RE: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
well i for one could never get the windows client to run On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 18:40, Rex Young wrote: > Okay. I am entirely too obsessed by this. I did what I > should have done months ago and looked around the AFS site > (www.openafs.org) and within 30 seconds find that there are > both client and server packages for Windows. So AFS can be > used to share files between Unix and Windows machines. Somebody mentioned CODA earlier. It seems to work between platforms as well: http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ -rex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
>> I vaguely remember from my days as a Win2K admin that it was >> available. >> However, I never installed it or used it. We used NFS to >> from DOS (yes, DOS) >> to VMS to move data from a gauging system. When we went to >> Windows the >> vendor updated the DOS to use MS networking. > I've seen it as a fairly expensive commercial offering, but I > don't think that win2k has it built in. Check out MS's ServicesForUnix: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/productinfo/features/whatsnew.asp Covered in this article: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/russel/october15.asp And here is a FAQ about Unix<->Windows: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;324539#9 Nick -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 01:35, Rex Young wrote: > > Let me know what you find. Maybe it was just Win2K server > > that had it. > > Microsoft's Unix tools for Windows has it. i tried them for a couple of days ago, and oh dear they aint good, its waste of hd, it doesent work with my 2.6.0-test11 kernel, and its so slow, it makes startup of windoze much slower, and it costs for a stable release, ouch! > > -rex > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
Redeeman wrote: i would say you should try nfs, it supports encryption too, and nfs is I'm already using NFS to share a backup partition from my desktop to my laptop. When i use this on my lan i feel ok, because the lan is beside a NAT. However very often i use this sharing fs from outside my lan and i was wondering about possbile encryption and security. The better way i found to implement it is through SSH, forwarding the ports. Is there another way to do this? Thanks primero. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Rex Young wrote: > > > I vaguely remember from my days as a Win2K admin that it was > > available. > > However, I never installed it or used it. We used NFS to > > from DOS (yes, DOS) > > to VMS to move data from a gauging system. When we went to > > Windows the > > vendor updated the DOS to use MS networking. > > I've seen it as a fairly expensive commercial offering, but I > don't think that win2k has it built in. > Microsoft offers a Unix toolkit that includes a PC-NFS offering. It likes a PC-NFS server to be able to do user mapping, though. Ric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Am Friday 12 December 2003 03:40 schrieb ext Rex Young: > Somebody mentioned CODA earlier. It seems to work between > platforms as well: Better forget about that. Coda is a fork of AFS 2. It adds to it rw replication and disconnected operation, but AFAIK the Windows port is not in a useable state (please correct me on that). OpenAFS, OTOH, may be too much for a simple private network. It's a distributed filesystem, which means that volumes can be spread over several servers, but on the client there's only one single mount (/afs) needed. And, since AFS does Kerberos authentication, one would need a Kerberos server, too. So, if you want to share just a handfull of volumes, NFS would be the best. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)151 1513 6954 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Cap Gemini Ernst & Young| Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.cgey.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: signature
RE: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
> Okay. I am entirely too obsessed by this. I did what I > should have done months ago and looked around the AFS site > (www.openafs.org) and within 30 seconds find that there are > both client and server packages for Windows. So AFS can be > used to share files between Unix and Windows machines. Somebody mentioned CODA earlier. It seems to work between platforms as well: http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ -rex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
> I'm currently using samba to share drives between windows > and linux systems. Works okay for the windows systems to > see the Linux drives. However, to share between Linux > sysetms I need something else. I am considering NFS and > noticed Gentoo has OpenAFS also. What are the advantages > and disadvantages of each. Okay. I am entirely too obsessed by this. I did what I should have done months ago and looked around the AFS site (www.openafs.org) and within 30 seconds find that there are both client and server packages for Windows. So AFS can be used to share files between Unix and Windows machines. So, can somebody expound on any downsides to using AFS? It looks somewhat more complex to set up. On the other hand, you're only setting up one network file system. -rex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:37 pm, brett holcomb wrote: > I'm currently using samba to share drives between windows > and linux systems. Works okay for the windows systems to > see the Linux drives. However, to share between Linux > sysetms I need something else. I am considering NFS and > noticed Gentoo has OpenAFS also. What are the advantages > and disadvantages of each. > NFS is a natural in Linux. We ran it for a few years, but eventually went samba. Our reasonig was Samba is much faster and windows NFS clients are all pretty much very exppensive and never really did justice to the NFS filesystem. As for AFS or OpenAFS, I'd really love to set one of these up someday and wring it out, but there simply is no time for that stuff anymore. I can't wait to see if anyone else here has better insight. Cheers. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&group=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 8:08pm up 72 days, 1:01, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
