[gentoo-user] strange (alarming) informations from lm-sensors
Hi! I've just installed lm-sensors to peek at my motherboard. I've got the following informations. I don't understand everything but I don't like the ALARM messages... Can I trust those informations? Should I call the firemen? And I'm specially worried about the +224.4°C (limit +120°). After a few tries, all infomations seem pretty static, only the temp2 changes a bit. as99127f-i2c-0-2d Adapter: SMBus Via Pro adapter at e800 Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapter VCore 1: +1.84 V (min = +1.76 V, max = +2.14 V) VCore 2: +0.09 V (min = +1.76 V, max = +2.14 V) ALARM +3.3V: +3.26 V (min = +2.97 V, max = +3.63 V) +5V: +4.80 V (min = +4.50 V, max = +5.48 V) +12V: +12.27 V (min = +10.79 V, max = +13.11 V) -12V: -7.55 V (min = -15.06 V, max = -12.32 V) ALARM -5V: -2.66 V (min = -5.48 V, max = -4.50 V) ALARM fan1: 3901 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) fan2:0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) ALARM fan3:0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) ALARM temp1: +33°C (limit = +60°C) temp2: +69.0°C (limit = +120°C, hysteresis = +100°C)(beep) temp3:+224.4°C (limit = +120°C, hysteresis = +100°C) vid: +1.950 V alarms: beep_enable: Sound alarm enabled -- mathieu perrenoud -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] strange (alarming) informations from lm-sensors
mathieu wrote: Hi! I've just installed lm-sensors to peek at my motherboard. I've got the following informations. I don't understand everything but I don't like the ALARM messages... Can I trust those informations? Should I call the firemen? And I'm specially worried about the +224.4°C (limit +120°). After a few tries, all infomations seem pretty static, only the temp2 changes a bit. as99127f-i2c-0-2d Adapter: SMBus Via Pro adapter at e800 Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapter VCore 1: +1.84 V (min = +1.76 V, max = +2.14 V) VCore 2: +0.09 V (min = +1.76 V, max = +2.14 V) ALARM +3.3V: +3.26 V (min = +2.97 V, max = +3.63 V) +5V: +4.80 V (min = +4.50 V, max = +5.48 V) +12V: +12.27 V (min = +10.79 V, max = +13.11 V) -12V: -7.55 V (min = -15.06 V, max = -12.32 V) ALARM -5V: -2.66 V (min = -5.48 V, max = -4.50 V) ALARM fan1: 3901 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) fan2:0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) ALARM fan3:0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) ALARM temp1: +33°C (limit = +60°C) temp2: +69.0°C (limit = +120°C, hysteresis = +100°C)(beep) temp3:+224.4°C (limit = +120°C, hysteresis = +100°C) vid: +1.950 V alarms: beep_enable: Sound alarm enabled I think that 224.4 is the maximum temp that the sensors can report, which probably means that the sensor isn't working anymore or doesn't actually exist on the motherboard. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] strange (alarming) informations from lm-sensors
Le Jeudi 25 Septembre 2003 16:19, Andrew Gaffney a écrit : mathieu wrote: Hi! I've just installed lm-sensors to peek at my motherboard. I've got the following informations. I don't understand everything but I don't like the ALARM messages... Can I trust those informations? Should I call the firemen? And I'm specially worried about the +224.4°C (limit +120°). After a few tries, all infomations seem pretty static, only the temp2 changes a bit. as99127f-i2c-0-2d Adapter: SMBus Via Pro adapter at e800 Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapter VCore 1: +1.84 V (min = +1.76 V, max = +2.14 V) VCore 2: +0.09 V (min = +1.76 V, max = +2.14 V) ALARM +3.3V: +3.26 V (min = +2.97 V, max = +3.63 V) +5V: +4.80 V (min = +4.50 V, max = +5.48 V) +12V: +12.27 V (min = +10.79 V, max = +13.11 V) -12V: -7.55 V (min = -15.06 V, max = -12.32 V) ALARM -5V: -2.66 V (min = -5.48 V, max = -4.50 V) ALARM fan1: 3901 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) fan2:0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) ALARM fan3:0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) ALARM temp1: +33°C (limit = +60°C) temp2: +69.0°C (limit = +120°C, hysteresis = +100°C)(beep) temp3:+224.4°C (limit = +120°C, hysteresis = +100°C) vid: +1.950 V alarms: beep_enable: Sound alarm enabled I think that 224.4 is the maximum temp that the sensors can report, which probably means that the sensor isn't working anymore or doesn't actually exist on the motherboard. thanks andrew, I feel more confortable now. But I'm still worried about other ALARMs. Do you have some advice about them? -- mathieu perrenoud -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] strange (alarming) informations from lm-sensors
