we now have over 1,000 likes, and on Twitter we have 1,189
followers. You can find the two accounts here:

https://twitter.com/wikiwomen

https://www.facebook.com/WikiWomensCollaborative

Like and follow us!



On a personal note, ever since Adrianne and Cindamuse died and I earned my
"outsider within a group of outsiders" status in January I haven't had the
motivation to contribute to the two areas of work that I deeply care about
in this "world" of free knowledge - women's engagement and GLAM. I'm trying
to change that in myself, and not letting the men who tore me down get me
down (or the mistakes that I have made in the past).

For the past few months I've been contributing to WikiVoyage and Wikidata
and I changed my username (back to my old username). No one notices me..
it's quiet.

I'm even thinking about putting my feelers out for public speaking and
workshops again, but, I might be a bad apple no one wants to hear from
anymore :) As long as funding is available, I am very open minded to
opportunities. If you hear of anything, or know of anyone looking to hear
someone speak about lessons learned, the experiences had, evaluation
practices, grantwriting, how revolution can and continues to take place in
this community, or you just want a kick ass facilitator for your
edit-a-thon let me know...

<3

Thanks everyone, I appreciate it and the work you are all doing to change
the world.

Sarah

-- 

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] The Block Bot for Twitter

[Sarah Stierch]

I saw this Tweeted out by Valerie Aurora and signed myself up - I get a lot
of attacks and spammy jerks frequently..

Some of you might also! It only takes a minute to sign up:

http://www.theblockbot.com/sign_up/index.php


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Update: Re: Polish Wikipedia Monument shows only men

[Sarah Stierch]

According to Polish women participants on the WikiWomen's Collaborative
Facebook, this has been a source of frustration and has been discussed by
the Polish community. Originally, there were going to be to female and two
male figures, but, that was..scrapped for whatever reason.

We've had a lot of lively discussion on it via Facebook!

https://www.facebook.com/WikiWomensCollaborative

-Sarah

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

>  I thought it was going up a year from now, but it's this October, so a
> bit late. But hopefully they have or ''will have'' a plaque mentioning
> women editors. Actually, it's probably best that Polish Wikipedia women
> editors approach whom so ever.
>
> But for the heck of it, I found the Polish article on the statue and asked
> the question on the talk page, using my best Google Translate polish. :-)
>
> [https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyskusja:Pomnik_Wikipedii
>
> I see there is a Polish Gender gap project but don't have energy right now
> to see what their input was,
> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiprojekt:Gender_Studies
>
> Better late than never noticed a Polish Gender studies group so  left
> message there too.
>
> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyskusja_wikiprojektu:Gender_Studies#Pomnik_Wikipedii.3F
>
> CM
>
>
> On 10/10/2014 2:04 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote:
>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/10/09/polish-town-to-have-monument-honoring-wikipedia/?intcmp=obmod_ffo&intcmp=obnetwork
> "Polish town to have monument honoring Wikipedia"
>
> The lack of anatomical precision did confuse me a bit as to whether male
> or female.  Others pointed out narrow hips and broad shoulders indicated
> male. But this is Catholic Poland. Not Dutch Amsterdam or Venice Italy. So
> of course they aren't going to show the explicit sexual details.
>
> * Perhaps the Wikipedia Powers that Be could write a nice letter
> explaining how they should have at least one woman in there? That would be
> really great!*
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing 
> listGendergap@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Ada Lovelace event in Bangalore - participate IRL or online!

[Sarah Stierch]

It starts today (Oct 11)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Bangalore/Ada_Lovelace_Edit-a-thon_2014

if you find yourself in bangalore you can probably still register...

Or participate online!

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Update: Re: Polish Wikipedia Monument shows only men

[Sarah Stierch]

Ha ha, that's a great idea.

Group Halloween costume anyone? :)

-Sar

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Kerry Raymond 
wrote:

>   Solution. Get some women to put on bodysuits and bathing caps and
> photograph them holding up a large WP logo. Fix the details in Photoshop as
> required. Put the image on Commons, ask WP women to put it on their User
> page, share it with friends on social media, etc. Ensure this photo is more
> widely available than that of the actual statue.
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Sarah Stierch
> *Sent:* Saturday, 11 October 2014 5:00 AM
> *To:* Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
> participationof women within Wikimedia projects.
> *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Update: Re: Polish Wikipedia Monument shows
> only men
>
>
>
> According to Polish women participants on the WikiWomen's Collaborative
> Facebook, this has been a source of frustration and has been discussed by
> the Polish community. Originally, there were going to be to female and two
> male figures, but, that was..scrapped for whatever reason.
>
>
>
> We've had a lot of lively discussion on it via Facebook!
>
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/WikiWomensCollaborative
>
>
>
> -Sarah
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Carol Moore dc 
> wrote:
>
> I thought it was going up a year from now, but it's this October, so a bit
> late. But hopefully they have or ''will have'' a plaque mentioning women
> editors. Actually, it's probably best that Polish Wikipedia women editors
> approach whom so ever.
>
> But for the heck of it, I found the Polish article on the statue and asked
> the question on the talk page, using my best Google Translate polish. :-)
>
> [https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyskusja:Pomnik_Wikipedii
>
> I see there is a Polish Gender gap project but don't have energy right now
> to see what their input was,
> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiprojekt:Gender_Studies
>
> Better late than never noticed a Polish Gender studies group so  left
> message there too.
>
> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyskusja_wikiprojektu:Gender_Studies#Pomnik_Wikipedii.3F
>
> CM
>
>
> On 10/10/2014 2:04 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote:
>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/10/09/polish-town-to-have-monument-honoring-wikipedia/?intcmp=obmod_ffo&intcmp=obnetwork
> "Polish town to have monument honoring Wikipedia"
>
> The lack of anatomical precision did confuse me a bit as to whether male
> or female.  Others pointed out narrow hips and broad shoulders indicated
> male. But this is Catholic Poland. Not Dutch Amsterdam or Venice Italy.
> So of course they aren't going to show the explicit sexual details.
>
> * Perhaps the Wikipedia Powers that Be could write a nice letter
> explaining how they should have at least one woman in there? That would be
> really great!*
>
>
>  _______
>
> Gendergap mailing list
>
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sarah Stierch
>
> -
>
> Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.
>
> www.sarahstierch.com
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Update: Re: Polish Wikipedia Monument shows only men

[Sarah Stierch]

Great Natalia!

We cannot wait to see the pictures and hear your inspection notes :)

-Sarah

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Natalia  wrote:

> I'm not sure if it is really going to show only men. According to these
> pictures (illustrating an article about the factory where the monument is
> being prepared so it seems quite reliable) there are going to be 2 female
> figures.
>
> http://www.strefabiznesu.gazetalubuska.pl/artykul/w-nowosolskim-malpolu-powstaje-pierwszy-na-swiecie-pomnik-wikipedii
> The original project also included two women. So there is hope :)
>
> I'm going to attend the unveiling as an official representative of
> Wikimedia Poland so I will do an on-site inspection and I will let you know
> ;)
>
> 2014-10-11 4:27 GMT+02:00 Sarah Stierch :
>
>> Ha ha, that's a great idea.
>>
>> Group Halloween costume anyone? :)
>>
>> -Sar
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Kerry Raymond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   Solution. Get some women to put on bodysuits and bathing caps and
>>> photograph them holding up a large WP logo. Fix the details in Photoshop as
>>> required. Put the image on Commons, ask WP women to put it on their User
>>> page, share it with friends on social media, etc. Ensure this photo is more
>>> widely available than that of the actual statue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>
>>> *From:* gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
>>> gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Sarah Stierch
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 11 October 2014 5:00 AM
>>> *To:* Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
>>> participationof women within Wikimedia projects.
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Update: Re: Polish Wikipedia Monument shows
>>> only men
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> According to Polish women participants on the WikiWomen's Collaborative
>>> Facebook, this has been a source of frustration and has been discussed by
>>> the Polish community. Originally, there were going to be to female and two
>>> male figures, but, that was..scrapped for whatever reason.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We've had a lot of lively discussion on it via Facebook!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/WikiWomensCollaborative
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Sarah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Carol Moore dc <
>>> carolmoor...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought it was going up a year from now, but it's this October, so a
>>> bit late. But hopefully they have or ''will have'' a plaque mentioning
>>> women editors. Actually, it's probably best that Polish Wikipedia women
>>> editors approach whom so ever.
>>>
>>> But for the heck of it, I found the Polish article on the statue and
>>> asked the question on the talk page, using my best Google Translate polish.
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> [https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyskusja:Pomnik_Wikipedii
>>>
>>> I see there is a Polish Gender gap project but don't have energy right
>>> now to see what their input was,
>>> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiprojekt:Gender_Studies
>>>
>>> Better late than never noticed a Polish Gender studies group so  left
>>> message there too.
>>>
>>> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyskusja_wikiprojektu:Gender_Studies#Pomnik_Wikipedii.3F
>>>
>>> CM
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2014 2:04 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/10/09/polish-town-to-have-monument-honoring-wikipedia/?intcmp=obmod_ffo&intcmp=obnetwork
>>> "Polish town to have monument honoring Wikipedia"
>>>
>>> The lack of anatomical precision did confuse me a bit as to whether male
>>> or female.  Others pointed out narrow hips and broad shoulders indicated
>>> male. But this is Catholic Poland. Not Dutch Amsterdam or Venice Italy.
>>> So of course they aren't going to show the explicit sexual details.
>>>
>>> * Perhaps the Wikipedia Powers that Be could write a nice letter
>>> explaining how they should have at least one woman in there? That would be
>>> really great!*
>>>
>>>
>>>  ___
>>>
>>> Gendergap mail

[Gendergap] Need help - German/English WikiWomen's Collab post

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi -

I need some help! I'm hoping a German participant on this list can
translate a Facebook post and a Tweet for me so I can promote a German
edit-a-thon in English and German. Please contact me off list if you can!

If you offer translation in other languages please let me know, I want to
make sure I make event and news posts multilingual whenever possible.

Thanks,

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] And on that note - if you have an event or gender gap/women related news from your country/langauge

[Sarah Stierch]

Please let me know. I know WikiWomen's Collab is rather Englishlanguagey
but in the past I have tried to expand it beyond just that, so:

1) If you post about an event on this mailing list, I'll post it to the
Facebook/Twitter for WikiWomen's Collab

2) You can also send me links to the events/news/whatever with translations
in YOUR language AND in English so I can then send out Facebook and Twitter
posts in both languages to expand reach.

We also want to post photos to Facebook, so be sure to post your event
pictures up on Commons and send them to me so I can post them. People love
photos, and they tag their friends and share them...

Thanks,

Sarah

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Update: Re: Polish Wikipedia Monument shows only men

[Sarah Stierch]

WOOHOo!

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Natalia  wrote:

> I have just recived an e-mail from the organizers of the unveiling. They
> assured me that two of the figures are female. So no gender gap here :-)
> 11 paź 2014 20:05 "LB"  napisał(a):
>
>> If it be so... hallelujah!
>>
>>
>> Lightbreather
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Natalia  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure if it is really going to show only men. According to these
>>> pictures (illustrating an article about the factory where the monument is
>>> being prepared so it seems quite reliable) there are going to be 2 female
>>> figures.
>>>
>>> http://www.strefabiznesu.gazetalubuska.pl/artykul/w-nowosolskim-malpolu-powstaje-pierwszy-na-swiecie-pomnik-wikipedii
>>> The original project also included two women. So there is hope :)
>>>
>>> I'm going to attend the unveiling as an official representative of
>>> Wikimedia Poland so I will do an on-site inspection and I will let you know
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Edit-a-thon TONIGHT in Austin, Texas

[Sarah Stierch]

I just got word about this one...sorry it's so last minute. If you have
friends in Austin, Texas..!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Images_of_women_in_STEM_edit-a-thon_-_ArtScienceGallery

-Sarah

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] [Event] - Oct 22 at Bryn Mawr College in Pennsylvania

[Sarah Stierch]

Help write women in STEM into Wikipedia at this event!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup:Philadelphia/Bryn_Mawr_College/American_Archives_Month


if you want to share it on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/WikiWomensCollaborative/photos/a.407428595979727.96628.400091323380121/729622313760352/

or twitter:

https://twitter.com/WikiWomen/status/522422667186413569



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Theisen-Eaton and her Wikipedia page

[Sarah Stierch]

A news story about a track and field sportswoman. It only mentions
Wikipedia once, but it made me smile.

Made me smile because they talk about her Wikipedia page...

"In fact, Theisen-Eaton has her own Wikipedia page. While she said that it
doesn’t feel particularly weird, she does wonder who wrote it, and her
family and friends claim they’re not the culprit."

http://www.humboldtjournal.ca/article/20141015/HUMBOLDT0101/141019931/-1/humboldt01/theisen-eaton-on-health-competition-and-her-wikipedia-page


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] are ships sexist

[Sarah Stierch]

SRSLY (this is not a joke)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-10-15/Op-ed

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Fwd: fembot: Announcing a new pictorial digital women's history collection

[Sarah Stierch]

Fabulous collection of images, see below.
Most are public domain - meaning ripe for uploading to Commons :)

-- Forwarded message --
From: Carol Stabile 
Date: Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:11 PM
Subject: fembot: Announcing a new pictorial digital women's history
collection
To: media & technology collaboration gender 


Thought some of you would be interested in this.

best,

Carol A. Stabile, Professor
School of Journalism and Communication/Department of Women’s and Gender
Studies
University of Oregon
Editor, The Fembot Collective

>
> Dear WMST-Lers
>
> I am pleased to announce the availability of a wonderful online
collection of photographs of women’s everyday possessions in the 19th and
early 20th centuries, plus numerous digitized texts (magazines, books,
postcards, posters, and more) concerning women during that period. The
objects and printed works themselves were amassed by Dovie Horvitz, and
Illinois-based collector who hopes to find an institutional home for the
entire collection some day — perhaps the presence of the photographs and
digitized works will spark that interest. We hope so.
>
> Objects in the collection include clothing (dresses, hosiery, bustles,
garters, swimwear, undergarments, aprons, and more), accessories such as
shoes and boots, hats, gloves, purses, fans, handkerchiefs, furs, and
parasols; menstrual and other health products; cosmetic and grooming kits,
powders, and related make-up items; dresser sets (combs and brushes);
curling irons and other hair care devices; perfumes; boudoir pillow covers;
eye glasses; and exercise equipment. The printed matter includes numerous
women’s magazines, Sunday supplement illustrations, sheet music about
women, suffrage postcards, World War I and II posters, photographs of teen
parties, and pamphlets about sex, health, and menstruation. Page after page
of ad-filled women’s magazines, as well as packaging elements such as
hairnet envelopes, hosiery, handkerchief and hat boxes, constitute an
important part of the collection. Most of the material is American in
origin.
>
> The collection seems of most immediate interest to women’s history
classes, but American literature, communication arts (especially
marketing), medical history, design, and other fields should also find it
useful. It is also simply a pleasure to browse!
>
> Please pass this message along to others at your institution.
>
> The fully searchable and browsable  online collection homepage is
athttp://digital.library.wisc.edu/1711.dl/GenderStudies.DovieHorvitz
>
> An article about the collection is at
http://www.library.wisc.edu/news/2014/10/13/dovie-horvitz-collection-showcases-extraordinary-evolution-of-ordinary-women/
.
>
>
> Phyllis Holman Weisbard
> Women's Studies Librarian Emerita
> phwei...@wisc.edu

___
fembot mailing list
fem...@lists.uoregon.edu
https://lists-prod.uoregon.edu/mailman/listinfo/fembot



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: fembot: Announcing a new pictorial digital women's history collection

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi -

I actually professionally consult with GLAMs (galleries, libraries,
archives and museums) regarding the copyright of their images and the
content within them and how copyright works. I have worked with everyone
from the Smithsonian Institution to the Getty regarding opening their
cultural heritage materials.

