Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Hi Craig, Thanks for the suggestion. > Perhaps this could be resolved by having the github logo on the front page refer to https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/contribute/contributor/ where > contributions to the project (developer audience) are discussed. I've already removed the GitHub logo. > The first item on that page under "Develop Flow" is "Fork shardingsphere repo". Maybe "Develop Flow" could be "Developer Flow". Done. -- Liang Zhang (John) Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo Craig Russell 于2020年3月27日周五 上午8:52写道： > Perhaps this could be resolved by having the github logo on the front page > refer to > https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/contribute/contributor/ > where contributions to the project (developer audience) are discussed. > > The first item on that page under "Develop Flow" is "Fork shardingsphere > repo". Maybe "Develop Flow" could be "Developer Flow". > > Craig > > > > On Mar 26, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Tianqi Chen > wrote: > > > > I see, in that case, it would be really nice to add a link to the > original > > email context (about the infra request to remove the github link), > > which would help clarified the situation in the first place. And a good > way > > to exercise the public archival principle. > > > > TQ > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:40 PM Justin Mclean > > wrote: > > > >> HI, > >> > >> I know that other projects have been asked to remove this from the front > >> page and move to a “for developers” page. But perhaps Infra view on this > >> has changed I’m not sure. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Justin > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > Craig L Russell > c...@apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
I removed the GitHub logo from the website, instead of add a GitHub link in the nav bar under the "Community" item. -- Liang Zhang (John) Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo Tianqi Chen 于2020年3月27日周五 上午10:53写道： > I see, thanks for the links. I think the past two posts, along with Craig's > suggestion summarizes the cases clearly > > TQ > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:44 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig > > suggest. I would also suggest change the words to not be a GitHiub > > marketing slogan. > > > > There have been discussion on this in the past, but the main ones I found > > discussion is sadly on private lists, so I’m unable to share that here. > > I’ve asked infra to see if they can clarify. > > > > This it is mentioned in a few board reports and comments, for instance > > search “Fork Me” here: > > https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Wicket.html > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Hi Thanks for everyone’s attention. I see Justin's concern, and we will consider Craig's suggestion to make some modifications. Besides, as Tianqi and Sheng said, our initial and simple idea is to use `fork me on gitHub` to encourage more people to join the community or raise their questions, which seems to cause some troubles, so we will change it ASAP. Best, Trista Juan Pan (Trista) Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) E-mail: panj...@apache.org On 03/27/2020 10:44，Justin Mclean wrote： Hi, It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig suggest. I would also suggest change the words to not be a GitHiub marketing slogan. There have been discussion on this in the past, but the main ones I found discussion is sadly on private lists, so I’m unable to share that here. I’ve asked infra to see if they can clarify. This it is mentioned in a few board reports and comments, for instance search “Fork Me” here: https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Wicket.html Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
I see, thanks for the links. I think the past two posts, along with Craig's suggestion summarizes the cases clearly TQ On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:44 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig > suggest. I would also suggest change the words to not be a GitHiub > marketing slogan. > > There have been discussion on this in the past, but the main ones I found > discussion is sadly on private lists, so I’m unable to share that here. > I’ve asked infra to see if they can clarify. > > This it is mentioned in a few board reports and comments, for instance > search “Fork Me” here: > https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Wicket.html > > Thanks, > Justin > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Hi, It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig suggest. I would also suggest change the words to not be a GitHiub marketing slogan. There have been discussion on this in the past, but the main ones I found discussion is sadly on private lists, so I’m unable to share that here. I’ve asked infra to see if they can clarify. This it is mentioned in a few board reports and comments, for instance search “Fork Me” here: https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Wicket.html Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Like in most cases when the argument can go both ways, I think it would be helpful to summarize all the views and their pros and cons to give a comprehensive picture. The current summary of the points are: Pros: -P0: Encourages developers community participation to the project, exercise community over code. Concerns(in someone might view) - C0: it as un-released distribution, which violates the release policy - C1: Link to github serves as ads to github Intent - The shardingsphere community has good intent starting from P0, but not necessarily shares the same opinion over C0 and C1. Again I think the intent is important, after aour goal is welcome and support these projects and help them grow the community in apache way. While different people or community might have choose to do it different like being suggested, I personally might even agree with you that the link should not be in the frontpage In this case, if there is no strict ruling, I think it would be helpful to let the project community choose the verdict, while acknowledging that there might be different opinions in different communities. Of course the solution Crag suggested seems to work as well :) TQ On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 6:25 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > By adding that you have placed a large prominent ad to commercial entity > on your home page. You are also using a marketing slogan from GitHub. Ask > yourself would you do that with any other commercial entity on your front > page? > > Thanks, > Justin > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Hi, By adding that you have placed a large prominent ad to commercial entity on your home page. You are also using a marketing slogan from GitHub. Ask yourself would you do that with any other commercial entity on your front page? Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Perhaps this could be resolved by having the github logo on the front page refer to https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/contribute/contributor/ where contributions to the project (developer audience) are discussed. The first item on that page under "Develop Flow" is "Fork shardingsphere repo". Maybe "Develop Flow" could be "Developer Flow". Craig > On Mar 26, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Tianqi Chen wrote: > > I see, in that case, it would be really nice to add a link to the original > email context (about the infra request to remove the github link), > which would help clarified the situation in the first place. And a good way > to exercise the public archival principle. > > TQ > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:40 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: > >> HI, >> >> I know that other projects have been asked to remove this from the front >> page and move to a “for developers” page. But perhaps Infra view on this >> has changed I’m not sure. >> >> Thanks, >> Justin >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> Craig L Russell c...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