The fan headers you don't have anything connected to, so don't worry about them. The VCore 2 I assume your machine does not use (do you have a P4 by any chance?). The -12v and -5v lines being way off probably means your PSU isn't supplying them, or is doing an extremely bad job of it. There is very, very little equipment around that uses these lines, so again, don't worry about them. The temp2 is quite high, I'd look into better cooling for your CPU. Unless the machine is stable in which case I wouldn't worry again :) _ Please Note: This e-mail is confidential and may be protected by law. This e-mail is intended solely for the named recipient(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, please destroy the copy in your possession immediately. Please do not disclose the contents to any other person, use information contained in it for any purpose, store or copy it. Although this e-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus, which might affect a computer system into which it is received and opened, Express Reinforcements Ltd. can not guarantee this and does not accept responsibility for any damage resulting from the use of this e-mail. Copyright in this e-mail and any attachments remains with us. Express Reinforcements Ltd. Registered in England No.1808624. Head Office: Fordwater Trading Estate, Ford Road, Chertsey, Surrey KT16 8HG To Visit our website go to http://www.ExpressReinforcements.co.uk This message has been checked for all known viruses by UUNET delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit http://www.uk.uu.net/products/security/virus/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] strange (alarming) informations from lm-sensors
The fan headers you don't have anything connected to, so don't worry about them. The VCore 2 I assume your machine does not use (do you have a P4 by athlon xp 1700+ any chance?). The -12v and -5v lines being way off probably means your PSU isn't supplying them, or is doing an extremely bad job of it. There is very, very little equipment around that uses these lines, so again, don't worry about them. The temp2 is quite high, I'd look into better cooling for your CPU. Unless the machine is stable in which case I wouldn't worry again I've lots of things in my box: 4 hdds, dvd, cd, zip, ... Could this be the explanation of the high temps and bad voltage? Should I take some things out? Add new fans? What would be the acceptable temperature for temp2? (and for hdds btw) -- mathieu perrenoud -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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I would also carefully read http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/cvs/lm_sensors2/doc/lm_sensors-FAQ.html It seems that the sensor readings may need to be tweaked quite a lot. Biker mathieu [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ch cc: (bcc: Gustav Schaffter/CDS/CG/CAPITAL) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] strange (alarming) informations from lm-sensors 25-09-2003 17:01 Please respond to gentoo-user The fan headers you don't have anything connected to, so don't worry about them. The VCore 2 I assume your machine does not use (do you have a P4 by athlon xp 1700+ any chance?). The -12v and -5v lines being way off probably means your PSU isn't supplying them, or is doing an extremely bad job of it. There is very, very little equipment around that uses these lines, so again, don't worry about them. The temp2 is quite high, I'd look into better cooling for your CPU. Unless the machine is stable in which case I wouldn't worry again I've lots of things in my box: 4 hdds, dvd, cd, zip, ... Could this be the explanation of the high temps and bad voltage? Should I take some things out? Add new fans? What would be the acceptable temperature for temp2? (and for hdds btw) -- mathieu perrenoud -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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athlon xp 1700+ Hmm. I took a guess at the CPU from the temp2, as you might have been overclocking a P4 and overvolting it to 1.85. 69 degrees is a bit hot for an XP I've lots of things in my box: 4 hdds, dvd, cd, zip, ... Could this be the explanation of the high temps and bad voltage? The voltages used by this equipment +5, +12, +3.3 are all extremely good, so theres no extreme power drain from them. 33c chassis temperature is also very good. Should I take some things out? No need Add new fans? If it's stable no. If you're paranoid about temperatures (which normally happens once someone finds out what the temperatures inside their machine is) then yes. To be honest I would try to get a better CPU cooler setup as personally I wouldn't be happy with 69c. What would be the acceptable temperature for temp2? (and for hdds btw) I tend to go by a 50c maximum. You're not getting the HD's temperatures with the lm sensor, you'll need a S.M.A.R.T monitoring program for