To be brutally honest: the university can claim copyright over the
photographs of those images all they want but they will lose that case in a
court of law if the photograph is of an object that was created before
1923.

The news about these images has been disseminated in the Open Culture
(GLAM) community already, and they'll most likely end up being uploaded to
websites like Wikimedia Commons, with proper attribution of where they came
from (the university) but because the objects are public domain (1923 and
before) there will be little to nothing the university can do to control
that.

For example, a Wikipedia edit uploaded thousands of images from the
National Portrait Gallery in London. All of artworks in the public domain.
NPG tried to sue this editor (who is still an active editor). They failed -
it was determined that the case had no chance. Basically, a museum or
library can sit around and claim copyright over photographs of public
domain images all they want, but, they can't win in a court of law.[1]

So regardless, they'll end up on Commons eventually and be disseminated. I
can go on and on and on about this, it's my big passion - professionally
and personally.

-Sarah

[1]
http://www.dmlp.org/threats/national-portrait-gallery-v-coetzee#description

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Kerry Raymond 
wrote:

> Maybe I am missing something (USA copyright law is not my area of
> expertise) but I see recent photographs of old things, which would make the
> photos the copyright of Dovie Horvitz (who is described as the person who
> took the photos). If the copyright has been assigned to the university, the
> university's website asserts copyright over things in electronic format
> (which seems to cover anything on a website!).
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 22 Oct 2014, at 9:13 am, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
>
> Fabulous collection of images, see below.
> Most are public domain - meaning ripe for uploading to Commons :)
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Carol Stabile 
> Date: Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:11 PM
> Subject: fembot: Announcing a new pictorial digital women's history
> collection
> To: media & technology collaboration gender 
>
>
> Thought some of you would be interested in this.
>
> best,
>
> Carol A. Stabile, Professor
> School of Journalism and Communication/Department of Women’s and Gender
> Studies
> University of Oregon
> Editor, The Fembot Collective
>
> >
> > Dear WMST-Lers
> >
> > I am pleased to announce the availability of a wonderful online
> collection of photographs of women’s everyday possessions in the 19th and
> early 20th centuries, plus numerous digitized texts (magazines, books,
> postcards, posters, and more) concerning women during that period. The
> objects and printed works themselves were amassed by Dovie Horvitz, and
> Illinois-based collector who hopes to find an institutional home for the
> entire collection some day — perhaps the presence of the photographs and
> digitized works will spark that interest. We hope so.
> >
> > Objects in the collection include clothing (dresses, hosiery, bustles,
> garters, swimwear, undergarments, aprons, and more), accessories such as
> shoes and boots, hats, gloves, purses, fans, handkerchiefs, furs, and
> parasols; menstrual and other health products; cosmetic and grooming kits,
> powders, and related make-up items; dresser sets (combs and brushes);
> curling irons and other hair care devices; perfumes; boudoir pillow covers;
> eye glasses; and exercise equipment. The printed matter includes numerous
> women’s magazines, Sunday supplement illustrations, sheet music about
> women, suffrage postcards, World War I and II posters, photographs of teen
> parties, and pamphlets about sex, health, and menstruation. Page after page
> of ad-filled women’s magazines, as well as packaging elements such as
> hairnet envelopes, hosiery, handkerchief and hat boxes, constitute an
> important part of the collection. Most of the material is American in
> origin.
> >
> > The collection seems of most immediate interest to women’s history
> classes, but American literature, communication arts (especially
> marketing), medical history, design, and other fields should also find it
> useful. It is also simply a pleasure to browse!
> >
> > Please pass this message along to others at your institution.
> >
> > The fully searchable and browsable  online collection homep

[Gendergap] Essay by Bryce on how male Wikipedians can be better participants re: gender gap/women

[Sarah Stierch]

https://genderdesk.wordpress.com/category/bryce-peake/



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Study on Wikipedia's communication environment and gender gap

[Sarah Stierch]

That's a great question...even on the wikifeminism wikia wiki...we have NO
drama!

=)



On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Krystle  wrote:

> This is so interesting! I hadn't see it before. Thanks for sharing. Now
> I'm wondering what the overall emotional tone would amount to on wikiHow,
> in comparison...
>
> --
> Krystle
> Community Support
> http://www.wikihow.com/User:Krystle <http://www.wikihow.com/>
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM, o  wrote:
>
>> Apologies if this study has already been linked here.
>>
>> Barcelona Media studied emotion and dialogue on English Wikipedia article
>> talk pages and published the paper "Emotions under Discussion: Gender,
>> Status and Communication in Online Collaboration" in PLOS ONE. Among the
>> study's findings was that "female editors engage in relationship-oriented
>> speech that is conducive to a positive working environment."
>>
>> I believe their conclusions also reinforce some of the initiatives at the
>> Gender Gap Task Force. Particularly relevant is their conclusion that "our
>> results suggest that being able to involve more women and to give them more
>> space in the community would also result in a virtuous cycle of female
>> participation, through the creation of a communication environment where
>> they feel more comfortable."
>>
>> Link to open source article: <http://www.plosone.org/
>> article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0104880>
>>
>> Link to Spanish language news article: <http://www.lavanguardia.com/
>> vida/20141027/54417582364/las-mujeres-usan-mas-palabras-
>> sociales-y-son-mas-constructivas-en-discusiones.html>
>>
>> ~gobonobo
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Look who's in the paper!! :)

[Sarah Stierch]

The super awesome WikiWoman Christine Meyer is!

This is a most excellent article - thank you Christine for your ongoing
work!

http://www.inlander.com/spokane/writing-her-place/Content?oid=2372780

Sarah

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Percentage of articles about women artists vs # of articles about men, using Wikidata

[Sarah Stierch]

This is excellent Jane - and shows that the potential for creating
community (wikiprojects) can really help to improve content and experience
for all involved.

Also proud as a contributor about women artists =)

Thanks for sharing this!

-Sarah

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Hello,
> I am preparing some slides for the Dutch Wikiconference this Saturday and
> wanted to share some interesting data on female artists. This year I have
> been working on various museum collections of paintings, while continuing
> to work on painter biographies. I am a big user of the Dutch RKD database
> of artists, which Magnus has kindly placed in Mix-n-Match. Just using the
> matches I made and the automatic matches, it is now possible to see some
> interesting data on how artists are represented across wikis.
>
> The RKDartists database metadata was downloaded this year and contains
> 94,944 males and 60,282 females, or roughly 24% females, of which most were
> born after 1850. I have said before that part of the gendergap in the arts
> is caused by copyright issues (copyright-gap), and since most notable women
> artists were born after 1850, it would always appear that women are
> significantly less represented than men. The good news is that Wikimedia
> projects are much more welcoming to female artists than museum collections,
> where the percentage of women tends to be less than 3%. The data I have now
> shows that most Wikimedia projects have a percentage of women artist
> biographies that are well above 5%, or more than double what museums have
> on show.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Females_in_matched_RKDartists.jpg
>
> I gathered the data using autolist and various combinations of the queries
> below
> 1) claim[21:6581072] and claim[650]
> 2) claim[650] and link[enwiki]
>
> I assume similar results could be seen for the Joconde database, which I
> may do later.
>
> Best,
> Jane
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] New wikipedia group for Los Angeles

[Sarah Stierch]

On Facebook..started by a WikiWoman... yahoo

https://www.facebook.com/groups/869710869719333/

If you're interested in what's happening in LA or you LIVE in LA, join the
group!

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Fwd: [Adacamp Alumni] The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

[Sarah Stierch]

There you go!

-- Forwarded message --
From: Netha Hussain 
Date: Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 10:40 AM
Subject: [Adacamp Alumni] The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new
Board member
To: adacamp-alu...@lists.adainitiative.org



Dear all,

  Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit that operates Wikipedia and its
sister projects, is looking for a new board member. Half of the members of
this board are currently women [1]. Being a volunteer at Wikimedia
interested in involving more women in administrative areas of open tech,
I'd love to see yet another woman getting selected to the Board.

 If you know someone who might find this job interesting, please nominate
them to the Board of Trustees. Or better, if you are interested in joining
the board, nominate yourself!

[1]https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Board_of_Trustees

 Thanks

Regards
Netha



-- Forwarded message --
From: Maria Sefidari 
Date: Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 4:39 AM
Subject: [Wikimedia Announcements] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of
Trustees is looking for a new Board member
To: wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org


Dear all,

The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees is currently looking for an
additional appointed trustee to fill the seat currently held by Bishakha
Datta, who has announced that she plans to step down at the end of her term
in December 2014. The Board Governance Committee is leading the search to
fill the position on behalf of the Board. Please spread the word to those
you would like to see on the Board!

The Board functions as a governance body that is ultimately responsible for
the Wikimedia Foundation and its activities, supervises the disposition and
solicitation of donations, and oversees the management of the organization.
To find out more about the responsibilities and workings of the Board you
can have a look at the Board handbook.[1]

We are seeking a trustee who is a leader in their field and who is
committed to Wikimedia's values.[2] We are also particularly looking for
someone with technical experience, who can bring expertise with strategic
development and technical organizations to the Board. As always, the Board
values diversity in its members.

Appointments are for a two-year term and involve 3-4 in-person meetings
throughout the year, at least two in San Francisco, as well as online work
and participation in a Board committee.

If you would like to suggest a name or nominate someone, please contact
Ewen McAlpine at emcalp...@wikimedia.org, who is handling initial contact
for the committee.

Kind regards,

María

Chair, Board Governance Committee

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_Handbook

[2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Values

___
Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately
directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia
community. For more information about Wikimedia-l:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
___
WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list
wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l






__
Policies for behavior on this list:
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Statement_of_purpose/Women-only_communities
http://sf.adacamp.org/attendee-information/policies/#ahp
Contact adacamp-alumni-ow...@lists.adainitiative.org to report violations
Please avoid gendered assumptions and language about the list as a whole
(eg "XX", "ovaries", "ladies")
To unsubscribe, go to:
http://lists.adainitiative.org/listinfo.cgi/adacamp-alumni-adainitiative.org



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]Gender Gap issues

[Sarah Stierch]

ith the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school,
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> children's parents and the local child welfare committees,
>>>>> magistrates
>>>>> >> and police should be properly sensitized  to the incidents of that
>>>>> >> day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee
>>>>> would
>>>>> >> be interested in learning from you or NYBrad  the finer points of
>>>>> law
>>>>> >> whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the
>>>>> >> images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now
>>>>> on
>>>>> >> identical complaint.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I would also like to know by when you will publish across all
>>>>> >> Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have
>>>>> >> allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as
>>>>> >> alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under
>>>>> >> which was blocked.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 11/18/14, Romana Busse  wrote:
>>>>> >>> This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian
>>>>> minor
>>>>> >>> school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and
>>>>> >>> India despite legal notice to remove them.
>>>>> >>> Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same
>>>>> >>> degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their
>>>>> >>> permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they
>>>>> allegedly
>>>>> >>> viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia
>>>>> Foundation
>>>>> >>> service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called
>>>>> >>> [[India Against Corruption]].
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ___
>>>>> >> ArbCom-appeals-en mailing list
>>>>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BASC
>>>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-appeals-en
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> ___
>>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ___
>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ___
>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Leigh Honeywell
> http://hypatia.ca
> @hypatiadotca
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] previous (structural) collaboration with organisations on women's history?

[Sarah Stierch]

Do you mean more like an ongoing thing? Not just once a year? (Or twice)

Like a wikipedian in residencesort of?

Many of us collaborate with organizations and groups - often the same..to
do this kind of stuff but not many people have sat in a role and did
consistent programming...yet.

Sarah
On Nov 19, 2014 12:38 AM, "Sandra Fauconnier" 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> (This is still in the making, so no solid promises or plans yet.)
>
> In the Netherlands a small group of representatives of organisations that
> deal with women’s history is seriously brainstorming about a longer-term
> project to represent the Dutch women’s history better on Wikipedia.
> Together with a few other Dutch Wikipedians, I’m brainstorming together
> with them (and will probably help them during the actual process when the
> project takes off).
>
> At this moment, our plan is to narrow our focus to the subject of Dutch
> second-wave feminism and to ‘recruit’ university docents to do
> Wikipedia-oriented courses with students. We hope that a few enthusiastic
> university teachers will teach a term course on second-wave feminism
> (probably one term of the 2015-16 academic year), and that students will be
> asked to write or improve Wikipedia articles as an assignment.
>
> My question to this list is the following:
> The organisations’ representatives are curious whether there are any
> earlier, similar projects that we can refer to, and learn from. Are there?
> I mean: projects in which local Wikipedians have worked together with
> local feminist organisations, or women’s history organisations, in order to
> structurally improve content on Wikipedia.
> I did a bit of searching around on the various Gender Gap project pages (I
> admit: superficially) but couldn’t find any so far. I’m aware of the
> Art+Feminism edit-a-thons.
>
> In any case - all suggestions and tips are very welcome.
>
> Many thanks! Sandra (User:Spinster)
>
>
>
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] previous (structural) collaboration with organisations on women's history?

[Sarah Stierch]

The only thing I can think of is the fembot/femtech programs that have
women editing in a myriad of things - education programs, events etc but
its not a formal thing. Myself, Adrianne and Alex have been involved but
again its not  "formal"

The Europeana fashion is sort what you are going for...or Wikimedia UK with
their relationship with the Royal society...but it's more seasonal than
ongoing...

