Re: [GNC] Scroll through tabs

[Liz]

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 07:14:16 +0200
Catscrash  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have the same issue on ubuntu and reported it a while back,
> apparently it's a gtk issue... I have unhappily resorted to using
> ctrl+(alt)+page down/up, but it's a lot less convenient
> 
> best regards
I tried it today on Debian. I've never used this feature, but
experimented.
Debian Buster/Sid
Gnucash
Version: 3.4
Build ID: 3.4+ (2018-12-30)
Finance::Quote: 1.47
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Re: [GNC] First Day of the Week

[Catscrash]

Hi,

at least for Ubuntu this is definitely not a problem. I don't know if
the mailinglist allows pictures, but the date-chooser definitely shows
the monday as first day of the week:


I have the date settings in gnucash set to system default and my ubuntu
is set to german

I'm not sure how to get to that report you are talking about, I'm
certainly happy to check there...

best regards



Am 13.08.19 um 05:01 schrieb John Morris:
> Hi Ken,
>   Thanks for thinking about my little problem. However, I don't see how this 
> would help. The regular Mac interface gives me the option to change the start 
> of the week from the locale's default. GnuCash should be reading that change 
> like all the other date-aware applications. It does not. Also, as I mentioned 
> in my first post, I have tried changing my locale to a region that defaults 
> to Monday as the first day of the week. GnuCash still insists on using Sunday 
> as the first day of the week. I don't see why GnuCash is any more likely to 
> obey a custom locale than it is to obey one of the default locales.
>
>   Have you tried doing this on any system? Did it work? My Windows experience 
> is extremely limited and my Unix experience (other than poking around under 
> the hood of MacOS X) is more than thirty years out of date. I was really 
> hoping to hear from some Mac users living in regions where the default first 
> day of the week is Monday. There must be some. Do they simply ignore this 
> problem or have they found a way to change what seems from my end to be a 
> hard-coded default?
>
> Best,
> John
>
>> On Aug 12, 2019, at 6:04 PM, Kenneth Marshall  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think that that setting is attached to the locale definition. You need to 
>> make a custom locale with the first day of the week defined to be Monday. I 
>> do not have a Mac so do not have any actual experience. On a Linux system 
>> you can edit a file in /usr/share/i18n/locales and then recompile the locale 
>> with something like locale-gen or localdef. Use 'man locale' on your system 
>> to see what you should use. Once you do that and change your locale to the 
>> new one, it should just work.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ken
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Re: [GNC] Scroll through tabs

[Catscrash]

Hi,

I have the same issue on ubuntu and reported it a while back, apparently
it's a gtk issue... I have unhappily resorted to using ctrl+(alt)+page
down/up, but it's a lot less convenient

best regards


Am 13.08.19 um 05:09 schrieb Rick Mobley:
> David,
>
>  
>
> Yes that is how it has worked in the past, and I’m thinking it was version 
> 3.4 or 3.5, but it doesn’t work with my Windows 10 and version 3.6
>
>  
>
> Rick
>
>  
>
> From: David Carlson [mailto:david.carlson@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 7:25 PM
> To: Rick Mobley 
> Cc: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Scroll through tabs
>
>  
>
> Rick,
>
>  
>
> Do you keep the mouse pointer over the the tab area when scrolling?
>
>  
>
> David Carlson 
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 7:17 PM Rick Mobley   > wrote:
>
> Running ver 3.6 now but one of the prior versions allowed me to use my mouse
> scroll wheel to cycle through the open tabs. I can no longer do that, so I
> have reverted to putting the tabs on the left side instead of across the top
> to allow quick access to them. Otherwise, I had to hit the right arrow 7
> times to move from tab 1 to tab 8 which was very unproductive for me.
>
>
>
> Is there a workaround other than what I have already done?
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Transaction Report Sign Reverses

[Christopher Lam]

Maybe I'm being thick here, but it's still not easy. We need to start with
the knowledge that *internally* income amounts are negative -- after all
they usually balance with positive asset amounts. Also, liability amounts
are also internally negative, but no one seems to have a problem with that.

Second, the Transaction Report historically needs to handle multiple types
of grouping and sorting -- not only account-name, but also
other-account-name. Running a TR with sort=other-account-name may not be
that common, but is still supported.

Third, we can select both income and expense accounts for reporting. If
during a period I earn $100 and spend $80, I expect the grand total to be
$20 (or -$20) rather than $180. Conversely if we select both asset and
liability accounts, we'd expect the grand-total to be a net-worth-type
amount.

The TR internally will:
1) get all splits from all specified accounts
2) sort them accordingly - typically stable-sort by account-name (or
other-account-name) and date.
3) keep a tally of subtotals, adding split-amounts which are currently
negative for income amounts.
4) add split details onto table. When the sort-criteria (e.g. account-name)
changes between rows, render the subtotals.

How to design a subtotal strategy that handles all possibilities as above?
Do we want the *split* amounts to be negative for expenses and liability? I
don't know. A better strategy can be used as along as it can handle all gnc
peculiarities as above. I would hope that the TR can produce a useful
output, with subtotals & grand-totals which are consistent irrespective of
the global sign-reversing strategy.

Anyone wishing to try the old strategy, can patch trep-engine.scm as
follows:
(map (lambda (cell)
   (let ((cell-monetary (vector-ref cell 0))
+(reverse? (and (vector-ref cell 1)
reversible-account?))
 (subtotal? (vector-ref cell 2)))
-(and subtotal? cell-monetary)))
+(and subtotal?
+ (if reverse?
+ (gnc:monetary-neg cell-monetary)
+ cell-monetary
 cells)))


On Tue., 13 Aug. 2019, 04:01 Adrien Monteleone, <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> I agree, the FAQ example is incorrect. It doesn’t reverse the sign of
> Business:Expenses when it should.
>
> Even if that were a contra-income account, it would still normally have a
> debit balance (+) and get reversed.
>
> The same goes for using the ‘Credit Accounts’ setting.
>
> 1) Assets = Liabilities + Equity + Retained Earnings/Loss
> textbook
>
> 2) Assets = Liabilities + Equity + (Income - Expenses)
> expand Retained Earnings/Loss
>
> 3) Assets - Liabilities - Equity - (Income - Expenses) = 0
> Move everything to the left side
>
> 4) Assets - Liabilities - Equity - Income + Expenses = 0
> distribute the operation on Income and Expenses
>
> 5) Assets + (-Liabilities) + (-Equity) + (-Income) + Expenses = 0
> changing all operations to (+)
>
> Sign reversal should be for *display* not for calculations. It should
> happen *after* the calculation is done.
>
> Sign reversal is only necessary because the formula used puts everything
> on one side equal to zero and then sets all operations to addition. If the
> formula was changed to the textbook version, all accounts (except expenses
> and contra-accounts) are positive. (or technically, *all* accounts are
> positive, but some operations are subtraction)
>
> Note that in the last equation above (5), Liabilities, Equity and Income
> are NOT negative numbers, that is, you are not reading a double negative.
> Distributing the negative sign when moving all terms to the left IS the
> reversal for the zero balanced version of the equation. Reversing the signs
> again is effectively moving them back to the right, you don’t reverse the
> signs again and then still use the zero balanced equation leaving the
> reversed terms on the left.
>
> Applying the FAQ example:
>
> Assets = $90
> Liabilities = 0
> Equity = 0
> Income = $110
> Expenses = $20
>
> 2) $90 = 0 + 0 + ($110 - $20)
>
> 3) $90 - 0 - 0 - ($110 - $20) = 0
>
> 4) $90 - 0 - 0 - $110 + $20 = 0
>
> 5) $90 + (0) + (0) + (-$110) + $20 = 0
>
> What you can’t do is this:
>
> 6) $90 + (0) + (0) + $110 - $20 ≠ 0 (it equals $180)
> reversing Income/Expense or all Credit accounts
>
> By reversing the signs *again* (on just Credit accounts or just
> Income/Expense) after moving everything to the left and *then* doing the
> calculation is what results in the inequality.
>
> The current report has a bug.
>
> (and from the question posed by the FAQ, what is the sense in running a
> transaction report on your entire book anyway? What might you expect to
> glean from that?)
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 2019, at 3:45 AM, David T. via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> >
> > Well, it seems odd to me that "Double" display (as Adrien noted)(thank
> you, Adrien!) is 

Re: [GNC] First Day of the Week

[Christopher Lam]

On Tue., 13 Aug. 2019, 11:12 John Morris,  wrote:

>  I set this up with a simple transaction report by setting the date range
> to run from the "start of previous month" to "today". I then set the
> primary sort key to "Date" and the primary subtotal for date key to
> "Weekly". If there is a way to get this level of granularity to start on a
> different day, I would like to hear about it.
>

I confirm the transaction report weekly grouping doesn't consider locale
setting at all.


