Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
On Wednesday 08 December 2010, Dale wrote: SNIP I have a question. The cooler Master HAF 932 case has some LARGE fans in it, about 200mm or so. The Gigabyte mobo has power connectors for case fans. Is it safe to plug a fan that large into the mobo? I have no idea how much power it pulls. If it is safe, that would be great and a lot easier. If not, I'll use the adapter thingy. I just don't want to hook it to that and burn out my mobo. I got most of the stuff in today. Waiting on the DVD drive, a cable or two and the video card. So far, assembly is going well. Since I got some extra time, I'm going to try to do some good cable management. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) depends on how much the fan needs and how much the mobo delivers. You can find all that information in the manuals ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 08 December 2010, Dale wrote: SNIP I have a question. The cooler Master HAF 932 case has some LARGE fans in it, about 200mm or so. The Gigabyte mobo has power connectors for case fans. Is it safe to plug a fan that large into the mobo? I have no idea how much power it pulls. If it is safe, that would be great and a lot easier. If not, I'll use the adapter thingy. I just don't want to hook it to that and burn out my mobo. I got most of the stuff in today. Waiting on the DVD drive, a cable or two and the video card. So far, assembly is going well. Since I got some extra time, I'm going to try to do some good cable management. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) depends on how much the fan needs and how much the mobo delivers. You can find all that information in the manuals ;) Well, I finally found out the fan needs a max of 4 watts, about .16 amps. I can't find it in the mobo manual but will look some more. I don't see it on the website either. I just lucked up on the fan info. I found it on the case website where you can buy replacement fans. I found some specs on 120mm fans. Some of them draw as much as .24 amps. The CPU fan is 120mm to and it is supposed to be plugged into the mobo according to the manufacturer of it. I would think this is safe based on the above info but would love a couple other opinions on this. Also, what would get hot if it is pulling to much? I got one of those temp sensor thingys that is infrared that I could check it with. I could also give it the finger test. ;-) Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Dale wrote: Well, I finally found out the fan needs a max of 4 watts, about .16 amps. I can't find it in the mobo manual but will look some more. I don't see it on the website either. I just lucked up on the fan info. I found it on the case website where you can buy replacement fans. I found some specs on 120mm fans. Some of them draw as much as .24 amps. The CPU fan is 120mm to and it is supposed to be plugged into the mobo according to the manufacturer of it. I would think this is safe based on the above info but would love a couple other opinions on this. Also, what would get hot if it is pulling to much? I got one of those temp sensor thingys that is infrared that I could check it with. I could also give it the finger test. ;-) Thanks. Dale :-) :-) OK. I been giving the google server a workout. Changing search terms and looking everywhere I could. I finally found this post on a forums. He claims this is what Gigabyte sent him. I've just heard from Gigabyte support on this topic - the max is 3 amps at 12 volts. This is confirmed by other information I've found. http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/34292-gigabyte-ga-ex58-ud4p-cpu-fan-header.html#post318935 So, if that is true, I should be able to plug in some pretty good size fans that blow air at hurricane speeds. Wish me luck when the fans start up. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
SNIP I have a question. The cooler Master HAF 932 case has some LARGE fans in it, about 200mm or so. The Gigabyte mobo has power connectors for case fans. Is it safe to plug a fan that large into the mobo? I have no idea how much power it pulls. If it is safe, that would be great and a lot easier. If not, I'll use the adapter thingy. I just don't want to hook it to that and burn out my mobo. I got most of the stuff in today. Waiting on the DVD drive, a cable or two and the video card. So far, assembly is going well. Since I got some extra time, I'm going to try to do some good cable management. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Friday 26 November 2010, Dale wrote: I'm planning to build a new rig. My current rig is about 7 or 8 years old now and it needs to be updated. Current rig is AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram and a Abit NF7 v2.0 mobo. Couple hard drives too. New build #1 with links and all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1689160 COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black case. I included this because of the rather LARGE CPU heatsink that is going to be listed later. I did a google image search and saw it in other rigs so it should fit in there. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130265 MSI 790XT-G45 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X motherboard. It's not the latest but it is a OK mobo. seriously? No. Get an AM3 board. Yea, I'm not to familiar with MSI anyway. I have worked with a Gigabyte before and it was nice. I liked the BIOS too. Not to mention this seems to be a older board. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125296 GIGABYTE GV-N210OC-512I GeForce 210 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP video card. I don't do gaming. Actually, my old FX-5200 does pretty well but won't fit in the new mobo. I really don't need a super fast video card here. emm, no. You might not need a fast card, but with a 210 you could also use no card at all. Going to work on this some more. Seriously tho, my old FX-5200 works pretty good here. It is really old and outdated. lol http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153116 Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V Power supply. I like this brand and would like to stay with this but if the price is right, I could be tempted to change my mind. My biggest question on this, can this handle this mobo, CPU, video card and 3 to 4 drives including a DVD burner? wtf? I have a phenom II 955, 8gb ddr3. 7drives and a 5770 - and my 450(!) W BeQuiet doesn't even break a sweat. Big PSU = a lot of wasted money. Don't follow that stupid trend. I have a 550w power supply in my current rig. I figured some of the basics, CPU is 125W and I do run folding which makes it work hard, the video card which I figure is about 50 or so max. A little here and there for the drives, fans and other stuff I have not even thought of yet. I read somewhere a while back that the start up is the hardest on a power supply. I just added a little to what I got and figure that should cover any extra for the CPU, video cards and other goodies. According to the ole power meter, my current rig pulls 280 watts. That's the A/C measurement but given efficiency and all that would be 250 or maybe a little less. Add in that when I was digging around, this was a good deal. Free shipping and on sale I think. May have changed since then tho. Of course, I am sure 1000w would be overkill. lol http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644 AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor. From the searches I did, this should fit this mobo fine. Agree? yeah Wish I could afford the 6 core one tho. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073 Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 Desktop Memory. I have used this brand before with not one problem. Like before, if the price is right, I could change this. No, no, no and no. DDR2? No. 4gb? No. You can get 2x4gb ddr3 for very low prices. Oh - and please don't buy Kingston. Kingston = overpriced crap. The reason I picked Kingston is that that is what I have always used. So far, knock on wood, no failures. It's the only brand I have any experience with tho I have heard Crucial is good but also pricey at times. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118056 ZALMAN CNPS10X FLEX CPU Cooler. This thing got good reviews and it is not priced to high. According to the searches I have done this will fit the mobo/CPU and should fit in the case. Any disagreements on this? just saying, I have a scythe shuriken. A very small cooler: CPU FAN Speed: 737 RPM (min = 600 RPM) CPU Temperature: +40.0°C (high = +60.0°C, crit = +95.0°C) MB Temperature: +39.0°C (high = +45.0°C, crit = +75.0°C) and for the first couple of minutes the fan doesn't even run. Yea, it is small. Keep in mind, I run folding which runs the CPU at 100% and it runs for weeks with no break. On this cycle, folding has been up the last 19 days which is when I rebooted last. If I don't have a good cooler, folding will find out pretty soon. I usually do a bit of overkill here. My little AMD 2500+ has a Volcano 12+ on it. Right now as I type, it is 86F or 30C. Also, I plan to run the fans with a temp control. I may replace the fan with ThermalTake like I have now. I like the temp control setup I
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
On Saturday 27 November 2010, Matthew Marlowe wrote: Volker, Even my rig - hotter, doesn't reach 300W when I artificially torture the system. Normal 'max' load is in 200W range. An normal desktop? Under 100. OK -- just to find out the truth I've attached a kill-a-watt to my current workstation which is ~4yrs old w/ slow cpu and ancient video card but has been upgraded w/ 7 SATA Drives: Idle - ~285W Light Use (emerge --sync) - ~310W Kernel Compile w/ video app running and minor torture- ~340W 4 year old = sucks a lot of energy. A modern cpu, a modern chipset and a modern card uses a lot LESS energy idle AND under load than 4,5 year old stuff. You can go down as 60-70W desktop usage with a small EE amd cpu and a gigabyte board with onboard graphics. With a little bit of tuning even less.
