Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On 30 Jul 2003 17:00:21 -0400 Paul K. Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run reiserfs on my laptop and have for over a year. I suspend every day, and on monday, my laptop is dead because I never plugged it in/used it. Thats every weekend this past year plus some. Monday morning I power up, every thing is peachy. Just for shits and giggles I ran reiserfsck on the fs from the gentoo cd. no problems found anywhere. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it mr. ext3 man;) I have to admit .. I'm very much a reiserfs puppy. I used to run a cvs/file/mail server for a game development company in south africa on a 60gig drive with reiserfs and I messed it up running reiserfsck on it while it was mounted .. dropped everything badly .. went onto reiser list .. grabed the latest recovery tools .. took a few hours to rebuild everything and lost nothing at all. I'm not going to switch to any other FS anytime soon -- Henti Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Administrator The Computer-Smith Networking http://www.tcsn.co.za -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
I run reiserfs on my laptop and have for over a year. I suspend every day, and on monday, my laptop is dead because I never plugged it in/used it. Thats every weekend this past year plus some. Monday morning I power up, every thing is peachy. Just for shits and giggles I ran reiserfsck on the fs from the gentoo cd. no problems found anywhere. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it mr. ext3 man;) Paul On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 16:37, Harald Arnesen wrote: Norberto BENSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arnold Krille wrote: From my personal experience: ext3 is _much_ better than reiserfs! Two words: DON'T START (a flame war) :-) Everybody knows reiserfs IS way better than anything else! :-) Except when your machine crashes, and you lose a few directories. That has never happened to me with ext3. Now I try xfs on my laptop. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:23:41PM -0500, Alec Berryman wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 19:40, Vano D wrote: Note that I split the thing into 640 megs so I can store it into a CDROM and that I make the filename with the date extension. Dumb question: I'm new to split; can you untar each split file individually, or do you need to do them in sequence like a split RAR? Even worse than that. Split is a totally separate program, it does what it sounds like; takes file A and chomps it up into pieces A.1, A.2, etc. Tar have no idea about this. It will happily read your first file A.1 and when it reaches the end of that file, it will stop there, complaining about the broken archive. If you /haven't/ compressed the archive, you /might/ be able to take one of the split files and extract files from it, but you /WILL/ loose the first file in the archive (actually, the one that got split between this split file and the previous). If you compressed the archive, you won't be able to read anything from the split files, unless of course you have the first one. Do make tar read the split files again, you just: 'cat A.1 A.2 A.3 A' and voila, you can unpack the A file. This is one of the biggest reason why you shouldn't compress backup data. Say that you burned the A.2 file on CD and either the burning process, the media, or the reading of that file has gone bad. You've had that happened to you, haven't you? ;) Now, /atleast/ all files in the archive A.3 is gone... Probably more. Tar can't recover from an error in the compressed archive. However, if it's an uncompressed archive, you'd just loose the one file that went wrong... Remember, noone cares if you do backups. It's if you can restore that matters. :) //H -- To segfault is human; to bluescreen moronic. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
just wonderign, wouldn't tar.bz files not keep your attributes? Finne On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Christian Aust wrote: Hi all, I'd like to convert my 10GB root partition from ext3 to reiserfs. I've learned that I can't do that on the fly, like ext2-ext3 conversion is done. So I'll have to backup all data, reformat the partition and copy everything back. Unfortunately, my external drive is formatted as FAT32 and will not preserve all filesystem attributes as owner, timestamp and such. My idea was to create an image on that drive (which would be ext2 formatted) and copy everything to this image which is located on a FAT32 partition. Can I do this? How do I create such an image? How do I mount it? IMHO it should be possible with the standard tools contained on the Knoppix 3.2 CD so I can boot from another medium. Best regards, thanks for any help. - Christian -- Christian Aust mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 84500990 - Yahoo!: datenimperator - MSN: datenimperator PGP: A073 F9CD 2F23 25D2 EB95 E7A3 B9B4 2AF3 E103 DB5A -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list mvg Finne Boonen *** Beware of the spring, it'll jump you when you least expect it -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