that. On my Shuttle SS51G (P4 2.4 non-overclocked, 1 Seagate Barracuda IV 40G, 1 Barracuda V 120Gb), when I was running WinXP/2K, I used SpeedFan to monitor temperatures and adjust fan speed accordingly. On 1% fan speed I would achieve 49-50c CPU when idle, and 48-50c HDD. This made the fans completely inaudible. Once above 50c the fans would gradually speed up 5% a second to cool it down. This weekend I hope to have a go getting a similar setup on my Gentoo install (the Shuttles built in fan throttling won't throttle enough!), and I'm hoping it will be a simple case of getting the following http://member.melbpc.org.au/~iann/varyfan/ working! It might already be in portage, I don't know. _ Please Note: This e-mail is confidential and may be protected by law. This e-mail is intended solely for the named recipient(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, please destroy the copy in your possession immediately. Please do not disclose the contents to any other person, use information contained in it for any purpose, store or copy it. Although this e-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus, which might affect a computer system into which it is received and opened, Express Reinforcements Ltd. can not guarantee this and does not accept responsibility for any damage resulting from the use of this e-mail. Copyright in this e-mail and any attachments remains with us. Express Reinforcements Ltd. Registered in England No.1808624. Head Office: Fordwater Trading Estate, Ford Road, Chertsey, Surrey KT16 8HG To Visit our website go to http://www.ExpressReinforcements.co.uk This message has been checked for all known viruses by UUNET delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit http://www.uk.uu.net/products/security/virus/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] strange (alarming) informations from lm-sensors
Le Jeudi 25 Septembre 2003 17:08, Matthew Coulson a écrit : athlon xp 1700+ Hmm. I took a guess at the CPU from the temp2, as you might have been overclocking a P4 and overvolting it to 1.85. 69 degrees is a bit hot for an XP I've lots of things in my box: 4 hdds, dvd, cd, zip, ... Could this be the explanation of the high temps and bad voltage? The voltages used by this equipment +5, +12, +3.3 are all extremely good, so theres no extreme power drain from them. 33c chassis temperature is also very good. Should I take some things out? No need Add new fans? If it's stable no. If you're paranoid about temperatures (which normally happens once someone finds out what the temperatures inside their machine is) then yes. To be honest I would try to get a better CPU cooler setup as personally I wouldn't be happy with 69c. I'm not happy with 69C. But I have choosen a big fan when I buyed my PC. Could my fan be on the wrong side? Should it pull the hot air outside or blow cold air inside? Now my pc is totally idle but it's temperature is 70C. My HDD are now at 39C. What is a better cpu cooler setup? a better fan? What would be the acceptable temperature for temp2? (and for hdds btw) I tend to go by a 50c maximum. You're not getting the HD's temperatures with the lm sensor, you'll need a S.M.A.R.T monitoring program for that. On my Shuttle SS51G (P4 2.4 non-overclocked, 1 Seagate Barracuda IV 40G, 1 Barracuda V 120Gb), when I was running WinXP/2K, I used SpeedFan to monitor temperatures and adjust fan speed accordingly. On 1% fan speed I would achieve 49-50c CPU when idle, and 48-50c HDD. This made the fans completely inaudible. Once above 50c the fans would gradually speed up 5% a second to cool it down. This weekend I hope to have a go getting a similar setup on my Gentoo install (the Shuttles built in fan throttling won't throttle enough!), and I'm hoping it will be a simple case of getting the following http://member.melbpc.org.au/~iann/varyfan/ working! It might already be in portage, I don't know. # emerge -s varyfan Searching... [ Results for search key : varyfan ] [ Applications found : 0 ] sorry -- mathieu perrenoud -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Thursday 25 September 2003 11:52 am, mathieu wrote: I'm not happy with 69C. But I have choosen a big fan when I buyed my PC. Could my fan be on the wrong side? Should it pull the hot air outside or blow cold air inside? Assuming you have only 1 case fan, It should, in my opinion be sucking air into the box. Every power supply I've ever seen blows air out, so if you have 2 fans blowing out, you tend to create a vaccuum in the box.