Re: Serial admin console program

2008-10-03 Thread Alan Johnson
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Run "minicom -s" as root to set defaults.
>
>  Under "Serial port setup", tweak parameters (speed, data bits,
> parity, stop bits, flow control) to appropriate defaults for your
> scenario.  Don't worry about the port device yet.
>
>  Under "Modem and dialing", change init string to an empty string.
> (Quick method: Press A, type a single space, then a single backspace,
> then press [ENTER].)  Do same for reset string and hang-up string.
> Set "Auto bps detect" to no, "Modem has DCD line" to yes if your DCE
> gives DCD, and status line to show DTE speed.
>
>  I like to tweak the "Screen and keyboard" to tune appearance to my
> taste.  If your equipment is doing anything "funny", you may also want
> to disable macros and/or tweak character conversion here.
>
>  Invoke "Save setup as dfl" to make the settings the default.
>
>  Now go back to "Serial port setup", change the device to
> "/dev/ttyS0".  Use "Save setup as..." to save as "com1".  Change
> device to "ttyS1", save as "com2".  Continue up through ttyS3/com4.
>
>  "Exit from Minicom".
>
>  Now you can use "minicom com1" to get COM1, "minicom com2", etc.
>
>  I also usually created a shell alias for "minicom" to "minicom -m -c
> on".  That turns on color, and causes the meta key (spelled "ALT" by
> IBM) to be used for commands.  Thus, [CTRL]+[A] becomes available for
> use in the terminal, and [ALT]+[H], [ALT]+[X], etc., work they way
> they did in Telix and Telemate.
>
>  I haven't done this in a while, but it seemed to all still work the
> same way when I tested it just now.  :)
>
> -- Ben
> ___
> gnhlug-discuss mailing list
> gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
> http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
>


OK folks, I have finally gotten back to this and have something of a new
twist on the subject.  I have followed Ben's instructions except the bit
about creating com1 and com2 configs (which is very cool) because I only
have the one serial port on this machine.  This essentially creates the
blank config file that MOD posted (thanks, MOD).  Now, this all started
because I confused the hell out the device that is attached by sending some
of these modem strings in the first place, as descibed by MOD.  After
creating starting minicom with the new clean config file, also using the -o
option (thanks Neil).

For what is worth, I actually did all this on my laptop last time I was on
sight and had no problem, so I guess I had a bit of a clue, but must have
forgotten to do it on the server before I connected to the device.  Doh!  I
also used the -t vt100 option to force the correct emulation for this
device, which does seem to help with the presentation of the
text/GUI/menu-ish interface it has.  Since I broke it, I have tired with and
without -t for pretty much every attempt.

Anyway, I still get nothing out of the serial port at boot.  I have had the
device power cycled, I soft rebooted the server it is connected to (which is
a bear to do because it is in use for other things), and then had the device
power cycled several times after that (which is how I cleared things up on a
similar device in a similar situation before).

The question/twist is, is there some way to flush or empy out the buffer on
a serial port?  I am convinced that the serial port is still confusing
things.  I have had the colo guys leave the device powered off for now and
will try again soon hoping things will clear them selves out over time.  Any
suggestions on resetting buffers or other ideas that might help would be
much appreciated in the mean time.

Thanks to you all for the suggestions so far.  I love the screen idea, tried
it, and got nothing just as with minicom.  I will try it again after I see
things working.  I also want to try the mapping to a TCP port for telnet
access, but again, will wait until I know it is working so I know what to
expect.

__
Alan Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 3, 2008, at 18:43, Travis Roy wrote:

> Canola (http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/) doesn't fit the bill?

On paper it does.  In software it doesn't actually work.  Yet (they  
say).   Due out Q12008!

> I'm hopefully getting a n810 this Christmas.


They have one with a cell modem coming out - might be worth looking  
into.

-Bill

-
Bill McGonigle, Owner   Work: 603.448.4440
BFC Computing, LLC  Home: 603.448.1668
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Cell: 603.252.2606
http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833
Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/
VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf


___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Travis Roy
> I
> simply haven't found (nor written) any decent software for playback
> and updating on the n810.

Canola (http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/) doesn't fit the bill?

I'm hopefully getting a n810 this Christmas.
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread Bill McGonigle

On Oct 3, 2008, at 15:22, Darrell Michaud wrote:

> Another advanced option is to run your own transparent proxy, which  
> then
> itself authenticates and forwards to your company's proxy. This  
> gives you
> the benefit of being able to support applications that are proxy- 
> unaware.

Win.  I hadn't thought of that one before but it's quite an elegant  
idea.

