Re: [gentoo-user] qt blockages...

[Daniel Pielmeier]

2009/1/19 KH :
>
> This link was great help for me. Told me everything and how to read the
> blocker. So I did:
>
> #emerge -avC qt-4.3.3
> #emerge -DuavN world (This installed qt-4.4.2)
>
> But now I do have a problem. When I run
>
> #emerge --depclean -av
>
> I receive the following output:
> [snip]
 These are the packages that would be unmerged:
>
>  dev-db/sqlite
>selected: 2.8.16-r4
>   protected: none
> omitted: 3.6.6.2
>
>  x11-libs/qt
>selected: 4.4.2
>   protected: none
> omitted: 3.3.8b-r1
>
> [snip some other qt-split-packages]
>
> What did I miss? This results in an infinite circle of unmerging and
> emerging.
>

I don't think --with-bdeps will solve this issue as qt- packages are
no build-time-dependencies they are needed at runtime too.
Did the affected packages got installed by your previous emerge world
command. My guess is that depclean wants to remove this packages
because they are simply not needed by other packages. Did they really
get pulled in when doing another world update after removing the
packages?

Maybe checking again your world file or the files in
/etc/portage/package.* for something suspicious is a good idea here.

-- 
Regards,
Daniel

Re: [gentoo-user] qt blockages...

[KH]

Daniel Pielmeier schrieb:
> 2009/1/19 KH :
>   
>> This link was great help for me. Told me everything and how to read the
>> blocker. So I did:
>>
>> #emerge -avC qt-4.3.3
>> #emerge -DuavN world (This installed qt-4.4.2)
>>
>> But now I do have a problem. When I run
>>
>> #emerge --depclean -av
>>
>> I receive the following output:
>> [snip]
>> 
> These are the packages that would be unmerged:
>   
>>  dev-db/sqlite
>>selected: 2.8.16-r4
>>   protected: none
>> omitted: 3.6.6.2
>>
>>  x11-libs/qt
>>selected: 4.4.2
>>   protected: none
>> omitted: 3.3.8b-r1
>>
>> [snip some other qt-split-packages]
>>
>> What did I miss? This results in an infinite circle of unmerging and
>> emerging.
>>
>> 
>
> I don't think --with-bdeps will solve this issue as qt- packages are
> no build-time-dependencies they are needed at runtime too.
> Did the affected packages got installed by your previous emerge world
> command. My guess is that depclean wants to remove this packages
> because they are simply not needed by other packages. Did they really
> get pulled in when doing another world update after removing the
> packages?
>
> Maybe checking again your world file or the files in
> /etc/portage/package.* for something suspicious is a good idea here.
>
>   

Hi,

yes I had the blocker when running emerge -DuavN world . I unmerged
qt-4.3* and ran emerge -DuavN world again. That brought in the qt-4.4.2.
Tho investigate further:

equery d x11-libs/qt
[ Searching for packages depending on x11-libs/qt... ]
app-crypt/pinentry-0.7.5 (qt3? x11-libs/qt:3)
app-text/poppler-bindings-0.8.7 (qt3? >=x11-libs/qt-3.3:3)
(qt4? >=x11-libs/qt-4.3:4)
media-video/vlc-0.9.8a (qt4? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)
   (skins? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)
net-im/skype-2.0.0.63 (x86 & !qt-static? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)

Those are still depending on qt-4.3* but non are depending on 4.4.2.

I will try an emerge -1av skype to learn what it will depend on afterwards.

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] qt blockages...

[Daniel Pielmeier]

2009/1/20 KH :
>
> Hi,
>
> yes I had the blocker when running emerge -DuavN world . I unmerged
> qt-4.3* and ran emerge -DuavN world again. That brought in the qt-4.4.2.
> Tho investigate further:
>
> equery d x11-libs/qt
> [ Searching for packages depending on x11-libs/qt... ]
> app-crypt/pinentry-0.7.5 (qt3? x11-libs/qt:3)
> app-text/poppler-bindings-0.8.7 (qt3? >=x11-libs/qt-3.3:3)
>(qt4? >=x11-libs/qt-4.3:4)
> media-video/vlc-0.9.8a (qt4? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)
>   (skins? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)
> net-im/skype-2.0.0.63 (x86 & !qt-static? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)
>
> Those are still depending on qt-4.3* but non are depending on 4.4.2.
>

The output of equery is plain wrong. Take a look in the ebuilds to see
the real dependencies. All these apps have been ported to the qt-split
ebuilds already.

I did not ask about the blocker, instead I asked how the packages
affected by depclean got on your system? Maybe you did emerge
--oneshot qt or something similar. A world update wont pull in the
x11-libs/qt-4.4.2 meta ebuild as no ebuild in the tree should depend
directly on meta ebuilds. And again are they pulled in by emerge world
after removal. If yes this is either a bug or you something
misconfigured.

-- 
Regards,
Daniel

Re: [gentoo-user] qt blockages...

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:36:58 -0800, Nickolas Fortino wrote:

> using --with-bdeps=y would certainly work (and in the interest of full  
> disclosure is what I do), but it shouldn't be necessary.
> Having emerge --depclean remove build dependencies should be ok.
> Afterwards, emerge -avuDN world should do nothing, as although the
> build dependencies for packages are missing, the world packages
> themselves don't need rebuilding, so there is nothing to do.

depclean wouldn't remove them in the first place,because the default
setting for with-bdeps is y when using --depclean. Using thedefault just
means that build time dependencies won't be updated on a world update,
deep or otherwise, unless the package depending on them is updated.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Reboot America.


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Re: [gentoo-user] qt blockages...

[Nickolas Fortino]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:11 AM, KH wrote:

> Daniel Pielmeier schrieb:
> > 2009/1/19 KH :
> >
> >> This link was great help for me. Told me everything and how to read the
> >> blocker. So I did:
> >>
> >> #emerge -avC qt-4.3.3
> >> #emerge -DuavN world (This installed qt-4.4.2)
> >>
> >> But now I do have a problem. When I run
> >>
> >> #emerge --depclean -av
> >>
> >> I receive the following output:
> >> [snip]
> >>
> > These are the packages that would be unmerged:
> >
> >>  dev-db/sqlite
> >>selected: 2.8.16-r4
> >>   protected: none
> >> omitted: 3.6.6.2
> >>
> >>  x11-libs/qt
> >>selected: 4.4.2
> >>   protected: none
> >> omitted: 3.3.8b-r1
> >>
> >> [snip some other qt-split-packages]
> >>
> >> What did I miss? This results in an infinite circle of unmerging and
> >> emerging.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I don't think --with-bdeps will solve this issue as qt- packages are
> > no build-time-dependencies they are needed at runtime too.
> > Did the affected packages got installed by your previous emerge world
> > command. My guess is that depclean wants to remove this packages
> > because they are simply not needed by other packages. Did they really
> > get pulled in when doing another world update after removing the
> > packages?
> >
> > Maybe checking again your world file or the files in
> > /etc/portage/package.* for something suspicious is a good idea here.
> >
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> yes I had the blocker when running emerge -DuavN world . I unmerged
> qt-4.3* and ran emerge -DuavN world again. That brought in the qt-4.4.2.
> Tho investigate further:
>
> equery d x11-libs/qt
> [ Searching for packages depending on x11-libs/qt... ]
> app-crypt/pinentry-0.7.5 (qt3? x11-libs/qt:3)
> app-text/poppler-bindings-0.8.7 (qt3? >=x11-libs/qt-3.3:3)
>(qt4? >=x11-libs/qt-4.3:4)
> media-video/vlc-0.9.8a (qt4? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)
>   (skins? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)
> net-im/skype-2.0.0.63 (x86 & !qt-static? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)
>
> Those are still depending on qt-4.3* but non are depending on 4.4.2.
>
> I will try an emerge -1av skype to learn what it will depend on afterwards.
>
> kh
>
> You seem to have missed the point of this upgrade. The qt packages were
split, as the single qt package was huge, without good reason. The ideal
sequence of events (as I understand it) was:
1. qt-4.3.3 and split packages given mutual exclusion depends.
2. All packages depending on qt-4.3.3 get updated to having an || dependency
between qt-4.3.3 and the correct split components.
3. split components stabilized, and qt-4.3.3 simultaneously masked (thus, no
blockages, everyone upgrades)
4. qt-4.4.2 kept around for backward compatibility/badly formed e-builds,
but is only a virtual package (check it out, it only has dependencies)

Somehow, 2 didn't get finished, causing the masking in 3 to get dropped,
hence the blocking.
Nothing should ever need to depend on qt-4.4, as only needed components
should be pulled in.
Reference: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=248038

As has been pointed out, equery d is not a good indicator of dependency. Use
emerge -pv --depclean  for a real indication (equery does a grep of
the ebuild file, emerge only reports active dependencies, which is what most
people care about. I've been tempted to file a bug for a while, but this
seems to be the accepted behavior).

Nick

Re: [gentoo-user] qt blockages...

[KH]

Nickolas Fortino schrieb:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:11 AM, KH  > wrote:
>
> Daniel Pielmeier schrieb:
> > 2009/1/19 KH  >:
> >
> >> This link was great help for me. Told me everything and how to
> read the
> >> blocker. So I did:
> >>
> >> #emerge -avC qt-4.3.3
> >> #emerge -DuavN world (This installed qt-4.4.2)
> >>
> >> But now I do have a problem. When I run
> >>
> >> #emerge --depclean -av
> >>
> >> I receive the following output:
> >> [snip]
> >>
> > These are the packages that would be unmerged:
> >
> >>  dev-db/sqlite
> >>selected: 2.8.16-r4
> >>   protected: none
> >> omitted: 3.6.6.2
> >>
> >>  x11-libs/qt
> >>selected: 4.4.2
> >>   protected: none
> >> omitted: 3.3.8b-r1
> >>
> >> [snip some other qt-split-packages]
> >>
> >> What did I miss? This results in an infinite circle of
> unmerging and
> >> emerging.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I don't think --with-bdeps will solve this issue as qt- packages are
> > no build-time-dependencies they are needed at runtime too.
> > Did the affected packages got installed by your previous emerge
> world
> > command. My guess is that depclean wants to remove this packages
> > because they are simply not needed by other packages. Did they
> really
> > get pulled in when doing another world update after removing the
> > packages?
> >
> > Maybe checking again your world file or the files in
> > /etc/portage/package.* for something suspicious is a good idea here.
> >
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> yes I had the blocker when running emerge -DuavN world . I unmerged
> qt-4.3* and ran emerge -DuavN world again. That brought in the
> qt-4.4.2.
> Tho investigate further:
>
> equery d x11-libs/qt
> [ Searching for packages depending on x11-libs/qt... ]
> app-crypt/pinentry-0.7.5 (qt3? x11-libs/qt:3)
> app-text/poppler-bindings-0.8.7 (qt3? >=x11-libs/qt-3.3:3)
>(qt4? >=x11-libs/qt-4.3:4)
> media-video/vlc-0.9.8a (qt4? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)
>   (skins? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)
> net-im/skype-2.0.0.63 (x86 & !qt-static? =x11-libs/qt-4.3*:4)
>
> Those are still depending on qt-4.3* but non are depending on 4.4.2.
>
> I will try an emerge -1av skype to learn what it will depend on
> afterwards.
>
> kh
>
> You seem to have missed the point of this upgrade. The qt packages
> were split, as the single qt package was huge, without good reason.
> The ideal sequence of events (as I understand it) was:
> 1. qt-4.3.3 and split packages given mutual exclusion depends.
> 2. All packages depending on qt-4.3.3 get updated to having an ||
> dependency between qt-4.3.3 and the correct split components.
> 3. split components stabilized, and qt-4.3.3 simultaneously masked
> (thus, no blockages, everyone upgrades)
> 4. qt-4.4.2 kept around for backward compatibility/badly formed
> e-builds, but is only a virtual package (check it out, it only has
> dependencies)
>
> Somehow, 2 didn't get finished, causing the masking in 3 to get
> dropped, hence the blocking.
> Nothing should ever need to depend on qt-4.4, as only needed
> components should be pulled in.
> Reference: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=248038
>
> As has been pointed out, equery d is not a good indicator of
> dependency. Use emerge -pv --depclean  for a real indication
> (equery does a grep of the ebuild file, emerge only reports active
> dependencies, which is what most people care about. I've been tempted
> to file a bug for a while, but this seems to be the accepted behavior).
>
> Nick
>
So I just did an new emerge --sync what solved the problem. qt-4.4.2 is
unmerged by depclean and world is not bringing it in again.

Thanks for all the help

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange dependency of kopete-3.5.9 on qt-4*

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday 19 January 2009 17:33:11 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Monday 19 January 2009 18:51:50 Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
> > Something odd is going on again.
>
> I suspect kopete-4.x got pulled into your emerge and it slipped past your
> radar.

Quite possible.

> Does grep -r "kopete" /etc/portage/*
>
> reveal anything about kopete-4?

No; kopete isn't mentioned at all in /etc/portage/* or /etc/make.conf.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange dependency of kopete-3.5.9 on qt-4*

[Norberto Bensa]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:

>
> I suspect kopete-4.x got pulled into your emerge and it slipped past your
> radar.