(yes, I know a PC case is not air tight) The air exchange would still be lower and heat would build up inside the case. Assuming you now have your case fan blowing out, try this experiment. Tape a small bit of paper to the case just above the power supply fan so that it hangs in front. (just tape it at the top. Notice how far the paper is moved out from the case by the air flow exiting the power supply. Reverse the direction of the case fan so that it now sucks air into the box. Replace the covers and check the piece of paper again. If, as I assume the paper stands out farther from the box, you have succeeded in increasing air flow and your processor will probably run some whatl cooler. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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The more fans the better! One fan should pull air into the box. However, just having fans doesn't mean you'll have adequate cooling. There may be dead spots inside the case where air doesn't circulate no matter how many fans you have. On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:52:34 -0400 Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 25 September 2003 11:52 am, mathieu wrote: I'm not happy with 69C. But I have choosen a big fan when I buyed my PC. Could my fan be on the wrong side? Should it pull the hot air outside or blow cold air inside? Assuming you have only 1 case fan, It should, in my opinion be sucking air into the box. Every power supply I've ever seen blows air out, so if you have 2 fans blowing out, you tend to create a vaccuum in the box.(yes, I know a PC case is not air tight) The air exchange would still be lower and heat would build up inside the case. Assuming you now have your case fan blowing out, try this experiment. Tape a small bit of paper to the case just above the power supply fan so that it hangs in front. (just tape it at the top. Notice how far the paper is moved out from the case by the air flow exiting the power supply. Reverse the direction of the case fan so that it now sucks air into the box. Replace the covers and check the piece of paper again. If, as I assume the paper stands out farther from the box, you have succeeded in increasing air flow and your processor will probably run some whatl cooler. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:59 pm, brett holcomb wrote: The more fans the better! One fan should pull air into the box. However, just having fans doesn't mean you'll have adequate cooling. There may be dead spots inside the case where air doesn't circulate no matter how many fans you have. Brett is absolutely right. It can't be too cool inside your case. But, there is the law of diminishing returns. At some point, the air inside your box gets so close in temperature to the ambient that more fans becomes a waste of money and power supply wattage. In my Athlon XP 2100+ box, the inside air temp stays at about 10 degrees C above ambient and the processor about 5 degrees C above that. Currently, CPU temp is 36 C inside air is 32 C and ambient is 23 C. I have 2 generic fans at the front of the box sucking air in and one at the rear blowing out. The CPU heatsink and fan are the basic AMD approved units that came with the processor. ($8 retail)The 450 Watt PSU is a dual fan unit that sucks air in from within the case and blows it out at the top rear. The dead spots that Brett mention can be the fault of a poorly designed case or, more commonly cables and other stuff obstructing air flow. The biggest culprits are the IDE cables. If not positioned properly they can cut air flow to the point where you can have 20 degree differences in temps in various spots within the case. The best bet is to buy the round jacketed cables, but these can severely destroy a budget. I tend to tuck extra length of my IDE cables into unused drive bays and rout them in places where they won't block air flow I hope this helps you some what. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Have you set up sensors.conf, and run sensors-detect? Also you need sensors -s or the proper init to load the settings. BillK On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 23:01, mathieu wrote: The fan headers you don't have anything connected to, so don't worry about them. The VCore 2 I assume your machine does not use (do you have a P4 by athlon xp 1700+ any chance?). The -12v and -5v lines being way off probably means your PSU isn't supplying them, or is doing an extremely bad job of it. There is very, very little equipment around that uses these lines, so again, don't worry about them. The temp2 is quite high, I'd look into better cooling for your CPU. Unless the machine is stable in which case I wouldn't worry again I've lots of things in my box: 4 hdds, dvd, cd, zip, ... Could this be the explanation of the high temps and bad voltage? Should I take some things out? Add new fans? What would be the acceptable temperature for temp2? (and for hdds btw) -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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thanks