Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill
Fred writes: Keep in mind that your microwave oven can be your best friend in the defense against RFIDs. Or if you want it to work sometimes, like when/if it becomes a requirement for some transactions, and you just want to prevent remote readings, keep it in an aluminum foil envelope (similar to the magnetic stripe protection envelope that comes with your ATM card). And, even if it's only a magstrip, I don't want the clerks at the liquor store, or the store owners to have access to my identity that easily. Don't let them scan it. If they insist, shop elsewhere. (I don't shop at the Stop and Shop family of grocers any more, since you have to use their card to get there best price. I still occasionally shop at CVS, because the price difference is tiny, and is only a store credit that comes significantly after the purchase time.) And a deguasser is your best friend there. However, none of these would be effective against bar codes. What we need is a plastic cover that is clear in visible light but opaque or reflective or stippled in the IR. I found this out the hard way once when I crossed into Canada, and the Canadian customs ran my DL and pulled up a 5-year-old case of disorderly conduct in which I was found not-guilty. Didn't matter. They harassed me about it anyway. And they could do that with just your driver's license number, or the number on any other document that they accept as ID. Border control is actually a reason for record aggregation that I support. The problems here are that: 1. That they felt that they should hassle you over a charge that resulted in a not guilty verdict; and 2. that not guilty cases aren't expunged from the level of record that they can access without first bringing a charge against you. Basically I agree that we effectively already have national and even international ID. Fighting the provision under discussion of the pending legislation is just spitting into the wind. You cannot prevent organizations, and especially government, from keeping track of you and much of what you do. Having a national ID card probably makes it harder to delude yourself that you have some degree of anonymity, and thus may actually be a good thing. At least we don't yet have finger print scanners on public restroom doors. Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill
Bill Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You cannot prevent organizations, and especially government, from keeping track of you and much of what you do. Last time I checked the US government got its power from the people. The people supply it with taxes and votes. I find the assertion that citizens can't influence the government to be flawed. Regards, --kevin -- GnuPG ID: B280F24E And the madness of the crowd alumni.unh.edu!kdc Is an epileptic fit -- Tom Waits ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Free routers
I got some routers for free. Most I sold but I had two left if anybody wants them. Cisco 2503 The Cisco 2500 Series of ethernet and token ring routers provide a wide range of branch office solutions including integrated router/hub and router/access server models. Each router chassis can accommodate up to three WAN modules - two synchronous serial and one ISDN Dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) for main system memory and shared memory Nonvolatile random-access memory (NVRAM) for storing configuration information Flash memory for running Cisco IOS software EIA/TIA-232 console port for connecting a console terminal EIA/TIA-232 auxiliary port for connecting a terminal or modem You gotta pick them up.. Downtown Manchester. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin D. Clark) writes: Bill Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You cannot prevent organizations, and especially government, from keeping track of you and much of what you do. Last time I checked the US government got its power from the people. The people supply it with taxes and votes. I find the assertion that citizens can't influence the government to be flawed. And that's my point here. I too, concede we already have a national ID card in the form of a driver's license. However, that doesn't mean that a) our legislators should go ahead and begin overriding State's Rights by creating a redundant system which is actually more problematic than what is already in place, or b) that they should ruin an otherwise decent bill with hogwash like this. I find it more disturbing that this bill is essentially sailing through the Senate with neither a debate on the floor, nor discussion in any committee! This is just another example of our gov't running amok, and the law of unintended consequences resulting from this bill is likely to be far more painful than people realize. And just sitting there doing nothing, and saying, well, we already have National ID cards, so why bother? IMO, is nuts. Just because there is already a defacto standard doesn't mean we should further institutionalize and accept an actual standard which is worse than the default! That's like saying, Well, Microsoft already has a moslty usable mail client, so we should just abandon the develop of (thunderbird, evolution, gnus, mutt, pine, elm, etc.)!. -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [OT] Help kill the Surveillance State Bill
( please note and preserve the [OT] ) I recently read about some guy who built himself a wallet (not really small enough to count as wallet-sized, more like VHS cassette-sized) that has a card reader built in and will not open until a card is swiped, so when somebody asks him for his ID they can read the visible text portion of his ID card (where it's stored inside the wallet) though a small window but if they want to get a swipe from his card they first have to swipe theirs... I can't remember where I read this (some blog) but it should be possible to dogpile for it. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill
On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 09:15 -0400, Bill Freeman wrote: Fred writes: Keep in mind that your microwave oven can be your best friend in the defense against RFIDs. Or if you want it to work sometimes, like when/if it becomes a requirement for some transactions, and you just want to prevent remote readings, keep it in an aluminum foil envelope (similar to the magnetic stripe protection envelope that comes with your ATM card). If RFIDs ever become a *requirement* for a transaction, there *won't be* a transaction with me, period. Even credit card merchants have the option of typing in the number if the mag stripe fails. ... And a deguasser is your best friend there. However, none of these would be effective against bar codes. What we need is a plastic cover that is clear in visible light but opaque or reflective or stippled in the IR. Nevermind the plastic cover. A felt-tip magic marker will do the trick just nicely. I found this out the hard way once when I crossed into Canada, and the Canadian customs ran my DL and pulled up a 5-year-old case of disorderly conduct in which I was found not-guilty. Didn't matter. They harassed me about it anyway. And they could do that with just your driver's license number, or the number on any other document that they accept as ID. I don't think anything is tied to my passport number, since it was not involved in the incident -- but the DL was. The databases are not THAT good -- yet. Give'em time though. Border control is actually a reason for record aggregation that I support. Until it's your turn to be harassed, falsely accused of something you didn't do, etc. Then your life will get *real interesting*. Errors also typically occurs in the aggregation, and getting them fixed is, well, an exercise in near futility. I also experienced this too with regards some benefits my autistic son supposedly had 5 years back, but no more. It took years to get that crap out of the State's aggregate database -- much time, money, aggravation, and bad attitudes from the civil servants who refused to serve. The health insurance company also refused to deal *because* it was a 5-year- old case and all the records had been archived. It was a nightmare. Think twice, thrice, and more before being sure you are for record aggregation. The truth is, I think, that you have an ideal in your head that, unfortunately, does not reflect reality. Sorry to be hard on this, but I've seen the worst of it, and don't see how any benefits that can come from it can outweigh all the concomitant problems that are next to impossible to fix and will eat up time, fees, legal action, and more. The problems here are that: 1. That they felt that they should hassle you over a charge that resulted in a not guilty verdict; and 2. that not guilty cases aren't expunged from the level of record that they can access without first bringing a charge against you. And that, my friend, is just the tip of the iceberg. This is par for the course, not an unusual occurrence. It has been my long-standing maxim that government cannot not eliminate misery, but just move it from one place to another, creating more along the way. Once you think about it for a moment, you'll see it's true. Basically I agree that we effectively already have national and even international ID. Fighting the provision under discussion of the pending legislation is just spitting into the wind. You cannot prevent organizations, and especially government, from keeping track of you and much of what you do. Sure you can. We have ways, and then we have ways. It's just that life becomes a lot less convenient, but it can be done. For example, the very flaws in their aggregation methods can be exploited to make yourself invisible, and this can be done legally. We may not be able to stop them from trying, though. Having a national ID card probably makes it harder to delude yourself that you have some degree of anonymity, and thus may actually be a good thing. Until, of course, you get wrongfully accused or suffer some other travesty of justice and get caught up in the system. Then it's a very bad thing. Have we forgotten our history so quickly? How did the Germans keep track of the Jews during the Holocaust, for example? Can you say, IBM, boys and girls? And with the fascist ways the Bush Administration has been carrying on lately, are you *sure* it's a good thing? No one that had anything pro- Kerry on their persons, even in their wallets, or bumper stickers on their cars even, were allowed into the Republican convention. Hello? Did I miss something? Has anyone been paying attention? Guess not. At least we don't yet have finger print scanners on public restroom doors. Give'em time. Consider this -- cameras in public places, connected to face recognition software, that can track your every move -- everyone's every move. Have you seen Minority Report? I suggest you
Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill
Hey people! Not too long ago we had a rather prolonged discussion about whether political stuff like this appropriate for this forum. While a formal vote was not taken, informally, a clear majority voiced the opinion that this stuff is better discussed elsewhere. Someone even went so far as to create a separate forum where this kind of stuff was explicitly allowed. I find it rather rude and irresponsible that a few people don't appear to care, and freely hijack this forum for their own purposes. Grr. Shall we call for a formal vote and appoint some topic-cops, or can we act like adults and take it off-list? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: [OT] Help kill the Surveillance State Bill