But then OP should see kdelibs-4 installed (?)

Re: [gentoo-user] qt blockages...

[Mick]

2009/1/19 Dave Jones :
> Mick wrote on 19/01/09 11:31:

>> Unfortunately mine is not as easy:
>> ==
[snip ...]
>> ==
>>
>> I am running vlc-0.9.8a which is the only one available.  How could I
>> go about this?
>>
>
> I had a similar problem here.
>
> emerge -C qt-4.3.3
> emerge -auDNv1 qt
> emerge -av vlc
> emerge -auDNv world
>
> Did the trick for me.

Thank you Dave!  :)

This worked a treat.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] x11-libs/wxGTK-2.8.9.1-r3 fails to emerge

[Mick]

2009/1/19 Dirk Heinrichs :
> Am Montag, den 19.01.2009, 14:12 +0100 schrieb ext Justin:
>
>> > MAKEFLAGS, not CFLAGS.
>> >
>> >
>> MAKEFLAGS? Do you mean MAKEOPTS? Or am I missing another nice variable
>> to set?
>
> Yes, MAKEOPTS. I think we got it know :-)

Thank you all, this had me on the ropes for a while.  It transpired
that I had only 120K or so available on / and after I cleaned out
ccache and some redundant files it compiled cleanly.  I would expect
the error to be "no space left on device" as is typically the case,
but from what you've seen no such message was shown.

Either way, problem solved.  Thanks again.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Trouble decrypting message from firefox ebuild

[Stroller]

On 19 Jan 2009, at 20:36, Grant Edwards wrote:


On 2009-01-19, Allan Gottlieb  wrote:


I would favor the original (with Alan McKinnon's change).  It is
somewhat wordy but this issue has caused several users grief and the
(admittedly repetitive) original wording makes it very clear what  
must

be done and gives some idea of what caused the change.


Being somewhat repetitive was was intentional. It's sort of
like the redundant information in an error-correction code. It
reduces the liklyhood of being misunderstood -


It's also more likely to get skipped over & to cause busy  
administrators' eyes to glaze over.


I'm all for being explicit, but verbosity for its own sake is not  
beneficial - with excessively long messages I often tend to find that  
I have to read them over several times to make sure I'm understanding  
it properly. "WTF?!?! Are you REALLY telling me the same thing three  
times?"


A short concise note is more likely to make sense and get the point  
across. Assuming it is written in English - which the original, of  
course, was not - a short note will feel logical to the reader and he  
or she will know immediately how to respond to it.


But, hey! It's your bug. File it. The longer it's left unfiled the  
less relevant this discussion becomes. You asked for opinions - just  
make sure the subject line of your bug report explains the problem  
clearly ;). "ewarn message is poor English, doesn't make sense" is my  
best suggestion.


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Append string on Kernel builds

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:43:56 -0600, rea...@newsguy.com wrote:

> I like to use that and put `-$MYHOST' as string.  I wondered if there
> is any way to set a numericly incrementing string.  Maybe some trick
> syntax that can go in that spot?

cd /usr/src/linux
echo "-${MYHOST}-" >localversion1
ln -s .version localversion2

The build system adds the contents of any localversion* files it finds,
and it also increments .version.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Electrocution, n.:
Burning at the stake with all the modern improvements.


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[gentoo-user] how to start thunderbird/firefox in a different language?

[zhangweiwu]

Hello. I have

zhangwe...@esmeralda:~$ grep --invert-match ^# /etc/locale.gen

zh_CN.UTF-8 UTF-8
en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8


For most applications, I can start it in any language I wish to use.
e.g. if I want to start abiword in en_US, I can do this:

zhangwe...@esmeralda:~$ LANG=en_US abiword

However this method doesn't work for firefox and thunderbird. Both
always starts in German (note German is the last, a.k.a. least preferred
language for me, in /etc/locale.gen)

I checked that I do have thunderbird installed with linguas_en_US (see
below emerge output). If it is installed with that language version, it
should be able to run in that language version. How can I start
thunderbird in en_US?

zhangwe...@esmeralda:~$ sudo emerge -pv mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird-2.0.0.19  USE="crypt ipv6 ldap 
replytolist xinerama xprint -bindist -debug -gnome -mozdom -moznopango" 
LINGUAS="de en_US -af -be -bg -ca -cs -da -el -en -en_GB -es -es_AR -es_ES -eu 
-fi -fr -ga -ga_IE -he -hu -it -ja -ko -lt -mk -nb -nb_NO -nl -nn -nn_NO -pa 
-pa_IN -pl -pt -pt_BR -pt_PT -ru -sk -sl -sv -sv_SE -tr -uk -zh -zh_CN -zh_TW" 
0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB

Re: [gentoo-user] how to start thunderbird/firefox in a different language?

[Nick Cunningham]

2009/1/20 

> Hello. I have
>
> zhangwe...@esmeralda:~$ grep --invert-match ^# /etc/locale.gen
>
> zh_CN.UTF-8 UTF-8
> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
> de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8
>
>
> For most applications, I can start it in any language I wish to use.
> e.g. if I want to start abiword in en_US, I can do this:
>
> zhangwe...@esmeralda:~$ LANG=en_US abiword
>
> However this method doesn't work for firefox and thunderbird. Both
> always starts in German (note German is the last, a.k.a. least preferred
> language for me, in /etc/locale.gen)
>
> I checked that I do have thunderbird installed with linguas_en_US (see
> below emerge output). If it is installed with that language version, it
> should be able to run in that language version. How can I start
> thunderbird in en_US?
>
> zhangwe...@esmeralda:~$ sudo emerge -pv mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild   R   ] mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird-2.0.0.19  USE="crypt ipv6
> ldap replytolist xinerama xprint -bindist -debug -gnome -mozdom -moznopango"
> LINGUAS="de en_US -af -be -bg -ca -cs -da -el -en -en_GB -es -es_AR -es_ES
> -eu -fi -fr -ga -ga_IE -he -hu -it -ja -ko -lt -mk -nb -nb_NO -nl -nn -nn_NO
> -pa -pa_IN -pl -pt -pt_BR -pt_PT -ru -sk -sl -sv -sv_SE -tr -uk -zh -zh_CN
> -zh_TW" 0 kB
>
> Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
>
>
>
>
Im not sure how to solve your problem, but you should know that
/etc/locale.gen isnt used by the system to determine what language to use,
its only used by glibc to provide the relevant language support within glibc
only.

To set system wide language preferences you need to edit your environment
variables using /etc/env.d/02locale, for some useful info see this guide:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml

It may not fix your problem but it should help you at least ensure your
system is setup correctly for the languages you want to use.

- Nick

Re: [gentoo-user] how to start thunderbird/firefox in a different language?

[Peter Alfredsen]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:55:58 +0800
zhangwe...@realss.com wrote:

> I checked that I do have thunderbird installed with linguas_en_US (see
> below emerge output). If it is installed with that language version,
> it should be able to run in that language version. How can I start
> thunderbird in en_US?

In Firefox-3, it's done like this:
go to about:config
filter for general.useragent.locale
Right-click, then modify so it contains en-US
restart firefox.

It's probably something similar for Thunderbird.

/PA

[gentoo-user] VMware-Workstation 6.5.0, 6.5.1 problem

[John Smith]

Hello,

I can't get vmware-workstation to work properly.

I've tried vmware-workstation 6.5.0 and 6.5.1. Either one crashes when
clicking the "Create a new virtual machine" button. It gives no error
nothing it just quits the program.
The user is in the vmware group. Everything seems to work fine except
"Create a new virtual machine" button.

Any suggestion how can i get any debug output or something.
**

Re: [gentoo-user] how to start thunderbird/firefox in a different language?

[KH]

zhangwe...@realss.com schrieb:
> Hello. I have
>
> zhangwe...@esmeralda:~$ grep --invert-match ^# /etc/locale.gen
>
> zh_CN.UTF-8 UTF-8
> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
> de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8
>
>
> For most applications, I can start it in any language I wish to use.
> e.g. if I want to start abiword in en_US, I can do this:
>
> zhangwe...@esmeralda:~$ LANG=en_US abiword
>
> However this method doesn't work for firefox and thunderbird. Both
> always starts in German (note German is the last, a.k.a. least preferred
> language for me, in /etc/locale.gen)
>
> I checked that I do have thunderbird installed with linguas_en_US (see
> below emerge output). If it is installed with that language version, it
> should be able to run in that language version. How can I start
> thunderbird in en_US?
>
> zhangwe...@esmeralda:~$ sudo emerge -pv mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild   R   ] mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird-2.0.0.19  USE="crypt ipv6 
> ldap replytolist xinerama xprint -bindist -debug -gnome -mozdom -moznopango" 
> LINGUAS="de en_US -af -be -bg -ca -cs -da -el -en -en_GB -es -es_AR -es_ES 
> -eu -fi -fr -ga -ga_IE -he -hu -it -ja -ko -lt -mk -nb -nb_NO -nl -nn -nn_NO 
> -pa -pa_IN -pl -pt -pt_BR -pt_PT -ru -sk -sl -sv -sv_SE -tr -uk -zh -zh_CN 
> -zh_TW" 0 kB
>
> Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
>   
Hi,

you can define something in /etc/portage/package.use

app-office/openoffice linguas_de -linguas_en -linguas_en_GB

My example results in an only German oo.

This might be useless for you if you which to change the language every
5 mins, but it might be usable if you want to change for permanent.

kh

[gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Grant Edwards]

I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
got a decent hard drive (160GB).

I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
like TuxRacer.

I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

-- 
Grant Edwards   grante Yow! I just remembered
  at   something about a TOAD!
   visi.com

Re: [gentoo-user] VMware-Workstation 6.5.0, 6.5.1 problem

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM, John Smith  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I can't get vmware-workstation to work properly.
>
> I've tried vmware-workstation 6.5.0 and 6.5.1. Either one crashes when
> clicking the "Create a new virtual machine" button. It gives no error
> nothing it just quits the program.
> The user is in the vmware group. Everything seems to work fine except
> "Create a new virtual machine" button.
>
> Any suggestion how can i get any debug output or something.
>

If you run it from a terminal does it show any output there when it crashes?

Re: [gentoo-user] VMware-Workstation 6.5.0, 6.5.1 problem

[John Smith]

Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM, John Smith  wrote:
>   
>> Hello,
>>
>> I can't get vmware-workstation to work properly.
>>
>> I've tried vmware-workstation 6.5.0 and 6.5.1. Either one crashes when
>> clicking the "Create a new virtual machine" button. It gives no error
>> nothing it just quits the program.
>> The user is in the vmware group. Everything seems to work fine except
>> "Create a new virtual machine" button.
>>
>> Any suggestion how can i get any debug output or something.
>>
>> 
>
> If you run it from a terminal does it show any output there when it crashes?
>
>   
Nothing no error not even any kind of message.

Re: [gentoo-user] VMware-Workstation 6.5.0, 6.5.1 problem

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:53 AM, John Smith  wrote:
> Paul Hartman wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM, John Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I can't get vmware-workstation to work properly.
>>>
>>> I've tried vmware-workstation 6.5.0 and 6.5.1. Either one crashes when
>>> clicking the "Create a new virtual machine" button. It gives no error
>>> nothing it just quits the program.
>>> The user is in the vmware group. Everything seems to work fine except
>>> "Create a new virtual machine" button.
>>>
>>> Any suggestion how can i get any debug output or something.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you run it from a terminal does it show any output there when it crashes?
>>
>>
> Nothing no error not even any kind of message.
>
>

vmware is a wrapper script, maybe it's hiding some messages. Try to
run the actual executable. On my system it is located in:

/opt/vmware/workstation/lib/vmware/bin

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Grant Edwards  wrote:
> I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
> machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
> Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
> FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
> got a decent hard drive (160GB).
>
> I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
> getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
> used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
> nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
> like TuxRacer.
>
> I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
> OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
> package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
> would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

My biggest suggestion for a slow machine is: distcc

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
> I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
> machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
> Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
> FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
> got a decent hard drive (160GB).
>
> I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
> getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
> used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
> nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
> like TuxRacer.
>
> I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
> OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
> package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
> would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than 
xfce+openoffice.

And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the time and 
you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster. It 
does not need less ram nor does it run faster.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Trouble decrypting message from firefox ebuild

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Stroller
 wrote:
>
> On 19 Jan 2009, at 20:36, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> On 2009-01-19, Allan Gottlieb  wrote:
>>
>>> I would favor the original (with Alan McKinnon's change).  It is
>>> somewhat wordy but this issue has caused several users grief and the
>>> (admittedly repetitive) original wording makes it very clear what must
>>> be done and gives some idea of what caused the change.
>>
>> Being somewhat repetitive was was intentional. It's sort of
>> like the redundant information in an error-correction code. It
>> reduces the liklyhood of being misunderstood -
>
> It's also more likely to get skipped over & to cause busy administrators'
> eyes to glaze over.
>
> I'm all for being explicit, but verbosity for its own sake is not beneficial
> - with excessively long messages I often tend to find that I have to read
> them over several times to make sure I'm understanding it properly. "WTF?!?!
> Are you REALLY telling me the same thing three times?"
>
> A short concise note is more likely to make sense and get the point across.
> Assuming it is written in English - which the original, of course, was not -
> a short note will feel logical to the reader and he or she will know
> immediately how to respond to it.
>
> But, hey! It's your bug. File it. The longer it's left unfiled the less
> relevant this discussion becomes. You asked for opinions - just make sure
> the subject line of your bug report explains the problem clearly ;). "ewarn
> message is poor English, doesn't make sense" is my best suggestion.
>
> Stroller.

