Re: [GNC] Adding ASSETS & LIABILITIES to sub accounts

[Paras Desai]

Hello David,

Oh yes, my mistake 﫢
thanks for correcting !

Best regards

Paras


01-Jun-2024 11:53:59 am sunfis...@yahoo.com<mailto:sunfis...@yahoo.com>:

Thanks for the insights. For the record, the app you're intending to reference 
is "skrooge" not "skoorage".

David T.
On Jun 1, 2024, at 8:20 AM, Paras Desai 
mailto:desaipa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

On 31-05-2024 20:46, 
gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org<mailto:gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org> wrote:
 Re: [GNC] Adding ASSETS & LIABILITIES to sub accounts


My two cent on the topic 

Before I zeroed in to GNU Cash for my personal finance accounting, I
evaluated many open source softwares like Money manager Ex, Skoorage,
Kmymoney and likes and eventually I decided to settle in GNC for
multiple reasons.

However, I remember one feature (either in skoorage or Kmymoney), which
has a feature of grouping Chart of Accounts (COA) Institution wise.

While posting the transaction, one can select the Institution and
transaction flows in that institution. While generating report, one can
generate report for all Institutions or for an individual institution.

Now, this “Institution” can be an either a family member, or a company
or a company business division.

This feature is very relevant, if one wishes to monitor family finance
along with individual finance, or separate business line finance.

So configuration can be like Family (All Institutions)-->
Institution1(family Member 1) + Institution2(Family member2) and so on.

GNC manages accounts as an individual file. So, to achieve above, if a
report can be developed to combine multiple files (Accounts) to generate
a report !

Of course, this is a suggestion of a layman, without giving cognizance
to the technicality involved and basic software structure of the GNC and
limitations.

I just thought of sharing this idea, when I came across the discussion
on the topic.

With my best regards


Paras





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Re: [GNC] Adding ASSETS & LIABILITIES to sub accounts

[Paras Desai]

On 31-05-2024 20:46, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org wrote:

Re: [GNC] Adding ASSETS & LIABILITIES to sub accounts



My two cent on the topic 

Before I zeroed in to GNU Cash for my personal finance accounting, I 
evaluated many open source softwares like Money manager Ex, Skoorage, 
Kmymoney and likes and eventually I decided to settle in GNC for 
multiple reasons.


However, I remember one feature (either in skoorage or Kmymoney), which 
has a feature of grouping Chart of Accounts (COA) Institution wise.


While posting the transaction, one can select the Institution and 
transaction flows in that institution. While generating report, one can 
generate report for all Institutions or for an individual institution.


Now, this “Institution” can be an either a family member, or a company 
or a company business division.


This feature is very relevant, if one wishes to monitor family finance 
along with individual finance, or separate business line finance.


So configuration can be like Family (All Institutions)--> 
Institution1(family Member 1) + Institution2(Family member2) and so on.


GNC manages accounts as an individual file. So, to achieve above, if a 
report can be developed to combine multiple files (Accounts) to generate 
a report !


Of course, this is a suggestion of a layman, without giving cognizance 
to the technicality involved and basic software structure of the GNC and 
limitations.


I just thought of sharing this idea, when I came across the discussion 
on the topic.


With my best regards


Paras



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Re: [GNC] Posting of Dividend through Stock Assist

[Paras Desai]

Oh is it?

That's is nice. I will do that.

Thanks John for your help

Paras

With regards
Paras

From: John Ralls 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:27:30 AM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: GnuCash User List 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Posting of Dividend through Stock Assist

Paras,

Just include a blank split (no entries in shares, price, buy, or sell) to the 
mutual fund account and the APR will pick it up.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Jan 16, 2024, at 9:24 AM, Paras Desai  wrote:
>
> Thanks John for your prompt feedback.
>
> Yes, I am posting it manually. Only down side is that i can not assign this 
> income to that specific Mutual fund account and hence it does not reflects in 
> Advance Portfolio Report, I guess.
>
> Of course, this is not the big deal.
>
> With my regards
>
> Paras.
>
> With regards
> Paras
> From: john 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 10:35:30 PM
> To: Paras Desai 
> Cc: GnuCash User List 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Posting of Dividend through Stock Assist
>
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 2024, at 05:41, Paras Desai  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Greetings!
> >
> > I was trying to post the Dividend income from a Mutual Fund through Stock 
> > Assist. But I encountered an issue. I am narrating my issue as below.
> >
> > When I receive the dividend, 10 % of TCS (Tax Collected at Source) is 
> > deducted and deposited to the Tax authority on my behalf and the remaining 
> > amount is paid to me. Such Tax deducted and deposited to Tax authority is 
> > My Tax credit and in my books of account it should reflect as Assets (Tax 
> > Credit)
> >
> > So my posting should look like this
> >
> > Dividend : Rs 1000 Cr (Income Account : Income from Dividend)
> >
> > Cash : Rs 900 Dr (Asset Account : My Bank)
> >
> > Tax deducted : Rs100 Dr (Asset Account : Tax Credit)
> >
> > There is no expense involved in the transaction.
> >
> > Now, when I try to post this transaction through Stock Assist, It offers me 
> > two options
> >
> > 1. Either I show the difference between the Dividend and Cash (which is Tax 
> > deducted) as expense, or I capitalize. There is no option to post the 
> > difference as tax credit in Assets account.
> >
> > AS a result, I need to post the transaction, with manual split, but in that 
> > case, I'm afraid I can not show return in form of dividend income for the 
> > Mutual Fund Account in portfolio report.
> >
> > Has anyone come across such a typical situation ?
>
> That's not a scenario that's coded into the stock assistant so you'll have to 
> enter it manually. Since dividend payments are presumably periodic it sounds 
> like a good candidate for a scheduled transaction.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>

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Re: [GNC] Posting of Dividend through Stock Assist

[Paras Desai]

Thanks John for your prompt feedback.

Yes, I am posting it manually. Only down side is that i can not assign this 
income to that specific Mutual fund account and hence it does not reflects in 
Advance Portfolio Report, I guess.

Of course, this is not the big deal.

With my regards

Paras.

With regards
Paras

From: john 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 10:35:30 PM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: GnuCash User List 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Posting of Dividend through Stock Assist



> On Jan 16, 2024, at 05:41, Paras Desai  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Greetings!
>
> I was trying to post the Dividend income from a Mutual Fund through Stock 
> Assist. But I encountered an issue. I am narrating my issue as below.
>
> When I receive the dividend, 10 % of TCS (Tax Collected at Source) is 
> deducted and deposited to the Tax authority on my behalf and the remaining 
> amount is paid to me. Such Tax deducted and deposited to Tax authority is My 
> Tax credit and in my books of account it should reflect as Assets (Tax Credit)
>
> So my posting should look like this
>
> Dividend : Rs 1000 Cr (Income Account : Income from Dividend)
>
> Cash : Rs 900 Dr (Asset Account : My Bank)
>
> Tax deducted : Rs100 Dr (Asset Account : Tax Credit)
>
> There is no expense involved in the transaction.
>
> Now, when I try to post this transaction through Stock Assist, It offers me 
> two options
>
> 1. Either I show the difference between the Dividend and Cash (which is Tax 
> deducted) as expense, or I capitalize. There is no option to post the 
> difference as tax credit in Assets account.
>
> AS a result, I need to post the transaction, with manual split, but in that 
> case, I'm afraid I can not show return in form of dividend income for the 
> Mutual Fund Account in portfolio report.
>
> Has anyone come across such a typical situation ?

