configuration of svn [Was: svn commit: r1477438 - /incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml]

2013-05-06 Thread David Crossley
How do new files that are added to svn, get these properties set?
We cannot see the diffs.

There are also other new ones in SVN that do not have eol-style set.
http://apache.org/dev/version-control.html#https-svn-config

Is it that people do not have correct configuration, or is this
the CMS?

-David

sma...@apache.org wrote:
 Author: smarru
 Date: Tue Apr 30 01:17:52 2013
 New Revision: 1477438
 
 URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1477438
 Log:
 adding jclouds template status page
 
 Added:
 incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml   (with props)
 
 Added: incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml
 URL: 
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml?rev=1477438view=auto
 ==
 Binary file - no diff available.
 
 Propchange: incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml
 --
 svn:mime-type = application/xml
 

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Re: configuration of svn [Was: svn commit: r1477438 - /incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml]

2013-05-06 Thread Greg Stein
After you add a file (and before commit), you can use 'svn propset' to
set properties.

In addition, there are auto props in your personal configuration
file. If people in a group don't have the autoprops set similarly,
then your default props can (obviously) vary. Subversion 1.8 (*) will
provide assistance with unifying autoprops across group members.

Cheers,
-g

[1] 
http://subversion.apache.org/docs/release-notes/1.8.html#repos-dictated-config

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:18 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote:
 How do new files that are added to svn, get these properties set?
 We cannot see the diffs.

 There are also other new ones in SVN that do not have eol-style set.
 http://apache.org/dev/version-control.html#https-svn-config

 Is it that people do not have correct configuration, or is this
 the CMS?

 -David

 sma...@apache.org wrote:
 Author: smarru
 Date: Tue Apr 30 01:17:52 2013
 New Revision: 1477438

 URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1477438
 Log:
 adding jclouds template status page

 Added:
 incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml   (with props)

 Added: incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml
 URL: 
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml?rev=1477438view=auto
 ==
 Binary file - no diff available.

 Propchange: incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml
 --
 svn:mime-type = application/xml


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Re: configuration of svn [Was: svn commit: r1477438 - /incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml]

2013-05-06 Thread sebb
A further wrinkle here is that SVN treats

application/xml

as binary.

To be treated as text, an XML file needs to be

text/xml

or similar, see:

http://subversion.apache.org/faq.html#binary-files



On 6 May 2013 10:25, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:

 After you add a file (and before commit), you can use 'svn propset' to
 set properties.

 In addition, there are auto props in your personal configuration
 file. If people in a group don't have the autoprops set similarly,
 then your default props can (obviously) vary. Subversion 1.8 (*) will
 provide assistance with unifying autoprops across group members.

 Cheers,
 -g

 [1]
 http://subversion.apache.org/docs/release-notes/1.8.html#repos-dictated-config

 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:18 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org
 wrote:
  How do new files that are added to svn, get these properties set?
  We cannot see the diffs.
 
  There are also other new ones in SVN that do not have eol-style set.
  http://apache.org/dev/version-control.html#https-svn-config
 
  Is it that people do not have correct configuration, or is this
  the CMS?
 
  -David
 
  sma...@apache.org wrote:
  Author: smarru
  Date: Tue Apr 30 01:17:52 2013
  New Revision: 1477438
 
  URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1477438
  Log:
  adding jclouds template status page
 
  Added:
  incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml   (with props)
 
  Added: incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml
  URL:
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml?rev=1477438view=auto
 
 ==
  Binary file - no diff available.
 
  Propchange: incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml
 
 --
  svn:mime-type = application/xml
 
 
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Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-06 Thread Benson Margulies
Chris,

I consider that proposal adopted, and I'm looking to build on it, by
adding a few specifics. I plan to ask for helpers to ensure that every
project has a Champion, for starts.

--benson

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
 Hey Guys,

 Sorry but what are we discussing that's different from formalizing
 the role of the Champion, this thread originally started by Bertrand,
 and seconded by me and numerous others [1]?