>
>   I'm sorry, but (as I said) I have a lot on my plate. Spending the time
> to write up clear bug reports that probably won't be looked at for years
> and certainly won't be addressed any time soon does not seem like a good
> investment at this time.
>

Conversely, user issues which are not logged in Bugzilla are usually
ignored. Feel free to file a bug about above.
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Re: [GNC] Get online quote for Canada Fund

[Kaman Wu]

I found the place.  it should be:  C:\Strawberry\perl\site\lib\Finance\Quote



On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 10:05 PM Kaman Wu  wrote:

> Hello Ove,
>
> I try to change the code by myself.  I am using windows 10 right now.
>
> I find the perl code
> at: 
> C:\Strawberry\cpan\build\Finance-Quote-1.49-0\lib\Finance\Quote\Cdnfundlibrary.pm
>
> BUT after I made the change, it looks like the GNC still call the old
> code.  Can I change that file directly?
> Does GNC keep a copy of this file? (I cannot find the it)
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 1:46 PM Kaman Wu  wrote:
>
>> thanks a lot.  I will try it.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 1:40 PM Ove Grunnér  wrote:
>>
>>> I was looking at the code in cpan, and it looks like the module is using
>>> this base url
>>>
>>> http://www.fundlibrary.com/funds/db/_fundcard.asp?t=2=
>>>
>>> and then adding the code after it, e.g.
>>> http://www.fundlibrary.com/funds/db/_fundcard.asp?t=2=1743
>>>
>>> however when trying this url, I get Error 404, unknown web page,
>>>
>>> It could be that the module is not current and fails on everything.
>>>
>>> if you are comfortable with perl, you could try changing the url in the 
>>> module.
>>>
>>> I tried also to retrieve the mutual fund from my ubuntu based gnucash, and 
>>> it also fails.
>>>
>>> there are contact details for this module on this url: 
>>> https://metacpan.org/author/ECOCODE
>>>
>>> the author of the code may be able to help more.
>>>
>>> br Ove.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 15:44, Kaman Wu  wrote:
>>>
 Hello Ove,

 Thanks for reply my question.  I did try "1743".  Still get the same
 error message.   I really need solve the problem, otherwise, I have to
 manually input the price for all funds I have.


 PS C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin> perl .\gnc-fq-dump -v
 fundlibrary   1743
 Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
 symbol: 1743 (deduced)   <=== required
   date: ** missing **<=== recommended
   currency: ** missing **<=== required
   last:  <=\
nav:  <=== one of these
  price:  <=/
   timezone:  <=== optional

 ** This stock quote cannot be used by GnuCash!


 All fields returned by Finance::Quote for stock 1743

 stock   field  value
 -   -  -
 1743 errormsg: Fund name 1743 not found
 1743 last: **missing**
 1743  nav: **missing**
 1743price: **missing**
 1743  success: 0

 PS C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin> perl .\gnc-fq-dump -v
 canadamutual  1743
 Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
 symbol: 1743 (deduced)   <=== required
   date: ** missing **<=== recommended
   currency: ** missing **<=== required
   last:  <=\
nav:  <=== one of these
  price:  <=/
   timezone:  <=== optional

 ** This stock quote cannot be used by GnuCash!


 All fields returned by Finance::Quote for stock 1743

 stock   field  value
 -   -  -
 1743 errormsg: Error determining fund code for 1743.
 1743 last: **missing**
 1743  nav: **missing**
 1743price: **missing**
 1743  success: 0






 On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 6:56 AM Ove Grunnér 
 wrote:

> Hi Kaman,
>
> according to https://metacpan.org/pod/Finance::Quote::Cdnfundlibrary
> "This module uses an id that represents the mutual fund on an id used
> by www.fundlibrary.com. There is no easy way of fetching the id
> except to jump onto the fundlibrary website, look up the fund and view the
> url for clues to its id number."
> the url for TDB900 is:
>
> https://www.fundlibrary.com/MutualFunds/Detail/td-canadian-index-fund-e-series/1743
> so try 1743
>
> br Ove.
>
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 04:07, Kaman Wu  wrote:
>
>> I did some search, and found some old posts which are not very
>> helpful.
>>
>> I think I can use:
>> https://metacpan.org/pod/Finance::Quote::Cdnfundlibrary
>> Basing on this module, it use the data from
>> http://www.fundlibrary.com/
>>
>> I do can search TDB900 on this website and find the correct fund.
>>
>> BUT when I setup it up in gnucash, I get quote failed.
>>
>> PS C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin> perl .\gnc-fq-dump -v
>> fundlibrary
>> TDB900
>> Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
>> symbol: TDB900 (deduced) <=== required
>>   date: ** missing **<=== recommended
>>   currency: ** missing **<=== required
>>   

Re: [GNC] Scroll through tabs

[Rick Mobley]

David,

 

Yes that is how it has worked in the past, and I’m thinking it was version 3.4 
or 3.5, but it doesn’t work with my Windows 10 and version 3.6

 

Rick

 

From: David Carlson [mailto:david.carlson@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 7:25 PM
To: Rick Mobley 
Cc: Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Scroll through tabs

 

Rick,

 

Do you keep the mouse pointer over the the tab area when scrolling?

 

David Carlson 

 

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 7:17 PM Rick Mobley mailto:rlmob...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

Running ver 3.6 now but one of the prior versions allowed me to use my mouse
scroll wheel to cycle through the open tabs. I can no longer do that, so I
have reverted to putting the tabs on the left side instead of across the top
to allow quick access to them. Otherwise, I had to hit the right arrow 7
times to move from tab 1 to tab 8 which was very unproductive for me.



Is there a workaround other than what I have already done?



Rick



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Re: [GNC] First Day of the Week

[John Morris]

Hi Adrien,

> How does first day of the week affect reports in GnuCash? The only report I 
> can think of that might be an issue is the Expenses/Income vs. Day of the 
> week, but each day is reported separately, though Sunday is listed first in 
> the key, it is a pie chart. All other date selections I can find are based on 
> month or longer, or use specific dates. (do some reports give weekly 
> subtotals for example? I haven’t seen or used that yet)

  The main issue for us is a report we use to keep track of our income work. It 
reports the amount billed in the current week and each of the weeks since the 
beginning of the previous month. Each of those weeks starts on GnuCash's 
default week-starting day rather than the day we would like to start on. I set 
this up with a simple transaction report by setting the date range to run from 
the "start of previous month" to "today". I then set the primary sort key to 
"Date" and the primary subtotal for date key to "Weekly". If there is a way to 
get this level of granularity to start on a different day, I would like to hear 
about it.

