Re: [gentoo-user] Lilo warning message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 13:31, sabato 8 novembre 2003, Hall Stevenson ha scritto: Do you have 'lba32' specified in your /etc/lilo.conf file ?? Hall Yes, it is specified. Therefore, looking Andrew Gaffney replay it's logical. Thanks all. - -- Gentoo Linux: Gentoo Base System version 1.4.3.10p1 kernel-2.4.22-ac1 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ Acer Aspire 1315LC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rgVxfXAYERCkbrcRAnwHAJ9DWjBw+UMZkmeSBQUDjyOFXkusgwCeKtHz eiyTd0LkcUWT5370gN2L6ow= =0NEg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Emerg errors
Christopher Johnson wrote: While installing, my build will inevitably die while trying to make binutils. I've tried the 686 and Athlon cd's, changed the settings in make.conf and attempted to start from all three stages (it dies while trying to build X during stage 3). What exactly do you mean by 'dies'? Does it segfault? Do you get a message about an 'Illegal Instruction'? -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] share internet with dlink wifi device?
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 01:12, Norbert Kamenicky wrote: Tom Wesley wrote: Hi all, Has anyone had any experience sharing internet access with a dlink card? The card is a DWL-510. No, but I used DLINK DWL900AP+ and can say I had a LOT of troubles with it ... i.e. it freezes totaly if some other wifi (with different ssid) transmits on the same channel (The only solution is to shield/unmount the antenna and off/on power, if setup change via web iface is needed !!!) DLINK uses Texas Instruments chipset ACX100, so AFAIK there are two possibilities how to get it work: 1. use linux native open source driver, which you can find on http://www.minitar.com 2. use windblowz driver from this site: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/ Please let us to know your results. noro From looking around more on the internet it seems that the DLink I have uses a Broadcom chipset, which is only supported by the driverloader you mentioned. Although it does seem to correctly detect the device, even to the stage that it shows as eth1, it seems to make my system a little unstable. And I have to admit I'm not up for paying money for a driver if I can exchange the hardware and no additional cost. Does anyone know of a card that will do what I need? There is a useful looking post on the forum [1] that suggests a Prism2 based card, so I will probably go along that route. Thanks, [1] http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=21919highlight=hostap -- Tom Wesley signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] SSH permission question
Hi Andrej, Stroller and others Finally I discover the cause of the problem but still there are some minor problems remained unsolved. PC1-RH9 box == Recently I am testing Shorewall 1.4.7 on this box so that there are 2 firewalls, Shorewall and Iptables, running on the same box but without conflict. I have configured Shorewall 1.4.7 including IP masquerading leaving Iptables untouched as default firewall eversince the intallation of RH9. After stopping Iptables # /etc/init.d/iptables stop Then PC1-RH9 box, both as ROOT and USER, can connect both ROOT's and USER's X-server of PC2-Gentoo box. PC2-Gentoo box This box also has 2 NICs eth0connected to broadband via ADSL modem when it works as standalone workstation. At time of testing SSH there is no connection eth1connected to PC1-RH9 box If I add 'adsl-start' in /etc/conf.d/local.start, this box can't connect X-server of PC1-RH9 box (however login to PC1-RH9 box being possible). I have to remove it from /etc/conf.d/local.start. In the recent test I added it to reconfirm this discovery. Now another minor problem popup after removing 'adsl-start' at finish of the aforesaid reconfirmation. As ROOT PC1-Gentoo box can't connect X-server of PC1-RH9 box (login being possible) # ssh -l root 192.168.0.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. Last login: Sun Nov 9 16:53:10 2003 from 192.168.0.2 # konqueror Xlib: connection to localhost:11.0 refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key konqueror: cannot connect to X server localhost:11.0 # kedit Xlib: connection to localhost:11.0 refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key kedit: cannot connect to X server localhost:11.0 But as USER PC2-Gentoo box can connect X-server of PC1-RH9 box. My new questions are; 1) How to configure Iptables so that it can coexist with Shorewall without affecting SSH 2) How to solve the remaining problem in PC2-Gentoo box as mentioned above Thanks in advance. B.R. Stephen On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 08:28:59 +0800 Stephen Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sudo grep -i Root /etc/ssh/sshd_config #PermitRootLogin yes Shouldn't that be uncommented (without leading '#') ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: wine'ing some games
William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont regard this as a free speech issue, but about common decency. As do I. I might be annoyed by people using bad language, too, (not necessarily bad words, but when people don't bother to express their problems/opinions understandably), but I don't write snipe people in public forums about it. What we need to get along on this kind of list is tolerance, not a bad word list. That way lies censorship. -- Björn Lindström [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bkhl.elektrubadur.se/ ICQ: 82945879 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Help! Video4Linux / XawTV
- snip - What does dmesg|grep bttv say? Nothing. hmmm ... it seems, your card is not recognized/missing ! - snip - Warning: Cannot convert string-*-ledfixed-medium-r-*--39-*-*-*-c-*-*-* to type FontStruct Segmentation Fault I made run xawtv for my friend (can't check it now), but remember I had to edit xawtv config file somewhere in /etc/X11/ directory and replace the words ledfixed with fixed, because ledfixed font was'nt available - snip - tuner 13068 0 tvaudio18892 0 msp340019556 0 bttv 121708 0 video_buf 16132 1 bttv i2c_algo_bit8200 1 bttv btcx_risc 3592 1 bttv I have none of those. yes, because you compiled it to the kernel ... I prefer modules for Pinacle Studio card it needs these modules: tuner 11040 1 (autoclean) tvaudio14300 0 (autoclean) (unused) bttv 79200 1 i2c-algo-bit8456 1 [bttv] i2c-core 15944 0 [tuner tvaudio bttv i2c-algo-bit] btaudio11052 0 soundcore 4196 5 [i810_audio bttv btaudio] - snip - Have you changed the access rights of /dev/v4l/* ? No. you can try to run it as root, to elimine/identify premissions problems - snip - noro -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] which type of access to a webserver?
Matthias F. Brandstetter wrote: Hi all, I have a question to all of you: What do you think, which would be the best, ie. most secure access to a webserver, so that users can update their sites? Use jail (chrooted environment) + ssh emerge jail openssh - snip - noro -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which type of access to a webserver?
Björn Lindström wrote: Matthias F. Brandstetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a question to all of you: What do you think, which would be the best, ie. most secure access to a webserver, so that users can update their sites? To be more specific: I can't allow ssh login for most of this users for several reasons, that's why I set /bin/false as login shell for them. Ok, so no ssh, no ftp (sidenote: I hate [S]FTP[S] for several reasons, ee. firewall issues and so forth). Use ssh with a restricted shell. Restrict them to sftp only. Firewall issues? Fix the firewall. AFAIK restricted shell (bash -r) doesn't work anymore, use jail insted -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] japanese input
On Sunday 09 November 2003 03:08, Jeff Ames wrote: I've tried to launch kinput2 with different args I launch kinput2 as 'kinput2 -canna ' (make sure canna is running) (process:11009): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. Try 'locale -a | grep ja_JP' and see what you do have support for. Then to launch an application with Japanese input support, I think you only need to set LC_CTYPE. locale -a give me lots of locales (368) but no ja_JP.UTF-8 how can I add support for this one? Then you should be able to open an application and use Japanese by hitting the windows key. I know aterm and rxvt support Japanese... You might also want to check whether you have the 'cjk' USE flag set. HTH, Jeff thanks for the help. I had still to play with lots of config files, but now everything is working. But for one small problem: every application started with LC_CTYPE=ja_JP is displayed with a default cursive font. It's quite nice but totally unusable! Not only kanjis and cannas are in cursive. Latin characters also show up in cursive. I think it's an unicode font because there are accentuated letters: éàà (and not squares). I've tried to change fonts in kde, in xftconfig, XF86Config, acticvated / desactived xfs. But still no cigar. How do I choose the default font for kde? X? for unicode / japanese / iso-latin, ... TIA -- mathieu -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting an ISO image problems
- snip - Well, the problem is that you can only mount an image as a user if the image and mountpoint are specified in the fstab. I still don't know why mount (or the kernel or something) can't start allowing mounts of a file readable by a user over a directory the user owns... :-) :-) :-) ... security reason ! If you like to allow your users to mount just anything, (doesn't matter in which dir) it's the same, like give them root password ... never heard about Trojan horse ? :-) PS. it's typical question of people who use windblowz (where security issues were made by diletants, if at all), but know nothing about unix security ... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] japanese input
On Sunday 09 November 2003 22:11, mathieu perrenoud wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 03:08, Jeff Ames wrote: I've tried to launch kinput2 with different args I launch kinput2 as 'kinput2 -canna ' (make sure canna is running) (process:11009): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. Try 'locale -a | grep ja_JP' and see what you do have support for. Then to launch an application with Japanese input support, I think you only need to set LC_CTYPE. locale -a give me lots of locales (368) but no ja_JP.UTF-8 how can I add support for this one? There is a howto for this at forums.gentoo.org. Then you should be able to open an application and use Japanese by hitting the windows key. I know aterm and rxvt support Japanese... You might also want to check whether you have the 'cjk' USE flag set. thanks for the help. I had still to play with lots of config files, but now everything is working. But for one small problem: every application started with LC_CTYPE=ja_JP is displayed with a default cursive font. It's quite nice but totally unusable! Not only kanjis and cannas are in cursive. Latin characters also show up in cursive. I think it's an unicode font because there are accentuated letters: éàà (and not squares). I've tried to change fonts in kde, in xftconfig, XF86Config, acticvated / desactived xfs. But still no cigar. How do I choose the default font for kde? X? for unicode / japanese / iso-latin, ... You can do some of that using qtconfig, but for the most part it depends on how your fonts are set up. More than likely you should use /etc/fonts. Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Limiting search for hard drives
Hi, Is there any simple way to instruct the kernel to limit its boot time search for hard drives to /dev/hda through /dev/hde? I end up with a long delay while it waits for no response on the second channel of the second controller. Thanks, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] SSH permission question
On Nov 9, 2003, at 12:28 am, Stephen Liu wrote: - snip - $ sudo grep -i Root /etc/ssh/sshd_config Password(enter satimis password) sendmail: Cannot open mail:25 satimis is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. The sudo is for a regular user to have root permissions. The user needs to be in the sudoers file needs to enter _their own_ password. But ignore that. Login as root # grep -i Root /etc/ssh/sshd_config Then log out again. # sudo grep -i Root /etc/ssh/sshd_config #PermitRootLogin yes You should be doing this on the machine which you are unable to ssh into; IE 192.168.0.2 # ssh -l root 192.168.0.2 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.2 port 22: Connection refused Can you ssh into that machine as regular user..? Yes. I use it quite often $ ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Permission denied, please try again. [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Last login: Sun Nov 9 00:08:54 2003 from localhost.localdomain So clearly you need to uncomment the #PermitRootLogin yes line, don't you think..? Does that not fix it..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wine'ing some games
On Nov 9, 2003, at 2:42 am, Ernie Schroder wrote: #3. I am nowhere near a language bigot, but I am a gentleman. The Jargon File has this to say about the label hacker http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html: It is better to be described as a hacker by others than to describe oneself that way. I think the same thing could be said about the label gentleman. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Changing Apache htdocs DIR, why?
