Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-06-01 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe




Things like the README:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/webservices/axis2/trunk/c/axiom/README

Axiom/C was moved to a separate folder only recently, however it is 
still part of Axis2/C

Here is a tutorial: http://ws.apache.org/axis2/c/docs/om_tutorial.html
Please try the tutorial with 0.91 release of Axis2/C. Currently the API 
is undergoing major changes and hence the svn head would not work 
according to the tutorial.

Tutorial will be updated before the next release.

Thanks,
Samisa...


Appear to be empty :)

Thanks,

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-31 Thread Henri Yandell

On 5/25/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nick Lothian wrote:

 There's also Jakarta FeedParser, which has an Atom parser.

 Also the ROME project (http://rome.dev.java.net/) has been debating
 requesting incubation at Apache for quite a long time. We've got an
 Atom parser, too.

IIRC, FeedParser is languishing for need of a community.


It really ought to just be dead. Kevin (original coder) decided to
fork it externally so he wouldn't be tied up by our focus on not
having single coder codebases (if I understand things correctly).
There wasn't any interest in FeedParser in Commons, so he was getting
increasingly held back in the sandbox and unable to get a release etc.

Hen

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-31 Thread Torsten Curdt

 IIRC, FeedParser is languishing for need of a community.

It really ought to just be dead. Kevin (original coder) decided to
fork it externally so he wouldn't be tied up by our focus on not
having single coder codebases (if I understand things correctly).
There wasn't any interest in FeedParser in Commons, so he was getting
increasingly held back in the sandbox and unable to get a release etc.


Don't really understand why ...just had a brief look lately - looked quite cool.
I think it's kind of sad this happened.

Do you know where the fork is?

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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-25 Thread robert burrell donkin

On 5/25/06, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
 no particular order)

 Iaea  (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
 Anu   (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for atom)
 Atomico   (Spanish/Italian for atomic)
 Dalton(Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
 Abdera(birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)


Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.




+1 abdera

- robert


Abdera (was: Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-25 Thread James M Snell
Ok, given all the +1's in favor of the name Abdera, I've updated the
proposal to use the new name.  The wiki has been updated accordingly:

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AbderaProposal

- James

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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-25 Thread Torsten Curdt

Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
no particular order)

Iaea  (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
Anu   (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for atom)
Atomico   (Spanish/Italian for atomic)
Dalton(Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
Abdera(birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)


Did I miss something or what was wrong with Atomate? I really liked that one.

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RE: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-25 Thread Nick Lothian
 
 On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Does any one have any problems with simply calling this project 
  Atom... as in, The Apache Atom Implementation ?
 
 
 Well, unless I'm mistaken, it would actually be (at least) 
 the second Atom implementation at the ASF, since Roller has 
 one already. Simply calling it Atom implies it has some 
 special status, especially in the phrase you use above (i.e. 
 The Apache Atom Implementation). So I would not be in 
 favour of that name.
 
 --

There's also Jakarta FeedParser, which has an Atom parser.

Also the ROME project (http://rome.dev.java.net/) has been debating
requesting incubation at Apache for quite a long time. We've got an Atom
parser, too.



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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-25 Thread Dave Johnson

What a great idea! The code looks very nice and I'd love to help.

- Dave



James M Snell wrote:

Hello,

The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
including mentors.

The proposal is also located at
  http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal

The initial source for the project is available at:
  http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz

Thank you,

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RE: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
 what was wrong with Atomate? I really liked that one.

So did I, actually.  Not that I have a horse in this race.

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RE: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Nick Lothian wrote:

 There's also Jakarta FeedParser, which has an Atom parser.

 Also the ROME project (http://rome.dev.java.net/) has been debating
 requesting incubation at Apache for quite a long time. We've got an
 Atom parser, too.

IIRC, FeedParser is languishing for need of a community.  Roller also has an
Atom parser, AIUI.  Is there any desire to combine forces in this domain?  I
saw Dave Johnson expressing interest in this proposal, too.

--- Noel


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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-25 Thread James M Snell
Trademarked. I liked it too.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=docstate=b0fu7h.2.1

Noel J. Bergman wrote:
 what was wrong with Atomate? I really liked that one.
 
 So did I, actually.  Not that I have a horse in this race.
 
   --- Noel
 
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-25 Thread Gav...

quote who=Dave Johnson
 What a great idea! The code looks very nice and I'd love to help.