> And please report any issues you find. While previous reports may not have 
> received attention (yet) that does not mean some other issue won’t. It might 
> be that someone else with developer skills and time might jump in and fix one 
> or two. One issue may shed light on others. A discussion may ensue on how to 
> address the issue for when it is actually fixed. So reporting isn’t a waste 
> of time even if they don’t get fixed right away. (or even for an extended 
> period)

  I'm sorry, but (as I said) I have a lot on my plate. Spending the time to 
write up clear bug reports that probably won't be looked at for years and 
certainly won't be addressed any time soon does not seem like a good investment 
at this time.

Best,
John

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 5:22 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> Thanks for the insights.
> 
> How does first day of the week affect reports in GnuCash? The only report I 
> can think of that might be an issue is the Expenses/Income vs. Day of the 
> week, but each day is reported separately, though Sunday is listed first in 
> the key, it is a pie chart. All other date selections I can find are based on 
> month or longer, or use specific dates. (do some reports give weekly 
> subtotals for example? I haven’t seen or used that yet)
> 
> I didn’t think about the date picker as I always enter my dates manually, but 
> certainly, I can see how that could be annoying.
> 
> Certainly, the software should be able to match your life. You shouldn’t have 
> to change to work around a bug.
> 
> And please report any issues you find. While previous reports may not have 
> received attention (yet) that does not mean some other issue won’t. It might 
> be that someone else with developer skills and time might jump in and fix one 
> or two. One issue may shed light on others. A discussion may ensue on how to 
> address the issue for when it is actually fixed. So reporting isn’t a waste 
> of time even if they don’t get fixed right away. (or even for an extended 
> period)
> 
> I know some calendar issues were looked at in the move to 3.x. Perhaps one of 
> the devs familiar with this part of the code might take a look or chime in. 
> There might be a good reason why this is still an issue.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
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Re: [GNC] First Day of the Week

[John Morris]

Hi Frank,
  Thank you for thinking about my little problem.

  I don't understand why we would assume this is a bug in GTK. If GnuCash tells 
GTK to create a calendar with Sundays as the first day of the week, it should 
obey. The problem is that some code is not looking at the locale setting on my 
computer. Since this is a completely new test build, I think I can rule out a 
corrupted operating system. Also, other date-aware applications are correctly 
picking the first day of the week.

  I guess a real test would be to find some other application that uses GTK to 
display calendars and see if it picks the correct first day of the week on my 
system. I'm not aware of any I could try.

Best,
John

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> have a look at https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkCalendar.html
> and tell me, the right call.
> I didn't see it and fear, you should complain at the GTK team.
> 
> Regards
> Frank

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Re: [GNC] First Day of the Week

[John Morris]

Hi Ken,
  Thanks for thinking about my little problem. However, I don't see how this 
would help. The regular Mac interface gives me the option to change the start 
of the week from the locale's default. GnuCash should be reading that change 
like all the other date-aware applications. It does not. Also, as I mentioned 
in my first post, I have tried changing my locale to a region that defaults to 
Monday as the first day of the week. GnuCash still insists on using Sunday as 
the first day of the week. I don't see why GnuCash is any more likely to obey a 
custom locale than it is to obey one of the default locales.

  Have you tried doing this on any system? Did it work? My Windows experience 
is extremely limited and my Unix experience (other than poking around under the 
hood of MacOS X) is more than thirty years out of date. I was really hoping to 
hear from some Mac users living in regions where the default first day of the 
week is Monday. There must be some. Do they simply ignore this problem or have 
they found a way to change what seems from my end to be a hard-coded default?

Best,
John

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 6:04 PM, Kenneth Marshall  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think that that setting is attached to the locale definition. You need to 
> make a custom locale with the first day of the week defined to be Monday. I 
> do not have a Mac so do not have any actual experience. On a Linux system you 
> can edit a file in /usr/share/i18n/locales and then recompile the locale with 
> something like locale-gen or localdef. Use 'man locale' on your system to see 
> what you should use. Once you do that and change your locale to the new one, 
> it should just work.
> 
> Regards,
> Ken

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Re: [GNC] Get online quote for Canada Fund

[Kaman Wu]

Hello Ove,

I try to change the code by myself.  I am using windows 10 right now.

I find the perl code
at: 
C:\Strawberry\cpan\build\Finance-Quote-1.49-0\lib\Finance\Quote\Cdnfundlibrary.pm

BUT after I made the change, it looks like the GNC still call the old
code.  Can I change that file directly?
Does GNC keep a copy of this file? (I cannot find the it)

Thanks a lot.



On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 1:46 PM Kaman Wu  wrote:

> thanks a lot.  I will try it.
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 1:40 PM Ove Grunnér  wrote:
>
>> I was looking at the code in cpan, and it looks like the module is using
>> this base url
>>
>> http://www.fundlibrary.com/funds/db/_fundcard.asp?t=2=
>>
>> and then adding the code after it, e.g.
>> http://www.fundlibrary.com/funds/db/_fundcard.asp?t=2=1743
>>
>> however when trying this url, I get Error 404, unknown web page,
>>
>> It could be that the module is not current and fails on everything.
>>
>> if you are comfortable with perl, you could try changing the url in the 
>> module.
>>
>> I tried also to retrieve the mutual fund from my ubuntu based gnucash, and 
>> it also fails.
>>
>> there are contact details for this module on this url: 
>> https://metacpan.org/author/ECOCODE
>>
>> the author of the code may be able to help more.
>>
>> br Ove.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 15:44, Kaman Wu  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Ove,
>>>
>>> Thanks for reply my question.  I did try "1743".  Still get the same
>>> error message.   I really need solve the problem, otherwise, I have to
>>> manually input the price for all funds I have.
>>>
>>>
>>> PS C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin> perl .\gnc-fq-dump -v fundlibrary
>>>   1743
>>> Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
>>> symbol: 1743 (deduced)   <=== required
>>>   date: ** missing **<=== recommended
>>>   currency: ** missing **<=== required
>>>   last:  <=\
>>>nav:  <=== one of these
>>>  price:  <=/
>>>   timezone:  <=== optional
>>>
>>> ** This stock quote cannot be used by GnuCash!
>>>
>>>
>>> All fields returned by Finance::Quote for stock 1743
>>>
>>> stock   field  value
>>> -   -  -
>>> 1743 errormsg: Fund name 1743 not found
>>> 1743 last: **missing**
>>> 1743  nav: **missing**
>>> 1743price: **missing**
>>> 1743  success: 0
>>>
>>> PS C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin> perl .\gnc-fq-dump -v
>>> canadamutual  1743
>>> Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
>>> symbol: 1743 (deduced)   <=== required
>>>   date: ** missing **<=== recommended
>>>   currency: ** missing **<=== required
>>>   last:  <=\
>>>nav:  <=== one of these
>>>  price:  <=/
>>>   timezone:  <=== optional
>>>
>>> ** This stock quote cannot be used by GnuCash!
>>>
>>>
>>> All fields returned by Finance::Quote for stock 1743
>>>
>>> stock   field  value
>>> -   -  -
>>> 1743 errormsg: Error determining fund code for 1743.
>>> 1743 last: **missing**
>>> 1743  nav: **missing**
>>> 1743price: **missing**
>>> 1743  success: 0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 6:56 AM Ove Grunnér  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Kaman,

 according to https://metacpan.org/pod/Finance::Quote::Cdnfundlibrary
 "This module uses an id that represents the mutual fund on an id used
 by www.fundlibrary.com. There is no easy way of fetching the id except
 to jump onto the fundlibrary website, look up the fund and view the url for
 clues to its id number."
 the url for TDB900 is:

 https://www.fundlibrary.com/MutualFunds/Detail/td-canadian-index-fund-e-series/1743
 so try 1743

 br Ove.