hi, i was wondering as i see that the config files now have a new htdocs DIR. No more in /home/httpd/htdocs, it moved to /var/www like debian. But, can anybody explaining me why? Beginning of differences between /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf and /etc/apache2/conf/._cfg_apache2.conf --- /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf 2003-09-19 17:41:22.0 +0200 +++ /etc/apache2/conf/._cfg_apache2.conf2003-11-09 02:19:52.0 +0100 @@ -1,16 +1,16 @@ ### /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf -### $Id: apache2.conf,v 1.2 2003/02/23 19:39:22 woodchip Exp $ +### $Id: apache2.conf,v 1.3 2003/09/25 02:20:48 woodchip Exp $ ### ### Main Configuration Section ### You really shouldn't change these settings unless you're a guru ### ServerRoot /etc/apache2 -ServerName debian02.dyndns.org +#ServerName localhost #LockFile /etc/apache2/apache2.lock PidFile /var/run/apache2.pid ErrorLog logs/error_log LogLevel warn -DocumentRoot /home/httpd/htdocs +DocumentRoot /var/www/localhost/htdocs ### Dynamic Shared Object (DSO) Support ### @@ -187,10 +187,3 @@ MaxThreadsPerChild 20 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 /IfModule -Include conf/apache.webalizer - -Directory /home/httpd/htdocs/gallery -AllowOverride Options FileInfo -/Directory -RedirectPermanent http://debian02.dyndns.org/ http://debian02.dyndns.org/blog/ - cu denny -- cu denny Gnupg key can be found under pgp.mit.edu, key ID 0x73137598 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing Apache htdocs DIR, why?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ServerRoot has moved in order to make things easier for people using vhosts ;-) El Domingo, 9 de Noviembre de 2003 15:48, Denny Schierz escribió: hi, i was wondering as i see that the config files now have a new htdocs DIR. No more in /home/httpd/htdocs, it moved to /var/www like debian. But, can anybody explaining me why? Beginning of differences between /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf and /etc/apache2/conf/._cfg_apache2.conf --- /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf 2003-09-19 17:41:22.0 +0200 +++ /etc/apache2/conf/._cfg_apache2.conf2003-11-09 02:19:52.0 +0100 @@ -1,16 +1,16 @@ ### /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf -### $Id: apache2.conf,v 1.2 2003/02/23 19:39:22 woodchip Exp $ +### $Id: apache2.conf,v 1.3 2003/09/25 02:20:48 woodchip Exp $ ### ### Main Configuration Section ### You really shouldn't change these settings unless you're a guru ### ServerRoot /etc/apache2 -ServerName debian02.dyndns.org +#ServerName localhost #LockFile /etc/apache2/apache2.lock PidFile /var/run/apache2.pid ErrorLog logs/error_log LogLevel warn -DocumentRoot /home/httpd/htdocs +DocumentRoot /var/www/localhost/htdocs ### Dynamic Shared Object (DSO) Support ### @@ -187,10 +187,3 @@ MaxThreadsPerChild 20 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 /IfModule -Include conf/apache.webalizer - -Directory /home/httpd/htdocs/gallery -AllowOverride Options FileInfo -/Directory -RedirectPermanent http://debian02.dyndns.org/ http://debian02.dyndns.org/blog/ - cu denny - -- Regards, /* Alberto García Hierro (Skyhusker) */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rlWT4O6JklHkL2cRAvU3AJ4yo0jq/kUoX3XE6TKdpLgzmGtqfQCeMVhD /wJzIQ46qFNbc1wH0SvR+fc= =eTwn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing Apache htdocs DIR, why?
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 01:18, Denny Schierz wrote: hi, i was wondering as i see that the config files now have a new htdocs DIR. No more in /home/httpd/htdocs, it moved to /var/www like debian. But, can anybody explaining me why? GLEP 11 discusses this. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0011.html Max. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing Apache htdocs DIR, why?
i dont understand why its easier with vhosts when the documentroot is /var/www, i would believe its the same with /home/httpd :) On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 15:56, Alberto Garcia Hierro wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ServerRoot has moved in order to make things easier for people using vhosts ;-) El Domingo, 9 de Noviembre de 2003 15:48, Denny Schierz escribió: hi, i was wondering as i see that the config files now have a new htdocs DIR. No more in /home/httpd/htdocs, it moved to /var/www like debian. But, can anybody explaining me why? Beginning of differences between /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf and /etc/apache2/conf/._cfg_apache2.conf --- /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf 2003-09-19 17:41:22.0 +0200 +++ /etc/apache2/conf/._cfg_apache2.conf2003-11-09 02:19:52.0 +0100 @@ -1,16 +1,16 @@ ### /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf -### $Id: apache2.conf,v 1.2 2003/02/23 19:39:22 woodchip Exp $ +### $Id: apache2.conf,v 1.3 2003/09/25 02:20:48 woodchip Exp $ ### ### Main Configuration Section ### You really shouldn't change these settings unless you're a guru ### ServerRoot /etc/apache2 -ServerName debian02.dyndns.org +#ServerName localhost #LockFile /etc/apache2/apache2.lock PidFile /var/run/apache2.pid ErrorLog logs/error_log LogLevel warn -DocumentRoot /home/httpd/htdocs +DocumentRoot /var/www/localhost/htdocs ### Dynamic Shared Object (DSO) Support ### @@ -187,10 +187,3 @@ MaxThreadsPerChild 20 MaxRequestsPerChild 0 /IfModule -Include conf/apache.webalizer - -Directory /home/httpd/htdocs/gallery -AllowOverride Options FileInfo -/Directory -RedirectPermanent http://debian02.dyndns.org/ http://debian02.dyndns.org/blog/ - cu denny - -- Regards, /* Alberto García Hierro (Skyhusker) */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rlWT4O6JklHkL2cRAvU3AJ4yo0jq/kUoX3XE6TKdpLgzmGtqfQCeMVhD /wJzIQ46qFNbc1wH0SvR+fc= =eTwn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wine'ing some games
i started it, and now i stop it ### THE END ### On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 15:35, Redeeman wrote: hi, i am trying to wine pocket tanks, and it starts okay, but it sets lower resolution, but it doesent change resolution correct, because it does the same as ctrl + alt + '-' so that it still has 1600x1200, but only views 800x600, and the rest is scrollable, and then when i move the mouse in the wined game, it goes out of the 800x600 and then it fucks up, is there any way to fix this? -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing Apache htdocs DIR, why?
On Sunday 09 November 2003 15:56, Redeeman wrote: i dont understand why its easier with vhosts when the documentroot is /var/www, i would believe its the same with /home/httpd :) the reasons are explained in the document link mentionned in a previous answer in this thread... Azhdeen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] converting and editing mov's
On Saturday 08 November 2003 10:33 pm, gabriel wrote: On November 8, 2003 10:33 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got some mov files from a friend of my dog, but one is hugh, over 11MB. I would like to edit it to a smaller size and convert to mpeg. What software do you recommend? i've heard that mplayer will do such things. and some other's i've heard do a good job are cinelerra and kino. but to be honest, for stuff like that, i just use virtualdub. it's a windows app, but it rocks from on high: www.virtualdub.org and it's gpl ;-) any ideas as to what it would take to port it to linux? http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/ -- Categorical Imperative: Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law. --Immanuel Kant: (Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals) (1785) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Solved: LILO Windows on 2 Harddisks
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 04:11, Oliver Lange wrote: On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:35:00 +0100, Redeeman wrote: i know why. by some reason windoze fails, BUT there is a solution to f00l windoze ;D you gotta make some mappings to trick windows, and then it works (does for me) alltough i changed to grub add this: map-drive=0x80 to=0x81 map-drive=0x81 to=0x80 and it should work :) Thank you, that helped me finding the answer. I found a way which is a bit easier. So for those of you who want to boot a Windows from LILO on another harddisk, add the following parameter to the windows boot entry: master-boot (a new LILO option, assuming actual LILO being installed) and that's it LILO now virtually makes the bootdisk the primary boot device. Bingo. any ideas how to set this in grub? gabor -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Limiting search for hard drives
begin quote On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 05:59:12 -0800 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there any simple way to instruct the kernel to limit its boot time search for hard drives to /dev/hda through /dev/hde? I end up with long delay while it waits for no response on the second channel of the second controller. add this to the commandline for your kernel : hdb=ignore hdc=ignore hdd=ignore hdf=ignore after the kernel line in grub, or as append= in lilo //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] SSH permission question
Hi Stroller, Can you ssh into that machine as regular user..? Yes. I use it quite often $ ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Permission denied, please try again. [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Last login: Sun Nov 9 00:08:54 2003 from localhost.localdomain So clearly you need to uncomment the #PermitRootLogin yes line, don't you think..? Does that not fix it..? I tried on both PCs. It did not help. Please see my previous posting which is repeated hereinunder Hi Andrej, Stroller and others Finally I discover the cause of the problem but still there are some minor problems remained unsolved. PC1-RH9 box == Recently I am testing Shorewall 1.4.7 on this box so that there are 2 firewalls, Shorewall and Iptables, running on the same box but without conflict. I have configured Shorewall 1.4.7 including IP masquerading leaving Iptables untouched as default firewall eversince the intallation of RH9. After stopping Iptables # /etc/init.d/iptables stop Then PC1-RH9 box, both as ROOT and USER, can connect both ROOT's and USER's X-server of PC2-Gentoo box. PC2-Gentoo box This box also has 2 NICs eth0connected to broadband via ADSL modem when it works as standalone workstation. At time of testing SSH there is no connection eth1connected to PC1-RH9 box If I add 'adsl-start' in /etc/conf.d/local.start, this box can't connect X-server of PC1-RH9 box (however login to PC1-RH9 box being possible). I have to remove it from /etc/conf.d/local.start. In the recent test I added it to reconfirm this discovery. Now another minor problem popup after removing 'adsl-start' at finish of the aforesaid reconfirmation. As ROOT PC1-Gentoo box can't connect X-server of PC1-RH9 box (login being possible) # ssh -l root 192.168.0.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. Last login: Sun Nov 9 16:53:10 2003 from 192.168.0.2 # konqueror Xlib: connection to localhost:11.0 refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key konqueror: cannot connect to X server localhost:11.0 # kedit Xlib: connection to localhost:11.0 refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key kedit: cannot connect to X server localhost:11.0 But as USER PC2-Gentoo box can connect X-server of PC1-RH9 box. My new questions are; 1) How to configure Iptables so that it can coexist with Shorewall without affecting SSH 2) How to solve the remaining problem in PC2-Gentoo box as mentioned above Thanks in advance. B.R. Stephen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] MozillaFirebird question
This may be a dumb question, but can someone explain why one instance of MozillaFirebird with only one tab open starts 5 processes each using about 25 megs of ram? 10187 ernie 15 0 25064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:01.93 MozillaFirebird 10190 ernie 15 0 25064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.00 MozillaFirebird 10191 ernie 15 0 25064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.01 MozillaFirebird 10192 ernie 15 0 25064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.00 MozillaFirebird 10193 ernie 15 0 25064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.00 MozillaFirebird Is there a way to see what these extra processes are doing other than killing them one by one? -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] qt3.2.2 upgrade issues?
