Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
Sorry, I don't know how to solve your problem, but you sure didn't solve it as your mail has a tiemstamp of 11/25 1:37 am being 11/24 8:46 here :) Marianne Taylor wrote: On November 19, 2003 18:12, David Friggens wrote: * Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-19 09:39]: Marianne Taylor wrote: Does anyone know the answer to my original question. Up until about a month ago I was keeping good time both in windows and in gentoo with my hwclock set to local. Now for some reason everytime I boot gentoo it thinks that the hwclock is set to UTC and corrects for that ie) it sets the time 8 hrs earlier. So where do I look other than rc.conf to correct this?? If at some point in the past, you booted the system with UTC in /etc/rc.conf and then switched it to LOCAL and shut your system down. It saved the offset time as the local time. Essentially, your system clock was set back 8 hours. The only fix is to manually update the time yourself using 'date'. And then deleting /etc/adjusttime ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list I have sort of solved my problem, but not completely. My link to my time zone at /etc/localtime had disappeared, when I re did that and deleted /etc/adjtime my system was back to normal. After rebooting again today, however again the /etc/localtime link had disappeared. Any suggestions as to why this keeps getting deleted? Is there anyway to track what program is deleting it? Thanks I am very close. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On November 24, 2003 03:46, Lucas Sallovitz wrote: Sorry, I don't know how to solve your problem, but you sure didn't solve it as your mail has a tiemstamp of 11/25 1:37 am being 11/24 8:46 here :) Well the e-mail that left here had the proper time on it, which was 20:37 last evening. I don't have a local mail server for outgoing mail, so if the time is getting screwed up it is after it leaves here. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On November 25, 2003 08:03, Marianne Taylor wrote: On November 24, 2003 03:46, Lucas Sallovitz wrote: Sorry, I don't know how to solve your problem, but you sure didn't solve it as your mail has a tiemstamp of 11/25 1:37 am being 11/24 8:46 here :) Well the e-mail that left here had the proper time on it, which was 20:37 last evening. I don't have a local mail server for outgoing mail, so if the time is getting screwed up it is after it leaves here. OOOps!! My bad. Correct time on my system, but with all the changes and rebooting the date was one day ahead. corrected now. I did notice when changing it with the kde tool kcmshell clock that it was changing the time zone to UTC -- I think this was likely causing my troubles yesterday. I think someone else mentioned that on the list yesterday. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On November 19, 2003 18:12, David Friggens wrote: * Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-19 09:39]: Marianne Taylor wrote: Does anyone know the answer to my original question. Up until about a month ago I was keeping good time both in windows and in gentoo with my hwclock set to local. Now for some reason everytime I boot gentoo it thinks that the hwclock is set to UTC and corrects for that ie) it sets the time 8 hrs earlier. So where do I look other than rc.conf to correct this?? If at some point in the past, you booted the system with UTC in /etc/rc.conf and then switched it to LOCAL and shut your system down. It saved the offset time as the local time. Essentially, your system clock was set back 8 hours. The only fix is to manually update the time yourself using 'date'. And then deleting /etc/adjusttime ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list I have sort of solved my problem, but not completely. My link to my time zone at /etc/localtime had disappeared, when I re did that and deleted /etc/adjtime my system was back to normal. After rebooting again today, however again the /etc/localtime link had disappeared. Any suggestions as to why this keeps getting deleted? Is there anyway to track what program is deleting it? Thanks I am very close. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On November 18, 2003 09:43, A. Craig West wrote: On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Javier Gostling wrote: Actually, Windows assumes the hw clock to be set to local time, so if you set Linux to UTC, then Linux will mess your time. I had this happen some time ago, and instructing Linux that the hw clock is in local time solved the issue. I've never really understood why it is that Microsoft does not allow a UTC hardware clock. Because of daylight savings time, having the hardware clock set to localtime causes the actual hardware clock to be reset twice a year. This can result in flakiness with any process that happened to be waiting for a time to occur at that instant. My solution, which isn't particularly good, is to run any dual boot machines in UTC and tell windows that my timezone is Greenwich Mean Time, and set it to not adjust the clock for daylight savings. I would rather have to deal with times in GMT than have random intermittent flakiness. Now that we are done the debate on M$ vs. linux I hope? Does anyone know the answer to my original question. Up until about a month ago I was keeping good time both in windows and in gentoo with my hwclock set to local. Now for some reason everytime I boot gentoo it thinks that the hwclock is set to UTC and corrects for that ie) it sets the time 8 hrs earlier. So where do I look other than rc.conf to correct this?? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