 On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 04:07, Kaman Wu  wrote:

> I did some search, and found some old posts which are not very helpful.
>
> I think I can use:
> https://metacpan.org/pod/Finance::Quote::Cdnfundlibrary
> Basing on this module, it use the data from
> http://www.fundlibrary.com/
>
> I do can search TDB900 on this website and find the correct fund.
>
> BUT when I setup it up in gnucash, I get quote failed.
>
> PS C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin> perl .\gnc-fq-dump -v
> fundlibrary
> TDB900
> Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
> symbol: TDB900 (deduced) <=== required
>   date: ** missing **<=== recommended
>   currency: ** missing **<=== required
>   last:  <=\
>nav:  <=== one of these
>  price:  <=/
>   timezone:  <=== optional
>
> ** This stock quote cannot be used by GnuCash!
>
>
> All fields returned by Finance::Quote for 

Re: [GNC] Problems moving vertical lines between columns on registers

[James Fuller]

David,
thanks very much.  after some cut and try I got what I Need.
I appreciate the help.
Regards,
James


On 8/12/2019 6:09 PM, David Carlson wrote:

James,

Keep in mind that in the register view the description column is a 
special case that essentially defaults to use all the space that is 
not explicitly given to other columns.


This means setting the other widths first, then dragging the right 
edge of the description column title box leftward and letting it snap 
back until there is no horizontal scrollbar at the bottom.


Of course, this can get awkward for users that run the program on 
computers with different display and font settings.  Since those 
settings are defined as user settings, different computers normally 
each keep their own settings, but if one accesses the program remotely 
via ssh, for example, it can still get very interesting.


David Carlson

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 6:15 PM James Fuller > wrote:



Hi Guys,

I'm having a problem figuring out how to move the vertical lines
defining columns on registers.   I seem to remember that you place a
mouse cursor on the vertical line, hold down the right mouse
button, and
move left or right to change the width of of the columns. When I do
that, the vertical line moves with my mouse. When I let go of the
right
button the line zips back.

I'm using 3.2 Gnucash on a Windows 7 HP desktop.  What am I doing
wrong?  BTW, I have read the Help Manual until I'm blue in the
face and
can't find it.

Thank you

James Fuller

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Re: [GNC] Scroll through tabs

[David Carlson]

Rick,

Do you keep the mouse pointer over the the tab area when scrolling?

David Carlson

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 7:17 PM Rick Mobley  wrote:

> Running ver 3.6 now but one of the prior versions allowed me to use my
> mouse
> scroll wheel to cycle through the open tabs. I can no longer do that, so I
> have reverted to putting the tabs on the left side instead of across the
> top
> to allow quick access to them. Otherwise, I had to hit the right arrow 7
> times to move from tab 1 to tab 8 which was very unproductive for me.
>
>
>
> Is there a workaround other than what I have already done?
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Problems moving vertical lines between columns on registers

[David Carlson]

James,

Keep in mind that in the register view the description column is a special
case that essentially defaults to use all the space that is not explicitly
given to other columns.

This means setting the other widths first, then dragging the right edge of
the description column title box leftward and letting it snap back until
there is no horizontal scrollbar at the bottom.

Of course, this can get awkward for users that run the program on computers
with different display and font settings.  Since those settings are defined
as user settings, different computers normally each keep their own
settings, but if one accesses the program remotely via ssh, for example, it
can still get very interesting.

David Carlson

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 6:15 PM James Fuller  wrote:

>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I'm having a problem figuring out how to move the vertical lines
> defining columns on registers.   I seem to remember that you place a
> mouse cursor on the vertical line, hold down the right mouse button, and
> move left or right to change the width of of the columns.  When I do
> that, the vertical line moves with my mouse. When I let go of the right
> button the line zips back.
>
> I'm using 3.2 Gnucash on a Windows 7 HP desktop.  What am I doing
> wrong?  BTW, I have read the Help Manual until I'm blue in the face and
> can't find it.
>
> Thank you
>
> James Fuller
>
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[GNC] Scroll through tabs

[Rick Mobley]

Running ver 3.6 now but one of the prior versions allowed me to use my mouse
scroll wheel to cycle through the open tabs. I can no longer do that, so I
have reverted to putting the tabs on the left side instead of across the top
to allow quick access to them. Otherwise, I had to hit the right arrow 7
times to move from tab 1 to tab 8 which was very unproductive for me.

 

Is there a workaround other than what I have already done?

 

Rick

 

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Re: [GNC] Default open tab

[Adrien Monteleone]

Double posted?

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 7:01 PM, Rick Mobley  wrote:
> 
> Is there a place to set a "default" tab to open up to? I'd like for it to
> open up to my cash account each time, but it seems to open to the last place
> when I closed off the program.
> 
> 
> 
> Rick

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Re: [GNC] Default tab on open

[Adrien Monteleone]

Any tab open when you exit should be re-loaded when you next open GnuCash.

So just have the Cash account register open when you close the app.

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Rick Mobley  wrote:
> 
> Is there a place to set a "default" tab to open up to? I'd like for it to
> open up to my cash account each time, but it seems to open to the last place
> when I closed off the program.
> 
> 
> 
> Rick

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[GNC] Default open tab

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Is there a place to set a "default" tab to open up to? I'd like for it to
open up to my cash account each time, but it seems to open to the last place
when I closed off the program.

 

Rick

 

 

 

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[GNC] Default tab on open

[Rick Mobley]

Is there a place to set a "default" tab to open up to? I'd like for it to
open up to my cash account each time, but it seems to open to the last place
when I closed off the program.

 

Rick

 

 

 

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[GNC] Problems moving vertical lines between columns on registers

[James Fuller]

Hi Guys,

I'm having a problem figuring out how to move the vertical lines 
defining columns on registers.   I seem to remember that you place a 
mouse cursor on the vertical line, hold down the right mouse button, and 
move left or right to change the width of of the columns.  When I do 
that, the vertical line moves with my mouse. When I let go of the right 
button the line zips back.


I'm using 3.2 Gnucash on a Windows 7 HP desktop.  What am I doing 
wrong?  BTW, I have read the Help Manual until I'm blue in the face and 
can't find it.


Thank you

James Fuller

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Re: [GNC] First Day of the Week

[Adrien Monteleone]

From that page it seems that they didn’t provide a means for setting first day 
of the week.

A cursory search of how to set first day of the week to Monday using Gnome 
(Ubuntu forums) explained to edit the /usr/share/i18n/locales file for your 
locale and either edit or add the line:

first_weekday 2

to the LC_TIME section.

I tried on a whim copying this file with the above edit from my Ubuntu vm to 
~/Library/Application Support/GnuCash/gkt-3.0/ in my Mac filesystem but to no 
avail. (maybe it needs a /locale subdirectory? does it even look here for such 
a file?)

I also tried setting the Mac’s calendar (and GnuCash’s date) to ISO-8601 which 
allegedly uses Monday=1, still no dice.

I’m not sure how GNOME users are getting their calendars to switch to Monday=1 
unless GNOME doesn’t use GtkCalendar for that feature.

Looks like this is a GTK bug unless someone knows how to setup a custom locale 
in MacOS for it.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> have a look at https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkCalendar.html
> and tell me, the right call.
> I didn't see it and fear, you should complain at the GTK team.
> 
> Regards
> Frank
> 


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Re: [GNC] First Day of the Week

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi John,

have a look at https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkCalendar.html
and tell me, the right call.
I didn't see it and fear, you should complain at the GTK team.