I'd love to see more formalized things.
On Nov 19, 2014 11:57 AM, "Sandra Fauconnier" 
wrote:

> Yes, I mean an ongoing thing - not just one or two edit-a-thons.
> Not really a Wikipedian in Residence project - more like a long-term
> commitment and project in which several activities take place over a longer
> time, with maybe several Wikipedia volunteers involved.
>
> Perhaps Europeana Fashion comes close??
>
> Greetings, Sandra
>
> > On 19 Nov 2014, at 16:18, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
> >
> > Do you mean more like an ongoing thing? Not just once a year? (Or twice)
> >
> > Like a wikipedian in residencesort of?
> >
> > Many of us collaborate with organizations and groups - often the
> same..to do this kind of stuff but not many people have sat in a role and
> did consistent programming...yet.
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> > On Nov 19, 2014 12:38 AM, "Sandra Fauconnier" <
> sandra.fauconn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > (This is still in the making, so no solid promises or plans yet.)
> >
> > In the Netherlands a small group of representatives of organisations
> that deal with women’s history is seriously brainstorming about a
> longer-term project to represent the Dutch women’s history better on
> Wikipedia. Together with a few other Dutch Wikipedians, I’m brainstorming
> together with them (and will probably help them during the actual process
> when the project takes off).
> >
> > At this moment, our plan is to narrow our focus to the subject of Dutch
> second-wave feminism and to ‘recruit’ university docents to do
> Wikipedia-oriented courses with students. We hope that a few enthusiastic
> university teachers will teach a term course on second-wave feminism
> (probably one term of the 2015-16 academic year), and that students will be
> asked to write or improve Wikipedia articles as an assignment.
> >
> > My question to this list is the following:
> > The organisations’ representatives are curious whether there are any
> earlier, similar projects that we can refer to, and learn from. Are there?
> > I mean: projects in which local Wikipedians have worked together with
> local feminist organisations, or women’s history organisations, in order to
> structurally improve content on Wikipedia.
> > I did a bit of searching around on the various Gender Gap project pages
> (I admit: superficially) but couldn’t find any so far. I’m aware of the
> Art+Feminism edit-a-thons.
> >
> > In any case - all suggestions and tips are very welcome.
> >
> > Many thanks! Sandra (User:Spinster)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Gendergap mailing list
> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
> > ___
> > Gendergap mailing list
> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Feminist Hacker Barbie

[Sarah Stierch]

A fun way to kill sometime..I just made a Wikipedia version :)

https://computer-engineer-barbie.herokuapp.com/

my version:
https://computer-engineer-barbie.herokuapp.com/view/1695

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

[Sarah Stierch]

Here, here. Carol Moore is one of the reasons I EDIT Wikipedia.



On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Ryan Kaldari 
wrote:

> If Carol Moore is banned from Wikipedia and Eric Corbett is not, I will be
> retiring from Wikipedia, as it will prove that the project is completely
> dysfunctional.
>
> Kaldari
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:09 AM, LB  wrote:
>
>> This is what is about to happen at the English Wikipedia ArbCom re
>> disruption at the Gender Gap Task Force:
>> *Five men and two women were involved parties in the case.
>> *One women is about to be site banned.
>> *The other woman is about to be topic banned from the GGTF.
>> *All five men are going to be free to edit.
>>
>> It is noteworthy, IMO, that only 1 of the 12 arbitrators is a woman
>> (GorillaWarfare, bless her, who is not for giving WP's #1 trouble-maker,
>> Eric Corbet, yet *another* chance). Here is a link to the Proposed
>> decision page:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision
>>
>> And to the talk page:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision
>>
>> Lightbreather
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

[Sarah Stierch]

Also, wacky question:

could there ever be any legal repercussion - like the "real" legal system,
not an internet community - that could be taken to support a person who
should not be "banned" from a website? like carol?  If you're called lots
of nasty names, if men aren't being banned, etc but women are, blahblahblah
- that's sexist and discrimination IMHO.

I'm sure there are plenty of lawyers who would look at all of this and go
"UH WHAT" ...

I really don't know how things like Arbcom stand up in the court of law. I
just think sometimes it's a matter of making a shit storm even shittier by
bring in the law - the world needs to see that Wikipedia is more of a mess
then they think. Makes it a lot harder to donate to Wikipedia when you see
these types of things happening, right?

And frankly, Carol might be outspoken, but this is sexist crap when a man
can act all disruptive but be "oh so valuable" and women like Carol (and me
and others) are seen as psychos and angry women who bring nothing to the
project (she's an amazing writer and has contributed a lot too).

I have a lawyer on standby for every single threat that comes my way now on
the internet, and that includes Wikipedia - I'm not rich, but, frankly, I
just can't do it alone anymore and the system isn't solving anything. From
Twitter to Wikipedia, a day doesnt' go by when myself or a woman I know
isn't threatened on the internet. I'm just so sick of it.

I'm also really pissed off in general about the last 24 hours in america.
So whatever.

-Sarah


On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Nathan  wrote:

> It's really two issues - one, there was some disruption and misconduct
> around the Gender Gap wikiproject that really got overblown a bit and never
> needed to be an arbitration case to begin with. Granted that some of the
> participants weren't really contributing in good faith, and that there was
> a little bit of misunderstanding and overreaction on the part of some who
> were.
>
> The second issue is that there is a particular person who is an absolutely
> outstanding article writer, but has a longstanding habit of acting like a
> jerk on a regular basis. The community and the committee have repeatedly
> shown themselves to be incapable of finding a solution to that problem, and
> this is no exception.
>
> ___________
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

[Sarah Stierch]

Yes, here here to Carol and LB. I commend everyone who is still fighting
the power and voicing rage (calm or not) on talk pages and representing
what so many of us feel. You are putting your wikilove on the line and it
is not to go unnoticed or unappreciated.

I'm genuinely too freaked out anymore to even try, especially after this
year. So thank you thank you thank you thank you.

-Sarah

(who is basically over witch hunts, rape and death threats towards her and
her friends. all this because of being outspoken, and making one regretful
mistake in the wikiworld.)



On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Fæ  wrote:

> Thank you for this Carol. I was driven off En.wp / suffered a death of a
> thousand wikilawyering cuts after ridiculously blatant homophobia, outing
> and off wiki attacks against my personal life. Even the, now hidden from
> view, Arbcom case against me was allowed to bang on about fisting, clearly
> intended as abuse. There seem clear parallels, if you are a woman or gay,
> you are advised to stay in the closet.
>
> Last week Jimmy Wales was asked to say something, anything, in support of
> a more welcoming culture for LGBT editors. Silence in return. The content
> may be a marvel, but the 1970s culture is rotten.
> On 26 Nov 2014 00:59, "Carol Moore dc"  wrote:
>
>>  On 11/25/2014 2:48 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>>
>>
>> And frankly, Carol might be outspoken, but this is sexist crap when a man
>> can act all disruptive but be "oh so valuable" and women like Carol (and me
>> and others) are seen as psychos and angry women who bring nothing to the
>> project (she's an amazing writer and has contributed a lot too).
>>
>> 
>>
>> I'm also really pissed off in general about the last 24 hours in america.
>> So whatever.
>>
>>  -Sarah
>>
>>  First, I  do a mea culpa on not being the perfect little lady editor. I
>> edit in controversial areas (which according to some guys in itself proves
>> I'm a drama queen!), disagree with and revert male editors, argue in a
>> strong manner, sometimes get as competitive as some male editors, take
>> issues to noticeboards when there's a stalemate and sometimes editors to
>> ANI when they really get out of line. There is a small percentage of guys
>> who just go crazy over this sort of thing and from time to time I say
>> snotty things to them. Nothing like some of the things that have been said
>> to me!
>>
>>  In the last 3 months I've been under intense harassment and have written
>> a couple stupid things and today I really let ArbCom know just what I
>> think. (Per Sarah's comment about Ferguson; having lived in a 95% black
>> area for almost 20 years, I do take it emotionally).
>>
>> Anyway my Arbitration Evidence provides a timeline of disruption at GGTF
>> and detailed the battleground attitudes of a nasty little coterie of
>> editors who set out to disrupt GGTF and harass a few individual editors.
>> As I came to learn as Arbitration progressed, over the years they have
>> driven off a number of editors who disagreed with them.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Evidence#Evidence_presented_by_Carolmooredc
>>
>> Since they love to yap about "Carol's biggest crimes (all two)" here they
>> are.  Much fewer and far more excusable than much of the stuff they've
>> pulled.
>>
>> * After two editors harassing me were either Ibanned or chastised, I got
>> fed up with another harasser who I believed might be married to the the
>> King pin editor of this gang and asked her if that was why she was
>> harassing me, in a not very diplomatic manner.  What can I say, PTSD  I
>> immediately apologized when it was denied, but have been hearing about it
>> over and over ever since.
>>
>> * Last week I got really pissed that even after ArbCom voted to site ban
>> me, King pin's friends KEPT harassing me! I got pissed and wrote: "This is
>> a [[gang bang]] over [[C*nt-gate]] by individuals who I mostly am
>> unfamiliary with" in text and edit summary.  The comment was ignored but at
>> least an arbitrator told them to cut it out which they did for a couple
>> days. Then it started up again the last few days.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=634164393&oldid=634163134
>>
>> Today I got pissed that two other individuals who had insulted and
>> harassed me repeatedly in the past were doing it there. I wrote my REAL
>> OPIN

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

[Sarah Stierch]

Damn straight!

Shit stirrers unite :)

(And yes, until you've met Carol Moore in person you don't know the real
Carol Moore!! She's most epic and well worth it to go out of your way to
have a pint with her!).

-Sarah
[I've just shifted my shit starting back to GLAM stuff these days...]

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

> On 11/26/2014 1:37 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote:
>
>> It's noteworthy that they are not non-appealable blocks.  I honestly
>> don't think this is beyond the scope of the list, although it's certainly a
>> depressing topic.  Allowing severe gendered slurs to be bandied about with
>> essentially no penalty is likely something that is going to decrease the
>> participation of women on ENWP - which is not a good thing.  I know there's
>> been some debate in the past about whether or not ENWP specific issues are
>> appropriate for this list, but I believe this is a large enough one to be.
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin Gorman
>>
>>  Since en.Wikipedia is the largest one and WMF in US, obviously large
> developments regarding the gender gap are relevant.
>
> I was content for the first six years to be on my best behavior (except
> for occasional outbursts when provoked) and work on topics of interest,
> though I wasted a lot of time in BLP disputes with people out to trash
> subjects of BLP.
>
> But for almost the last two years I've had to deal with insulting editors
> pulling outrageous numbers and no adults willing to tell them to cut it
> out.  This Arbitration is just the culmination of it.  So I feel no desire
> to associate with Wikipedia UNTIL the culture is changed so BLP violations
> and insults and harassment are taken seriously. And I see no need to be a
> well-behaved woman any more. If I'm ever allowed to edit my talk page
> again, I'll tell them I do not apologize for using the terms gang banger
> and gang rape to describe the goings on of the last six months. When I'm
> allowed to come back despite saying that, I'll know the culture has changed.
>
> Sitush said I'm a rabble rouser.  All he did was pump up my ego and now I
> really want to rouse some rabble.  This isn't the place, and Wikipedia
> certainly is not the prime target.  However, as a former standup comic and
> long term satirist, I will have to have my satisfaction by making sure
> certain individuals and certain events go down in youtube history in song,
> photographs and screenshots. Hope I don't change my mind when I get the
> bees nest out of my sinuses.  But then given my long history of exposes of
> B.S., not likely. In fact, I've got a couple I should have published in
> on-demand book form by now if I hadn't been messing around on Wikipedia.
>
> Call me disruptive, Tim. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn...
>
> CM
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

[Sarah Stierch]

I must admit, I'm really fascinated by the fact that Eric Corbett is being
called "Mr. Corbett" and Carol Moore is being called "Carol Moore' in some
of these conversations.

And anyone who has spent time on this mailing list and reads interviews,
articles, surveys, blahblah with women who edit Wikipedia (not just us
"uppity types"), knows damn well that CIVILITY is one of the reasons we
have a gender gap.

So this is in fact, about the gender gap.

-Sarah

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

>  On 11/27/2014 11:22 AM, Tim Davenport wrote:
>
>
> Note well: in the matter of Mr. Corbett we are dealing with the issue of
> CIVILITY not the matter of THE WIKIPEDIA GENDER GAP.
>
>  If you read the evidence and the GGTF page you'd see Eric Corbett was
> being disruptive (while not always uncivil) because he did not want the
> group to have any effective voice against incivility.  Many women consider
> personal attacks AND harassment to be a major issues driving women off the
> site, once they sign up and start to edit.
>
> Thus Corbett's actions are highly relevant, as are those of a whole list
> of his friends and supporters and fellow travelers, on GGTF, at other
> gender gap related discussions, and at the Arbitration.
>
> Of course, we all can disagree on whether  "gang bang" and "gang bangers"
> are good *metaphors* to describe their behavior at Arbitration.  I still
> think it is, though if I wasn't totally fed up with Wikipedia, I probably
> would not use it.  :-)  For now, it's the best metaphor I've got to
> describe what I now see as Wikipedia's institutionalized harassment.
>
> ___________
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Sarah Stierch]

Yeah I was thinking about this the other day...during my fellowship I
tossed around the idea.

The diversity conference is well and good but I wanted to plan something
specific to editors/contributors. This would be more like a wikihack - we
work on projects - from editing Wikipedia to social media and the task
forces..action focused.

UC Berkeley would gladly host. But I don't have the capacity to plan
something like that and pay the rent these days...

Sarah
On Dec 1, 2014 6:56 AM, "Keilana"  wrote:

> Hi! Wikimedia DC is planning to hold another iteration of the Diversity
> Conference, which has a strong gender gap component. More details to come.
> :)
>
> -Emily
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:08 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:
>
>> We were discussing the same thing here in the Netherlands. I think we
>> want to try to hold another Art&Feminism edit-a-thon next year along with
>> the New York version, but we wanted to do something more as well,
>> especially because it's so hard to even explain what the gendergap is. Some
>> people confuse it with the gender pay gap (and honestly I have no idea
>> whether there is a gender pay gap for Wikimedia organisations, but it may
>> help to list that as one aspect, if only to show that this is NOT what we
>> are talking about)
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
>> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long
>>> way from Sweden :-/
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>>>
>>> 070 - 207 80 05
>>> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
>>> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
>>> Presentation
>>> 
>>> @aliasHannibal  - på Twitter
>>>
>>> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
>>> tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap*
>>> *. Det är vårt mål.*"
>>> Jimmy Wales
>>>
>>> --
>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800
>>> From: rkald...@wikimedia.org
>>> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
>>>
>>> Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I
>>> love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
>>> communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come
>>> from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list
>>> are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San
>>> Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
>>>
>>> Kaldari
>>>
>>> ___ Gendergap mailing list
>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Sarah Stierch]

Revisiting this thread after I had my tea (I keep reminding myself not to
send emails prior to caffeine intake)

1) Gender Gap conference or whatever re: Keiliana. That's cool. I'm down.
There are usually grants for people to travel to the conference - so
international people and those not in DC, look out.