031108 Andrej Kacian wrote: 8 Nov 2003 Alberto Garcia Hierro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El Sábado, 8 de Noviembre de 2003 18:45, Chris Bare escribió: I just did an emerge -up world and see: qt-3.2.2-r1 [qt-3.1.2-r4] I was just curious if anyone has had any problems with this. I've just upgraded and almost everything seems ok. I've upgraded too, without problems. Fonts are unchanged here (i686). i'm not sure if this is relevant (this isn't a 'world'), but i get: root: purslow emerge -p qt These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [blocks B ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.1.4 (from pkg x11-libs/qt-3.2.2) [ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-3.2.2 [3.1.2-r4] root: purslow emerge -p kdelibs These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N] kde-base/kde-env-3-r2 [ebuild U ] kde-base/arts-1.1.4 [1.1.3] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.1.4 [3.1.3-r1] this is qt-3.2.2 , not qt-3.2.2-r1 (as CB wrote). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: MozillaFirebird question
Ernie Schroder wrote: This may be a dumb question, but can someone explain why one instance of MozillaFirebird with only one tab open starts 5 processes each using about 25 megs of ram? These are probably not processes, but threads (light weight processes), and they are all taking the same 25 MB. 10187 ernie 15 0 25064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:01.93 MozillaFirebird 10190 ernie 15 0 25064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.00 MozillaFirebird 10191 ernie 15 0 25064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.01 MozillaFirebird 10192 ernie 15 0 25064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.00 MozillaFirebird 10193 ernie 15 0 25064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.00 MozillaFirebird Is there a way to see what these extra processes are doing other than killing them one by one? strace -p 10187 would show what process/thread 10187 is doing. Regards... Michael -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Solved: LILO Windows on 2 Harddisks
i have: title=Microsnot Windoze 2003 Enterprise Server map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) rootnoverify (hd1,0) chainloader +1 makeactive i hope it can help On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 08:13, gabor wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 04:11, Oliver Lange wrote: On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:35:00 +0100, Redeeman wrote: i know why. by some reason windoze fails, BUT there is a solution to f00l windoze ;D you gotta make some mappings to trick windows, and then it works (does for me) alltough i changed to grub add this: map-drive=0x80 to=0x81 map-drive=0x81 to=0x80 and it should work :) Thank you, that helped me finding the answer. I found a way which is a bit easier. So for those of you who want to boot a Windows from LILO on another harddisk, add the following parameter to the windows boot entry: master-boot (a new LILO option, assuming actual LILO being installed) and that's it LILO now virtually makes the bootdisk the primary boot device. Bingo. any ideas how to set this in grub? gabor -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Limiting search for hard drives
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 07:33, Spider wrote: begin quote On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 05:59:12 -0800 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there any simple way to instruct the kernel to limit its boot time search for hard drives to /dev/hda through /dev/hde? I end up with long delay while it waits for no response on the second channel of the second controller. add this to the commandline for your kernel : hdb=ignore hdc=ignore hdd=ignore hdf=ignore after the kernel line in grub, or as append= in lilo //Spider Humm...I still get a long delay as the boot comes back saying: hde: ST380023AS, ATA DISK drive blk: queue c0385a68, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0x) A long delay of about 30-45 seconds here, then: hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) and then it goes on to boot. I tried it both on the line with the kernel command, and on the next line by itself. No difference. hde (and hdf, g h if they existed) is on a Silicon Image SATA controller. This is not a big deal. Just trying to make this machine boot very cleanly and quickly. Thanks, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Limiting search for hard drives
I wonder if you could disable the un-used controllers in the BIOS for the motherboard or the card? Or possibly with jumpers if it's a card. Not sure if that would work or not. Andrew frugal Dacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tildefrugal.net/ - Original Message - From: Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gentoo-User [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Limiting search for hard drives Humm...I still get a long delay as the boot comes back saying: hde: ST380023AS, ATA DISK drive blk: queue c0385a68, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0x) A long delay of about 30-45 seconds here, then: hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) and then it goes on to boot. I tried it both on the line with the kernel command, and on the next line by itself. No difference. hde (and hdf, g h if they existed) is on a Silicon Image SATA controller. This is not a big deal. Just trying to make this machine boot very cleanly and quickly. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Limiting search for hard drives
Do have the driver for the controller compiled in? I am using a sil controller and found that without the driver it got ignored. The delay is the sil bios checking itself for drives, not the kernel (why it takes so long I dont know). I am ignoring an onboard promise controller the same way: not compiling in the driver. BillK On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 00:57, Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 07:33, Spider wrote: begin quote On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 05:59:12 -0800 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there any simple way to instruct the kernel to limit its boot time search for hard drives to /dev/hda through /dev/hde? I end up with long delay while it waits for no response on the second channel of the second controller. add this to the commandline for your kernel : hdb=ignore hdc=ignore hdd=ignore hdf=ignore after the kernel line in grub, or as append= in lilo //Spider Humm...I still get a long delay as the boot comes back saying: hde: ST380023AS, ATA DISK drive blk: queue c0385a68, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0x) A long delay of about 30-45 seconds here, then: hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) and then it goes on to boot. I tried it both on the line with the kernel command, and on the next line by itself. No difference. hde (and hdf, g h if they existed) is on a Silicon Image SATA controller. This is not a big deal. Just trying to make this machine boot very cleanly and quickly. Thanks, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Emerg errors
It segfaults, I can build on P4 workstation without any problems so I suspect that I have a damaged processor or bad memory in the AMD workstation. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 1:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Emerg errors Christopher Johnson wrote: While installing, my build will inevitably die while trying to make binutils. I've tried the 686 and Athlon cd's, changed the settings in make.conf and attempted to start from all three stages (it dies while trying to build X during stage 3). What exactly do you mean by 'dies'? Does it segfault? Do you get a message about an 'Illegal Instruction'? -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: iptables
Brian Doob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, it's getting better, but it still doesn't work. Here's what happens: root # iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -j MASQUERAQDE -s 192.168.1.3/16 /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol nf_unregister_sockopt /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol nf_register_sockopt /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: insmod ip_tables failed iptables v1.2.8: can't initialize iptables table `nat': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. Had the same problem when I first tried to get ip_tables up and running. Some Googling revealed that ip_tables only works if CONFIG_MODVERSIONS isn't set. Weird, huh? -Eamon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Limiting search for hard drives
begin quote On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 08:57:58 -0800 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 07:33, Spider wrote: begin quote On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 05:59:12 -0800 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there any simple way to instruct the kernel to limit its boot time search for hard drives to /dev/hda through /dev/hde? I end up with long delay while it waits for no response on the second channel of the second controller. add this to the commandline for your kernel : hdb=ignore hdc=ignore hdd=ignore hdf=ignore after the kernel line in grub, or as append= in lilo //Spider Humm...I still get a long delay as the boot comes back saying: hde: ST380023AS, ATA DISK drive blk: queue c0385a68, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0x) A long delay of about 30-45 seconds here, then: hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) then add hdg=ignore, as well. //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Limiting search for hard drives
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 09:38, Spider wrote: A long delay of about 30-45 seconds here, then: hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) then add hdg=ignore, as well. //Spider I did that much before I wrote back. It just doesn't seem to be working. title Gentoo Linux 2.4.22-aa1 root (hd0,1) kernel (hd0,1)/boot/bzImage-2.4.22-aa1 ro root=/dev/hde3 ignore=hdg or title Gentoo Linux 2.4.22-aa1 root (hd0,1) kernel (hd0,1)/boot/bzImage-2.4.22-aa1 ro root=/dev/hde3 ignore=hdg Possibly it's some other delay? The last strange message I'm seeing on this box is about some SCSI subystem not being found, even though I've removed all low-level SCSI drivers from the kernel build. Maybe the delay has something to do with that. - Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:36:21 + (UTC) Eamon Caddigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: root # iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -j MASQUERAQDE -s 192.168.1.3/16 /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol nf_unregister_sockopt /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol nf_register_sockopt /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: insmod ip_tables failed iptables v1.2.8: can't initialize iptables table `nat': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. Had the same problem when I first tried to get ip_tables up and running. Some Googling revealed that ip_tables only works if CONFIG_MODVERSIONS isn't set. Weird, huh? I do have CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y set and I do have masquerading up and running on ppp0. Therefor I do think it actually _is_ working together :) Greetings, Dennis -- Dennis Freise [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key fingerprint: 2DE8 CCEF 6E20 11D4 3B27 21EC B0BA 1749 D2C8 38ED Get my public key at : http://www.final-frontier.ath.cx/gpg_public_key.txt pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Limiting search for hard drives
begin quote On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 10:03:39 -0800 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 09:38, Spider wrote: A long delay of about 30-45 seconds here, then: hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) //Spider I did that much before I wrote back. It just doesn't seem to be working. aha, okay title Gentoo Linux 2.4.22-aa1 root (hd0,1) kernel (hd0,1)/boot/bzImage-2.4.22-aa1 ro root=/dev/hde3 ignore=hdg that way, yes. Possibly it's some other delay? The last strange message I'm seeing on this box is about some SCSI subystem not being found, even though I've removed all low-level SCSI drivers from the kernel build. Maybe the delay has something to do with that. I'll look around in bootparams.. ahh, found it! /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ide.txt seems I was misremembering, its not ignore but none hdx= is recognized for all x from a to h, such as hdc. hdx=noprobe : drive may be present, but do not probe for it hdx=none : drive is NOT present, ignore cmos and do not probe idex=noprobe : do not attempt to access/use this interface HTH, //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: iptables