Regards
Frank

Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 23:10 Uhr schrieb John Morris :
>
> Hi Adrien,
>   Thank you for your interest. The first day of the week is, of course, a 
> personal preference. However, because it is set to Monday everywhere else in 
> my life, it would be more convenient if GnuCash were set similarly.
>
>   Yes, I am aware of System Preferences > Language & Region; that is where I 
> have set the first day of the week for the rest of my computer. Thank you for 
> pointing that out.
>
>   The main issue that makes life difficult with GnuCash using Sunday as the 
> first day of the week is in our business. We have a small editing business, 
> but we don't work conventional hours. Basically, we work whenever we can fit 
> it in. That means we might be working at 11p on a Sunday or 6a on a Tuesday. 
> However, we still find it convenient to break our time up into weeks. Reports 
> from our time-tracking software help us know if we are doing enough income 
> work to make our goals. Reports from our accounting software (GnuCash) help 
> us know if our income is matching expectations and helping us reach our 
> goals. However, it is just a little more difficult because the time tracking 
> software is set to use Monday as the first day of the week, but GnuCash 
> refuses to accept that setting.
>
>   A second place this problem makes trouble for me is entering transactions. 
> Sometimes I type dates and sometimes I select them from the drop-down menu. 
> That menu puts Sunday on the far left of the block instead of the far right 
> where I expect it. Thus, I sometimes click the wrong date because I forget 
> that GnuCash does this. Of course, this is just one example, but I think it 
> gives the flavor.
>
>   Naturally we could change our whole life around to use Sunday as the first 
> day of the week, but we don't want to do that. Computers should adjust to the 
> users' lifestyle, not the other way around. We can also just make do, 
> accepting that the accounting week starts on Sunday and the time-keeping week 
> starts on Monday. That is how we have functioned since we switched to GnuCash 
> about five years ago.
>
>   I understand that the developer pool is small. This is why I have not 
> bother reporting the many bugs I work around every day. When I first started 
> using GnuCash, I reported what I saw, but it quickly became clear that the 
> developers feel they have bigger fish to fry. Given that I have no time to 
> offer to this effort, I stopped wasting my time. I would love to help with 
> the development. I even have some of the skill required and could probably 
> get up to speed fairly quickly, but my to-do list is way too long for me to 
> take on any new projects. Frankly, if I were going to get back into 
> development, I would seriously consider starting from scratch rather than 
> trying to fix the mess that is GnuCash.
>
> Best,
> John
>
> > On Aug 12, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > System Preferences > Language & Region is where you can set first day of 
> > the week. (I’m on Mojave)
> >
> > But I see it has no effect on the calendar displayed in the Scheduled 
> > Transaction editor. (not sure where else this would matter)
> >
> > I’d have to ask (because I have Sunday as my first day and I don’t 
> > understand the utility of changing it), how does not being able to change 
> > it impact your use of GnuCash? What is more difficult by the day being set 
> > to Sunday? I really mean this as a curiosity. Is it merely a matter of 
> > you’ve always seen calendars start on Monday and it looks odd and sometimes 
> > hard to comprehend at a glance?
> >
> > What parts of the app other than the Scheduled Transaction editor is this 
> > an issue for?
> >
> > Please note, the developer pool is small, their time is not infinite, and 
> > they are all volunteers. (and I’d guess they all have day jobs) They have a 
> > roadmap for prioritizing their time. If something is an annoyance but the 
> > app is still usable, it is likely to be pushed to the back burner unless 
> > someone new decides to jump in and help address it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
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Re: [GNC] First Day of the Week

[Adrien Monteleone]

John,

Thanks for the insights.

How does first day of the week affect reports in GnuCash? The only report I can 
think of that might be an issue is the Expenses/Income vs. Day of the week, but 
each day is reported separately, though Sunday is listed first in the key, it 
is a pie chart. All other date selections I can find are based on month or 
longer, or use specific dates. (do some reports give weekly subtotals for 
example? I haven’t seen or used that yet)

I didn’t think about the date picker as I always enter my dates manually, but 
certainly, I can see how that could be annoying.

Certainly, the software should be able to match your life. You shouldn’t have 
to change to work around a bug.

And please report any issues you find. While previous reports may not have 
received attention (yet) that does not mean some other issue won’t. It might be 
that someone else with developer skills and time might jump in and fix one or 
two. One issue may shed light on others. A discussion may ensue on how to 
address the issue for when it is actually fixed. So reporting isn’t a waste of 
time even if they don’t get fixed right away. (or even for an extended period)

I know some calendar issues were looked at in the move to 3.x. Perhaps one of 
the devs familiar with this part of the code might take a look or chime in. 
There might be a good reason why this is still an issue.


Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 4:09 PM, John Morris  wrote:
> 
> Hi Adrien,
>  Thank you for your interest. The first day of the week is, of course, a 
> personal preference. However, because it is set to Monday everywhere else in 
> my life, it would be more convenient if GnuCash were set similarly.
> 
>  Yes, I am aware of System Preferences > Language & Region; that is where I 
> have set the first day of the week for the rest of my computer. Thank you for 
> pointing that out.
> 
>  The main issue that makes life difficult with GnuCash using Sunday as the 
> first day of the week is in our business. We have a small editing business, 
> but we don't work conventional hours. Basically, we work whenever we can fit 
> it in. That means we might be working at 11p on a Sunday or 6a on a Tuesday. 
> However, we still find it convenient to break our time up into weeks. Reports 
> from our time-tracking software help us know if we are doing enough income 
> work to make our goals. Reports from our accounting software (GnuCash) help 
> us know if our income is matching expectations and helping us reach our 
> goals. However, it is just a little more difficult because the time tracking 
> software is set to use Monday as the first day of the week, but GnuCash 
> refuses to accept that setting. 
> 
>  A second place this problem makes trouble for me is entering transactions. 
> Sometimes I type dates and sometimes I select them from the drop-down menu. 
> That menu puts Sunday on the far left of the block instead of the far right 
> where I expect it. Thus, I sometimes click the wrong date because I forget 
> that GnuCash does this. Of course, this is just one example, but I think it 
> gives the flavor.
> 
>  Naturally we could change our whole life around to use Sunday as the first 
> day of the week, but we don't want to do that. Computers should adjust to the 
> users' lifestyle, not the other way around. We can also just make do, 
> accepting that the accounting week starts on Sunday and the time-keeping week 
> starts on Monday. That is how we have functioned since we switched to GnuCash 
> about five years ago.
> 
>  I understand that the developer pool is small. This is why I have not bother 
> reporting the many bugs I work around every day. When I first started using 
> GnuCash, I reported what I saw, but it quickly became clear that the 
> developers feel they have bigger fish to fry. Given that I have no time to 
> offer to this effort, I stopped wasting my time. I would love to help with 
> the development. I even have some of the skill required and could probably 
> get up to speed fairly quickly, but my to-do list is way too long for me to 
> take on any new projects. Frankly, if I were going to get back into 
> development, I would seriously consider starting from scratch rather than 
> trying to fix the mess that is GnuCash.
> 
> Best,
> John

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Re: [GNC] First Day of the Week

[John Morris]

Hi Adrien,
  Thank you for your interest. The first day of the week is, of course, a 
personal preference. However, because it is set to Monday everywhere else in my 
life, it would be more convenient if GnuCash were set similarly.

  Yes, I am aware of System Preferences > Language & Region; that is where I 
have set the first day of the week for the rest of my computer. Thank you for 
pointing that out.

  The main issue that makes life difficult with GnuCash using Sunday as the 
first day of the week is in our business. We have a small editing business, but 
we don't work conventional hours. Basically, we work whenever we can fit it in. 
That means we might be working at 11p on a Sunday or 6a on a Tuesday. However, 
we still find it convenient to break our time up into weeks. Reports from our 
time-tracking software help us know if we are doing enough income work to make 
our goals. Reports from our accounting software (GnuCash) help us know if our 
income is matching expectations and helping us reach our goals. However, it is 
just a little more difficult because the time tracking software is set to use 
Monday as the first day of the week, but GnuCash refuses to accept that 
setting. 

  A second place this problem makes trouble for me is entering transactions. 
Sometimes I type dates and sometimes I select them from the drop-down menu. 
That menu puts Sunday on the far left of the block instead of the far right 
where I expect it. Thus, I sometimes click the wrong date because I forget that 
GnuCash does this. Of course, this is just one example, but I think it gives 
the flavor.

