Re: future for maven generated websites?
On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 10:49 +1000, Brett Porter wrote: There are a few alternatives. If webDAV is the answer from infra, then we can definitely get that into the site plugin. It is on the todo list as Tim noted, but the list remains very long at this point :) sounds familiar: so much work, so few hours :) a lot of folks are keen on mavenised websites here so i think that we should be able to find volunteers to hack the code provided that there are maven folks willing to give a lead and make sure the work's done in the right way. given that infrastructures talking about switching off accounts on minotaur in a matter of months and there's work that's going to be needed to be done, it's probably worth trying to pull some stuff together sooner rather than later. this seems like an apache-wide infrastructure issue for maven so there are a number of lists that might be appropriate for this discussion (maven-dev, infrastructure, general at jakarta). i'd be inclined to leave the thread here (might be easier to find bodies who aren't working on maven right now). opinions? - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: future for maven generated websites?
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:01:07 +0100, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: given that infrastructures talking about switching off accounts on minotaur in a matter of months and there's work that's going to be needed to be done, it's probably worth trying to pull some stuff together sooner rather than later. this seems like an apache-wide infrastructure issue for maven so there are a number of lists that might be appropriate for this discussion (maven-dev, infrastructure, general at jakarta). i'd be inclined to leave the thread here (might be easier to find bodies who aren't working on maven right now). opinions? If I remember correctly, there was some talk on infrastructure about creating a whole publishing system with a staging server and a way to generate the sites via maven or ant or whatever. I would suggest moving this discussion over to the infra list. -- jaaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: future for maven generated websites?
Just deployed an update to the Turbine site; I'm sitting tight to see whether it will show up or not. Regards Henning On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 00:35 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: does anyone have a plan to cope with rebuilding maven based websites when shell access is switched off to the machine serving the website? Yes. And in the meantime, just update minotaur, and the site will be synched to the live server. Which also means that we have a backup of the live site if the web server were to crash. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Engineering Now you can start with implementation and integration and do the requirements later. -- Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy about the new german federal software development standard V-Model XT (found at http://de.biz.yahoo.com/050207/299/4en0t.html) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: future for maven generated websites?
FYI, it does show up. Thanks, good job, folks! Regards Henning On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 20:07 +0200, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: Just deployed an update to the Turbine site; I'm sitting tight to see whether it will show up or not. Regards Henning On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 00:35 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: does anyone have a plan to cope with rebuilding maven based websites when shell access is switched off to the machine serving the website? Yes. And in the meantime, just update minotaur, and the site will be synched to the live server. Which also means that we have a backup of the live site if the web server were to crash. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Engineering Now you can start with implementation and integration and do the requirements later. -- Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy about the new german federal software development standard V-Model XT (found at http://de.biz.yahoo.com/050207/299/4en0t.html) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: future for maven generated websites?
I believe you're really talking about deployment, rather than generation. I doubt that any changes will be needed in generation itself. The current hand-wavy answer on updating web sites when shell accounts go away is WebDAV. I'm not sure if anyone has thought this through yet, though - when I asked for more detail, the answer was essentially dunno yet. So I guess we'll have to wait and see, although if you have suggestions / want to keep up to date, infrastructure@ is the place to be. -- Martin Cooper On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:29:28 +0100, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone have a plan to cope with rebuilding maven based websites when shell access is switched off to the machine serving the website? will we be able to run regular maven site regeneration on a jakarta.apache.org partition? - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: future for maven generated websites?
-Original Message- From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:54 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: future for maven generated websites? I believe you're really talking about deployment, rather than generation. I doubt that any changes will be needed in generation itself. The current hand-wavy answer on updating web sites when shell accounts go away is WebDAV. I'm not sure if anyone has thought this through yet, though - when I asked for more detail, the answer was essentially dunno yet. So I guess we'll have to wait and see, although if you have suggestions / want to keep up to date, infrastructure@ is the place to be. That brings up the question, is anyone working on to integrate WebDAV support with the site plug-in? I see a Jira issue for maven-site-plugin that adds webdav support using Slide, but no activity since Jan: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPSITE-17 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: future for maven generated websites?
There are a few alternatives. If webDAV is the answer from infra, then we can definitely get that into the site plugin. It is on the todo list as Tim noted, but the list remains very long at this point :) The lack of detecting changed documents in the current xdoc plugin is probably a limitation here too - it reuploads everything. The other ideas I think are possibilities: - committing the site to SVN, and automatically updating it on the live site. An automatic commit is probably quite easy to add to the site plugin as a deployment method. - run Maven on the new zones for the projects, and have the live site pull the content from there. - a decentralised mechanism that can take a doc method and source location and run the publish. David Crossley has done something like this for forrestbot on brutus (which will obviously need a new home too) and intended to incorporate anakia and Maven too I believe. I'd intended to wait until the dust settled and it was clearer what solutions were available. For now, scp'ing to minotaur is still viable. The site plugin now supports running a staging site as well so sites can be publicly reviewed before being pushed live - this is something I'd like to continue and improve whatever option is chosen to give a place to publish documentation samples, and to help prevent accidents where live sites get overwritten by bad settings :) If anyone is interested in helping out on the Maven side, please just ping the Maven Dev list - it'd certainly be welcomed. Cheers, Brett On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:47:18 -0500, Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:54 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: future for maven generated websites? I believe you're really talking about deployment, rather than generation. I doubt that any changes will be needed in generation itself. The current hand-wavy answer on updating web sites when shell accounts go away is WebDAV. I'm not sure if anyone has thought this through yet, though - when I asked for more detail, the answer was essentially dunno yet. So I guess we'll have to wait and see, although if you have suggestions / want to keep up to date, infrastructure@ is the place to be. That brings up the question, is anyone working on to integrate WebDAV support with the site plug-in? I see a Jira issue for maven-site-plugin that adds webdav support using Slide, but no activity since Jan: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPSITE-17 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: future for maven generated websites?
does anyone have a plan to cope with rebuilding maven based websites when shell access is switched off to the machine serving the website? Yes. And in the meantime, just update minotaur, and the site will be synched to the live server. Which also means that we have a backup of the live site if the web server were to crash. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]