Dennis Freise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Signature=_Sun__9_Nov_2003_19_20_11_+0100_KkMeCY42_=g+UfKT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:36:21 + (UTC) Eamon Caddigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: root # iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -j MASQUERAQDE -s 192.168.1.3/16 /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol nf_unregister_sockopt /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol nf_register_sockopt /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.22-ck1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: insmod ip_tables failed iptables v1.2.8: can't initialize iptables table `nat': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. Had the same problem when I first tried to get ip_tables up and running. Some Googling revealed that ip_tables only works if CONFIG_MODVERSIONS isn't set. Weird, huh? I do have CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y set and I do have masquerading up and running on ppp0. Therefor I do think it actually _is_ working together :) Wow, which kernel version are you running? CONFIG_MODVERSIONS was the only difference between unresolved symbol errors in ip_tables.o and a working setup for me, using gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r8. That kernel is a harsh mistress. -Eamon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:30:08 + (UTC) Eamon Caddigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had the same problem when I first tried to get ip_tables up and running. Some Googling revealed that ip_tables only works if CONFIG_MODVERSIONS isn't set. Weird, huh? I do have CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y set and I do have masquerading up and running on ppp0. Therefor I do think it actually _is_ working together :) Wow, which kernel version are you running? CONFIG_MODVERSIONS was the only difference between unresolved symbol errors in ip_tables.o and a working setup for me, using gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r8. I had a number of kernels with MODVERSIONS and masquerading... I think all vanilla-kernels between 2.4.18 and 2.4.22 - currently I'm running the gs-sources-2.4.23_pre8. I never had problems with MODVERSIONS... That kernel is a harsh mistress. Yes it is :) -- Dennis Freise [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key fingerprint: 2DE8 CCEF 6E20 11D4 3B27 21EC B0BA 1749 D2C8 38ED Get my public key at : http://www.final-frontier.ath.cx/gpg_public_key.txt pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Limiting search for hard drives
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 10:27, Spider wrote: ahh, found it! /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ide.txt seems I was misremembering, its not ignore but none hdx= is recognized for all x from a to h, such as hdc. hdx=noprobe : drive may be present, but do not probe for it hdx=none : drive is NOT present, ignore cmos and do not probe idex=noprobe : do not attempt to access/use this interface HTH, //Spider This worked great. Thanks! I didn't know where to look for that sort of documentation, so I was digging around on gnu.org when your answer came along and saved me some time. Cheers, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Add new user with a specif password in script
Hello. What command(s) should I use in order to add a new user to my system (from a bash script) and specify a default (not null) password for this user? I see that the command useradd does have the -p passwd option, but the passwd should be encrypted, as returned by crypt(3). Then how can I obtain the encrypted password? Any clues? Romildo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] openssl 0.9.7
Halo i have a problem i updated openssl form 0.9.6 = 0.9.7 gnome crashed i found that # revdep-rebuild will help but when i run it there is problem with kde-base, that wants sun-jdk but i have blackdown-jdk. what to do? than ypu ! miks -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting an ISO image problems
On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 06:29:35 -0800, Norbert Kamenicky muttered: - snip - Well, the problem is that you can only mount an image as a user if the image and mountpoint are specified in the fstab. I still don't know why mount (or the kernel or something) can't start allowing mounts of a file readable by a user over a directory the user owns... :-) :-) :-) ... security reason ! If you like to allow your users to mount just anything, (doesn't matter in which dir) it's the same, like give them root password ... never heard about Trojan horse ? :-) PS. it's typical question of people who use windblowz (where security issues were made by diletants, if at all), but know nothing about unix security ... Not a security problem if you require that user loopback mounts be mounted user (like the fstab option). Darwin runs user mounts this way with no resulting security issues. And I haven't used Windows seriously in the last five or six years. -- Andrew Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Add new user with a specif password in script
On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 10:41:30 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] muttered: Hello. What command(s) should I use in order to add a new user to my system (from a bash script) and specify a default (not null) password for this user? I see that the command useradd does have the -p passwd option, but the passwd should be encrypted, as returned by crypt(3). Then how can I obtain the encrypted password? Any clues? Two possible solutions: 1. don't set a password with useradd; just run passwd after adding the user 2. set the password for one user, read the crypted password out of /etc/shadow (as root), then use that as input to useradd -p 3. python script below (call it anything _except_ crypt) #!/usr/bin/python2.2 import crypt, getpass hash = crypt.crypt(getpass.default_getpass(), xy) # salt print Hash:, hash -- Andrew Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] vncserver + gnome setup problem
Hi All, I'm using a GRP 1.4 install, and I did an emerge of tightvnc. When I start a vncserver session and then connect remotely via a vnc client, I always get the typical X gray background as if twm was started. My ~/.vnc/xstartup file just contains #!/bin/sh exec /usr/bin/gnome-session I've read several of the Gentoo tutorials on setting up vnc, but most replies seem to show many people still have this same issue. Any ideas? -Shane _ Send a QuickGreet with MSN Messenger http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_games -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] MozillaFirebird question
Same process, different threads. The memory is shared across the threads so the figures for memory usage look worse than they actually are. It's not a dumb question, it's a dumb threading model, which is why it's been junked in favour of NPTL in the 2,6* kernels... Ben This may be a dumb question, but can someone explain why one instance of MozillaFirebird with only one tab open starts 5 processes each using about 25 megs of ram? 10187 ernie 1525064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:01.93 MozillaFirebird 10190 ernie 1525064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.00 MozillaFirebird 10191 ernie 1525064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.01 MozillaFirebird 10192 ernie 1525064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.00 MozillaFirebird 10193 ernie 1525064 24m 14m S 0.0 4.9 0:00.00 MozillaFirebird Is there a way to see what these extra processes are doing other than killing them one by one? -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
Greetings all, I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I am really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a platform that is optimized for best practices and best tools. However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able to install for the documentation provided. As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans for a more automated install script? Brian Connolly -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able to install for the documentation provided. Brian, I think you don't give yourself enough credit. I'm not all that experienced in Linux, but the Gentoo install instructions really do work Give them a try. Follow them carefully and exactly and you'll most likely end up with a working machine. One warning from my experience. Maybe study the grub part before you start. It's the only thing that I've had trouble with. Good luck, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
if you tried seven distros in the last week, you're not a total beginner... if you follow the documentation, you should be OK, only don't try to go too fast, be patient while the stuff compiles, and avoid having several consoles chrooted in the gentoo install at the same time (believe me, it's not a good idea) Azhdeen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 16:07, brian connolly wrote: I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I am really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a platform that is optimized for best practices and best tools. However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able to install for the documentation provided. As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans for a more automated install script? I don't know if it's meant to be this way, but part of this gentoo philosophy and all is to FORCE you to understand what you're doing. A more automated install script will only help you do one thing: Get Gentoo installed quickly. You won't know how to add users, set the clock, use pipe commands, and so on. With that, there are in progress install instructions that might be better than the ones currently published on Gentoo's website. I myself have minor complaints with them, mainly the way the different stageX installs and GRP installs are mixed together. I've been lucky over the years, I think. Red Hat 5 took me (2) tries. An upgrade to 5.1 as well as a few installs of Mandrake and finally Debian all succeeded on their 1st tries. With Gentoo, it took (3) tries. :-) Do you have a Linux User's group around you ?? Or a friend who's competent in Linux ?? If so, ask for help from them. Even if it's just someone to watch over your shoulder while YOU do the actual work. If someone else does it while you watch, you may as well have bought the PC with Gentoo pre-installed. IMO, you'll learn NOTHING that way. Good luck Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 16:31, Azhdeen wrote: if you tried seven distros in the last week, you're not a total beginner... Nothing against the original poster, but if one tries (7) distros in one week, how much time can possibly be spent with each one ?? Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 21:07, brian connolly wrote: Greetings all, I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I am really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a platform that is optimized for best practices and best tools. However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able to install for the documentation provided. As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans for a more automated install script? Brian Connolly As others have suggested, you should probably force yourself to learn, but you might like to take a look at the Gentoo Linux Install Script at http://glis.sf.net. -- Tom Wesley signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] Re: Xscreensaver
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:52:27 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: XScreensaver always accepts the root password regardless of who is logged in so that root can always access the machine. Take the case where VTSwitching and killing of the XServer are disabled, root can only gain access to the machine by getting passed the screensaver. It also seems to accept passwords for the user account that have existed since you last restarted the daemon (ie, if you use passwd until xscreensaver is restarted, you can still unlock it with the old password). FWIW, the new GLMatrix module is the dogs nads. (It's not in the current stable build, you need .15 or later IIRC.) -- This line intentionally left blank. 22:38:28 up 18 days, 2:49, 2 users, load average: 0.11, 0.10, 0.03 RX bytes:3438696909 (3279.3 Mb) TX bytes:2146944928 (2047.4 Mb) E-mail address munged to prevent spam. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] openssl 0.9.7
Halo i have a problem i updated openssl form 0.9.6 = 0.9.7 gnome crashed i found that # revdep-rebuild will help but when i run it there is problem with kde-base, that wants sun-jdk but i have blackdown-jdk. what to do? than ypu ! miks Perhaps injecting sun-jdk will do the trick: % emerge -i sun-jdk -jrh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
Tom, Ya think someone might write an IS-GLIS? This is how dumb I am... how do you install the Gentoo install script? Download the latest release... got it. Extract by typing the following: tar xvjpf glis*.tar.bz2 when, where? Run ./glis for directions what? Brian -Original Message- From: Tom Wesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 21:07, brian connolly wrote: Greetings all, I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I am really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a platform that is optimized for best practices and best tools. However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able to install for the documentation provided. As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans for a more automated install script? Brian Connolly As others have suggested, you should probably force yourself to learn, but you might like to take a look at the Gentoo Linux Install Script at http://glis.sf.net. -- Tom Wesley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
On Sunday 09 November 2003 23:31, Tom Wesley wrote: As others have suggested, you should probably force yourself to learn, but you might like to take a look at the Gentoo Linux Install Script at http://glis.sf.net. i didn't know this script existed, but my choosing Gentoo was (partly) to understand better the way Linux works, and that isn't done by using another automated installer, right ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 22:54, Azhdeen wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 23:31, Tom Wesley wrote: As others have suggested, you should probably force yourself to learn, but you might like to take a look at the Gentoo Linux Install Script at http://glis.sf.net. i didn't know this script existed, but my choosing Gentoo was (partly) to understand better the way Linux works, and that isn't done by using another automated installer, right ? Depends if you read and understand how the installer does what it does or not ;-) -- Tom Wesley signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 17:47, brian connolly wrote: Tom, Ya think someone might write an IS-GLIS? This is how dumb I am... how do you install the Gentoo install script? Download the latest release... got it. Extract by typing the following: tar xvjpf glis*.tar.bz2 when, where? Run ./glis for directions what? Brian Perhaps instead of something for dummies, it would be better for you to read the Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz software explanation: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/node27.html.gz -- Phil Our 2nd CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/naomisfancy Naomi's Fancy performances: http://naomisfancy.virtualave.net/schedule.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
