Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
To me that is the closed version of XFORMS. I likve novell.com/xforms that runs on Tomcat etc., and does not lock in a Windows client. .V Dominique Devienne wrote: Did you guys see in the news that Office 11 will have standard compliant XML schemas for Word and Excel files??? --DD -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 1:57 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip I don't really want or need to see Microsoft's code. What I would like to see is their file formats, protocols and APIs being documented so that other developers, open-source or otherwise, can interoperate and compete with their products clip I agree!! We're working on it, we're working on it... ( 1. http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/poifs/fileformat.html 2. http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/hssf/chart.html 3. http://sc.openoffice.org/excelfileformat.pdf ) Maybe you should lend us a hand. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
Because its more stable and runs faster under Linux than Star/OpenOffice? -Andy Scott Sanders wrote: But EVERYONE knows Word is only used on emails and simple love letters (with viri) under 4 pages. Why would you use anything else? Scott PS I do use Windows at work, and I even once had Excel open with 4 (yes four) workbooks at one time... -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:00 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way Yeah... Maybe they can make it not crash for reasonable sized files... That would be compliant.. -Andy Scott Sanders wrote: Just like the news had Office 10, 9, 8, and 7 will all these XML compliance features? Office 11 will be closer than anything before, but I might be inclined to drop java if what they see is the same as what they do :) Scott -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 09:18, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Because its more stable and runs faster under Linux than Star/OpenOffice? Sadly, MS Word under CrossOver Office is more stable on my Linux workstation at work than OpenOffice. Hopefully this will change. -Brian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
I think this thread has lost its way :-) Conor you are right! Because its more stable and runs faster under Linux than Star/OpenOffice? Sadly, MS Word under CrossOver Office is more stable on my Linux workstation at work than OpenOffice. Hopefully this will change. -Brian so ppl, why don't you report bugs so they can make it stable?!!! open source community is our own softwar and we need to enhance it rather than leaving it for something else. if one day you saw your kid in dangur you will help him, am i right?? or you will leave him and buy another kid from the stors?!! support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :) -mohammad _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
Sadly, MS Word under CrossOver Office is more stable on my Linux workstation at work than OpenOffice. Hopefully this will change. -Brian so ppl, why don't you report bugs so they can make it stable?!!! Before you lecture, go look at the OpenOffice sources. It is amazing that the thing even works. open source community is our own softwar and we need to enhance it rather than leaving it for something else. At some point you'll reach a point where your to-do list is so long that its just not feasible. The effort to improve OpenOffice would be MASSIVE due to horrible sourcecode organization and some just plain bad practice. Also you'll find it even more difficult to handle if you can't read German. (Much of the code commenting and some of the code itself is in German). if one day you saw your kid in dangur you will help him, am i right?? or you will leave him and buy another kid from the stors?!! support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :) Why in the heck would I want to support Sun blindly? What's in it for me? Why would I want to support manufacturers ambivilently? -Andy -mohammad _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
Amen, Brother. Kill this thread! At 01:50 AM 12/14/2002 +1100, you wrote: Brian McCallister wrote: On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 09:18, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Because its more stable and runs faster under Linux than Star/OpenOffice? Sadly, MS Word under CrossOver Office is more stable on my Linux workstation at work than OpenOffice. Hopefully this will change. -Brian I think this thread has lost its way :-) Conor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Micael --- This electronic mail transmission and any accompanying documents contain information belonging to the sender which may be confidential and legally privileged. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom this electronic mail transmission was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of the information contained in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete the message. Thank you -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote: support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :) Do you just not grasp that Sun's rigid control of Java is the antithesis of Open Source, and _especially_ the Apache philosophy? Try forking the Java codebase sometime. See how fast it takes Sun's lawyers to find you. Want to port Java to a new platform? Get special permission from Sun, and don't plan on having public CVS (see the FreeBSD experience). There's nothing open about that. Jeff -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nagoya Moved...
Ok, I got a couple of complaints from freaks whose DNS didn't refresh all right (not _my_ fault :-)... If someone on your favorite list is complaining that they can't see Nagoya, or the bug database, tell them to fix their DNS server (first) and to use the (new) IP address straight: http://192.18.33.10/ Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
On 13/12/02 20:00 Jeff Schnitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote: support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :) Do you just not grasp that Sun's rigid control of Java is the antithesis of Open Source, and _especially_ the Apache philosophy? Try forking the Java codebase sometime. See how fast it takes Sun's lawyers to find you. Want to port Java to a new platform? Get special permission from Sun, and don't plan on having public CVS (see the FreeBSD experience). There's nothing open about that. That's why the Foundation is working to fix that... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
Sun is exactly what Microsoft would be if it were short a few billion dollars. To think otherwise is to significantly deceive ones self. -Andy Jeff Schnitzer wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote: support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :) Do you just not grasp that Sun's rigid control of Java is the antithesis of Open Source, and _especially_ the Apache philosophy? Try forking the Java codebase sometime. See how fast it takes Sun's lawyers to find you. Want to port Java to a new platform? Get special permission from Sun, and don't plan on having public CVS (see the FreeBSD experience). There's nothing open about that. Jeff -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
To suggest that Sun [t]here's nothing 'open' about Sun is not very insightful. Compare them to Microsoft, for example. You need to speak in ways that at least pass the laugh test. Sun deserves one hell of a lot of credit. At 02:44 AM 12/14/2002 +, you wrote: On 13/12/02 20:00 Jeff Schnitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote: support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :) Do you just not grasp that Sun's rigid control of Java is the antithesis of Open Source, and _especially_ the Apache philosophy? Try forking the Java codebase sometime. See how fast it takes Sun's lawyers to find you. Want to port Java to a new platform? Get special permission from Sun, and don't plan on having public CVS (see the FreeBSD experience). There's nothing open about that. That's why the Foundation is working to fix that... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Micael --- This electronic mail transmission and any accompanying documents contain information belonging to the sender which may be confidential and legally privileged. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom this electronic mail transmission was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of the information contained in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete the message. Thank you -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