Bruce, google 'squid transparent proxy' for some links.

-Bill

-
Bill McGonigle, Owner   Work: 603.448.4440
BFC Computing, LLC  Home: 603.448.1668
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Cell: 603.252.2606
http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833
Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/
VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf

___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 3, 2008, at 09:49, Jesse Lazar wrote:

> What are others using?
>
> Are you happy with it, what are the shortcomings?


I was expecting to replace my iPod (5GB) with my n810, so I bought an  
8GB memory card for it, but I haven't given up the iPod yet.  I  
simply haven't found (nor written) any decent software for playback  
and updating on the n810.  The hardware is perfect, 802.11g and a  
built-in speaker (plus headphone & bluetooth).  It should just sync  
the podcasts directly or via an rsync job, but nobody has taken the  
time to build a nice solution yet.

FWIW, my iPod has had its battery replaced once (it's getting to  
needing it done again - the cold exaggerates the loss) and I re- 
soldered the firewire connector back to the mobo a few months ago:

   http://pictures.mcgonigle.us/main.php?g2_itemId=4990
   (ob. geek porn)

It'll be 7 years old next month and holds the podcasts.  The Rockbox  
3 bootloader won't find its software image on this device, so it's on  
the (now ancient) Apple firmware at present.

-Bill


-
Bill McGonigle, Owner   Work: 603.448.4440
BFC Computing, LLC  Home: 603.448.1668
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Cell: 603.252.2606
http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833
Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/
VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf

___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 15:41 -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 15:05 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > How about in yumex?  Same edit as in yum.conf?
> 
> yumex is just a gui frontend to yum, so the same yum.conf tweaks to fix
> cli yum should also make yumex happy. (at least, I certainly hope so)

Amusingly enough, uniform/centralized proxy configuration is also the
topic du jour on the fedora devel mailing list...

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-October/msg00185.html



-- 
Jarod Wilson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 15:05 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> How about in yumex?  Same edit as in yum.conf?

yumex is just a gui frontend to yum, so the same yum.conf tweaks to fix
cli yum should also make yumex happy. (at least, I certainly hope so)

> > > 
> > > Now how do I do yum?  edit yum.conf?
> > 
> > I think you can set proxy info in yum.conf, and yum definitely
> respects
> > the http_proxy environment var.


-- 
Jarod Wilson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread Darrell Michaud
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> When I first used my
> browser in linux, it challenged me.  I provided the correct credentials
> and was able to access the net.
>


As others have said a clean fix is to configure your services like yum and
ftp (use a graphical client for easiest configuration) to use your
company's proxy server with the correct authentication data. This will
work as long as those services support your proxy's authentication
mechanism.

Another advanced option is to run your own transparent proxy, which then
itself authenticates and forwards to your company's proxy. This gives you
the benefit of being able to support applications that are proxy-unaware.

In a pinch.. One trick that has worked for me in the past if your proxy
uses HTTP cookies for session-tracking is to programatically feed those
active cookies to wget and similar tools so they can piggyback on to your
browser's session. This is a general mechanism that is useful for
automating tasks on web sites/applications that use simple cookie-based
authentication, especially if the cookies do not have server-side enforced
expiration times.

___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread bruce . labitt
How about in yumex?  Same edit as in yum.conf?

-Bruce

> > 
> > Now how do I do yum?  edit yum.conf?
> 
> I think you can set proxy info in yum.conf, and yum definitely respects
> the http_proxy environment var.

**
Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or 
constitutes an electronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the 
absence of an express statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the 
contrary.This E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and 
may contain legally privileged, confidential and/or proprietary 
information.The recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, 
copying, forwarding or in any way disseminating any material contained 
within this E-mail without prior written permission from the author. If you 
receive this E-mail in error, please immediately notify the author and 
delete this E-mail.  Autoliv disclaims all responsibility and liability for 
the consequences of any person who fails to abide by the terms herein. 
**___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 14:24 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >   That sounds like either (A1) an HTTP proxy server or (A2) a
> > firewall doing HTTP interception.
> > 
> 
> I have just run ntlmaps, which at least for the time being gives me
> wget. 
> The price I have to pay is an .wgetrc file.  In it is the redirection
> of wget to my proxy, which then
> gets the company one through ntlmaps.  Seems to work, but there are a
> few troubling things, like having
> passwords in the clear in the file server.cfg.  I hope to fiddle about
> with it so that requirement goes away. 
> 
> I'm lucky I am the master of my own machine :)  Linux is cool that
> way. 
> Lot's of ways to shoot myself in the foot. :0
> 
> Now how do I do yum?  edit yum.conf?