Finne Boonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:09:25 +0200 (MET DST): just wonderign, wouldn't tar.bz files not keep your attributes? Hmm, haven't thought of that. How would I easily tar everything except /proc, /dev and /mnt, and send it through bzip2? Regards, - Christian -- Christian Aust mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 84500990 - Yahoo!: datenimperator - MSN: datenimperator PGP: A073 F9CD 2F23 25D2 EB95 E7A3 B9B4 2AF3 E103 DB5A -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
-- quoting Christian Aust -- Hmm, haven't thought of that. How would I easily tar everything except /proc, /dev and /mnt, and send it through bzip2? Regards, You can use tar with the --exclude option (see man page for more info). And tar has the feature to pipe all through gzip to pack the archive contents. Just use the -z flag for this (again, man tar is your friend). HTH, Matthias -- Matthias F. Brandstetter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] now playing Groove Salad: a nicely chilled plate of ambient beats and grooves. [SomaFM] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Christian Aust wrote: Finne Boonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:09:25 +0200 (MET DST): just wonderign, wouldn't tar.bz files not keep your attributes? Hmm, haven't thought of that. How would I easily tar everything except /proc, /dev and /mnt, and send it through bzip2? Regards, tar -cj /home file.tar.bz2 untarren met: tar -xvjpf file.tar.bz2 - Christian -- Christian Aust mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 84500990 - Yahoo!: datenimperator - MSN: datenimperator PGP: A073 F9CD 2F23 25D2 EB95 E7A3 B9B4 2AF3 E103 DB5A -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list mvg Finne Boonen *** Beware of the spring, it'll jump you when you least expect it -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
Hi Matthias, On Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 11:21:39 [GMT +0200], you wrote: -- quoting Christian Aust -- Hmm, haven't thought of that. How would I easily tar everything except /proc, /dev and /mnt, and send it through bzip2? [...] And tar has the feature to pipe all through gzip to pack the archive contents. Just use the -z flag for this (again, man tar is your friend). Or -j to pipe through bzip2. Although I wouldn't compress the archive at all in this case, at least not when there is enough free space on the FAT32 partition. Compression only takes more time and as you usually won't keep the archive for a longer time, I'd prefer the saved time over the saved space. -- Regards, Lars -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 10:14, Christian Aust wrote: Finne Boonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:09:25 +0200 (MET DST): just wonderign, wouldn't tar.bz files not keep your attributes? Hmm, haven't thought of that. How would I easily tar everything except /proc, /dev and /mnt, and send it through bzip2? Regards, - Christian tar -cpvvzf backup_file.tar.gz / --exclude /proc --exclude /dev or rsync -av --exclude /proc --exclude /dev / dir_containing_backup/ I wouldn't exclude /dev though. Peter -- == Gentoo Linux: Gentoo Base System version 1.4.3.7 kernel-2.4.22_pre2-gss i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1600+ == -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 11:05, Christian Aust wrote: I'd like to convert my 10GB root partition from ext3 to reiserfs. I've learned that I can't do that on the fly, like ext2-ext3 conversion is done. So I'll have to backup all data, reformat the partition and copy everything back. Just one little question: WHY do you want to do this??? From my personal experience: ext3 is _much_ better than reiserfs! Its backward compatible, so you can easily fix it with ext2-tools, which isn't the case with reiserfs and which is the reason why I switched from reiserfs to ext3 as my reiserfs had faults no one could repair... Try to mount reiserfs with an 2.2 kernel of an rescue disc. Maybe this is the start of the next flamewar...(Vi is better than emacs;-) Arnold -- Get my public-key from pgp.mit.edu or pgp.uni-mainz.de --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 12:27, Christian Aust wrote: Arnold Krille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:44:24 +0200: Just one little question: WHY do you want to do this??? From my personal experience: ext3 is _much_ better than reiserfs! Its backward compatible, so you can easily fix it with ext2-tools, which isn't the case with reiserfs and which is the reason why I switched from reiserfs to ext3 as my reiserfs had faults no one could repair... full ACK with what you've mentioned about rescue system and such, but in my case I'm using 2.4 rescue disks only which happen to have reiserfs support from my experience the only rescuedisc you find in case of an emergency is the oldest ;-) (i.e. Knoppix). Also I found that reiserfs performs much better than ext3 on the computers where I've tried it. And performance is one of my top concerns for everyday use on my laptop. Don't know about performance but my ext3 don't feel slower than reiserfs, espacially as on most modern laptops more and more ide work is done from the processor and so every filesystem is slower afaik. So I'd like to give reiserfs a try on the laptop, too. Best regards, Do it if you want, but my bad experiences with reiserfs where on my every_days_work laptop where its not possible to add another disc for temporary backup... Arnold -- Get my public-key from pgp.mit.edu or pgp.uni-mainz.de --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 11:28:29AM +0200, Lars Geiger wrote: Although I wouldn't compress the archive at all in this case, at least not when there is enough free space on the FAT32 partition. Compression only takes more time and as you usually won't keep the archive for a longer time, I'd prefer the saved time over the saved space. Not to mention that it's nice to be able to read the entire archive even after a bit got faulty somewhere in the compressed file. //H -- To segfault is human; to bluescreen moronic. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