On Sunday 09 November 2003 23:58, Tom Wesley wrote: Depends if you read and understand how the installer does what it does or not ;-) the idea with Gentoo is that I play the installer, no ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 09 November 2003 23:05, Azhdeen wrote: the idea with Gentoo is that I play the installer, no ? Nope, the idea with Gentoo is a distribution which gives you the tools to do what you want. Attached is a posting from Daniel Robbins which should clarify. - -- Mike Williams -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rsvTInuLMrk7bIwRAmOXAJ4lDDXb5lNrKvKrPb9WvxBJtCqLywCffmf+ MTus1O0RclUu0eI99HpRWlI= =wpRP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---BeginMessage--- I should have posted this to gentoo-dev in the first place (was posted to -core,) so here goes... On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:12, Sven Vermeulen wrote: Don't take this personally, but - just to make my mind clear - can't we (well, Gentoo that is) make a statement on what we want to achieve? I'll try to spell it out for you with a bit of Gentoo history. I created Gentoo because I couldn't find a Linux distribution that I liked. The one predominant thing that I experienced with Linux distributions is that the distro tools that managed the entire system -- the tools that were supposed to make everything *easier* to use -- really seemed to want a lot of attention and really got in the way of what I wanted to do. I wanted to tell *them* what I wanted to do, but they seemed more interested in telling *me* what *they* wanted me to do. So, I created Gentoo Linux, and designed Portage to be a more perfect tool than what had existed before it. To do this, I made it very flexible in allowing me to do what I wanted to do, and also tried to make it flexible to allow others to do what I thought they might want to do. If others wanted to see how a package got built, they could look at a relatively easy-to-understand ebuild file and learn from it. If they wanted to tweak how it got built, they took advantage of USE variables. If they wanted to add a package, they created a new ebuild for the tree. If they wanted to use a package, they simply emerged it and dependencies were automatically resolved. People liked the Portage concept, and Gentoo Linux grew rapidly. We have become known as a from source distribution, but the heart of the Gentoo concept is not from source. From source is an important and key aspect of Gentoo, and something that was and will continue to be necessary for Gentoo, but it is not the only issue or most fundamental issue. The most fundamental issue is designing a technology that allows us and others to do what they want to do, without restriction. To summarize the heart of Gentoo, imagine a user sitting in front of a Linux system. What does he or she want do to? The Gentoo philosophy is to allow this user to do what he or she wants to do, without getting in the way. At around the time Gentoo was born, the thing that got in the way was the lack of an easy way to build packages from source, to a user's specifications. Currently, we've done that very well, but what we haven't done very well is support pre-built packages, even though Portage has supported building binary packages almost since its inception. So we are doing that now. It's important that our tools support binary packages, because binary packages are widely used and widely in demand in the Linux community. If our tools don't support binary packages, then we can't claim that our tools are designed to allow a user to do anything he or she might want to do. If we purposely choose to exclude binary support, then we are attempting to interfere with how users might choose to approach particular problems, by instead imposing our own will or view of how they should approach a problem. And if we do not build binary packages, then we are not taking any steps to ensure that our tools actually work well with binary packages, nor are we taking steps to ensure that others can build binary packages, nor are we able to *demonstrate* that our tools work well with binary packages. Besides these philisophical reasons, there are many practical reasons to create binary packages. The Gentoo philosophy, in a paragraph, is this. Every user has work they need to do. The goal of Gentoo is to design tools and systems that allow a user to do their work pleasantly and efficiently as possible, as *they* see fit. Our tools should be a joy to use, and should help the user to appreciate the richness of the Linux and free software community, and the flexibility of free software. This is only possible when the tool is designed to reflect and transmit the will of the user, and leave the possibilities open as to the final form of the raw materials (the source code.) If the tool forces the user to do things a particular way, then the tool is working against, rather than for, the user. We have all experienced situations where tools seem to be imposing their respective wills on us. This is backwards, and contrary to the Gentoo philosophy. Put another way, the Gentoo philosophy is to create better tools. When a tool is doing its job
[gentoo-user] Querying the Portage database
I'm new to Gentoo (switching from RH9) and have become used to RPMs and their query tools. I've been looking for a way to query the Portage database to determine what's installed and get general info regarding the packages--I'm looking for something similar to rpm -qa. At the end of this section--http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/portage-manual.xml#doc_chap3--in the Portage user manual it indicates that there's an app-admin/gentoolkit to assist with Portage queries. I have yet to find this package or a way to query the Portage database. Can anyone direct me to the package or tools that I need in order to do this? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Querying the Portage database
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 23:23, Thomas Smith wrote: I'm new to Gentoo (switching from RH9) and have become used to RPMs and their query tools. I've been looking for a way to query the Portage database to determine what's installed and get general info regarding the packages--I'm looking for something similar to rpm -qa. At the end of this section--http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/portage-manual.xml#doc_chap3--in the Portage user manual it indicates that there's an app-admin/gentoolkit to assist with Portage queries. I have yet to find this package or a way to query the Portage database. Can anyone direct me to the package or tools that I need in order to do this? The emerge command is what you're after. emerge -s term will search for term in the package database. When you are familiar you might like to: emerge gentoolkit emerge esearch for some extra tools. -- Tom Wesley signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Querying the Portage database
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 18:23, Thomas Smith wrote: I'm new to Gentoo (switching from RH9) and have become used to RPMs and their query tools. I've been looking for a way to query the Portage database to determine what's installed and get general info regarding the packages--I'm looking for something similar to rpm -qa. At the end of this section--http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/portage-manual.xml#doc_chap3--in the Portage user manual it indicates that there's an app-admin/gentoolkit to assist with Portage queries. I have yet to find this package or a way to query the Portage database. Can anyone direct me to the package or tools that I need in order to do this? The best you'll get is the 'qpkg' program. Running qpkg by itself is supposed to return installed packages, but it appears to list everything in the portage database. Packages you have installed are marked with an *. Problem is, my limited knowledge of 'grep' doesn't allow me to filter those items marked that way... Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] vncserver + gnome setup problem
Hi All, I'm using a GRP 1.4 install, and I did an emerge of tightvnc. When I start a vncserver session and then connect remotely via a vnc client, I always get the typical X gray background as if twm was started. My ~/.vnc/xstartup file just contains #!/bin/sh exec /usr/bin/gnome-session I've read several of the Gentoo tutorials on setting up vnc, but most replies seem to show many people still have this same issue. Any ideas? -Shane Here's a script that's always worked for me: --- $HOME/.vnc/xstartup --- #!/bin/bash --login if [ -f $HOME/.Xresources ]; then /usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb -display $DISPLAY -load $HOME/.Xresources fi /usr/X11R6/bin/xhost +LOCAL: /usr/bin/gnome-session -display $DISPLAY 2.xsession-errors - Just fire up vncserver and you should be able to connect. -jrh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Querying the Portage database
Thomas Smith wrote: I'm new to Gentoo (switching from RH9) and have become used to RPMs and their query tools. I've been looking for a way to query the Portage database to determine what's installed and get general info regarding the packages--I'm looking for something similar to rpm -qa. qpkg -nc -I | sed 's/-[0-9].*//g' | sort | uniq At the end of this section--http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/portage-manual.xml#doc_chap3--in the Portage user manual it indicates that there's an app-admin/gentoolkit to assist with Portage queries. I have yet to find this package or a way to query the Portage database. emerge gentookit qpkg --help Can anyone direct me to the package or tools that I need in order to do this? have fun henti -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Querying the Portage database
Hall Stevenson wrote: The best you'll get is the 'qpkg' program. Running qpkg by itself is supposed to return installed packages, but it appears to list everything in the portage database. Packages you have installed are marked with an *. Problem is, my limited knowledge of 'grep' doesn't allow me to filter those items marked that way... Maybe you should try -I option ? #qpkg --help (...) In section Package Selection: -I, --installed Include only installed packages (...) -- Jiim -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] RE: GLIS for dummies
Maybe a more basic question: I've got the latest live CD and GLIS... what do I do? Regards, Brian -Original Message- From: brian connolly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:47 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: GLIS for dummies Tom, Ya think someone might write an IS-GLIS? This is how dumb I am... how do you install the Gentoo install script? Download the latest release... got it. Extract by typing the following: tar xvjpf glis*.tar.bz2 when, where? Run ./glis for directions what? Brian -Original Message- From: Tom Wesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 21:07, brian connolly wrote: Greetings all, I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I am really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a platform that is optimized for best practices and best tools. However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able to install for the documentation provided. As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans for a more automated install script? Brian Connolly As others have suggested, you should probably force yourself to learn, but you might like to take a look at the Gentoo Linux Install Script at http://glis.sf.net. -- Tom Wesley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
GLIS was recently re-written to clean up the code and include a lot of bug fixes. Right now, I'm working on a GUI for GLIS, but it will be a while before its usable. At the moment, GLIS is more for people who have already installed Gentoo and know what they are doing, who just want to automate the install. brian connolly wrote: Tom, Ya think someone might write an IS-GLIS? This is how dumb I am... how do you install the Gentoo install script? Download the latest release... got it. Extract by typing the following: tar xvjpf glis*.tar.bz2 when, where? Run ./glis for directions what? Brian -Original Message- From: Tom Wesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 21:07, brian connolly wrote: Greetings all, I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I am really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a platform that is optimized for best practices and best tools. However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able to install for the documentation provided. As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans for a more automated install script? Brian Connolly As others have suggested, you should probably force yourself to learn, but you might like to take a look at the Gentoo Linux Install Script at http://glis.sf.net. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.2.0 beta and XMMS problems
Did you recompile xmms after you emerged kde? I'd do it unless you run xmms with output plugin alsa. If xmms still doesn't work with arts output , after recompiling xmms, then I'd file a bugreport. - Original Message - From: Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.2.0 beta and XMMS problems Anyone else having problems running XMMS under the new KDE beta? It totally locks up the desktop here when trying to play mp3's through the arts plugin. Tried re-emerging all related components to o avail... MPG123 or MPG321 both still work, if only I could find a decent GUI/Frontend for them. Cheers. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 11:16am up 39 days, 16:09, 7 users, load average: 0.02, 0.06, 0.01 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] A hardware related question (does my laptop have AGP?)