That's not a scenario that's coded into the stock assistant so you'll have to 
enter it manually. Since dividend payments are presumably periodic it sounds 
like a good candidate for a scheduled transaction.

Regards,
John Ralls

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[GNC] Posting of Dividend through Stock Assist

[Paras Desai]

Hello,

Greetings!

I was trying to post the Dividend income from a Mutual Fund through 
Stock Assist. But I encountered an issue. I am narrating my issue as below.


When I receive the dividend, 10 % of TCS (Tax Collected at Source) is 
deducted and deposited to the Tax authority on my behalf and the 
remaining amount is paid to me. Such Tax deducted and deposited to Tax 
authority is My Tax credit and in my books of account it should reflect 
as Assets (Tax Credit)


So my posting should look like this

Dividend : Rs 1000 Cr (Income Account : Income from Dividend)

Cash : Rs 900 Dr (Asset Account : My Bank)

Tax deducted : Rs100 Dr (Asset Account : Tax Credit)

There is no expense involved in the transaction.

Now, when I try to post this transaction through Stock Assist, It offers 
me two options


1. Either I show the difference between the Dividend and Cash (which is 
Tax deducted) as expense, or I capitalize. There is no option to post 
the difference as tax credit in Assets account.


AS a result, I need to post the transaction, with manual split, but in 
that case, I'm afraid I can not show return in form of dividend income 
for the Mutual Fund Account in portfolio report.


Has anyone come across such a typical situation ?

Thanks

Paras

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Re: [GNC] posting of Switching of Mutual Fund

[Paras Desai]

Hello Geoff,


Firstly, I must salute you for your very methodical and illustrative 
explanation. It is really heartening to see the kind of special efforts 
you put to first create the accounts, posting illustrative transactions 
yourself, taking screenshots and arranging them beautifully, so that one 
can understand easily. My profound and heartfelt thanks to you.



I adopted your second approach, as I need to report the taxable STCG. 
However, I took little different approach by splitting the transaction 
manually following the examples in your screenshot, and every thing fell 
in place, closing balance of both the Mutual Funds, their current 
valuation, STCG in Income head, realized gain in Advance Portfolio 
report. I need little practice before I scrub my portfolio 
automatically, as it has many entries, and I was bit hesitant,  so I did 
it manually but will certainly learn the same.



Once again thanks a ton and wish you a very happy new years ahead


My best regards to you Geoff.


Paras



*From: *Geoff [mailto:cleanoutmys...@gmail.com]
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 09, 2024 05:32 AM +5.5
*To: *Paras Desai; GnuCash User List
*Subject: *[GNC] posting of Switching of Mutual Fund

Hi Paras

This is very easy to do in GnuCash, and it will even calculate the 
prices and capital gains (or losses) for you.


1. Use the Security Editor to create the Securities for both funds.
2. Create the Accounts for the funds and link them to the Securities.
3. Enter the Buy on Liquid - note how GNC calculates the Price.
4. Enter the Sell on Liquid, with Equity as the second account.

See attached "gnc_paras01.jpg" and note:
A. Price Database is automatically updated
B. Gain does not appear on any of your Accounts
C. Balance Sheet shows your Capital Gain as "Unrealised"

And that is all done and dusted...

...unless you need to "realise" your capital gains(losses) as 
Income(Expenses) as tax time.  If so, please read on.



GnuCash has a sensational feature called Lots that is designed to track 
and realise your capital gains & losses, but it can be a bit daunting 
for new users.


1. Open the Account for Liquid Fund
2. Actions -> View Lots
3. In the Lots window, click on "Scrub Account"

See attached "gnc_paras02.jpg" and note:
A. New Capital Gain/Loss transaction in Liquid Fund
B. Gain now shows in your Accounts***
C. Balance Sheet shows your Gain as "Retained Earnings"

*** By default, the GnuCash Lot Editor puts all Gains & Losses in an 
account called "Orphaned Gains" - you need to edit the Gain transaction 
and assign it to the appropriate Account - in this example, "STCG".



Hope this helps.

Regards

Geoff
=


On 9/01/2024 1:19 am, Paras Desai wrote:

Hello Sirs,

I have an investment in a liquid Mutual fund and I every week 
systematically transfer some amount to an Equity Fund (which is STP)


While doing so, there is an effect of Capital gain or Loss and the 
money does not come to any account, but the fund gets transferred to 
another fund automatically


The Transaction is like below

A. Liquid Fund : SWITCH OUT  (PRACTICALLY SALE)

  Units 773.14, Purchase Cost : 9696.630, Sales realization is : 
1, Short term Capital Gain is 303.370


B. Equity Fund: SWITCH IN (PURCHASE)

 Units : 75.684, Value: 10,000

Here, Money does not come to my bank or security account

Normal Posting could be

Cr Liquid Fund : 9696.630

Cr Short Term Capital Gain : 303.370

Dr Equity Fund, 1

I am just wondering, how this transaction can be effected in GNUCASH. 
I tried to search for wiki and some old communication on this subject 
but could not get the clear idea. Hence, thought of seeking help here.


Will very much appreciate any help

With my best regards


Paras

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Re: [GNC] posting of Switching of Mutual Fund

[Paras Desai]

Hello Michael,

Thanks for your time to reply my queries

However, I think I have confused you with my question or term used in it.

The term  of "Equity Fund" was meant to signify the name of  Mutual Fund that 
invest in all stock (Equity of the companies, that is the term used here in 
India for such types of fund as in like Debt Fund, Liquid Fund, Multi Assets 
Fund etc)

I did not mean to Debit Equity as it is a standard of the  accounting parlance.

Thanks

With regards
Paras

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[GNC] posting of Switching of Mutual Fund

[Paras Desai]

Hello Sirs,

I have an investment in a liquid Mutual fund and I every week 
systematically transfer some amount to an Equity Fund (which is STP)


While doing so, there is an effect of Capital gain or Loss and the money 
does not come to any account, but the fund gets transferred to another 
fund automatically


The Transaction is like below

A. Liquid Fund : SWITCH OUT  (PRACTICALLY SALE)

 Units 773.14, Purchase Cost : 9696.630, Sales realization is : 
1, Short term Capital Gain is 303.370


B. Equity Fund: SWITCH IN (PURCHASE)

    Units : 75.684, Value: 10,000

Here, Money does not come to my bank or security account

Normal Posting could be

Cr Liquid Fund : 9696.630

Cr Short Term Capital Gain : 303.370

Dr Equity Fund, 1

I am just wondering, how this transaction can be effected in GNUCASH. I 
tried to search for wiki and some old communication on this subject but 
could not get the clear idea. Hence, thought of seeking help here.


Will very much appreciate any help

With my best regards


Paras

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[GNC] Moving from quicken

[Paras Desai]

In order to have tax report GNUCASH offers some options

1. If you are from USA, you can use GNUCASH inbuilt tax report

2. For non usa users, there are few work around, which i have adopted

A. Create income account and in its name add suffix taxable

Or

B. While posting income add "tax" in description.

Then run account or transaction report, in option menu filter "contains tax in 
description"

Or select account including child account which contains tax in its description.

All transactions or balance for the period selected will be there in the report 
generated.


This may need some practice or couple of attempts, but the report will be 
useful for knowing taxable income

Of course while posting you get to know which income is taxable and which is 
not.

Hope this helps

With regards

Paras

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[GNC] Indian Rupee Symbol

[Paras Desai]

Hello Jim

Thanks for your kind help. It worked like a charm. Really appreciate it.

I get it that I should mention version no and operating system. I missed to 
mention version no but i did mention that i am on windows 10.

I generally Google to find out replies to my issue (on how to ) as it throws 
old mail trails or wiki articles.