I think you can set proxy info in yum.conf, and yum definitely respects
the http_proxy environment var.

> When I install Ubuntu, or some non-Red Hat distro, is it the same
> general proceedure?

Should be.


-- 
Jarod Wilson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread bruce . labitt
> > Right now I am trying to figure out why yum and wget (http and ftp) 
fail.
> 
>   Can you describe the failure mode?  In other words, what happens?
> Do they fail immediately with an error message?  Sit there forever
> like they're trying, but never make progress? 

Sits there forever...  Well past my point of patience...

> Sit for a while and
> then give a message?  Note any messages you do get.
> 
> > When I first used my browser in linux, it challenged me.  I provided 
the
> > correct credentials and was able to access the net.
> 
>   That sounds like either (A1) an HTTP proxy server or (A2) a firewall
> doing HTTP interception.
> 

I have just run ntlmaps, which at least for the time being gives me wget. 
The price
I have to pay is an .wgetrc file.  In it is the redirection of wget to my 
proxy, which then
gets the company one through ntlmaps.  Seems to work, but there are a few 
troubling things, like having
passwords in the clear in the file server.cfg.  I hope to fiddle about 
with it so that requirement goes away. 

I'm lucky I am the master of my own machine :)  Linux is cool that way. 
Lot's of ways to
shoot myself in the foot. :0

Now how do I do yum?  edit yum.conf?

When I install Ubuntu, or some non-Red Hat distro, is it the same general 
proceedure?

> 
>   I would just say you've got a Linux computer which needs Internet
> access, and ask what kind of network connection and security
> mechanisms you need to be aware of.  They should be able to provide
> you with info on what they are doing, even if they "don't do Linux"
> themselves.
> 

I sent in a couple of questions to the remote site.  Hopefully they can 
answer.  However,
I think I am getting closer...

-Bruce
**
Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or 
constitutes an electronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the 
absence of an express statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the 
contrary.This E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and 
may contain legally privileged, confidential and/or proprietary 
information.The recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, 
copying, forwarding or in any way disseminating any material contained 
within this E-mail without prior written permission from the author. If you 
receive this E-mail in error, please immediately notify the author and 
delete this E-mail.  Autoliv disclaims all responsibility and liability for 
the consequences of any person who fails to abide by the terms herein. 
**___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Travis Roy
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 13:32 -0400, Heidi A. Strohl wrote:
>> I have an iPod nano, and I can't believe I fell for the iPod schtick
>> again. In retrospect, I should have known: my fiancee has bought me a
>> new iPod every year for the past four years. I have never had an Apple
>> device that lasted more than 1 year before malfunctioning.
>
> In contrast, I've got two iPods, one four and a half years old (3rd-gen,
> greyscale, click-wheel), one three years old (first video model), and
> both continue to work flawlessly. As does my wife's three year old nano.
> My brother still has his first-generation 5GB iPod, and only recently
> replaced it due to long-since outgrowing the capacity (he got a 32GB
> iPod Touch).

My wife's B&W iPod (the one just before the photo) just died last
year, and it still kinda works.

My 5G video got wet and the battery shorted out, replaced the battery.
Then I left my sunroof open and it got rained on, bought a new board
and clickwheel on ebay and replaced those myself. No problems since.
(I have a bad history with iPods and water).
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 13:32 -0400, Heidi A. Strohl wrote:
> I have an iPod nano, and I can't believe I fell for the iPod schtick
> again. In retrospect, I should have known: my fiancee has bought me a
> new iPod every year for the past four years. I have never had an Apple
> device that lasted more than 1 year before malfunctioning.

In contrast, I've got two iPods, one four and a half years old (3rd-gen,
greyscale, click-wheel), one three years old (first video model), and
both continue to work flawlessly. As does my wife's three year old nano.
My brother still has his first-generation 5GB iPod, and only recently
replaced it due to long-since outgrowing the capacity (he got a 32GB
iPod Touch).

Now that my older iPod has more or less been supplanted by an iPhone, I
think I'll throw Rockbox 3.0 on it for giggles, since its been quite a
while since I've played with it (it was in its infancy and frankly
sucked the last time I tried it out, but that has to be three years ago
now).



-- 
Jarod Wilson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread bruce . labitt
Yes, the box in question can access the internet through the browser.  The 
browser has saved the challenge response sequence, so I do not have to do 
it anymore in the browser.  I need to be able to access the internet 
through wget and yum.