Just to throw some weight the other way, since this seems to be a preferences thread. I've had wonderful experience with ReiserFS on both laptop and desktop machines. If you have the time and a free disk, I heartily suggest you give it a try. I think you'll probably not go back. On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:13:24 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote On Wednesday 23 July 2003 12:27, Christian Aust wrote: Arnold Krille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:44:24 +0200: Just one little question: WHY do you want to do this??? From my personal experience: ext3 is _much_ better than reiserfs! Its backward compatible, so you can easily fix it with ext2-tools, which isn't the case with reiserfs and which is the reason why I switched from reiserfs to ext3 as my reiserfs had faults no one could repair... full ACK with what you've mentioned about rescue system and such, but in my case I'm using 2.4 rescue disks only which happen to have reiserfs support from my experience the only rescuedisc you find in case of an emergency is the oldest ;-) (i.e. Knoppix). Also I found that reiserfs performs much better than ext3 on the computers where I've tried it. And performance is one of my top concerns for everyday use on my laptop. Don't know about performance but my ext3 don't feel slower than reiserfs, espacially as on most modern laptops more and more ide work is done from the processor and so every filesystem is slower afaik. So I'd like to give reiserfs a try on the laptop, too. Best regards, Do it if you want, but my bad experiences with reiserfs where on my every_days_work laptop where its not possible to add another disc for temporary backup... Arnold -- Get my public-key from pgp.mit.edu or pgp.uni-mainz.de --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
Arnold Krille wrote: From my personal experience: ext3 is _much_ better than reiserfs! Two words: DON'T START (a flame war) :-) Everybody knows reiserfs IS way better than anything else! :-) Norberto pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
Norberto BENSA wrote: Arnold Krille wrote: From my personal experience: ext3 is _much_ better than reiserfs! Two words: DON'T START (a flame war) :-) Everybody knows reiserfs IS way better than anything else! :-) That's what I hear a lot, but I've also heard the horror stories of losing entire filesystems to ReiserFS. I've never heard of anything like that happening with ext2/3. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Mié 23 Jul 2003 16:21, Norberto BENSA escribió: | Arnold Krille wrote: | From my personal experience: ext3 is _much_ better than reiserfs! | | Two words: DON'T START (a flame war) :-) | | Everybody knows reiserfs IS way better than anything else! :-) That's your opinion.. my fellow patriot. ;) ReiserFS destroyed my entire disk when I was running OpenLinux. Don't remind me those times please! I preffer XFS or EXT3 as well. But I'll never use Raiser again. It really sucks! But neither of then, nor Reiser nor XFS supports bad cluster.. so well.. I've got yo choose EXT3. - -- ..:: Gent00:.:. ...: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .:.. ::.. Fingerprint: F86A AF36 4B75 6CD0 FFBB A800 8C86 CCA9 ..:. .::. Powered By Gentoo Linux .:.. Probarás... probarás... pero con éste te quedarás. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Hu4KjIbMqXs4fYIRAmfWAJ4jpeLFUbbWKQ7K9Fb1D8XBcDxMpQCeJg93 XIb9R96swOBqOKUs/pw25/0= =+X/U -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 21:01, Rob Snow wrote: Just to throw some weight the other way, since this seems to be a preferences thread. I've had wonderful experience with ReiserFS on both laptop and desktop machines. If you have the time and a free disk, I heartily suggest you give it a try. I think you'll probably not go back. Nothing against giving it a try but I went back to ext... Arnold -- Get my public-key from pgp.mit.edu or pgp.uni-mainz.de --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
Norberto BENSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arnold Krille wrote: From my personal experience: ext3 is _much_ better than reiserfs! Two words: DON'T START (a flame war) :-) Everybody knows reiserfs IS way better than anything else! :-) Except when your machine crashes, and you lose a few directories. That has never happened to me with ext3. Now I try xfs on my laptop. -- Hilsen Harald. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