In case if this query, i did not do it , because a couple of days before my 
query only they're was a mention in one of the communication about how to set 
currency symbol and I tried to follow that.

Thanks again for your kind help !

It looks satisfying now to look at my account with my currency symbol , 
thanks to you and developers

Wish you and your family a very happy New year

My special thanks and best wishes for new year for developers of GNUCASH and 
all the friends who have been helpful to eachother in using GNUCASH.

Paras
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[GNC] Indian rupee symbol ₹

[Paras Desai]

Hello

I was trying to introduce Indian rupee symbol ₹ instead of Rs. In GNUCASH

I tried to follow following steps..

1. I went to regional setting of my windows 10 and changed the currency symbol 
from drop-down option to ₹. After doing this when I opened GNU, Rs. Was 
replaced by ? Mark.

2. Then I tried to go to currency setting (security setting) found Indian 
rupee, pressed edit at bottom and tried to change currency symbol from Rs. To ₹ 
by pressing control+ alter+ 4. I could type rupee symbol but after pressing ok 
it reverted to Rs.

3 So GNU recognises rupee ₹ symbol neither through window setting nor setting 
from within GNU case nor combination of both.


It does recognise other currency symbol however.

This is not absolutely critical, but thought of sharing.

With my best regards

Paras

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Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message

[Paras Desai]

Hello John

It seems that this issue is bit adamant.

After uninstalling and reinstalling, the message disappeared as i reported.

But when i set to enter transactions this evening, the message again reappeared.

So I restarted computer and open gnucash, it opened without error message. I 
tried to close gnu cash and reopen few times  the error message appeared 
randomly.

Worse, i decided to update gnu cash on another laptop used by my wife. It 
failed to install stating that it is unable to close service. I was forced to 
abort the installation, re-start the laptop and then i only I could install the 
update.

So there seems some problem with New Version or the legacy issue of back ground 
service running interfering the  successful update.


Thanks

Paras


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From: john 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 10:37:19 PM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message

Paras,

Thanks for the followup.

Regards,
John Ralls


On Dec 19, 2023, at 00:17, Paras Desai  wrote:

Hello John

I uninstalled the GNU cash completely after saving my account files.

And then downloaded exe file again from sourceforge and reinstalled again.

After reinstall, the problem and error message i reported earlier disappeared.

I think some thing might have gone wrong during my earlier installation, though 
GNU cash showed successful installation.

With my best regards and against thanks for your kind support as always

Paras

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From: john 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 9:43:52 AM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message

Paras,

Sorry, I misinterpreted

I find a message about lock file stating gnu cash instance is already running

That's normal after a crash, which prevents GnuCash removing the lock file. You 
can safely click "Open Anyway" in that case.

If you get the entry point error again could you take a screenshot? I can't 
find any references to "xmllOFTPClose" in any of our dependencies nor does 
Google find it.

Regards,
John Ralls




On Dec 18, 2023, at 17:57, Paras Desai  wrote:

Hello John.

Thanks for your reply

I did that.
Even  I restarted the computer.

But the problem persists.

Paras

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From: john 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 9:24:14 PM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message



> On Dec 17, 2023, at 21:36, Paras Desai  wrote:
>
> Hello sirs
>
> I tried to upgrade to latest version.
>
>
> After it uninstalled old version and reinstalled successfully, and when I 
> tried to run the following message appeared
>
>
> [X]
>
> Gnucash.exe - Entry Point Not Found
>
> The procedure entry point xmllOFTPClose cloud not be located in the dynamic 
> link library c: program files(x86)gnucash\bin\libxmlsec1.dll
>
>
> When I tried to ignore this message and click ok, I find a message about lock 
> file stating gnu cash instance is already running
>
> I am on windows 10

Try killing the gnucash instance in Task Manager and restarting GnuCash 5.5. I 
hope that's a leftover from 5.4.

Regards,
John Ralls



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[GNC] Balance column Lost

[Paras Desai]

Hello Adrien

Thanks a lot for sparing your time to check on my problem. Really appreciate 
your support.

I did what you have suggested and i could get back my  balance column and along 
with the balance amount in my bank account ! .

This made me think, in order to prevent this from recurring by some careless 
guys like me, is it possible to restrict the width of each column to a minimum 
dimension of pixels? This way we can prevent it from accidentally disappearing. 
Some suggestions are easier said  than implemented though ! And i do understand 
that.

With my best regards

Paras


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Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message

[Paras Desai]

Hello John

I uninstalled the GNU cash completely after saving my account files.

And then downloaded exe file again from sourceforge and reinstalled again.

After reinstall, the problem and error message i reported earlier disappeared.

I think some thing might have gone wrong during my earlier installation, though 
GNU cash showed successful installation.

With my best regards and against thanks for your kind support as always

Paras

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From: john 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 9:43:52 AM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message

Paras,

Sorry, I misinterpreted

I find a message about lock file stating gnu cash instance is already running

That's normal after a crash, which prevents GnuCash removing the lock file. You 
can safely click "Open Anyway" in that case.

If you get the entry point error again could you take a screenshot? I can't 
find any references to "xmllOFTPClose" in any of our dependencies nor does 
Google find it.

Regards,
John Ralls




On Dec 18, 2023, at 17:57, Paras Desai  wrote:

Hello John.

Thanks for your reply

I did that.
Even  I restarted the computer.

But the problem persists.

Paras

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From: john 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 9:24:14 PM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message



> On Dec 17, 2023, at 21:36, Paras Desai  wrote:
>
> Hello sirs
>
> I tried to upgrade to latest version.
>
>
> After it uninstalled old version and reinstalled successfully, and when I 
> tried to run the following message appeared
>
>
> [X]
>
> Gnucash.exe - Entry Point Not Found
>
> The procedure entry point xmllOFTPClose cloud not be located in the dynamic 
> link library c: program files(x86)gnucash\bin\libxmlsec1.dll
>
>
> When I tried to ignore this message and click ok, I find a message about lock 
> file stating gnu cash instance is already running
>
> I am on windows 10

Try killing the gnucash instance in Task Manager and restarting GnuCash 5.5. I 
hope that's a leftover from 5.4.

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message

[Paras Desai]

Yes the installation completed successfully.

That message was there .

Little Google search points to the possibility of a corrupted XML file in 
windows.

Thanks.

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From: R Losey 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 10:34:30 AM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: john ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org 

Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message

Forgive the possibly silly question, but are you sure that the installation 
completed successfully? Is that referenced library file in the folder?

On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 10:30 PM Paras Desai 
mailto:desaipa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hello John

Thanks for your revert.

Please find attached the message screenshot.

Hope it helps

Thanks
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From: john mailto:jra...@ceridwen.us>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 9:43:52 AM
To: Paras Desai mailto:desaipa...@outlook.com>>
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org<mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> 
mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>>
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message

Paras,

Sorry, I misinterpreted

I find a message about lock file stating gnu cash instance is already running

That's normal after a crash, which prevents GnuCash removing the lock file. You 
can safely click "Open Anyway" in that case.

If you get the entry point error again could you take a screenshot? I can't 
find any references to "xmllOFTPClose" in any of our dependencies nor does 
Google find it.

Regards,
John Ralls




On Dec 18, 2023, at 17:57, Paras Desai 
mailto:desaipa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hello John.

Thanks for your reply

I did that.
Even  I restarted the computer.

But the problem persists.

