Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
begin quote On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:05:42 -0400 Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 27 June 2003 09:49 am, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: It is clear there is more to this than Gentoo is letting on ... or there wouldn't be a reorg going on The way I see it, reorganization is needed to separate Gentoo the distro from Gentoo Games and perhaps a future Gentoo Embedded. Daniel has promised an explanation at some vague point in the future. See: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=3892offset=45rows=48#115886 -dev stepping in into the ashes. Actually the reorg has been needed since _at least_ april, but before this there was no incentive to do so since there wasn't anything burning in the open. you could feel the heat in some places and there were signs of smoke, but nothing serious. Currently we have noone who is responsible for anything, theres seemant to yell at when theres devstuff, Zhen when theres docstuff and drobbins for the rest. foser, Me, liquidx when its gtk+ ... dan when its KDE.. but nothing has been documented, no chain of command and noone who really says go do this, its needed . We have been completely chaotic in structure, where noone in charge over small parttime projects and things generally running out of time. The only time you've gotten an update on whats going on is when somone finds a nifty new feature, or when you go hunting whoever it was that broke that thing over there There's been talk of herds and some work is going into that (read back, this was well before the whining around the fork) and hopefully management ties into this nicely. as for the fork,Buisness as usual. The most interesting thing that I see coming out of this is that they do some infrastructure changes that might scale nicer than what we have.. but that's yet to see. //Spider -- Irate developer -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 26 June 2003 20:36, Brenden Walker wrote: A couple of thoughts regarding the recent fork: Did the person that forked fork it because he wasn't going to be making any money from Gentoo? That's the impression I'm getting from all of this. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Not from what I can tell, he seemed to think that Gentoo was trying to keep him from making money. Now, if that's the case, what's to stop this Zynot guy from acting the same as Daniel Robbins? Well, from what I've read so far.. Zynot has incorporate as a not for profit organization, as such it must abide by it's Bylaws.. Seems a bit more officially organized. Of course, I've not seen any proof of anything ;-) Reading his story about the dispute he had with Daniel Robbins it seems like he wants to govern his new distro in a rather similar way: Something like a director, which of course will be him, a board of seven other people, and so on. I can't see that big difference except that he promises not to be that kind of an asshole he says DRobbins would have been. An interesting read anyway. I will follow the process of Gentoo's organisational restructuring more closely, and will be watching out for potential tensions in the community and how they are being solved. - - ueberlamer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+/BRrm4+n6JcwFSURAqVTAJ9tCeVD20OJWnZg/JpftuR3OEmRqQCfST0m USO31jDrdcmFYmTSRvuggwg= =EC8r -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
This was declared only two days ago. I guess I would like to know why they are going non-profit. Is it in response to the recent events peaking on Slashdot? Also, is the not-for-profit business to be Gentoo, or simply a subproject. Tom Veldhouse - Original Message - From: brett holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? For Mr. Veldhouse - here's the quote and link. It sure says to me they are going non-profit. As for the progression to the not-for-profit, the top-level managers will likely become the not-for-profit's initial board of directors. At that point, we will have some system in place for electing members of the board. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=gentoo-devm=105651269124856w=2 On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:34:37 -0400 Jason Gouger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you check the big thread in the forums, there's a couple posts from the devs stating gentoo is going non-profit. Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: - Original Message - From: brett holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? Gentoo is going non-profit. Says who? Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list . -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
It is clear there is more to this than Gentoo is letting on ... or there wouldn't be a reorg going on. Tom Veldhouse - Original Message - From: ueberlamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? Well, from what I've read so far.. Zynot has incorporate as a not for profit organization, as such it must abide by it's Bylaws.. Seems a bit more officially organized. Of course, I've not seen any proof of anything ;-) Reading his story about the dispute he had with Daniel Robbins it seems like he wants to govern his new distro in a rather similar way: Something like a director, which of course will be him, a board of seven other people, and so on. I can't see that big difference except that he promises not to be that kind of an asshole he says DRobbins would have been. An interesting read anyway. I will follow the process of Gentoo's organisational restructuring more closely, and will be watching out for potential tensions in the community and how they are being solved. - - ueberlamer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
On Friday 27 June 2003 09:49 am, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: It is clear there is more to this than Gentoo is letting on ... or there wouldn't be a reorg going on The way I see it, reorganization is needed to separate Gentoo the distro from Gentoo Games and perhaps a future Gentoo Embedded. Daniel has promised an explanation at some vague point in the future. See: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=3892offset=45rows=48#115886 -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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I think we need to wait and get more facts before we ascribe evil intent to Gentoo based on one person's web site. I don't know either Daniel or the other guy in any way but all we've heard is his side. Strangely, there were no allegations of evil plotting and none of this mattered until the fork announcement was made. As to the reorg I prefer to attribute it to the fact the Gentoo's rapid growth made it obvious that something needed to be done to address growing pain issues - which every company that grows rapidly and beyond expectations has. The timing - well that may be just the way things worked out. As for me I'm continuing to use Gentoo and will wait until the other side of the story is. On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:05:42 -0400 Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 27 June 2003 09:49 am, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: It is clear there is more to this than Gentoo is letting on ... or there wouldn't be a reorg going on The way I see it, reorganization is needed to separate Gentoo the distro from Gentoo Games and perhaps a future Gentoo Embedded. Daniel has promised an explanation at some vague point in the future. See: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=3892offset=45rows=48#115886 -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