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Saturday 27 November 2010, Matthew Marlowe wrote: Volker, Even my rig - hotter, doesn't reach 300W when I artificially torture the system. Normal 'max' load is in 200W range. An normal desktop? Under 100. OK -- just to find out the truth I've attached a kill-a-watt to my current workstation which is ~4yrs old w/ slow cpu and ancient video card but has been upgraded w/ 7 SATA Drives: Idle - ~285W Light Use (emerge --sync) - ~310W Kernel Compile w/ video app running and minor torture- ~340W 4 year old = sucks a lot of energy. A modern cpu, a modern chipset and a modern card uses a lot LESS energy idle AND under load than 4,5 year old stuff. You can go down as 60-70W desktop usage with a small EE amd cpu and a gigabyte board with onboard graphics. With a little bit of tuning even less. I honestly thought about using the power supply I have now but I want to keep this old rig as a stand by at least. I'll still run folding on it in the winter too. I may move it to another room tho. Maybe the dining room. I just don't want to get one that is to small and ends up burning out and taking the mobo and all with it. That's why I got a case with no power supply at all. I just don't trust those things to much. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Dale, One thing to keep in mind w/ power supplies is that you don't want to run them normally at more than X% of peak capacity -- most of them have a sweet spot in load where they are rated for efficiency and noise. Choose your power supply based on that load % rather than max required wattage. Most of the vendor websites will have a graph of power/noise versus wattage. For a new system which you may keep around for 5-10 years and upgrade as time goes by, I'd consider putting in a ~800W unit which hopefully you'll run at under 50% load. I've had very good experience with OCZ models. The 800W is based on some reading I had done that indicated that newer motherboards/cpu's/+higher end video cards would bring power util in the ~400-500W range. I'm sure you can google for your own calculator. I'm not that familiar with the other components you listed, but I've definitely had better experience w/ Kingston ram than crucial, and thermaltake makes good cases and chassis accessories. For motherboards, I've always been partial to ASUS or Gigabyte for workstations/desktops. Regards, Matt On Friday, November 26, 2010 01:29:03 pm Dale wrote: I'm planning to build a new rig. My current rig is about 7 or 8 years old now and it needs to be updated. Current rig is AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram and a Abit NF7 v2.0 mobo. Couple hard drives too. New build #1 with links and all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1689160 COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black case. I included this because of the rather LARGE CPU heatsink that is going to be listed later. I did a google image search and saw it in other rigs so it should fit in there. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130265 MSI 790XT-G45 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X motherboard. It's not the latest but it is a OK mobo. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125296 GIGABYTE GV-N210OC-512I GeForce 210 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP video card. I don't do gaming. Actually, my old FX-5200 does pretty well but won't fit in the new mobo. I really don't need a super fast video card here. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153116 Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V Power supply. I like this brand and would like to stay with this but if the price is right, I could be tempted to change my mind. My biggest question on this, can this handle this mobo, CPU, video card and 3 to 4 drives including a DVD burner? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644 AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor. From the searches I did, this should fit this mobo fine. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073 Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 Desktop Memory. I have used this brand before with not one problem. Like before, if the price is right, I could change this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118056 ZALMAN CNPS10X FLEX CPU Cooler. This thing got good reviews and it is not priced to high. According to the searches I have done this will fit the mobo/CPU and should fit in the case. Any disagreements on this? This is build #2: I'll be using the same case, power supply, video card etc so I won't list them all twice. Just listing the things that have to be changed. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431 GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor. This should fit the mobo according to the website. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148325 Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory. According to newegg this fits the mobo. Agree? I only plan to build one or the other not both. I would like to make sure everything should fit fine but I would also like to get a opinion. I would like a opinion on whether build #2 would be better in the long run? It appears to be a bit faster although the price is not much different. Build #1 is $611.92. Build #2 is $637.92. That doesn't include shipping but a lot of the items have free shipping anyway. Basically, I need this to last me several years since I can't afford to rebuild every few years. Also, one reason for the HUGE CPU cooler, I run folding in the winter. Helps heat the place up a bit. lol My current rig with a Volcano 12 runs at about 90F at full load. I would like to run pretty close to that since it just makes the CPU