2) I would like to see some action driven activities. Not just lectures,
and more focus on women/women-identifying people, presenting. The reason I
suggest a "Wikihack" is so we can edit together, celebrate together, and
feel like we left getting some things done - on talk pages or on content
pages. But not have to make it some type of formal edit-a-thon thing.

3) I think it would be super cool to organization WikiWomen/Gender Gap
meetups internationally on a semi regular basis - just for beers and sewing
and solidarity. We see meetup's all the time around the world and I notice
they are still male dominated. I think it would be cool. Perhaps we can
create a meet-up space on Wikipedia for WikiWomen (and those who identify
as such). I'm all down for hanging out with allies, but, I'd really like to
have a woman centric meetup, too.

-Sarah
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Moving forward

[Sarah Stierch]

 both women and
> men. From all of that I believe that women are not inherently disinterested
> in contributing to Wikipedia. However, these events do not seem to create
> ongoing editors (whether female or male) and this experience is not unique.
> A recent survey by the foundation found that this is the case all over the
> world. Generally, the one-event approach to edit training isn’t sufficient.
> Greater success seems to come from regular events usually in a
> university/college setting, but regular events are a challenge to resource
> with volunteers (we have other things that have to be done in our lives).
> Interestingly, most of the people who currently attend our sessions are
> middle aged and older. Many struggle with the markup; I hope the visual
> editor will address some of that problem. So I think we need to look at
> diversity in terms of age as well as gender. But I don’t think outreach is
> really the answer because it cannot be done at the necessary scale. It’s not
> that we need to have a team of mentors, we need everyone to be willing to
> help one another.
>
>
>
> D.One thing I learn from our outreach is that many of the newbies
> (male and female) have unpleasant experiences even during the outreach
> events as well as soon afterwards. Their edits are reverted (for what seems
> to me to be no justifiable reason), new articles being speedily deleted or
> splashed with messages about policies they don’t know about and don’t
> comprehend, or left in an eternal limbo of rejection in Article for
> Creation. These folks are all “good faith” and they are all newcomers but
> the policies of “assume good faith” and “don’t bite the newbies” are
> completely ignored. We have many editors who are very aggressive. I have no
> idea if they are just angry with the world as a whole, or actually enjoy
> bullying the newbies. While obviously there are benefits to a culture of
> mentoring, even when I am in hand-holding edit-training mode (about as
> mentoring as it gets and I provide my contact details off-wiki as well as
> on-wiki for any follow-up), it’s difficult for me to justify to them why the
> newbie’s edits are being undone because the edits simply aren’t that bad.
> The situation makes me very angry. It is not as if it is the same small pool
> of editors creating these problems where maybe one could try to take action
> against them. It seems that we have such a huge pool of aggressive editors
> that our newbies will randomly attract the attention of one of them. (Or it
> may be that some bullying personalities are actively on the lookout for
> victims and newbies are a soft target).
>
>
>
> So, all in all, I think if we need to go back to first principles “the
> encyclopaedia anyone can edit” and see that the aggressive nature of the
> community is working against this intention and seek to curb that
> aggression. I think curbing the aggression would result in more editors both
> male and female. So in that light, I would have to say that I find the
> ArbCom decision distressing as it appears to acknowledge and reinforce that
> the aggressive culture is both dominant and should continue to be so.
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Planning an event

[Sarah Stierch]

Here's a new blog about getting funded to do an international event

http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/11/14/get-the-wikimedia-foundation-fund-international-gathering/

Keep in mind that Emily said that WM DC is planning a diversity conference.
That's not the same as a "gender gap meetup" type of thing... but perhaps
there is an opportunity to connect to that.

For example: we hosted AdaCamp DC in the days prior to Wikimania (during
the hack-a-thon, and some participants at AdaCamp went back and forth...)
and it was fabulous.

So perhaps there is an opportunity to do a gender gap activism/wiki hack
type of event prior to that.


-Sarah

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] ThinkTank Science Museum in Birmingham, England is seeking a Wikipedian in Residence

[Sarah Stierch]

.and it's always great to have more women in that position :)

They pay  £3000  and it's a contract..

http://www.thinktank.ac/page.asp?section=189§ionTitle=Current+Vacancies



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Wikipedia's gender gap gets a closer look

[Sarah Stierch]

http://www.livescience.com/48985-wikipedia-editing-gender-gap.html

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-


www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] We Are Wikipedia

[Sarah Stierch]

I'm tweeting about wiki and open access stuff via the We Are Wikipedia
Twitter account this upcoming week (starting later tonight/tomorrow
morning).

You can follow it here:

https://twitter.com/WeAreWikipedia



-- 

Sarah Stierch

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Arbcom election

[Sarah Stierch]

I bet the majority of people 1) have no clue what arbcom is 2) probably
don't care much if they do because most people won't end up there

So someone will surely have to invest a lot of time and money in educating
a lot of people who only edit occasionally about Arbcom.

I have been editing Wikipedia for 8 years and I don't even think I have
voted in those elections.

Sarah
On Dec 10, 2014 6:10 AM, "Jim Hayes"  wrote:

> one take away is how few voters there are.
>
> we have a lot of feminist editathons coming up
> should we consider recruiting at events to get new editors over 150 edits,
> with a view of block voting in next year's election?
>
> if we organize now, we could run a civility slate of candidates.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Fæ  wrote:
>
>> OOPS,
>>
>> Absolutely correct, I had a programme error. Re-running this gives a
>> more credible set of numbers:
>> Total voted: 590
>> Total identified with gender: 255
>> Male   224
>> Female 31
>>
>> So open males = 38%, open females = 5%. Which indicates that a good
>> *guesstimate* of the number of women voting was 11%.
>>
>> I might also have skipped a voter, I think there should be 591, but I
>> have given up on debugging that one.
>>
>> Fae
>>
>>
>> On 9 December 2014 at 13:55, Katie Chan  wrote:
>> > On 09/12/2014 13:45, Fæ wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The statistic comes from querying the English Wikipedia database. This
>> >> includes a table of user preferences which itself is where the on-wiki
>> >> preferences stores information like preferred gender.
>> >>
>> >> Here's the SQL for anyone interested (it includes other redundant
>> >> stuff, I was re-using something I already had to hand):
>> >> SELECT user_name,
>> >>  user_editcount,
>> >>  LEFT(user_registration,4) AS reg,
>> >>  GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT ug_group SEPARATOR ' ') AS grps,
>> >>  GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT CONCAT(up_property,':',up_value)) AS prop
>> >> FROM user u
>> >> LEFT JOIN user_properties ON up_user=u.user_id
>> >> LEFT JOIN user_groups ON u.user_id=ug_user
>> >> WHERE user_name="''' +u +'''"
>> >>  AND up_property="gender"
>> >> GROUP BY user_name
>> >> ORDER BY user_editcount DESC;
>> >>
>> >> (Where "u" is a variable iterating over the listed voters.)
>> >>
>> >> As others are pointing out, the statistic of 1/590 is a fact
>> >
>> >
>> > Err
>> >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=json&action=query&list=users&ususers=KTC&usprop=gender
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=json&action=query&list=users&ususers=Fluffernutter&usprop=gender
>> >
>> > and others.
>> >
>> >
>> > KTC
>> >
>> > --
>> > Katie Chan
>> > Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the
>> > author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the
>> > author is associated with or employed by.
>> >
>> >
>> > Experience is a good school but the fees are high.
>> >  - Heinrich Heine
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> > http://www.avast.com
>> >
>> >
>> > ___
>> > Gendergap mailing list
>> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
>> Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Moving forward

[Sarah Stierch]

I agree with all Jim says here. I also think the incentive of regular
editing is too low - why hangout on Wikipedia after a long day at work or
school or caring for a child when you can space out with Netflix or do
something with more incentive (I am knee deep in Wikidata right nowand
have written more Yelp reviews than I have Wikipedia articles this
yearwith yelp I have elite status and get to go to free parties with
free food and booze..and no one yells at me for typos)

But I have been saying the same crap for 4 years now. So this broken record
will go back to her open data sets...

:-)

Sarah
On Dec 10, 2014 6:08 AM, "Jim Hayes"  wrote:

> there is a lack of continuity studying editing behaviors,
> it is all one-off studies, not longitudinal
> they only know "editor decline" because it's an easy data dump.
> that said, there is some data from editations being gathered by eval &
> testing group.
>
> we fund editathons because the primary goal is institutional engagement,
> not editor training. we do the training, because editing is a barrier to
> entry, (learning curve is too hard)
> a process with a 1% yield may need to be reinforced, since no process = 0%
> yield.
> there needs to be a culture change, beyond the "editors are a a dime a
> dozen"
> we can not rely on self-starters to become productive; the rate is not
> large enough to replace the leaving editors. too much needs to be done, for
> the existing numbers
>
> until there is a change to the bitey culture, newbies will stay away, or
> not edit except at editathons.
> until then, we can organize circles of civility, and provide some positive
> reinforcement.
> we need to develop norms that may be outside of wiki process, i.e. no AfC,
> and push those that work, VE, teahouse, off wiki organization.
>
> arbcom or WMF, are now saying the right words, but do not have a plan or
> the will to implement. the GGTF case tends to undermine the credibility of
> arbcom.
>
> slow
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
>
>> Just a gentle reminder..that the work we did evaluating edit-a-thons and
>> workshops when I worked at WMF showed that they do not retain new
>> editors.[1]
>>
>> They're good for getting people aware about Wikipedia - and people do
>> edit while they are at the event, but, newer editors rarely edit AFTER the
>> event, that is until the next event happensso they aren't probably the
>> magic way to solve the gender gap. Even those that involve academics, etc.
>> I even evaluated my own edit-a-thons that I had implemented and saw the
>> same trend, much to my dismay.
>>
>> However, providing quality mechanisms of education, outreach, and help
>> can. We see that with the Teahouse.
>>
>> WMF told me a while ago they weren't going to invest in surveys,
>> programming, etc and that it was up to the chapters and the "community" to
>> take the initiative and be proactive. That was one of the biggest
>> challenges of my fellowship - while I worked on two successful projects
>> (Teahouse/WWC) and am very proud to have done that, I was really sad that
>> more research and direct outreach was not going to be implemented. I've
>> said it before and I'll say it again - I was broken hearted that I wasn't
>> going to do more direct outreach to groups, institutions, and so forth. If
>> we were able to make womencentric/diversity events part of institutional
>> change internationally I think we could have seen a larger impact - like
>> what GLAM-Wiki did. People go around and preach the gospel internationally
>> and now GLAM-Wiki is almost old news.. lots of people are doing it...
>>
>> (Of course, WMF now invests in surveys and so forth via the Individual
>> Engagement Grants)
>>
>> I wonder if having a chapter implement a survey for a specific language
>> Wikipedia or something would work? When I did my 2011 survey I did it on my
>> own, without asking anyone's permission. Now it seems everyone wants to
>> control who investigates what, but, being a community member helped - I'm
>> not some scientist from outside trying to put a microscope on a bunch of
>> Wikipedians...because I am one.
>>
>> But, these ongoing mass-improvement and participatory projects by women
>> come and go based on the month ("oh it's women' history month...get out the
>> laptops and snacks!") and who is organizing. It's becoming more common -
>> but, we still aren't hearing about women getting together or lot lots of
>> women regularly editing. I still believe, based 

Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Sarah Stierch]

Russavia claims he did not start it.
On Dec 10, 2014 6:09 AM, "regu...@gmail.com"  wrote:

>  A few of us live in the dc area as well.
>
>
>
> Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that
> was done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could
> chat more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get
> too upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him.
> I think hes just trying to be helpful.
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original message--
>
> *From: *Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> *Date: *Mon, Dec 1, 2014 6:08 AM
>
> *To: *Gendergap;
>
> *Subject:*Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
>
>
> I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way
> from Sweden :-/
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
> Presentation 
> @aliasHannibal  - på Twitter
>
> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap*
> *. Det är vårt mål.*"
> Jimmy Wales
>
> --
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800
> From: rkald...@wikimedia.org
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
>
> Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I
> love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
> communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come
> from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list
> are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San
> Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
>
> Kaldari
>
> ___ Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] internet fraud or whatever and Google Group scam (was: re: meetups:)

[Sarah Stierch]

[merely changing the subject]


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news)

[Sarah Stierch]

yay rays of sunshine :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] ya'll are in slate

[Sarah Stierch]

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.html

GENDER GAP TASK FORCE FTW


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] HBR report: Women better leaders than men?

[Sarah Stierch]

Yup.
On Dec 13, 2014 4:44 AM, "Jim Hayes"  wrote:

> https://hbr.org/2012/03/a-study-in-leadership-women-do/
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Australian article about recent onwiki drama

[Sarah Stierch]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/12/14/comment-will-editing-disputes-mean-end-wikipedia

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries

[Sarah Stierch]

ab/Gender-gap_admin_training
>>>>>
>>>>> And The Ada Initiative said they were interested in providing training
>>>>> for such a pilot. WMF grantmakers like myself would be pleased to see
>>>>> something like this develop into a proposal, if folks felt it was worth
>>>>> trying.
>>>>>
>>>>> It might make sense to pilot at the admin level before focusing on
>>>>> functionaries like stewards, because admins have more day-to-day
>>>>> interactions with individual editors (and thus more opportunities to
>>>>> facilitate an on-wiki environment that supports diversity).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Reguyla  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this might be a good idea but it would be pretty hard to
>>>>>> implement and I think, unnecessary. Most of the functionaries got to 
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> they are because they have a calm demeanor and generally are fair in how
>>>>>> they treat others. Additionally, its not usually the functionaries who 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> the problem. So without requiring the editors to perform the diversity
>>>>>> training, I'm not sure how much it would help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Chris Keating <
>>>>>> chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't know if this has been floated before - apologies if so - but:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Part of the problem we have is the sheer depth of ignorance among
>>>>>>> otherwise well-intentioned community members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This depth of ignorance is naturally shared by the people who play
>>>>>>> leadership roles in the community. So we end up with stewards, 
>>>>>>> arbitrators
>>>>>>> and bureaucrats who potentially end up reinforcing the gender gap 
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> because they just have no clue how the structure they maintain can
>>>>>>> sometimes be a tool to exclude people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about offering some form of diversity training to functionaries
>>>>>>> to help broaden perspectives and raise understanding? Obviously, from 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> point of view of supporting them to do their difficult and fairly 
>>>>>>> thankless
>>>>>>> roles better, rather than beating them with diversity sticks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It could happen (indeed, WMF could make it happen with some
>>>>>>> volunteer input); could it help?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ___
>>>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Siko Bouterse
>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>> sboute...@wikimedia.org
>>>>>
>>>>> *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
>>>>> the sum of all knowledge. *
>>>>> *Donate <https://donate.wikimedia.org> or click the "edit" button
>>>>> today, and help us make it a reality!*
>>>>>
>>>>> ___
>>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ___
>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing,
>>>> please visit:
>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
>>> visit:
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
>> visit:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries

[Sarah Stierch]

;>
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______
>>>>>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Siko Bouterse
>>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sboute...@wikimedia.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
>>>>>> in the sum of all knowledge. *
>>>>>> *Donate <https://donate.wikimedia.org> or click the "edit" button
>>>>>> today, and help us make it a reality!*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ___
>>>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ___
>>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing,
>>>>> please visit:
>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ___
>>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing,
>>>> please visit:
>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Gendergap mailing list
>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
>>> visit:
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>>
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
>> visit:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

[Sarah Stierch]

Neotarf is blocked from English Wikipedia, from what I know.