Great, I have a copy of that somewhere so I'll have to load it. On Thursday 11 December 2003 19:35, you wrote: > > Let me know what you find. Maybe it was just Win2K server > > that had it. > > Microsoft's Unix tools for Windows has it. > > -rex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 19:40, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > Let me know what you find. Maybe it was just Win2K server that had it. What you're looking for is Microsoft Services For Unix (SFU). They are currently beta testing v3.5 which is a free download. The stable version is 3.0 and is $99. It does NFS and a bunch of other things you'd expect from a *NIX box. I haven't used it myself (no Windows boxes to run it on), but I have heard good things about the NFS abilities. -- Thanks, Thomas Achtemichuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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I got a CD with a linux journal of a 30 day trial for the MS unix tools. I played around with it a bit, but was frustrated that it seemed to be neither a nice pointy-clicky windows program and not a clone of the NFS unix client, but something in between. There were a bunch of web pages that let you change things (kinda) and some binaries that weren't named nicely like "nfsd" or "nfs-client" or something. I got frustrated quickly and gave up, and tossed the cd :) I just run both SMB and NFS from my fileserver, and the windows xfers are a bit slower alan On 11-Dec-03, at 4:35 PM, Rex Young wrote: Let me know what you find. Maybe it was just Win2K server that had it. Microsoft's Unix tools for Windows has it. -rex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
> Let me know what you find. Maybe it was just Win2K server > that had it. Microsoft's Unix tools for Windows has it. -rex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
Let me know what you find. Maybe it was just Win2K server that had it. On Thursday 11 December 2003 19:12, you wrote: > > I vaguely remember from my days as a Win2K admin that it was > > available. > > However, I never installed it or used it. We used NFS to > > from DOS (yes, DOS) > > to VMS to move data from a gauging system. When we went to > > Windows the > > vendor updated the DOS to use MS networking. > > I've seen it as a fairly expensive commercial offering, but I > don't think that win2k has it built in. > > > other commerical stuff and you could probably run NFS under Cygwin. > > Thanks for the tip. I think I looked into this some time ago, > but found it problematic for some reason or another. I'll > look into it again. > > -rex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
> I vaguely remember from my days as a Win2K admin that it was > available. > However, I never installed it or used it. We used NFS to > from DOS (yes, DOS) > to VMS to move data from a gauging system. When we went to > Windows the > vendor updated the DOS to use MS networking. I've seen it as a fairly expensive commercial offering, but I don't think that win2k has it built in. > other commerical stuff and you could probably run NFS under Cygwin. Thanks for the tip. I think I looked into this some time ago, but found it problematic for some reason or another. I'll look into it again. -rex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
I vaguely remember from my days as a Win2K admin that it was available. However, I never installed it or used it. We used NFS to from DOS (yes, DOS) to VMS to move data from a gauging system. When we went to Windows the vendor updated the DOS to use MS networking. In short if it doesn't exist I'm claiming faulty memory but I remember being told it was available as part of Win2K. I know WRQ has an NFS as do some other commerical stuff and you could probably run NFS under Cygwin. On Thursday 11 December 2003 18:33, you wrote: > > looking for something meant for Linux. Since I have an XP > > machine I can > > install NFS on it,too. > > eh? Is this something built into the OS, Or something > you've added on? I use win2k for CAD work and would > find NFS on that machine quite useful. > > -rex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
> looking for something meant for Linux. Since I have an XP > machine I can > install NFS on it,too. eh? Is this something built into the OS, Or something you've added on? I use win2k for CAD work and would find NFS on that machine quite useful. -rex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
I can use samba but as far as I'm concerned samba exists to allow linux/unix to work with windows machines. I have to setup passwords for Linux and samba, the setting up of shares so linux can use them is a hassle. I'm looking for something meant for Linux. Since I have an XP machine I can install NFS on it,too. On Thursday 11 December 2003 17:04, you wrote: > Perhaps you could start with explaining why you can't use Samba to share > between Linux machines... If you have Samba support compiled into your > kernel, you can mount Samba shares as easily as an NFS share. > > > From: "brett holcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 23:04, John Arrowwood wrote: > Perhaps you could start with explaining why you can't use Samba to share > between Linux machines... If you have Samba support compiled into your > kernel, you can mount Samba shares as easily as an NFS share. my reasons are that i hate smb, i want to keep my permissions, nfs is WAY faster, and i have alot problems with smb. and i hate the way to make smb shares :D but i guess the only "real" reason to have is permissions and speed :) > > > >From: "brett holcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs? > >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:37:35 -0500 > > > >I'm currently using samba to share drives between windows and linux > >systems. Works okay for the windows systems to see the Linux drives. > >However, to share between Linux sysetms I need something else. I am > >considering NFS and noticed Gentoo has OpenAFS also. What are the > >advantages and disadvantages of each. > > > >Thanks. > > > >-- > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > > > _ > Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year six months > @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