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Couple of things to note: The geforce 210 is not even powerful enough to do 1080p blueray playback. Might want to consider a minor upgrade if you are going to do anything entertainment-wise on this system. Consider doing the ddr 3 system for longevity. If you do end up getting the ddr 2 motherboard and ram, the AM3 socket 945 x4 will fit in and run with the AM2+ board, however AM3 and ddr3 are the current standards and at least the next generation of amd processors should be backwards compatible with that socket. Also, I do slightly disagree with the previous author recommending an 800 watt psu with the configurations you posted. That wattage should be recommended for a bleeding edge single gpu system and a bleeding edge processor. 500-600 should be enough for your needs as long as it's a quality part. On Nov 26, 2010 4:33 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm planning to build a new rig. My current rig is about 7 or 8 years old now and it needs to be updated. Current rig is AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram and a Abit NF7 v2.0 mobo. Couple hard drives too. New build #1 with links and all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1689160 COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black case. I included this because of the rather LARGE CPU heatsink that is going to be listed later. I did a google image search and saw it in other rigs so it should fit in there. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130265 MSI 790XT-G45 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X motherboard. It's not the latest but it is a OK mobo. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125296 GIGABYTE GV-N210OC-512I GeForce 210 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP video card. I don't do gaming. Actually, my old FX-5200 does pretty well but won't fit in the new mobo. I really don't need a super fast video card here. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153116 Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V Power supply. I like this brand and would like to stay with this but if the price is right, I could be tempted to change my mind. My biggest question on this, can this handle this mobo, CPU, video card and 3 to 4 drives including a DVD burner? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644 AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor. From the searches I did, this should fit this mobo fine. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073 Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 Desktop Memory. I have used this brand before with not one problem. Like before, if the price is right, I could change this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118056 ZALMAN CNPS10X FLEX CPU Cooler. This thing got good reviews and it is not priced to high. According to the searches I have done this will fit the mobo/CPU and should fit in the case. Any disagreements on this? This is build #2: I'll be using the same case, power supply, video card etc so I won't list them all twice. Just listing the things that have to be changed. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431 GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor. This should fit the mobo according to the website. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148325 Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory. According to newegg this fits the mobo. Agree? I only plan to build one or the other not both. I would like to make sure everything should fit fine but I would also like to get a opinion. I would like a opinion on whether build #2 would be better in the long run? It appears to be a bit faster although the price is not much different. Build #1 is $611.92. Build #2 is $637.92. That doesn't include shipping but a lot of the items have free shipping anyway. Basically, I need this to last me several years since I can't afford to rebuild every few years. Also, one reason for the HUGE CPU cooler, I run folding in the winter. Helps heat the place up a bit. lol My current rig with a Volcano 12 runs at about 90F at full load. I would like to run pretty close to that since it just makes the CPU last longer. I'm open to ideas, discussion, problems and opinions. I mostly want to make sure each build will work and which I should build. Thanks for your time and replies. If you need more info, let me know. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
On Friday 26 November 2010, Dale wrote: I'm planning to build a new rig. My current rig is about 7 or 8 years old now and it needs to be updated. Current rig is AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram and a Abit NF7 v2.0 mobo. Couple hard drives too. New build #1 with links and all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1689160 COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black case. I included this because of the rather LARGE CPU heatsink that is going to be listed later. I did a google image search and saw it in other rigs so it should fit in there. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130265 MSI 790XT-G45 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X motherboard. It's not the latest but it is a OK mobo. seriously? No. Get an AM3 board. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125296 GIGABYTE GV-N210OC-512I GeForce 210 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP video card. I don't do gaming. Actually, my old FX-5200 does pretty well but won't fit in the new mobo. I really don't need a super fast video card here. emm, no. You might not need a fast card, but with a 210 you could also use no card at all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153116 Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V Power supply. I like this brand and would like to stay with this but if the price is right, I could be tempted to change my mind. My biggest question on this, can this handle this mobo, CPU, video card and 3 to 4 drives including a DVD burner? wtf? I have a phenom II 955, 8gb ddr3. 7drives and a 5770 - and my 450(!) W BeQuiet doesn't even break a sweat. Big PSU = a lot of wasted money. Don't follow that stupid trend. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644 AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor. From the searches I did, this should fit this mobo fine. Agree? yeah http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073 Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 Desktop Memory. I have used this brand before with not one problem. Like before, if the price is right, I could change this. No, no, no and no. DDR2? No. 4gb? No. You can get 2x4gb ddr3 for very low prices. Oh - and please don't buy Kingston. Kingston = overpriced crap. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118056 ZALMAN CNPS10X FLEX CPU Cooler. This thing got good reviews and it is not priced to high. According to the searches I have done this will fit the mobo/CPU and should fit in the case. Any disagreements on this? just saying, I have a scythe shuriken. A very small cooler: CPU FAN Speed: 737 RPM (min = 600 RPM) CPU Temperature: +40.0°C (high = +60.0°C, crit = +95.0°C) MB Temperature: +39.0°C (high = +45.0°C, crit = +75.0°C) and for the first couple of minutes the fan doesn't even run. This is build #2: I'll be using the same case, power supply, video card etc so I won't list them all twice. Just listing the things that have to be changed. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431 GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. Gigabyte is nice, usb3 is nice, ddr3 is nice. But 770? SB710? Well, not as bad as 700... but the 850 is out... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor. This should fit the mobo according to the website. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148325 Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory. According to newegg this fits the mobo. Agree? I only plan to build one or the other not both. I would like to make sure everything should fit fine but I would also like to get a opinion. I would like a opinion on whether build #2 would be better in the long run? It appears to be a bit faster although the price is not much different. Build #1 is $611.92. Build #2 is $637.92. That doesn't include shipping but a lot of the items have free shipping anyway. Basically, I need this to last me several years since I can't afford to rebuild every few years. Also, one reason for the HUGE CPU cooler, I run folding in the winter. Helps heat the place up a bit. lol My current rig with a Volcano 12 runs at about 90F at full load. I would like to run pretty close to that since it just makes the CPU last longer. I'm open to ideas, discussion, problems and opinions. I mostly want to make sure each build will work and which I should build. Thanks for your time and replies. If you need more info, let me know. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
On Friday 26 November 2010, Matthew Marlowe wrote: Dale, One thing to keep in mind w/ power supplies is that you don't want to run them normally at more than X% of peak capacity -- most of them have a sweet spot in load where they are rated for efficiency and noise. Choose your power supply based on that load % rather than max required wattage. Most of the vendor websites will have a graph of power/noise versus wattage. For a new system which you may keep around for 5-10 years and upgrade as time goes by, I'd consider putting in a ~800W unit which hopefully you'll run at under 50% load. The stuff Dale wants tro buy wouldn't even reach 250ł AT FULL LOAD. Even my rig - hotter, doesn't reach 300W when I artificially torture the system. Normal 'max' load is in 200W range. An normal desktop? Under 100. You don't want to get to far below 20% PSU load or efficiency is shot. So an 800W PSU is stupid in every regard. 650 is way to big. 450 is good enough. 400W might even be good enough. I've had very good experience with OCZ models. Aren't those rebranded Seasonics? The 800W is based on some reading I had done that indicated that newer motherboards/cpu's/+higher end video cards would bring power util in the ~400-500W range. I'm sure you can google for your own calculator. which are all powered by PSU sellers... I'm not that familiar with the other components you listed, but I've definitely had better experience w/ Kingston ram than crucial, and thermaltake makes good cases and chassis accessories. For motherboards, I've always been partial to ASUS or Gigabyte for workstations/desktops. my current ASUS board is a piece of shit. Two repairs because the board loves to fry the bios chip. When the box is on but not used for a while, it might lock up completely. So completely I had to remove the battery and set the bios jumper to get it back working. Asus has become worse than their daughter Asrock. Nothing bad to say about Gigabyte. I am still waiting for a reply from their support. Send the mail 12 years ago ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Volker, Even my rig - hotter, doesn't reach 300W when I artificially torture the system. Normal 'max' load is in 200W range. An normal desktop? Under 100. OK -- just to find out the truth I've attached a kill-a-watt to my current workstation which is ~4yrs old w/ slow cpu and ancient video card but has been upgraded w/ 7 SATA Drives: Idle - ~285W Light Use (emerge --sync) - ~310W Kernel Compile w/ video app running and minor torture- ~340W This is definitely much higher than 100-200W stated above. Anyhow, given that the discussion was about a system lasting ~8yrs, which is twice the current age of my system, I don't think it's unfeasible that future upgrades (especially if video card related or if moving cpu from 2 core to 8 core) could get normal power util 20% higher to ~372W eventually. If you conservatively state that PSU wattage should be 1.66 * normal util (so that PSU is normally running at 60% of peak) then: 1.66 * 372 = 617 So an 800W PSU is stupid in every regard. 650 is way to big. 450 is good enough. 400W might even be good enough. OK, I'll agree that 800W is not looking very convincing. I must have bought into the marketing there. Thanks for the correction. However, 650W would seem to be optimal. For less stressful systems, 450 seems OK short term, but I'm not sure whether it would be limiting for a chassis expected to last 8+ yrs w/ whatever upgrades come down the line. Matt -- Matthew Marlowe/ 858-400-7430 /DeployLinux Consulting, Inc Professional Linux Hosting and Systems Administration Services www.deploylinux.net * m...@deploylinux.net 'MattM' @ irc.freenode.net
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Even my rig - hotter, doesn't reach 300W when I artificially torture the system. Normal 'max' load is in 200W range. An normal desktop? Under 100. OK -- just to find out the truth I've attached a kill-a-watt to my current workstation which is ~4yrs old w/ slow cpu and ancient video card but has been upgraded w/ 7 SATA Drives: So the figures below are AC in, not DC out. Pretty sure the figure everyone uses for comparison is DC out. Idle - ~285W Light Use (emerge --sync) - ~310W Kernel Compile w/ video app running and minor torture- ~340W This is definitely much higher than 100-200W stated above. Anyhow, given that the discussion was about a system lasting ~8yrs, which is twice the current age of my system, I don't think it's unfeasible that future upgrades (especially if video card related or if moving cpu from 2 core to 8 core) could get normal power util 20% higher to ~372W eventually. If you conservatively state that PSU wattage should be 1.66 * normal util (so that PSU is normally running at 60% of peak) then: 1.66 * 372 = 617 I think you've double dipped theresee above comment. My 2c WRT power supplies - buy a quality brand as they are one of the least reliable components in a PC.