It wasn't a debate on MS vs Linux - someone gave wrong advice so several corrected that so you didn't go barking up the wrong tree. You might try man hwclock (if I remember correctly as my Gentoo machine is not available) allows you to update the system clock with what you have set. I had to do that on a machine that didn't keep time. On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:20:11 -0800 Marianne Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On November 18, 2003 09:43, A. Craig West wrote: On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Javier Gostling wrote: Actually, Windows assumes the hw clock to be set to local time, so if you Now that we are done the debate on M$ vs. linux I hope? Does anyone know the answer to my original question. Up until about a month ago I was keeping good time both in windows and in gentoo with my hwclock set to local. Now for some reason everytime I boot gentoo it thinks that the hwclock is set to UTC and corrects for that ie) it sets the time 8 hrs earlier. So where do I look other than rc.conf to correct this?? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
Marianne Taylor wrote: Does anyone know the answer to my original question. Up until about a month ago I was keeping good time both in windows and in gentoo with my hwclock set to local. Now for some reason everytime I boot gentoo it thinks that the hwclock is set to UTC and corrects for that ie) it sets the time 8 hrs earlier. So where do I look other than rc.conf to correct this?? If at some point in the past, you booted the system with UTC in /etc/rc.conf and then switched it to LOCAL and shut your system down. It saved the offset time as the local time. Essentially, your system clock was set back 8 hours. The only fix is to manually update the time yourself using 'date'. Usage: date [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On Wednesday 19 Nov 2003 07:20, Marianne Taylor wrote: Now that we are done the debate on M$ vs. linux I hope? Does anyone know the answer to my original question. Up until about a month ago I was keeping good time both in windows and in gentoo with my hwclock set to local. Now for some reason everytime I boot gentoo it thinks that the hwclock is set to UTC and corrects for that ie) it sets the time 8 hrs earlier. So where do I look other than rc.conf to correct this?? $ grep RTC /usr/src/linux/.config # CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT is not set CONFIG_RTC=m Peter -- == Portage 2.0.49-r15 (default-x86-1.4, gcc-3.2.3, glibc-2.3.2-r3, 2.4.23_pre8-gss) i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ == -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
Peter Ruskin wrote: On Wednesday 19 Nov 2003 07:20, Marianne Taylor wrote: Now that we are done the debate on M$ vs. linux I hope? Does anyone know the answer to my original question. Up until about a month ago I was keeping good time both in windows and in gentoo with my hwclock set to local. Now for some reason everytime I boot gentoo it thinks that the hwclock is set to UTC and corrects for that ie) it sets the time 8 hrs earlier. So where do I look other than rc.conf to correct this?? $ grep RTC /usr/src/linux/.config # CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT is not set CONFIG_RTC=m Why would the real-time-clock have anything to do with the system date? That is for another purpose altogether. Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
Does anyone know the answer to my original question. Up until about a month ago I was keeping good time both in windows and in gentoo with my hwclock set to local. Now for some reason everytime I boot gentoo it thinks that the hwclock is set to UTC and corrects for that ie) it sets the time 8 hrs earlier. So where do I look other than rc.conf to correct this?? sorry, I didn't follow the thread, but what is your /etc/localtime linking to? -- mathieu -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On November 18, 2003, Marianne Taylor wrote: Does anyone know the answer to my original question. Up until about a month ago I was keeping good time both in windows and in gentoo with my hwclock set to local. Now for some reason everytime I boot gentoo it thinks that the hwclock is set to UTC and corrects for that ie) it sets the time 8 hrs earlier. So where do I look other than rc.conf to correct this?? I didn't see your original mail so I'm not quite sure what it is you want but in case this is of any interest: on a multi-system box I got, the systems all have an ntp client to check the proper time, all from the same server. The local time has to be right of course, in my case it's: # ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Stockholm /etc/localtime Cheers, Helgi Örn -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
* Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-19 09:39]: Marianne Taylor wrote: Does anyone know the answer to my original question. Up until about a month ago I was keeping good time both in windows and in gentoo with my hwclock set to local. Now for some reason everytime I boot gentoo it thinks that the hwclock is set to UTC and corrects for that ie) it sets the time 8 hrs earlier. So where do I look other than rc.conf to correct this?? If at some point in the past, you booted the system with UTC in /etc/rc.conf and then switched it to LOCAL and shut your system down. It saved the offset time as the local time. Essentially, your system clock was set back 8 hours. The only fix is to manually update the time yourself using 'date'. And then deleting /etc/adjusttime ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On November 17, 2003 21:57, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 16:10, Marianne Taylor wrote: My system ie hwclock is set to the local time. But each time I reboot my system clock is set to 8 hrs before my hwclock. Somewhere my system seems to be correcting for Greenwich time, but I can't figure out where. In rc.conf I have the clock set to local time. Where else can I look for this problem. I don't want to keep correcting this. Any chance it's a dual-boot w/ Windows? Windows doesn't treat time correctly. Yes it is, but I am pretty sure until the last month that this system was keeping the correct time. Perhaps it dates back to the last time I did an update of the baselayout? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
I've no idea what Windows doesn't treat time correctly means. I've been dual booting for years and only have problems when I do something dumb on the UNIX side (like not setting the /etc/localtime link) or sometimes under OpenBSD but I forget what the problem there is/was. Ric On 2003.11.17 23:57, Marianne Taylor wrote: On November 17, 2003 21:57, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 16:10, Marianne Taylor wrote: My system ie hwclock is set to the local time. But each time I reboot my system clock is set to 8 hrs before my hwclock. Somewhere my system seems to be correcting for Greenwich time, but I can't figure out where. In rc.conf I have the clock set to local time. Where else can I look for this problem. I don't want to keep correcting this. Any chance it's a dual-boot w/ Windows? Windows doesn't treat time correctly. Yes it is, but I am pretty sure until the last month that this system was keeping the correct time. Perhaps it dates back to the last time I did an update of the baselayout? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
-Original Message- From: Marianne Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock My system ie hwclock is set to the local time. But each time I reboot my system clock is set to 8 hrs before my hwclock. Somewhere my system seems to be correcting for Greenwich time, but I can't figure out where. In rc.conf I have the clock set to local time. Where else can I look for this problem. I don't want to keep correcting this. Marianne, I'm set up with UTC in /etc/rc.conf, have the right link to my time zone, and then run ntpd using UCLA as a clock. It works great. Consider running the ntpd daemon to keep the time very accurate. Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 09:02, Ric Messier wrote: I've no idea what Windows doesn't treat time correctly means. I've been dual booting for years and only have problems when I do something dumb on the UNIX side (like not setting the /etc/localtime link) or sometimes under OpenBSD but I forget what the problem there is/was. Ric It means that in my experience, if you don't have time set to UTC in Linux, every time you boot Windows it will mess your time up. I believe this may be because Windows leaves the hardware clock as UTC and sets its clock as an offset of that, while Linux sets the hardware clock as local time if it's set to do so. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On 2003.11.18 10:51, Donnie Berkholz wrote: It means that in my experience, if you don't have time set to UTC in Linux, every time you boot Windows it will mess your time up. I've never set my time to UTC under linux and Windows never messes my time up. Windows NT, Windows 2000 and Windows XP have all been perfect for dual booting. I don't think Windows makes such an assumption about the hardware clock. Certainly hasn't been my experience and would be a bit out of the ordinary for them. They may well assume that the hardware clock is set to Pacific time, though. :-) Ric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:08:51PM -0500, Ric Messier wrote: On 2003.11.18 10:51, Donnie Berkholz wrote: It means that in my experience, if you don't have time set to UTC in Linux, every time you boot Windows it will mess your time up. I've never set my time to UTC under linux and Windows never messes my time up. Windows NT, Windows 2000 and Windows XP have all been perfect for dual booting. I don't think Windows makes such an assumption about the hardware clock. Certainly hasn't been my experience and would be a bit out of the ordinary for them. They may well assume that the