Hence this post?

-Sarah

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:56 AM, JJ Marr  wrote:

> You can make one, if you'd like.
> On Dec 22, 2014 1:43 PM, "Neotarf"  wrote:
>
>> Samira Salih al-Nuaimi (Arabic: سميرة صالح النعيمي  ) was kidnapped,
>> tortured for 5 days, and publicly executed in the city of Mosul, after
>> posting comments on Facebook that were critical of Islamic State (ISIL or
>> ISIS) for their destruction of mosques and shrines. The U.N. reports a
>> pattern of executions of women by the Islamic State, and states, “Educated,
>> professional women seem to be particularly at risk.”
>>
>> Italian Wikipedia has an article at:
>> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samira_Saleh_al-Naimi
>>
>> Press coverage:
>>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/world/middleeast/womens-rights-activist-executed-by-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Aw
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-islamic-state-kill-lawyer-20140925-story.html
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/samira-nuaimi-killed_n_5880900.html
>>
>> http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/09/25/ISIS-kills-Iraqi-woman-activist-.html
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/25/isis_executes_female_human_rights_lawyer_in_mosul_reports_say.html
>>
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-publicly-execute-leading-lawyer-and-human-rights-activist-in-iraq-9756197.html
>>
>> http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar
>>
>> http://translations.state.gov/st/english/texttrans/2014/09/20140926308964.html?CP.rss=true#axzz3MO9GMfeg
>>
>> Regards,
>> Neotarf
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
>> visit:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Who are these people with Grace Hopper

[Sarah Stierch]

Perhaps you can help! See this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SmithsonianArch/status/547456611988824069

Please post your response to Twitter if you can (and if you can't, then
just let me know and I'll post it on your behalf).


-Sarah

-- 

Sarah Stierch

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] In case you missed the @WeAreWikipedia Twitter

[Sarah Stierch]

...Roberta from the UK made a storify of some selected moments, including
my tenure as the account writer..

https://storify.com/robertawedge/a-few-thoughts-on-gendergap-and-wikiwomen-etc

She makes great points about the lack of diversity often seen at chapters.

It seems to be the same people who run the WeAreWikipedia account, so they
need some fresh people, please consider participating yourself. It was
REALLY great experience for me..

Sign up here: http://wearewikipedia.wordpress.com/take-part/



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

[Sarah Stierch]

Please avoid using Examiner articles. Unreliable sources...it's user
created content like Wikipedia.

And what Nathan said. Please tread lightly. (From personal experience!!)

Sarah
On Dec 24, 2014 8:22 AM, "Nathan"  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Carol Moore dc  > wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/article/wikipedia-biographies-favor-men
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/article/jimmy-wales-shows-favoritism-on-wikipedia
>> hmmm, interesting but dated...
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/article/number-of-women-going-down-on-wikipedia
>>
>> Merry Solstice!
>> See my video - http://merrysolstice.com
>>
>>
>>
> Carol, are you familiar with that author and his history with the
> projects? He's not exactly an objective journalist (or a journalist of any
> kind, actually).
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Yay more professors improving Wikipedia related to women centric stuff!

[Sarah Stierch]

Yahoo this time in Canada.

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1247529/mount-royal-university-womens-studies-class-aims-to-take-back-piece-of-wikipedia/

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-


www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] GGTF talk page

[Sarah Stierch]

+1 to that.
My tips are:

1) No talk pages if I can avoid it
2) Other channels (sorry people, but not all revolutions can take place in
front of everyone)
3) Social media

I get more value asking for help on Twitter and Facebook than I do on any
other medium.

ANd that's why the WikiWomen's Collaborative was created - social media
brings more females (since we use it more than males!).

-Sarah

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:07 PM, disgruntled grognard 
wrote:

> yep,
> let's study some more, not all men, let's recruit more pipeline...
>
> i tend to edit in article space.
> talk space and even project talk are dysfunctional (waste of time)
> people seeking to disrupt, can only on wiki.
>
> i tend to organize on facebook, twitter, meetup etc.
> where there is adult supervision.
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Carol Moore dc 
> wrote:
>
>>  On 12/29/2014 12:31 PM, Marie Earley wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible to post some of the stuff that has been mentioned on here
>> on the GGTF talk page
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force
>>
>> It feels like the two have nothing in common at the moment. There's a
>> whole load of "why don't we survey women and find out what they like to
>> edit / give women their own noticeboard / review the scope of the project"
>> - type rhetoric.
>>
>> Rather than wade in and argue (it's pointless, I got accused of 'radical
>> feminism' POV pushing for my trouble), can some of the stuff about grants,
>> meet ups etc. and replies be posted so we can move on, and all of the
>> "let's rip it up and start again" stuff can make its way into the archive?
>>
>> Marie
>>
>> Everything you see is just a variation of what was happening all summer,
>> with the pro-GGTF editors managing to keep their tempers against various
>> attempts by anti-project editors to disrupt the project by trying to narrow
>> and control the scope (as some women explicitly have complained):
>>
>> *general nitpicking of statement by a woman/supporter of project that
>> supports the original vision of being both about increasing number of
>> articles about women/topics of interest to women and increasing number of
>> women, including by dealing with issues that turn women off (both software
>> and behavior issues). (One editor summarized these past comments here:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Vintage_Feminist/GGTF%27s_re-boot
>> The comments are being challenged.) And of course various accusations of
>> defacto sexism for those who complain about this, as Marie alludes to above
>>
>> *Opposition to the idea of using the page to get other editors to help
>> with new articles about women unless the articles are already 100% in
>> compliance with every policy imaginable.
>>
>> *proposal to divide GGTF into two projects, one for articles about women,
>> the other for getting more women and "behavior"problems; divide and conquor
>> is the strategy here and I'm sure the second would quickly be put up for
>> deletion, widdling the project down to nothing
>>
>> *proposal to invite anything and everything regarding women (including
>> perhaps through womens noticeboard), which could be used to water GGTF down
>> to nothing regarding a gender gap by flooding with less relevant concerns
>>
>> *continuing contention that there is no evidence that there's a problem
>> despite these two existing pages:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/research
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/media
>> It would help if
>>
>> *Past edits at GGTF show that one or more of the alleged women posting
>> now are recruits of editors against the project from the arbitration.
>>
>> We'll see what happens...
>>
>> CM
>>
>>
>> _______
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
>> visit:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] GGTF talk page

[Sarah Stierch]

That's what I have been doing. That's what Adrianne and I practice(d) and
it's worked well so far.

Now it's a global movement devoid of the drama that happens here. I am
proud of that.

Sarah
On Dec 30, 2014 5:30 AM, "Tim Davenport"  wrote:

> Ms. Stierch's comments are exactly on target.
>
> Do the GGTF-type organizing off wiki, not on-wiki. That's not the place
> for it.
>
> Start your own message board akin to Wikipediocracy. Organize (and vent)
> there.
>
> Use Facebook, etc.
>
> Concentrate on developing new feminist editors, helping them through the
> steep learning curve, with an emphasis on content, content, content. Nobody
> is going to have a problem with that.
>
>
> Tim Davenport
> Carrite on WP /// Randy from Boise on WPO
> Corvallis, OR
>
>
>
> 
>
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:25:33 -0800
> From: Sarah Stierch 
>
> My tips are:
>
> 1) No talk pages if I can avoid it
> 2) Other channels (sorry people, but not all revolutions can take place in
> front of everyone)
> 3) Social media
>
> I get more value asking for help on Twitter and Facebook than I do on any
> other medium.
>
> ANd that's why the WikiWomen's Collaborative was created - social media
> brings more females (since we use it more than males!).
>
> -Sarah
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

[Sarah Stierch]

s is something that really
>> needs to get reframed. Yes, of course, many women don’t Wikipedia because
>> they simply aren’t interested in doing so (ditto many men). But there are
>> barriers to entry and barriers to continued participation by women who are
>> interested in doing so compared to men. Try to reframe it “are women
>> equally able to edit Wikipedia” or “are there barriers to women editing?”.
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
>> visit:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing listgender...@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please 
> visit:https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

[Sarah Stierch]

Wikidata is the bommbbb!!

:)

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Sorry to read that, Sarah. But maybe you just need a new project! I must
> admit I make way more edits on Wikidata than anywhere else these days - I
> believe that is where I can make the most effective contribution. I can't
> resist writing articles on Wikipedia now and then though.
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah..I don't edit as much as I used to on Wikipedia now. I am obsessed
>> with Wikidata and doing more work in Commons again (shocker). :) It's been
>> a while since i've even written an article. But, i do edit each day, just
>> little things, not as prolific as I once was. I'd gladly do it if I was a
>> Wikipedian in Residence again, I like having missions...and I'm burnt out
>> on writing about "women" on Wikipedia. And most of the major projects I've
>> started or been involved in have been completed to the point where I'm no
>> longer interested.
>>
>> It just wears me out. I feel like every place I step on Wikipedia could
>> lead to me getting harassed or called out on something or  whatever..it's
>> like walking on egg shells. This coming from a person who helped lead the
>> fight in creating 'nice' culture on Wikipedia. People just can't let things
>> go, and it just thwarts the energy and passion I have towards editing
>> myself.
>>
>> But, i've had the pleasure of helping women around the world learn how to
>> edit, so I guess that whole idea of cloning myself sort of worked :)
>>
>> -Sarah
>>
>> -Sarah
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Carol Moore dc > > wrote:
>>
>>>  Good points, Jane  Part of a hostile editing environment is the
>>> "either they ignore you or they insult you" phenomena. I'm sure a lot of
>>> women do quit for just the reason Jane describes - being ignored.
>>>
>>> I got that quoted phrase from a woman complaining about it in some
>>> mainstream article a few years ago. That made a lot of my experiences in
>>> email finally comprehensible.   I found if I came up with a good idea, I
>>> was ignored.  If I said something a bit outrageous in conjunction with that
>>> idea, some people might actually note the idea and comment on it, among all
>>> the outraged guys complaining about whatever (unladylike?) comment I made
>>> in conjunction with it.
>>>
>>> By the time I came to Wikipedia I was aware of that behavior and trying
>>> to find new strategies to get appropriate attention.  Of course, on
>>> Wikipedia one doesn't have to go out of one's way to get attention if one
>>> regularly practices correcting editors, reverting them, seeking third
>>> opinions or going to noticeboards, any of which some editors also consider
>>> outrageous - particularly if the editor is perceived as being a women.
>>>
>>> Of course, if the editors in a specific culture - as where Jane was
>>> editing - choose to ignore women even when they are disagreeing with them
>>> or, in their eyes, acting outrageous, then that observation would not hold.
>>>
>>> CM
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/30/2014 10:21 AM, Jane Darnell wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm. I stopped editing the Dutch Wikipedia because it just wasn't any
>>> fun anymore. I would never say I experienced barriers to entry or that
>>> there were barriers to continued participation. It is more that there was a
>>> continuous vacuum of silence that made participation feel like I was on an
>>> island all of the time. I was never invited to the discussion table on any
>>> specific subject, and if I stumbled across one, once there, my replies to
>>> statements were never answered directly, but indirectly in replies to
>>> others. I was never addressed personally and asked for an opinion. That
>>> doesn't happen regularly on Commons or the English Wikipedia either, but I
>>> feel much less on an island in bth of those projects and much more a part
>>> of a community. Any contribution I made to an ongoing discussion on the
>>> Dutch Wikipedia just stopped the discussion altogether or was simply
>>> ignored. I vaguely remember a few deletion discussions where my objections
>>> were brushed off with ridiculous arguments - so ridiculous that I wouldn't
>>> know what to reply in all seriousness. Of course I can't back this up with
>>> diffs and it is just 

Re: [Gendergap] GGTF talk page

[Sarah Stierch]

Some thoughts...some ok some negative about a project for women.

Spaces that promote sisterhood and women only that are public generally
have overwhelming woman. participation and men often play the role of
observers.

That's why I created the WikiWomens Collab. While men "like it", it's
extremely rare they interact with it. A place can be public and be focused
on women.

But, I do think it will be a challenge on EN WP. That is why WWC was a
social media campaign. Women are there. There is a wiki women's group on
Facebook too and a few guys have joined but they don't interact on it. its
clearly for Women by women (those identifying as women).

I am concerned about a shit storm starting a woman centric space on WP. As
long as there is research to prove to the community it might work. You have
to show it - we had to do it with the Teahouse. It was nominated for
deletion when it was created!!

I put together an entire project page on meta with this research
someplace..

There is also an editor retention project already. People will ask - why
not just work in that space?

Also, the wikiprojects for WP feminism, women art/science/writers are also
overwhelmingly female. I recruited at the beginning but now I am just burnt
out so I don't spend time doing it..and the subject gets little press
coverage anymore so cries to engaging women have lowered in the press. So
this will require more on the boots support. And how will you promote it -
especially if you don't know the gender of editors. I guess you can build
it and they will come.

So I would think hard before creating something new and thing about what
already exists and how to leverage it. And if you cannot leverage it...try
it.

I spent a year of my life at WMF working on all of this. We had that idea
and canned it and ended up creating the Teahouse. That was created to
welcome and help new editors with research focusing on women. It worked. It
sounds like you would just be making another Teahouse but for women.