I see, in that case, it would be really nice to add a link to the original email context (about the infra request to remove the github link), which would help clarified the situation in the first place. And a good way to exercise the public archival principle. TQ On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:40 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > HI, > > I know that other projects have been asked to remove this from the front > page and move to a “for developers” page. But perhaps Infra view on this > has changed I’m not sure. > > Thanks, > Justin > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
HI, I know that other projects have been asked to remove this from the front page and move to a “for developers” page. But perhaps Infra view on this has changed I’m not sure. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Also I want to say that the intent is important when discussing many of these cases. In this case hopefully most of us we all agree, the original intention of the project community is to encourage broader participation of the community, rather than distributing un-released distribution. TQ On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:26 PM Tianqi Chen wrote: > It really depends on how do you interpret the github link as a un-released > distribution. A tarball of un-released source code is of course a > un-released distribution. It seems to be a bit broad to classify a github > link as a un-released distribution :) > > In most cases, github is one of the important places where community > developments(and possible issue answering) happen, and it seems to be OK > that the project community can choose to welcome their more developers to > work together, as per Apache way. > > Would be interesting ask INFRA about their position on this issue. > > TQ > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:11 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I suggest you talk to Infra about this as this is their policy [1]. See >> "must not be advertised to anyone outside of the project development >> community”, having that on the front page does that IMO. >> >> Thanks, >> Justin >> >> 1. https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#unreleased >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
It really depends on how do you interpret the github link as a un-released distribution. A tarball of un-released source code is of course a un-released distribution. It seems to be a bit broad to classify a github link as a un-released distribution :) In most cases, github is one of the important places where community developments(and possible issue answering) happen, and it seems to be OK that the project community can choose to welcome their more developers to work together, as per Apache way. Would be interesting ask INFRA about their position on this issue. TQ On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:11 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > I suggest you talk to Infra about this as this is their policy [1]. See > "must not be advertised to anyone outside of the project development > community”, having that on the front page does that IMO. > > Thanks, > Justin > > 1. https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#unreleased > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Hi, I suggest you talk to Infra about this as this is their policy [1]. See "must not be advertised to anyone outside of the project development community”, having that on the front page does that IMO. Thanks, Justin 1. https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#unreleased - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
I can see arguments goes both ways:) Apache is about community over code, github is certainly a place where the (an important part of)community goes to, highlighting the link to that seems to be OK if the project decide to do so. TQ On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:34 PM Sheng Wu wrote: > Hi, Justin > > I think you misunderstand my point. > > In the GitHub project is just saying the project uses GitHub. Just consider > it as a widely used platform. > The fork me thing, is just encouraging people to take part in code > development. Nothing more. > I don't think people would think this is a way to get official release. > > Of course, my personal perspective, only. > > Justin Mclean 于2020年3月27日 周五上午6:31写道： > > > Hi, > > > > > I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could > > keep it. > > > > > > You are not a GItHub prohject you are an ASF project. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > -- > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > Apache SkyWalking > Apache Incubator > Apache ShardingSphere, ECharts, DolphinScheduler podlings > Zipkin > Twitter, wusheng1108 >
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Hi, Justin I think you misunderstand my point. In the GitHub project is just saying the project uses GitHub. Just consider it as a widely used platform. The fork me thing, is just encouraging people to take part in code development. Nothing more. I don't think people would think this is a way to get official release. Of course, my personal perspective, only. Justin Mclean 于2020年3月27日 周五上午6:31写道： > Hi, > > > I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could > keep it. > > > You are not a GItHub prohject you are an ASF project. > > Thanks, > Justin > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Sheng Wu 吴晟 Apache SkyWalking Apache Incubator Apache ShardingSphere, ECharts, DolphinScheduler podlings Zipkin Twitter, wusheng1108