 Cheers,
 Chris

 [1] http://s.apache.org/U6w
 ++
 Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
 Senior Computer Scientist
 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
 Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
 WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
 ++
 Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
 University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
 ++






 -Original Message-
 From: Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk
 Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
 Date: Sunday, May 5, 2013 10:43 PM
 To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
 Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

Having read your wiki post, I find it a simple, considered upping of the
game, which I think would be worth the effort of trying, especially as
the mini-reports don't get to the board unless there are issues. There
really could do with being a little more 'cost' to being a podling, or a
mentor for that matter, and this proposal moves gently in that
direction.

If folks approve, we'll need to seek champions for all existing
podlings, and decide what to do about those for which we cannot identify
one.

Upayavira

On Mon, May 6, 2013, at 02:56 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
 Discussions on Ross' and Chris' proposals ground to a halt.

 In my view, there are real issues that drove those discussions, even if
 those discussions drove some of us to distraction.

 A bit before the wiki crashed, I wrote:

 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BensonApril2013ProcessProposals

 The TL;DR version of this is:

 1: let's take Champions seriously as a role
 2: let's ask for a minimal heartbeat from every podling every month

 As the person responsible for filing the report, it seems to me that I
 could, with some justification,  ask the Champions and mentors to please
 comply with these ideas, with the goal of having a more accurate picture
 to
 present. However, I'd rather seek a consensus for these, or something
 like
 them, as a formal procedure.

 Note that I labelled this thread [META DISCUSS]. I invite people with
 views
 on these ideas to start a thread or threads as appropriate. I would ask
 people, as a favor to me and others, not to use these ideas as a
 launchpad
 'let's radically restructure instead.' These will reach a consensus or
 not,
 and other proposals will reach a consensus or not, but I submit that it
 is
 easier on us all to deal with them one-at-a-time.

 --benson

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Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-06 Thread Tim Williams
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 Discussions on Ross' and Chris' proposals ground to a halt.

 In my view, there are real issues that drove those discussions, even if
 those discussions drove some of us to distraction.

 A bit before the wiki crashed, I wrote:

 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BensonApril2013ProcessProposals

 The TL;DR version of this is:

 1: let's take Champions seriously as a role
 2: let's ask for a minimal heartbeat from every podling every month

Monthly reporting is overly burdensome (yes, even a
tiny-little-heartbeat report).  Let's please not add overhead/burden
to healthy podlings for the sake of the few unhealthy.

Thanks,
--tim

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Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi,

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...I consider that proposal adopted, and I'm looking to build on it, by
 adding a few specifics...

Sounds good to me - we haven't really acted on the clarifications to
the champion role that we added a while ago to [1], Benson's proposal
is the logical next step.

-Bertrand

[1] 
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion

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[VOTE] S4 0.6.0 Incubating Release Candidate 5

2013-05-06 Thread Matthieu Morel
Hello,

this is the *fifth* release candidate for Apache S4, version 0.6.0

We fixed 2 blocking issues wrt RC1, related to s4 tools, 1 blocking issue in 
RC2, related to metrics logging configuration, issues related to the package 
contents and license headers in RC3, and removed included javadoc files in RC4.



This release fixes the following issues:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12312322version=12321702


*** Please download, test and vote by Thursday, May 9th 2013, 13:00:00 GMT ***


Note that we are voting upon the source (tag).


Source package in zip format:

http://people.apache.org/~mmorel/s4-0.6.0-incubating-release-candidate-5/



The (git) tag to be voted upon: 0.6.0-RC5:

https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-s4.git;a=tree;h=8b43b317104cfc9ebc42f6e8ec9c9557867155aa;hb=2f474503e2da111601bb92ca7186c136ba28e5b0



S4 KEYS file containing PGP keys we use to sign the release:

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/s4/dist/KEYS


The README.md file contains instructions for installing the gradle wrapper 
(which is not shipped with the source release).


We include a RAT check task. (Can be used by fetching rat from /lib dir in the 
git repo and using the .rat-excludes file at the root of the git repo)

It can be run with :
gradlew rat  output


Please cast your vote, thanks!


[ ] +1  approve
[ ] +0  no opinion
[ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)



NOTES:

- All releases by podlings must be approved by the Incubator PMC. The 
conventional process is for the podling to follow the usual Apache process and 
then call for a Incubator PMC VOTE on the general incubator list. 
For RC5 however, following recommendations from our mentors, we are proceeding 
to a parallel vote on both general@incubator and s4-dev  



RE: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-06 Thread Chen, Pei
I have to agree with Tim here if a champion has to manually generate this 
report:  a monthly report that says simple heartbeat that says podling is 
alive and the mentors are on board?
However,  I think something like this can be automated.  What if we had a 
script that counts the total number of emails sent by the mentors to the 
respective mailing lists each month?  If it's 1, then raise an warning?