It's funny seeing this conversation happening again. :) it's good though

Sarah
(Sent from my phone)
On Dec 31, 2014 8:38 AM, "LB"  wrote:

> I've started two separate mailing list topics today  - Women of GGTF and
> WP:WOMEN - but they haven't posted. You do send to
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org, right? I think that's what I've used
> before.
>
> Lightbreather
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 31 December 2014 at 11:18, LB  wrote:
>>
>>> I can imagine the complaints and hurdles. The discussion is it possible?
>>> Could it work?
>>>
>>> To your specific questions, if there's no page-protection option, can
>>> there be? If it's absolutely impossible, then the moderators would have to
>>> keep an eye on those things. Also, I think there would be parts of the
>>> project that would be vehemently opposed, but others who wouldn't care one
>>> way or another, and some who would welcome such a space with open arms.
>>>
>>> I don't know about EEML. I will read that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The EEML (Eastern European Mailing List) was an invitation-only mailing
>> list populated by a group of editors who supported each other in content
>> contributions, deletion discussions, and other on-wiki activities related
>> generally to the Eastern European region of the world (including articles
>> on the  history, economics, politics,  notable persons, geography, etc. of
>> the region).  The mailing list was non-public.  Almost all participants on
>> the list were very significantly sanctioned (including some permanent bans,
>> some topic bans, and a desysop) because of the attempt to manage content in
>> a non-transparent way, in addition to the entire canvassing aspect.
>>
>> There was once a Wikichix mailing list, moderated and very similar to the
>> one described by Lightbreather.  It died a slow death several years ago
>> because, essentially, nobody really had much to say there, absent the
>> ability to discuss actual content.
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
>> visit:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Techno issues (was Wikimedia Conference)

[Sarah Stierch]

There are already plenty of mentors on Wikipedia...no one needs to pay for
it. There is already an individual engagement grant focusing on a mentor
program. Can't link to it but on my user talk page there is an invite to
participate.

That is funded. When I worked at WMF they decided to out the onus on the
community. so don't expect WMF to be leading the fight.

That changed years ago. It's up to the community to do it.

Sarah
On Dec 31, 2014 8:52 AM, "Carol Moore dc"  wrote:

> The below definitely are interesting issues which deserve their own
> thread. I kept reading the proposals but had not run into the
> implementation very often.
> On 12/30/2014 3:24 PM, Risker wrote:
>
>> Keep in mind that the majority of Wikimedians (i.e., people making edits
>> on the 900+ sites hosted by the WMF) do so without registering an account.
>> The existence of these projects was entirely dependent on that fact in the
>> early days (and in younger and smaller projects, still is).  I recall
>> seeing data indicating that over 90% of Wikimedians made their first edits
>> without creating an account, and I'll wager the same is true for the
>> majority of people on this list, at least anyone who joined before about
>> 2009.  However, as time has progressed, it's become increasingly difficult
>> to get edits accepted from unregistered editors:  some projects have
>> flagged revisions for every single edit, for example, which means that an
>> edit by an IP isn't even visible until it's been "approved" - which can
>> sometimes take weeks;
>>
> **Wikiprojects themselves can do it? What percentage of projects do it and
> articles covered?
>
>  others have groups of 'recent changes patrollers' that revert almost all
>> edits by unregistered users ("anti-vandalism patrol") whether or not the
>> content is reasonable or even good.
>>
> **I somehow ended up as one on the "devolution" article and dealt with it;
> what happens when all patrollers for an article stop watching for whatever
> reason?
>
>  A while back, I decided to do some minor copy edits without logging in,
>> and was within a whisker of getting blocked for fixing typos - 70% of my
>> edits were reverted, even though 100% of them were correct.
>>
> **Which of the above systems did this or usual editing practices from
> questionable editors?
>
> Does this show that WMF is more interested in looking for techno-fixes to
> the problems of vandalism or crappy editing by inexperienced editors? That
> projects are being dominated by individuals, possibly for personal reasons
> or POV reasons?
>
> I think it was Wikipediocracy that alleged they are putting most of their
> $50 million a year into tech.  With a little for research, but nothing to
> support editors.
>
> REAL ENCYCLOPEDIAS do help out their writers.  Why not hire a) mentors to
> help new editors out, including dealing with civility issues, at least
> showing them where to go or asking uncivil jerks to lay off and b)
> mediators for more experienced editors having content disputes.
>
> Maybe that's another theme to guilt trip WMF about - being a REAL
> encyclopedia and not just a technopolis (or whatever negative term best
> describes whatever it is they are doing.)
>
> CM
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] GGTF talk page

[Sarah Stierch]

Yes, I just suggest that you find as much research as you can to prove why
this type of thing would work.

But, perhaps I'm just paranoid. I have had almost every project I have ever
started nominated for deletion. SoI'm paranoid :)

"Why does Wikipedia need a woman-centric space for people who identify as
women to contribute to Wikipedia"

-Sarah

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:24 AM, LB  wrote:

> A women's project might be a nice complement to the collaborative and the
> teahouse. The collaborative is a great choice for women who like to use
> Facebook and Twitter, but some don't. The teahouse is OK (and I'd like to
> offer myself as a mentor for women editors there), but even there the
> testosterone can run high sometimes.
>
> Lightbreather
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
>
>> Some thoughts...some ok some negative about a project for women.
>>
>> Spaces that promote sisterhood and women only that are public generally
>> have overwhelming woman. participation and men often play the role of
>> observers.
>>
>> That's why I created the WikiWomens Collab. While men "like it", it's
>> extremely rare they interact with it. A place can be public and be focused
>> on women.
>>
>> But, I do think it will be a challenge on EN WP. That is why WWC was a
>> social media campaign. Women are there. There is a wiki women's group on
>> Facebook too and a few guys have joined but they don't interact on it. its
>> clearly for Women by women (those identifying as women).
>>
>> I am concerned about a shit storm starting a woman centric space on WP.
>> As long as there is research to prove to the community it might work. You
>> have to show it - we had to do it with the Teahouse. It was nominated for
>> deletion when it was created!!
>>
>> I put together an entire project page on meta with this research
>> someplace..
>>
>> There is also an editor retention project already. People will ask - why
>> not just work in that space?
>>
>> Also, the wikiprojects for WP feminism, women art/science/writers are
>> also overwhelmingly female. I recruited at the beginning but now I am just
>> burnt out so I don't spend time doing it..and the subject gets little press
>> coverage anymore so cries to engaging women have lowered in the press. So
>> this will require more on the boots support. And how will you promote it -
>> especially if you don't know the gender of editors. I guess you can build
>> it and they will come.
>>
>> So I would think hard before creating something new and thing about what
>> already exists and how to leverage it. And if you cannot leverage it...try
>> it.
>>
>> I spent a year of my life at WMF working on all of this. We had that idea
>> and canned it and ended up creating the Teahouse. That was created to
>> welcome and help new editors with research focusing on women. It worked. It
>> sounds like you would just be making another Teahouse but for women.
>>
>> It's funny seeing this conversation happening again. :) it's good though
>>
>> Sarah
>> (Sent from my phone)
>> On Dec 31, 2014 8:38 AM, "LB"  wrote:
>>
>>> I've started two separate mailing list topics today  - Women of GGTF and
>>> WP:WOMEN - but they haven't posted. You do send to
>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org, right? I think that's what I've used
>>> before.
>>>
>>> Lightbreather
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Risker  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 31 December 2014 at 11:18, LB  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can imagine the complaints and hurdles. The discussion is it
>>>>> possible? Could it work?
>>>>>
>>>>> To your specific questions, if there's no page-protection option, can
>>>>> there be? If it's absolutely impossible, then the moderators would have to
>>>>> keep an eye on those things. Also, I think there would be parts of the
>>>>> project that would be vehemently opposed, but others who wouldn't care one
>>>>> way or another, and some who would welcome such a space with open arms.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about EEML. I will read that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The EEML (Eastern European Mailing List) was an invitation-only mailing
>>>> list populated by a group of editors who supported each other in content
>>&

[Gendergap] Co-Op

[Sarah Stierch]

This is the new user mentoring program

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Co-op

on English Wikipedia

-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Women's wikipedia...was... Co-Op

[Sarah Stierch]

No one says we can't make "our own" wiki - MediaWiki is free, after all.

I do hate having to have a practice wiki... it's like here are your
training wheels then you graduate and can go on to write on the "real man's
version" of Wikipedia.

It's like articles for creation :P

-Sar

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

> On 12/31/2014 12:32 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>
>> This is the new user mentoring program
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Co-op
>>
>> on English Wikipedia
>>
> This is great!
>
> Also, I agree that a woman's space will be shut down much more quickly
> than GGTF could be, and through an actual Misc for Deletion. The (male
> dominated) "community" won't put up with it.  And it would might be
> somewhat duplicative of the numerous relevant projects that exist.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_
> Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force#Related_WikiProjects
>
> And another email list probably not needed unless it is for very specific
> projects.  One of which might be:
>
> A woman's "practice Wiki."
>
> Even if it only used somewhat more rudimentary technology and had scaled
> down policy/help pages. And if it only included a few thousand initial
> articles across a variety of topics and grew only as woman chose to create
> articles not on Wikipedia and/or move articles over and practice on them.
>
> *Editors would have to register but only would be verified as women if
> they became disruptive. And then once verified, usual relevant practices
> would apply.  Advantages:
>
> *We have to get women hooked and avoiding the most obvious problems of
> immediately deleted edits and hostility would give them a chance to get
> hooked.
>
> *New editors could move back and forth between the two and it would be a
> place women having problems on regular wikipedia could go back to until
> they were ready to try again, without feeling the only alternatives is to
> quit.
>
> *It's main/news pages would be of interest to women
>
> *If it grew fast and became popular, Wikipedia might have to look at their
> policies.  Even if it doesn't, it still helps create a strong and larger
> number of women who can make changes to the "community" policies.
>
> *I'm sure others can come up with advantages.
>
> This sort of thing probably could be done with just a couple employees and
> various donations as necessary.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> CM
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap




-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] On a more positive note - Happy New Year!!!

[Sarah Stierch]

Good riddance 2014 WELCOME 2015.

Onwards and upwards Wikipedia/media revolutionaries - let's focus on
positive action for 2015 that will improve the access and ability that
underrepresented peoples have in contributing to the world's go-to source
for free knowledge.

“When I dare to be powerful, to use my strength in the service of my
vision, then it becomes less and less important whether I am afraid.”
― Audre Lorde <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/18486.Audre_Lorde>


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Women's wikipedia...was... Co-Op

[Sarah Stierch]

I suggest that interested people create an Individual Engagement Grant to
create a women's space on Wikipedia. This can engage women through events,
activities, recruitment, social media (incorporate WIkiWomen's Collab) and
so forth.

You'd get funding from WMF, if approved, to hire a designer to make it cool
looking (not ugly Wikipedia) and create the right team to make it happen.

I think it's the logical step. Just "doing it" is fine, but, I think
creating a space with the back up of the community (WMF and editors) is
ideal.

-Sarah

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Kerry Raymond 
wrote:

>To me, a “practice wiki” is NOT the answer. But it’s what looks like
> an answer when you frame the issue as “let’s fix the problem with women”
> instead of “let’s fix the problem with Wikipedia”. I do not think a retreat
> to various “off-WMF” platforms is anything other that, a retreat.
>
>
>
> I think the place to start is with the next WMF Strategic Planning cycle.
> Although I have not noticed anything being mentioned on-wiki yet, it’s
> being talked about in the Metrics & Activities meetings as something that
> has started with WMF. I presume soon it has to engage with the community.
> Let’s push for a target for female participation (the current one has one
> at 25% so just retaining that would be fine).
>
>
>
> But let’s push for the things that WMF didn’t do last time in support of
> that goal.
>
>
>
> 1)   Have a means to measure it. Create a demographic database within
> WMF and encourage new and existing users to provide information about
> themselves (by default or as a user-specified option, this information
> should be kept totally private and only used for statistical purposes to
> maximise people’s willingness to provide the information). Then with this
> information, we can track various kinds of diversity and therefore be able
> to produce “active women editor” graphs (or for any other group) as easily
> as “active editor graphs”.  There’s no point having a target if you have no
> way of knowing if you’ve reached it or not! I would also suggest this
> demographic database invited users to provide an email address to be used
> for other WMF-internal survey purposes. The primary one would be if their
> participation ceased for an extended period so they can be contacted for
> survey purposes. We need more information on why people leave because of
> editor decline more generally. I think the details of all this could be
> left in the hands of the WMF Analytics and Research team.
>
>
>
> 2)   Experiment with platform-changes (usual A/B testing) to see if
> we can “design in” more gender-friendly solutions. As an engineer, Lila
> Tretikov probably understands this. It is very hard to change people’s
> behaviours (culture) **but** it is a lot easier to change the platform
> through which the behaviours/cultures are manifested to make some
> behaviours easier or harder. As a simple example, Facebook took away the
> “dislike” (thumbs down) button a long time ago. Today, you can only “like”
> someone else’s posting but have to bother to write a comment to express
> disagreement. That’s a good example of making a “socially-positive”
> behaviour easy and a “socially-negative’ behaviour harder. I suspect on
> Wikipedia, even ignoring vandalism, there are a lot more reverts than
> thanks. Is that socially-positive or socially-negative? If we have the user
> profiles (above), then changes to the platform (whether for gender-equity
> purposes or any other reason) can track the impact on editor behaviour (or
> more simply, does participation by women rise or fall or remain unchanged
> as a result).
>
>
>
> 3)   Demand a higher proportion of self-identified women on
> committees etc. How high? Higher than the current self-identified female
> active editor proportion (because we are trying to lift the game) but not
> so high that female editors willing to serve on such things are exhausted
> by the workload. Maybe track it at 5% above the current female editor level
> or something like that. Did all the women on this list vote in the WMF
> Board of Trustee elections and any other elections that you were eligible
> to? No (and I confess I won’t always bother either) so
>
>
>
> If we want change at a massive scale, we need scalable solutions.
> Hand-to-hand combat over specific issues is unlikely to achieve this. We
> need to lift our focus to winning the war, not winning the battle.
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mail

Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature

[Sarah Stierch]

nt
> any one person "the representative Wikipedian".
>
> * you also shouldn't underestimate how much this is a way for stressed
> Wikipedians with normally very little time to edit Wikipedia to set aside
> time to do it.
>
> Finally, just FYI. During the winter holiday, when the editathons had a
> few weeks off, demand for more meetings was so high that we organised a
> Hangout remote editathon session just to relieve our feelings of abstinence
> :-)
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> Skriv som ett proffs <http://www.elementx.se/skriv-som-ett-proffs/> - min
> senaste bok
> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
> Presentation <http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%c3%83%c2%a4ndare:Hannibal>
> @aliasHannibal <http://twitter.com/AliasHannibal> - på Twitter
>
> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap*
> <http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida>*. Det är vårt mål.*"
> Jimmy Wales
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Fwd: [wikimedia-dc-internal] Happy new year! Meetups in January

[Sarah Stierch]

If you find yourself in the Washington DC area - monthly WikiSalons!

-- Forwarded message --
From: James Hare 
Date: Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:37 PM
Subject: [wikimedia-dc-internal] Happy new year! Meetups in January
To: Wikimedia DC chapter mailing list 


 Happy New Year from Wikimedia DC!

I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia DC has a new schedule of standing
meetups: WikiSalons will be held on the second Wednesday of each month,
while dinner meetups will be held on the last Saturday of each month. This
schedule is in effect through December. We adopted this new standing
schedule to make planning events easier. We will also announce other events
throughout the year, including more edit-a-thons, so be sure to check the
schedule often! You can find the latest schedule on the DC meetup page on
Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/DC>.

