Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal
Hi Mike, there is not really a specific target group for these trainings. It is our feeling, that there are a large number of parties out there that could benefit from properly maintained training materials for open source software. We noticed a few issues around training when talking to other companies recently, that sparked the idea for this proposal. - Writing training material is hard and takes time - Keeping training material up to date is even harder - Everybody has the same tooling issues (i.e. how to keep Powerpoints under version control) around this The cumulative effort for those items is quite often too large for all but the largest companies, because usually you just spend time on this when someone pays for a training. So our intention is for this project to become a platform for trainings on all kinds of topics - probably mostly on specific software projects, but I see no reason why there should not be a training on for example "The Apache way" as well. So in summary, your answer "it is all of that" probably was correct :) I hope that helps, of not, please don't hesitate to get back to us! Best regards, Sönke I think your anwer "it is all of that" best fits our intentions :) On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 11:32 PM Michael Wall wrote: > > Lars, > > Interesting proposal. Can you talk more about who this training is for? I > can't tell if it is for internal use, like helping new mentors and PMC > Chairs, or external use like teaching companies how the ASF does business > or how to use a specific Apache project. Maybe it is all of that. > > Thanks > > Mike > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 7:49 AM Lars Francke wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > this is the result of the discussion I started in December 2018[1]. > > > > I would like to start this thread to get feedback on a proposal we've been > > working on for a project focused on developing training material for Apache > > & 3rd party projects. > > > > The full proposal can be found here < > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TrainingProposal> > > > > Disclaimer: It is a bit different than most other proposals as it basically > > starts at zero. > > > > Our main goals for this discussion are: > > * Finding mentors and interested contributors > > * Discuss whether this should be a Incubator project, straight to TLP or a > > Central Service > > * Sharpen the scope of the project > > > > While I personally have a relatively long history as a contributor, > > committer etc. at Apache I've never been a mentor before so we would love > > for some experienced people to help us out. > > > > We're looking forward to all kinds of feedback. > > > > Cheers, > > Lars > > > > [1] < > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9cb4d7eef73e0d526e0124944c3d37325aa892675351a1eed0a25de3@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > > > > > -- Sönke Liebau Partner Tel. +49 179 7940878 OpenCore GmbH & Co. KG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 8 - 22880 Wedel - Germany - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal
Lars, Interesting proposal. Can you talk more about who this training is for? I can't tell if it is for internal use, like helping new mentors and PMC Chairs, or external use like teaching companies how the ASF does business or how to use a specific Apache project. Maybe it is all of that. Thanks Mike On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 7:49 AM Lars Francke wrote: > Hello everyone, > > this is the result of the discussion I started in December 2018[1]. > > I would like to start this thread to get feedback on a proposal we've been > working on for a project focused on developing training material for Apache > & 3rd party projects. > > The full proposal can be found here < > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TrainingProposal> > > Disclaimer: It is a bit different than most other proposals as it basically > starts at zero. > > Our main goals for this discussion are: > * Finding mentors and interested contributors > * Discuss whether this should be a Incubator project, straight to TLP or a > Central Service > * Sharpen the scope of the project > > While I personally have a relatively long history as a contributor, > committer etc. at Apache I've never been a mentor before so we would love > for some experienced people to help us out. > > We're looking forward to all kinds of feedback. > > Cheers, > Lars > > [1] < > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9cb4d7eef73e0d526e0124944c3d37325aa892675351a1eed0a25de3@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal
> > thank you! I'm not at home right now and can't edit the Wiki now but I'll > do so later (or you'll do it yourself)? > I have added you to the Wiki now. > Your mail actually sparked a thought. I'm not sure about the "limits" to > an initial contributor/committer list and how to go about selecting those. > I'm in no position to judge anyone on this list but do I even need to just > because I've written the proposal? I guess usually it's easier when you > start with an existing codebase because you can just pick past contributors > and new ones have to prove themselves in the normal ways. Here it's a bit > different. > > I'll start a separate thread about this. > > Cheers, > Lars > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 4:17 PM Furkan KAMACI > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I'm a member of The Apache Software Foundation, PMC member of Apache >> Incubator, Committer and PMC member of Apache Gora, Committer and PMC >> member of Apache Nutch, Committer and PMC member of Apache Clerezza, >> Committer of Apache ManifoldCF, Committer of Apache Stanbol and mail list >> moderator of Apache Solr. I'm also a member of W3C (World Wide Web >> Consortium). >> >> I have a work experience +10 years including companies as like >> Alcatel-Lucent/Nokia and has an academical background. Currently, I have a >> company named as LAGOM which works on Big Data and Machine Learning and >> contributes to open source projects. >> >> I am a blogger and public speaker about Open Source Development. I would >> like to share my experiences and be on the (P)PMC/initial committer list >> too. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Furkan KAMACI >> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 6:04 PM Lars Francke >> wrote: >> >> > Justin, >> > >> > that's great to hear. And yes please. I'll add you to the Wiki. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Lars >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 12:35 AM Justin Mclean < >> jus...@classsoftware.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > I’ll comment on the other parts of the proposal once I’ve thought >> about >> > it >> > > a bit, but I’m also have a decent amount of training and course >> creation >> > > experience and would like to be on the (P)PMC / initial committer >> list if >> > > you'll have me. Assuming you go down the IPMC I’d also happy to be a >> > > mentor. I also have some material I can donate around the Apache Way >> and >> > > the Incubator. >> > > >> > > JFYI I’m currently teaching at a university (on computational design) >> and >> > > teaching/assessing at an online collage 2 1/2 days a week on >> > programming. I >> > > finished a qualification in teaching last year and starting another >> one >> > in >> > > a month time. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Justin >> > > - >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > >> > > >> > >> >
Re: Meritocracy, initial contributors and (Incubator) Proposals
Hi, > Is everyone just added to the list of contributors/PMC members? In my experience for a project going via the incubator generally anyone who asks is added (I can only recall one case where this was not the case and it had a very large list of initial committers). For straight to TLPs that’s not been the case but given they are fairly rare and each different it’s going to depend. > Now, I know some of the people who have contacted me, and I am honored that > they chose to work with me/us on this project. Most people on here I have > never met though and even though I may have read some names on the mailing > list I have no way of assessing whether they are a good fit for a project. Perhaps list out what you see as a good fit / what you are looking for in an initial committer and let people judge themselves against that? > On the other hand, it would be a pity to have a PMC/initial contributors > list with inactive people and no way to "prune" it. There is no issue with having inactive PMC members, and no project bylaws/guidlines I’m aware are based on total number. If you go via the incubator you can also prune the PMC on graduation by asking who wants to stay on. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Meritocracy, initial contributors and (Incubator) Proposals