Paras

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From: john mailto:jra...@ceridwen.us>>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 9:24:14 PM
To: Paras Desai mailto:desaipa...@outlook.com>>
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org<mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> 
mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>>
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message



> On Dec 17, 2023, at 21:36, Paras Desai 
> mailto:desaipa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello sirs
>
> I tried to upgrade to latest version.
>
>
> After it uninstalled old version and reinstalled successfully, and when I 
> tried to run the following message appeared
>
>
> [X]
>
> Gnucash.exe - Entry Point Not Found
>
> The procedure entry point xmllOFTPClose cloud not be located in the dynamic 
> link library c: program files(x86)gnucash\bin\libxmlsec1.dll
>
>
> When I tried to ignore this message and click ok, I find a message about lock 
> file stating gnu cash instance is already running
>
> I am on windows 10

Try killing the gnucash instance in Task Manager and restarting GnuCash 5.5. I 
hope that's a leftover from 5.4.

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message

[Paras Desai]

Hello John.

Thanks for your reply

I did that.
Even  I restarted the computer.

But the problem persists.

Paras

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From: john 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 9:24:14 PM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message



> On Dec 17, 2023, at 21:36, Paras Desai  wrote:
>
> Hello sirs
>
> I tried to upgrade to latest version.
>
>
> After it uninstalled old version and reinstalled successfully, and when I 
> tried to run the following message appeared
>
>
> [X]
>
> Gnucash.exe - Entry Point Not Found
>
> The procedure entry point xmllOFTPClose cloud not be located in the dynamic 
> link library c: program files(x86)gnucash\bin\libxmlsec1.dll
>
>
> When I tried to ignore this message and click ok, I find a message about lock 
> file stating gnu cash instance is already running
>
> I am on windows 10

Try killing the gnucash instance in Task Manager and restarting GnuCash 5.5. I 
hope that's a leftover from 5.4.

Regards,
John Ralls

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[GNC] Gnu cash Version 5.5 error message

[Paras Desai]

Hello sirs

I tried to upgrade to latest version.


After it uninstalled old version and reinstalled successfully, and when I tried 
to run the following message appeared


[X]

Gnucash.exe - Entry Point Not Found

The procedure entry point xmllOFTPClose cloud not be located in the dynamic 
link library c: program files(x86)gnucash\bin\libxmlsec1.dll


When I tried to ignore this message and click ok, I find a message about lock 
file stating gnu cash instance is already running

I am on windows 10

Thanks

Paras


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Today's Topics:

   1.  Help with searching questions and problems (Gyle McCollam)
   2. Re:  Help with searching questions and problems (david whiting)
   3. Re:  Accounting Period Change issue (Kalpesh Patel)
   4. Re:  Help with searching questions and problems (Glenn Fowler)
   5. Re:  ANNOUNCE: GnuCash 5.5 Released (Glenn Fowler)
   6. Re:  ANNOUNCE: GnuCash 5.5 Released (Glenn Fowler)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 00:56:51 +
From: Gyle McCollam 
To: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" 
Subject: [GNC] Help with searching questions and problems
Message-ID:



Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I sent an email 5 days ago, Titled "Import Issue" and have not seen any 
responses.  Where do I go to search questions submitted to see if it was 
received?


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 01:11:19 +
From: david whiting 
To: Gyle McCollam 
Cc: Gnucash 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Help with searching questions and problems
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Hi Gyle,

The list of mailing lists can be found here:
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists

One listed is the English (USA) archive:
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/

There you can view each month by thread, subject, author, and date. I can
see four messages from you in December.

David

On Mon, 18 Dec 2023, 00:57 Gyle McCollam,  wrote:

> I sent an email 5 days ago, Titled "Import Issue" and have not seen any
> responses.  Where do I go to search questions submitted to see if it was
> received?
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 20:39:55 -0500
From: "Kalpesh Patel" 
To: ,   "'Gnucash Users'"

Subject: Re: [GNC] Accounting Period Change issue
Message-ID: <002301da3153$1b03a040$510ae0c0$@usa.net>
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There was an outstanding bug reported for it ... and fixed but somehow it might 
be back again: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798709
There was an old bug reported as well: 
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745841


-Original Message-
From: Fred Tydeman 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 5:05 PM
To: Gnucash Users 
Subject: [GNC] Accounting Period Change issue

In trying to track down a Total (Period) issue, I used Edit -> Preferences -> 
Accounting Period to change the Start Date and End Date fields to Absolute 
dates.
After doing Close of that dialog,
there appeared to be no change
in the values in the Total (period) column.
I expected a change, but maybe it is working as designed.

However, after closing and reopening GnuCash, there then were changes in the 
values.




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 21:50:15 -0500
From: Glenn Fowler 
To: Gyle McCollam 
Cc: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Help with searching questions and problems
Message-ID:



Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Hi Gyle,

You can search the archives here:
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/

Re: [GNC] Balance column Lost

[Paras Desai]

Hello Gyle

Thanks for your reply .

I did try that too.

The problem is, line parting balance column and credit column are so 
overlapped, i am unable to separate them.

So when i adjust other columns, scroll bar does appear at the bottom, but still 
balance column is not visible.

It appears that in my quest to adjust column width manually, i have lost 
balance column irreversibly, or that is what it appears to me. As i have tried 
every suggestions i could find.

Thanks

Paras

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From: Gyle McCollam 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 10:04:22 pm
To: Paras Desai ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org 

Subject: Re: [GNC] Balance column Lost

If your columns are too wide the balance column may be out of view.  If that is 
the case, you may have a scroll bar at the bottom of the screen, which you can 
use to see the balance column.  If you have the scroll bar and don't want to 
scroll all the time, you will have to make one or more columns smaller.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

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From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Paras Desai 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 6:12 AM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: [GNC] Balance column Lost

Hello Sirs

In my attempt to adjust the column with of account page for one of my
account , I lost the Last column, (Balance column)

I tried every suggestion, which I could find in mailing list and past
communication, but none worked.

1. I tried to change the resolution of the window and try to find a
double line of the last column which may have overlapped, but could not

2. I try to double-click on each column heading but without any success.


Is there any way in which I can restore the balance column.  with all
due respect to the contributor which is of course is in abundance, the
current design of the account page column management is something which
could have been better and less disastrous by design.


I will greatly appreciate any help on this issue

With my regards


Paras
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[GNC] Balance column Lost

[Paras Desai]

Hello Sirs

In my attempt to adjust the column with of account page for one of my 
account , I lost the Last column, (Balance column)


I tried every suggestion, which I could find in mailing list and past 
communication, but none worked.


1. I tried to change the resolution of the window and try to find a 
double line of the last column which may have overlapped, but could not


2. I try to double-click on each column heading but without any success.


Is there any way in which I can restore the balance column.  with all 
due respect to the contributor which is of course is in abundance, the 
current design of the account page column management is something which 
could have been better and less disastrous by design.



I will greatly appreciate any help on this issue

With my regards


Paras
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[GNC] tax report for india

[Paras Desai]

Hello Adrien,

Thanks for your reply. Much appreciate.

I was running the transaction report, without selecting child account (I 
assumed that by selecting “Income” account all children accounts would 
be selected automatically, but that was not the case). I selected all 
the children accounts (there is a separate Tab for the same in 
Transaction report) and I could generate the report, which is close to 
what I had expected.


I also tried to run the Account Summary report, which was cleaner and 
concise, (though I had to select individual “Taxable Income” 
separately), but it could not generate the Grand Total.


Yes, I am aware that I can filter based on the note/description text to 
generate the tax report, as you kindly highlighted. But I always fear, 
if I may miss tagging a particular transaction as Taxable while posting, 
and eventually it may lead to an error in figures I get. So I chose 
little foolproof way, though I have to make few extra entries, but it is 
OK for me!