hardware clock is set to Pacific time, though. :-) Actually, Windows assumes the hw clock to be set to local time, so if you set Linux to UTC, then Linux will mess your time. I had this happen some time ago, and instructing Linux that the hw clock is in local time solved the issue. Cheers, -- Javier Gostling D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Javier Gostling wrote: Actually, Windows assumes the hw clock to be set to local time, so if you set Linux to UTC, then Linux will mess your time. I had this happen some time ago, and instructing Linux that the hw clock is in local time solved the issue. I've never really understood why it is that Microsoft does not allow a UTC hardware clock. Because of daylight savings time, having the hardware clock set to localtime causes the actual hardware clock to be reset twice a year. This can result in flakiness with any process that happened to be waiting for a time to occur at that instant. My solution, which isn't particularly good, is to run any dual boot machines in UTC and tell windows that my timezone is Greenwich Mean Time, and set it to not adjust the clock for daylight savings. I would rather have to deal with times in GMT than have random intermittent flakiness. -- Craig West Ph: (416) 666-1645 | It's not a bug, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | It's a feature... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
I get the same problem.. yes I'm dual booting with winxp.. and now it seems that if I try to fix the time in linux (KDE) The App crashes.. :-( Senectus Imagine a school with children that can read and write, but with teachers who cannot, and you have a metaphor of the Information Age in which we live. - Peter Cochrane From: Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:57:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from gentoo.org ([204.126.2.42]) by mc1-f7.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:57:06 -0800 Received: (qmail 1031 invoked by uid 1002); 18 Nov 2003 05:56:25 - Received: (qmail 15801 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 05:56:24 - X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG193Qw2Fpm5tnMPweeTZHA Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail gentoo-user.gentoo.org X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamxCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-35.5, required 5,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO, PGP_SIGNATURE_2, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN) Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2003 05:57:06.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBDBCDC0:01C3AD98] On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 16:10, Marianne Taylor wrote: My system ie hwclock is set to the local time. But each time I reboot my system clock is set to 8 hrs before my hwclock. Somewhere my system seems to be correcting for Greenwich time, but I can't figure out where. In rc.conf I have the clock set to local time. Where else can I look for this problem. I don't want to keep correcting this. Any chance it's a dual-boot w/ Windows? Windows doesn't treat time correctly. signature.asc _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
Windows doesn't use UTC for the hw clock. You set the BIOS to local time and windows works from there. Where things get messed up is when you set your hardware clock to UTC, tell Linux that and then dual boot. The time get's messed up by Windows. You might check the archives as there have been quite a few discussions on this very problem. IIRC the solution is to set the hw clock to local, set rc.conf to show that - or dump windows on the box G. On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:08:51 -0500 Ric Messier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2003.11.18 10:51, Donnie Berkholz wrote: It means that in my experience, if you don't have time set to UTC in Linux, every time you boot Windows it will mess your time up. I've never set my time to UTC under linux and Windows never messes my time up. Windows NT, Windows 2000 and Windows XP have all been perfect for dual booting. I don't think Windows makes such an assumption about the hardware clock. Certainly hasn't been my experience and would be a bit out of the ordinary for them. They may well assume that the hardware clock is set to Pacific time, though. :-) Ric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system time/hw clock
On Tuesday 18 Nov 2003 15:51, Donnie Berkholz wrote: It means that in my experience, if you don't have time set to UTC in Linux, every time you boot Windows it will mess your time up. That's strange Donnie, my experience is the reverse of that. I used to think it was the right thing to set time to UTC, but _that_ messed up my clock after booting Windows. Now I have time set to local; in kernel config I unset RTC stores time as GMT (I think that's the wording); and my bootloader chooses between Gentoo, Mandrake, Windows 98 and Windows XP. Time is always OK. Peter -- == Portage 2.0.49-r15 (default-x86-1.4, gcc-3.2.3, glibc-2.3.2-r3, 2.4.23_pre8-gss) i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ == -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