everybody for all your quick and useful answers ;-) (as always on the gentoo forum. that's (another) reason why I'm fond of gentoo). I've seen pictures of water-cooled boxes and that sort of things. I'just want to have a quiet and normal heated PC. No need to do supra-conduction at 3°K. When I talk about wrong-sided fan, I meant the cpu cooler. I've turned it around. But the temp is still the same (67°C now). My case is an enermax and it's true that I've a lot of IDE cables around. So what do I do now? My main goal is to have a quiet PC. My TV is in the same room. I want to be able to hear tv while make modules-ing, make bzImage-ing and emerge world-ing. I don't have any case fan and after all your answers I guess that the first thing I should do is buy one and use it to pull air inside. thanks again for everything Brett is absolutely right. It can't be too cool inside your case. But, there is the law of diminishing returns. At some point, the air inside your box gets so close in temperature to the ambient that more fans becomes a waste of money and power supply wattage. In my Athlon XP 2100+ box, the inside air temp stays at about 10 degrees C above ambient and the processor about 5 degrees C above that. Currently, CPU temp is 36 C inside air is 32 C and ambient is 23 C. I have 2 generic fans at the front of the box sucking air in and one at the rear blowing out. The CPU heatsink and fan are the basic AMD approved units that came with the processor. ($8 retail)The 450 Watt PSU is a dual fan unit that sucks air in from within the case and blows it out at the top rear. The dead spots that Brett mention can be the fault of a poorly designed case or, more commonly cables and other stuff obstructing air flow. The biggest culprits are the IDE cables. If not positioned properly they can cut air flow to the point where you can have 20 degree differences in temps in various spots within the case. The best bet is to buy the round jacketed cables, but these can severely destroy a budget. I tend to tuck extra length of my IDE cables into unused drive bays and rout them in places where they won't block air flow I hope this helps you some what. -- mathieu -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] strange (alarming) informations from lm-sensors
You don't need liquid nitrogen or water G. Get a decent case fan - good quality bearings and motor and install it first. You definitely need a case fan. Also rearrange your cables so they don't block airflow. Then see what happens. On Thursday 25 September 2003 19:10, you wrote: thanks everybody for all your quick and useful answers ;-) (as always on the gentoo forum. that's (another) reason why I'm fond of gentoo). I've seen pictures of water-cooled boxes and that sort of things. I'just want to have a quiet and normal heated PC. No need to do supra-conduction at 3°K. When I talk about wrong-sided fan, I meant the cpu cooler. I've turned it around. But the temp is still the same (67°C now). My case is an enermax and it's true that I've a lot of IDE cables around. So what do I do now? My main goal is to have a quiet PC. My TV is in the same room. I want to be able to hear tv while make modules-ing, make bzImage-ing and emerge world-ing. I don't have any case fan and after all your answers I guess that the first thing I should do is buy one and use it to pull air inside. thanks again for everything Brett is absolutely right. It can't be too cool inside your case. But, there is the law of diminishing returns. At some point, the air inside your box gets so close in temperature to the ambient that more fans becomes a waste of money and power supply wattage. In my Athlon XP 2100+ box, the inside air temp stays at about 10 degrees C above ambient and the processor about 5 degrees C above that. Currently, CPU temp is 36 C inside air is 32 C and ambient is 23 C. I have 2 generic fans at the front of the box sucking air in and one at the rear blowing out. The CPU heatsink and fan are the basic AMD approved units that came with the processor. ($8 retail)The 450 Watt PSU is a dual fan unit that sucks air in from within the case and blows it out at the top rear. The dead spots that Brett mention can be the fault of a poorly designed case or, more commonly cables and other stuff obstructing air flow. The biggest culprits are the IDE cables. If not positioned properly they can cut air flow to the point where you can have 20 degree differences in temps in various spots within the case. The best bet is to buy the round jacketed cables, but these can severely destroy a budget. I tend to tuck extra length of my IDE cables into unused drive bays and rout them in places where they won't block air flow I hope this helps you some what. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