  Naturally we could change our whole life around to use Sunday as the first 
day of the week, but we don't want to do that. Computers should adjust to the 
users' lifestyle, not the other way around. We can also just make do, accepting 
that the accounting week starts on Sunday and the time-keeping week starts on 
Monday. That is how we have functioned since we switched to GnuCash about five 
years ago.

  I understand that the developer pool is small. This is why I have not bother 
reporting the many bugs I work around every day. When I first started using 
GnuCash, I reported what I saw, but it quickly became clear that the developers 
feel they have bigger fish to fry. Given that I have no time to offer to this 
effort, I stopped wasting my time. I would love to help with the development. I 
even have some of the skill required and could probably get up to speed fairly 
quickly, but my to-do list is way too long for me to take on any new projects. 
Frankly, if I were going to get back into development, I would seriously 
consider starting from scratch rather than trying to fix the mess that is 
GnuCash.

Best,
John

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> System Preferences > Language & Region is where you can set first day of the 
> week. (I’m on Mojave)
> 
> But I see it has no effect on the calendar displayed in the Scheduled 
> Transaction editor. (not sure where else this would matter)
> 
> I’d have to ask (because I have Sunday as my first day and I don’t understand 
> the utility of changing it), how does not being able to change it impact your 
> use of GnuCash? What is more difficult by the day being set to Sunday? I 
> really mean this as a curiosity. Is it merely a matter of you’ve always seen 
> calendars start on Monday and it looks odd and sometimes hard to comprehend 
> at a glance?
> 
> What parts of the app other than the Scheduled Transaction editor is this an 
> issue for?
> 
> Please note, the developer pool is small, their time is not infinite, and 
> they are all volunteers. (and I’d guess they all have day jobs) They have a 
> roadmap for prioritizing their time. If something is an annoyance but the app 
> is still usable, it is likely to be pushed to the back burner unless someone 
> new decides to jump in and help address it.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
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Re: [GNC] First Day of the Week

[Adrien Monteleone]

System Preferences > Language & Region is where you can set first day of the 
week. (I’m on Mojave)

But I see it has no effect on the calendar displayed in the Scheduled 
Transaction editor. (not sure where else this would matter)

I’d have to ask (because I have Sunday as my first day and I don’t understand 
the utility of changing it), how does not being able to change it impact your 
use of GnuCash? What is more difficult by the day being set to Sunday? I really 
mean this as a curiosity. Is it merely a matter of you’ve always seen calendars 
start on Monday and it looks odd and sometimes hard to comprehend at a glance?

What parts of the app other than the Scheduled Transaction editor is this an 
issue for?

Please note, the developer pool is small, their time is not infinite, and they 
are all volunteers. (and I’d guess they all have day jobs) They have a roadmap 
for prioritizing their time. If something is an annoyance but the app is still 
usable, it is likely to be pushed to the back burner unless someone new decides 
to jump in and help address it.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 2:40 PM, John Morris  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  I've been using GnuCash for several years now, tolerating the bugs and 
> idiosyncrasies on the hope that it would improve with time. That hope has 
> been borne out to some degree, but I'm still waiting on many issues. It's 
> been a while since I bothered to install a new version, so I am again hopeful 
> when I finally start using 3.6.
> 
>  However, I have begun testing and found that at least one of my most-desired 
> fixes is not in place. Years ago, I wrote about my inability to make GnuCash 
> start the week on Monday instead of Sunday. Other people reported not 
> problems in this regard, but we were not able to find any setting that would 
> make it work on my computer (macOS 10.10 at the time, soon to be 10.14). My 
> system region is set to United States and the system's first day of the week 
> is set to Monday. However, when I open GnuCash (opening an existing .gnucash 
> file or creating a new file), I always get Sunday as the first day of the 
> week.
> 
>  Since I am testing (on macOS 10.11 for now), I tried opening an existing 
> file and creating a new file with the system region set to France (which 
> automatically gives Monday as the first day of the week). I even tried 
> choosing French Franc as the currency when setting up a new set of books. No 
> luck. I still get Sunday as the first day of the week. How do I get GnuCash 
> to use Monday as the first day of the week?
> 
> 
>  For what it's worth, I was also disappointed to see that GnuCash 3.6 still 
> suffers from the focus problems I have been suffering through in 2.6. I will 
> be very happy when the backend is fully rebuilt and these bugs can get the 
> attention they deserve.
> 
> Best,
> John

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Re: [GNC] Plot Size on Piechart reports

[Adrien Monteleone]

I could understand why a chart with more slices might default to a larger size, 
but it appears the bottom two charts both have 3 slices, yet are different 
sizes.

However, since they are set to all be the same size, they should all be the 
same size.

What happens if you use the percentage option instead of pixels?

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:43 AM, David T. via gnucash-user 
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[GNC] First Day of the Week

[John Morris]

Hi All,
  I've been using GnuCash for several years now, tolerating the bugs and 
idiosyncrasies on the hope that it would improve with time. That hope has been 
borne out to some degree, but I'm still waiting on many issues. It's been a 
while since I bothered to install a new version, so I am again hopeful when I 
finally start using 3.6.

  However, I have begun testing and found that at least one of my most-desired 
fixes is not in place. Years ago, I wrote about my inability to make GnuCash 
start the week on Monday instead of Sunday. Other people reported not problems 
in this regard, but we were not able to find any setting that would make it 
work on my computer (macOS 10.10 at the time, soon to be 10.14). My system 
region is set to United States and the system's first day of the week is set to 
Monday. However, when I open GnuCash (opening an existing .gnucash file or 
creating a new file), I always get Sunday as the first day of the week.

  Since I am testing (on macOS 10.11 for now), I tried opening an existing file 
and creating a new file with the system region set to France (which 
automatically gives Monday as the first day of the week). I even tried choosing 
French Franc as the currency when setting up a new set of books. No luck. I 
still get Sunday as the first day of the week. How do I get GnuCash to use 
Monday as the first day of the week?


  For what it's worth, I was also disappointed to see that GnuCash 3.6 still 
suffers from the focus problems I have been suffering through in 2.6. I will be 
very happy when the backend is fully rebuilt and these bugs can get the 
attention they deserve.

Best,
John

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Re: [GNC] journal entries

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 8/12/2019 12:45 PM, Clint Chaplin wrote:

This is also similar to NetSuite, which is an on-line double entry
bookkeeping service, and where "journal entries" are a special case
transaction, even though by definition everything is really a journal entry.


It is definitely a terminology confusion.

In the old days, especially with "cash book" accounting*, a "journal 
entry" referred to a transaction that was not affecting any of the cash 
accounts. So mainly corrections and adjustments (example: recording 
depreciation).


It has no real meaning in a "virtual journal" system like gnucash.

Michael D Novack

* A shortcut where there was a special part of the ledger called the 
"cash book" which had the account for cash and a half dozen or so of the 
most affected other accounts. Any transactions that could skipped the 
"enter into the journal first" step and were entered directly in the 
cash book << usually 90+% of transactions could be >> Any transactions 
that affected OTHER accounts were entered the usual way, in the journal 
and then posted to the ledger.


When I did this, I usually reserved a pair of columns in the cash book 
for the journal. For example, using 12 column paper, I could have the 
journal, cash, and the four "most popular" other ledger accounts. Or 
possibly more if only keeping one side here << the "real" ledger had all 
the accounts, even those in the cashbook. At the bottom of each cashbook 
page the totals were posted to the "real account" >>


The reason for using a cashbook was to reduce posting. Transcription 
errors during posting were by far the majority of all errors.


Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] journal entries

[Clint Chaplin]

This is also similar to NetSuite, which is an on-line double entry
bookkeeping service, and where "journal entries" are a special case
transaction, even though by definition everything is really a journal entry.