This is probably slightly off topic, but for an interesting overview of the forking history of UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems, check out http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html It doesn't cover all the various Linux distros, since that would probably take up another 7 pages. On June 27, 2003, Keppy sent me the following: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't: www.mandrakelinux.com a fork of www.redhat.com ? Did the latter go out of business as a result? Hell, I'm typing this up on Mac OS X which is a fork of BSD. Debian has forks too. Must I go on? There's really nothing to worry about here guys. -- Chip Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ GCM/CS d+(-) s+:++ a21? C++ UB$ P+++$ L- E--- W++ N@ o K- w O M+ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t+@ R@ tv@ b++@ DI D+(-) G++ e++ h++ r-- y? pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
Well put! I know Daniel (he actually came onsite and helped me install our first Gentoo server, pretty cool!) and based on his character, I can surely say that he is not the devil, and I believe that he is making the best decision for Gentoo, which will have a positive effect on it's user community. Let's give the man some respect and support! -Original Message- From: brett holcomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? I think we need to wait and get more facts before we ascribe evil intent to Gentoo based on one person's web site. I don't know either Daniel or the other guy in any way but all we've heard is his side. Strangely, there were no allegations of evil plotting and none of this mattered until the fork announcement was made. As to the reorg I prefer to attribute it to the fact the Gentoo's rapid growth made it obvious that something needed to be done to address growing pain issues - which every company that grows rapidly and beyond expectations has. The timing - well that may be just the way things worked out. As for me I'm continuing to use Gentoo and will wait until the other side of the story is. On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:05:42 -0400 Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 27 June 2003 09:49 am, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: It is clear there is more to this than Gentoo is letting on ... or there wouldn't be a reorg going on The way I see it, reorganization is needed to separate Gentoo the distro from Gentoo Games and perhaps a future Gentoo Embedded. Daniel has promised an explanation at some vague point in the future. See: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=3892offset=45rows=48#115886 -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list == --- PRESBYTERIAN HEALTHCARE SERVICES DISCLAIMER --- This message originates from Presbyterian Healthcare Services or one of its affiliated organizations. It contains information, which may be confidential or privileged, and is intended only for the individual or entity named above. It is prohibited for anyone else to disclose, copy, distribute or use the contents of this message. All personal messages express views solely of the sender, which are not to be attributed to Presbyterian Healthcare Services or any of its affiliated organizations, and may not be distributed without this disclaimer. If you received this message in error, please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] == -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
From: Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] The way I see it, reorganization is needed to separate Gentoo the distro from Gentoo Games and perhaps a future Gentoo Embedded. Daniel has promised an explanation at some vague point in the future. See: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=3892offset=45rows=48#115886 -- Probably when there is a release ;) Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Friday 27 June 2003 10:54 am, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: From: Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] The way I see it, reorganization is needed to separate Gentoo the distro from Gentoo Games and perhaps a future Gentoo Embedded. Daniel has promised an explanation at some vague point in the future. See: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=3892offset=45rows=48#11 5886 -- Probably when there is a release ;) Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Tom Veldhouse Very good Tom. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:54:51 +0200 ueberlamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 26 June 2003 20:36, Brenden Walker wrote: A couple of thoughts regarding the recent fork: Did the person that forked fork it because he wasn't going to be making any money from Gentoo? That's the impression I'm getting from all of this. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Not from what I can tell, he seemed to think that Gentoo was trying to keep him from making money. Reading his story about the dispute he had with Daniel Robbins it seems like he wants to govern his new distro in a rather similar way: This is all interesting when you read DRobbins explanation why he started gentoo in the first place: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-dist1.html If you haven't, read (or if you have re-read) the sections: People can get Ugly and Understanding the Freak. As forks go, this is pretty calm. I remember riding out the sorcery debacle, where the lead guy decided to take his ball and bat and go elsewhere (another sweat equity issue it turned out) when lunar-linux forked and the rest of us were left dangling in the breeze as we didn't want to switch to lunar. My opinion at the time was that it was a great example of how-to force a fork and shoot yourself in the foot while throwing away any goodwill you had generated, all at the same time. I don't know the status of lunar, but SourceMage was going strong last time I checked, and the original still seems to have a following as well. All I can do is give thanks for the GPL! -- Living in the complex world of the future is somewhat like having bees live in your head. But, there they are. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 09:43, brett holcomb wrote: way but all we've heard is his side. Strangely, there were no allegations of evil plotting and none of this mattered until the fork announcement was made. As to the No allegations of evil plotting, but there has been more than one request to open up -core to public viewing. There's a thread going on in -dev about it - I really hope it goes through. Making it read only is right in step with the published social contract and can't harm the community. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 07:46, Chip Marshall wrote: This is probably slightly off topic, but for an interesting overview of the forking history of UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems, check out http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html It doesn't cover all the various Linux distros, since that would probably take up another 7 pages. Yeah, but it covers all sorts of nearly insignificant point releases for Linux, SunOS and BSD while it excludes major architecturally different versions of System V (e.g., segment swapping vs. demand paging) in the SVR2 era. It also does not cover the heavy cross pollination of System V and Solaris that resulted in the original SVR4 and Solaris 2. A bunch of vendor specific flavors of UNIX with unique architectures (Gould, Auragen Systems, Amdahl UTS, Tandem Integrity S2, ATT Apache, etc.) are also missing. The mid-1980's ATT Apache version is especially interesting because it ran as a single instance on distributed clusters with both loosely and tightly coupled multiprocessors. Seth -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
See the /. article http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/26/048221 regarding a fork of Gentoo. Decide for yourself on some ethics questions raised http://www.zynot.org/info/fork.html -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:48:59 -0400 Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See the /. article http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/26/048221 regarding a fork of Gentoo. Decide for yourself on some ethics questions raised http://www.zynot.org/info/fork.html I think it's time for a statement by the (core) gentoo-developers. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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There is a thread running in Dev, and Daniels response certainly proves there is bad blood. Now, about those domain names ... Tom Veldhouse - Original Message - From: Florian Huber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? I think it's time for a statement by the (core) gentoo-developers. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Thursday 26 Jun 2003 14:48, Ernie Schroder wrote: See the /. article http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/26/048221 regarding a fork of Gentoo. Decide for yourself on some ethics questions raised http://www.zynot.org/info/fork.html I find this very sad. Zach is not the first dev to leave like this. It would seem like the Chief Architect is not easy to work with. I do hope that my favourite distribution does not go the way of Caldera. Peter -- == Gentoo Linux: Gentoo Base System version 1.4.3.8p1 kernel-2.4.21_rc8-gss i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1600+ == -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Peter Ruskin wrote: On Thursday 26 Jun 2003 14:48, Ernie Schroder wrote: I find this very sad. Zach is not the first dev to leave like this. It would seem like the Chief Architect is not easy to work with. I do hope that my favourite distribution does not go the way of Caldera. Peter You really can't make any assumptions like that without hearing both sides of the story. The article posted on slashdot was rather one sided Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 11:09:13AM -0400, Jason Gouger wrote: You really can't make any assumptions like that without hearing both sides of the story. The article posted on slashdot was rather one sided Making assumptions based on a slashdot article is kinda like making assumptions on the SCO/IBM debacle based on what's on SCO's website. Cheers, Dennis -- Dennis Soper[EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Supervisor Facilities Services-- The University of Oregon 1276 University of Oregon phone: 541-346-2286 Eugene, OR 97403 fax:541-346-2299 Please note that my email address has changed. Update your address book to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
- Original Message - From: Jason Gouger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? You really can't make any assumptions like that without hearing both sides of the story. The article posted on slashdot was rather one sided Jason In Dev - Daniel stated he would not defend himself, but that he would win if he did. He denied nothing in particular and then after a few sentences, heat got the best of him and he called it lies and slander. Personally, I would like to know about the domain names and the specific allegations about the future of Gentoo in the embedded world. It does indeed look like something was going on the sly. Perhaps it can be explained easily enough. Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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The article only contains some links. What's on those links matters. Up until now, there are two persons(look at the footnote) speaking not very pleasant about gentoo's top developers... I wonder how many else would show up eventually... I see that Zachary T Welch has offered Daniel Robbins a chance to discuss in public about this at LinuxWorld. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=gentoo-devm=105658976503154w=2 On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 11:09:13AM -0400, Jason Gouger wrote: You really can't make any assumptions like that without hearing both sides of the story. The article posted on slashdot was rather one sided Making assumptions based on a slashdot article is kinda like making assumptions on the SCO/IBM debacle based on what's on SCO's website. Cheers, Dennis -- Dennis Soper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Supervisor Facilities Services-- The University of Oregon 1276 University of Oregon phone: 541-346-2286 Eugene, OR 97403 fax:541-346-2299 Please note that my email address has changed. Update your address book to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo?