Hi, Thanks for you all the kindly reply :) On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 01:36, Matt Chorman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 07 November 2003 01:28 am, Zarick Lau wrote: Hi, I have a question regarding my laptop, I'd try to config the DRI stuff on my lovely laptop, but how can I know that, whether the box has AGP or not? From the manufacture spec : the display chip is ATI Rage Mobility-M (4MB SDRAM built-in) From kernel message (2.4.22-ck) (I do grep ati /proc/pci) VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 100) But from dmesg, I got: Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 149M agpgart: no supported devices found. Btw, does agpgart refers to AGP support? And my question is simple, does my laptop have AGP? Or I need to do some more in order to determine that? the agpgart error you are receiving means that there is support compiled into your kernel, but it is not finding any support agp devices. This means that either the wrong support is compiled in, or you have no agp card. Judging by the age of your device (RAGE) I would assume that no, you do not have agp support. But it is best to read your documentation for your hardware (you did not tell us what it is) and find out for yourself. Right, sorry for not posting the hw config ~ My box is laptop from mitac (M722), the config is PIII 650 / 192Mb / 20GB, Intel 440MX and ATI Rage Mobility-M (4Mb) I also suspect that the laptop doesn't support AGP at all, as it is already 3 yrs old now - -- Matt http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7D81740A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/q9g8ZosHVX2BdAoRAn89AJ9+9GfR72Crq0RiJ1FngNpUEISvJgCfUihT luBpHcoyYBUj/bvE/Ar/v00= =Fq39 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Thanks Zarick Lau -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
Sounds about right to me. brian connolly wrote: In other words To summarize the heart of Gentoo, imagine a user sitting in front of a Linux system. What does he or she want do to? The Gentoo philosophy is to allow this user to do what he or she wants to do, without getting in the way. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies GLIS was recently re-written to clean up the code and include a lot of bug fixes. Right now, I'm working on a GUI for GLIS, but it will be a while before its usable. At the moment, GLIS is more for people who have already installed Gentoo and know what they are doing, who just want to automate the install. brian connolly wrote: Tom, Ya think someone might write an IS-GLIS? This is how dumb I am... how do you install the Gentoo install script? Download the latest release... got it. Extract by typing the following: tar xvjpf glis*.tar.bz2 when, where? Run ./glis for directions what? Brian -Original Message- From: Tom Wesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 21:07, brian connolly wrote: Greetings all, I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I am really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a platform that is optimized for best practices and best tools. However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able to install for the documentation provided. As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans for a more automated install script? Brian Connolly As others have suggested, you should probably force yourself to learn, but you might like to take a look at the Gentoo Linux Install Script at http://glis.sf.net. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
I think if you look carefully you'll find that these fancy GUI installers and sysadmin tools really don't help you any. I've used them on some other distros and found that I didn't have to have any knowledge of what was happening - I just pointed and clicked and hoped it worked. When it didn't I was in trouble - and many times the GUI didn't work. I decided not to use the GUI but find out how to do it and I've learned a lot - more so than if I'd stuck with the GUIs. The Gentoo philosophy is to let you do what you need, It takes an investment of time and effort to learn any OS - even Windows - and if a person is not willing to make that investment then they need to stick with the systems that provide the GUIs and not complain about Gentoo but they will be shortchanging themeselves. On Sunday 09 November 2003 20:50, you wrote: Yeah, I guess, if you like irony. Here's a rewrite to the Sven's philospohy: To summarize the heart of Gentoo, imagine a user sitting in front of a Linux system. He or she would love to try Gentoo. But the Gentoo philosophy is to frustrate this user with a lot of cryptic technical machinations. Then, as they go away, we will be able to think of ourselves as exclusive and pretty smart. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies Sounds about right to me. brian connolly wrote: In other words To summarize the heart of Gentoo, imagine a user sitting in front of a Linux system. What does he or she want do to? The Gentoo philosophy is to allow this user to do what he or she wants to do, without getting in the way. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies GLIS was recently re-written to clean up the code and include a lot of bug fixes. Right now, I'm working on a GUI for GLIS, but it will be a while before its usable. At the moment, GLIS is more for people who have already installed Gentoo and know what they are doing, who just want to automate the install. brian connolly wrote: Tom, Ya think someone might write an IS-GLIS? This is how dumb I am... how do you install the Gentoo install script? Download the latest release... got it. Extract by typing the following: tar xvjpf glis*.tar.bz2 when, where? Run ./glis for directions what? Brian -Original Message- From: Tom Wesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 21:07, brian connolly wrote: Greetings all, I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I am really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a platform that is optimized for best practices and best tools. However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able to install for the documentation provided. As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans for a more automated install script? Brian Connolly As others have suggested, you should probably force yourself to learn, but you might like to take a look at the Gentoo Linux Install Script at http://glis.sf.net. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Netscape-Navigator - emerge or download
Hi, I'm trying to find a good multimedia setup for this PC I'm building for my dad. Alsa is installed and working fine, as is Mozilla, but there are a lot of data types that aren't getting played by Plugger-4.0. Fredrik's page says to check problems with Netscape first before reporting a bug, so I started looking at trying out Navigator, but what I find is that emerge has version 4.79-r1, while the Netscape download page has version 7.1. Why are these revisions so different? Is it significantly more than a numbering change? Do Navigator users have an opinion about which would be better for a new user? Thanks, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] [OT] JUNK! RE: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
99% of Your emails consist the previous one(s). THIS IS JUNK!! If everything what You want to say is in the 3-4 lines of new text, for what do You need the rest?? It's unreadable for me! Though my english isn't perfect, I really understand what I need and/or want - except emails like this with subject [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies ... Attach only what You need to attach - the rest is useless! Every emails are on the mail servers!!! The search engine really works and is quite easy!!! Regards, Przemek PS. Sorry for my english! -- Email:pmaciag(at)inx.pm.waw.pl | Email:troll(at)trollmoors.dyndns.org Reg Linux User#: 303556 JID#: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JID#: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] gdm login failure
Hello everyone, Due to some reason i can no longer login (X); the login manager says my session lasted no longer than 10 seconds, talking about missing logoff or system installation problem. Login doesn't work either with root or my user account, so my box is locked after running gdm and i need to hard-reset every time after trying something new... :( Any ideas ? Maybe file permission bits in prefs files within the user's home directory ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] problems with vga during boot
Hi everyone, Gotta problem with vga settings (LILO); after changing vga mode to 1024x768 or 800x600, LILO appears. After boot selection, the screen turns black, game over. Probably a kernel config issue ? System: AthlonXP on ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe Graphics: GeForce4 TI-4200 Kernel: gentoo-sources (self-compiled) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gdm login failure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 09 November 2003 06:54 pm, Oliver Lange wrote: Hello everyone, Due to some reason i can no longer login (X); the login manager says my session lasted no longer than 10 seconds, talking about missing logoff or system installation problem. Login doesn't work either with root or my user account, so my box is locked after running gdm and i need to hard-reset every time after trying something new... :( Any ideas ? Maybe file permission bits in prefs files within the user's home directory ? You should be able to switch out of X with a CTRL-ALT-F1. Then it's simply a matter of killall gdm as root. If you can't login as root I doubt it's a configuration problem - then again, root probably isn't allowed to login to X (unless you configured it that way.) What DE are you trying to open? KDE, Gnome? Check the error logs... - -- Matt http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7D81740A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rv/oZosHVX2BdAoRAoeqAJ9j+L40c14XBZzVPWKkG/61KHp1pwCfW7gu /G+TnB8x1lc7Oi+hJhv27VI= =Edf0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
Bottom line: Gentoo's reputation is good... but definitely hampered by what is generally regarded as a difficult install. You know that. Now rather than do something, per se, the typical OS dev will point to various reference material to learn. They'll talk about how that's a good thing. They'll want the users to share in and relish their hobby. Excuse me... this isn't a hobby for me. I want to minimize the learning curve so as to use it (reread Gentoo's philosophy). Bottom line: the install is difficult, and unnecessarily so. -Original Message- From: Brett I. Holcomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies I think if you look carefully you'll find that these fancy GUI installers and sysadmin tools really don't help you any. I've used them on some other distros and found that I didn't have to have any knowledge of what was happening - I just pointed and clicked and hoped it worked. When it didn't I was in trouble - and many times the GUI didn't work. I decided not to use the GUI but find out how to do it and I've learned a lot - more so than if I'd stuck with the GUIs. The Gentoo philosophy is to let you do what you need, It takes an investment of time and effort to learn any OS - even Windows - and if a person is not willing to make that investment then they need to stick with the systems that provide the GUIs and not complain about Gentoo but they will be shortchanging themeselves. On Sunday 09 November 2003 20:50, you wrote: Yeah, I guess, if you like irony. Here's a rewrite to the Sven's philospohy: To summarize the heart of Gentoo, imagine a user sitting in front of a Linux system. He or she would love to try Gentoo. But the Gentoo philosophy is to frustrate this user with a lot of cryptic technical machinations. Then, as they go away, we will be able to think of ourselves as exclusive and pretty smart. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies Sounds about right to me. brian connolly wrote: In other words To summarize the heart of Gentoo, imagine a user sitting in front of a Linux system. What does he or she want do to? The Gentoo philosophy is to allow this user to do what he or she wants to do, without getting in the way. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies GLIS was recently re-written to clean up the code and include a lot of bug fixes. Right now, I'm working on a GUI for GLIS, but it will be a while before its usable. At the moment, GLIS is more for people who have already installed Gentoo and know what they are doing, who just want to automate the install. brian connolly wrote: Tom, Ya think someone might write an IS-GLIS? This is how dumb I am... how do you install the Gentoo install script? Download the latest release... got it. Extract by typing the following: tar xvjpf glis*.tar.bz2 when, where? Run ./glis for directions what? Brian -Original Message- From: Tom Wesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 21:07, brian connolly wrote: Greetings all, I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I am really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a platform that is optimized for best practices and best tools. However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able to install for the documentation provided. As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans for a more automated install script? Brian Connolly As others have suggested, you should probably force yourself to learn, but you might like to take a look at the Gentoo Linux Install Script at http://glis.sf.net. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems with vga during boot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 09 November 2003 07:00 pm, Oliver Lange wrote: Hi everyone, Gotta problem with vga settings (LILO); after changing vga mode to 1024x768 or 800x600, LILO appears. After boot selection, the screen turns black, game over. Probably a kernel config issue ? System: AthlonXP on ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe Graphics: GeForce4 TI-4200 Kernel: gentoo-sources (self-compiled) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list What vga line (size) are you passing on to the kernel? Have you tried disabling acpi? - -- Matt http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7D81740A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rwGxZosHVX2BdAoRApJgAJ9CrodRhcLz0CqXtefPR9ehX5xmcwCfcX9Z A5kJwMksAyNDhhllzup5QnI= =38z+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