Thanks again for your suggestion and wish, one day we will see a tax 
report for India too !!


With my best regards


Paras

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[GNC] Tax report for India

[Paras Desai]

Hello friends

I was trying to find work around for getting summary of taxable income at the 
end if financial year end. I tried following

1. I put In discerption field as "TAX" while creating different income accounts 
for incomes which are taxable (like salary, capital gain, interest, annuity etc)
2. So practically, while posting income, I seperate them out as taxable and non 
taxable
3. I also selected "Tax" in tax report for such accounts though it is for USA, 
but just to identify such income
 as taxable
4. When I run tax report all report generated with INR value in peranrhesis as 
part of text, and income as 0, because it took currency as USD.
5. I tried to run account summary / transaction report with filter word  as 
Tax, but could not generate desired report.

Is there any good and efficient way to achieve my above mentioned objective?

Thank you in advance for your kind attention

With best regards
Paras

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[GNC] Advanced Portfolio Report - Brokerage Fees

[Paras Desai]

Hi

The tax deducted at source before payout is kind of advance tax, and it becomes 
your tax credit.

So ideally you should create an asset account named "advance Tax" or "Tax 
deducted at source" and post the deducted amount by bank in this asset account. 
You need to identify the brokerage fee seperately and post as brokerage expense.

By thing this, you advance portfolio report will come correctly and will match 
with the capital gain tax posted by you as a result of split.

Hope this will work!

Paras

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[GNC] Advance portfolio report between two dates

[Paras Desai]

Hello Michael

Thanks for your feed back.

I fully agree that Dynamic COA can create havoc while comparing two period 
(dates) financial report.

That is the precise reason, I have very precisely structured primary account 
and secondary sub account so far my work accounts are concern. No one can 
change without authorisation. No created account to be deleted even if have 
zero balance and so on. There is a detailed SOP implemented as how to handle 
COA.

Having said that, i would believe that certain reports does not have much value 
if they are not compared. For example, balance sheet - it reflects balances. It 
will be one of the most important comparison  for example, as how much account 
payable has increased between two period and stuff. Even if I have to make 
indirect cashflow statement, i need  balance sheets between two dates to 
calculate increase / decrease in working capital and its effect on operating 
cash flow.

Unfortunately, out of habit, i try to mimic such things from my personal 
finance too, which I know is over kill. And i must understand the limitations. 
But as they say old habit die hard.

I have been trying to adopt GNU Cash fully, though I started using it since 
last few months only. My idea was to look no further, if I can get most of the 
things from GC.

Thanks again for your time in addressing my question.

With best regards

Paras

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[GNC] Advance portfolio report between two dates

[Paras Desai]

Hi Ken

Thanks for your kind reply and efforts in explaining a way.

Apparently, it appears that there is no alternative but to run reports on two 
dates and compare or do some analysis.

Any reports comparing two period is a desirable thing in finance and 
accounting, may it be personal accounting.

Thanks

Paras




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[GNC] Advance portfolio report between two dates

[Paras Desai]

Hello friends
Greetings.

I wish to understand, if I can run advance portfolio report between two dates. 
The needs arises from the fact that I wish to monitor, as how my investment is 
doing between two dates (for example between August 1, 2023 and August 31, 2023)

I tried to select dates in General options, but it shows report till date or 
till period, but does not show from date.

Thanking you

Paras
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Re: [GNC] NAV of pension fund from India

[Paras Desai]

Yes, i have just six funds.

Yours is a very good suggestion, i think I will implement it.

Thanks 
Paras

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From: Murugan Muruganandam 
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 10:57:06 PM
To: Paras Desai ; R Losey 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] NAV of pension fund from India

Paras

If you have limited pension funds you use, the easiest way is to use the price 
upload feature in GNUCash after you get the pricing from the website.
As you have also mentioned it is long term and i update my pension funds once a 
month




Saludos Cordiales


Murugan


From: gnucash-user 
 on behalf of 
Paras Desai 
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2023 10:18 PM
To: R Losey 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] NAV of pension fund from India

Thanks Losey

Yes your are right.

Subscription to pension fund is for very long term. And can get nav after 
logging into fund.

Of course we have an option to switch between one find to another, if one if 
one feels other fund option is providing better return. To thst extent we need 
to monitor fund performance.

So I raised the question. The investment in pension fund are not liquid except 
occasional switch between find.

Thanks
Paras

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From: R Losey 
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 12:42:43 AM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] NAV of pension fund from India



On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 8:28 AM Paras Desai 
mailto:desaipa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
  WE have a pension fund in india, which is run by various financial
institution.

These funds invest in various secerity same as mutual fund and such
investment have NAV.

Is there a possibility in GC or Finance Quote to fetch the NAV of such
pension fund and update in GC

the source of such NAV can be traced to

https://www.npscra.nsdl.co.in/nav-search.php

Thanks


Paras

While it may be possible, is it needed?  My company also has a pension fund, 
and  they put out regular reports, but as it is beyond my control, I've never 
been concerned with trying to see how their management of the fund is doing.

On  the other hand, I have a 401K, but because it was added to regularly (each 
paycheck), entering those transactions (and the dividends, etc) would update 
the prices regularly, so I don't really need automated price updates for it, 
and that was good enough. If I really needed the correct value, I could log 
into the fund and look at it.

Just another thought.

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Re: [GNC] NAV of pension fund from India

[Paras Desai]

Thanks Losey

Yes your are right.

Subscription to pension fund is for very long term. And can get nav after 
logging into fund.

Of course we have an option to switch between one find to another, if one if 
one feels other fund option is providing better return. To thst extent we need 
to monitor fund performance.

So I raised the question. The investment in pension fund are not liquid except 
occasional switch between find.

Thanks
Paras

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From: R Losey 
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 12:42:43 AM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] NAV of pension fund from India



On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 8:28 AM Paras Desai 
mailto:desaipa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
  WE have a pension fund in india, which is run by various financial
institution.

These funds invest in various secerity same as mutual fund and such
investment have NAV.

Is there a possibility in GC or Finance Quote to fetch the NAV of such
pension fund and update in GC

the source of such NAV can be traced to

https://www.npscra.nsdl.co.in/nav-search.php

Thanks


Paras

While it may be possible, is it needed?  My company also has a pension fund, 
and  they put out regular reports, but as it is beyond my control, I've never 
been concerned with trying to see how their management of the fund is doing.

On  the other hand, I have a 401K, but because it was added to regularly (each 
paycheck), entering those transactions (and the dividends, etc) would update 
the prices regularly, so I don't really need automated price updates for it, 
and that was good enough. If I really needed the correct value, I could log 
into the fund and look at it.

Just another thought.

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[GNC] NAV of pension fund from India

[Paras Desai]

 WE have a pension fund in india, which is run by various financial 
institution.


These funds invest in various secerity same as mutual fund and such 
investment have NAV.


Is there a possibility in GC or Finance Quote to fetch the NAV of such 
pension fund and update in GC


the source of such NAV can be traced to

https://www.npscra.nsdl.co.in/nav-search.php

Thanks


Paras
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[GNC] Gnu cash Android app and sync

[Paras Desai]

Dear all thanks for your kind response. As it turn out to be an unanimous 
opinion that Android app is not worth, from all of your collective experience, 
i am not going to reinvent the wheel .

At present, i am using a mobile expense posting simple app, which I use to 
record day to day transaction, which almost mimic my chart of account in GC.
MY only objective was to check if auto sync was possible

Thank you all friends

Paras


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[GNC] GNU Cash for Android

[Paras Desai]

I looked for Android fork for GC and was presented with two apps
1. GNU Cash
2. GNU cash mobile.