Maybe a compromise would be a short "you should do the following steps
now" message suffixed with a "for more information, follow this link
(to a bug/forum post) that explains why".

[gentoo-user] /usr/share/config permissions

[Dirk Uys]

Hi

What are the permission supposed to be for the /usr/share/config directory?

On my system only root had access to this directory causing kdm to
fail when it tries to run /usr/share/kdm/Xsession. I fixed the error
by changing the permission with chmod a+rx /usr/share/config. Are
/usr/share/config supposed to be readable by any user, or have I
opened up a big security whole on my system?

I saw a simular old bug about this with kde 3.3
(http://bugs.gentoo.org/65392) where the permissions of
/usr/kde/3.3/share/config/kdm/Xsession was wrong.

Regards
Dirk

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Nick Cunningham]

2009/1/20 Paul Hartman

>

> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Grant Edwards  wrote:
> > I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
> > machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
> > Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
> > FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
> > got a decent hard drive (160GB).
> >
> > I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
> > getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
> > used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
> > nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
> > like TuxRacer.
> >
> > I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
> > OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
> > package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
> > would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
>
> My biggest suggestion for a slow machine is: distcc
>
>
For something that slow even distcc wont do that much good, there are a
number or packages that dont like distcc, and things like configure scripts
will still run on the slow pc. A better option would be to use a faster pc
to create binary packages and then point the slower pc to the binary repo,
that way to doesnt even have to try and compile anything (which imo is
crazy, im surprised OO hasnt crashed and run out of memory during its
compile!).

Do some digging, theres guides on the gentoo forums and the wiki i think for
setting up binpkg hosts.

- Nick

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
 wrote:
> On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
>> machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
>> Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
>> FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
>> got a decent hard drive (160GB).
>>
>> I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
>> getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
>> used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
>> nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
>> like TuxRacer.
>>
>> I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
>> OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
>> package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
>> would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
>
> if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
> xfce+openoffice.
>
> And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the time and
> you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster. It
> does not need less ram nor does it run faster.

OOo from source uses the Go-Oo.org patch set, the binary does not (AFAIK)

but, yes, watching compile die after an hour (or 20) is no fun :P

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Alejandro]

2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann 

> On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
> > machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
> > Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
> > FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
> > got a decent hard drive (160GB).
> >
> > I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
> > getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
> > used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
> > nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
> > like TuxRacer.
> >
> > I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
> > OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
> > package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
> > would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
>
> if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
> xfce+openoffice.
>
> And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the time
> and
> you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster. It
> does not need less ram nor does it run faster.
>
>
>
"installing ooo from source is unsupport" How is this? Maybe you
missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin

Re: [gentoo-user] how to start thunderbird/firefox in a different language?

[Willie Wong]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:55:58PM +0800, Penguin Lover zhangwe...@realss.com 
squawked:
> zhangwe...@esmeralda:~$ LANG=en_US abiword
> 
> However this method doesn't work for firefox and thunderbird. Both
> always starts in German (note German is the last, a.k.a. least preferred
> language for me, in /etc/locale.gen)
> 
> I checked that I do have thunderbird installed with linguas_en_US (see
> below emerge output). If it is installed with that language version, it
> should be able to run in that language version. How can I start
> thunderbird in en_US?
> 
> zhangwe...@esmeralda:~$ sudo emerge -pv mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild   R   ] mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird-2.0.0.19  USE="crypt ipv6 
> ldap replytolist xinerama xprint -bindist -debug -gnome -mozdom -moznopango" 
> LINGUAS="de en_US -af -be -bg -ca -cs -da -el -en -en_GB -es -es_AR -es_ES 
> -eu -fi -fr -ga -ga_IE -he -hu -it -ja -ko -lt -mk -nb -nb_NO -nl -nn -nn_NO 
> -pa -pa_IN -pl -pt -pt_BR -pt_PT -ru -sk -sl -sv -sv_SE -tr -uk -zh -zh_CN 
> -zh_TW" 0 kB
> 
> Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
> 

For firefox:
 Open about:config
 find the variable "general.useragent.locale"
 set it to the one you want, but replace underscores by hyphens:
   write en-US for the value if you want US English.
   write zh-CN if you want simplified chinese. 

For thunderbird, presumeably something similar can be done; but I
don't use thunderbird so I cannot try it for you. 

For ease of use, there is also a firefox add-on called "locale switch"
that automates the process.

HTH, 

W
-- 
"Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that 
anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely 
by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the 
final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
"The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove 
that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and 
without faith I am nothing.'
"`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't 
it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you 
exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. 
QED.'
Sortir en Pantoufles: up 774 days, 15:39

Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/share/config permissions

[Philip Webb]

090120 Dirk Uys wrote:
> What are the permission supposed to be for the /usr/share/config directory?

I have :

  root:501 root> ls -l /usr/share
  ...
  drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   112 2008-10-11 15:33 config

HTH

-- 
,,
SUPPORT ___//___,   Philip Webb
ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
TRANSIT`-O--O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Nick Cunningham]

2009/1/20 Alejandro 

>
>
> 2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann 
>
>> On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> > I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
>> > machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
>> > Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
>> > FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
>> > got a decent hard drive (160GB).
>> >
>> > I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
>> > getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
>> > used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
>> > nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
>> > like TuxRacer.
>> >
>> > I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
>> > OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
>> > package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
>> > would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
>>
>> if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
>> xfce+openoffice.
>>
>> And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the time
>> and
>> you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster.
>> It
>> does not need less ram nor does it run faster.
>>
>>
>>
> "installing ooo from source is unsupport" How is this? Maybe you
> missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin
>

I believe he means that generally speaking, trying to build OO from source
on a low-end (and especially low RAM) machine is ill-advised and can often
be the cause of build failures as OO is well known to require a lot of RAM
and hdd space while it compiles.

- Nick

Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/share/config permissions

[Alejandro]

2009/1/20 Dirk Uys 

> Hi
>
> What are the permission supposed to be for the /usr/share/config directory?
>
> On my system only root had access to this directory causing kdm to
> fail when it tries to run /usr/share/kdm/Xsession. I fixed the error
> by changing the permission with chmod a+rx /usr/share/config. Are
> /usr/share/config supposed to be readable by any user, or have I
> opened up a big security whole on my system?
>
> I saw a simular old bug about this with kde 3.3
> (http://bugs.gentoo.org/65392) where the permissions of
> /usr/kde/3.3/share/config/kdm/Xsession was wrong.
>
> Regards
> Dirk
>
> 755

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Alejandro wrote:
> 2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann 
>
> > On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > > I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
> > > machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
> > > Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
> > > FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
> > > got a decent hard drive (160GB).
> > >
> > > I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
> > > getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
> > > used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
> > > nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
> > > like TuxRacer.
> > >
> > > I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
> > > OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
> > > package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
> > > would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
> >
> > if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
> > xfce+openoffice.
> >
> > And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the
> > time and
> > you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster.
> > It does not need less ram nor does it run faster.
>
> "installing ooo from source is unsupport" How is this? Maybe you
> missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin

http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=123104511608102&w=2

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Nick Cunningham  wrote:
>
>
> 2009/1/20 Alejandro 
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann 
>>>
>>> On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>> > I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
>>> > machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
>>> > Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
>>> > FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
>>> > got a decent hard drive (160GB).
>>> >
>>> > I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
>>> > getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
>>> > used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
>>> > nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
>>> > like TuxRacer.
>>> >
>>> > I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
>>> > OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
>>> > package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
>>> > would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
>>>
>>> if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
>>> xfce+openoffice.
>>>
>>> And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the
>>> time and
>>> you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster.
>>> It
>>> does not need less ram nor does it run faster.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "installing ooo from source is unsupport" How is this? Maybe you
>> missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin
>
> I believe he means that generally speaking, trying to build OO from source
> on a low-end (and especially low RAM) machine is ill-advised and can often
> be the cause of build failures as OO is well known to require a lot of RAM
> and hdd space while it compiles.
>
> - Nick
>

I know it needs 5gb+ of tmpdir space, but compiling it with 256mb may
be futile :)

[gentoo-user] netscape-flash only works once

[Grant]

Flash used to work perfectly, but now it only works once between
netscape-flash emerges.  When I emerge netscape-flash, open firefox,
and visit youtube.com, it works.  But if I then close firefox, re-open
it, and visit youtube.com, flash doesn't work.  If I re-emerge
netscape-flash it starts working again.  I'm using
netscape-flash-10.0.15.3.  Any ideas?

- Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-01-20, Paul Hartman  wrote:

> My biggest suggestion for a slow machine is: distcc

I'm not too concerned about build times for large packages. The
machine isn't going to be connect to a network and once it's
in a "working" state won't be doing much emerging.

Secondly, I've never had much luck with distcc.  When I last
tried it (admittedly a couple years ago), I immediately started
tripping over packages that wouldn't build using distcc.

-- 
Grant Edwards   grante Yow! Are you still an
  at   ALCOHOLIC?
   visi.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
 wrote:
> On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Alejandro wrote:
>> 2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann 
>>
>> > On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> > > I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
>> > > machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
>> > > Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
>> > > FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
>> > > got a decent hard drive (160GB).
>> > >
>> > > I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
>> > > getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
>> > > used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
>> > > nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
>> > > like TuxRacer.
>> > >
>> > > I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
>> > > OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
>> > > package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
>> > > would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
>> >
>> > if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
>> > xfce+openoffice.
>> >
>> > And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the
>> > time and
>> > you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster.
>> > It does not need less ram nor does it run faster.
>>
>> "installing ooo from source is unsupport" How is this? Maybe you
>> missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin
>
> http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=123104511608102&w=2
>
>
>
>

I think that (old) mask quoted in that person's message is because
OpenOffice before 2.0.4 did not support 64-bit compiling at all.

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Mark Knecht]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Grant Edwards  wrote:
> I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
> machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
> Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
> FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
> got a decent hard drive (160GB).
>
> I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
> getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
> used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
> nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
> like TuxRacer.
>
> I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
> OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
> package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
> would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
>
> --
> Grant Edwards   grante Yow! I just remembered
>  at   something about a TOAD!
>   visi.com

Grant,
   We used to use a machine very similar to the one you discuss as a
Gentoo desktop machine. I built Gnome and it worked fine. I personally
like fluxbox which is a very light environment. Currently it's
operating as my main mythbackend server with two PVR cards in it.
Still going strong.

   The one thing I would respectfully suggest is that you carefully
build your own portage overlay. My experience with Gentoo over the
last few years is that there is a _anxiousness_ in the portage
maintainer area to move newer revisions of software into portage
quickly and then just as quickly to remove from portage what users are
currently using. This forces folks to build more often and on a
machine like you are talking about that can be fairly painful. There's
no harm in masking higher revisions of software. The only issue I've
run into is eix-test-obsolete telling me I have something installed
that's no longer in portage. However with your own portage overlay I
beleive you could get beyond this.

   I don't personally use the portage tools for building binary
backups of packages - and probably I should. You might look at that
also.

Good luck,
Mark

[gentoo-user] Re: Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-01-20, Alejandro  wrote:

> "installing ooo from source is unsupport" How is this? Maybe
> you missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not
> openoffice-bin

Yes, that's what I meant.

-- 
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  at   
   visi.com

Re: [gentoo-user] netscape-flash only works once

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Grant  wrote:
> Flash used to work perfectly, but now it only works once between
> netscape-flash emerges.  When I emerge netscape-flash, open firefox,
> and visit youtube.com, it works.  But if I then close firefox, re-open
> it, and visit youtube.com, flash doesn't work.  If I re-emerge
> netscape-flash it starts working again.  I'm using
> netscape-flash-10.0.15.3.  Any ideas?
>
> - Grant

what arch are you running? If am64, try the
net-www/netscape-flash-10.0.21.1_alpha which is a native 64-bit (and
you can unmerge nspluginwrapper)

I had the exact same problems when using the 32-bit flash in 64-bit
pluginwrapper

If you're not using that setup, then ignore this message :)

Paul

[gentoo-user] Re: Trouble decrypting message from firefox ebuild

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-01-20, Paul Hartman  wrote:

> Maybe a compromise would be a short "you should do the following steps
> now" message suffixed with a "for more information, follow this link
> (to a bug/forum post) that explains why".

I filed the bug yesterday using the original wording with the
first suggested change that I received. So this probably best
discussed on bugzilla (I have no idea if the maintainer(s) for
the ebuild are follwing this thread).