-Bruce




mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
10/03/2008 01:34 PM

To
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
Subject
Re: How do I diagnose this?






Do the Linux boxes in question have access to the Internet?  Depending on 
how your network is setup, they may need either NAT'd addresses, to belong 
to the Windows Domain, or both. And/or it may be a firewall issue (with 
the network, not the Linux systems). 

mark

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Recently I changed employment.  (Our group was bought.)  It appears that 
the new network is configured quite differently than at my previous 
employer.  Naturally, stuff has broken.   Right now I am trying to figure 
out why yum and wget (http and ftp) fail.  I think it may be because the 
programs would need to login to the network before being allowed access. 

From my observations, this past week, I believe this is a windows centric 
organization.  I have an active directory login.  When I first used my 
browser in linux, it challenged me.  I provided the correct credentials 
and was able to access the net. 

What should I do to try to figure this out?  Do I need to use ntlmaps, 
which is a python program? 

My local IT person linux experience is not recent, however, he seems to be 
quite willing to learn.  I would like to know what to ask for, or at the 
very least how to write up a help ticket.  It would be fun to figure this 
out with the list's collective help, however, which is why I am asking... 

-Bruce 
**
Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or 
constitutes an 
electronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the absence of an 

express statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the contrary.

This E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and may 
contain legally 
privileged, confidential and/or proprietary information.
The recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, copying, 
forwarding or in any way 

disseminating any material contained within this E-mail without prior 
written 
permission from the author. If you receive this E-mail in error, please 
immediately notify the author and delete this E-mail.  Autoliv disclaims 
all 

responsibility and liability for the consequences of any person who fails 
to 
abide by the terms herein. 

**

___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/



**
Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or 
constitutes an electronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the 
absence of an express statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the 
contrary.This E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and 
may contain legally privileged, confidential and/or proprietary 
information.The recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, 
copying, forwarding or in any way disseminating any material contained 
within this E-mail without prior written permission from the author. If you 
receive this E-mail in error, please immediately notify the author and 
delete this E-mail.  Autoliv disclaims all responsibility and liability for 
the consequences of any person who fails to abide by the terms herein. 
**___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread bruce . labitt
It appears it is all requests.

-Bruce




"Thomas Charron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
10/03/2008 01:33 PM

To
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
Subject
Re: How do I diagnose this?






On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Recently I changed employment.  (Our group was bought.)  It appears that 
the
> new network is configured quite differently than at my previous 
employer.
>  Naturally, stuff has broken.   Right now I am trying to figure out why 
yum
> and wget (http and ftp) fail.  I think it may be because the programs 
would
> need to login to the network before being allowed access.
>
> From my observations, this past week, I believe this is a windows 
centric
> organization.  I have an active directory login.  When I first used my
> browser in linux, it challenged me.  I provided the correct credentials 
and
> was able to access the net.
>
> What should I do to try to figure this out?  Do I need to use ntlmaps, 
which
> is a python program?
>
> My local IT person linux experience is not recent, however, he seems to 
be
> quite willing to learn.  I would like to know what to ask for, or at the
> very least how to write up a help ticket.  It would be fun to figure 
this
> out with the list's collective help, however, which is why I am 
asking...

  After you open the web browser and go out after answering the
challenge, can wget now access?  Or is the firewall actively requiring
HTTP security for all requests?

-- 
-- Thomas


**
Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or 
constitutes an electronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the 
absence of an express statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the 
contrary.This E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and 
may contain legally privileged, confidential and/or proprietary 
information.The recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, 
copying, forwarding or in any way disseminating any material contained 
within this E-mail without prior written permission from the author. If you 
receive this E-mail in error, please immediately notify the author and 
delete this E-mail.  Autoliv disclaims all responsibility and liability for 
the consequences of any person who fails to abide by the terms herein. 
**___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Recently I changed employment.  (Our group was bought.)

  "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."  :-)

> Right now I am trying to figure out why yum and wget (http and ftp) fail.

  Can you describe the failure mode?  In other words, what happens?
Do they fail immediately with an error message?  Sit there forever
like they're trying, but never make progress?  Sit for a while and
then give a message?  Note any messages you do get.

> When I first used my browser in linux, it challenged me.  I provided the
> correct credentials and was able to access the net.

  That sounds like either (A1) an HTTP proxy server or (A2) a firewall
doing HTTP interception.

  A1 means that all requests to "outside" resources have to be sent to
a specific server (the proxy server), which then handles them on your
behalf.  There are a reasonably well-defined set of standards,
including a way for browsers to automatically discover the local
network's proxy server.  wget and yum, however, would need to be
manually told.