Yeah, that wearable computer guy in Seattle or Toronto I think. Interesting idea, but pointless. If you go to buy a 1/5 of Jack Daniels (for example) you have to show ID. YOU are the one initiating a sequence of events that you know will setoff a request for your ID. It is not sane to require a store clerk, for instance, to show you their ID in order for them to see yours. This basic scenario is true in several (maybe even most?) cases where you would be asked to present ID. If some random person comes along and requests to see your ID, then it would be normal for you to want to identify them first and in return. But this is really a solution looking for a problems in most cases. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael ODonnell Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:32 AM To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Subject: Re: [OT] Help kill the Surveillance State Bill ( please note and preserve the [OT] ) I recently read about some guy who built himself a wallet (not really small enough to count as wallet-sized, more like VHS cassette-sized) that has a card reader built in and will not open until a card is swiped, so when somebody asks him for his ID they can read the visible text portion of his ID card (where it's stored inside the wallet) though a small window but if they want to get a swipe from his card they first have to swipe theirs... I can't remember where I read this (some blog) but it should be possible to dogpile for it. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [OT] Help kill the Surveillance State Bill
Michael ODonnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I recently read about some guy who built himself a wallet (not really small enough to count as wallet-sized, more like VHS cassette-sized) that has a card reader built in and will not open until a card is swiped, so when somebody asks him for his ID they can read the visible text portion of his ID card (where it's stored inside the wallet) though a small window but if they want to get a swipe from his card they first have to swipe theirs... I can't remember where I read this (some blog) but it should be possible to dogpile for it. I recently read the same article. I found it rather amusing. Though, if it were implanted with RFID, you'd have to embed a jammer in there too :( -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Environmental Monitoring
I have. I rolled my own. http://www.karas.net/homeautomation/temp_mon_front.jpg http://www.karas.net/homeautomation/temp_mon_pcb.jpg Basic Stamp, SitePlayer, Dallas 1-wire sensors, some bits of code and you have a monitor that can keep track of a couple of dozen temps that has a serial port and a webserver. You could go on the cheap with just a Basic Stamp 2, no site player, no LCD, and LM34's instead of the 1-wire sensors and build something for probably far less than $100 overall that is monitored via serial port. Humidity sensors are a little more costly and difficult to find, but Parallax has some on their site with code samples. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike ledoux Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:03 AM To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Subject: Environmental Monitoring I need to devise a system to monitor (at least) temperature and humidity at various points in my machine room. Budget for this project is non-existant. My hope is that devices exist that I can attach to key servers (all Linux, mostly RHEL) to monitor their immediate environment, which would be 'good enough' for my purposes. Have any of you done anything like this? Any recommendations? My quick google searches have only found solutions in the multiple thousand range, but which do much more than I need. Thanks, -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP KeyID 0x57C3430B Holder of Past Knowledge CS, O- Put your wasted CPU cycles to use: http://www.distributed.net/ Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the inarticulate motherfucker. Bruce Sherrod ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
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Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill
Fred writes: On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 09:15 -0400, Bill Freeman wrote: Fred writes: ... If RFIDs ever become a *requirement* for a transaction, there *won't be* a transaction with me, period. Even credit card merchants have the option of typing in the number if the mag stripe fails. Yep. If you make a credit card purchase then you're already screwed. The thing to fear is ID required to make a cash purchase. What we need is a plastic cover that is clear in visible light but opaque or reflective or stippled in the IR. Nevermind the plastic cover. A felt-tip magic marker will do the trick just nicely. Except that this is obvious. A bar code that looks good but won't scan is probably blamed on the scanner, and exceeds the clerk's too much bother level without getting him annoyed at you and putting your bread under your canned goods. ... Border control is actually a reason for record aggregation that I support. Until it's your turn to be harassed, falsely accused of something you didn't do, etc. Then your life will get *real interesting*. Everything has trade offs. Errors also typically occurs in the aggregation, and getting them fixed is, well, an exercise in near futility. And there is the problem, rather than the existance of some particular ID system. The political will of the few who understand the issue is inadequate to actually get these problems fixed. But what clout there is would be more effectively spent in support of legislation limiting what information could be collected, what can be retained, and to what use it can be put, rather than wasted attacking one particular ID system. ... Think