Here's the bug:

  http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255530

-- 
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  at   THING??
   visi.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>
>  wrote:
> > On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Alejandro wrote:
> >> 2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann 
> >>
> >> > On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> > > I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
> >> > > machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
> >> > > Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
> >> > > FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
> >> > > got a decent hard drive (160GB).
> >> > >
> >> > > I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
> >> > > getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
> >> > > used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
> >> > > nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
> >> > > like TuxRacer.
> >> > >
> >> > > I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
> >> > > OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
> >> > > package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
> >> > > would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
> >> >
> >> > if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram
> >> > than xfce+openoffice.
> >> >
> >> > And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the
> >> > time and
> >> > you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second
> >> > faster. It does not need less ram nor does it run faster.
> >>
> >> "installing ooo from source is unsupport" How is this? Maybe you
> >> missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin
> >
> > http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=123104511608102&w=2
>
> I think that (old) mask quoted in that person's message is because
> OpenOffice before 2.0.4 did not support 64-bit compiling at all.

openoffice 3 isn't better.. yeah, it compiles in 64bit - sometimes.

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[s3b4sm4gr1]

2009/1/21 Volker Armin Hemmann 

> On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Paul Hartman wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> >
> >  wrote:
> > > On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Alejandro wrote:
> > >> 2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann 
> > >>
> > >> > On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > >> > > I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
> > >> > > machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
> > >> > > Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
> > >> > > FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
> > >> > > got a decent hard drive (160GB).
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
> > >> > > getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
> > >> > > used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
> > >> > > nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
> > >> > > like TuxRacer.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
> > >> > > OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
> > >> > > package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
> > >> > > would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
> > >> >
> > >> > if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram
> > >> > than xfce+openoffice.
> > >> >
> > >> > And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all
> the
> > >> > time and
> > >> > you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second
> > >> > faster. It does not need less ram nor does it run faster.
> > >>
> > >> "installing ooo from source is unsupport" How is this? Maybe you
> > >> missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin
> > >
> > > http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=123104511608102&w=2
> >
> > I think that (old) mask quoted in that person's message is because
> > OpenOffice before 2.0.4 did not support 64-bit compiling at all.
>
> openoffice 3 isn't better.. yeah, it compiles in 64bit - sometimes.
>
>
>
You should consider using LXDE as DE, which is designed for low memory and
CPU usage...

I'm currently using it on a Celeron Coppermine @ 600Mhz with 256 of PC133
RAM and it goes fine, among with abiword, gnumeric and claws-mail for the
office work, consonance for music playing, and pidgin and conspire for
Instant Messaging...

Regards...


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Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Dirk Heinrichs]

Am Dienstag, 20. Januar 2009 17:46:06 schrieb Grant Edwards:

> I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
> machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
> Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
> FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
> got a decent hard drive (160GB).
>
> I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
> getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
> used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
> nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
> like TuxRacer.

Don't know if this is possible with portage, I switched to paludis a long time 
ago. However, with paludis, one can setup several environments, each with a 
different set of USE flags, CFLAGS, etc., where each will be installed into a 
different root directory. Inside this root directory, everything looks like a 
normal install.

So you could mount the complete filesystem tree of the slow machine on a 
faster one (via NFS), compile everything on the fast machine and let it 
install to /root_of_slow_box.

> I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
> OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
> package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
> would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

Hehe, I once did a "Linux from Scratch" install on my Amiga. Compiling GCC 
took ages to complete, didn't even dare to think about something like OOo.

I always use FVWM on low power machines. It's quite fast and, with the crystal 
theme, looks very nice.

HTH...

Dirk


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Re: [gentoo-user] mysql 5.1

[Arttu V.]

On 1/14/09, Marcin Niśkiewicz  wrote:
> Hello
> Is it known when mysql version 5.1 will be available in portage for amd64
> (stable)?

I don't know if we on the *user* list really can know about the devs'
decisions. Maybe gentoo-dev list or irc channel could give better
answers? AFAIK the devs rarely reply on this list.

I found one comment which appears to be quite insightful of the
situation (I don't use mysql that much, so I have to take this at face
value), although it doesn't give exact time frames:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194561#c25

Eating your data is bad for a database and if that was the situation a
bit over a month ago, I wouldn't hold my breath for a stable marked
ebuild in portage for a while.

-- 
Arttu V.

Re: [gentoo-user] netscape-flash only works once

[Grant]

>> Flash used to work perfectly, but now it only works once between
>> netscape-flash emerges.  When I emerge netscape-flash, open firefox,
>> and visit youtube.com, it works.  But if I then close firefox, re-open
>> it, and visit youtube.com, flash doesn't work.  If I re-emerge
>> netscape-flash it starts working again.  I'm using
>> netscape-flash-10.0.15.3.  Any ideas?
>>
>> - Grant
>
> what arch are you running? If am64, try the
> net-www/netscape-flash-10.0.21.1_alpha which is a native 64-bit (and
> you can unmerge nspluginwrapper)
>
> I had the exact same problems when using the 32-bit flash in 64-bit
> pluginwrapper
>
> If you're not using that setup, then ignore this message :)
>
> Paul

Thanks Paul, I am on amd64 and I think this means no more firefox-bin
which is great.  I'm getting this after upgrading netscape-flash and
visiting youtube.com with firefox (no -bin):

LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
/home/marant/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[/home/marant/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: cannot make segment
writable for relocation: Permission denied]

Do I need to re-emerge firefox or could this have to do with my
hardened kernel settings?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[kashani]

Grant Edwards wrote:

I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
got a decent hard drive (160GB).

I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
like TuxRacer.

I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).



I usually just pull the drive and put it in a faster computer. Build the 
OS with conservative CFLAGs and swap the drive back when done. I've 
rarely had issues with this.


kashani

Re: [gentoo-user] netscape-flash only works once

[Grant]

>>> Flash used to work perfectly, but now it only works once between
>>> netscape-flash emerges.  When I emerge netscape-flash, open firefox,
>>> and visit youtube.com, it works.  But if I then close firefox, re-open
>>> it, and visit youtube.com, flash doesn't work.  If I re-emerge
>>> netscape-flash it starts working again.  I'm using
>>> netscape-flash-10.0.15.3.  Any ideas?
>>>
>>> - Grant
>>
>> what arch are you running? If am64, try the
>> net-www/netscape-flash-10.0.21.1_alpha which is a native 64-bit (and
>> you can unmerge nspluginwrapper)
>>
>> I had the exact same problems when using the 32-bit flash in 64-bit
>> pluginwrapper
>>
>> If you're not using that setup, then ignore this message :)
>>
>> Paul
>
> Thanks Paul, I am on amd64 and I think this means no more firefox-bin
> which is great.  I'm getting this after upgrading netscape-flash and
> visiting youtube.com with firefox (no -bin):
>
> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
> /home/marant/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
> [/home/marant/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: cannot make segment
> writable for relocation: Permission denied]
>
> Do I need to re-emerge firefox or could this have to do with my
> hardened kernel settings?
>
> - Grant

Actually it looks like I don't even have mozilla-firefox installed so
I must have been launching firefox-bin with 'firefox'.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] netscape-flash only works once

[Nick Cunningham]

2009/1/20 Grant 

> >> Flash used to work perfectly, but now it only works once between
> >> netscape-flash emerges.  When I emerge netscape-flash, open firefox,
> >> and visit youtube.com, it works.  But if I then close firefox, re-open
> >> it, and visit youtube.com, flash doesn't work.  If I re-emerge
> >> netscape-flash it starts working again.  I'm using
> >> netscape-flash-10.0.15.3.  Any ideas?
> >>
> >> - Grant
> >
> > what arch are you running? If am64, try the
> > net-www/netscape-flash-10.0.21.1_alpha which is a native 64-bit (and
> > you can unmerge nspluginwrapper)
> >
> > I had the exact same problems when using the 32-bit flash in 64-bit
> > pluginwrapper
> >
> > If you're not using that setup, then ignore this message :)
> >
> > Paul
>
> Thanks Paul, I am on amd64 and I think this means no more firefox-bin
> which is great.  I'm getting this after upgrading netscape-flash and
> visiting youtube.com with firefox (no -bin):
>
> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
> /home/marant/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
> [/home/marant/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: cannot make segment
> writable for relocation: Permission denied]
>
> Do I need to re-emerge firefox or could this have to do with my
> hardened kernel settings?
>
> - Grant
>
>
That looks suspiciously like its to do with your hardened setup.
I too have 64bit FF and 64 flash working nicely here, so glad to be done
with nspluginwrapper, which barely ever worked for me anyway :(

 - Nick

[gentoo-user] Share hard drive for multiple users

[Hung Dang]

Hi all,
I need to mount a new hard drive formatted in ext3 to /mnt/C such that
multiple users can use it.
However, all users can only read the data from the share drive
Any suggestion?

Below is my fstab  configuration:
/dev/sda1   /mnt/C   ext3  rw,auto,noatime,defaults 0 1

Thanks
Hung

Re: [gentoo-user] Share hard drive for multiple users

[Andrey Falko]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Hung Dang  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I need to mount a new hard drive formatted in ext3 to /mnt/C such that
> multiple users can use it.
> However, all users can only read the data from the share drive
> Any suggestion?
>
> Below is my fstab  configuration:
> /dev/sda1   /mnt/C   ext3  rw,auto,noatime,defaults 0 1
>
> Thanks
> Hung
>
>

Do you have rw permission set to the contents of the the formatted
harddrive? For example, if you want the whole thing to be rwx, do
chmod 777 /mnt/C/* -R. I personally, would do this:

find /mnt/C -type d | xargs chmod 777
find /mnt/C -type f | xargs chmod 666

This will make all directories in the drive writeable, readable and
executable (necessary for dirs) to everyone. All files will be readable and
writeable to everyone.

Re: [gentoo-user] Share hard drive for multiple users

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:24:10 -0800, Andrey Falko wrote:

> Do you have rw permission set to the contents of the the formatted
> harddrive? For example, if you want the whole thing to be rwx, do
> chmod 777 /mnt/C/* -R. I personally, would do this:
> 
> find /mnt/C -type d | xargs chmod 777
> find /mnt/C -type f | xargs chmod 666
> 
> This will make all directories in the drive writeable, readable and
> executable (necessary for dirs) to everyone. All files will be readable
> and writeable to everyone.

But new files will still be only writeable by their creator.

You should look at using ACLs for this.

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Share hard drive for multiple users

[Dirk Heinrichs]

Am Dienstag, 20. Januar 2009 18:16:47 schrieb Hung Dang:
> Hi all,
> I need to mount a new hard drive formatted in ext3 to /mnt/C such that
> multiple users can use it.
> However, all users can only read the data from the share drive
> Any suggestion?
>
> Below is my fstab  configuration:
> /dev/sda1   /mnt/C   ext3  rw,auto,noatime,defaults 0 1

Put all users which should use the new drive into one group and after mounting 
it, do

chgrp thegroup /mnt/C
chmod g+ws /mnt/C

HTH...

Dirk 


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Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/share/config permissions

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:10:11 +0200, Dirk Uys wrote:

> What are the permission supposed to be for the /usr/share/config
> directory?

755 here, on my ~amd64 and ~x86 machines, but 700 on my x86 MythTV
frontend. This directory belongs to several packages, so would have been
created by the first installed. It looks like at least one package is
setting it to 700.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:32:02 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote:

> I know it needs 5gb+ of tmpdir space, but compiling it with 256mb may
> be futile :)

Not if he's got plenty of swap, it'll just run even slower. Expect a new
Debian release before OOo finishes building :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Dirk Heinrichs]

Am Dienstag, 20. Januar 2009 19:42:47 schrieb Neil Bothwick:

> Not if he's got plenty of swap, it'll just run even slower. Expect a new
> Debian release before OOo finishes building :)

LOL, can't imagine that it compiles _that_ slow ;-)

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] netscape-flash only works once

[Grant]

>> Flash used to work perfectly, but now it only works once between
>> netscape-flash emerges.  When I emerge netscape-flash, open firefox,
>> and visit youtube.com, it works.  But if I then close firefox, re-open
>> it, and visit youtube.com, flash doesn't work.  If I re-emerge
>> netscape-flash it starts working again.  I'm using
>> netscape-flash-10.0.15.3.  Any ideas?
>>
>> - Grant
>
> what arch are you running? If am64, try the
> net-www/netscape-flash-10.0.21.1_alpha which is a native 64-bit (and
> you can unmerge nspluginwrapper)
>
> I had the exact same problems when using the 32-bit flash in 64-bit
> pluginwrapper
>
> If you're not using that setup, then ignore this message :)
>
> Paul

Thanks working great now except cnn.com videos crash the browser.  Do
they work for anyone else?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Share hard drive for multiple users -> SOLVED

[Hung Dang]

Thanks all of you for quick replies.

I follow Dirk's suggestion and all users can be able to use  the share
hard drive now.