Perhaps you could start with explaining why you can't use Samba to share between Linux machines... If you have Samba support compiled into your kernel, you can mount Samba shares as easily as an NFS share. From: "brett holcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs? Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:37:35 -0500 I'm currently using samba to share drives between windows and linux systems. Works okay for the windows systems to see the Linux drives. However, to share between Linux sysetms I need something else. I am considering NFS and noticed Gentoo has OpenAFS also. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each. Thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list _ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 19:44, brett holcomb wrote: > I've used NFS on a VMS/Windows situation a long time ago > and it worked well there. I was planning to do NFS but > was wondering what OpenAFS might have that would be > better. > i am not sure if this is right, but i have heard that coda is a fork of afs, and i tried coda, but got confused that you had a dir only, which you could share, maybe afs is like that too, but i am not sure, nfs just works perfect for me! :D i hope you get it running good! > Thanks. > > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:38:02 +0100 > Redeeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >i would say you should try nfs, it supports encryption > >too, and nfs is > >REALLY easy to use- > > > >On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 18:37, brett holcomb wrote: > >> I'm currently using samba to share drives between > >>windows > >> and linux systems. Works okay for the windows systems > >>to > >> see the Linux drives. However, to share between Linux > >> sysetms I need something else. I am considering NFS and > >> noticed Gentoo has OpenAFS also. What are the > >>advantages > >> and disadvantages of each. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> -- > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > >-- > >Regards, Redeeman > >() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > >/\- against microsoft attachments > > > > > > > >-- > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
I've used NFS on a VMS/Windows situation a long time ago and it worked well there. I was planning to do NFS but was wondering what OpenAFS might have that would be better. Thanks. On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:38:02 +0100 Redeeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i would say you should try nfs, it supports encryption too, and nfs is REALLY easy to use- On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 18:37, brett holcomb wrote: I'm currently using samba to share drives between windows and linux systems. Works okay for the windows systems to see the Linux drives. However, to share between Linux sysetms I need something else. I am considering NFS and noticed Gentoo has OpenAFS also. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each. Thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
i would say you should try nfs, it supports encryption too, and nfs is REALLY easy to use- On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 18:37, brett holcomb wrote: > I'm currently using samba to share drives between windows > and linux systems. Works okay for the windows systems to > see the Linux drives. However, to share between Linux > sysetms I need something else. I am considering NFS and > noticed Gentoo has OpenAFS also. What are the advantages > and disadvantages of each. > > Thanks. > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
Thanks. I'll check that out. On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:27:16 +0100 Oliver Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: brett holcomb wrote: else. I am considering NFS and noticed Gentoo has OpenAFS also. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each. If you don't copy tons of stuff (gigabytes each day), it might be an option just to install shfs. With this package you can mount your linux boxes into your file system just using ssh. That works very well and if you're also using key authorization, you won't even need to enter a password each time you mount your stuff. The caveeat is that everything gets encrypted at file transfer, at the cost of CPU load, but this is definately the easiest and absolute safest way to share your files. Nobody can ever snoop unencrypted samba passwords, snoop unencrypted data, not even in your LAN. With 100Mbit LAN, i had copying speeds of >5 MB/s (using blowfish instead if 3DES), compared to about 8.5 MB/s using samba. Not the hi-speed solution, but a real good alternative. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS vs AFS vs?
brett holcomb wrote: I'm currently using samba to share drives between windows and linux systems. Works okay for the windows systems to see the Linux drives. However, to share between Linux sysetms I need something else. I am considering NFS and noticed Gentoo has OpenAFS also. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each. If you don't copy tons of stuff (gigabytes each day), it might be an option just to install shfs. With this package you can mount your linux boxes into your file system just using ssh. That works very well and if you're also using key authorization, you won't even need to enter a password each time you mount your stuff. The caveeat is that everything gets encrypted at file transfer, at the cost of CPU load, but this is definately the easiest and absolute safest way to share your files. Nobody can ever snoop unencrypted samba passwords, snoop unencrypted data, not even in your LAN. With 100Mbit LAN, i had copying speeds of >5 MB/s (using blowfish instead if 3DES), compared to about 8.5 MB/s using samba. Not the hi-speed solution, but a real good alternative. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