twice, thrice, and more before being sure you are for record aggregation. The truth is, I think, that you have an ideal in your head that, unfortunately, does not reflect reality. I haven't read a posting yet in this thread that can't accept this description. More directly, from my point of view, this is the pot calling the kettle black. ... Have we forgotten our history so quickly? How did the Germans keep track of the Jews during the Holocaust, for example? Can you say, IBM, boys and girls? Yes, and you can kill someone with a scalpel, so we should make surgery illegal. And with the fascist ways the Bush Administration has been carrying on lately, are you *sure* it's a good thing? No one that had anything pro- Kerry on their persons, even in their wallets, or bumper stickers on their cars even, were allowed into the Republican convention. Hello? Did I miss something? Has anyone been paying attention? Guess not. That works for me. It's not as though conservatives are welcomed at liberal venues. National media presentments notwithstanding, I think that the fascist label applies at least as well to Democrats as it does to Republicans. ... Consider this -- cameras in public places, connected to face recognition software, that can track your every move -- everyone's every move. Have you seen Minority Report? I suggest you do if you haven't. There already are companies claiming they can pick out faces of convicts out of a crowd, say, at a ball park, and this technology has already been tested under those conditions. I think they had high false positive rates, but thats the whole problem. Many innocents can be harassed due to no fault of their own -- just because the *machine* mistook their face for a known felon. You make my original point for me. A national ID card can only make us more vigilant and them more sloppy. Witness what is already in place -- Airport Insecurity. On a flight I took recently, I and my business partner were flagged and have all of our belongings searched with a glove. I had to watch total strangers poke and prod my underwear in full sight of everyone. And yet I was thinking the whole time -- just for fun, to keep myself amused -- ways around their infective over-security that a real terrorist with 2 neurons to rub together can get around. ... You'll have to stop packing the embarrassing types of underwear then. I've been inspected myself. Other than the delay, I find it no big deal. But I still don't see how an ID card makes this any worse. ... And to be honest, I would not want truly *effective* security in place. Nor will you ever see it. It's not about security. It's about the general public's perception of security. Sell tickets. Buy votes. What you will see is something more invasive and less secure than we have now. Because news people need to sell advertising. ... Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Routers gone
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Re: Environmental Monitoring
On May 10, 2005, at 11:03, mike ledoux wrote: Have any of you done anything like this? Any recommendations? My quick google searches have only found solutions in the multiple thousand range, but which do much more than I need. I've been looking at this recently for a NEMA box I have in a swamp for my neighborhood network's ISP connection. I'd like to make sure the heater and fans are working as expected (and page me if the network gear is about to melt). My current plan is to solder a serial port into a WRT54G and hook up a COTS serial environment sensor which are cheap. Sveasoft Alchemy has SNMP which I'd like to hook into. ~$100 if your time is free. There are ~$250 units in Processor.com if you want to buy. http://www.google.com/url?sa=Ustart=1q=http://www.rwhitby.net/ wrt54gs/serial.htmle=10053 I've been 'meaning to do it' for a couple months but my soldering skills top out with slightly larger components (probably I don't know what kind of tools to use to do it this precisely). -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Pager: 603.442.1833 AIM: wpmcgonigleSkype: bill_mcgonigle For fastest support contact, please follow: http://bfccomputing.com/support_contact.html ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Environmental Monitoring
On 5/10/05, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have any of you done anything like this? If you have any APC Smart-UPS units with open expansion slots, APC sells a gadget that provides ambient environmental monitoring. I think it's called Measure-UPS. I've seen them for a few hundred dollars. While that is more then the non-existent budget you mentioned allows, it is cheaper then multiple thousands. If you're really after the bargin basement stuff, I've seen hacks that attach a thermocouple to the parallel port using a simple analog/digital converter IC. I'm told such projects require nothing more then some really cheap parts and some skill with a soldering iron. I don't know about humidity sensors, but it's possible the same idea applies. Keep in mind that polling the parallel port to acquire data like this tends to be rather CPU intensive, due to the ancient and brain-damaged design of the parallel port, so if you go this route, I would put it on a spare junkbox PC, not a busy server. This message originated in theory, where everything works. Reality may have other ideas. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [OT] Help kill the Surveillance State Bill
Paul Lussier writes: Michael ODonnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... window but if they want to get a swipe from his card they first have to swipe theirs... ... I recently read the same article. I found it rather amusing. Though, if it were implanted with RFID, you'd have to embed a jammer in there too :( You just need to short out a few turns of the antenna coil. No active jammer is required. The MicroChip web site has some good stuff about RFID. Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