  An easy way to find out if proxy auto-discovery happened is to open
up a command prompt window and issue the command:

ping wpad

If ping is able to resolve "wpad" ("web proxy auto detect") to an IP
address, then an HTTP proxy server is almost certainly in use.

  A2 is trickier.  The general idea is that a firewall intercepts
*all* web pages requests, and gives you a login screen instead.  (In
other words, you request "http://www.yahoo.com/";, but get the firewall
login instead.)  Once you authenticate yourself to the firewall, your
IP address is allowed on to the 'net.  The specifics, however, tend to
depend on the brand/model of firewall.  Some are platform agnostic;
some require Windows-specific software to run on your computer.

> My local IT person linux experience is not recent, however, he seems to be
> quite willing to learn.  I would like to know what to ask for, or at the
> very least how to write up a help ticket.

  I would just say you've got a Linux computer which needs Internet
access, and ask what kind of network connection and security
mechanisms you need to be aware of.  They should be able to provide
you with info on what they are doing, even if they "don't do Linux"
themselves.

-- Ben
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Mark E. Mallett
On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:15:16AM -0400, Stephen Ryan wrote:
> 
> There are other models from other companies that do work with a version
> of Rockbox. Sandisk actually requested a port to the Sansa e200 series,
> and donated player(s?) to the Rockbox team for it.  I'd report on how
> well it works, but my Sansa e260 is currently a nice-looking
> paperweight, thanks to the efforts of my cat (he dropped it in his water
> bowl one night) :-(

I'm a reasonably happy e260/rockbox user.  The stickiest drawback is
that you have to boot into the original firmware to use the USB
interface.  Rockbox will even generate a scroblog file that you can
use to update track info to last.fm - a friend wrote a q&d python
script which I use for that.  (me on last.fm: www.last.fm/user/revmem).  

Things like this are also nice grandfather devices.  By which I mean
I can carry images around on it instead of (or in addition to) having
wallet photos :)  And I can put podcasts on it to listen to during
the down-time while babysitting.

Ever in geezer mode,
mm
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread Thomas Charron
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:34 PM, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do the Linux boxes in question have access to the Internet?  Depending on
> how your network is setup, they may need either NAT'd addresses, to belong
> to the Windows Domain, or both. And/or it may be a firewall issue (with the
> network, not the Linux systems).

  From his original post:

> When I first used my browser in linux, it challenged me.  I provided the 
> correct credentials and was able to access the net.

-- 
-- Thomas
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread mark
Do the Linux boxes in question have access to the Internet?  Depending on
how your network is setup, they may need either NAT'd addresses, to belong
to the Windows Domain, or both. And/or it may be a firewall issue (with the
network, not the Linux systems).

mark

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Recently I changed employment.  (Our group was bought.)  It appears that
> the new network is configured quite differently than at my previous
> employer.  Naturally, stuff has broken.   Right now I am trying to figure
> out why yum and wget (http and ftp) fail.  I think it may be because the
> programs would need to login to the network before being allowed access.
>
> From my observations, this past week, I believe this is a windows centric
> organization.  I have an active directory login.  When I first used my
> browser in linux, it challenged me.  I provided the correct credentials and
> was able to access the net.
>
> What should I do to try to figure this out?  Do I need to use ntlmaps,
> which is a python program?
>
> My local IT person linux experience is not recent, however, he seems to be
> quite willing to learn.  I would like to know what to ask for, or at the
> very least how to write up a help ticket.  It would be fun to figure this
> out with the list's collective help, however, which is why I am asking...
>
> -Bruce
>
> **
> Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or 
> constitutes an
> electronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the absence of an
> express statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the contrary.
> This E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and may contain 
> legally
> privileged, confidential and/or proprietary information.
> The recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, copying, 
> forwarding or in any way
> disseminating any material contained within this E-mail without prior written
> permission from the author. If you receive this E-mail in error, please
> immediately notify the author and delete this E-mail.  Autoliv disclaims all
> responsibility and liability for the consequences of any person who fails to
> abide by the terms herein.
>
> **
>
>
> ___
> gnhlug-discuss mailing list
> gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
> http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
>
>
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread Thomas Charron
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Recently I changed employment.  (Our group was bought.)  It appears that the
> new network is configured quite differently than at my previous employer.
>  Naturally, stuff has broken.   Right now I am trying to figure out why yum
> and wget (http and ftp) fail.  I think it may be because the programs would
> need to login to the network before being allowed access.
>
> From my observations, this past week, I believe this is a windows centric
> organization.  I have an active directory login.  When I first used my
> browser in linux, it challenged me.  I provided the correct credentials and
> was able to access the net.
>
> What should I do to try to figure this out?  Do I need to use ntlmaps, which
> is a python program?
>
> My local IT person linux experience is not recent, however, he seems to be
> quite willing to learn.  I would like to know what to ask for, or at the
> very least how to write up a help ticket.  It would be fun to figure this
> out with the list's collective help, however, which is why I am asking...