I think they are independent and not connected with GC ORG.

However, I just wish to understand if I use any of the two  android app just 
for basic day to expense posting, sync with say.. gdrive. And on desktop, if I 
access the file from gdrive folder (synced), then my account stays in sync. Is 
this possible with kind of GNU cash file structure.?

Thanks

Paras


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Re: [GNC] Consolidation of family member accounts

[Paras Desai]

Thanks for a sharing fundamental understanding of accounting, that too coming 
from a person who seems to have actually done booking keeping with pen and 
paper is a real treat. 


It crossed my mind to treat family members as partners but it would have been 
more complicated than maintaining individual and independent books for every 
member.

Yes, when I raised question about consolidation, i had in my mind that singular 
entity (I do work for a public limited entity having few subsidiary)  and i was 
kind of trying to mimic the consolidation done between such entities by 
elimination of inter company transaction.

But I will stick with your suggestion to use equity account to post "within 
family" transaction. That is the cleanest way and future ready way.

Thanks again.

With my best regards

Paras

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From: Michael or Penny Novack 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 7:36:06 PM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: Consolidation of family member accounts


>
> Generally, I consider equity as a holy account, as it is a result of
> all we do with all other accounts, but this case could be an exception.

That's a misunderstanding of equity coming from the (very common)
special case of "sole" entities. But say, for example, the entity were a
partnership. Then under equity would be the accounts representing the
shares of the partners. And let's say a partner took a "draw" (or in
reverse, made an increase to their investment). Then "cash" would be one
side of the transaction and THEIR equity share the other side.

And of course, back in the days of pen and ink on paper when we did an
actual "close the books" every so often, just like accounts of type
"income" and "expense" are really temporary accounts of fundamental type
equity*, there would be other temporary accounts under equity. Notably
"profit and loss" because the income and expense accounts would first be
closed into that account and then it closed to equity by the net gain of
loss amount << and that account would be the "profit and loss" report >>

IF you were insisting on keeping just one set of books for the family
(but all having their own banks accounts, income, expenses, some
individual and some shared, all doing their own tax reporting, etc.) it
COULD be done using gnucash. But I would strongly suggest you first had
a good understanding about accounting for partnerships, especially
professional partnerships (where partners have income and expenses
considered just theirs as well as income and expenses shared -- often
law firms like this).

Michael D Novack

* Notice that if accounts of type income and expense were actually in
the tree under equity (as opposed to having their own top levels) then
the fundamental equation assets = liabilities + equity remains true in
its simplest form.


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Re: [GNC] Consolidation of family member accounts

[Paras Desai]

Hello Stan

Thanks for your response.

As I have replied to Liz and addressing your valid point, i am maintaining 
three separate books for each one of us, independent to each other. And that is 
why I raised a query how I can combine or consolidate three books to create one 
virtual book which I would call a family book.

Your and Liz point is absolutely correct and fortunately I am following the 
same.

Thanks a lot

With my best regards

Paras




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From: Stan Brown 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 9:04:48 AM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Cc: Paras Desai 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Consolidation of family member accounts

On 2023-08-13 20:16, Paras Desai wrote:
> Your idea of debiting equity is good. May need to create a sub account of 
> equity  specifically to capture related party transaction (as they call in 
> legal parlance ).

Well, that's one possibility. Another would be to have a placeholder
account, "Family Equity", with three subaccounts for the three of you.
(No transactions to a placeholder account can be made directly.
Transactions are always made to a subaccount. In reports, you can set
placeholder accounts to have value equal to the total of their
subaccount values.)

Please understand, however, that your question is not really a question
about GnuCash. GC is just the old pen-and-ink accounting translated to
computer files. The question of how to structure a transaction has the
same answer in GC as it would have if you were making pen-and-ink
transactions in one of those old leatherbound journals.

I didn't see you respond to the person who suggested that you should
perhaps have a separate book for each of the three of you. As that
person suggested, if you have everything in one book, when your son
leaves to establish his own household, it may be significant work to
separate his affairs for yours. The same is true if you and your wife
should ever establish separate households, or if one of you should
predecease the other.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
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[GNC] Consolidation of family member accounts

[Paras Desai]

Hello Liz

Thanks for your point. It is absolutely correct and relevant.

As such I am maintaining three separate books for me, my wife and son 
independent of each other. And that is why the question came up, how do I 
consolidate three separate accounts or books to have a report as what is 
happening at family level.

When he goes his own way, once he completes his studies, he can. Bring his 
account and his NetWorth both. And when that happens, my family NetWorth will 
be mine and my wife's combined ( provided we will together, which is more 
likely than not )

With my best regards

Paras

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[GNC] Consolidation of family member accounts

[Paras Desai]

Hello Flywire

Thanks for your option. Tagged report is an interesting feature to add. I can 
certainly tag transactions, had I been using same books for all family members 
to generate report. But I am maintaining three separate books.

However, I have a different user case in my mind, with your report.

Thank you

Paras
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[GNC] Consolidation of family member accounts

[Paras Desai]

Hello Micheal

Thanks a lot for your kind reply.
Yes I am maintaining three separate books for three family members, as that is 
the way to go.

Your idea of debiting equity is good. May need to create a sub account of 
equity  specifically to capture related party transaction (as they call in 
legal parlance ). This will certainly take care of duplication!! This is 
excellent suggestion. I have to transfer all past transaction from expense or 
receivables to this equity account.

Generally, I consider equity as a holy account, as it is a result of all we do 
with all other accounts, but this case could be an exception.


As regarding consolidation, Of course I can arithmetically add three books 
having avoided duplicates, but it is a good feature to have if GNC can have an 
engine to do this!  Of course this is just a desirable and not an essential 
feature.

Thanks a lot for your suggestion

Paras



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Re: [GNC] Consolidation of family member accounts

[Paras Desai]

Thanks for your reply

The question arises because;

My wife and I maintain separate accounts. She has her own income and tax 
filing. So we need to maintain accounts independent of each other.

But at the same time, we wish to maintain family level account which generally 
gives us idea about

Total Family income, total family expense and total family investment.

This is the same scenario as two independent legal companies wherein one is a 
parent company and another is subsidiary company. Both legal entity has to 
maintain their own accounts/ books for their respective tax filing and legal 
compliances but have to report consolidated financial statement at group level.

Hope I am able to explain the scenario unambiguously

Thanking you

Paras


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From: David T. 
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2023 11:03:06 PM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Consolidation of family member accounts

A transfer between two asset accounts (your account to your wife's) doesn't 
need any further entries, unless you're considering these transfers as some 
kind of bookable event. Are you paying them, or just transferring them funds? 
If the latter, then just two entries crediting/debiting the two assets.

When your wife receives the funds this way, there's no change in the family net 
worth. When she buys something, the transaction includes her bank account and 
the proper expense account.

David T.
On Aug 13, 2023, at 8:05 PM, Paras Desai 
mailto:desaipa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hello sirs,

1. I am adopting GNC for my family members (me, wife and son)
2. There are lots of transfer takes place between family members. For example, 
I transfer an amount to wife account , for her expense or investment. Same for 
son.
3. At present I can adopt two approach for such transfer
Either I can show transferred amount as gift expense or create account 
receivable in name of family member.
4. Neither is a good practice, as at family level, it will erroneously show 
duplicate expenses (mine as gift to wife and, wife's actual expenses with 
gifted fund)

So my question is

Is there a way in GNC to consolidate family members account to arrive at net 
worth of entire family?

