date:20031105

Dear Evans,
Now you really sound like a Protestant!  Is there a
name for someone who is in-between being a Catholic
and a Protestant? That would describe a lot of
Catholics. 
This Pope has completely stifled all discussion on the
topics you have outlined.  Catholics mostly are living
a different reality from what the conservative
teachings say.  I did go into the corridors of the
Vatican in the year 2000 (not just once, but 3
times!)to canvass for the Joseph Vaz canonization, and
went to services, the Papal audience etc. - my
overriding impression was that the place was run by 
white, male, mostly aged or aging clerics, and not one
woman in any position of power and decision-making
authority,that I could see anyway! 
It's definitely a bastion of white, aging male (dare I
say male menopausal) privilege!  They don't speak the
ordinary language of you and me
There's little hope of changing their agenda.  Why
worry, we can only live our own good life and do good
works, and chuckle at the incongruity of it all.
Filomena

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> 
> I refer to, and, applaud  Filomena Giese for her
> thought provoking articles in the last fortnight or
> so
> on the subject of Saint Business.Yes there is a lot
> of
> injustice out there. To speed up the canonization
> process & thst too, bypassing others who have been
> waiting in the wings in spite of meeting the
> required
> criteria is not right. With due respect to the
> Catholic Church, I think the need of the hour is  to
> revamp it's canonical laws on a myriad of issues, so
> as to keep with the times. This article stems from
> my
> personal experiences with the Church over the years,
> and  I don't wish to offend anybody. Some of the
> known
> issues, (just to name a few) being :
> - Inter-religious marriages
> - The role of Nuns
> - Canonization
> - Contraception
> - Celibacy
> - Infallibility of the Pope
> The Catholic Church is slowly losing it's flock and
> needs to do something about it..do you reckon?
> 
> Evans Mendonca /Hong Kong
> P.S. Im neither a canonist nor a catechist..Im just
> a 
> Catholic  
> 
> =
> TO TAKE A RISK IS A BIG RISK!
> Author: Evans F.J.Mendonca 1984
>  
> 
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Re: [Goanet]Re:The Saint Business



Dear Miguel,
We need you for Vice-Postulator of the Cause of Bl.
Joseph Vaz - you understand the business and "vice"
aspect of canonizations!  But, on the other hand, if
we send you to the Vatican, they would give you a
Cardinal's hat and the private bank account that goes
with it
Filomena

--- Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Filomena,
> 
> There are a few business principles that are
> applicable to the saint
> "business":
> 
> 1. No Credit: "In God we trust; rest strictly cash."
> If you want something,
> you gotta pay for it.
> 
> 2.No service without commission: Even canonization
> has hidden costs. I am
> given to understand that US$1,000,000 that you
> quoted, does not take into
> account the inflation and the premium on 'coloured'
> merchandize[not virgin
> material like pure driven snowwhite!].If dress
> circle tickets are
> assured in heaven, quite a few smugglers,builders
> and politicians in Goa/of
> Goan origin would be willing to invest in sainthood.
> Right now they waste
> the money in donations for construction of
> churches,parish
> complexes,sepulchres,etc for local benefits/honour
> in the local parish. Our
> parish is now raising money for the cemetry. No
> receipts so far.Refence to
> receipts was deleted from the appeal[which
> ,unfortunately,I drafted.] All
> good catholics are supposed to contribute: only
> 'protestants' ask
> embarassing questions.
> 
> 3.Peter's Principle: "Work expands to occupy all
> available time."  The
> Postulator is busy, please try after some time.
> 
> The good news is that a new postulator has been
> found for the 'cause' of
> Venerable Fr.Agnelo D'Souza,SFX[ indigenous priest
> of a native orderand
> sainthood is a tall order].Fr.Antonio Marazzo is a
> Redemptorist. Hope he
> will redeem the name of the poor local 'father' who
> happens to be my
> Godfather/Padrinho/Padrin/Podon/Dhom-Baap...and I do
> not even pray to him
> although he became 'venerable' on 11 November,1986.
> Fr.Tony Fernandes,SFX,
> is the new Vice-Postulator who has to document the
> virtue of his departed
> predecessor priest. Hopefully, Fr. Marazzo will not
> say " Mar zok" to the
> causehe is the fourth postulator for Fr. Agnelo
> ,who died on 20
> November,1928 and is a saint in the waiting for 75
> years today. Anyone for
> his diamond jubilee at Pilar?[ Information courtesy
> press release from the
> Society of Pilar, opinions my own.]
> 
> Viva Goa.
> 
> Miguel
> 


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[Goanet]FUNDS ( AWARDS FOR TIATRISTS )

2003-11-05 Thread JoeGoaUk


 I agree with Mr. Patrick De Souza...