Have a good day
Hung

Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 20. Januar 2009 18:16:47 schrieb Hung Dang:
>   
>> Hi all,
>> I need to mount a new hard drive formatted in ext3 to /mnt/C such that
>> multiple users can use it.
>> However, all users can only read the data from the share drive
>> Any suggestion?
>>
>> Below is my fstab  configuration:
>> /dev/sda1   /mnt/C   ext3  rw,auto,noatime,defaults 0 1
>> 
>
> Put all users which should use the new drive into one group and after 
> mounting 
> it, do
>
> chgrp thegroup /mnt/C
> chmod g+ws /mnt/C
>
> HTH...
>
>   Dirk 
>   

[gentoo-user] Re: Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-01-20, Paul Hartman  wrote:

>> I believe he means that generally speaking, trying to build OO from source
>> on a low-end (and especially low RAM) machine is ill-advised and can often
>> be the cause of build failures as OO is well known to require a lot of RAM
>> and hdd space while it compiles.
>
> I know it needs 5gb+ of tmpdir space, but compiling it with 256mb may
> be futile :)

It's been chugging away for about 30 hours now, so we'll see. :)

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   visi.com

[gentoo-user] Re: Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-01-20, s3b4sm4gr1  wrote:

> You should consider using LXDE as DE, which is designed for low memory and
> CPU usage...

I'll take alook at LXDE.  I use XFCE on all my other machines,
so I was hoping to get by with in on this machine (which is
primarily for use by somebody else).

> I'm currently using it on a Celeron Coppermine @ 600Mhz with
> 256 of PC133 RAM and it goes fine, among with abiword,
> gnumeric and claws-mail for the office work, consonance for
> music playing,

I'll have to take a look at consonance as well.  I generally
just use mplayer running in a small terminal window, but that's
probably not going to pass muster for anybody else.

> and pidgin and conspire for Instant Messaging...

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  at   the HUMOUR of the THREE
   visi.comSTOOGES!!

[gentoo-user] Re: Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-01-20, Dirk Heinrichs  wrote:

> Don't know if this is possible with portage, I switched to
> paludis a long time ago. However, with paludis, one can setup
> several environments, each with a different set of USE flags,
> CFLAGS, etc., where each will be installed into a different
> root directory. Inside this root directory, everything looks
> like a normal install.
>
> So you could mount the complete filesystem tree of the slow
> machine on a faster one (via NFS), compile everything on the
> fast machine and let it install to /root_of_slow_box.

Thanks, that's an interesting option.  Next time I go through
this exercise I'll give it a try.

>> I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
>> OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
>> package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
>> would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
>
> Hehe, I once did a "Linux from Scratch" install on my Amiga.
> Compiling GCC took ages to complete, didn't even dare to think
> about something like OOo.
>
> I always use FVWM on low power machines. It's quite fast and,
> with the crystal theme, looks very nice.

I used fvwm (and fvwm2) for many years (starting with a 25MHz
80486 with 8MB of RAM) before switching to XFCE 5-6 years ago.
About 10 years ago I configured a couple manufacturing test
stations with fvwm95 so that they would be comfortable for
people who normally used MS Windows.  I think a couple of the
users never even realized it was Linux.

There was something in particular that prompted my change from
fvwm2 to XFCE, but I can't remember what it was...

-- 
Grant Edwards   grante Yow! RHAPSODY in Glue!
  at   
   visi.com

[gentoo-user] Re: Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-01-20, Neil Bothwick  wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:32:02 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote:
>
>> I know it needs 5gb+ of tmpdir space, but compiling it with
>> 256mb may be futile :)
>
> Not if he's got plenty of swap, it'll just run even slower.
> Expect a new Debian release before OOo finishes building :)

I've got 256MB of RAM plus 1GB of swap space.  I'm sort of
torturing the poor machine -- in addition to the OOo build, I'm
emerging some other miscellaneous stuff (sdl-mixer at the
moment).

With the two emerge jobs running, there is 32MB of swap is
in-use (unchanged for several minutes).  That's not bad
considering that the OOo build's cc1plus process RSS climbs up
to 100+ MB at times.

-- 
Grant Edwards   grante Yow! On the road, ZIPPY
  at   is a pinhead without a
   visi.compurpose, but never without
   a POINT.

[gentoo-user] Powertop constantly tells me to enable USB suspend, but it is already enabled

[Paul Hartman]

Hi,

As the subject line says, powertop constantly tells me my USB devices
(keyboard/mouse) are active 100% of the time and to enable USB
suspend, which I do, but it keeps telling me constantly. How can I
tell if:

A) USB suspend is actually on or not
B) powertop is doing anything when I press "U"

I've got USB Suspend/resume support in my kernel, and according to the
kernel docs the usbcore.usbsuspend default delay is 2 (powertop
suggests changing it to 1).

Powertop's refresh delay is 5 seconds.

Thanks,
Paul

Re: [gentoo-user] Anxiousness? [was:Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?]

[b.n.]

Mark Knecht ha scritto:

>The one thing I would respectfully suggest is that you carefully
> build your own portage overlay. My experience with Gentoo over the
> last few years is that there is a _anxiousness_ in the portage
> maintainer area to move newer revisions of software into portage
> quickly and then just as quickly to remove from portage what users are
> currently using. 

Really?

I am usually a bit annoyed by the contrary. On an almost 1-year old
Kubuntu (8.04 Hardy Heron) I can find packages that are just barely x86
stable now on Gentoo.

A couple of examples I am aware of:
Firefox 3: stable just since one month on Gentoo x86, was included in KB8.04
Qtiplot: 0.9.x stable and working on KB8.04, all releases ~x86 (and a
hell to compile on a stable system -still didn't manage to do it) in Gentoo.

Python releases are often behind, and not mentioning KDE 4, which is
even default on 8.10 Kubuntu and on Gentoo was still hardmasked last
time I checked (but probably Gentoo is just right in this respect,
everyone keeps telling me to wait before digging into KDE 4).

I fully understand that there are good reasons for that, and that the
meta-distribution status of Gentoo makes harder to check packages (and
also that the Ubuntu folks wildly release unstable stuff... firefox 3 rc
in 8.04, for example). I just feel that (stable) Gentoo is actually a
bit *behind* the average Linux distribution in its revisions of software.

Most importantly, I also feel that that's something new: when I first
installed my system, more than 4 years ago, I felt it was *ahead*. I
wonder if it's due just to the sheer increase of work required to test
packages, or if there are decisions behind that (or if it's just me
having false memories).

m.

Re: [gentoo-user] Anxiousness? [was:Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?]

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, b.n.  wrote:
> Mark Knecht ha scritto:
>
>>The one thing I would respectfully suggest is that you carefully
>> build your own portage overlay. My experience with Gentoo over the
>> last few years is that there is a _anxiousness_ in the portage
>> maintainer area to move newer revisions of software into portage
>> quickly and then just as quickly to remove from portage what users are
>> currently using.
>
> Really?
>
> I am usually a bit annoyed by the contrary. On an almost 1-year old
> Kubuntu (8.04 Hardy Heron) I can find packages that are just barely x86
> stable now on Gentoo.
>
> A couple of examples I am aware of:
> Firefox 3: stable just since one month on Gentoo x86, was included in KB8.04
> Qtiplot: 0.9.x stable and working on KB8.04, all releases ~x86 (and a
> hell to compile on a stable system -still didn't manage to do it) in Gentoo.
>
> Python releases are often behind, and not mentioning KDE 4, which is
> even default on 8.10 Kubuntu and on Gentoo was still hardmasked last
> time I checked (but probably Gentoo is just right in this respect,
> everyone keeps telling me to wait before digging into KDE 4).
>
> I fully understand that there are good reasons for that, and that the
> meta-distribution status of Gentoo makes harder to check packages (and
> also that the Ubuntu folks wildly release unstable stuff... firefox 3 rc
> in 8.04, for example). I just feel that (stable) Gentoo is actually a
> bit *behind* the average Linux distribution in its revisions of software.
>
> Most importantly, I also feel that that's something new: when I first
> installed my system, more than 4 years ago, I felt it was *ahead*. I
> wonder if it's due just to the sheer increase of work required to test
> packages, or if there are decisions behind that (or if it's just me
> having false memories).

When I first installed Gentoo a few years ago, I think I switched from
x86 to ~x86 in the first 24 hours, for the very reason. I wanted to
use the newest versions and the "stable" stuff was so old... It seems
the majority of users are using ~arch these days.

Re: [gentoo-user] Anxiousness? [was:Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?]

[Nick Cunningham]

2009/1/20 Paul Hartman

>

> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, b.n.  wrote:
> > Mark Knecht ha scritto:
> >
> >>The one thing I would respectfully suggest is that you carefully
> >> build your own portage overlay. My experience with Gentoo over the
> >> last few years is that there is a _anxiousness_ in the portage
> >> maintainer area to move newer revisions of software into portage
> >> quickly and then just as quickly to remove from portage what users are
> >> currently using.
> >
> > Really?
> >
> > I am usually a bit annoyed by the contrary. On an almost 1-year old
> > Kubuntu (8.04 Hardy Heron) I can find packages that are just barely x86
> > stable now on Gentoo.
> >
> > A couple of examples I am aware of:
> > Firefox 3: stable just since one month on Gentoo x86, was included in
> KB8.04
> > Qtiplot: 0.9.x stable and working on KB8.04, all releases ~x86 (and a
> > hell to compile on a stable system -still didn't manage to do it) in
> Gentoo.
> >
> > Python releases are often behind, and not mentioning KDE 4, which is
> > even default on 8.10 Kubuntu and on Gentoo was still hardmasked last
> > time I checked (but probably Gentoo is just right in this respect,
> > everyone keeps telling me to wait before digging into KDE 4).
> >
> > I fully understand that there are good reasons for that, and that the
> > meta-distribution status of Gentoo makes harder to check packages (and
> > also that the Ubuntu folks wildly release unstable stuff... firefox 3 rc
> > in 8.04, for example). I just feel that (stable) Gentoo is actually a
> > bit *behind* the average Linux distribution in its revisions of software.
> >
> > Most importantly, I also feel that that's something new: when I first
> > installed my system, more than 4 years ago, I felt it was *ahead*. I
> > wonder if it's due just to the sheer increase of work required to test
> > packages, or if there are decisions behind that (or if it's just me
> > having false memories).
>
> When I first installed Gentoo a few years ago, I think I switched from
> x86 to ~x86 in the first 24 hours, for the very reason. I wanted to
> use the newest versions and the "stable" stuff was so old... It seems
> the majority of users are using ~arch these days.
>
>
I see it as a good thing, a sign that Gentoo is maturing beyond just being a
'ricing' distro. Its now possible to have the best of both worlds, whether
you want the stability of well tested packages from ARCH, or the chance to
get newer packages, but with a chance of bugs and potential breakage by
using ~ARCH.

Im a happy ~ARCH user myself, and have been for a long time, however i do
stick to using plain ARCH on my little server just to keep it stable and
happy.

- Nick

[gentoo-user] Why isn't sshd blocking repeated failed login attempts?

[Paul Hartman]

Hi,

After setting up public key authentication i changed my sshd back to
port 22 and got the expected bombardment of connection attempts.
However, it doesn't seem to ever stop them. I'm using sshd with this
setting:

MaxAuthTries 3

in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config

So, why does it allow unlimited failed login attempts? For example, as
I write this I'm seeing this in my logs:

Jan 20 14:54:38 [sshd] Invalid user ejin from 72.70.42.36
Jan 20 14:54:39 [sshd] Invalid user core from 72.70.42.36
Jan 20 14:54:40 [sshd] Invalid user master from 72.70.42.36
Jan 20 14:54:41 [sshd] Invalid user tony from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 2 times -
Jan 20 14:54:50 [sshd] Invalid user apache from 72.70.42.36
Jan 20 14:54:52 [sshd] Invalid user web0 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 4 times -
Jan 20 14:55:03 [sshd] Invalid user web1 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 3 times -
Jan 20 14:55:13 [sshd] Invalid user web2 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 3 times -
Jan 20 14:55:17 [sshd] Invalid user web3 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 3 times -
Jan 20 14:55:27 [sshd] Invalid user web4 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 2 times -
Jan 20 14:55:35 [sshd] Invalid user web5 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 4 times -
Jan 20 14:55:49 [sshd] Invalid user web6 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 3 times -
Jan 20 14:55:53 [sshd] Invalid user web7 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 5 times -
Jan 20 14:56:10 [sshd] Invalid user web0 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 8 times -
Jan 20 14:56:25 [sshd] Invalid user test from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 25 times -
Jan 20 14:57:15 [sshd] Invalid user test1 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 12 times -
Jan 20 14:57:40 [sshd] Invalid user test123 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 12 times -
Jan 20 14:58:06 [sshd] Invalid user tester from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 14 times -
Jan 20 14:58:34 [sshd] Invalid user testing from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 17 times -
Jan 20 14:59:09 [sshd] Invalid user test2 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 10 times -
Jan 20 14:59:33 [sshd] Invalid user administrator from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 14 times -
Jan 20 15:00:00 [sshd] Invalid user postfix from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 10 times -
Jan 20 15:00:23 [sshd] Invalid user guest from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 14 times -
Jan 20 15:00:53 [sshd] Invalid user linux from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 14 times -
Jan 20 15:01:25 [sshd] Invalid user service from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 14 times -
Jan 20 15:01:52 [sshd] Invalid user connie from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 15 times -
Jan 20 15:02:25 [sshd] Invalid user user from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 15 times -
Jan 20 15:02:54 [sshd] Invalid user user1 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 16 times -
Jan 20 15:03:28 [sshd] Invalid user user123 from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 10 times -
Jan 20 15:03:50 [sshd] Invalid user www from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 20 times -
Jan 20 15:04:29 [sshd] User ftp not allowed because account is locked
- Last output repeated 19 times -
Jan 20 15:05:13 [sshd] Invalid user ftpuser from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 17 times -
Jan 20 15:05:49 [sshd] Invalid user oracle from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 24 times -
Jan 20 15:06:37 [sshd] Invalid user nagios from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 25 times -
Jan 20 15:07:27 [sshd] Invalid user asterisk from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 15 times -
Jan 20 15:07:56 [sshd] Invalid user office from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 14 times -
Jan 20 15:08:28 [sshd] Invalid user center from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 12 times -
Jan 20 15:08:56 [sshd] Invalid user fax from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 13 times -
Jan 20 15:09:22 [sshd] Invalid user abc from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 10 times -
Jan 20 15:09:47 [sshd] Invalid user public from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 13 times -
Jan 20 15:10:19 [sshd] Invalid user postgres from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 24 times -
Jan 20 15:11:08 [sshd] Invalid user info from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 23 times -
Jan 20 15:11:56 [sshd] Invalid user scan from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 7 times -
Jan 20 15:12:11 [sshd] Invalid user scanner from 72.70.42.36
- Last output repeated 20 times -
Jan 20 15:12:

Re: [gentoo-user] Anxiousness? [was:Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?]