 - Dave

Yes , I agree and hope to join in and dev at some point.




 James M Snell wrote:
 Hello,

 The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
 feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
 including mentors.

 The proposal is also located at
   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal

I see this is now changed,

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AbderaProposal


A couple of other things on thwe Wiki I guess will need changing -

3. Identify the ASF resources to be created
3.1 mailing list(s)
atom-ppmc (moderated subscriptions)

atom-dev

atom-commits

atom-user

3.2 Subversion repository
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/atom

3.3 Bugzilla
Atom

With all the talk of being too 'Atom' specific in naming, using it in
mailing lists and SVN will be a bit confusing.

 The initial source for the project is available at:
   http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz

 Thank you,

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-25 Thread James M Snell
Yes, personally I would love to collaborate with the ROME folks on this.
 Their project has a much broader scope in that it supports Atom plus
all the various flavors of RSS, but there are a number of ways in which
the two projects could feed off of and into each other.

- James

Noel J. Bergman wrote:
 Nick Lothian wrote:
 
 There's also Jakarta FeedParser, which has an Atom parser.
 
 Also the ROME project (http://rome.dev.java.net/) has been debating
 requesting incubation at Apache for quite a long time. We've got an
 Atom parser, too.
 
 IIRC, FeedParser is languishing for need of a community.  Roller also has an
 Atom parser, AIUI.  Is there any desire to combine forces in this domain?  I
 saw Dave Johnson expressing interest in this proposal, too.
 
   --- Noel
 
 
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RE: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-25 Thread Nick Lothian
 
 Nick Lothian wrote:
 
  There's also Jakarta FeedParser, which has an Atom parser.
 
  Also the ROME project (http://rome.dev.java.net/) has been debating 
  requesting incubation at Apache for quite a long time. We've got an 
  Atom parser, too.
 
 IIRC, FeedParser is languishing for need of a community.  
 Roller also has an Atom parser, AIUI.  Is there any desire to 
 combine forces in this domain?  I saw Dave Johnson expressing 
 interest in this proposal, too.
 

(I'm CC-ing ROME dev on this)

I believe that Roller uses ROME for its feed parser (although I think
Dave has written a client for Atom Publishing Protocol separatly). In
any case, he certianly is a ROME committer (he wrote ROME's Atom 1.0
support).

I am certain that the ROME developers would react positivly to any
proposal to combine forces. It would be unfortunate to end up with
Yet-Another-Java-Syndication API just because no one thought to try and
combine them.

OTOH, ROME's mission is slightly different to this proposal. ROME is
designed to be the best possible API for syndication format. That means
support for all the RSS standards and - increasingly - a degree of
leinency in parsing. 

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-24 Thread James M Snell
Does any one have any problems with simply calling this project
Atom... as in, The Apache Atom Implementation ?

- James

Garrett Rooney wrote:
 On 5/22/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
 feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
 including mentors.

 The proposal is also located at
   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal

 The initial source for the project is available at:
   http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
 
 I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
 eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
 
 One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
 into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
 into the current working directory.
 
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-24 Thread Yoav Shapira

Hola,
Wouldn't that be confusing?  I can see users asking is Atom the spec
or the implementation or both?  I'd prefer a name that's not the same
as the spec name.

Yoav

On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Does any one have any problems with simply calling this project
Atom... as in, The Apache Atom Implementation ?

- James

Garrett Rooney wrote:
 On 5/22/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
 feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
 including mentors.

 The proposal is also located at
   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal

 The initial source for the project is available at:
   http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz

 I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
 eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.

 One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
 into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
 into the current working directory.

 -garrett

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-24 Thread Martin Cooper

On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Does any one have any problems with simply calling this project
Atom... as in, The Apache Atom Implementation ?



Well, unless I'm mistaken, it would actually be (at least) the second Atom
implementation at the ASF, since Roller has one already. Simply calling it
Atom implies it has some special status, especially in the phrase you use
above (i.e. The Apache Atom Implementation). So I would not be in favour
of that name.

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- James


Garrett Rooney wrote:
 On 5/22/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
 feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
 including mentors.

 The proposal is also located at
   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal

 The initial source for the project is available at:
   http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz

 I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
 eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.

 One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
 into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
 into the current working directory.

 -garrett

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-24 Thread Yoav Shapira

Hi,

On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ok, it was worth a shot.  I've been stewing over possible name
selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
possibilities.


Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
the project can move along?  If the committers on the project *really*
dislike it later, they may change it.

Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
a community-chosen name?  (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)

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Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-24 Thread James M Snell
Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
no particular order)

Iaea  (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
Anu   (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for atom)
Atomico   (Spanish/Italian for atomic)
Dalton(Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
Abdera(birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)

I think any of these would work.

- James

Yoav Shapira wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, it was worth a shot.  I've been stewing over possible name
 selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
 possibilities.
 
 Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
 the project can move along?  If the committers on the project *really*
 dislike it later, they may change it.
 
 Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
 a community-chosen name?  (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
 see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
 
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-24 Thread Martin Cooper

On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
no particular order)

Iaea  (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
Anu   (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for atom)
Atomico   (Spanish/Italian for atomic)
Dalton(Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
Abdera(birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)



Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.

(Anu is also a female first name, and - JAMES notwithstanding - I'm not that
fond of picking people's names for project names.)

--
Martin.


I think any of these would work.


- James

Yoav Shapira wrote:
 Hi,

 On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, it was worth a shot.  I've been stewing over possible name
 selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
 possibilities.

 Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
 the project can move along?  If the committers on the project *really*
 dislike it later, they may change it.

 Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
 a community-chosen name?  (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
 see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)

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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-24 Thread Davanum Srinivas

+1 to abdera.

On 5/24/06, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
 no particular order)

 Iaea  (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
 Anu   (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for atom)
 Atomico   (Spanish/Italian for atomic)
 Dalton(Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
 Abdera(birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)


Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.

(Anu is also a female first name, and - JAMES notwithstanding - I'm not that
fond of picking people's names for project names.)

--
Martin.


I think any of these would work.

 - James

 Yoav Shapira wrote:
  Hi,
 
  On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ok, it was worth a shot.  I've been stewing over possible name
  selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
  possibilities.
 
  Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
  10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
  the project can move along?  If the committers on the project *really*
  dislike it later, they may change it.
 
  Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
  a community-chosen name?  (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
  see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
 
  Yoav
 
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-24 Thread Yoav Shapira

+1 to Abdera.

Atomic is my second choice of this list.

Iaea is very hard to pronounce.

Yoav

On 5/24/06, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

+1 to abdera.

On 5/24/06, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
  no particular order)
 
  Iaea  (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
  Anu   (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for atom)
  Atomico   (Spanish/Italian for atomic)
  Dalton(Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
  Abdera(birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)


 Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.

 (Anu is also a female first name, and - JAMES notwithstanding - I'm not that
 fond of picking people's names for project names.)

 --
 Martin.


 I think any of these would work.
 
  - James
 
  Yoav Shapira wrote:
   Hi,
  
   On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Ok, it was worth a shot.  I've been stewing over possible name
   selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
   possibilities.
  
   Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
   10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
   the project can move along?  If the committers on the project *really*
   dislike it later, they may change it.
  
   Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
   a community-chosen name?  (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
   see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
  
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-24 Thread Erik Abele

On 25.05.2006, at 01:47, James M Snell wrote:

Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the  
safest (in

no particular order)

Iaea  (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog  
group)

Anu   (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for atom)
Atomico   (Spanish/Italian for atomic)
Dalton(Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
Abdera(birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)

I think any of these would work.


How about Nucleus or Nucleo? Or in German: Atomkern ;-)

Cheers,
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-24 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe

Martin Cooper wrote:


On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
no particular order)

Iaea  (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
Anu   (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for atom)
Atomico   (Spanish/Italian for atomic)
Dalton(Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
Abdera(birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)




+1 to Abdera.
Atomico is my second preferred.

Samisa...



Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.

(Anu is also a female first name, and - JAMES notwithstanding - I'm 
not that

fond of picking people's names for project names.)

--
Martin.


I think any of these would work.



- James

Yoav Shapira wrote:
 Hi,

 On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, it was worth a shot.  I've been stewing over possible name
 selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any 
strong

 possibilities.

 Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
 the project can move along?  If the committers on the project *really*
 dislike it later, they may change it.

 Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
 a community-chosen name?  (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
 see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)

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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-24 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 16:52 -0700, Martin Cooper wrote:
 Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.

+1.

Sanjiva.


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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-24 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
Hi James,

(Greetings; hope u r doing well :))

How far does this project intend to go in implemention Atom? Is it a
client side only, a tool to support Atom generation from some other app,
APP, etc. etc.?

(Sorry if this is an obvious answer question; I'm not an Atom expert at
all.)

Thanks,

Sanjiva.

On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 16:47 -0700, James M Snell wrote:
 Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
 no particular order)
 
 Iaea  (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
 Anu   (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for atom)
 Atomico   (Spanish/Italian for atomic)
 Dalton(Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
 Abdera(birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)
 
 I think any of these would work.
 
 - James
 
 Yoav Shapira wrote:
  Hi,
  
  On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ok, it was worth a shot.  I've been stewing over possible name
  selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
  possibilities.
  
  Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
  10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
  the project can move along?  If the committers on the project *really*
  dislike it later, they may change it.
  
  Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
  a community-chosen name?  (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
  see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
  
  Yoav
  
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])

2006-05-24 Thread James M Snell
The project will consist of three distinct components

a. An Atom parser/serializer.  This is the Axiom-based code that is
available in the tar referenced by the proposal

b. An Atom Publishing Protocol Client... likely taking the form of a set
of utility/helper objects based on the Commons HttpClient

c. An Atom Publishing Protocol Server... likely taking the form of a set
of interfaces and utility objects intended to allow any application to
provide an atom interface.

Ultimately, I would also like to see an Atom store developed.  The
Atom store is a data persistent layer built around the Atom data model
and publishing protocol.

- James

Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
 Hi James,
 
 (Greetings; hope u r doing well :))
 
 How far does this project intend to go in implemention Atom? Is it a
 client side only, a tool to support Atom generation from some other app,
 APP, etc. etc.?
 
 (Sorry if this is an obvious answer question; I'm not an Atom expert at
 all.)
 
 Thanks,
 
 Sanjiva.
 
 On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 16:47 -0700, James M Snell wrote:
 Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
 no particular order)

 Iaea  (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
 Anu   (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for atom)
 Atomico   (Spanish/Italian for atomic)
 Dalton(Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
 Abdera(birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)

 I think any of these would work.

 - James

 Yoav Shapira wrote:
 Hi,

 On 5/24/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, it was worth a shot.  I've been stewing over possible name
 selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
 possibilities.
 Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
 the project can move along?  If the committers on the project *really*
 dislike it later, they may change it.

 Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
 a community-chosen name?  (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
 see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Paul Fremantle

On 5/22/06, Paul Querna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


speculationPossibly even donate
code for a C based parser./speculation



Sounds good. There is also a C version of the Apache Axiom xml model that
the proposed ARI codebase has been written with which should make it easier.
The Axiom C code hasn't been split off into a separate project, which was
done for Axiom/Java, but it is modular within the codebase.

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread David N. Welton
James M Snell wrote:
 Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos

 Garrett Rooney wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism

There are a bunch of names here, and on the related pages (neutron,
fermion,  etc...):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread robert burrell donkin

On 5/23/06, David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


James M Snell wrote:
 Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos

 Garrett Rooney wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism

There are a bunch of names here, and on the related pages (neutron,
fermion,  etc...):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton



some cool options there but many seem already taken

leading on to scientists closely associated with atoms:

Dalton
Rutherford

(quick google seems to indicate that these are less widely used as names for
software that many physics terms)

- robert


Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread robert burrell donkin

On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi,



hi eran

I'm Eran Chinthaka, one of the contributors from Axiom and Axis2

projects. I also would like to mentor this project as I have worked a
lot with Axiom and involved in integrating Atom and RSS feed generation
in to Axis2.



i was hoping that some axis folks would jump in :)

But I read the FAQ [1] and it states you have to be a member of ASF to

become a mentor. So I wonder whether I can help as a mentor as I'm just
a PMC member.



AIUI not as a mentor. it's a particular role involving oversight and the
current concensus amongst the membership is that this is something that
should be restricted to members only.

but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be good to have you involved. you
don't need to be a formal mentor to offer guidance on list. if you're going
to be able to find some time to help out with the coding then maybe it'd be
a good idea if your name were added to the proposal as a developer.

- robert


Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Ian Holsman

what about OPPENHEIMER ?...


On 23/05/2006, at 10:16 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:


On 5/23/06, David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


James M Snell wrote:
 Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos

 Garrett Rooney wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism

There are a bunch of names here, and on the related pages (neutron,
fermion,  etc...):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton



some cool options there but many seem already taken

leading on to scientists closely associated with atoms:

Dalton
Rutherford

(quick google seems to indicate that these are less widely used as  
names for

software that many physics terms)

- robert



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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Eran Chinthaka
Please see my comments in-line.

robert burrell donkin wrote:
 On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

Hi,

 
 
 AIUI not as a mentor. it's a particular role involving oversight and the
 current concensus amongst the membership is that this is something that
 should be restricted to members only.

Ok...

 
 but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be good to have you involved. you
 don't need to be a formal mentor to offer guidance on list. if you're going
 to be able to find some time to help out with the coding then maybe it'd be
 a good idea if your name were added to the proposal as a developer.

I leave the discretion, of me adding as a developer, with the original
proposers. But I'm ready to help anytime specially with Axiom. Perhaps I
might even be able to crunch some code.

Will give more feedback after downloading the original code.

-- Chinthaka



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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Yoav Shapira

Hola,
I'll jump in with a couple of suggestions, although my record on this
is dismal (I don't think any of my name suggestions have ever been
accepted in the incubator ;)):


From the nuclear domain:

- Apache Reactor (borrowing on the nuclear connotation of Atom)
- Apache Furnace (similar idea)
- Apache Fission (also physics-driven, though implies splitting, i.e.
not a unified community, so maybe not)
- Apache Fusion (might be great as it implies bringing stuff together)

A couple of international twists:
- Apache Atomico (italian for atomic)
- Apache Atomique (frensh for atomic)

And the kicker: Apache Schmelzverfahren (german word for fusion) !!

Yoav


On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Please see my comments in-line.

robert burrell donkin wrote:
 On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

Hi,



 AIUI not as a mentor. it's a particular role involving oversight and the
 current concensus amongst the membership is that this is something that
 should be restricted to members only.

Ok...


 but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be good to have you involved. you
 don't need to be a formal mentor to offer guidance on list. if you're going
 to be able to find some time to help out with the coding then maybe it'd be
 a good idea if your name were added to the proposal as a developer.

I leave the discretion, of me adding as a developer, with the original
proposers. But I'm ready to help anytime specially with Axiom. Perhaps I
might even be able to crunch some code.

Will give more feedback after downloading the original code.

-- Chinthaka







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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Paul Querna

Paul Fremantle wrote:

On 5/22/06, Paul Querna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


speculationPossibly even donate
code for a C based parser./speculation



Sounds good. There is also a C version of the Apache Axiom xml model that
the proposed ARI codebase has been written with which should make it 
easier.

The Axiom C code hasn't been split off into a separate project, which was
done for Axiom/Java, but it is modular within the codebase.



I am a little scared of the Axiom C code right now.. Maybe its really 
not that scary to someone who knows it :)


I am currently using the xmlTextReaderRead of libxml2, and it appears 
that Axiom is also using that underneath.


Do you know of an Axiom C tutorial, introduction, or documentation?

Things like the README:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/webservices/axis2/trunk/c/axiom/README

Appear to be empty :)

Thanks,

Paul


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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Eran Chinthaka
Paul Querna wrote:
 Paul Fremantle wrote:
 
 
 I am a little scared of the Axiom C code right now.. Maybe its really
 not that scary to someone who knows it :)

Don't be scared its apache code :). Axis2/C team recently released
Axis2/C 0.9 and 0.91 based on Axiom/C implementation.

 
 I am currently using the xmlTextReaderRead of libxml2, and it appears
 that Axiom is also using that underneath.
 
 Do you know of an Axiom C tutorial, introduction, or documentation?

See here : http://ws.apache.org/axis2/c/docs/om_tutorial.html.

- Chinthaka



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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Martin Cooper

On 5/23/06, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hola,
I'll jump in with a couple of suggestions, although my record on this
is dismal (I don't think any of my name suggestions have ever been
accepted in the incubator ;)):

From the nuclear domain:
- Apache Reactor (borrowing on the nuclear connotation of Atom)
- Apache Furnace (similar idea)
- Apache Fission (also physics-driven, though implies splitting, i.e.
not a unified community, so maybe not)
- Apache Fusion (might be great as it implies bringing stuff together)

A couple of international twists:
- Apache Atomico (italian for atomic)
- Apache Atomique (frensh for atomic)

And the kicker: Apache Schmelzverfahren (german word for fusion) !!



Yoav, I just can't understand why people haven't jumped on your suggestions
before! ;-)

There's also Atomate, a play on automate.

--
Martin Cooper


Yoav



On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please see my comments in-line.

 robert burrell donkin wrote:
  On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi,

 Hi,

 
 
  AIUI not as a mentor. it's a particular role involving oversight and
the
  current concensus amongst the membership is that this is something
that
  should be restricted to members only.

 Ok...

 
  but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be good to have you involved.
you
  don't need to be a formal mentor to offer guidance on list. if you're
going
  to be able to find some time to help out with the coding then maybe
it'd be
  a good idea if your name were added to the proposal as a developer.

 I leave the discretion, of me adding as a developer, with the original
 proposers. But I'm ready to help anytime specially with Axiom. Perhaps I
 might even be able to crunch some code.

 Will give more feedback after downloading the original code.

 -- Chinthaka






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RE: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Glen Daniels

Jumping in with a quick $0.02:

 There's also Atomate, a play on automate.
 
 --
 Martin Cooper

I really like that, as it's both a play on automate and also
atom-mate, i.e. a useful companion to Atom.

+1!

--Glen

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread James M Snell
+1. it would be VERY helpful to have an Axiom expert advising on the
project, even if it's not in a formal mentor role.

- James

robert burrell donkin wrote:
 On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 
 hi eran
 
 I'm Eran Chinthaka, one of the contributors from Axiom and Axis2
 projects. I also would like to mentor this project as I have worked a
 lot with Axiom and involved in integrating Atom and RSS feed generation
 in to Axis2.
 
 
 i was hoping that some axis folks would jump in :)
 
 But I read the FAQ [1] and it states you have to be a member of ASF to
 become a mentor. So I wonder whether I can help as a mentor as I'm just
 a PMC member.
 
 
 AIUI not as a mentor. it's a particular role involving oversight and the
 current concensus amongst the membership is that this is something that
 should be restricted to members only.
 
 but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be good to have you involved. you
 don't need to be a formal mentor to offer guidance on list. if you're going
 to be able to find some time to help out with the coding then maybe it'd be
 a good idea if your name were added to the proposal as a developer.
 
 - robert
 

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread James M Snell
Thanks for all the name suggestions given thus far.  Keep 'em coming.

The two names I have in mind (in order of preference) are:

1. Wave
2. Atomos

- James


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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Davanum Srinivas

Anu (Sanskrit word for Atom - [1])

[1] http://www.google.com/search?q=atom+anu+sanskrit

On 5/23/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks for all the name suggestions given thus far.  Keep 'em coming.

The two names I have in mind (in order of preference) are:

1. Wave
2. Atomos

- James


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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 06:19 -0700, Paul Querna wrote:
 
 I am currently using the xmlTextReaderRead of libxml2, and it appears 
 that Axiom is also using that underneath.

It has a pull parser abstraction layer to support multiple pull parsers.
We currently use libxml2 but that's slow because it builds the dom and
then pulls. We have our own native pull parser (guththila) but its not
100% ready yet .. once that's ready that'll become the default parser.
We will retain support for libxml2 as that's the default parser in php
land for example. 

Please join axis-c-dev@ws.apache.org .. in any case we should move
axiom-c out into the ws-commons axiom project soon.

Sanjiva.



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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding

On May 23, 2006, at 5:16 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote:


On 5/23/06, David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


James M Snell wrote:
 Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos

 Garrett Rooney wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism

There are a bunch of names here, and on the related pages (neutron,
fermion,  etc...):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton



some cool options there but many seem already taken

leading on to scientists closely associated with atoms:

Dalton
Rutherford

(quick google seems to indicate that these are less widely used as  
names for

software that many physics terms)


FYI, in California, the names/images of real people who lived within
the past 75 years or so are protected by laws that are more like
copyright than trademarks, and reserved for the exclusive benefit of
the person's estate.  It was originally intended to protect the image
of famous people used in advertising. Similar laws (with varying
length of coverage) are found elsewhere.

As such, the days when you could name a product after a famous person
are long gone unless you can get that person to sign a document that
gives us irrevocable permission.

Roy

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-23 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe

Hi All,
I too am interested in this project, I am from Axis2/C project and was 
involved with implementing Axiom in C for Axis2/C project.
	Hopefully, I too can help from Axiom domain. 
	It is great that this is going to use Axiom, hopefully leading to lots of improvements to Axiom itself.

Thanks,
Samisa...


Hi,



I'm Eran Chinthaka, one of the contributors from Axiom and Axis2
projects. I also would like to mentor this project as I have worked a
lot with Axiom and involved in integrating Atom and RSS feed generation
in to Axis2.



But I read the FAQ [1] and it states you have to be a member of ASF to
become a mentor. So I wonder whether I can help as a mentor as I'm just
a PMC member.



-- Chinthaka



[1] :
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentors



Garrett Rooney wrote:
On 5/22/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello,

The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
including mentors.

The proposal is also located at
  http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal

The initial source for the project is available at:
  http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz


I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.

One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
into the current working directory.

-garrett

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-22 Thread Garrett Rooney

On 5/22/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello,

The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
including mentors.

The proposal is also located at
  http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal

The initial source for the project is available at:
  http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz


I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.

One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
into the current working directory.

-garrett

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-22 Thread James M Snell


Garrett Rooney wrote:
 On 5/22/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
 feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
 including mentors.

 The proposal is also located at
   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal

 The initial source for the project is available at:
   http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
 
 I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
 eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
 

Excellent.

 One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
 into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
 into the current working directory.
 

Doh! sorry about that. Fixed.

- James

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-22 Thread Paul Querna
Garrett Rooney wrote:
 On 5/22/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
 feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
 including mentors.

 The proposal is also located at
   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal

 The initial source for the project is available at:
   http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
 
 I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
 eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.

I am also interested in helping mentor the project, and to work on a C
implementation of its functionality.  speculationPossibly even donate
code for a C based parser./speculation

Paul Querna


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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-22 Thread James M Snell

Paul Querna wrote:
[snip]
 I am also interested in helping mentor the project, and to work on a C
 implementation of its functionality.  speculationPossibly even donate
 code for a C based parser./speculation
 

Excellent. Thank you.

- James


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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-22 Thread Garrett Rooney

On 5/22/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That's fine. We've gone through a number of names internally and pretty
much gave up on trying to come up with something good. Alternative name
suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :-)


How about Democritus?

For those who haven't been crawling around wikipedia looking for names
related to atom, Democritus was the Greek philosopher who came up with
atomism, the theory that all objects in the universe are composed of
small, indestructible elements, atoms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism

-garrett

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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-22 Thread James M Snell
Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos

FTR, the names we've kicked around include Covalence (too close to
Covalent), Valencia (Spanish for Valence), atomos (Latin root for
Atom), and chimie (French for chemistry).  Our lawyers didn't like
Covalence or Valencia so those were shot down during the donation
approval process.  I'd be happy with just about any name so long as it
means we can move forward :-)

- James

Garrett Rooney wrote:
 On 5/22/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That's fine. We've gone through a number of names internally and pretty
 much gave up on trying to come up with something good. Alternative name
 suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :-)
 
 How about Democritus?
 
 For those who haven't been crawling around wikipedia looking for names
 related to atom, Democritus was the Greek philosopher who came up with
 atomism, the theory that all objects in the universe are composed of
 small, indestructible elements, atoms.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
 
 -garrett
 
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-22 Thread Garrett Rooney

On 5/22/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos

FTR, the names we've kicked around include Covalence (too close to
Covalent), Valencia (Spanish for Valence), atomos (Latin root for
Atom), and chimie (French for chemistry).  Our lawyers didn't like
Covalence or Valencia so those were shot down during the donation
approval process.  I'd be happy with just about any name so long as it
means we can move forward :-)


Molecule, or some variant thereof?  They're made out of atoms, after all ;-)

-garrett

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RE: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Don't forget that although this may be about Atoms, there is Wave-Particle
duality, so these things are also waves, which makes for interesting
imagery, since they propogate as a wave front across the web.

--- Noel


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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]

2006-05-22 Thread Eran Chinthaka
Hi,

I'm Eran Chinthaka, one of the contributors from Axiom and Axis2
projects. I also would like to mentor this project as I have worked a
lot with Axiom and involved in integrating Atom and RSS feed generation
in to Axis2.

But I read the FAQ [1] and it states you have to be a member of ASF to
become a mentor. So I wonder whether I can help as a mentor as I'm just
a PMC member.

-- Chinthaka

[1] :
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentors

Garrett Rooney wrote:
 On 5/22/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
 feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
 including mentors.

 The proposal is also located at
   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal

 The initial source for the project is available at:
   http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
 
 I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
 eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
 
 One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
 into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
 into the current working directory.
 
 -garrett
 
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