--Pei

 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Williams [mailto:william...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:24 AM
 To: general@incubator.apache.org
 Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
 
 On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Discussions on Ross' and Chris' proposals ground to a halt.
 
  In my view, there are real issues that drove those discussions, even
  if those discussions drove some of us to distraction.
 
  A bit before the wiki crashed, I wrote:
 
  http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BensonApril2013ProcessProposals
 
  The TL;DR version of this is:
 
  1: let's take Champions seriously as a role
  2: let's ask for a minimal heartbeat from every podling every month
 
 Monthly reporting is overly burdensome (yes, even a tiny-little-heartbeat
 report).  Let's please not add overhead/burden to healthy podlings for the
 sake of the few unhealthy.
 
 Thanks,
 --tim
 
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Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-06 Thread Luciano Resende
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Chen, Pei
pei.c...@childrens.harvard.edu wrote:
 I have to agree with Tim here if a champion has to manually generate this 
 report:  a monthly report that says simple heartbeat that says podling is 
 alive and the mentors are on board?
 However,  I think something like this can be automated.  What if we had a 
 script that counts the total number of emails sent by the mentors to the 
 respective mailing lists each month?  If it's 1, then raise an warning?

 --Pei


Make sure this script would include PPMC private list.

--
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/

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Re: Time for April 2013 Incubator PMC report

2013-05-06 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
Hey Ben,

Since I missed this last month, I've added a report for Mesos
based on the below to the May 2013 report, here:

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/May2013

I went ahead and updated your original template report and signed
off on it.

Thanks for pushing this. IPMC, note this is an out of band report
from Mesos to let folks know what's going on with the project.

Cheers,
Chris

++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++






-Original Message-
From: Mattmann, jpluser chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov
Reply-To: mesos-...@incubator.apache.org mesos-...@incubator.apache.org
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:12 AM
To: mesos-...@incubator.apache.org mesos-...@incubator.apache.org
Cc: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Time for April 2013 Incubator PMC report

Great job, Ben. 

We can go ahead and include this in next month's Incubator report
since I was underwater the past week and didn't catch this until now.

CC'ing general@incubator so they know you did this on time and
Mesos PPMC handled its business here.

Cheers,
Chris

++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++






-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Mahler benjamin.mah...@gmail.com
Reply-To: mesos-...@incubator.apache.org
mesos-...@incubator.apache.org
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 8:17 PM
To: mesos-...@incubator.apache.org mesos-...@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Time for April 2013 Incubator PMC report

Hey Chris,

I wrote up a draft report:


Mesos

Mesos is a cluster manager that provides resource sharing and
isolation across cluster applications.

Mesos has been incubating since 2010-12-23.

Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:

  1. Improved documentation and support.
  2. Grow community (more developers contributing as the end goal).
  3. Mentor and add additional commit

Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
aware of?

We would like to move to git, and have been waiting for
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6065, but we've seen no
activity on the ticket as of yet. We've also had a hard time getting
votes for our releases, as before.

How has the community developed since the last report?

We've seen an increase in activity on the mailing list. Airbnb has
been increasingly using Mesos, not only for Chronos, but also for
Hadoop (using our newly written Hadoop framework). There has also been
a production engineering meetup where Mesos was presented:
http://www.meetup.com/SF-Bay-Area-Large-Scale-Production-Engineering/even
t
s/97563092/

How has the project developed since the last report?

On top of the usual bug fixes and reliability improvements, we've
implemented resource monitoring to gain visibility into the resource
consumption of executors running in Mesos. We are also much closer to
shipping a feature that allows the slave to upgrade gracefully
(without killing all tasks underneath it).



On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) 
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:

 Hi Mesos Peeps,

 Time for an IPMC report for April 2013:

 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2013


 Anyone want to take a crack at it before I review
 and/or update and sign off?

 Cheers,
 Chris

 ++
 Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
 Senior Computer Scientist
 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
 Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
 WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
 ++
 Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
 University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
 ++








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Looking for a Champion

2013-05-06 Thread Tom Everett
Good afternoon.