[Saphirus Sage]

I'm a total ~ARCH user, just because part of me really loves the joys  
of debugging. Honestly, on the rare occasion that something doesn't  
work, I've found a lesson is best learned when it is necessary. So in  
short, a bug is just a chance to learn to do something slightly  
differently.


Anyway, for a low-spec system, installing from binaries when possible  
would probably be a good idea. Other than that, just be specific in  
what you want with your USE flags.


On Jan 20, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Nick Cunningham   
wrote:





2009/1/20 Paul Hartman 
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, b.n.  wrote:
> Mark Knecht ha scritto:
>
>>The one thing I would respectfully suggest is that you carefully
>> build your own portage overlay. My experience with Gentoo over the
>> last few years is that there is a _anxiousness_ in the portage
>> maintainer area to move newer revisions of software into portage
>> quickly and then just as quickly to remove from portage what  
users are

>> currently using.
>
> Really?
>
> I am usually a bit annoyed by the contrary. On an almost 1-year old
> Kubuntu (8.04 Hardy Heron) I can find packages that are just  
barely x86

> stable now on Gentoo.
>
> A couple of examples I am aware of:
> Firefox 3: stable just since one month on Gentoo x86, was included  
in KB8.04
> Qtiplot: 0.9.x stable and working on KB8.04, all releases ~x86  
(and a
> hell to compile on a stable system -still didn't manage to do it)  
in Gentoo.

>
> Python releases are often behind, and not mentioning KDE 4, which is
> even default on 8.10 Kubuntu and on Gentoo was still hardmasked last
> time I checked (but probably Gentoo is just right in this respect,
> everyone keeps telling me to wait before digging into KDE 4).
>
> I fully understand that there are good reasons for that, and that  
the
> meta-distribution status of Gentoo makes harder to check packages  
(and
> also that the Ubuntu folks wildly release unstable stuff...  
firefox 3 rc
> in 8.04, for example). I just feel that (stable) Gentoo is  
actually a
> bit *behind* the average Linux distribution in its revisions of  
software.

>
> Most importantly, I also feel that that's something new: when I  
first

> installed my system, more than 4 years ago, I felt it was *ahead*. I
> wonder if it's due just to the sheer increase of work required to  
test

> packages, or if there are decisions behind that (or if it's just me
> having false memories).

When I first installed Gentoo a few years ago, I think I switched from
x86 to ~x86 in the first 24 hours, for the very reason. I wanted to
use the newest versions and the "stable" stuff was so old... It seems
the majority of users are using ~arch these days.


I see it as a good thing, a sign that Gentoo is maturing beyond just  
being a 'ricing' distro. Its now possible to have the best of both  
worlds, whether you want the stability of well tested packages from  
ARCH, or the chance to get newer packages, but with a chance of bugs  
and potential breakage by using ~ARCH.


Im a happy ~ARCH user myself, and have been for a long time, however  
i do stick to using plain ARCH on my little server just to keep it  
stable and happy.


- Nick

Re: [gentoo-user] Why isn't sshd blocking repeated failed login attempts?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Tuesday 20 January 2009, 22:33, Paul Hartman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After setting up public key authentication i changed my sshd back to
> port 22 and got the expected bombardment of connection attempts.
> However, it doesn't seem to ever stop them. I'm using sshd with this
> setting:
>
> MaxAuthTries 3
>
> in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config
>
> So, why does it allow unlimited failed login attempts? For example, as
> I write this I'm seeing this in my logs:
>
> Jan 20 14:54:38 [sshd] Invalid user ejin from 72.70.42.36
> Jan 20 14:54:39 [sshd] Invalid user core from 72.70.42.36
> [cut]

What MaxAuthTries does is just start logging the failed attempts when 
they reach ( value / 2 ).

MaxAuthTries
 Specifies the maximum number of authentication attempts
 permitted per connection. Once the number of failures
 reaches half this value, additional failures are logged.
 The default is 6.

Re: [gentoo-user] Why isn't sshd blocking repeated failed login attempts?

[Joshua Murphy]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Paul Hartman
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After setting up public key authentication i changed my sshd back to
> port 22 and got the expected bombardment of connection attempts.
> However, it doesn't seem to ever stop them. I'm using sshd with this
> setting:
>
> MaxAuthTries 3
>
> in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config
>
> So, why does it allow unlimited failed login attempts? For example, as
> I write this I'm seeing this in my logs:
>

>
> I'm using denyhosts but it seems that it doesn't deny anyone until an
> hour has passed, despite the fact I'm using the daemon which
> constantly monitors the log file... by which time hundreds or
> thousands of attempts can be made. Maybe that's a configuration issue
> on my denyhosts setup, but shouldn't sshd be blocking them in the
> first place?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul

I'm pretty sure MaxAuthTries 3 does nothing more than disconnect you
after 3 failed connections (meaning all you have to do is reconnect to
keep trying)... it doesn't do any sort of 'intelligent' protection of
the system. DenyHosts worked great for me while I used it, but I also
found that a firewall rule limiting connection attempts to 3 per
source IP per 10 minute period put a big dent in the number of tries
that denyhosts ever even had to see (though they were always enough to
get that source blacklisted, I had things set rather restrictive).
Something I was pointed towards on IRC, in the event that the SSH
server you're running is primarily for your use or the use of
knowledgeable users (fellow admins)... look up Single Packet
Authorization (SPA).

-- 
Poison [BLX]
Joshua M. Murphy

Re: [gentoo-user] Why isn't sshd blocking repeated failed login attempts?

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Joshua Murphy  wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Paul Hartman
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> After setting up public key authentication i changed my sshd back to
>> port 22 and got the expected bombardment of connection attempts.
>> However, it doesn't seem to ever stop them. I'm using sshd with this
>> setting:
>>
>> MaxAuthTries 3
>>
>> in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config
>>
>> So, why does it allow unlimited failed login attempts? For example, as
>> I write this I'm seeing this in my logs:
>>
> 
>>
>> I'm using denyhosts but it seems that it doesn't deny anyone until an
>> hour has passed, despite the fact I'm using the daemon which
>> constantly monitors the log file... by which time hundreds or
>> thousands of attempts can be made. Maybe that's a configuration issue
>> on my denyhosts setup, but shouldn't sshd be blocking them in the
>> first place?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul
>
> I'm pretty sure MaxAuthTries 3 does nothing more than disconnect you
> after 3 failed connections (meaning all you have to do is reconnect to
> keep trying)... it doesn't do any sort of 'intelligent' protection of
> the system. DenyHosts worked great for me while I used it, but I also
> found that a firewall rule limiting connection attempts to 3 per
> source IP per 10 minute period put a big dent in the number of tries
> that denyhosts ever even had to see (though they were always enough to
> get that source blacklisted, I had things set rather restrictive).
> Something I was pointed towards on IRC, in the event that the SSH
> server you're running is primarily for your use or the use of
> knowledgeable users (fellow admins)... look up Single Packet
> Authorization (SPA).

I'm using the online denyhosts synchronization database, I think that
may negatively affect how often it blocks hosts locally, because it
waits until it does a remote sync to scan the local file. This is my
theory. I like the idea of sharing my blocks and taking advantage of
the blocks of others, but if it renders the program ineffective
against the IP /actively/ attacking my system, then it's pointless.

I'm going to turn off the online sharing of denyhosts and see if it
makes a difference.

Otherwise I guess I need to set up some kind of local firewall on this
machine to get any more fine control over the connections.

Thanks
Paul

[gentoo-user] MTRR setting? Where could I have put it?

[Willie Wong]

Hi list:

  I need some help with my memory.

  Recently when I quit the X server, the following can be seen in the
  sys log:

Jan 20 18:06:34 e-nibbles mtrr: no MTRR for e800,200 found

  and on the TTY where I issued X init, a similar message is shown,
  but the message is not echoed in /var/log/Xorg.0.log

  Now, I remember having entered something like that somewhere way
  back, when I was using the ATI drivers for my laptop (instead of the
  radeon drivers from Xorg). The problem is, I cannot remember where
  such a line would possibly go! Does anyone have any ideas where I
  can start searching?

Thanks in advance, 

W
-- 
"So what you have here is a highly nonlinear system of partial differential 
equations in two variables. But, if you sub in 0 for both angles you can prove 
conclusively that two attached rods will, in fact, hang." 
~DeathMech, S. Sondhi. P-town PHY 205
Sortir en Pantoufles: up 774 days, 21:55

Re: [gentoo-user] MTRR setting? Where could I have put it?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch 21 Januar 2009, Willie Wong wrote:
> Hi list:
>
>   I need some help with my memory.
>
>   Recently when I quit the X server, the following can be seen in the
>   sys log:
>
> Jan 20 18:06:34 e-nibbles mtrr: no MTRR for e800,200 found
>
>   and on the TTY where I issued X init, a similar message is shown,
>   but the message is not echoed in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
>
>   Now, I remember having entered something like that somewhere way
>   back, when I was using the ATI drivers for my laptop (instead of the
>   radeon drivers from Xorg). The problem is, I cannot remember where
>   such a line would possibly go! Does anyone have any ideas where I
>   can start searching?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> W

don't do it. Just don't do that. It should not be necessary. Instead look at 
the mtrr cleanup options in make menuconfig.

Re: [gentoo-user] Anxiousness? [was:Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?]

[Peter Alfredsen]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:36:58 +0100
"b.n."  wrote:

> Mark Knecht ha scritto:
> 
> >The one thing I would respectfully suggest is that you carefully
> > build your own portage overlay. My experience with Gentoo over the
> > last few years is that there is a _anxiousness_ in the portage
> > maintainer area to move newer revisions of software into portage
> > quickly and then just as quickly to remove from portage what users
> > are currently using. 

@Mark
That's certainly true in the sense that we loathe maintaining
several revisions of the same software. Each Gentoo maintainer can
maintain anywhere from 1 to $BIG_NUM packages, so we strive to have in
general at most three versions in portage at any given time. We don't
really want bug reports about $old_stable if it's been fixed in a
$new_stable. We're not backport-monkeys, like Ubuntu. We do what we do
cause we like solving complex problems, interacting with the smart
people we call 'users'[1] and our fellow devs,  not because "svn diff"
is our BFF. :-)

> I am usually a bit annoyed by the contrary. On an almost 1-year old
> Kubuntu (8.04 Hardy Heron) I can find packages that are just barely
> x86 stable now on Gentoo.
>
> A couple of examples I am aware of:
> Firefox 3: stable just since one month on Gentoo x86, was included in
> KB8.04 Qtiplot: 0.9.x stable and working on KB8.04, all releases ~x86
> (and a hell to compile on a stable system -still didn't manage to do
> it) in Gentoo.

I don't know about qtiplot but Firefox-3 was blocked by the fact that
there were stability problems the first many months, compared to
firefox-2. I remember random crashes, etc. Then we had a mysterious bug
where it would segfault on first start if compiled with
USE="xulrunner", i.e. using the system libxul, but not if we used the
bundled one. Then we had some problems with hardened Gentoo, Sparc
getting bus errors, etc. If you remember firefox-2 when first it came
out, it also had the same kinds of problems. I think it wasn't before
2.0.0.11 that I migrated from 1.5.

Gentoo has many arches and the more popular a package is, the more
bugreports will come, the harder it will be to mark it stable. Firefox
is especially hard to maintain because users use it so very much.

> Python releases are often behind, and not mentioning KDE 4, which is
> even default on 8.10 Kubuntu and on Gentoo was still hardmasked last
> time I checked (but probably Gentoo is just right in this respect,
> everyone keeps telling me to wait before digging into KDE 4).

Python is a special case. Portage (emerge and friends) use it, so we
always try to have as few bugs as possible in the versions that are put
into the tree. Kde 4.1 is broken, compared to 3.5.9/10. I tried it and I
don't want it. The problem we have now is that 3.5.10 is starting to
bitrot, so we'll probably *have* to mark 4.2 stable.