Andrew Gaffney wrote: Norberto BENSA wrote: Everybody knows reiserfs IS way better than anything else! :-) That's what I hear a lot, but I've also heard the horror stories of losing entire filesystems to ReiserFS. I've never heard of anything like that happening with ext2/3. Ohhh... I can tell you many histories me losing ext[23] partitions when I ran Debian. Please, stop this thread here. Choice of FS is very personal, much like Windows vs. Linux vs. *BSD vs. OS/2 vs MacOS whateverversion vs. AmigaOS vs. [put your favorite OS here.] With best regards, Norberto -- $ man women No manual entry for women pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 15:10, Andrew Gaffney wrote: That's what I hear a lot, but I've also heard the horror stories of losing entire filesystems to ReiserFS. I've never heard of anything like that happening with ext2/3. For what it's worth, I've never lost a filesystem to Reiser, but have lost a few to ext2/3. I hear that most of the huge Reiser bugs are gone. Either way, corruptions shouldn't worry you if you treat it nicely. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 15:10, Andrew Gaffney wrote: That's what I hear a lot, but I've also heard the horror stories of losing entire filesystems to ReiserFS. I've never heard of anything like that happening with ext2/3. I'll share the one and only problem I've had with reiserfs. One day my system's kernel started to dump the registers and halt. I would reboot and everything would be fine. I would login to the machine using KDM/KDE and work away for a while then again the system would halt. I couldn't figure out what was going on. I can't remember why I did it, but I booted the system without X and went to clean out /tmp. When I did a 'rm -rf *' in temp the kernel dumped registers and halted. I said and thought to myself WTF. After rebooting, I selectively removed files from /tmp and found that when I tried to remove one particular directory the system would halt. I decided to boot into single user mode and run reiserfsck. When I did, reiserfsck reported it found errors it could not fix and I would have to use the '--rebuild-tree' option. I ran reiserfsck with the option and it fixed my problem without loosing any data. I was able to remove everything from /tmp and not have the kernel halt. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:09, Finne Boonen wrote: just wonderign, wouldn't tar.bz files not keep your attributes? This is the tar line in a script I use to make backups of the whole system once in a while (I know, I need a better backup system). I have tried restoring and the whole system comes back ok. So it deffinitely works :) tar cjpf - / --exclude=usr/portage/distfiles/* --exclude=tmp/* --exclude=/proc/* --exclude=/.journal | split -b 640m - /tmp/gentoo-system-`date +%Y%m%d`- Note that I split the thing into 640 megs so I can store it into a CDROM and that I make the filename with the date extension. You can obviously switch the 'j' option with the 'z' option or simply none for no compression. Whatever you do keep the 'p' which preserves file attributes and what not. You also need the 'p' while untarring, as stated in the Gentoo install docs. BTW, /.journal is the ext3 journal file which should not be copied (as stated somewhere in the man pages of something... dont remember now). Cheers, -- Vano D [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 17:46, Steven Elling wrote: I can't remember why I did it, but I booted the system without X and went to clean out /tmp. When I did a 'rm -rf *' in temp the kernel dumped registers and halted. I said and thought to myself WTF. After rebooting, I selectively removed files from /tmp and found that when I tried to remove one particular directory the system would halt. I decided to boot into single user mode and run reiserfsck. When I did, reiserfsck reported it found errors it could not fix and I would have to use the '--rebuild-tree' option. I ran reiserfsck with the option and it fixed my problem without loosing any data. I was able to remove everything from /tmp and not have the kernel halt. I should add - reiserfsck is _much_ faster than e2fsck. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 19:40, Vano D wrote: Note that I split the thing into 640 megs so I can store it into a CDROM and that I make the filename with the date extension. Dumb question: I'm new to split; can you untar each split file individually, or do you need to do them in sequence like a split RAR? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Convert ext3 to reiserfs
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:19:11PM -0500, Alec Berryman wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 17:46, Steven Elling wrote: I can't remember why I did it, but I booted the system without X and went to clean out /tmp. When I did a 'rm -rf *' in temp the kernel dumped registers and halted. I said and thought to myself WTF. After rebooting, I selectively removed files from /tmp and found that when I tried to remove one particular directory the system would halt. I decided to boot into single user mode and run reiserfsck. When I did, reiserfsck reported it found errors it could not fix and I would have to use the '--rebuild-tree' option. I ran reiserfsck with the option and it fixed my problem without loosing any data. I was able to remove everything from /tmp and not have the kernel halt. I should add - reiserfsck is _much_ faster than e2fsck. I've had reiserfsck --rebuild-tree turn damaged filesystems into totally unusable filesystems. Maybe it's gotten more robust since I encountered my problems. Nathan Meyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
