Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
I've checked that do-not-call site several times today and it's been unresponsive - I think they're swamped. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
I have to admit that it does seem to be getting slammed by unhappy recipients of the the present days bouts with telemarketers. It took me a couple of minutes to get registerd, but it wasn't all bad. Regards, Jeff Kirkland I've checked that do-not-call site several times today and it's been unresponsive - I think they're swamped. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael O'Donnell) writes: I've checked that do-not-call site several times today and it's been unresponsive - I think they're swamped. Hmm. They seem to be running IIS. --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark / Cetacean Networks / Portsmouth, N.H. (USA) cetaceannetworks.com!kclark (GnuPG ID: B280F24E) alumni.unh.edu!kdc ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
Just a thought... Does it make sense to have people add their name to yet another list, when the object is to stay off lists in the first place? I'm thinking that there are far fewer folks who want to be added to lists than those who want their names off of them... A more sensible system would be an Opt-In list for those who want to be on various lists...since they don't mind adding their names to spam/telemarketing lists anyway. It would be unlawful to contact those NOT on the list. This would (i'm sure) result in a much shorter list and a lot less work for those taking the information. Mike Shields Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
People have also raised the concern that the system might easily be duped into mailbombing people. Apparently, the contractor who configured the system doesn't have any experience with this kind of application. I heard a rumour that the barely-competent contractor in question got approx $11M for their troubles. I probably coulda rigged a server for no more than $10M if only I'd known... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
AFAICT, today's opening is for customers WEST of the Mississippi, and that us Easterners will have to wait a bit. BUT, it should be borne in mind that the FCC's Form 475, available at: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints.html What's been lost in the hoopla is the fact that the TCPA is still in force, and that there are specific circumstances that can precipitate a complaint against a telemarketer - e.g., calling a cell phone number, calling and leaving an automated message, calling with an automated message, etc. - which will attract a $10k fine AND permit the victim to sue in local court for damages. This system has been available for quite a while, and I've noticed that some of the callers got very uncomfortable when I mentioned it. And, it's resulted in a significant reduction in unwanted calls. Obviously, YMMV. Bayard ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
installing subversion
Paul L., or anyone else with knowledge of subversion... I wanted to install subversion, from scratch, to set up a version control system. So I ended up at this page (http://summersoft.fay.ar.us/pub/linux/redhat/RPMS/i386/subversion-latest/redhat-8.x/) for the latest RPM's for RedHat 8. Not sure what the instructions mean. Which files do I need? Which do I install first? Doesn't the order matter? Since you like subversion, I figured I could pick your brain. I read the book, but the install section is about one sentence long. Maybe I just don't know enough about using rpm, and there is a magic incantation to get RPM to install subversion for me. Like rpm -ivh http://summersoft.fay.ar.us/pub/linux/redhat/RPMS/i386/subversion-latest/redhat-8.x/subversion-0.24.2-6284.i386.rpm Or apt-get -upgrade subversion It mentions use '--nodeps when the subversion-tools package is installed, but doesn't say that I need that, unless I'm misinterpreting. I want the client and the server, but I don't care about getting the absolute latest version, so do I just install everything listed, and not worry about using subversion to get the 'most recent' It says to run the server, install everything but the devel packages. Does that mean I should install the subversion-python RPM--or is that package only needed for Python clients? Does that mean I need all three wxGTK RPMs? -- Greg Rundlett FREePHILE We are 'Open' for Business (Free Software on Linux) www.freephile.com fortune: The sheep died in the wool. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, at 4:01pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This system has been available for quite a while, and I've noticed that some of the callers got very uncomfortable when I mentioned it. And, it's resulted in a significant reduction in unwanted calls. Indeed. All one has to say, when receiving a telemarketing call, is Please place this number on your do-not-call list. Those are the magic words. Not only will that telemarketing firm stop calling you, different telemarketing firms often share their do-not-call lists, because people who don't accept telemarketing calls are not profitable to call. http://www.junkbusters.com has lots of good info on junk phone calls, junk faxes, junk email, and junk snail mail. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
AFAICT, today's opening is for customers WEST of the Mississippi, and that us Easterners will have to wait a bit. The website works for anybody, it's just the phone number that doesn't work in the east. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and ISPs the world over are pissed, as the domain donotcall.gov originally had no MX records, and yet they still sent out email as part of the sign-up process. Now Ben, nobody would do this, nobody will believe that anybody would do this...ohgov...nevermind. Ed Lawson ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
You can get money from these people... http://osiris.978.org/~brianr/telemarketing/ Buddy of mine got some.. You just have to remember these simple rules.. - Log the Date/Time of the call - Get the -FULL- name of the person calling you, if they're a legit telemarketer they have to by law - Find out the name of the company they're calling for and the name of the company they work for, they could be different. - Ask to be put on the do-not-call list of both companies. - Ask for a copy of the do-not-call policy to be mailed to you (if they don't mail you a copy, you can sue them for $500) Most of the time you can take them to court and they won't show up since it costs less for them to pay you what they owe you then to fly a lawyer to your state and fight the little charge. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:22 PM To: Greater NH Linux User Group Subject: Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!! On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, at 4:01pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This system has been available for quite a while, and I've noticed that some of the callers got very uncomfortable when I mentioned it. And, it's resulted in a significant reduction in unwanted calls. Indeed. All one has to say, when receiving a telemarketing call, is Please place this number on your do-not-call list. Those are the magic words. Not only will that telemarketing firm stop calling you, different telemarketing firms often share their do-not-call lists, because people who don't accept telemarketing calls are not profitable to call. http://www.junkbusters.com has lots of good info on junk phone calls, junk faxes, junk email, and junk snail mail. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, at 4:29pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A more sensible system would be an Opt-In list for those who want to be on various lists... The thing is, almost nobody would sign-up. The DMA (Direct Marketing Assoc) is a powerful lobby. They can pay to make sure that never happens. Now, so many people hate telemarketing calls that Congress found it was profitable to do *something* about it, but not so profitable that it would outweigh the costs of loosing the DMA. Invest in America -- buy a Congressman! -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, at 4:30pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and ISPs the world over are pissed, as the domain donotcall.gov originally had no MX records, and yet they still sent out email as part of the sign-up process. Now Ben, nobody would do this, nobody will believe that anybody would do this...ohgov...nevermind. I might point out that it was a private contractor who is responsible for this mess. This, I think, is a good case of what often happens in the Microsoft world. Somebody who doesn't know what they are doing gets the job because their bid was the lowest. It was the lowest bid because they don't have the investment in learning and experience that a higher bidder does. So said person buys a bunch of servers, put Microsoft Windows and IIS and MS-SQL and all that stuff on them, whips up some Visual Basic code, and unleashes it upon the world. They can do this because Microsoft has made it easy to do the Wrong Thing. However, nothing Microsoft can do can take the place of knowing what the Right Thing to do is. (In fairness, I have to point out that we are seeing more and more of this with Linux, too, and that it will likely get worse as Linux becomes easier to use.) A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: The National DO-NOT-CALL list is ACTIVE!!!
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, at 4:45pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might point out that it was a private contractor who is responsible for this mess. All true. Still, it was the govt. that reviewed the bid and awarded the contract. Yes. And we've never heard of a private corporation doing anything stupid, right? ;-) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
[OT] Response from donotcall.gov operator
The guy in charge of the donotcall.gov system, one Richard Callahan, has been taking quite a beating in the NANOG forum. He has posted a response. Given the recent discussion here, I suspect people might be interested in reading it. You can find the archived message here: http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg11000.html -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