When we do consolidation of accounts, we eliminate inter transaction between 
members (as we do between a parent and subsidiary company in business scenario)

I will be happy to explore the way, if there is any way I can achieve this in 
GNC

Thank you

Paras




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[GNC] Consolidation of family member accounts

[Paras Desai]

Hello sirs,

1. I am adopting GNC for my family members (me, wife and son)
2. There are lots of transfer takes place between family members. For example, 
I transfer an amount to wife account , for her expense or investment. Same for 
son.
3. At present I can adopt two approach for such transfer
Either I can show transferred amount as gift expense or create account 
receivable in name of family member.
4. Neither is a good practice, as at family level, it will erroneously show 
duplicate expenses (mine as gift to wife and, wife's actual expenses with 
gifted fund)

So my question is

Is there a way in GNC to consolidate family members account to arrive at net 
worth of entire family?

When we do consolidation of accounts, we eliminate inter transaction between 
members (as we do between a parent and subsidiary company in business scenario)

I will be happy to explore the way, if there is any way I can achieve this in 
GNC

Thank you

Paras


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Re: [GNC] Finance quote not working

[Paras Desai]

Hello John,

Thanks for the diagnosis – spot on.

I disabled price update for the stock from BSE and finance quote works 
just fine. I will keep it that way for the time being.


It was amazing how you devoted your time in helping me and very 
logically reached to the root of the cause.


My much gratitude and profound thanks to you for your wonderful help.

Best regards

Paras

On 09-08-2023 01:27, John Ralls wrote:

Paras,

Thanks. With that I was able to diagnose the problem: It's from a source and 
symbol that hadn't been mentioned in the thread before. I've sent you a private 
reply with which stock it is.

The problem was caused by the Finance::Quote BSEIndia.pm inserting an invalid string into 
the JSON return value, causing the parser to not parse anything. I've reported that to 
Finance::Quote ashttps://github.com/finance-quote/finance-quote/issues/335. I'll also 
make sure that GnuCash pops its "quotes not retrieved" message box when that 
happens.

In the meantime you can disable quotes on that stock while you figure out how 
to reliably retrieve quotes for it.

Regards,
John Ralls


On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:55 AM, Paras Desai  wrote:

Hello John,

Please find attached the regenerated Trace file

Thanks

Paras

On 08-08-2023 23:10, john wrote:

Prasad,

Darn it, I told you the wrong log argument. It should be 
--log=gnc.price-quotes=debug. Sorry, please try again.

Regards,
John Ralls



On Aug 8, 2023, at 10:28, Paras Desai
  wrote:






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Re: [GNC] Finance quote not working

[Paras Desai]

Thanks David,

Yes I have configured exactly as you have mentioned.

As advised by John, i checked Trace file, which says, failed to parse price.

So waiting for further advice under the situation.

Something seems wrong with my laptop or installation, as every one is getting 
the price update.

Hope to figure out what is going on at my end with your all help.


Thanks your kind efforts to help me out. Very much appreciated.

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From: David H 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 2:35:10 AM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: list+gnuc...@jdlh.com ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org 

Subject: Re: [GNC] Finance quote not working

Paras,

How have you set up the security editor entry for RELIANCE in your gnucash 
file. I have set it up in my file as follows and it returns the same price 
details as gnucash-cli without error.

Cheers David H.

[image.png]

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 00:02, Paras Desai 
mailto:desaipa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hello Jin and all friends

Thanks for your kind help and suggestion in running command prompt.
GnuCash was installed in F drive and I forgot that, so the error message
was coming,

I ran the command prompt, and it threw the result for RELIANCE, FOR
EXAMPLE, as below. So the Finance quote works, but integrated Finance
quote in GnuCash does not. What could be the next step?

Thank you.

Paras


  close => 2523.85
   symbol => RELIANCE
prevclose => 2509.55
 open => 2521
  low => 2505
 last => 2523.5
  isodate => 2023-08-07
   method => nseindia
 exchange => NSE
 high => 2528.4
  success => 1
 currency => INR
 date => 08/07/2023
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Re: [GNC] Finance quote not working

[Paras Desai]

Thanks Murugan,

I do not use NS extension. I have been getting the prices  and suddenly it 
stopped. I have been able to get the prices thru command prompt.

Thanks for your effort to help me out

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From: Murugan Muruganandam 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 5:07:38 AM
To: David H ; Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org ; list+gnuc...@jdlh.com 

Subject: Re: [GNC] Finance quote not working

Paras

just a thought, if you had been using Yahoo earlier, the symbol was RELIANCE.NS 
, if you use nseindia you remove the .NS from symbol




Saludos Cordiales


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From: gnucash-user 
 on behalf of 
David H 
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 5:05 PM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org ; list+gnuc...@jdlh.com 

Subject: Re: [GNC] Finance quote not working

Paras,

How have you set up the security editor entry for RELIANCE in your gnucash
file. I have set it up in my file as follows and it returns the same price
details as gnucash-cli without error.

Cheers David H.

[image: image.png]

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 00:02, Paras Desai  wrote:

> Hello Jin and all friends
>
> Thanks for your kind help and suggestion in running command prompt.
> GnuCash was installed in F drive and I forgot that, so the error message
> was coming,
>
> I ran the command prompt, and it threw the result for RELIANCE, FOR
> EXAMPLE, as below. So the Finance quote works, but integrated Finance
> quote in GnuCash does not. What could be the next step?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Paras
>
>
>   close => 2523.85
>symbol => RELIANCE
> prevclose => 2509.55
>  open => 2521
>   low => 2505
>  last => 2523.5
>   isodate => 2023-08-07
>method => nseindia
>  exchange => NSE
>  high => 2528.4
>   success => 1
>  currency => INR
>  date => 08/07/2023
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Re: [GNC] Finance quote not working

[Paras Desai]

Thanks Jon,

My reply to your questions, Hope this will throw some light to my issue,


1. while i try to get quote, blank screen splashes (perhaps command 
prompt) second splash screen stays for a while and goes off. No error 
message is displayed.


2. As suggested by you, I located the Trace file and checked. It says : 
Price retrieval failed: Failed to parse result returned by Finance::Quote.


* 12:25:02  WARN  
[GncFQQuoteSource::GncFQQuoteSource()] No Alpha Vantage API key set, 
currency quotes and other AlphaVantage based quotes won't work.
* 12:25:04 ERROR  [webkit_resource_load_error()] WebKit load 
of resource 
f:/gnucash/share/guile/site/2.2/gnucash/reports/stylesheets/balsheet-eg.css, 
type (NULL), failed due to URL cannot be shown
* 12:25:16  WARN  
[GncFQQuoteSource::GncFQQuoteSource()] No Alpha Vantage API key set, 
currency quotes and other AlphaVantage based quotes won't work.
* 12:25:25 ERROR  [gnc_prices_dialog_get_quotes_clicked()] 
Price retrieval failed: Failed to parse result returned by Finance::Quote.

Error message:
(1): expected value
* 12:25:25  WARN  invalid cast from '(NULL)' to 'GtkWindow'
* 12:25:25 ERROR  gtk_message_dialog_new: assertion 'parent == NULL 
|| GTK_IS_WINDOW (parent)' failed
* 12:25:25 ERROR  gtk_dialog_run: assertion 'GTK_IS_DIALOG 
(dialog)' failed
* 12:25:25 ERROR  gtk_widget_destroy: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET 
(widget)' failed
* 12:27:33  WARN  
[GncFQQuoteSource::GncFQQuoteSource()] No Alpha Vantage API key set, 
currency quotes and other AlphaVantage based quotes won't work.
* 12:27:42 ERROR  [gnc_prices_dialog_get_quotes_clicked()] 
Price retrieval failed: Failed to parse result returned by Finance::Quote.