I have a project which I am hoping to submit to the incubator, and I
understand from the documentation that it is recommended to identify a
champion prior to the incubator application. Is this mailing list an
appropriate place to solicit for such a person?



-- 
A better world shall emerge based on faith and understanding  - Douglas
MacArthur


[VOTE] [IP Clearance] Apache Lucene Korean morphological analyzer

2013-05-06 Thread Steve Rowe
SooMyung Lee has offered to contribute a Korean morphological analyzer to the 
Apache Lucene project.

The contributed code is attached to the LUCENE-4956 JIRA issue[1], which is 
being used to track development of this contribution.

The code with license headers added where they were not in the original 
contributed code is committed on a branch within Lucene's Subversion 
repository[2], at revision 1479391.  Arirang, from the name of a Korean folk 
song[3], is the module name that this Korean analyzer contribution will have 
within the Lucene Core product.

The IP Clearance form for this contribution has been committed to the Incubator 
website.[4]

Please vote to approve this contribution.  Lazy consensus applies: if no -1 
votes are cast within the next 72 hours, the vote passes.

Steve Rowe
Lucene PMC Chair

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-4956
[2] 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/lucene/dev/branches/lucene4956/lucene/analysis/arirang/
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arirang
[4] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/lucene-korean-analyzer.html


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[VOTE] [IP Clearance] Apache Lucene Korean morphological analyzer

2013-05-06 Thread Steve Rowe
SooMyung Lee has offered to contribute a Korean morphological analyzer to the 
Apache Lucene project.

The contributed code is attached to the LUCENE-4956 JIRA issue[1], which is 
being used to track development of this contribution.

The code with license headers added where they were not in the original 
contributed code is committed on a branch within Lucene's Subversion 
repository[2], at revision 1479391.  Arirang, from the name of a Korean folk 
song[3], is the module name that this Korean analyzer contribution will have 
within the Lucene Core product.

The IP Clearance form for this contribution has been committed to the Incubator 
website.[4]

Please vote to approve this contribution.  Lazy consensus applies: if no -1 
votes are cast within the next 72 hours, the vote passes.

Steve Rowe
Lucene PMC Chair

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-4956
[2] 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/lucene/dev/branches/lucene4956/lucene/analysis/arirang/
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arirang
[4] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/lucene-korean-analyzer.html


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[IP CLEARANCE] CloudStack Marvin Test Suite

2013-05-06 Thread Chip Childers
Citrix has donated the source code artifact detailed at [1] to the ASF.
This email is to request lazy consensus from the IPMC for the IP
clearance of this donation.

Please reply with questions or concerns if there are any.

-chip

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/cloudstack-marvin-test-suite.html

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[VOTE] Release Curator 2.0.0-incubating

2013-05-06 Thread Jordan Zimmerman
Hello,

This is a vote for the release of Apache Curator 2.0.0-incubating

This has been voted on via the d...@curator.incubator.apache.org mailing list 
(vote thread [1], and results [2]), and now requires a vote on 
general@incubator.apache.org.

3 IPMC votes have already been cast on the vote held on dev@curator:

+1 (PPMC / binding) 
* Patrick Hunt
* Luciano Resende
* Enis Söztutar

There were 0 -1 or +0 votes cast. 

*** Please download, test and vote by [N working days after sending].

Note that we are voting upon the source (tag), binaries are provided for 
convenience.

Link to release notes:
* no release notes as this is the initial release *

Staging repo:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/curator/2.0.0-incubating/

Binary artifacts:
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecurator-160/

The tag to be voted upon:
https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-curator.git;a=tag;h=9bd468d1eafeae5f1da1a64a93e4bb459c133a15

Curator's KEYS file containing PGP keys we use to sign the release:
http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/curator/KEYS

[ ] +1  approve
[ ] +0  no opinion
[ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)

Thanks!

[1] 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-curator-dev/201305.mbox/%3C0780417E-F669-43A7-9907-786798C30FF6%40netflix.com%3E
[2] 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-curator-dev/201305.mbox/%3c780fec29-678b-4944-9224-298c042cb...@jordanzimmerman.com%3E



Re: configuration of svn [Was: svn commit: r1477438 - /incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml]

2013-05-06 Thread David Crossley
Thanks for the additional information.