List topics (was Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill)
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:15:31AM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: Hey people! Not too long ago we had a rather prolonged discussion about whether political stuff like this appropriate for this forum. While a formal vote was not taken, informally, a clear majority voiced the opinion that this stuff is better discussed elsewhere. Someone even went so far as to create a separate forum where this kind of stuff was explicitly allowed. If you really want it to stop, I think you're going to have to moderate the list, plain and simple. The reality is that the type of people on this list are more likely than the average bear to care about these kinds of issues, and whether any given person is personally interested in them or not, obviously a lot of people here are -- and they're interested in discussing them with the people who are here. I think if you look, you'll find that even some of the people who complain about this occasionally participate... I'm not actually trying to argue that the list shouldn't ban political discussions (though I wouldn't vote in favor of it). I'm only trying to point out the futility of it. People are going to do it anyway, and it's NOT about being rude, and it's NOT about being irresponsible. It's about doing what comes natural in an environment that lends itself to having exactly those kinds of discussions, and the passions of the people who hang out here. This particular topic was started specifically by someone, but often they arise quite naturally from something someone said in a post that was entirely acceptable to everyone. It's unavoidable. Note that as with most political issues that surface on the list, this topic IS at least tangentially related -- it's about the politics of technology. In our modern world, politics and technology are inexorably intertwined... Any and all OTHER discussions related to technology, Linux-related or not, are happily endured; personally I see no reason why these shouldn't be also, even if many people aren't interested in them. Many people aren't also interested in ham radio, but that's ok here. Linux advocacy is ok here too, but I don't see how you can separate that from politics. These discussions arise very naturally on lists like this, and asking the type of people who hang out here not to discuss them is like asking the average person not to breathe, or at least like asking someone who's devoutly religious not to talk about God. It's just something you do... Frankly it's a wonder to me that OT discussions don't happen here a lot more often than they do... I remember once when I was on the DHCP mailing list, there was this endless thread about flying turbo props. I found it annoying, but ultimately I had a lot of methods of just ignoring it, so that's what I did. Ben, you have been on mailing lists long enough to know that having topic police rarely helps... By the time someone speaks up, a dozen people have already replied, and those replies breed more replies, before anyone ever even sees the topic cop's complaints. And even after they see it, there will be those who feel passionately enough about the topic (whatever it is) to feel compeled to respond to something someone said anyway. Moving topics off list also generally doesn't work. Discussions happen where they happen, and run their course where they started, or not at all. -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. pgpQnzFDphjUh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Rookit infections: AARRGH!
Neil Joseph Schelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone here have any additional insight to the best practice? I know it's considered best practice, but I never really found it to be logical and most only give the reasoning that is a best practice. Well, you could disallow root login using a password via ssh and which mandates the use of keys. This at least means that a brute force dictionary attack against the root account won't work. The other thing you can do is disallow direct access from the internet to any system via ssh except a specific bastion host. From this host, you may log into other systems on the internet. The bastion host should also be configured to use a *different* authentication mechanism than the internal systems. For example, auth to the bastion host via ssh keys, and auth against internal systems via Kerberos or LDAP, or something else (obviously ssh key passphrases and kerberos or LDAP passwords should be different). -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 09:38:29AM -0400, Kevin D. Clark wrote: Bill Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You cannot prevent organizations, and especially government, from keeping track of you and much of what you do. Last time I checked the US government got its power from the people. The people supply it with taxes and votes. I find the assertion that citizens can't influence the government to be flawed. You're not wrong, but I guess you're not right either. The government got its power from the people originally, but have seized more and more power for themselves while more and more of us have gone to sleep. People are too busy fending for themselves and dealing with the stresses of daily life to care about government, power, and freedom. Unfortunately, we have become a nation of sheep. I think there aren't enough of us who care to change that any time soon. Yeah, and um, how 'bout them Linux? =8^) -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. pgpIhBZ1DtHQm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Rookit infections: AARRGH!
Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am suspicious that they are somehow breaking in through ssh -- http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/10/technology/10cisco.html Internet Attack Called Broad and Long Lasting by Investigators By JOHN MARKOFF and LOWELL BERGMAN Published: May 10, 2005 [] The crucial element in the password thefts that provided access at Cisco and elsewhere was the intruder's use of a corrupted version of a standard software program, SSH. The program is used in many computer research centers for a variety of tasks, ranging from administration of remote computers to data transfer over the Internet. [...] Comment: I designed and implemented a network protocol in one of my past jobs. I found it useful to provide my SQA folks with a bastardized version of the protocol stack, one that allowed them to basically do everything possible to try to deceive/overrun a valid protocol endpoint. I slept well at night knowing that the SQA staff had the tools to try to crash/overrun a protocol endpoint, but they never could find a way to do it. Developing tools to test your own code is a part of doing a job. --kevin -- GnuPG ID: B280F24E And the madness of the crowd alumni.unh.edu!kdc Is an epileptic fit -- Tom Waits ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Environmental Monitoring
Just a thought... If you are not looking for deep instrumentation, but merely an alarm system. a near-zero budget idea would be to pick up those dial-type units that measure temperature and humidity. I see them all the time at flea markets and thrift stores for $5 or less. Epoxy very small magnet to the pointers, and thermal-glue reed switches in strategic places - and you can set up limit-sensing, which may be all you need. Dave E. - Original Message - From: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Environmental Monitoring On 5/10/05, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have any of you done anything like this? If you have any APC Smart-UPS units with open expansion slots, APC sells a gadget that provides ambient environmental monitoring. I think it's called Measure-UPS. I've seen them for a few hundred dollars. While that is more then the non-existent budget you mentioned allows, it is cheaper then multiple thousands. If you're really after the bargin basement stuff, I've seen hacks that attach a thermocouple to the parallel port using a simple analog/digital converter IC. I'm told such projects require nothing more then some really cheap parts and some skill with a soldering iron. I don't know about humidity sensors, but it's possible the same idea applies. Keep in mind that polling the parallel port to acquire data like this tends to be rather CPU intensive, due to the ancient and brain-damaged design of the parallel port, so if you go this route, I would put it on a spare junkbox PC, not a busy server. This message originated in theory, where everything works. Reality may have other ideas. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Environmental Monitoring
Oh and for reference a single temp point + single humidity point would be... $424 + S/H (about $8) - can be expanded to 4 T/H points, hackable for switch closure etc. Save you shipping and handling if we meet somewhere for you to pick it up; company is in Bow, NH, I live in Merrimack, NH. --Drew ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Environmental Monitoring
My company makes these devices... might be out of your budget, but it's Ethernet-based with several available *nix apps for monitoring, including Nagios/Netsaint and MRTG. Also can be done from a perl script. Specs: http://www.sensatronics.com/products_environmental_monitor_em1.php Pricelist: http://www.sensatronics.com/products_pricelist_usa.php Questions? Ask! On 5/10/05, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/10/05, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have any of you done anything like this? If you have any APC Smart-UPS units with open expansion slots, APC sells a gadget that provides ambient environmental monitoring. I think it's called Measure-UPS. I've seen them for a few hundred dollars. While that is more then the non-existent budget you mentioned allows, it is cheaper then multiple thousands. If you're really after the bargin basement stuff, I've seen hacks that attach a thermocouple to the parallel port using a simple analog/digital converter IC. I'm told such projects require nothing more then some really cheap parts and some skill with a soldering iron. I don't know about humidity sensors, but it's possible the same idea applies. Keep in mind that polling the parallel port to acquire data like this tends to be rather CPU intensive, due to the ancient and brain-damaged design of the parallel port, so if you go this route, I would put it on a spare junkbox PC, not a busy server. This message originated in theory, where everything works. Reality may have other ideas. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss -- Drew Van Zandt ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: List topics (was Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill)
Derek Martin wrote: having topic police rarely helps... Ok, so what about having it posted to the GNHLUG Off Topic mailing list that was started a few months ago. Personally there have been OT posts here to the main list, but nobody has bothered to post them there. I think it was a pretty good idea to have a place where the group can ask other questions. Regards, Jeff Kirkland ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Environmental Monitoring