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:02 AM Dale Alspach  wrote:

> I think Frank is on the right track. The original poster is coming from
> Quicken which I have never used. I think it is similar to Quickbooks
> which I have used a little. Journal entries are used for corrections,
> some transfers between accounts, etc., in Quickbooks.
>
> Gnucash does not have a special notion of journal entry. The General
> Journal is just a view of all transactions from all accounts. This may
> be what is confusing the original poster.
>
> Dale
>
> On 8/12/19 10:38 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:
> > Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 17:21 Uhr schrieb David T. via gnucash-user
> > :
> >>
> >> I'm not sure how this is a challenge, especially since both John and
> >> David C. pointed you in the right direction in the docs. Perhaps you are
> >> associating the term "Journal entry" with something special?
> > :
> > In the times of ink and paper, you had to enter (parts of) a
> > transaction 3 times:
> > Journal, Account A, Account B.
> >
> > On computers it is different, e.g.
> > you enter all details in account A and the relevant parts appear also
> > in account B and Tools->General Journal.
> >
> > HTH
> > Frank
> >
> >> On 8/12/2019 8:20 PM, Harold via gnucash-user wrote:
> >>
> >>>   I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal
> entries in GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to
> enter a journal entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my
> personal bookkeeping. I have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the
> past but don't understand how to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the
> right direction?Thanks,Harold
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Re: [GNC] journal entries

[Dale Alspach]

I think Frank is on the right track. The original poster is coming from
Quicken which I have never used. I think it is similar to Quickbooks
which I have used a little. Journal entries are used for corrections,
some transfers between accounts, etc., in Quickbooks.

Gnucash does not have a special notion of journal entry. The General
Journal is just a view of all transactions from all accounts. This may
be what is confusing the original poster.

Dale

On 8/12/19 10:38 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:
> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 17:21 Uhr schrieb David T. via gnucash-user
> :
>>
>> I'm not sure how this is a challenge, especially since both John and
>> David C. pointed you in the right direction in the docs. Perhaps you are
>> associating the term "Journal entry" with something special?
> :
> In the times of ink and paper, you had to enter (parts of) a
> transaction 3 times:
> Journal, Account A, Account B.
> 
> On computers it is different, e.g.
> you enter all details in account A and the relevant parts appear also
> in account B and Tools->General Journal.
> 
> HTH
> Frank
> 
>> On 8/12/2019 8:20 PM, Harold via gnucash-user wrote:
>>
>>>   I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal entries 
>>> in GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to enter a 
>>> journal entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my personal 
>>> bookkeeping. I have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the past but 
>>> don't understand how to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the right 
>>> direction?Thanks,Harold
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Re: [GNC] Plot Size on Piechart reports

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Dang. New mail client ate my screen shot! Next try...

On 8/12/2019 9:07 PM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:

Hello,

The attached screen shot shows three iterations of a standard 
Piechart. Each has its own set of accounts and slices, but each is set 
to plot its chart to the same 485 by 240 dimensions--and yet, each one 
is clearly a different size! While the first is an Expense piechart, I 
believe that they all use the same base Scheme code. And that doesn't 
explain why the two different Income Charts (Primary and Cap Gains) 
are sized differently.


Does anyone know why this is happening, and what might be done to get 
three identically-sized pie charts?


David

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Re: [GNC] journal entries

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 17:21 Uhr schrieb David T. via gnucash-user
:
>
> I'm not sure how this is a challenge, especially since both John and
> David C. pointed you in the right direction in the docs. Perhaps you are
> associating the term "Journal entry" with something special?
:
In the times of ink and paper, you had to enter (parts of) a
transaction 3 times:
Journal, Account A, Account B.

On computers it is different, e.g.
you enter all details in account A and the relevant parts appear also
in account B and Tools->General Journal.

HTH
Frank

> On 8/12/2019 8:20 PM, Harold via gnucash-user wrote:
>
> >   I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal entries 
> > in GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to enter a 
> > journal entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my personal 
> > bookkeeping. I have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the past but 
> > don't understand how to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the right 
> > direction?Thanks,Harold
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[GNC] Plot Size on Piechart reports

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Hello,

The attached screen shot shows three iterations of a standard Piechart. 
Each has its own set of accounts and slices, but each is set to plot its 
chart to the same 485 by 240 dimensions--and yet, each one is clearly a 
different size! While the first is an Expense piechart, I believe that 
they all use the same base Scheme code. And that doesn't explain why the 
two different Income Charts (Primary and Cap Gains) are sized differently.


Does anyone know why this is happening, and what might be done to get 
three identically-sized pie charts?


David

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Re: [GNC] journal entries

[David T. via gnucash-user]

I'm not sure how this is a challenge, especially since both John and 
David C. pointed you in the right direction in the docs. Perhaps you are 
associating the term "Journal entry" with something special?


To begin, set your View preference to "Basic" and on the 
Preferences:Accounts tab, uncheck "Use formal accounting labels."


In the Chart of Accounts, double-click Assets:Cash

In the Cash account register:

 * Type the date of the transaction, for example, today is August 12,
   2019, so I would enter 8/12/19 because I use US style dates. Your
   date preferences might have this as 12-08-2019, or even 2019-08-12!
 * After entering the date, press the Tab key twice, which will move
   the cursor two columns to the right, to the Description field
 * Type a Description. For example, if you purchased Ibuprofen(r) from
   CVS, you might enter a description like "CVS"
 * Press the Tab key one time, and move the cursor to the Transfer column
 * In the Transfer column, select Expenses:Drugs
 * Press Tab *two more times* to the Decrease column
 * Enter the amount for the drugs.
 * Press the Enter Key

What part of this wasn't clear in the documentation?

David


On 8/12/2019 8:20 PM, Harold via gnucash-user wrote:


  I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal entries in 
GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to enter a journal 
entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my personal bookkeeping. I 
have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the past but don't understand how 
to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the right direction?Thanks,Harold

 On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:15:41 PM CDT, John Ralls 
 wrote:
  
  


On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Harold via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

I want to start tracking the cash payments that I make for drugs. I have been 
searching about making a journal entry in Gnucash but haven't found anything 
yet. Where do I find how to enter a journal entry in Gnucash using Linux?
___

Have you studied the Tutorial and Concepts Guide [1]?

Regards,
John Ralls

[1] http://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3???=C=guide or Help>Tutorial 
and Concepts Guide from inside the program.
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Re: [GNC] journal entries

[Stephen C. Camidge]

Enter the date and description. On the first time Credit Cash for the amount. 
On the second line, Debit Drugs for the amount.

That should do it.


On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Harold via gnucash-user wrote:
> I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal entries in 
> GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to enter a journal 
> entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my personal bookkeeping. I 
> have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the past but don't understand 
> how to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the right direction?Thanks,Harold
> 
>  On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:15:41 PM CDT, John Ralls  
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Harold via gnucash-user 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I want to start tracking the cash payments that I make for drugs. I have 
> > been searching about making a journal entry in Gnucash but haven't found 
> > anything yet. Where do I find how to enter a journal entry in Gnucash using 
> > Linux?
> > ___
> 
> Have you studied the Tutorial and Concepts Guide [1]?
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> [1] http://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3⟨=C=guide or Help>Tutorial 
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Re: [GNC] journal entries

[Harold via gnucash-user]

 I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal entries in 
GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to enter a journal 
entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my personal bookkeeping. I 
have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the past but don't understand how 
to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the right direction?Thanks,Harold

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> On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Harold via gnucash-user 
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> 
> I want to start tracking the cash payments that I make for drugs. I have been 
> searching about making a journal entry in Gnucash but haven't found anything 
> yet. Where do I find how to enter a journal entry in Gnucash using Linux?
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Have you studied the Tutorial and Concepts Guide [1]?