Hello everyone, I should have thought of this before, but I didn't. I also did some research in the mailing list archives, but the search terms are so common, I didn't come up with anything. Meritocracy is valued strongly at the ASF. Usually it is granted post-fact when someone has proven her- or himself. There are lots of problems with that too, but this is not about that. This is related to the Training proposal on this list that I started yesterday. Proposals (and this especially) are a way to be granted something that you usually have to work for (prove merit). I'm wondering what has been done in the past in these situations? Is everyone just added to the list of contributors/PMC members? There is no real limit to the number of people that can be part of the initial team as far as I know. Now, I know some of the people who have contacted me, and I am honored that they chose to work with me/us on this project. Most people on here I have never met though and even though I may have read some names on the mailing list I have no way of assessing whether they are a good fit for a project. I would usually just trust implicitly (by being on this list, contributor to other projects etc.) and would say "the more the merrier". In this case I happen to be the one who's written the proposal but it could have been anyone really. Should it really be me judging who's a good fit? When do we/I say "stop, we have enough"? On the other hand, it would be a pity to have a PMC/initial contributors list with inactive people and no way to "prune" it. This can be problematic depending on bylaws (which I've been bitten by already in another project) and for other reasons. I'm looking for any advice and past experiences. Cheers, Lars
Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal
Furkan, thank you! I'm not at home right now and can't edit the Wiki now but I'll do so later (or you'll do it yourself)? Your mail actually sparked a thought. I'm not sure about the "limits" to an initial contributor/committer list and how to go about selecting those. I'm in no position to judge anyone on this list but do I even need to just because I've written the proposal? I guess usually it's easier when you start with an existing codebase because you can just pick past contributors and new ones have to prove themselves in the normal ways. Here it's a bit different. I'll start a separate thread about this. Cheers, Lars On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 4:17 PM Furkan KAMACI wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm a member of The Apache Software Foundation, PMC member of Apache > Incubator, Committer and PMC member of Apache Gora, Committer and PMC > member of Apache Nutch, Committer and PMC member of Apache Clerezza, > Committer of Apache ManifoldCF, Committer of Apache Stanbol and mail list > moderator of Apache Solr. I'm also a member of W3C (World Wide Web > Consortium). > > I have a work experience +10 years including companies as like > Alcatel-Lucent/Nokia and has an academical background. Currently, I have a > company named as LAGOM which works on Big Data and Machine Learning and > contributes to open source projects. > > I am a blogger and public speaker about Open Source Development. I would > like to share my experiences and be on the (P)PMC/initial committer list > too. > > Kind Regards, > Furkan KAMACI > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 6:04 PM Lars Francke > wrote: > > > Justin, > > > > that's great to hear. And yes please. I'll add you to the Wiki. > > > > Cheers, > > Lars > > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 12:35 AM Justin Mclean > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I’ll comment on the other parts of the proposal once I’ve thought about > > it > > > a bit, but I’m also have a decent amount of training and course > creation > > > experience and would like to be on the (P)PMC / initial committer list > if > > > you'll have me. Assuming you go down the IPMC I’d also happy to be a > > > mentor. I also have some material I can donate around the Apache Way > and > > > the Incubator. > > > > > > JFYI I’m currently teaching at a university (on computational design) > and > > > teaching/assessing at an online collage 2 1/2 days a week on > > programming. I > > > finished a qualification in teaching last year and starting another one > > in > > > a month time. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Justin > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal
Hi All, I'm a member of The Apache Software Foundation, PMC member of Apache Incubator, Committer and PMC member of Apache Gora, Committer and PMC member of Apache Nutch, Committer and PMC member of Apache Clerezza, Committer of Apache ManifoldCF, Committer of Apache Stanbol and mail list moderator of Apache Solr. I'm also a member of W3C (World Wide Web Consortium). I have a work experience +10 years including companies as like Alcatel-Lucent/Nokia and has an academical background. Currently, I have a company named as LAGOM which works on Big Data and Machine Learning and contributes to open source projects. I am a blogger and public speaker about Open Source Development. I would like to share my experiences and be on the (P)PMC/initial committer list too. Kind Regards, Furkan KAMACI On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 6:04 