Hello All, A couple of thoughts regarding the recent fork: Did the person that forked fork it because he wasn't going to be making any money from Gentoo? That's the impression I'm getting from all of this. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Now, if that's the case, what's to stop this Zynot guy from acting the same as Daniel Robbins? I'm interested to know more of this, but am wondering if the current forker is really the right person to be supporting. My impressions are that he may not be as pro community as he says he is. At this point it sounds like he's the only one involved, and is not ready to give up control to a group any time soon. --Tim On June 26, 2003 10:09, Jason Gouger wrote: Peter Ruskin wrote: On Thursday 26 Jun 2003 14:48, Ernie Schroder wrote: I find this very sad. Zach is not the first dev to leave like this. It would seem like the Chief Architect is not easy to work with. I do hope that my favourite distribution does not go the way of Caldera. Peter You really can't make any assumptions like that without hearing both sides of the story. The article posted on slashdot was rather one sided Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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It is in the gentoo-dev mailing list ... I don't know where the archives are. Tom Veldhouse - Original Message - From: Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? On Thursday 26 June 2003 10:19 am, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: There is a thread running in Dev, and Daniels response certainly proves there is bad blood. Now, about those domain names ... Tom Veldhouse - Original Message - From: Florian Huber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? I think it's time for a statement by the (core) gentoo-developers. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Please post URL for this thread -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Thursday 26 June 2003 12:29 pm, Timothy James Friesen wrote: Hello All, A couple of thoughts regarding the recent fork: Did the person that forked fork it because he wasn't going to be making any money from Gentoo? That's the impression I'm getting from all of this. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Now, if that's the case, what's to stop this Zynot guy from acting the same as Daniel Robbins? The point is that he is making no claims to be not for profit. In fact he said in his piece that he intends to make this the focus of his business. D. R. should be so up front! I have nothing personal afainst Daniel making monet from his baby but the secrecy and ethical questions do pique my interest. I'm interested to know more of this, but am wondering if the current forker is really the right person to be supporting. My impressions are that he may not be as pro community as he says he is. At this point it sounds like he's the only one involved, and is not ready to give up control to a group any time soon. --Tim On June 26, 2003 10:09, Jason Gouger wrote: Peter Ruskin wrote: On Thursday 26 Jun 2003 14:48, Ernie Schroder wrote: I find this very sad. Zach is not the first dev to leave like this. It would seem like the Chief Architect is not easy to work with. I do hope that my favourite distribution does not go the way of Caldera. Peter You really can't make any assumptions like that without hearing both sides of the story. The article posted on slashdot was rather one sided Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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To clear up some of the confusion here is the link to the devel-thread with Daniel's response. I agree that the /. article is very one sided. Hopefully this can clear up some worries. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/9606/match=fork ~Mike -- And don't tell me there isn't one bit of difference between null and space, because that's exactly how much difference there is. :-) --Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: It is in the gentoo-dev mailing list ... I don't know where the archives are. Tom Veldhouse - Original Message - From: Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? On Thursday 26 June 2003 10:19 am, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: There is a thread running in Dev, and Daniels response certainly proves there is bad blood. Now, about those domain names ... Tom Veldhouse - Original Message - From: Florian Huber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? I think it's time for a statement by the (core) gentoo-developers. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Please post URL for this thread -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 13:40, Mike Principito wrote: To clear up some of the confusion here is the link to the devel-thread with Daniel's response. I agree that the /. article is very one sided. Hopefully this can clear up some worries. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/9606/match=fork I couldn't get that link to load. This may be a better link. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=gentoo-devm=105660015009758w=2 -- Phil Our 2nd CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/naomisfancy Naomi's Fancy performances: http://naomisfancy.virtualave.net/schedule.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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A couple of thoughts regarding the recent fork: Did the person that forked fork it because he wasn't going to be making any money from Gentoo? That's the impression I'm getting from all of this. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Not from what I can tell, he seemed to think that Gentoo was trying to keep him from making money. Now, if that's the case, what's to stop this Zynot guy from acting the same as Daniel Robbins? Well, from what I've read so far.. Zynot has incorporate as a not for profit organization, as such it must abide by it's Bylaws.. Seems a bit more officially organized. Of course, I've not seen any proof of anything ;-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Gentoo is going non-profit. On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:06:40 +0200 Andreas Lundin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2003 17:54, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: In Dev - Daniel stated he would not defend himself, but that he would win if he did. He denied nothing in particular and then after a few sentences, heat got the best of him and he called it lies and slander. Hmm, that almost sounds like SCO's We have evidence, and are confident that we'll win, but we ain't going to show it to anyone... ;) Seriously, saying that if I defend myself, I would win is a pretty crappy defence. I'm not saying Daniel is wrong and Zach is right, but I think Daniel would regain some of the confidenceof the user community he might have lost, if he defended himself. Also, I think it is high time that gentoo goes non-profit. Gentoo has a very strong community, and I feel that the core of that community should not be a for-profit company. //Andreas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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- Original Message - From: brett holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? Gentoo is going non-profit. Says who? Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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If you check the big thread in the forums, there's a couple posts from the devs stating gentoo is going non-profit. Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: - Original Message - From: brett holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? Gentoo is going non-profit. Says who? Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list . -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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For Mr. Veldhouse - here's the quote and link. It sure says to me they are going non-profit. As for the progression to the not-for-profit, the top-level managers will likely become the not-for-profit's initial board of directors. At that point, we will have some system in place for electing members of the board. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=gentoo-devm=105651269124856w=2 On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:34:37 -0400 Jason Gouger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you check the big thread in the forums, there's a couple posts from the devs stating gentoo is going non-profit. Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: - Original Message - From: brett holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fork of Gentoo? Gentoo is going non-profit. Says who? Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list . -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Wow this whole fork thing is getting big. I was just wondering if I got this whole story right. Trying to figure out what exactly a fork is. Is that when they take the source code of a distro and make their own out of it? Thats the conclusion that I came up with after reading. Also, by my reading ;), its that Zach did not agree with someone I think his name is Daniel, so he left and took other developers with him to create Zynot. Am I right? As a beginner to Gentoo, Im about to install it, does this fork thing have an end result on the user? Sorry for all these questions, just really curious. Thanks for your time. = -Miguel [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ date ; echo ${Thomas T. Veldhouse}
Thursday 26 June 2003 01:41 pm
It is in the gentoo-dev mailing list ... I don't know where the archives
are.
Try:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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Yes, a fork is where someone(s) takes a distro and decides to go in another direction. Sort of like the Secure Hardened Gentoo - it's based on Gentoo but has been setup to achieve a specific purpose. I don't see where it will effect Gentoo. Gentoo will be gentoo and will continue. As far as I know it's just him. He did hire someone from Gentoo sometime back. Developers are going to come and go on a open source project. They're doing it on their own time and if the situation changes (such as with someone who said they were being transferred by the army) they may have to drop doing Gentoo. Wow this whole fork thing is getting big. I was just wondering if I got this whole story right. Trying to figure out what exactly a fork is. Is that when they take the source code of a distro and make their own out of it? Thats the conclusion that I came up with after reading. Also, by my reading ;), its that Zach did not agree with someone I think his name is Daniel, so he left and took other developers with him to create Zynot. Am I right? As a beginner to Gentoo, Im about to install it, does this fork thing have an end result on the user? Sorry for all these questions, just really curious. Thanks for your time. = -Miguel [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Thursday 26 Jun 2003 19:08, Norberto BENSA wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ date ; echo ${Thomas T. Veldhouse}
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It is in the gentoo-dev mailing list ... I don't know where the
archives are.
Try:
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The requested URL /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ was not found on this server.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't: www.mandrakelinux.com a fork of www.redhat.com ? Did the latter go out of business as a result? Hell, I'm typing this up on Mac OS X which is a fork of BSD. Debian has forks too. Must I go on? There's really nothing to worry about here guys. |eppy Miguel M. wrote: Wow this whole fork thing is getting big. I was just wondering if I got this whole story right. Trying to figure out what exactly a fork is. Is that when they take the source code of a distro and make their own out of it? Thats the conclusion that I came up with after reading. Also, by my reading ;), its that Zach did not agree with someone I think his name is Daniel, so he left and took other developers with him to create Zynot. Am I right? As a beginner to Gentoo, Im about to install it, does this fork thing have an end result on the user? Sorry for all these questions, just really curious. Thanks for your time. = -Miguel [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