On 11/9/03 10:08 PM, brian connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bottom line: Gentoo's reputation is good... but definitely hampered by what is generally regarded as a difficult install. You know that. Now rather than do something, per se, the typical OS dev will point to various reference material to learn. They'll talk about how that's a good thing. They'll want the users to share in and relish their hobby. Excuse me... this isn't a hobby for me. I want to minimize the learning curve so as to use it (reread Gentoo's philosophy). Bottom line: the install is difficult, and unnecessarily so. Agreed. I am the original writer of GLIS. We now have a team of developers and we are working VERY hard on getting a great installer for gentoo. However, this will take time. Really, GLIS at this stage is just a difficult to use script. However, it is the backend (read building block) of some great easy to use installers. I hear your frustration and all I can say is be patient. Better things are coming, but we can only work so fast. Now, if we were paid... ;) JK! Nathaniel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Netscape-Navigator - emerge or download
Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I'm trying to find a good multimedia setup for this PC I'm building for my dad. Alsa is installed and working fine, as is Mozilla, but there are a lot of data types that aren't getting played by Plugger-4.0. Fredrik's page says to check problems with Netscape first before reporting a bug, so I started looking at trying out Navigator, but what I find is that emerge has version 4.79-r1, while the Netscape download page has version 7.1. Why are these revisions so different? Is it significantly more than a numbering change? Netscape 7.1 is nothing more than a repackaged Mozilla 1.2. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gdm login failure
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:02:58 -0800, Matt Chorman wrote: If you can't login as root I doubt it's a configuration problem - then again, root probably isn't allowed to login to X (unless you configured it that way.) What DE are you trying to open? KDE, Gnome? Check the error logs... Gnome/gdm Addendum: i can create a new user and login with that account, but not as root or using my standard user account. A relogin with the new dummy account was also successful. Any attempt to use root or my user accound end up with that session lasts less than 10 sek. errmsg. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
On Monday 10 November 2003 12:08, brian connolly wrote: Bottom line: Gentoo's reputation is good... but definitely hampered by what is generally regarded as a difficult install. You know that. Now rather than do something, per se, the typical OS dev will point to various reference material to learn. They'll talk about how that's a good thing. They'll want the users to share in and relish their hobby. Excuse me... this isn't a hobby for me. I want to minimize the learning curve so as to use it (reread Gentoo's philosophy). Bottom line: the install is difficult, and unnecessarily so. Disagreed. The install isn't difficult; it's just that there are at least 4 different methods of installation interleaved in to the one document. The basic stage 1 install goes: 1) Set up networking 2) Set up partitions 3) Extract stage1 tarball 4) Chroot 5) Run bootstrap.pl 6) emerge system 7) emerge kernel 8) compile kernel 8) emerge syslog 9) emerge cron 10) emerge lilo/grub And that's the hardest of the lot! I'm not saying GLIS is a bad thing. A lot of users are scared of a console. Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
Jason, From a business perspective... you've just set up 10 possible hurdles to lose users and patrons. If it were Vegas, that'd be that game no one played. Now let me clarify; I say business perspective, not to be confused necessarily with revenue, because in the end user relevance is essential to vitality and growth of any OS project. Brian Connolly -Original Message- From: Jason Stubbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies On Monday 10 November 2003 12:08, brian connolly wrote: Bottom line: Gentoo's reputation is good... but definitely hampered by what is generally regarded as a difficult install. You know that. Now rather than do something, per se, the typical OS dev will point to various reference material to learn. They'll talk about how that's a good thing. They'll want the users to share in and relish their hobby. Excuse me... this isn't a hobby for me. I want to minimize the learning curve so as to use it (reread Gentoo's philosophy). Bottom line: the install is difficult, and unnecessarily so. Disagreed. The install isn't difficult; it's just that there are at least 4 different methods of installation interleaved in to the one document. The basic stage 1 install goes: 1) Set up networking 2) Set up partitions 3) Extract stage1 tarball 4) Chroot 5) Run bootstrap.pl 6) emerge system 7) emerge kernel 8) compile kernel 8) emerge syslog 9) emerge cron 10) emerge lilo/grub And that's the hardest of the lot! I'm not saying GLIS is a bad thing. A lot of users are scared of a console. Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
Gentoo was chosen for me and a few others I know because of the install choices and procedures and as a test. Now that I have been using Gentoo for a few months I can honestly say that I have not found a better OS tothis date. Personally I loved the install, it was fun, informative, interesting and challenging. just my $.02 On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:47 pm, brian connolly wrote: Jason, From a business perspective... you've just set up 10 possible hurdles to lose users and patrons. If it were Vegas, that'd be that game no one played. Now let me clarify; I say business perspective, not to be confused necessarily with revenue, because in the end user relevance is essential to vitality and growth of any OS project. Brian Connolly -Original Message- From: Jason Stubbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies On Monday 10 November 2003 12:08, brian connolly wrote: Bottom line: Gentoo's reputation is good... but definitely hampered by what is generally regarded as a difficult install. You know that. Now rather than do something, per se, the typical OS dev will point to various reference material to learn. They'll talk about how that's a good thing. They'll want the users to share in and relish their hobby. Excuse me... this isn't a hobby for me. I want to minimize the learning curve so as to use it (reread Gentoo's philosophy). Bottom line: the install is difficult, and unnecessarily so. Disagreed. The install isn't difficult; it's just that there are at least 4 different methods of installation interleaved in to the one document. The basic stage 1 install goes: 1) Set up networking 2) Set up partitions 3) Extract stage1 tarball 4) Chroot 5) Run bootstrap.pl 6) emerge system 7) emerge kernel 8) compile kernel 8) emerge syslog 9) emerge cron 10) emerge lilo/grub And that's the hardest of the lot! I'm not saying GLIS is a bad thing. A lot of users are scared of a console. Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Science is an atempt to investegate the mirical of life. The Martian Chronicles -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I broke my emerge somehow
On Nov 8, 2003, at 12:54 AM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: Hi All I seem to have broken my emerge. Anything I try and emerge gets a connection timeout and this happens on every host it tries, not just one. I can ssh out of my machine and I can ping the host it is trying to download from. I don't know what I broke... This is new to me (just started using gentoo this week) so some hints on where to look would be appreciated. wget hangs up though I can do other things like ssh and stuff. Here is a wget to a local machine on the LAN: bash-2.05b# wget -d http://www.shire.net DEBUG output created by Wget 1.8.2 on linux-gnu. --21:01:49-- http://www.shire.net/ = `index.html' Resolving www.shire.net... done. Caching www.shire.net = 206.71.64.139 Connecting to www.shire.net[206.71.64.139]:80... It just hangs up there. Any ideas on what could be the issue? It happens to any host I try and connect with... Chad Thanks Chad -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
Actually, no I don't know that. I found the instructions good and usuable - I followed them and it worked. I use it, too as do most of us. I don't know what typical OS you used but on Windows, VMS, Unix, Linux I found books to read and asked about other sources of info to help me administer them - even on Windows which installs easily but when you have to administer or maintain it it is no different. If you're running a business you have two choices 1 do it yourself and spend the time to learn - even with windows. No matter what OS you are going to have to learn it if you run your business on it. 2 hire somebody to do it. In this case you don't have to worry about learning it. However, if you're going to do this I'd make sure they used Linux to setup my business systems. If you have specific suggestions file bugs on bugzilla. I know they would be gladd to hear them. Tell them where you found it diffcult or hard to understand. It may be also that Gentoo isn't for you - get RH or another distro. With RH you'll have to learn it to or buy the Enterprise and pay for support. On Sunday 09 November 2003 22:08, you wrote: Bottom line: Gentoo's reputation is good... but definitely hampered by what is generally regarded as a difficult install. You know that. Now rather than do something, per se, the typical OS dev will point to various reference material to learn. They'll talk about how that's a good thing. They'll want the users to share in and relish their hobby. Excuse me... this isn't a hobby for me. I want to minimize the learning curve so as to use it (reread Gentoo's philosophy). Bottom line: the install is difficult, and unnecessarily so. -Original Message- From: Brett I. Holcomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies I think if you look carefully you'll find that these fancy GUI installers and sysadmin tools really don't help you any. I've used them on some other distros and found that I didn't have to have any knowledge of what was happening - I just pointed and clicked and hoped it worked. When it didn't I was in trouble - and many times the GUI didn't work. I decided not to use the GUI but find out how to do it and I've learned a lot - more so than if I'd stuck with the GUIs. The Gentoo philosophy is to let you do what you need, It takes an investment of time and effort to learn any OS - even Windows - and if a person is not willing to make that investment then they need to stick with the systems that provide the GUIs and not complain about Gentoo but they will be shortchanging themeselves. On Sunday 09 November 2003 20:50, you wrote: Yeah, I guess, if you like irony. Here's a rewrite to the Sven's philospohy: To summarize the heart of Gentoo, imagine a user sitting in front of a Linux system. He or she would love to try Gentoo. But the Gentoo philosophy is to frustrate this user with a lot of cryptic technical machinations. Then, as they go away, we will be able to think of ourselves as exclusive and pretty smart. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies Sounds about right to me. brian connolly wrote: In other words To summarize the heart of Gentoo, imagine a user sitting in front of a Linux system. What does he or she want do to? The Gentoo philosophy is to allow this user to do what he or she wants to do, without getting in the way. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies GLIS was recently re-written to clean up the code and include a lot of bug fixes. Right now, I'm working on a GUI for GLIS, but it will be a while before its usable. At the moment, GLIS is more for people who have already installed Gentoo and know what they are doing, who just want to automate the install. brian connolly wrote: Tom, Ya think someone might write an IS-GLIS? This is how dumb I am... how do you install the Gentoo install script? Download the latest release... got it. Extract by typing the following: tar xvjpf glis*.tar.bz2 when, where? Run ./glis for directions what? Brian -Original Message- From: Tom Wesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 21:07, brian connolly wrote: Greetings all, I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I am really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a platform that is optimized
[gentoo-user] Masked package when upgrading world