> I fully understand that there are good reasons for that, and that the
> meta-distribution status of Gentoo makes harder to check packages (and
> also that the Ubuntu folks wildly release unstable stuff... firefox 3
> rc in 8.04, for example). I just feel that (stable) Gentoo is
> actually a bit *behind* the average Linux distribution in its
> revisions of software.

You asked for stable, you got it. We're usually faster than Debian
stable though.
 
> Most importantly, I also feel that that's something new: when I first
> installed my system, more than 4 years ago, I felt it was *ahead*.

I did too, but then I was coming from Windows, so that's hardly
surprising :-)

No, seriously it didn't take long for me to go ~x86. I think it was
ati-drivers (oh noez!) and keeping them in sync with xorg-server that
drove me to it.

> I wonder if it's due just to the sheer increase of work required to
> test packages, or if there are decisions behind that (or if it's just
> me having false memories).

The amount of work has something to do with it, you (users) can help
there by filing stable requests if you see a package that you feel has
been ~arch for too long. We do react to nudges. Most of us, anyway. 

/PA

[1] It wouldn't really be much fun being a dev for Gentoo if we didn't
have the bestest users evers. Srsly :-). If you look at how many bug
reports there are and how many are at least partially solved by users
before a dev gets to it, it's quite humbling. Sometimes I can spend
hours being a commit-monkey for users who've posted bugreports that
makes solving the bug a matter of fifteen minutes, tops.

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
> machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
> Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
> FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
> got a decent hard drive (160GB).
>
> I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
> getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
> used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
> nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
> like TuxRacer.
>
> I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
> OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
> package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
> would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
>
>   

I used to have several older puters here and what I always did was put
the hard drive in my main machine, chroot in and do my installs.  It has
worked for me so far.  I have also done my upgrades that way too. 

Note, this may not work if you are using a 64 bit and putting the drive
in a 32 bit system.  That part I have never done. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
>   
>> I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
>> machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
>> Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
>> FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
>> got a decent hard drive (160GB).
>>
>> I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
>> getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
>> used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
>> nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
>> like TuxRacer.
>>
>> I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
>> OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
>> package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
>> would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
>> 
>
> if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than 
> xfce+openoffice.
>
> And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the time 
> and 
> you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster. It 
> does not need less ram nor does it run faster.
>
>
>
>   

It's funny, I have read a lot of people complain that the binary is the
same way but compiling from source works.  Interesting.  The reason I
was told I should compile my own is because it was more stable than the
binary. 

How do you figure that OOo from source is not supported?  Almost
everything in Gentoo is from source.  That's what Gentoo is, Linux From
Scratch with a neat package manager. Very neat I might add.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Dale]

s3b4sm4gr1 wrote:
>
>
>
> You should consider using LXDE as DE, which is designed for low memory
> and CPU usage...
>
> I'm currently using it on a Celeron Coppermine @ 600Mhz with 256 of
> PC133 RAM and it goes fine, among with abiword, gnumeric and
> claws-mail for the office work, consonance for music playing, and
> pidgin and conspire for Instant Messaging...
>
> Regards...
>
>
> -- 
> En el pasado creímos que se nos acababa
> el petróleo, pero en realidad lo que se nos
> acababan eran las IDEAS.
> http://www.lacomunidadpetrolera.com
> Gentoo/* (Linux #455615) www.gentoove.org 
> 53:04:4e:b5:f9:7e:4a:fb:66:a2:19:12:da:d5:97:f8
> 8A3A C955 715D D88A 87CD  E21F F827 ADD7 F589 B4A4
> Sebastian Magrí (sebasmagri) 
>


OK folks, all have a seat please.  I ran a full blown KDE on a 133Mhz
machine with 256Mbs of ram.  A friend if mine played Solitaire on it and
it worked well.  It even had sound on it. 

Yea, it took a while to boot but I told him this is Linux, just leave it
running 24/7.  Worked until the house burned down.

Close your mouths, you are catching flies.  LOL

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] MTRR setting? Where could I have put it?

[Willie Wong]

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:22:17AM +0100, Penguin Lover Volker Armin Hemmann 
squawked:
> On Mittwoch 21 Januar 2009, Willie Wong wrote:
> > Hi list:
> >
> >   I need some help with my memory.
> >
> >   Recently when I quit the X server, the following can be seen in the
> >   sys log:
> >
> > Jan 20 18:06:34 e-nibbles mtrr: no MTRR for e800,200 found
> >
> >   and on the TTY where I issued X init, a similar message is shown,
> >   but the message is not echoed in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> >
> >   Now, I remember having entered something like that somewhere way
> >   back, when I was using the ATI drivers for my laptop (instead of the
> >   radeon drivers from Xorg). The problem is, I cannot remember where
> >   such a line would possibly go! Does anyone have any ideas where I
> >   can start searching?
> >
> don't do it. Just don't do that. It should not be necessary. Instead look at 
> the mtrr cleanup options in make menuconfig.

Yes, my point exactly! That *should not* be necessary any longer, so I
am trying to figure out where I might have put this thing which I
remembered having manual inserted so I can undo the damage. 

Also, what is this MTRR cleanup option? I can't seem to find it?

W

-- 
Q: What's grey and proves the nondenumerability of the Reals? 
A: Cantor's Diagonal Elephant
Sortir en Pantoufles: up 775 days, 12 min

Re: [gentoo-user] MTRR setting? Where could I have put it?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch 21 Januar 2009, Willie Wong wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:22:17AM +0100, Penguin Lover Volker Armin Hemmann 
squawked:
> > On Mittwoch 21 Januar 2009, Willie Wong wrote:
> > > Hi list:
> > >
> > >   I need some help with my memory.
> > >
> > >   Recently when I quit the X server, the following can be seen in the
> > >   sys log:
> > >
> > > Jan 20 18:06:34 e-nibbles mtrr: no MTRR for e800,200 found
> > >
> > >   and on the TTY where I issued X init, a similar message is shown,
> > >   but the message is not echoed in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> > >
> > >   Now, I remember having entered something like that somewhere way
> > >   back, when I was using the ATI drivers for my laptop (instead of the
> > >   radeon drivers from Xorg). The problem is, I cannot remember where
> > >   such a line would possibly go! Does anyone have any ideas where I
> > >   can start searching?
> >
> > don't do it. Just don't do that. It should not be necessary. Instead look
> > at the mtrr cleanup options in make menuconfig.
>
> Yes, my point exactly! That *should not* be necessary any longer, so I
> am trying to figure out where I might have put this thing which I
> remembered having manual inserted so I can undo the damage.
>
> Also, what is this MTRR cleanup option? I can't seem to find it?
>
> W

are you using a recent kernel? 2.6.27 or 28?

Re: [gentoo-user] Powertop constantly tells me to enable USB suspend, but it is already enabled

[Eric Martin]

Paul Hartman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As the subject line says, powertop constantly tells me my USB devices
> (keyboard/mouse) are active 100% of the time and to enable USB
> suspend, which I do, but it keeps telling me constantly. How can I
> tell if:
>
> A) USB suspend is actually on or not
> B) powertop is doing anything when I press "U"
>
> I've got USB Suspend/resume support in my kernel, and according to the
> kernel docs the usbcore.usbsuspend default delay is 2 (powertop
> suggests changing it to 1).
>
> Powertop's refresh delay is 5 seconds.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
>   
Check for USB_SUSPEND in /proc/config.gz

[gentoo-user] Re: Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-01-21, Dale  wrote:

> It's funny, I have read a lot of people complain that the binary is the
> same way but compiling from source works.  Interesting.  The reason I
> was told I should compile my own is because it was more stable than the
> binary. 

The first time I tried installing OOo, I did the binary
install. It wouldn't run, so since then I've always built it.

> How do you figure that OOo from source is not supported?

I've been wondering that as well. I checked the package
database and the OOo ebuild is marked as stable for x86.  In my
book, that's "supported".  Of course that's not be the same
thing as "practical" for some machines (I believe my OOo emerge
just passed hour 31).  It would be interesting to know how much
further it's go to go, but as long as it's done in a week or so
that'll be good enough.  I remember building binutils, gcc,
X11, emacs, and so on from sources on a 25MHz 68000 with 4MB of
RAM -- that took some patience as well. 

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Powertop constantly tells me to enable USB suspend, but it is already enabled

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Eric Martin  wrote:
> Paul Hartman wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As the subject line says, powertop constantly tells me my USB devices
>> (keyboard/mouse) are active 100% of the time and to enable USB
>> suspend, which I do, but it keeps telling me constantly. How can I
>> tell if:
>>
>> A) USB suspend is actually on or not
>> B) powertop is doing anything when I press "U"
>>
>> I've got USB Suspend/resume support in my kernel, and according to the
>> kernel docs the usbcore.usbsuspend default delay is 2 (powertop
>> suggests changing it to 1).
>>
>> Powertop's refresh delay is 5 seconds.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>>
> Check for USB_SUSPEND in /proc/config.gz

I do not have a /proc/config.gz but i have this in /boot/config:

CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=y

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Grant Edwards  wrote:
> On 2009-01-21, Dale  wrote:
>
>> It's funny, I have read a lot of people complain that the binary is the
>> same way but compiling from source works.  Interesting.  The reason I
>> was told I should compile my own is because it was more stable than the
>> binary.
>
> The first time I tried installing OOo, I did the binary
> install. It wouldn't run, so since then I've always built it.
>
>> How do you figure that OOo from source is not supported?
>
> I've been wondering that as well. I checked the package
> database and the OOo ebuild is marked as stable for x86.  In my
> book, that's "supported".  Of course that's not be the same
> thing as "practical" for some machines (I believe my OOo emerge
> just passed hour 31).  It would be interesting to know how much
> further it's go to go, but as long as it's done in a week or so
> that'll be good enough.  I remember building binutils, gcc,
> X11, emacs, and so on from sources on a 25MHz 68000 with 4MB of
> RAM -- that took some patience as well.

Latest OOo 3.0 source compile for me took 1hr 34 minutes on my
dual-core E6600 overclocked to 3ghz with 8 gigs of RAM :P

i don't know what that translates to in your machine speed. I have
6000 bogomips for each core according to /proc/cpuinfo (I know it's
not a benchmark)

Paul

[gentoo-user] Re: how to start thunderbird/firefox in a different language?

[»Q«]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:18:33 -0500
Willie Wong  wrote:

> For ease of use, there is also a firefox add-on called "locale switch"
> that automates the process.

Both "Locale Switcher" and "Quick Locale Switcher" should work with
both Thunderbird and Firefox.





I don't use either one, but if I had to choose, I'd first try the one by
bsmedberg, since he's a Mozilla developer.

-- 
»Q«
 Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Shawn Haggett]

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:48:00 pm Grant Edwards wrote:
>  Of course that's not be the same
> thing as "practical" for some machines (I believe my OOo emerge
> just passed hour 31).  It would be interesting to know how much
> further it's go to go, but as long as it's done in a week or so
> that'll be good enough.  I remember building binutils, gcc,
> X11, emacs, and so on from sources on a 25MHz 68000 with 4MB of
> RAM -- that took some patience as well.

Have a look at the 'genlop' package.

[gentoo-user] Re: Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-01-21, Paul Hartman  wrote:

>> (I believe my OOo emerge
>> just passed hour 31).  It would be interesting to know how much
>> further it's got to go
>
> Latest OOo 3.0 source compile for me took 1hr 34 minutes on my
> dual-core E6600 overclocked to 3ghz with 8 gigs of RAM :P

I'm not sure I can extrapolate based on that. :) I do remember
that OOo 2 used to build overnight on a 650MHz laptop I had, so
I'm guessing it should be done soon (in the next 10-20 hours).

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Grant Edwards  wrote:
> On 2009-01-21, Paul Hartman  wrote:
>
>>> (I believe my OOo emerge
>>> just passed hour 31).  It would be interesting to know how much
>>> further it's got to go
>>
>> Latest OOo 3.0 source compile for me took 1hr 34 minutes on my
>> dual-core E6600 overclocked to 3ghz with 8 gigs of RAM :P
>
> I'm not sure I can extrapolate based on that. :) I do remember
> that OOo 2 used to build overnight on a 650MHz laptop I had, so
> I'm guessing it should be done soon (in the next 10-20 hours).

Well the good news is that OOo 3 takes MUCH less time to compile than 2.x

My last compile of OOo 2.4.1 on this same box took 2 hours 43
minutes... 75% slower than OOo 3.0.

Let us know when it is done :) It can be used as a benchmark to
determine how long other packages may take on that machine.

Paul

[gentoo-user] resolving blocks from sets

[Norberto Bensa]

Hello list,

well. I couldn't resist and I emerged kde4.2 with something like this:

  sudo emerge @kdebase

Now I want to upgrade Qt to 4.5beta but (see below)

Is there any obvious way to solve this that can't see because it's 2AM
and need some sleep or are @sets _evil_ ?