Regards,
John Ralls

[1] http://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3⟨=C=guide or Help>Tutorial 
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Re: [GNC] Price in Register Account report not decimal

[John Ralls]

I don't see any open bugs about this so please file one.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Aug 12, 2019, at 1:00 AM, Joe Normandeau  
> wrote:
> 
> Interestingly I opened the html report in Libreoffice Calc directly and it 
> had the decimal not the fraction.  Didn't even need to put the "=" in front 
> of it.  So thanks John for your suggestion. I'll use it as a work around. Bit 
> of formatting to do but minor issue.
> 
> Should this be reported as a bug or just leave it as is.?
> 
> JoeCanuck
> 
> On 12/08/2019 1:56 am, John Ralls wrote:
>> That preference is for the GUI. I don't think that it has any affect on 
>> reports.
>> 
>> I can reproduce this, where a price for 5712 shares has a value of 85,505.78 
>> and is represented as 14.9695 in the register but as 14 + 276889/285600 on 
>> the Account Report. I don't think that there's an immediate solution for 
>> that other than to paste the report into a spreadsheet and stick an '=' in 
>> front of the price to make it a formula.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2019, at 3:24 AM, Joe Normandeau 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Colin
>>> 
>>> Yep
>>> 
>>> Build ID: 3.6 + (2019-06-29)
>>> 
>>> JoeCanuck
>>> 
>>> On 11/08/2019 5:36 pm, Colin Law wrote:
 On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 07:00, Joe Normandeau  
 wrote:
> Apologies Adrien
> 
> I should have stated that flag is already turned on and I've cycled it
> number of times and it makes no difference to the Register Account Report.
 Have you tried that again since you upgraded to 3.6?
 Also are you sure it is definitely running 3.6?  Check in Help > About.
 
 Colin
 
> JoeCanuck
> 
> 
> On 10/08/2019 11:58 pm, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> Preferences > General > Numbers > Force prices to display as numbers
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2019, at 4:09 AM, Joe Normandeau  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/08/2019 5:37 pm, Colin Law wrote:
 On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 06:19, Joe Normandeau  
 wrote:
> I'm just new to this mail list so if I get something wrong be gentle.
> 
> I've just upgraded to GnuCash 3.3 from 2.6.13 and I can't get the 
> price
> in the register account report to be decimal. It always comes out as 2
> +  a fraction ie. 2 + 6227/6779. I must be missing a configuration
> setting but I can't seem to get the right one. Can someone assist 
> please?
 I think that may have been a bug in 3.3.  Why are you not using the
 latest available for Windows, which is 3.6 I think?
 https://gnucash.org/download.phtml
 
 Colin
>>> Thanks for your comments Collin.
>>> 
>>> I've loaded 3.6 and the same thing happens.  Don't know where to go 
>>> from here as I need these reports for my auditor.
>>> 
>>> JoeCanuck
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Re: [GNC] Transaction Report Sign Reverses

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Well, it seems odd to me that "Double" display (as Adrien noted)(thank 
you, Adrien!) is able to display the figures as the user prefers. It is 
also odd to me that the report knows to switch the values of the 
individual transactions, but is unable to remember that fact when it 
comes to the totals. That right there is the problem.


As for the FAQ, it seems to me that there is a mistake in the example 
there: the GnuCash option is to change signs for Income *and* Expenses. 
But the example provided reverses Income but not Expenses. Were it to 
reverse both sets of accounts as the preference indicates, then the math 
should work out correctly ($100+10-20=$90). Or am I missing something here?


Why is it not possible to perform the calculation for totals and then 
apply a display modifier so that the user sees numbers as they prefer?


The current solution is a poor one.

On 8/12/2019 11:12 AM, Christopher Lam wrote:
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Why_does_the_Transaction_Report_.27Sign_Reversal.27_setting_not_work_on_subtotals 



This issue could be fixed if the scenario addressed in this FAQ can be 
resolved. I don't really know how to handle that particular case.


On Mon., 12 Aug. 2019, 13:02 David T. via gnucash-user, 
mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:


Hello,

I am trying to create a YTD Capital Gains report, and am
encountering a
problem with how the Transaction Report implements the Sign Reverses
setting.

I recall some time back a discussion about the fact that the Sign
Reverses setting reverses signs in these reports in a confusing way.
There was some discussion about reversing the individual transactions
but not the totals. Although I do not recall the specifics of the
discussion, I am encountering the same situation now, where the
transactions themselves respect the user setting, but the totals
do not.
To say this is confusing is an understatement.

It seems to me that other financial applications must have
encountered
the problem of displaying income to users as a positive value (since
that is how most of us view income!) while still finding a way to
display the correct accounting information.

To display my YTD report of Capital Gains, I ran a Transaction Report
and selected the Income:Realized Gains accounts for the current year.
The result shows losses as positive numbers, and gains as negative. I
don't know about you, but my expectation is reversed from this. If I
change the Sign Reverses setting to Income and Expense, then the
transactions switch, but the totals do not. This result was the
gist of
the discussion in an earlier thread. Bleah!

Now, I know that I can copy the data, paste it into another
program and
change all the settings to my heart's content, but I am looking for a
way to run a report in GnuCash that directly and unambiguously
shows me
whether I have gained money (a positive) or lost it (a negative) over
the current year. Does anyone have suggestions?

FWIW, I attempted to turn this report around and have a report that
lists transactions in the asset accounts, filtered by the
Income:Realized Gains accounts, but that seems to report only the
Asset
account currency--in this case, the mutual fund or stock shares
involved
on the Gain/Loss transaction. Unfortunately, that's not the actual
Gain/Loss value...

It would be nice if the sign reverses setting could be fixed. Barring
that, does anyone have a workaround report setup that can give me a
sensible YTD Capital Gains total as described?

David T.

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Re: [GNC] Price in Register Account report not decimal

[Joe Normandeau]

Interestingly I opened the html report in Libreoffice Calc directly and 
it had the decimal not the fraction.  Didn't even need to put the "=" in 
front of it.  So thanks John for your suggestion. I'll use it as a work 
around. Bit of formatting to do but minor issue.


Should this be reported as a bug or just leave it as is.?

JoeCanuck

On 12/08/2019 1:56 am, John Ralls wrote:

That preference is for the GUI. I don't think that it has any affect on reports.

I can reproduce this, where a price for 5712 shares has a value of 85,505.78 
and is represented as 14.9695 in the register but as 14 + 276889/285600 on the 
Account Report. I don't think that there's an immediate solution for that other 
than to paste the report into a spreadsheet and stick an '=' in front of the 
price to make it a formula.

Regards,
John Ralls



On Aug 11, 2019, at 3:24 AM, Joe Normandeau  
wrote:

Colin

Yep

Build ID: 3.6 + (2019-06-29)

JoeCanuck

On 11/08/2019 5:36 pm, Colin Law wrote:

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 07:00, Joe Normandeau  wrote:

Apologies Adrien

I should have stated that flag is already turned on and I've cycled it
number of times and it makes no difference to the Register Account Report.

Have you tried that again since you upgraded to 3.6?
Also are you sure it is definitely running 3.6?  Check in Help > About.

Colin


JoeCanuck


On 10/08/2019 11:58 pm, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

Preferences > General > Numbers > Force prices to display as numbers

Regards,
Adrien


On Aug 10, 2019, at 4:09 AM, Joe Normandeau  wrote:


On 10/08/2019 5:37 pm, Colin Law wrote:

On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 06:19, Joe Normandeau  wrote:

I'm just new to this mail list so if I get something wrong be gentle.

I've just upgraded to GnuCash 3.3 from 2.6.13 and I can't get the price
in the register account report to be decimal. It always comes out as 2
+  a fraction ie. 2 + 6227/6779. I must be missing a configuration
setting but I can't seem to get the right one. Can someone assist please?

I think that may have been a bug in 3.3.  Why are you not using the
latest available for Windows, which is 3.6 I think?
https://gnucash.org/download.phtml

Colin

Thanks for your comments Collin.

I've loaded 3.6 and the same thing happens.  Don't know where to go from here 
as I need these reports for my auditor.

JoeCanuck

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