http://www.midondesign.com/index.html has a box w/ temp humidity sensing to serial port for ~ $135. They also sell the parts so you can make your own for less. Nagios touts http://www.nagios.org/products/environmental/esensors/em01.php which is ethernet/web based for temp, humidity, light. It's around $330. http://www.spiderplant.com/hlt/index.html used to sell something for around $100. They now have schematics and code. They focus on Linux. I worked with one of the owners. Alas, they no longer sell stuff but you can use their plans. You might be able to use X10 based stuff. I imagine once you get all the parts it'll be more expensive. You'll see Dallas and 1-wire interface alot in your search. Unfortunately, if you want inexpensive, you'll have to roll your own. On 5/10/05, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to devise a system to monitor (at least) temperature and humidity at various points in my machine room. Budget for this project is non-existant. My hope is that devices exist that I can attach to key servers (all Linux, mostly RHEL) to monitor their immediate environment, which would be 'good enough' for my purposes. Have any of you done anything like this? Any recommendations? My quick google searches have only found solutions in the multiple thousand range, but which do much more than I need. Thanks, -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP KeyID 0x57C3430B Holder of Past Knowledge CS, O- Put your wasted CPU cycles to use: http://www.distributed.net/ Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the inarticulate motherfucker. Bruce Sherrod ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: List topics (was Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill)
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 09:57:13PM -0400, Numberwhun wrote: Derek Martin wrote: having topic police rarely helps... Ok, so what about having it posted to the GNHLUG Off Topic mailing list that was started a few months ago. Personally there have been OT posts here to the main list, but nobody has bothered to post them there. I think it was a pretty good idea to have a place where the group can ask other questions. I think this really misses the point, which was that people want to discuss them here, with this group of people. I believe (relatively) no one will use the other list, just as no one is now. The discussions happen here. Personally, I'm already on too many mailing lists, and signing up for another just doesn't interest me. I'd imagine a lot of people would feel the same way. -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. pgph4xMcVWhX6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Yet Another Perl Conference final details
Hi everyone... This email could be of interest to people interested in the Perl programming language. I know that in Toronto there is a good-sized overlap between Linux people and Perl people (we occasionally hold joint sessions of our user group meetings) so we hoped to share this information with Linux folks more widely. There have been some recent developments on the YAPC::NA front, and it has been suggested to us that a reminder might be helpful to some people, so here's a quick summary of the event. Summary --- YAPC::NA 2005 (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) in Toronto, Canada, Monday - Wednesday 27 - 29 June, 2005 Home page: http://yapc.org/America/ Conference Location: http://89chestnut.com/ A facility of the University of Toronto Accommodations -- Normally registration information would come first, but accommodations are the bottleneck -- our main group reservation (at the conference hotel) expires at the end of the week, and as the conference approaches it will be extremely difficult to find a hotel anywhere in the city. Info on how to book at: http://yapc.org/America/accommodations-2005.shtml Registration Register now! :-) We are on track to break attendance records at YAPC::NA this year, and we could even sell out before the conference starts. The price for the full 3 days is USD$85. We keep it insanely low through many generous sponsorships and the all-volunteer organizational and speaking crews. Registration info: http://yapc.org/America/register-2005.shtml Direct registration link: http://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=registrant%20infoconference_id=423 Conference Speaking Schedule We've got an excellent selection of talks and speakers for Perl programmers of all levels, beginner through expert. We are fortunate enough to have presentations coming from some of the most recognizable names in Perl programming today, including Larry Wall, Chip Salzenberg, Dan Sugalski, Autrijus Tang and brian d foy. Summary -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/summary.html Day 1 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day1.html Day 2 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day2.html Day 3 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day3.html Lightning Talks --- These short (5 minutes each) talks, presented by the conference attendees, are a YAPC tradition. If you're interested please read more about them and sign up: http://www.justanotherperlhacker.org/lightning/ [ This message was sent by Gerard Lim [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of the YAPC::NA 2005 Conference organizing committee of the Toronto Perl Mongers. Thanks for your patience and support. ] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