Would the following people please attend to their configuration:
http://apache.org/dev/version-control.html#https-svn-config

These are the initial committers for the following recently added files:

phunt : content/projects/curator.xml
acmurthy : content/projects/falcon.xml
rvs : content/projects/hdt.xml
marru : content/projects/jclouds.xml
ddas : content/projects/knox.xml
edwardyoon : content/projects/mrql.xml
mfranklin : content/projects/streams.xml
jghoman : content/projects/tajo.xml
acmurthy : content/projects/tez.xml

There are also a stack of recent ones under content/ip-clearance/ directory.
Would people who have recently added files there please fix yourself.

-David

sebb wrote:
 A further wrinkle here is that SVN treats
 
 application/xml
 
 as binary.
 
 To be treated as text, an XML file needs to be
 
 text/xml
 
 or similar, see:
 
 http://subversion.apache.org/faq.html#binary-files
 
 
 
 On 6 May 2013 10:25, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  After you add a file (and before commit), you can use 'svn propset' to
  set properties.
 
  In addition, there are auto props in your personal configuration
  file. If people in a group don't have the autoprops set similarly,
  then your default props can (obviously) vary. Subversion 1.8 (*) will
  provide assistance with unifying autoprops across group members.
 
  Cheers,
  -g
 
  [1]
  http://subversion.apache.org/docs/release-notes/1.8.html#repos-dictated-config
 
  On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:18 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org
  wrote:
   How do new files that are added to svn, get these properties set?
   We cannot see the diffs.
  
   There are also other new ones in SVN that do not have eol-style set.
   http://apache.org/dev/version-control.html#https-svn-config
  
   Is it that people do not have correct configuration, or is this
   the CMS?
  
   -David
  
   sma...@apache.org wrote:
   Author: smarru
   Date: Tue Apr 30 01:17:52 2013
   New Revision: 1477438
  
   URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1477438
   Log:
   adding jclouds template status page
  
   Added:
   incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml   (with props)
  
   Added: incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml
   URL:
  http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml?rev=1477438view=auto
  
  ==
   Binary file - no diff available.
  
   Propchange: incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml
  
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   svn:mime-type = application/xml
  
  
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Re: Looking for a Champion

2013-05-06 Thread Suresh Marru
Yes this is the right list for soliciting champion and mentors. 

Suresh

On May 6, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Tom Everett t...@khubla.com wrote:

 Good afternoon.
 
 I have a project which I am hoping to submit to the incubator, and I
 understand from the documentation that it is recommended to identify a
 champion prior to the incubator application. Is this mailing list an
 appropriate place to solicit for such a person?
 
 
 
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Re: Looking for a Champion

2013-05-06 Thread Tom Everett
Thank-you.  I am looking for both champion and mentors, for this project:

http://blog.khubla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/pragmatach-incubator-proposal.pdf

I hope that a pdf document is acceptable.  The web site is here

http://www.pragmatach.com

If you're interested, there is a web-based presentation here:

http://pragmatach.com/slideshow/index.html

If there is any more information I can supply that might be of interest
please let me know.





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 Yes this is the right list for soliciting champion and mentors.

 Suresh

 On May 6, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Tom Everett t...@khubla.com wrote:

  Good afternoon.
 
  I have a project which I am hoping to submit to the incubator, and I
  understand from the documentation that it is recommended to identify a
  champion prior to the incubator application. Is this mailing list an
  appropriate place to solicit for such a person?
 
 
 
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Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-06 Thread Alan Cabrera
On May 5, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 Discussions on Ross' and Chris' proposals ground to a halt.
 
 In my view, there are real issues that drove those discussions, even if
 those discussions drove some of us to distraction.
 
 A bit before the wiki crashed, I wrote:
 
 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BensonApril2013ProcessProposals
 
 The TL;DR version of this is:
 
 1: let's take Champions seriously as a role
 2: let's ask for a minimal heartbeat from every podling every month

What we're virtually left with is one mentor, now called a champion.  Removing 
hard responsibilities from the mentor effectively nullifies the mentor role.

Let's get rid of champions and shepherds and hold the mentors to their 
responsibilities.


Regards,
Alan



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