PM Lars Francke wrote: > Justin, > > that's great to hear. And yes please. I'll add you to the Wiki. > > Cheers, > Lars > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 12:35 AM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I’ll comment on the other parts of the proposal once I’ve thought about > it > > a bit, but I’m also have a decent amount of training and course creation > > experience and would like to be on the (P)PMC / initial committer list if > > you'll have me. Assuming you go down the IPMC I’d also happy to be a > > mentor. I also have some material I can donate around the Apache Way and > > the Incubator. > > > > JFYI I’m currently teaching at a university (on computational design) and > > teaching/assessing at an online collage 2 1/2 days a week on > programming. I > > finished a qualification in teaching last year and starting another one > in > > a month time. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal
Justin, that's great to hear. And yes please. I'll add you to the Wiki. Cheers, Lars On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 12:35 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > I’ll comment on the other parts of the proposal once I’ve thought about it > a bit, but I’m also have a decent amount of training and course creation > experience and would like to be on the (P)PMC / initial committer list if > you'll have me. Assuming you go down the IPMC I’d also happy to be a > mentor. I also have some material I can donate around the Apache Way and > the Incubator. > > JFYI I’m currently teaching at a university (on computational design) and > teaching/assessing at an online collage 2 1/2 days a week on programming. I > finished a qualification in teaching last year and starting another one in > a month time. > > Thanks, > Justin > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
[VOTE] Release Apache SkyWalking (incubating) version 6.0.0-GA
Hi All, This is a call for vote to release Apache SkyWalking (Incubating) version 6.0.0-GA. The Apache SkyWalking community has tested, voted and approved the proposed release of Apache SkyWalking (Incubating) 6.0.0-GA We now kindly request the Incubator PMC members review and vote on this incubator release. SkyWalking: APM (application performance monitor) tool for distributed systems, especially designed for microservices, cloud native and container-based (Docker, Kubernetes, Mesos) architectures. Underlying technology is a distributed tracing system. Vote Thread: * https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/5ee4634d3cc72449082f527952ab5b135cb0d171f2eb3bfa2caf664f@%3Cdev.skywalking.apache.org%3E Release notes: * https://github.com/apache/incubator-skywalking/blob/master/CHANGES.md#600-ga Release Candidate: * https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/skywalking/6.0.0-GA/ * sha512 checksums - 6e07c174a0473af245c05869e485a4ddc1f4b7b1ba1d55c65b81d5ed37041f632985f6c5d3e13773fc5940917b71940131580b4f9fbd1853521e906c7b60f11d apache-skywalking-apm-incubating-6.0.0-GA-src.tgz - a19a24b790f41b1d7f93547104fbfc70a1dc208d855026b0c4696d1991518a952d031b62a76bfa923394042757dc92aa87e6cac6502d015f30258e9959e393bf apache-skywalking-apm-incubating-6.0.0-GA.tar.gz - 4f0bff2bf2edb207f9b209abdc8c5433d3f7a0f1f24d515344204dac6a3a4aa2e2ebb9354f3725e75b47e7d3bee52e0a9a454136b410df29034db0d478b60164 apache-skywalking-apm-incubating-6.0.0-GA.zip Maven 2 staging repository: * https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapacheskywalking-1028/org/apache/skywalking Release Tag : * (Git Tag) v6.0.0-GA Release CommitID : * https://github.com/apache/incubator-skywalking/tree/8b638258bb9ae9d512f946b5622fb65948a937e8 * Git submodule * skywalking-ui: https://github.com/apache/incubator-skywalking-ui/tree/c44642f73b9f73a54b0d716cade5094304e1a67b * apm-protocol/apm-network/src/main/proto: https://github.com/apache/incubator-skywalking-data-collect-protocol/tree/b66fa070fd647662f06497e4ed3657eb258cb6e9 * oap-server/server-query-plugin/query-graphql-plugin/src/main/resources/query-protocol https://github.com/apache/incubator-skywalking-query-protocol/tree/c65a23bd6b9bba8d1df30d4de261624952df2b7b Keys to verify the Release Candidate : * https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/skywalking/KEYS corresponding to wush...@apache.org Guide to build the release from source : * https://github.com/apache/incubator-skywalking/blob/v6.0.0-GA/docs/en/guides/How-to-build.md * docs/en/guides/How-to-build.md in source tar. Voting will start now (Jan. 26th 2019) and will remain open for at least 72 hours, Request IPMC to give their vote. [ ] +1 Release this package. [ ] +0 No opinion. [ ] -1 Do not release this package because -- Sheng Wu Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin Twitter, wusheng1108