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Hi, > I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could keep > it. You are not a GItHub prohject you are an ASF project. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Hi Justin, Thank you for reminding, I have updated website again. Please check again[1]. The changes are inline. > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps not have it on the front page? Yes, you are right. At first sight of users can see “fork me on GitHub” only, the download link is in the middle of page. So I just recover the download link back to nav bar. Perhaps duplicate for two download links, but it can let user find the download links easier. > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See [1] for logos. I have replaced the old style apache logo to a new one. [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/ -- Liang Zhang (John) Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo Sheng Wu 于2020年3月26日周四 下午9:30写道： > Juan Pan 于2020年3月26日周四 下午9:24写道： > > > Hi Justin, > > > > > > Thanks for your rapid feedback. > > > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. > > See [1] for logos. > > We will update the logo ASAP. > > > > > > > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards > > unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps > > not have it on the front page? > > Yes, since `Release code` is more important for the user, > > `Download` button is put in the right center of the page to direct users > > to download page. > > “fork me on GitHub” link is designed to welcome more people(Especially > > developers) to join in ShardingSphere community. > > > > I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could keep > it. > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Trista > > > > > > Juan Pan (Trista) > > > > Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) > > E-mail: panj...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > On 03/26/2020 21:01，Justin Mclean wrote： > > Hi, > > > > Nicely done and a huge improvement. > > > > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards > > unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps > > not have it on the front page? > > > > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. > See > > [1] for logos. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Juan Pan 于2020年3月26日周四 下午9:24写道： > Hi Justin, > > > Thanks for your rapid feedback. > > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. > See [1] for logos. > We will update the logo ASAP. > > > > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards > unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps > not have it on the front page? > Yes, since `Release code` is more important for the user, > `Download` button is put in the right center of the page to direct users > to download page. > “fork me on GitHub” link is designed to welcome more people(Especially > developers) to join in ShardingSphere community. > I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could keep it. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > Thanks, > Trista > > > Juan Pan (Trista) > > Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) > E-mail: panj...@apache.org > > > > > On 03/26/2020 21:01，Justin Mclean wrote： > Hi, > > Nicely done and a huge improvement. > > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards > unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps > not have it on the front page? > > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See > [1] for logos. > > Thanks, > Justin > > 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Hi Justin, Thanks for your rapid feedback. > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See > [1] for logos. We will update the logo ASAP. > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards > unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps not > have it on the front page? Yes, since `Release code` is more important for the user, `Download` button is put in the right center of the page to direct users to download page. “fork me on GitHub” link is designed to welcome more people(Especially developers) to join in ShardingSphere community. Thanks, Trista Juan Pan (Trista) Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) E-mail: panj...@apache.org On 03/26/2020 21:01，Justin Mclean wrote： Hi, Nicely done and a huge improvement. One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps not have it on the front page? The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See [1] for logos. Thanks, Justin 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Hi, Nicely done and a huge improvement. One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps not have it on the front page? The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See [1] for logos. Thanks, Justin 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP
Hi everyone, Taking Justin’s advices, we introduced a major redesign for our website[1] to make it prominent in `Apache` feature. Welcome your visit and comments. :) [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org Cheers, Trista Juan Pan (Trista) Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) E-mail: panj...@apache.org On 03/25/2020 14:43，Juan Pan wrote： Hi Justin, Thanks for your feedback. I know your concern, and also we’d like to make our website prominent in `Apache` feature. So we visited many of the sites of Apache projects and list the todo items to promote in ISSUE[1]. Please wait for this website updating. If any progress, I will update here. Thanks. [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/4928 Cheers, Trista Juan Pan (Trista) Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) E-mail: panj...@apache.org On 03/25/2020 12:49，Justin Mclean wrote： Hi, Could you indicate the concerns? We can fix them ASAP. I’ve already shared them on your dev list a while back. These are not really quick fix or technical things: First a minor one and I do see some improvement, and this is subjective, but you web site doesn’t immediately make it’s obvious this is an ASF project. Yes Apache is mentioned and there’s the feather, but it’s not a prominate as some sites. The links to the foundation are hidden at the bottom of the page. Second, a number of small issues were pointed out after the the project decided to graduate, they where corrected, but that seems to imply that perhaps you were not quite as ready as you thought. But your mentors think it time to graduate and that good enough for me. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache Rainbow
Hi, One other thing you may need to consider is your name. Changing a projects name is expensive in term of infra time and being such a generic name there may be issues with it. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache Rainbow
Hi all, At this stage the community around rainbow is indeed rather small. However, I believe the incubator platform is where we can and should build a substantial community. Natural Intelligence is committed to invest in this project as it is used as the foundation of our production pipelines. Moreover we have been discussing the viability of this project with several Israeli companies which all showed a great interest in contributing and joining the community. We think using the incubator platform will expedite the process of forming a community as clearly this project is needed and has a great value to many companies. Regards, Lior On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:30 PM Paul King wrote: > I'm probably leaning towards accepting. Given that the closest fit to me > seems the DLAB project, I would be keen to see if anyone in that project > has an interest in keeping abreast of developments in Rainbow. DLAB is > itself also incubating so we wouldn't want to burden them with too many > more official responsibilities, so just informal interest would be all I > would hope we could encourage. > > Cheers, Paul. > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:31 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Really up to the project on what process would fit them best. If it ends > > up an Incubator project that may mean more work for the mentors. I think > > as long as they are committed to the project we could accept it, but I’d > > like to hear what other IPMC members think. > > > > Thanks, > > justin > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