  After you open the web browser and go out after answering the
challenge, can wget now access?  Or is the firewall actively requiring
HTTP security for all requests?

-- 
-- Thomas
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Heidi A. Strohl
I have an iPod nano, and I can't believe I fell for the iPod schtick again.
In retrospect, I should have known: my fiancee has bought me a new iPod
every year for the past four years. I have never had an Apple device that
lasted more than 1 year before malfunctioning. My nano has set a new record
by failing to allow me to access playlists, now 8 months in. Since the iPod
won't let you just drag and drop music, I use Floola, which works great (at
least for the first year); I found that Rhythmbox and Banshee worked fine at
first but didn't prove compatible with all features.

The kicker is, I bought my fiancee a version 1 Sandisk Sansa (version 2 only
supports Microsoft formats) for Xmas last year. He immediately installed
Rockbox; it works flawlessly and we expect it will continue to. He can just
drag and drop, since like many other mp3 players it appears as a USB drive.

As far as design and styling go, I find that the iPod user interface is
slightly more intuitive and that my iPod was significantly thinner and
somewhat sleeker. That is where the advantages end. The Sansa was slightly
less expensive and, obviously, has proven a better value. Further, he can
add memory to his Sansa by purchasing an inexpensive MSD card; my iPod is
stuck at 4 GB, of which I can only use a portion without causing
malfunction. Sadly, I think we'll have to wait for Christmastime before
Sandisk comes out with a new model which might support non-Microsoft
formats.

-- 
 Heidi A. Strohl
 Meticulous Design for Print and Web

 1.802.407.1417
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.heidistrohl.com/
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


How do I diagnose this?

2008-10-03 Thread bruce . labitt
Recently I changed employment.  (Our group was bought.)  It appears that 
the new network is configured quite differently than at my previous 
employer.  Naturally, stuff has broken.   Right now I am trying to figure 
out why yum and wget (http and ftp) fail.  I think it may be because the 
programs would need to login to the network before being allowed access. 

From my observations, this past week, I believe this is a windows centric 
organization.  I have an active directory login.  When I first used my 
browser in linux, it challenged me.  I provided the correct credentials 
and was able to access the net.

What should I do to try to figure this out?  Do I need to use ntlmaps, 
which is a python program?

My local IT person linux experience is not recent, however, he seems to be 
quite willing to learn.  I would like to know what to ask for, or at the 
very least how to write up a help ticket.  It would be fun to figure this 
out with the list's collective help, however, which is why I am asking...

-Bruce
**
Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or 
constitutes an electronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the 
absence of an express statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the 
contrary.This E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and 
may contain legally privileged, confidential and/or proprietary 
information.The recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, 
copying, forwarding or in any way disseminating any material contained 
within this E-mail without prior written permission from the author. If you 
receive this E-mail in error, please immediately notify the author and 
delete this E-mail.  Autoliv disclaims all responsibility and liability for 
the consequences of any person who fails to abide by the terms herein. 
**___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Tom Buskey
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Jesse Lazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Is ipod the way to go for portable music player within Linux. My
> understanding is that it can be done easily, however I am curious as to what
> others use...
>
> Yes, I am shopping for a portable player and have never owned one!
>
> Also, I am strictly interested in playing music, not so much videos or
> whatever else it is they do...
>
> I run Ubuntu and the default player is rhythmbox. By default this creates
> ogg files when I import a cd into my collection. I am sure that I could
> either install another player (or maybe configure this to create mpg files).
> I would try to stick with the ogg as my understanding is that it is FOSS.
>
> I am aware that other companies manufacture these players and my
> understanding is that some can play ogg files...
>
>

The 1st thing is to figure out what you need and then find the player that
matches that.


> What are others using?
>
> Are you happy with it, what are the shortcomings?
>
>

I wanted an MP3 player that could hold all my music (40+ GB) that would sync
with Linux.
I put all my music in MP3 so I could play on anything.  I had an older MP3
player that used CF cards.