Coming up in January we have two meetups: the WikiSalon
<http://www.meetup.com/Wikimedia-DC/events/219599139/> on *January 14 *at 7
PM and the dinner meetup at Vapiano
<http://www.meetup.com/Wikimedia-DC/events/219599203/> on *January 31* at 6
PM. We hope to see you at our events!

As usual, if you have any questions or request any special accommodations,
feel free to email i...@wikimediadc.org and we will be happy to help.


—
James Hare
President, Wikimedia DC
http://wikimediadc.org
@wikimediadc

 --
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Wikimedia DC Internal" group.
To post to this group, send email to wikimedia-dc-inter...@googlegroups.com.



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Strong support for grants directly related to addressing the gender gap

[Sarah Stierch]

Yes! Thank you Risker for the positive energy. This is what I want in
2015!!

This is GREAT news!! I can't wait to see what happens.

-Sarah

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Risker  wrote:

> (Changing the perspective on the previous thread a bit)
>
> Well, it's official - the Individual Engagement Grants (IEG) and Project &
> Event Grants (PEG) will be focused almost exclusively for a 3-month period
> on providing financial support and mentorship for requests focused
> specifically at addressing the gender gap.  The funding allocated -
> $250,000, roughly equivalent to the annual budget of many large chapters -
> is very significant and should help to promote good experimentation
> throughout this area.
>
> If you've been thinking about a project you'd like to organize that is
> specifically gender-gap related, now's the time to start drafting your
> ideas and asking for support from the broader grants and GG community.
> You'll need to describe your idea, set some targets, and collaborate with
> others as a team for the best chance of success.
>
> In particular, IEGs are intended to be experiments, and there's a
> recognition that some are going to be successful, while others (even if
> they look good on paper) are not going to produce results.  The key is
> ensuring that there is some learning derived from the experiments.  Don't
> be afraid to try something!
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] FYI - another trolling? Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Wikimedia-l

[Sarah Stierch]

Another trolling I think. A "Wikimedia Lesbians" group this time.
-- Forwarded message --
From: "toby.dollmann (Google Groups)" 
Date: Jan 9, 2015 10:36 AM
Subject: Google Groups: You've been added to Wikimedia-l
To: 
Cc:

Some disturbing news entered my mailbox the past days. The grant making
team is going to shut down the grantmaking process for Project and Event
Grants (PEG) and Individual Engagement Grants (IEG) for three full months!

They have decided that they want to focus only on a specific strategic
priority: the gender gap, and that all other good projects are refused for
3 months (February-April)

Good projects to be ignored, just because the WMF think those are less
important. They say this is a positive campaign, but this sounds as a
negative campaign to me. This discourages many volunteers in doing
projects.With increasing vandalism and disruption the WMF seems looking to
close some mailing lists for lack of volunteers. This is a negative signal
to all those volunteers who are currently working on project plans.

As LGBT related proposals will presumably be amongst the first to be
rejected, a small actively moderated external mailing list for action is
formed of engaged Wikimedians.

About this group:

A group for Wikimedian Lesbians
The owner of the group has set your subscription type as "Email",
meaning that you'll receive a copy of every message posted to the group as
they are posted.  Visit This Group

 [image: Visit Google Groups] 

Start your own group ,
unsubscribe
from this group
,
or stop invitations like this
. or report
spam
.
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] March is WikiWomen's History Month

[Sarah Stierch]

The 4th annual WikiWomen's History Month is in March, coinciding with
Women's History Month.

Please start planning your events to contribute content to Wikipedia and
related Wikimedia websites about women's history! You can post your events
and find resources on how to implement edit-a-thons and workshops here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWomen%27s_History_Month

Any questions just let me know!

I look forward to your participation!

Sarah


-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Test Kaffeeklatsch area for women-only

[Sarah Stierch]

I'm not cis..and it was a term I only learned about a few years ago... but,
here's the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

It means that someone identifies as the gender they were born with. So, if
you're born with female parts and you identify as a woman and it's totally
inline with who you are as said woman... you're cis.

I think Lightbreather used it in the correct way. I'm not sure why it's an
insult. It's more like a scientific term, it seems, then a cultural
movement.

But, I've learned by now I'm rather an epic fail at trying to use all of
these phrases properly. I blame being from Indiana.  ;-)

Sarah

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Katherine Casey <
fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> *"Also note many women consider "cis" to be an insult that eliminates
> womens experience as women, who've been identified as and identify as women
> from birth, and are happy and even proud to be women."*
> ...wha?
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Carol Moore dc 
> wrote:
>
>>  On 1/16/2015 2:20 PM, LB wrote:
>>
>> Based on a discussion at the WikiProject Women IdeaLab talk page
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Women#best_practice.3F>,
>> I have started a test Kaffeeklatsch
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather/Kaffeeklatsch> area
>> for women (cis, lesbian, transgender) only. Participation of interested
>> women would be welcome.
>>
>>  Lightbreather
>>
>> Since "cis" means non-trans male or female, where's the woman only?
>>
>> Also note many women consider "cis" to be an insult that eliminates
>> womens experience as women, who've been identified as and identify as women
>> from birth, and are happy and even proud to be women.
>>
>> CM
>>
>> ___
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
>> visit:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>
>
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
> visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>



-- 

Sarah Stierch

-

Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.

www.sarahstierch.com
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

[Sarah Stierch]

I am now on digest mode with this mailing list. The traffic is often too
much for me and the voice of this list is frustrating for me
sometimes..so... remember that please :)
---

I have been asked to share my thoughts by many people this morning on the
internet, here they are:

I have been editing Wikipedia for ten years and i have no clue what has
been going on with the feminist/gamergate thing. As one of the more well
known female editors i have cut back heavily on my involvement after last
year. I don't know any of the editors, personally, who "went to court" but
I have seen this stuff happen to both sides in men's rights articles in the
past.

After reviewing the Arbcom case, I don't even know who got the idea that
any of the contributing editors are feminist, per se. No one even mentions
the word, except once, when describing a subject that was "slandered" in
the gamer gate article(s).

I also don't think that the edits made to the article are overwhelmingly
feminist in nature. It appears to be just a bunch of people editing the
Wikipedia article to protect it from being a hot mess of 4chan junk.

Note: most of the "in trouble" editor's aren't that productive at
contributing feminist content to Wikipedia. I have interacted with only
four of them - Black Kite, Future Perfect at Sunrise, TarainDC and Bilby -
only one is a female in real life and I know her from GLAM editing
projects. She is the only one that I know who has actively edited feminist
topics prior to this. I actually consider Bilby an ally, but, I have never
heard him or any of the other editors blatantly identify themselves as
feminists.

>From what I know, only one of the editors on the entire "trial list"
identifies out as a female.

So, it appears a bunch of editors trying to keep the article clean had to
run through the gauntlet. I don't think the end of the world has come to
any of their lives - they have plenty of other subjects of interest to keep
them busy on Wikipedia.

I also think people invest *too much* into Wikipedia to where it's what
they live for..per se. I see a lot of that in this case, and many others
that "go to court" on Wikipedia. I stopped participating on Wikipedia when
it screwed up my personal life so much, and I lost sleep over it. So...
that's my advice to anyone involved in that Arbcom case :) Go on vacation
and get another hobby and edit Wikipedia when you feel like it. It isn't
life. It's just an encyclopedia.

Sarah
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Fwd: fembot: Fwd: Ms. Fembot

[Sarah Stierch]

Forwarding this on...if you're in LA in March!  I'll be there :)

-- Forwarded message --
From: Stabile Carol 
Date: Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 11:57 AM
Subject: Fwd: Ms. Fembot
To: "Sarah T. Hamid" 


Dear Collective Members,

I just wanted to remind you about the upcoming edit-a-thon and hack-a-thons
in Los Angeles on March 6 and 7. Here’s a link to Fembot's FB post about
those events, as well as a link to the post on the Fembot website. Please
feel free to share with students and colleagues as well.
These are two separate events, held in two locations.

Because space is limited at both locations, you’ll need to register for
them.

Please register for the edit-a-thon on March 6th by contacting Kitty
Lindsay by email at klind...@feminist.org or call 866-471-3652 [toll free].

You can register for the hack-a-thon on March 7th at:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/ms-fembot-hack-a-thon-tickets-15504822341

And if you have any suggestions about people, events, organizations, etc.
we should be adding to Wikipedia, you can post those ideas here, or send
them along to me for addition.

I’ve pasted the ideas that are already on the Wikipedia page below, just to
get everyone thinking.

best,

Carol A. Stabile, Professor
Women’s and Gender Studies/School of Journalism and Communication
carol.stab...@gmail.com
·   Elizabeth A. Sackler, arts patron, founder of the Sackler Center
for Feminist Art ([1])
·   Amber Case
·   Tsin-is-tun (Jennie Michel), Clatsop Indian woman ([2])
·   Oregon Historic Sites Database has a group name: Women's History
Sites
·   Barbara K. Byrd, State Secretary of the Oregon AFL-CIO ([3])
·   Julia Ruuttila, Portland journalist and activist ([4])
·   Grace Wick, actvist ([5])
·   Mary Jane Spurlin, Oregon's first woman judge (1926)
·   Eslanda Cordoza Goode Robeson, chemist, author, activist
·   Dolores Margaret Richard Spikes, mathematician and university
president
·   Adame Ba Konaré, former first lady of Mali and history professor
·   Julie Green, artist with exhibition at JSMA
·   Rae Selling Berry (1881-1976), see Berry Botanic Garden (redirect?)
·   Beatrice Morrow Cannady, still needs expansion
·   Barbara Fealy, landscape architect
·   Dorothy Anne Hobson, need to add her and Valsetz
Star to Valsetz article
·   Julia Christianson Hoffman (1856-1934) of the Oregon College of Art
& Craft, and daughter Margery Hoffman Smith
·   LaVerne Krause, Eugene artist
·   Bethenia Angelina Owens-Adair (1840-1926), Oregon's first female
doctor, needs expansion
·   Hallie Parrish Hinges (1868-1950) from Salem, soprano, the "Oregon
Nightingale"
·   Denmo Ibrahim, playwright
·   Lisa Sergio, anti-Fascist and radio commentator
·   Rosa Lee Ingram, African American sharecropper and defendant
·   Sojourners for Truth and Justice, black women's radical protest
organization
·   Carla Robinson, Television writer, Battlestar Galactica
·   Helen De Michiel, Media artist
·   List of first female physicians by country - list (suggested by
Cool Chicks from History) needs expanding
___
fembot mailing list
fem...@lists.uoregon.edu
https://lists-prod.uoregon.edu/mailman/listinfo/fembot



-- 

Food + Drink Editor, Sonoma Valley Sun
suneats.sonomaportal.com

Museumist + OpenGLAM advocate
www.sarahstierch.com

Twitter: @Sarah_Stierch <https://twitter.com/Sarah_Stierch>
Instagram: SarahStierch <http://instagram.com/sarahstierch/>
Facebook: Sarah Stierch <https://www.facebook.com/sarah.stierch>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Fwd: fembot: Ms. Fembot THIS WEEKEND!

[Sarah Stierch]

Rare appearance by yours truly...I'll be facilitating the editathon and
hanging at the hackathon!

Sarah
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Sarah T. Hamid" 
Date: Mar 3, 2015 9:06 PM
Subject: fembot: Ms. Fembot THIS WEEKEND!
To: "gender, media & technology collaboration" 
Cc:

Reminder that the Ms. Fembot Edit-a-Thon + Hack-a-Thon is THIS weekend!
Hope to see you in Beverly Hills.

--

*Edit-a-Thon*

On Friday, March 6th, we will be writing historical figures marginalized
because of their gender into Wikipedia. Not only will we be contributing to
the world of free knowledge and ensuring the existence of a gender
inclusive history of everything, we will be training people how to make
effective and engaging entries that will outlive the participation of their
creators – ensuring the digital legacy of women, trans, and/or gender
non-conforming people in multiple discipline, fields, and periods of
history.

Location:
The Ms. Magazine Office
433 S. Beverly Drive Beverly Hills, CA

Details: http://fembotcollective.org/ms-fembot-2015/edit-a-thon/

Note: We'll be having a happy hour meet & greet after the Edit-a-Thon on
Friday at the Avalon Hotel:
Avalon Hotel, Beverly Hills
9400 W Olympic Blvd,
Beverly Hills, CA 90212

--

*Hack-a-Thon*

At our first Fembot Hack-a-thon, we created the Fembot Bot: an
auto-tweeting bot designed to auto-reply to sexist and racist hashtags.
Sadly, Twitter shut down the Fembot Bot too quickly. Join us in their
memory on Saturday, March 7th, when we will collaborate with coders,
software designers, and others at the Annenberg School to build some
awe-inspiring feminist tools and interventions.

Location:
USC Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism
Wallis Annenberg Hall (ANN), RM 106
3630 Watt Way, Los Angeles, CA

Details: http://fembotcollective.org/ms-fembot-2015/hack-a-thon/

--

For those of you who won't be able to make it out this year, follow along
on Twitter [#MsFembot] & look-out for live updates.

- - -

*Sarah T. Hamid*

MA Candidate, Media Studies
University of Oregon, School of Journalism and Communication

Web Mistress, The Fembot Collective | http://fembotcollective.org
Center for Women & Society, Digital Scholarship Center
Hendricks Hall, Room 347
___
fembot mailing list
fem...@lists.uoregon.edu
https://lists-prod.uoregon.edu/mailman/listinfo/fembot
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Fwd: [wikimedia-dc-internal] Wikipedian-in-Residence at West Virginia University Libraries

[Sarah Stierch]

Cool!

-- Forwarded message --
From: Kirill Lokshin 
Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:54 AM
Subject: [wikimedia-dc-internal] Wikipedian-in-Residence at West Virginia
University Libraries
To: Wikimedia DC Internal Mailing List <
wikimedia-dc-inter...@googlegroups.com>


Hi everyone,

FYI, West Virginia University Libraries are planning to set up a
Wikipedian-in-Residence program focused on women and gender issues:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Wikipedian_in_Residence_for_Gender_Equity
.

I'm not sure whether they'll be funded by IEG, but we should reach out to
them in any case, given that WV is technically in our region; we would
probably want to collaborate with them in one fashion or another regardless
of the funding situation.

Cheers,
Kirill

--
Kirill Lokshin
Secretary, Wikimedia District of Columbia
http://wikimediadc.org

 --
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Wikimedia DC Internal" group.
To post to this group, send email to wikimedia-dc-inter...@googlegroups.com.