And before you jump and tell me "hey, just remove the packages and
update Qt" see this:

$ sudo emerge -C kdm-4.1.96
Not unmerging package kde-base/kdm-4.1.96 as it is
still referenced by the following package sets:
kdebase

Do I _really_ need to do "emerge -C @kdebase!"?


sudo emerge @qt-all-4.5
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-core-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2] USE="-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2] USE="-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2] USE="-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-script-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2] USE="-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-test-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2] USE="-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2]
USE="-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-gui-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2-r1] USE="gtkstyle%*
-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2]
USE="-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2]
USE="-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2]
USE="-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-svg-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2]
USE="-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-assistant-4.5.0_beta1 [4.4.2-r1]
USE="-custom-cxxflags%"
[ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-phonon-4.5.0_beta1  USE="dbus pch
-custom-cxxflags -debug"
[uninstall] kde-base/ktimezoned-4.1.96
[uninstall] kde-base/ark-4.1.96
[uninstall] kde-base/solid-4.1.96
[uninstall] kde-base/kopete-4.1.96
[uninstall] kde-base/kscd-4.1.96
[blocks B ] media-sound/phonon ("media-sound/phonon" is blocking
x11-libs/qt-phonon-4.5.0_beta1)
[blocks B ] x11-libs/qt-phonon:4 ("x11-libs/qt-phonon:4" is
blocking media-sound/phonon-4.2.96)
[blocks B ] x11-libs/qt-phonon ("x11-libs/qt-phonon" is blocking
kde-base/kquitapp-4.1.96, kde-base/kdedglobalaccel-4.1.96,
kde-base/kdeartwork-kscreensaver-4.1.96, kde-base/plasma-apps-4.1.96,
kde-base/knetattach-4.1.96, kde-base/kdebugdialog-4.1.96,
kde-base/kmail-4.1.96, kde-base/powerdevil-4.1.96,
kde-base/solid-4.1.96, kde-base/phonon-kde-4.1.96,
kde-base/kdm-4.1.96, kde-misc/yakuake-2.9.4-r2,
kde-base/soliduiserver-4.1.96, kde-base/kode-4.1.96,
kde-base/kde-menu-4.1.96, kde-base/libkonq-4.1.96,
kde-base/kstartupconfig-4.1.96, kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.1.4,
kde-base/knetworkconf-4.1.96, kde-base/libkdcraw-4.1.96,
kde-base/kmix-4.1.96, kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.1.96,
kde-base/libksieve-4.1.96, kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.1.96,
kde-base/dragonplayer-4.1.96, kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-4.1.96,
kde-base/ktnef-4.1.4, kde-base/kwrite-4.1.96, kde-base/mimelib-4.1.96,
kde-base/kscreensaver-4.1.96, kde-base/kmimetypefinder-4.1.96,
kde-base/renamedlg-plugins-4.1.96, kde-base/kaddressbook-4.1.96,
kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.1.96, kde-base/kdepasswd-4.1.96,
kde-base/kioclient-4.1.96, kde-base/kinfocenter-4.1.96,
kde-base/libplasmaclock-4.1.96, kde-base/nepomuk-4.1.96,
kde-base/kappfinder-4.1.96, kde-base/kode-4.1.4,
kde-base/kdelibs-4.1.4, kde-base/klipper-4.1.96, kde-base/kwin-4.1.96,
kde-base/kontact-4.1.96, kde-base/kfind-4.1.96,
kde-base/ksmserver-4.1.96, media-gfx/digikam-0.10.0_beta8,
kde-base/kscd-4.1.96, kde-base/libkpgp-4.1.96,
kde-base/libtaskmanager-4.1.96, kde-base/kdebase-data-4.1.4,
kde-base/libkcddb-4.1.96, kde-base/kcminit-4.1.96,
kde-base/kontactinterfaces-4.1.96, kde-base/libkipi-4.1.96,
kde-base/nsplugins-4.1.96, kde-base/krdc-4.1.96,
kde-base/kdenetwork-filesharing-4.1.96, kde-base/libkworkspace-4.1.96,
kde-base/konqueror-4.1.96, kde-base/kopete-4.1.96,
kde-base/okular-4.1.96, kde-base/juk-4.1.96, kde-base/dolphin-4.1.96,
kde-base/kdelibs-4.1.96, kde-base/kamera-4.1.96,
kde-base/kdebase-desktoptheme-4.1.96, kde-base/kdebase-data-4.1.96,
kde-base/kdnssd-4.1.96, kde-base/keditbookmarks-4.1.96,
kde-base/kurifilter-plugins-4.1.96, kde-base/kmailcvt-4.1.96,
kde-base/kdebase-cursors-4.1.96, kde-base/kwrited-4.1.96,
kde-base/kstyles-4.1.96, kde-base/kreadconfig-4.1.96,
kde-base/kephal-4.1.96, kde-base/kate-4.1.96,
kde-base/kiconfinder-4.1.96, kde-base/kcontrol-4.1.96,
kde-base/ark-4.1.96, media-plugins/kipi-plugins-0.2.0_beta6,
kde-base/ksplash-4.1.96, kde-base/knewstuff-4.1.96,
kde-misc/kdiff3-0.9.93, kde-base/ksysguard-4.1.96,
kde-base/knotes-4.1.96, kde-base/ksnapshot-4.1.96,
kde-base/solid-hardware-4.1.96, kde-base/kcmshell-4.1.96,
kde-base/kdialog-4.1.96, kde-base/ksystraycmd-4.1.96,
kde-base/krunner-4.1.96, kde-base/kuiserver-4.1.96,
kde-base/khotkeys-4.1.96, kde-base/kde-wallpapers-4.1.96,
kde-base/kpasswdserver-4.1.96, kde-base/drkonqi-4.1.96,
kde-base/libkleo-4.1.96, kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.1.96,
kde-base/libkexiv2-4.1.96, kde-base/kgamma-4.1.96,
kde-base/kstart-4.1.96, kde-ba

[gentoo-user] No /dev entries in recent stage3 snapshots?

[Grant Edwards]

I'm doing an install using the quick-install doc and this weeks
stage3 snapshot, and I find I can't use scp or ssh once I've
chroot'ed.  Is that normal?

  livecd linux # scp 192.168.2.4:/usr/src/linux/.config .
  PRNG is not seeded

I noticed the same thing in the install I did a few days ago.
Later in that install grub failed to install and after
rebooting, my /dev directory was missing just about everything.

Here's the /dev directory in the chroot'ed environment I got
using stage3-i686-20090114.tar.bz2:

  livecd linux # ls -l /dev 
  total 12
  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   15 Jan 20 21:30 MAKEDEV -> ../sbin/MAKEDEV
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   75 Jan 20 21:49 null
  drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 13 19:29 pts
  drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 13 19:29 shm

I checked the contents of stage3-i686-20090114.tar.bz2, and
this is all that's there:

   $ tar tvf stage3-i686-20090114.tar.bz2 | fgrep ./dev
   drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2009-01-13 21:20 ./dev/
   -rw-r--r-- root/root 0 2009-01-13 21:20 ./dev/null
   lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2009-01-13 19:29 ./dev/MAKEDEV -> 
../sbin/MAKEDEV
   -rw-r--r-- root/root 0 2009-01-13 19:29 ./dev/.keep
   drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2009-01-13 19:29 ./dev/shm/
   -rw-r--r-- root/root 0 2009-01-13 19:29 ./dev/shm/.keep
   drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2009-01-13 19:29 ./dev/pts/
   -rw-r--r-- root/root 0 2009-01-13 19:29 ./dev/pts/.keep

In contrast, stage3-i686-2008.0.tar.bz2 has a fully populated
/dev/ tree:

   $ tar tvf stage3-i686-2008.0.tar.bz2 | fgrep ./dev | wc -l
   5181
   
I'm a little confused. Is there supposed to be an additional
installation step to populate the /dev directory when using
recent stage3 snapshots?

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] resolving blocks from sets

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch 21 Januar 2009, Norberto Bensa wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> well. I couldn't resist and I emerged kde4.2 with something like this:
>
>   sudo emerge @kdebase
>
> Now I want to upgrade Qt to 4.5beta but (see below)
>
> Is there any obvious way to solve this that can't see because it's 2AM
> and need some sleep or are @sets _evil_ ?
>

no, sets are great.

> And before you jump and tell me "hey, just remove the packages and
> update Qt" see this:
>
> $ sudo emerge -C kdm-4.1.96
> Not unmerging package kde-base/kdm-4.1.96 as it is
> still referenced by the following package sets:
> kdebase
>
> Do I _really_ need to do "emerge -C @kdebase!"?
>

no.

a) why do you want to install 4.5 beta?
b) why don't you just uninstall the phonon stuff?

Re: [gentoo-user] resolving blocks from sets

[Norberto Bensa]

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
 wrote:
> a) why do you want to install 4.5 beta?

To see if it solves a nasty bug in systray when composite is enabled.


> b) why don't you just uninstall the phonon stuff?

Oh. I'll try that.

Thanks.

Re: [gentoo-user] resolving blocks from sets

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch 21 Januar 2009, Norberto Bensa wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>
>  wrote:
> > a) why do you want to install 4.5 beta?
>

don't try the beta, try qt-copy ;)

> To see if it solves a nasty bug in systray when composite is enabled.
>
> > b) why don't you just uninstall the phonon stuff?
>
> Oh. I'll try that.
>
> Thanks.

Re: [gentoo-user] resolving blocks from sets

[Norberto Bensa]

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
 wrote:

> don't try the beta, try qt-copy ;)

Ohhh... Let's try that then :)

Thanks.

Re: [gentoo-user] resolving blocks from sets

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch 21 Januar 2009, Norberto Bensa wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>
>  wrote:
> > don't try the beta, try qt-copy ;)
>
> Ohhh... Let's try that then :)

if there are bugs with kde that are caused by qt, qt-copy should always be 
your first stop. That is the place where the KDE devs put their patches. 

Re: [gentoo-user] resolving blocks from sets

[Norberto Bensa]

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
 wrote:
> On Mittwoch 21 Januar 2009, Norberto Bensa wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > don't try the beta, try qt-copy ;)
>>
>> Ohhh... Let's try that then :)
>
> if there are bugs with kde that are caused by qt, qt-copy should always be
> your first stop. That is the place where the KDE devs put their patches.

In b.k.o,they say qt devs fixed the bug in qt-4.5. Nothing is said
about qt-copy. That's why I wanted 4.5 :)

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158094 (comment 119)

BTW, do you know where's qt-copy in portage/layman? I've added
qting-edge and kde-crazy, but neither have it.

Thanks!

Re: [gentoo-user] resolving blocks from sets

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Norberto Bensa  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>  wrote:
>> On Mittwoch 21 Januar 2009, Norberto Bensa wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>>>
>>>  wrote:
>>> > don't try the beta, try qt-copy ;)
>>>
>>> Ohhh... Let's try that then :)
>>
>> if there are bugs with kde that are caused by qt, qt-copy should always be
>> your first stop. That is the place where the KDE devs put their patches.
>
> In b.k.o,they say qt devs fixed the bug in qt-4.5. Nothing is said
> about qt-copy. That's why I wanted 4.5 :)
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158094 (comment 119)
>
> BTW, do you know where's qt-copy in portage/layman? I've added
> qting-edge and kde-crazy, but neither have it.
>
> Thanks!

Don't know if it's the "correct" one but Google gave me this:

http://code.google.com/p/qt44dev/

Re: [gentoo-user] resolving blocks from sets

[Norberto Bensa]

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Norberto Bensa  wrote:

> BTW, do you know where's qt-copy in portage/layman? I've added
> qting-edge and kde-crazy, but neither have it.

I guess it is @qt-all-live-kde in qting-edge, isn't it?

[gentoo-user] Re: No /dev entries in recent stage3 snapshots?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-01-21, Grant Edwards  wrote:

> I noticed the same thing in the install I did a few days ago.
> Later in that install grub failed to install and after
> rebooting, my /dev directory was missing just about everything.
>
> Here's the /dev directory in the chroot'ed environment I got
> using stage3-i686-20090114.tar.bz2:
>
>   livecd linux # ls -l /dev 
>   total 12
>   lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   15 Jan 20 21:30 MAKEDEV -> ../sbin/MAKEDEV
>   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   75 Jan 20 21:49 null
>   drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 13 19:29 pts
>   drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 13 19:29 shm

It looks like stage3-i686-20090114.tar.bz2 is broken.

The stage3 tar files for the previous two weeks are missing
(the DIGEST and CONTENTS files are on the mirrors, but no
tar.bz2).

stage3-i686-20081224.tar.bz2 seems to have the proper /dev
entries.

> I'm a little confused. Is there supposed to be an additional
> installation step to populate the /dev directory when using
> recent stage3 snapshots?

I guess the additional step is to not use a broken stage3
tarball.

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] No /dev entries in recent stage3 snapshots?

[Dirk Heinrichs]

Am Mittwoch, den 21.01.2009, 04:04 + schrieb ext Grant Edwards:

> I'm a little confused. Is there supposed to be an additional
> installation step to populate the /dev directory when using
> recent stage3 snapshots?

One usually bind-mounts /dev, /proc and /sys into the chroot, like

mount --bind /dev /newinstall/dev # dito for /proc, /sys
chroot /newinstall

If this isn't documented, you should file a bug.

HTH...

Dirk