I ended up going with an iPod 80GB 5.5th generation.  There are fewer
choices when you get to 40 GB.  An iPod 80 GB had growing room and ended up
a bit cheaper then other brands.  Plus *everyone* makes iPod accessories.

I tried rhythmbox but now I use Amarok on Ubuntu.


Your Mileage Will Vary from mine, I'm sure.
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Šarūnas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Šarūnas wrote:
> Travis Roy wrote:
>>> Meizu M3 Music Card. Plays OGG, FLAC and a variety of other audio
>>> formats. "Appears" as USB storage, where audio files can be simply
>>> copied to.
>>>
>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/02/meizus-m3-music-card-unboxed
>> Have you used one of these? A former coworker got an "iPod knockoff".
>> It looked great, had some great features and seemed solid.
> I own M3 8GB for 1.5--2 years by now I think. Don't use too often
> though, only while on a bus/plane.
> 
>> Until after about a month. The headphone jack broke. He managed to
>> open it up to take a look since it was useless anyway. The inside was
>> substandard. Bad solder joints, crappy plastic. That's what ended up
>> being the problem. The headphone jack wiggled lose on the inside and
>> basically snapped off the board.
> Nothing has broken/gone bad so far. Didn't have a chance to take a look
> inside :) Exterior quality is inferior to that of an iPod, IMO.
I meant to say "isn't inferior".

Šarūnas


-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkjmPcYACgkQVVkpJ1MUn+abEwCeKE/wKwganTfjOy3CsyClFk9X
sEcAn2tJq8u+N0ukmdDwNdozR/GosqWe
=AruS
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Šarūnas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Travis Roy wrote:
>> Meizu M3 Music Card. Plays OGG, FLAC and a variety of other audio
>> formats. "Appears" as USB storage, where audio files can be simply
>> copied to.
>>
>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/02/meizus-m3-music-card-unboxed
> 
> Have you used one of these? A former coworker got an "iPod knockoff".
> It looked great, had some great features and seemed solid.
I own M3 8GB for 1.5--2 years by now I think. Don't use too often
though, only while on a bus/plane.

> Until after about a month. The headphone jack broke. He managed to
> open it up to take a look since it was useless anyway. The inside was
> substandard. Bad solder joints, crappy plastic. That's what ended up
> being the problem. The headphone jack wiggled lose on the inside and
> basically snapped off the board.
Nothing has broken/gone bad so far. Didn't have a chance to take a look
inside :) Exterior quality is inferior to that of an iPod, IMO.

> I'd be careful. I like looking for deals to, but with something that
> gets banged up like portable music players do, it might be worth it to
> go name brand, or at least that's been around long enough to have a
> bunch of people use it.
I have skimmed through http://www.meizume.com forums before buying and
wasn't scared away. Plays OGG, mounts via USB, no management software
required, small, laconic design --- those were the criteria in my case.

Šarūnas



-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkjmOFMACgkQVVkpJ1MUn+Y75gCgksQU3FFPWWH8NKCoeo5CiVJr
Bq4An38phaf7mhauS4m7lNJS/YtkaYjz
=j06T
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 11:04 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Travis Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You could get an iPod and install RockBox on it.
> > http://www.rockbox.org/
> > I played with it a few years ago and was actually impressed. I thought
> > it was going to be a bit "hackish" but it wasn't.
> 
>   Warning on that.  The new iPods now have encrypted firmwares, and
> CANNOT run Linux anymore.  So if you want to try it out, make sure to
> check the model to ensure it's supported.
> 

There are other models from other companies that do work with a version
of Rockbox. Sandisk actually requested a port to the Sansa e200 series,
and donated player(s?) to the Rockbox team for it.  I'd report on how
well it works, but my Sansa e260 is currently a nice-looking
paperweight, thanks to the efforts of my cat (he dropped it in his water
bowl one night) :-(

___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Thomas Charron
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Travis Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You could get an iPod and install RockBox on it.
> http://www.rockbox.org/
> I played with it a few years ago and was actually impressed. I thought
> it was going to be a bit "hackish" but it wasn't.

  Warning on that.  The new iPods now have encrypted firmwares, and
CANNOT run Linux anymore.  So if you want to try it out, make sure to
check the model to ensure it's supported.

-- 
-- Thomas
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Travis Roy
> Meizu M3 Music Card. Plays OGG, FLAC and a variety of other audio
> formats. "Appears" as USB storage, where audio files can be simply
> copied to.
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/02/meizus-m3-music-card-unboxed

Have you used one of these? A former coworker got an "iPod knockoff".
It looked great, had some great features and seemed solid.