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Adam Carter wrote: Even my rig - hotter, doesn't reach 300W when I artificially torture the system. Normal 'max' load is in 200W range. An normal desktop? Under 100. OK -- just to find out the truth I've attached a kill-a-watt to my current workstation which is ~4yrs old w/ slow cpu and ancient video card but has been upgraded w/ 7 SATA Drives: So the figures below are AC in, not DC out. Pretty sure the figure everyone uses for comparison is DC out. Idle - ~285W Light Use (emerge --sync) - ~310W Kernel Compile w/ video app running and minor torture- ~340W This is definitely much higher than 100-200W stated above. Anyhow, given that the discussion was about a system lasting ~8yrs, which is twice the current age of my system, I don't think it's unfeasible that future upgrades (especially if video card related or if moving cpu from 2 core to 8 core) could get normal power util 20% higher to ~372W eventually. If you conservatively state that PSU wattage should be 1.66 * normal util (so that PSU is normally running at 60% of peak) then: 1.66 * 372 = 617 I think you've double dipped theresee above comment. My 2c WRT power supplies - buy a quality brand as they are one of the least reliable components in a PC. To add a little info about me and my puters. I don't update very often. I started out with 512Mb of ram and upgraded to 2Gbs. I started with a 30Gb hard drive and upgraded to a 80Gb and added a 750Gb when I got DSL and could watch videos. Basically, as far as power is concerned, I added a single hard drive. I doubt the memory changed power very much. Swapping a 80Gb drive for the 30Gb probably wasn't much change either. The new drive may have even use less power. The only other change was that I added 2 120mm fans on the side to help with the cooling. As you can probably tell, I build it and it stays the same basically. Maybe a little minor changes but nothing major. I figure I will add one more drive when I can afford it. Maybe a 1.5 to 2Tb or so. They are still dropping in price. Now to reply to some others. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Jason Weisberger wrote: Couple of things to note: The geforce 210 is not even powerful enough to do 1080p blueray playback. Might want to consider a minor upgrade if you are going to do anything entertainment-wise on this system. Consider doing the ddr 3 system for longevity. If you do end up getting the ddr 2 motherboard and ram, the AM3 socket 945 x4 will fit in and run with the AM2+ board, however AM3 and ddr3 are the current standards and at least the next generation of amd processors should be backwards compatible with that socket. Also, I do slightly disagree with the previous author recommending an 800 watt psu with the configurations you posted. That wattage should be recommended for a bleeding edge single gpu system and a bleeding edge processor. 500-600 should be enough for your needs as long as it's a quality part. I'll check and see if I can find something better video wise. To be honest tho, I don't play video except for youtube or something like that. By BIG game to play is Kpatience. I must admit, I am seriously leaning to the Gigabyte build. It is a bit newer but not to pricey. I have read that DDR3 is faster and we all know that you only need one bottle neck. I do assume that the Gigabyte mobo, CPU and ram do match up OK? That is the big thing for me. I used to read Computer Shopper and keep up with the sockets types and such but I haven't done that in a long while. I don't want to order all this and then find out the CPU doesn't fit the mobo or that I can't put that ram in because of the HUGE heatsink. I guess newegg would let me swap something within reason tho. Dale :-) :-)