Error message:
hare/locale/en_IN/LC_MESSAGES/gnucash.mo
* 12:27:42  WARN  invalid cast from '(NULL)' to 'GtkWindow'
* 12:27:42 ERROR  gtk_message_dialog_new: assertion 'parent == NULL 
|| GTK_IS_WINDOW (parent)' failed
* 12:27:42 ERROR  gtk_dialog_run: assertion 'GTK_IS_DIALOG 
(dialog)' failed
* 12:27:42 ERROR  gtk_widget_destroy: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET 
(widget)' failed


On 08-08-2023 02:01, John Ralls wrote:



On Aug 7, 2023, at 7:01 AM, Paras Desai  wrote:

Hello Jin and all friends

Thanks for your kind help and suggestion in running command prompt. GnuCash was 
installed in F drive and I forgot that, so the error message was coming,

I ran the command prompt, and it threw the result for RELIANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, as 
below. So the Finance quote works, but integrated Finance quote in GnuCash does 
not. What could be the next step?

Thank you.

Paras


  close => 2523.85
   symbol => RELIANCE
prevclose => 2509.55
 open => 2521
  low => 2505
 last => 2523.5
  isodate => 2023-08-07
   method => nseindia
 exchange => NSE
 high => 2528.4
  success => 1
 currency => INR
 date => 08/07/2023


Paras,

GnuCash and gnucash-cli use the same code for Finance::Quote integration, so 
it's not that. You reported that updating your book worked until 26 July, so 
something must have changed around that day. Do you remember changing anything, 
like updating GnuCash or Finance::Quote, that might offer a clue?

There may be an error in your tracefile 
(seehttps://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile) that explains why the prices 
aren't being updated.

When trying to retrieve quotes in the GUI are you getting the message box 
saying that it couldn't retrieve quotes for some stocks followed by a list of 
stocks that fail?

Regards,
John Ralls



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[GNC] Finance quote not working

[Paras Desai]

Hello Jin and all friends

Thanks for your kind help and suggestion in running command prompt. 
GnuCash was installed in F drive and I forgot that, so the error message 
was coming,


I ran the command prompt, and it threw the result for RELIANCE, FOR 
EXAMPLE, as below. So the Finance quote works, but integrated Finance 
quote in GnuCash does not. What could be the next step?


Thank you.

Paras


 close => 2523.85
  symbol => RELIANCE
   prevclose => 2509.55
    open => 2521
 low => 2505
    last => 2523.5
 isodate => 2023-08-07
  method => nseindia
    exchange => NSE
    high => 2528.4
 success => 1
    currency => INR
    date => 08/07/2023
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Re: [GNC] finance Quote Not working

[Paras Desai]

Thank you Jon

I do try .

Very much appreciate your kind help
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From: john 
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2023 9:09:05 PM
To: Paras Desai 
Cc: Jim DeLaHunt ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org 

Subject: Re: [GNC] finance Quote Not working

Paras,

If you're on Windows or Mac you need to give the full path.
Windows:
 " C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnucash-cli"
***Including the quotes!***
Mac:
  /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/gnucash-cli

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Aug 6, 2023, at 01:21, Paras Desai  wrote:
>
> Hello Jim,
>
> Thanks for your suggestion and efforts to test finance quote  for me !
>
> I tried to run the command prompt, and I received the following message.
>
> I run command from as an administrator,  the same message received as below.
>
> gnucash-cli' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
> operable program or batch file.
>
>
> I also tried to use Perl Command Line but without success, the same message 
> as above was diplayed.
>
>
> I am not sure, If I am making any mistake, in running command line !!
>
> With regards
>
> Paras
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[GNC] finance Quote Not working

[Paras Desai]

Hello Jim,

Thanks for your suggestion and efforts to test finance quote  for me !

I tried to run the command prompt, and I received the following message.

I run command from as an administrator,  the same message received as below.

gnucash-cli' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.


I also tried to use Perl Command Line but without success, the same 
message as above was diplayed.



I am not sure, If I am making any mistake, in running command line !!

With regards

Paras
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[GNC] Stock assist not working : GNUcash ver 5.3, on Windows 10

[Paras Desai]

Deal all,

I am having an issue when I am trying to post Buy transaction of Stock 
using stock assist .


When I try to post stock purchase transaction, even though I finish without 
error, the transaction does not get posted.


when I post the transaction using register with split account methof, it is 
posted well.

Though stock assist feature is very good, it appears non functional

I am using ver 5.3 on windows 10.

Will very much appreciate any help on this issue.

Thanks in anticipation.

With best regards

Paras
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[GNC] finance quote not working

[Paras Desai]

Hello Jim,

Thanks for replying to my query regarding "Finance Quote Not Working"

My response to  your questions are as below

1. I am looking to update prices of Stocks and mutual Fund both _from
   India__only_. After I created stock account and mutual fund account,
   the prices of all mutual funds and stocks updated successfully
   twice. ( last update was on 26-7-2023) , there after update is not
   working . For example, I have tried to update following stock
1. Reliance Industry : Ticker is "RELIANCE", listed at NSEIndia
2. Infosys : Ticker is INFY listed at NSEindia

So far, Mutual fund is concerned, following is an example of the fund

        1. Axis Special Situation Fund , symbol for fetching price
   is INF846K01Y05


2. my source for fetching prices are as below ( from the options offered 
by GNUcash)


Stock : Type of quote source --> Unlnown --> nseindia-->time zone (local)

Mutual Fund: Type of quote Source --> Single--> India Mutual --> time 
zone (local)


both the sources were working fine, prices were updating successfully 
till 26-7-2023, but thereafter , they are not working.



3. I am using following version ( as it appears in help--> about menu of 
GNU Cash)


Version : 5.3

Finance Quote : 1.57

I am using Window 10 home

I tried to install GNU cash on another laptop running on Windows 11 
student, using the same account  file which I created on my computer ( 
xml), as well as creating nwe account and configuring the same way, but 
still without success so far the finance quotes are concerned.


Before starting posting my regular accounts and suing the GNU cash at 
production level for my accounts, I studied it detail, particularly the 
finance quote and investment accounting, as one of the purpose of using 
GNUcash over other software was to track my investment.



Hope above information is useful to you for anylsing the issue. Thanks 
again a lot for your kind support and eagerness to hep me. Very much 
appreciate,



With my best regards


Paras






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[GNC] Stock assist does not post transaction, Finance quote does not update price

[Paras Desai]

I am from India.
When i try to post stock purchase transaction, even though i finish without 
error, the transaction does not get posted.

It appears the stock assist features has more of cosmetic value than functional.


Since 26th the finance quote does not update price. When I press get quote 
button, program runs without error but fails to update quote.

This is my second attempt to post the issue but without any reply.

Will any one pay attention and try to help me , or I have to give up!

Thanks in advance and in anticipation.

Paras

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[GNC] (no subject)

[Paras Desai]

Hello sirs

I am using GNUcash, i have encountered two problems

1. Posting of share purchase through stock assist not working. After I enter 
all details, i get no errors. Then i press apply, and when i check back the 
stock ledger or Bank account, no transaction is posted. I have to post the 
share purchase ttadrional ways with split account

2. Stock prices are not updating regularly. It updates randomly. Some times 
only few stock updates,some time nothing happens.

I am from India and i have configured PROPERLY the online quote.

Are these bugs? Or am I missing something?

Will appreciate your kind support

Thanks

Paras

>From India
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