I have only two masked packages installed, but they're causing me trouble when updating world. I'm using Tcl and Tk 8.4.4, and the following happens: -- begin: emerge -pvUD world --upgradeonly implies --update... adding --update to options. These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies - !!! all ebuilds that could satisfy =dev-lang/tcl-8.4.4* have been masked. !!!(dependency required by dev-lang/tk-8.4.4 [ebuild]) !!! Problem with ebuild sys-apps/man-pages-1.60 !!! Possibly a DEPEND/*DEPEND problem. !!! Depgraph creation failed. -- end I haven't dug too deep; I wouldn't know how to address a DEPEND/*DEPEND problem. Is there a workaround for this? Thanks, Eamon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 10:07, brian connolly wrote: As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans for a more automated install script? Brian Connolly I know what you mean. Much of the documentation assumes you have a background in PCs and can understand what is being said. likelanguage relating to the hard drive and networking and video drivers and the kernel / module relationship. There are probably dozens of assumptions in there - obvious as the nose on your face to people who already know them. :-) Following the instructions by rote will work some of the timeif your hardware matches the assumptions in the instructions. You really have two choices: 1. Be patient. Read the doocumentation first. Flag any issues that make you think What?!...and come here and ask a related question. This will be slowbut you will get there. Patience and adequate rest will be important. :-) 2. Use another distro until you've picked up the PC and Linux skills - and come back. The risk here is that the other distro might mean you never really need to know some of this. That doens't matter unless you want to get into Linux in more detail - andhave more control. The thing I always try to remember about Linux is that it has developed the way it has in order to give guys like you and me the chance to learn how to do this stuff ourselves...and be independent from the choices others make on our behalf as the defaults. I try to honour that philosophy by learning a little more every day - or weekand slowly getting to place where I know a lot. I try to be like the drops of water eventually wearing away the stone So whichever way you go, stick with itand remember Rome wasn't built in a day. -- Steve Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems with vga during boot
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:10:39 -0800, Matt Chorman wrote: What vga line (size) are you passing on to the kernel? Have you tried disabling acpi? Well ACPI is at least disabled in the kernel config. I've tried vga = 791 for 1024x768 - 16 and some other modes shown in the table in the install guide, but none worked. I tried vga = ask, the modes the kernel suggested worked, but the font looked ugly and after loading the default font while booting, the console layout changed and some colored text appeared in strikeout mode... I'd like to boot in the same mode than the gentoo boot CDs do... looks like 1024x768, or at least 800x600 - how are they doing this ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
The Gentoo is difficult thing has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time, so please excuse the lengthy reply... None of this is intended as flame, merely as an opposing viewpoint. On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:47:37 -0600 brian connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | From a business perspective... you've just set up 10 possible hurdles | to lose users and patrons. If it were Vegas, that'd be that game no | one played. On the other hand, by removing those steps, you're removing ten possible places for a user to set up their system in the way that they want it, and adding in ten possible places to annoy the user with sub-optimal defaults. I would find it very inconvenient if I lost control of any of those stages. If you disagree, no problem -- that's what GLIS is for. For me (speaking as a user with a half dozen Gentoo boxes), Gentoo has by far the easiest install of any distro that I've tried. Other than LFS, it's the only distribution that let me set up my discs the way I wanted them (LVM with lots of partitions, and a mixture of jfs and ext3) without making me have to second-guess what some fancy 'user friendly' tool might be doing behind the scenes. The Gentoo install doesn't try to force a load of unnecessary software on me (it's easy enough to fix it so that vim gets installed rather than nano). There aren't any ports open on the default install. I don't get the distribution's choice of desktop environment forced upon me by default. I don't get some awful generic kernel -- I get one that has what I want and only what I want in it. I don't have to compile my editor manually because I can enable or disable all those extra features using USE flags rather than having to rely upon a distribution's default settings. I get exactly what I ask for, and nothing more, which for me is perfect. The way things stand at the moment, there are a lot of choices to be made during the install. The install docs do a good job of explaining those choices, and they usually suggest reasonable defaults if you'd rather that someone else made the decisions for you. If you don't mind reading the documentation, there's nothing particularly difficult about the install. But what if I didn't want a super-flexible install, and would prefer to hide behind a pretty front end? Well, thanks to the GLIS guys, that's also an option. You need only type in two commands (assuming you don't have a wierd network setup, but if GLIS makes it onto the LiveCDs then this won't be an issue): wget http://glis.sf.net/glis-current-beta bash glis-current-beta and the rest of the install can be done from behind a cute dialog interface. From there, installing Gentoo is no harder than installing, say, RedHat, with the added advantage that it is possible to do selected stages manually if you prefer. Similarly, if you don't feel like making your own kernel, and would rather stick with a fairly generic, sub-optimal kernel, then genkernel can do all the work for you. So, really, Gentoo *can* be installed in whatever way you want. You can go for an install that doesn't try to be too clever for its own good, or you can let a pretty front end do all the work for you. The accusation of Gentoo being difficult does not seem correct or fair to me (not since 1.4, anyway...), and I'd wager that a lot of the complaints come from people who have not actually sat down and tried to follow the install docs. Yes, the surface is a bit different. No, there is nothing fundamentally different underneath. It's just that the choice between a totally manual install similar to LFS or a dialog-driven install similar to RedHat is there. As with everything else, during the install Gentoo does what the user wants it to do. Your mileage may, of course, vary. And, of course, if at the end of the day Gentoo doesn't do what you want, it also leaves you free to either fix it or choose another distro :) -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail:ciaranm at gentoo.org Web: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] openssl 0.9.7
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 09 November 2003 12:38 pm, miks wrote: Halo i have a problem i updated openssl form 0.9.6 = 0.9.7 unmerge it and remerge openssl-0.9.6? The current ebuild fails to build the compatibility libraries. It is known and I think it will be fixed in the next update to this package. revdep-rebuild is buggier more often than not - at least I've never had it work correctly for me. This is probably the simplest route available. - -- Matt http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7D81740A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rx/+ZosHVX2BdAoRAnmsAJ90ksaU4VesAX6KtoeDh53GJF4ILQCggh0g vEpS3i3XGui088CEHqcTh/8= =cB83 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: But what if I didn't want a super-flexible install, and would prefer to hide behind a pretty front end? Well, thanks to the GLIS guys, that's also an option. You need only type in two commands (assuming you don't have a wierd network setup, but if GLIS makes it onto the LiveCDs then this won't be an issue): wget http://glis.sf.net/glis-current-beta bash glis-current-beta This *was* true for the 0.7 version, but no longer applies. The current version is 0.1. You must actually do this: wget http://glis.sf.net/releases/glis-0.1.tar.bz2 tar -xjf glis-0.1.tar.bz2 nano -w config ./glis ALL config As I said before, I am currently working on a dialog-based frontend to create the config file. It then runs 'glis ALL config' and shows you the progress. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gdm login failure
--- Oliver Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 Gnome/gdm Addendum: i can create a new user and login with that account, but not as root or using my standard user account. A relogin with the new dummy account was also successful. Any attempt to use root or my user accound end up with that session lasts less than 10 sek. errmsg. Have you tried deleting the file session under .gnome2 in the root/standard user account? If you do this, you'll start the original default session. --DB __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems with vga during boot
--- Oliver Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:10:39 -0800, Matt Chorman wrote: I've tried vga = 791 for 1024x768 - 16 and some other modes shown in the table in the install guide, but none worked. I tried vga = ask, the modes the kernel suggested worked, but the font looked ugly and after loading the default font while booting, the console layout changed and some colored text appeared in strikeout mode... I'd like to boot in the same mode than the gentoo boot CDs do... looks like 1024x768, or at least 800x600 - how are they doing this ? Have you tried using the hex equivalent? eg. vga = 0x317 (=791). --DB __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Netscape-Navigator - emerge or download
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I'm trying to find a good multimedia setup for this PC I'm building for my dad. Alsa is installed and working fine, as is Mozilla, but there are a lot of data types that aren't getting played by Plugger-4.0. Fredrik's page says to check problems with Netscape first before reporting a bug, so I started looking at trying out Navigator, but what I find is that emerge has version 4.79-r1, while the Netscape download page has version 7.1. Why are these revisions so different? Is it significantly more than a numbering change? Do Navigator users have an opinion about which would be better for a new user? netscape 4.7x has been more stable, in my opinion, and works better (at least out of the box) with some multimedia pages. i use mozilla first, and then either netscape 4.79 or konquerer depending on the problem i encounter. -dave (I*NT*p) Brevity is the soul of wit. - Shakespeare -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] openssl 0.9.7
While we're talking about openssl 0.9.7 failures, abiword no longer works after this upgrade as well. I've tried reemerging libgnome( that's the error that happens while rebuilding abiword) and i get no love. bryce On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:19 pm, Matt Chorman wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 12:38 pm, miks wrote: Halo i have a problem i updated openssl form 0.9.6 = 0.9.7 unmerge it and remerge openssl-0.9.6? The current ebuild fails to build the compatibility libraries. It is known and I think it will be fixed in the next update to this package. revdep-rebuild is buggier more often than not - at least I've never had it work correctly for me. This is probably the simplest route available. -- Matt http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7D81740A -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gdm login failure
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:26:15 -0500 (EST), DB Wong wrote: session lasts less than 10 sek. errmsg. Have you tried deleting the file session under .gnome2 in the root/standard user account? If you do this, you'll start the original default session. Well i didn't know what this file exactly contains and which side-effects may occur if i delete it, so i never dit it before. However, after moving the file to somewhere else, the same thing happened, that strange error msg, and something about failsafe sessions. I have no clue how to launch such a 'failsafe session' under gentoo / gnome / gdm, if there are any. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Querying the Portage database
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:53 am, Thomas Smith wrote: I'm new to Gentoo (switching from RH9) and have become used to RPMs and their query tools. Welcome to the Gentoo community. I've been looking for a way to query the Portage database to determine what's installed and get general info regarding the packages--I'm looking for something similar to rpm -qa. Another tool you can use is epm (obtained through emerge app-portage/epm). It appearly has the same syntax as rpm which you may find useful. Definately look at the other suggestions as they may have more functionality though. - -- Daniel Black - -- Proudly a Gentoo Linux User. GnuPG/PGP signed and encrypted email preferred http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x32A64DC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ryWqTDSbtjKmTcgRAijKAJ9W+u+mE9i6lZKpk8r+EIITMl7CTACdFxjs Ovuqkxh7lOR5RlPcGe3SgoE= =Cjtz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] KDE 3.2.0 beta and XMMS problems
Anyone else having problems running XMMS under the new KDE beta? It totally locks up the desktop here when trying to play mp3's through the arts plugin. Tried re-emerging all related components to o avail... MPG123 or MPG321 both still work, if only I could find a decent GUI/Frontend for them. Cheers. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 11:16am up 39 days, 16:09, 7 users, load average: 0.02, 0.06, 0.01 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