Until after about a month. The headphone jack broke. He managed to
open it up to take a look since it was useless anyway. The inside was
substandard. Bad solder joints, crappy plastic. That's what ended up
being the problem. The headphone jack wiggled lose on the inside and
basically snapped off the board.

I'd be careful. I like looking for deals to, but with something that
gets banged up like portable music players do, it might be worth it to
go name brand, or at least that's been around long enough to have a
bunch of people use it.
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Šarūnas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Jesse Lazar wrote:
> Hey,
>  
> Is ipod the way to go for portable music player within Linux. My
> understanding is that it can be done easily, however I am curious as to
> what others use...
>  
> Yes, I am shopping for a portable player and have never owned one!
>  
> Also, I am strictly interested in playing music, not so much videos or
> whatever else it is they do...
>  
> I run Ubuntu and the default player is rhythmbox. By default this
> creates ogg files when I import a cd into my collection. I am sure that
> I could either install another player (or maybe configure this to create
> mpg files). I would try to stick with the ogg as my understanding is
> that it is FOSS.
>  
> I am aware that other companies manufacture these players and my
> understanding is that some can play ogg files...
>  
> What are others using?
>  
Meizu M3 Music Card. Plays OGG, FLAC and a variety of other audio
formats. "Appears" as USB storage, where audio files can be simply
copied to.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/02/meizus-m3-music-card-unboxed

Šarūnas


-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkjmL5wACgkQVVkpJ1MUn+bsBQCcCKAiyulXgspbhWX+VOyzYfJI
nZMAoIsT8TNg2jUYAUcUfC4vCyN91bvp
=Hxo+
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Travis Roy
You could get an iPod and install RockBox on it.

http://www.rockbox.org/

I played with it a few years ago and was actually impressed. I thought
it was going to be a bit "hackish" but it wasn't.

I did go back to the normal Apple firmware because I use iTunes and
have purchased music that I can't play otherwise. Well, my wife bought
music that I like.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Jesse Lazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Is ipod the way to go for portable music player within Linux. My
> understanding is that it can be done easily, however I am curious as to what
> others use...
>
> Yes, I am shopping for a portable player and have never owned one!
>
> Also, I am strictly interested in playing music, not so much videos or
> whatever else it is they do...
>
> I run Ubuntu and the default player is rhythmbox. By default this creates
> ogg files when I import a cd into my collection. I am sure that I could
> either install another player (or maybe configure this to create mpg files).
> I would try to stick with the ogg as my understanding is that it is FOSS.
>
> I am aware that other companies manufacture these players and my
> understanding is that some can play ogg files...
>
> What are others using?
>
> Are you happy with it, what are the shortcomings?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> ___
> gnhlug-discuss mailing list
> gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
> http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
>
>



-- 
Travis Roy
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Brian Chabot


Jesse Lazar wrote:
> Hey,
>  
> Is ipod the way to go for portable music player within Linux. My 
> understanding is that it can be done easily, however I am curious as to 
> what others use...

Speaking from a Mandriva perspective... (YMMV in other distros)

Syncing an iPod in Mandriva 2008.1 is not plug-and-play, but isn't too 
difficult.  RTFM and follow the directions and you'll be fine.

Moving files back and forth IS trivial and Plug-and-Play if you use 
Amarok as your Linux side music player.

For true simplicity, I like RCA's line of inexpensive mp3 players.  They 
connect as simple USB drives and require no drivers in any OS.  Sync is 
by your preferred method of file moving/copying/etc.  I got one from 
Walmart a few years ago with an SD card slot and more recently for a 
(now amicably ex-)girlfriend.  Both require no drivers.

Good luck and let us know what you end up doing.


Brian



-- 
---
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proprietor: http://www.JustWorksNH.com |
| Computers and Web Sites that JUST WORK  |
|   Work: +1 (603) 484-1461Home: +1 (603) 484-1469|
---
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/


portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Jesse Lazar
Hey,

Is ipod the way to go for portable music player within Linux. My
understanding is that it can be done easily, however I am curious as to what
others use...

Yes, I am shopping for a portable player and have never owned one!

Also, I am strictly interested in playing music, not so much videos or
whatever else it is they do...

I run Ubuntu and the default player is rhythmbox. By default this creates
ogg files when I import a cd into my collection. I am sure that I could
either install another player (or maybe configure this to create mpg files).
I would try to stick with the ogg as my understanding is that it is FOSS.

I am aware that other companies manufacture these players and my
understanding is that some can play ogg files...

What are others using?

Are you happy with it, what are the shortcomings?


Thanks
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/