-- 

Food + Drink Editor, Sonoma Valley Sun
suneats.sonomaportal.com

Museumist + OpenGLAM advocate
www.sarahstierch.com

Twitter: @Sarah_Stierch <https://twitter.com/Sarah_Stierch>
Instagram: SarahStierch <http://instagram.com/sarahstierch/>
Facebook: Sarah Stierch <https://www.facebook.com/sarah.stierch>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] DYKs for 8 March

[Sarah Stierch]

Yeah it's going to be a great group of DYK's, my Dana Claxton article it 
going to be up as well..



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Claxton

I wrote her for a photo and now she's telling me she wants to be removed 
from Wikipedia.


Been talking with GLAM folks and some others about this (so no need to 
go into how that works here, fyi)..she's telling me this and she's going 
to be a DYK (she doesn't know that)..



On 3/6/2011 8:06 PM, Laura Hale wrote:



On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case 
mailto:danc...@frontiernet.net>> wrote:



Semi related, it looks like my article about a women's sport
(netball) being played in the Cook Islands might make the Did
You Know. It just won't make it for a purely women's issue. 
It will make it because men dress as women and play the game

on a specific holiday.  (Any help improving
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netball_in_the_Cook_Islands would
be appreciated.  Any help with the good article review process
at

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Netball_in_the_Cook_Islands/GA1&action=edit&editintro=Template:GAN/editintro&preload=Template:GAN/preload

<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Netball_in_the_Cook_Islands/GA1&action=edit&editintro=Template:GAN/editintro&preload=Template:GAN/preload>
would also be appreciated.)

What an amazing coincidence ... I was the one who reviewed
that as per my DYK submission of [[Waterbury Municipal Center
Complex]]. I was quite impressed ... can we possibly get a
picture of this?
Daniel Case


Life is full of strange coincidences. :)  I was thinking of trying to 
get the netball in South Africa improved today to see if I can't get 
it up for a DYK before the article was a week old.  It is at 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netball_in_South_Africa and is really, 
very much a start article that has some huge issues at the moment.  It 
has a lot of potentially interesting information that could go into it.


The whole thing is a bit of a learning curve as I've never really 
written Wikipedia articles before... and netball seemed like a good 
place to start as it is a women's sport and getting attention to 
women's sport seems like a good goal.




--
mobile: 0412183663
twitter: purplepopple
blog: ozziesport.com <http://ozziesport.com>


___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap



--
Sarah Stierch Consulting
Historical, cultural & artistic research, advising & event planning.
--
http://www.sarahstierch.com/ <http://www.sarahstierch.com>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

[Gendergap] Wikimania 2011 - Proposals

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi everyone,

I just submitted my presentation proposal for Wikimania 2011 ("Wikimedia 
and Indigenous Peoples: Pros, Cons and Community" - 
http://tinyurl.com/4locvze), and was curious about any other proposals - 
either submitted by women, or about gender related topics and Wikimedia.


I encourage you to take a look, and if you hope to attend the conference 
(even if you've applied for funding) sign your username to the bottom of 
the talks you have interest in attending to show your support.  This 
list could be limited, as some names aren't always easy to decipher 
gender from, so please bear with me and contribute if anything is missing!


You can view all of the submissions here: http://tinyurl.com/694hzu8

/Integrating Wikipedia Projects in Technology Courses - Lessons Learned 
and Unexpected Pedagogical Values Gained /by Kari Walters (Luskari)

http://tinyurl.com/4jlkaqo

/The Wikiclinic Project/ by Claudia Ivette Herman & Vladimir Herman
http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/The_Wikiclinic_Project

/What Readers Want/ by Christine Moellenberndt
http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/What_Readers_Want

/Everything You Know About Wikipedia is Wrong/ by Mindspillage, 
Fluffernutter, Ironholds, and Kim Bruning

http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Everything_You_Know_About_Wikipedia_Is_Wrong

/Intercultural Issues Across Wikimedia Projects/ by Delphine Menard 
(Notafish)

http://tinyurl.com/4zjqtfd

/New opportunities in GLAM-Wiki collaboration/ by Lori Phillips (HstryQT)
http://tinyurl.com/4hxaefw

/Wiki-based National Content Development/ by Susanna Mkrtchyan
http://tinyurl.com/6dn3wc3

/Article Creation in the University Composition Classroom /by Lynn Marie 
Hamilton

http://tinyurl.com/5t7zwkd

There are no presentations that directly reflect women and their roles 
in Wikipedia, to my surprise! Again, if I missed someone, I apologize!


Sarah


--
Sarah Stierch Consulting
Historical, cultural & artistic research, advising & event planning.
--
http://www.sarahstierch.com/ <http://www.sarahstierch.com>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah Stierch]

Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username? 

Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)


On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer  wrote:

> Wikipedia editors,
> 
> Can someone look into Danese's pages please? 
> She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out more.
> 
> - Susan Spencer Conklin
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Danese Cooper 
> Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth?
> To: Mackenzie Morgan 
> Cc: debian-women 
> 
> 
> danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting in 
> public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave those 
> references on my page :-(.
> 
> D
> 
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Mackenzie Morgan  wrote:
> 
> > 2011/4/13 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso :
> >> This is a cute blog post:
> >>
> >> http://www.cs4fn.org/regularexpressions/knitters.php
> >>
> >> I know some of you knit, so perhaps you'll find this amusing. Btw, any
> >> Debianistas on Ravelry? I'm JordiGH there.
> >
> > I'm macoafi on Ravelry, and I wrote a blog post about crochet & coding
> > & reverse engineering a bit ago:
> > http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2010/10/algorithms-reverse-engineering-and.html
> >
> > (more of an Ubuntu person here, but I do maintain a couple Debian 
> > packages...)
> >
> > --
> > Mackenzie Morgan
> >
> >
> > --
> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org
> > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact 
> > listmas...@lists.debian.org
> > Archive: 
> > http://lists.debian.org/banlktinpatheu2snevs+4tmsnbyjtw8...@mail.gmail.com
> >
> 
> 
> --
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
> Archive: 
> http://lists.debian.org/bf0e13ac-da93-4146-80a6-7888afbed...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> ___
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah Stierch]

Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up" in the 
beginning.


I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this article. I'm 
somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it your way 
(here) before I post it.






On 4/13/2011 3:15 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:

Her wikipedia page is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper

and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been
edited a few times.  The most recent time I can see someone putting
back the removed knitting references is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767

And the most recent removal is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch  wrote:

Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?

Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)

On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer  wrote:

Wikipedia editors,

Can someone look into Danese's pages please?
She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out
more.

- Susan Spencer Conklin

-- Forwarded message --
From: Danese Cooper
Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth?
To: Mackenzie Morgan
Cc: debian-women


danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting
in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave
those references on my page :-(.



--
Sarah Stierch Consulting
Historical, cultural & artistic research, advising & event planning.
--
http://www.sarahstierch.com/ <http://www.sarahstierch.com>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah Stierch]

Perhaps I'm just too new to writing BLP's (I've written five so far, and 
I have spoken with 3 of the artists) ...I don't believe I can use 
message boards and such to cite as sources. I know I have to limit the 
self-generated sources I use, such as your blog. While I trust you, 
maybe the folks on the talk page don't :-/ ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB#Self-published_sources

Even if I have ten people confirm with me that you taught them how to 
knit, the information could very well be removed without the appropriate 
source citing.


This is a learning experience, that's for sure! And I admit, it's a bit 
surreal writing the BLP for the CTO of Wikimedia. :)


On 4/13/2011 3:58 PM, Danese Cooper wrote:

Hi there...

So, first of all (since Susan who originally posted this didn't know) 
I'm employed by Wikimedia Foundation.  My bio page predates my 
employment by 6 years, but when I started working for WMF the 
Community did a "make-over" on my page and I had to re-prove many 
facts of my life.  This year, on roughly the anniversary of my hire, a 
deletionist tried to invalidate my bio because it was mostly Open 
Source folks who had edited it and therefore the deletionist claimed 
Conflict Of Interest (you can see it all in Discussion and subsequent 
ArbCom query)...somehow in that fracas, the knitting references were 
dropped and not replaced...which I think is a pity because when it is 
there many people ask me about knitting in public and I've been able 
to get several programmers (of both genders) to learn to knit as a way 
to deal with attention issues.


As a sidenote in case you wish to restore the whole Personal 
section...here's a better link that explains my Dad really did own a 
rare Alfa Romeo with my unusual name spelling.


http://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-382563.html

and also

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4406/Nardi-Danese-Alfa-Romeo-Roadster.html 
 Ours was the chassis 948-11, which is described at the bottom of the 
article.


D

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <mailto:maco...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Her wikipedia page is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper

and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been
edited a few times.  The most recent time I can see someone putting
back the removed knitting references is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767>

And the most recent removal is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343>

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch
mailto:sa...@sarahstierch.com>> wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?
>
> Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or
errors! :)
>
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer
mailto:susan.spen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Wikipedia editors,
>
> Can someone look into Danese's pages please?
> She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to
find out
> more.
>
> - Susan Spencer Conklin
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Danese Cooper mailto:dan...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth?
> To: Mackenzie Morgan mailto:maco...@gmail.com>>
> Cc: debian-women mailto:debian-wo...@lists.debian.org>>
>
>
> danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot
about knitting
> in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community
won't leave
> those references on my page :-(.

--
Mackenzie Morgan


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org
<mailto:debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org>
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
listmas...@lists.debian.org <mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org>
Archive:

http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTikBJ9NGyF2fzvL5ObKjG-6WEBuH=a...@mail.gmail.com





--
Sarah Stierch Consulting
Historical, cultural & artistic research, advising & event planning.
--
http://www.sarahstierch.com/ <http://www.sarahstierch.com>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah Stierch]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper

I was able to find a citing source about your knitting, but, I can't use 
the self-published sources about your dads car. Now, if someone wants to 
interview you and write that article, then sweet, I can use it =)


Sarah

On 4/13/2011 3:58 PM, Danese Cooper wrote:

Hi there...

So, first of all (since Susan who originally posted this didn't know) 
I'm employed by Wikimedia Foundation.  My bio page predates my 
employment by 6 years, but when I started working for WMF the 
Community did a "make-over" on my page and I had to re-prove many 
facts of my life.  This year, on roughly the anniversary of my hire, a 
deletionist tried to invalidate my bio because it was mostly Open 
Source folks who had edited it and therefore the deletionist claimed 
Conflict Of Interest (you can see it all in Discussion and subsequent 
ArbCom query)...somehow in that fracas, the knitting references were 
dropped and not replaced...which I think is a pity because when it is 
there many people ask me about knitting in public and I've been able 
to get several programmers (of both genders) to learn to knit as a way 
to deal with attention issues.


As a sidenote in case you wish to restore the whole Personal 
section...here's a better link that explains my Dad really did own a 
rare Alfa Romeo with my unusual name spelling.


http://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-382563.html

and also

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4406/Nardi-Danese-Alfa-Romeo-Roadster.html 
 Ours was the chassis 948-11, which is described at the bottom of the 
article.


D

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <mailto:maco...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Her wikipedia page is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper

and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been
edited a few times.  The most recent time I can see someone putting
back the removed knitting references is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767>

And the most recent removal is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343>

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch
mailto:sa...@sarahstierch.com>> wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?
>
> Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or
errors! :)
>
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer
mailto:susan.spen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Wikipedia editors,
>
> Can someone look into Danese's pages please?
> She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to
find out
> more.
>
> - Susan Spencer Conklin
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Danese Cooper mailto:dan...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth?
> To: Mackenzie Morgan mailto:maco...@gmail.com>>
> Cc: debian-women mailto:debian-wo...@lists.debian.org>>
>
>
> danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot
about knitting
> in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community
won't leave
> those references on my page :-(.

--
Mackenzie Morgan


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org
<mailto:debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org>
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
listmas...@lists.debian.org <mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org>
Archive:

http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTikBJ9NGyF2fzvL5ObKjG-6WEBuH=a...@mail.gmail.com





--
Sarah Stierch Consulting
Historical, cultural & artistic research, advising & event planning.
--
http://www.sarahstierch.com/ <http://www.sarahstierch.com>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi. I actually brought up the issues with the references. While the 
second article about the car is not self-published, it does not state in 
the article that Danese is related to the owner of the vehicle or is 
named after. While she leaves a comment thanking them for the 
information about the Nardi-Danese Alfa Romeo Roadster, it is not cited 
in the article. The latter part I'd consider self-published (her post). 
Perhaps I'm wrong.


The other source is also from forums, which I also think are considered 
self-published. Again, I could be wrong in this?


On another note, I think it'd be really great to see your families 
writing documented. Perhaps there are other options for their release 
into the Wiki world. Perhaps even Commons, by making oral history 
recordings.


I hate being Debbie Downer, I just know that if it's not cited 
appropriately, it'll be questioned.  If someone wants to add the 
information, go for it. I already did my part to re-write the article, 
and Fred lent a hand too.


:D

Sarah

On 4/14/2011 3:12 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:

Fred,

I agree with you.
Especially with handkraft information, there won't be 'references'.
You can't reference what your grandmother or great-grandmother taught you.
Same is true with fairytales or folklore.
I'd like to post some of the Irish tales my grandmother taught me.
I haven't seen them published.   It would be a shame for them to die
because some bonehead decided there should be a published 'reference'.
Which means I won't be able to post what I know, what isn't in any of the
hundreds of sewing books I own, from the 19th century til 2011.
So, I'm rethinking my plans of eventual posting.  I don't want to get 
caught in a shit storm.

What I love is what I love, I don't want it spoiled by argument.

Plus Danese's article about the car wasn't self-published, so where's 
the catch?

Let it stand...

- Susan

--

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:48:09 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Fred Bauder" mailto:fredb...@fairpoint.net>>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting,
   needs investigating
To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects"
mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Message-ID:
<40246.66.243.192.69.1302731289.squir...@webmail.fairpoint.net
<mailto:40246.66.243.192.69.1302731289.squir...@webmail.fairpoint.net>>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 13:35, Sarah Stierch
mailto:sa...@sarahstierch.com>>
> wrote:
>> Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up"
in the
>> beginning.
>>
>> I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this
article. I'm
>> somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it
your way
>> (here)
>> before I post it.
>>
> Could someone say again which article and talk page we're
discussing?
> I've looked at this one --
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper -- but can't see the
issue.
> Ditto with the talk page.
>
> Sarah

Here is the removal of the information about knitting:


https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328

<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328>

Removed again:


https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328

<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328>

This is where it was put in:


https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=prev&oldid=341488635

<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=prev&oldid=341488635>

Seems harmless enough, and hardly requires a substantial reference.

Fred






___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap



--
Sarah Stierch Consulting
Historical, cultural & artistic research, advising & event planning.
--
http://www.sarahstierch.com/ <http://www.sarahstierch.com>
___
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap