Re: Jakarta Documentation

[Andrew C. Oliver]

On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 18:38, Ted Husted wrote:
> acoliver wrote:
> > I consider the statement "you just need to know where to look for" to be a
> > symptom of improper information organization.  Such things should be *easy*
> > to find.  Initiation into our community(ies?) has a higher barrier than I
> > prefer, you can never have too much or too well organized documentation.
> > (this is not to say that those who don't even read the web page before
> > emailling committers "gee is POI written in Java"  won't still be
> > challenged...and thats a good thing, but that those who are just simple
> > minded programmers like me looking for a place to code or who want to know
> > "do I have to donate my hello-world app based on" to look.
> 
> Any comments on this?
> 
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/methodology.html
> 

I like it... . now that it compiles ;-)

Think it should be Apache Jakarta/XML Manual not Apache Manual unless
you get the httpd people involved and move it up a site...


Add:  
1. How to create a patch with -u format
2. How to apply a patch (symmetry)

Moderators Guide:

where was this last night!  whoo!
(its not there yet but whoo!)

Licensing

Add about mixing and matching GPL etc..  I know I know but its a old
question.

Documentation:

Prefer a more documentation activist stance then what these bullets lead
me to believe you intend to put...  We really should work to improve
documentation all around (yes, I'm doing my part) -- Furthermore,
documentation should be seen on equal status as code..  As evidence it
is not (in many places) see this page:
http://jakarta.apache.org/avalon/authors/index.html -- not that the
manual should be the springboard for this idea... but it shouldn't
reflect the 


I like having both versions but lean toward the second because the
headings make it easier not to be overwhelmed.  And thanks for linking
to that License FAQ page  Thats exactly what I thought was needed.

I think one thing I'd like to see more prominently is something that
says "no, you really truly can just do a cvs co, change things, patch
them and send those to the list...really truly thats all you have to
do!  No really!" or something to that effect..  Its a hard concept to
grasp (was for me, is for others) at first...

I'd be good to have a standard TOC for each project of basic info.  It
would kinda encourage those projects to fill in any blanks.  

Those are my initial thoughts -- GREAT WORK..  I'll fill in pieces
eventually ...  I'm swamped at the moment  (not that anyone isn't
but I'm a little more then usual at the moment..) 



-Andy




> 
> Note that there are two proposed outlines on the page. 
> 
> + Following the Jakarta Way
> 
> and
> 
> + The Volunteer Guides
> 
> In the latter, I'm trying to organize the material around the various
> roles people play around here, from a user to a committer to a sys
> admin, and have them build on each other. 
> 
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Re: Back to JakartaOne planning...

[Geir Magnusson Jr.]

On 3/5/02 10:40 PM, "Jon Scott Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I suggest that a few people step up to volunteer to make JakartaOne happen
> because it isn't going to happen all by itself. :-) Maybe even setup another
> mailing list to do planning on so that people who are interested in planning
> can join it and discuss things. If people are going to speak, a call for
> papers needs to go out, etc...
> 
> As far as I'm concerned with StudioZ, I think we have agreed that Tuesday
> the 26th is the day, but I still need a decision for the time's that the
> event will happen for.

Good question - day or night?  Which implies less conflict with things
people want to see/do at JavaOne?

Are the schedules available yet?

I'm happy to do the call for presentations if I can get two others to help
me select if there are too many.  I assume we'll take all that we can fit
into the allotted time, but with more than one person, we can judiciously
select if we have to.


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Back to JakartaOne planning...

[Jon Scott Stevens]

Hey all,

I suggest that a few people step up to volunteer to make JakartaOne happen
because it isn't going to happen all by itself. :-) Maybe even setup another
mailing list to do planning on so that people who are interested in planning
can join it and discuss things. If people are going to speak, a call for
papers needs to go out, etc...

As far as I'm concerned with StudioZ, I think we have agreed that Tuesday
the 26th is the day, but I still need a decision for the time's that the
event will happen for.

thanks,

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Jakarta Documentation

[Ted Husted]

acoliver wrote:
> I consider the statement "you just need to know where to look for" to be a
> symptom of improper information organization.  Such things should be *easy*
> to find.  Initiation into our community(ies?) has a higher barrier than I
> prefer, you can never have too much or too well organized documentation.
> (this is not to say that those who don't even read the web page before
> emailling committers "gee is POI written in Java"  won't still be
> challenged...and thats a good thing, but that those who are just simple
> minded programmers like me looking for a place to code or who want to know
> "do I have to donate my hello-world app based on" to look.

Any comments on this?

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/methodology.html


Note that there are two proposed outlines on the page. 

+ Following the Jakarta Way

and

+ The Volunteer Guides

In the latter, I'm trying to organize the material around the various
roles people play around here, from a user to a committer to a sys
admin, and have them build on each other. 

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Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

[Jeff Turner]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 12:39:20PM +, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > You must realize that there are different objectives.  It is the goal of
> > GNU to get all software to use the GPL.  It is not a goal of Apache to
> > get all software covered by the APL.  We're programmers, not lawyers.
> 
> That's why I wouldn't be "that" comfortable with a "Why GPL sucks" page...
> Political propaganda? Looks really like it... And IMO that's not what we're
> here to do... We're here to write software...

.. and if that software is already written, but under the GPL?

a) rewrite the code.
b) try to convince the authors to adopt a more liberal license.

I'd say a normal course of action is to attempt b), and then default to
a). This is what happened with the Webmacro saga, resulting in Velocity.

I will write a small patch for jakarta-site2. A paragraph or two, no GNU
bashing, simply "we feel the ASL has these practical advantages:..",
and a reference to the oreilly article, and we can vote on that.


--Jeff

(thanks also Andrew, Ceki, Danny and others who replied; I agree 100%
with your general sentiments, and hope to express them in the patch)

> Pier
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Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

[Ceki Gülcü]

Jeff,

Thanks for the link to this article. I found it to be well researched,
well written and instructive.  The "quodque pro quo" twist is rather
elegant, perhaps too elegant. From the comments on this list, I think that
most programmers tend to ignore licensing considerations. Does boring
lawyer mumbo-jumbo sound familiar?

Licensing issues are very confusing, at least in my mind. Putting aside our
reservations against the Free Software Foundation or the GPL, Richard
Stallman has authored make, gnu c compiler, and the beloved
emacs. This is more than most developers will achieve in 10 lifetimes,
yours humbly included. It is fascinating that he put so much energy in
to this copyleft vision and how far he carried it. My hat is off to RMS.

Regards, Ceki

At 22:16 05.03.2002 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is there a page somewhere at apache.org, explaining why anyone would want to
>switch from GPL to ASL? The GNU.org site paints a very inspiring picture of a
>world of Free Software. It would be nice if there was an Apache equivalent
>somewhere explaining the Apache philosophy. This could be used as 
>ammunition by
>people trying to "convert" useful GPL'ed projects. I'm sure many Jakarta
>members have found themselves in this situation.
>
>Personal perspective: I know I was quite shocked when I first heard someone
>here say "GPL sucks" (back in fighting-with-webmacro days:). I didn't know how
>to take it. What kind of philistine wouldn't want RMS's vision of Free 
>Software
>to come true? It took me a long time (as a university student) to understand
>why the GPL truly does suck as a license for business use.
>
>So, a) is there anything out there already, and b) if not, anyone want to
>volunteer? :) I'm not very qualified, but could certainly provide 
>something for
>a "testimonial" section.
>
>Here's a starting resource:
>
>http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a//policy/2001/12/12/transition.html
>
>"   Working Without Copyleft
>
>   It's possible to be an ardent supporter of open source development
>   and not be a fan of copyleft and the General Public License. In this
>   article the authors -- software developers -- relate how they came to
>   embrace copyleft, became disillusioned with its limitations, and
>   consequently turned away from it.
>"
>
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Re: StudioZ (was: Re: JakartaOne?)

[James Duncan Davidson]

On 3/4/02 11:36 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yea right ! You liar :-) Sounds too cool to be true :-) Of course this
> should be an all night session.

Definitely an all-nighter. :)

.:..:.:.:::.:::...:..:::.::.::...:::x180:james duncan davidson




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Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

[Joseph Dane]

> "Jeff" == Jeff Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 Jeff> Here's a starting resource:

 Jeff> http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a//policy/2001/12/12/transition.html

this link produced a (ouch) 500 response from oreilly.  I was able to
find another link that worked:

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/policy/2001/12/12/transition.html

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Re: Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

[acoliver]

>On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:09:23   Pier Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote.
>"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>A lot of "what we think and why" is on the web already... It's in the mail
>archives, in the presentations to different conferences, and so on... The
>word is out there, you just need to know where to look for...
>

Right, obviously he sees a need for a more collected page.  *shrug* I just
told him *submit one* -- My personal opinion is that while a prominent page
(fear of GNU backlash side) explaining the license would be helpful or just
a prominant link to the O'Reilly article, I don't really see the need for
GPL vs APL.  A page that had that title would be more reflective of the GNU
position on the subject.  There is quite a bit of confusion on the license,
I don't think a prominant page on it would be so controversial.

I consider the statement "you just need to know where to look for" to be a
symptom of improper information organization.  Such things should be *easy*
to find.  Initiation into our community(ies?) has a higher barrier than I
prefer, you can never have too much or too well organized documentation.
(this is not to say that those who don't even read the web page before
emailling committers "gee is POI written in Java"  won't still be
challenged...and thats a good thing, but that those who are just simple
minded programmers like me looking for a place to code or who want to know
"do I have to donate my hello-world app based on" to look.

>Pier
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Re: Licensing issues of distributing catalina tomcat with GPL software

[Paul Hammant]

Ruslan

>yes, i understand, what using xerces or xalan is ok this way,
>but i have a different situation,
>
>i am including tomcat not as library but as host environment (my app - web
>application - is executing on top of it)
>
Ahh, you have a WAR file webapp that is GPLed and imports javax.servlet 
(etc).  Well this is allowed too.  FSF have given wisdom on cases where 
the (GPL) imports (or #includes) libraries that come with the compiler. 
 If they do it does not matter what license it is.  This covers all in 
J2SE as GPL compatible, even though that (JDK) code is proprietary. 
 Now, the servlet API is in theory a separate download, but it it 
allowed informally.  In fact all code/libs that comes with the OS or the 
compiler are allowed.  Java is one big grey area as it is not truly an OS.

>methinks it is a little different than using passive api library exports.
>
It is.

>>Assuming you cannot remove your imports of unapproved licenses and you
>>are importing other GPL classes, change your license to LGPL, BSD, X11,
>>W3C or MIT licenses.
>>
>
>what do you think if my code will be available under GPL and LGPL
>simultaneously? or it is redundant?
>

If you are coding against the servlet API, then keep it as GPL if you 
want.  Dual license LGPL & GPL is messy.

- Paul



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Re: Licensing issues of distributing catalina tomcat with GPL software

[Ruslan]

- Original Message -
From: "Paul Hammant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Licensing issues of distributing catalina tomcat with GPL
software


> Ruslan,
>
> Basically you will be in breach of the GPL if you directly import Apache
> software. If you can use Apache software via an approved API like SAX
> then you are fine.  GPL considers the SAX API as compatible and does not
> care if it is Xerces being instantiated by the factory.

yes, i understand, what using xerces or xalan is ok this way,
but i have a different situation,

i am including tomcat not as library but as host environment (my app - web
application - is executing on top of it)

methinks it is a little different than using passive api library exports.

>
> Assuming you can change to a situation where you are not importing
> unapproved licenses (like Apache Software License), there is still some
> issue with distributing it in a zip/tar.gz with GPL jars or classes.  At
> least, I have heard of issues surrounding this, but cannot find a
> definitive statement at the FSF site.
>
> Assuming you cannot remove your imports of unapproved licenses and you
> are importing other GPL classes, change your license to LGPL, BSD, X11,
> W3C or MIT licenses.

what do you think if my code will be available under GPL and LGPL
simultaneously? or it is redundant?

>
> If you are not importing any GPL classes, and the decision to be GPL
> entirely rests with you, consider switching to other licenses like
> Apache, Mozilla etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> - Paul H
>
> >Hi!
> >
> >I would like my project to be as lawful and correct (in terms of
licenses)
> >as possible.
> >
> >In my project (http://osec.sf.net) I provide tomcat servlet container in
> >single package with other jars, available for separate download. Is that
> >correct? Maybe I should add more licensing notices on download
> >(http://osec.sf.net/download.shtml) page?
> >
> >Also i have modified bootstrap.jar from tomcat 4.0.1 and made it
available
> >for download, under which license it should go and is it correct?
> >
> >My project is released GPL (or LGPL).
> >
> >Please provide your suggestions on such matter.
> >
> >---
> >Ruslan AKA Jango < contact at ruslan dot org >
> >http://www.ruslan.org/
> >
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Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

[dirkx]

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:

> "Danny Angus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > And anyway aren't licence issues beyond the remit of Jakarta?
>
> Practically anyone has a word on the matter, as members are listening, but
> the "legal" decision (and legal obligations, bindings, restrictions,
> yadayadayada) are a "privilege" of members of the Foundation only, including
> what to do with the license...

I came here for code, Java code :-)

However there is a crowd discussing these things in depth at
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' - subscribe by sending a message to
license-subscribe@...

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Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

[Pier Fumagalli]

"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 07:39, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> You must realize that there are different objectives.  It is the goal of
>>> GNU to get all software to use the GPL.  It is not a goal of Apache to
>>> get all software covered by the APL.  We're programmers, not lawyers.
>> 
>> That's why I wouldn't be "that" comfortable with a "Why GPL sucks" page...
>> Political propaganda? Looks really like it... And IMO that's not what we're
>> here to do... We're here to write software...
> 
> *shrugs* I was just saying if he wanted to point out the need for a APL
> vs GPL differences page etc, then he should just submit one and see if
> it flies.  I'm prone to agree with you.  Legal issues bore the living
> crap out of me...okay not all together true...I watch Law and
> Order...but that's about the extent of it ;-).  Putting the page up
> would of course excite RMS people into a frenzy, but who cares (I have
> mail filters).  If people want the info, let em have it.

A lot of "what we think and why" is on the web already... It's in the mail
archives, in the presentations to different conferences, and so on... The
word is out there, you just need to know where to look for...

Pier


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Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

[Pier Fumagalli]

"Danny Angus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And anyway aren't licence issues beyond the remit of Jakarta?

Practically anyone has a word on the matter, as members are listening, but
the "legal" decision (and legal obligations, bindings, restrictions,
yadayadayada) are a "privilege" of members of the Foundation only, including
what to do with the license...

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Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

[Andrew C. Oliver]

On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 07:39, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > You must realize that there are different objectives.  It is the goal of
> > GNU to get all software to use the GPL.  It is not a goal of Apache to
> > get all software covered by the APL.  We're programmers, not lawyers.
> 
> That's why I wouldn't be "that" comfortable with a "Why GPL sucks" page...
> Political propaganda? Looks really like it... And IMO that's not what we're
> here to do... We're here to write software...
> 

*shrugs* I was just saying if he wanted to point out the need for a APL
vs GPL differences page etc, then he should just submit one and see if
it flies.  I'm prone to agree with you.  Legal issues bore the living
crap out of me...okay not all together true...I watch Law and
Order...but that's about the extent of it ;-).  Putting the page up
would of course excite RMS people into a frenzy, but who cares (I have
mail filters).  If people want the info, let em have it.

> Pier
> 
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RE: ASL vs. GPL page?

[Danny Angus]

Pier wrote:

> That's why I wouldn't be "that" comfortable with a "Why GPL sucks" page...
> Political propaganda? Looks really like it... And IMO that's not
> what we're
> here to do... We're here to write software...

+1 IMO The licence is there to empower us, its not a "product", its a
by-product of the Way Things Are around here.
It makes it possible for anyone to use, fork, extend and embed our code in
OS, free, shareware or commercial products. If other licences are
incompatible with this then that is an issue for them, it certainly is
seldom a barrier in commercial licences ;), we shouldn't alienate anyone by
setting ourselves up as some kind of authority and making political
statements *except* where the issues impact upon the functioning or
existence of the projects, like the JCP/JSPA issues.

And anyway aren't licence issues beyond the remit of Jakarta?

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Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

[javajoe2975]

Maybe it would be appropriate to direct questioners to
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/perens.html?

This O'Reilly page provides a brief overview of a few open source models
and offers a book for people with more in-depth questions.

Mike George


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Subject: Re: ASL vs. GPL page?


> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > You must realize that there are different objectives.  It is the goal of
> > GNU to get all software to use the GPL.  It is not a goal of Apache to
> > get all software covered by the APL.  We're programmers, not lawyers.
>
> That's why I wouldn't be "that" comfortable with a "Why GPL sucks" page...
> Political propaganda? Looks really like it... And IMO that's not what
we're
> here to do... We're here to write software...
>
> Pier
>
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Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

[Pier Fumagalli]

"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You must realize that there are different objectives.  It is the goal of
> GNU to get all software to use the GPL.  It is not a goal of Apache to
> get all software covered by the APL.  We're programmers, not lawyers.

That's why I wouldn't be "that" comfortable with a "Why GPL sucks" page...
Political propaganda? Looks really like it... And IMO that's not what we're
here to do... We're here to write software...

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Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

[Andrew C. Oliver]

Send in a patch or write one it seems like you've researched the issue
beyond *it sucks*.

On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 06:16, Jeff Turner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a page somewhere at apache.org, explaining why anyone would want to
> switch from GPL to ASL? The GNU.org site paints a very inspiring picture of a
> world of Free Software. It would be nice if there was an Apache equivalent
> somewhere explaining the Apache philosophy. This could be used as ammunition by
> people trying to "convert" useful GPL'ed projects. I'm sure many Jakarta
> members have found themselves in this situation.
> 

You must realize that there are different objectives.  It is the goal of
GNU to get all software to use the GPL.  It is not a goal of Apache to
get all software covered by the APL.  We're programmers, not lawyers. 
Most of make a living even writing software, not public speaking, etc.

> Personal perspective: I know I was quite shocked when I first heard someone
> here say "GPL sucks" (back in fighting-with-webmacro days:). I didn't know how
> to take it. What kind of philistine wouldn't want RMS's vision of Free Software
> to come true? It took me a long time (as a university student) to understand
> why the GPL truly does suck as a license for business use.
> 
> So, a) is there anything out there already, and b) if not, anyone want to
> volunteer? :) I'm not very qualified, but could certainly provide something for
> a "testimonial" section.
> 

Naw, you're perfectly qualified.  Write something, submit it and I'm
sure someone will correct any mistakes.  grab the jakarta-site2 module
and submit a patch.  use cvs diff -u 

-Andy

> Here's a starting resource:
> 
> http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a//policy/2001/12/12/transition.html
> 
> "  Working Without Copyleft
> 
>   It's possible to be an ardent supporter of open source development
>   and not be a fan of copyleft and the General Public License. In this
>   article the authors -- software developers -- relate how they came to
>   embrace copyleft, became disillusioned with its limitations, and
>   consequently turned away from it.
> "
> 
> --Jeff
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ASL vs. GPL page?

[Jeff Turner]

Hi,

Is there a page somewhere at apache.org, explaining why anyone would want to
switch from GPL to ASL? The GNU.org site paints a very inspiring picture of a
world of Free Software. It would be nice if there was an Apache equivalent
somewhere explaining the Apache philosophy. This could be used as ammunition by
people trying to "convert" useful GPL'ed projects. I'm sure many Jakarta
members have found themselves in this situation.

Personal perspective: I know I was quite shocked when I first heard someone
here say "GPL sucks" (back in fighting-with-webmacro days:). I didn't know how
to take it. What kind of philistine wouldn't want RMS's vision of Free Software
to come true? It took me a long time (as a university student) to understand
why the GPL truly does suck as a license for business use.

So, a) is there anything out there already, and b) if not, anyone want to
volunteer? :) I'm not very qualified, but could certainly provide something for
a "testimonial" section.

Here's a starting resource:

http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a//policy/2001/12/12/transition.html

"Working Without Copyleft

  It's possible to be an ardent supporter of open source development
  and not be a fan of copyleft and the General Public License. In this
  article the authors -- software developers -- relate how they came to
  embrace copyleft, became disillusioned with its limitations, and
  consequently turned away from it.
"

--Jeff

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Re: Licensing issues of distributing catalina tomcat with GPL software

[Paul Hammant]

Ruslan,

Basically you will be in breach of the GPL if you directly import Apache 
software. If you can use Apache software via an approved API like SAX 
then you are fine.  GPL considers the SAX API as compatible and does not 
care if it is Xerces being instantiated by the factory.  

Assuming you can change to a situation where you are not importing 
unapproved licenses (like Apache Software License), there is still some 
issue with distributing it in a zip/tar.gz with GPL jars or classes.  At 
least, I have heard of issues surrounding this, but cannot find a 
definitive statement at the FSF site.

Assuming you cannot remove your imports of unapproved licenses and you 
are importing other GPL classes, change your license to LGPL, BSD, X11, 
W3C or MIT licenses.

If you are not importing any GPL classes, and the decision to be GPL 
entirely rests with you, consider switching to other licenses like 
Apache, Mozilla etc.

Regards,

- Paul H

>Hi!
>
>I would like my project to be as lawful and correct (in terms of licenses)
>as possible.
>
>In my project (http://osec.sf.net) I provide tomcat servlet container in
>single package with other jars, available for separate download. Is that
>correct? Maybe I should add more licensing notices on download
>(http://osec.sf.net/download.shtml) page?
>
>Also i have modified bootstrap.jar from tomcat 4.0.1 and made it available
>for download, under which license it should go and is it correct?
>
>My project is released GPL (or LGPL).
>
>Please provide your suggestions on such matter.
>
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>Ruslan AKA Jango < contact at ruslan dot org >
>http://www.ruslan.org/
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