It a good idea.  It will not only encourage the
present but the future would be Tiatrists too.

The fund amount may not be Rs.50 lacs. I am sure it
can be done with half of that amount.  Each year Max.
2 Tiatrists can be honoured (so that we continue this
every year)

In order to set the ball rolling..
I promise to contribute atleast repeat atleast
Rs.7000/ towards the fund.

Hope other Tiatr or Konkani lovers will come forward
too.

Thanks,

Joegoauk.

Quote:
The idea that occurred to me was to start a fund by
requesting for contributions from overseas goans and
to utilize this fund to honor our tiatrist who have
kept this art alive. Something on lines of lifetime
awards that other film industries honor their artists.
 
I volunteered to contribute Rs. 10,000/- to set the
ball rolling with promise to make similar contribution
every year. Veronica replied saying the idea was good
but wanted to know who would do it.
 
Why should we wait for the Govt. to honout our
artists, shouldn't we do it on our own. My offer still
stands good if any Goa related organisation is willing
to take the idea forward and make it into a reality.
 
We could hold this event once every year probably at
the annual NRI convention or some other Goa related
day. The selection of an artist can be decided by a
commitee to be set up by the organisation who is
shouldering the responsibilty. The committee should be
honorary with no social blemishes.
 
Nominations can be made and Goans can be asked to send
in their votes either thru postal mail or the net. The
nominations is to be strictly on lines of the number
of years an artist has completed on the Goan stage,
the quality of his work and seniority with no
religious bais whatsoever. A minimum requirement of 12
to 15 years to be nominated should be the basis.
People can also be asked to contribute their thoughts
and ideas how to go about doing this. 
 
To achieve a targeted amount, funds can be collected
for a whole year and a fixed sum such as Rs 50 lakh
set aside in deposits and the interest earned can be
the amount that will go to the selected artist along
with a plaque, certificate and a shawl. The first such
award function can be held within 6 months to a year
on attaining the target.
 
If someone or some organisation can take this idea
forward please do so. I need no credit for the idea.
As promised my contributions will be regular till the
target is achieved. If not I have idea to start on an
individual basis in a local school in the village of
birth of the great Miguel Rod, someday in the future.
 
Are the Colacos, the Pintos, the Gomes listening? Is
any organisation willing to take this idea forward?
 
Sincerely,
Patrick De Souza



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Re: [Goanet]Veneration of Saints - a pagan tradition?

Dear Jaime,
I seriously doubt that most Catholics or anyone else
worship the idol of a saint - 
This veneration of saints is a form of ancestor
worship.  It is only one of many "pagan" traditions in
organized religions, not just Christianity.  The
separation of "pagan" and "Christian" is artificial as
Christians adopted many of the cultural and religious
motifs from those "pagans" they converted.  Canonizing
someone as an official saint does not make them an
idol.  Canonization is the Church's organized process
of making that person a model of Christian faith and
love for the entire, universal Church.  We Goans feel
that we have produced such outstanding models and we
want them officially and justly recognized just like
Mother Teresa, who, incidentally, doesn't have the
monopoly of faith, Christian charity and love! 
Mother Teresa didn't just arise out of a vacuum in
India.  She and the Catholic Church benefitted from
the labors and sacrifices of Indian Catholic men and
women like Father Joseph Vaz who took the hard knocks
of past centuries to build the Church up.  
So, it's high time that the Church acknowledged Indian
saints who made the even bigger sacrifices of working
under persecution, not just white missionaries in
India.
Filomena

--- Bosco - Goanet Volunteer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:09:26 -0800 (PST), Jaime
> DeMello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> It is very sad when human beings, in their desire to
> honor a Saint, exalt a
> saint to a point that instead of being inspired by
> the life of the saint, we
> become worshipers of that saint (or more like in
> case of Goan Catholics, end up
> worshiping an idol of that saint). For example,
> Mother Teresa came to be
> recognized by human beings as a Saint, because was a
> faithful disciple of Jesus
> Christ. She often said that she saw the Jesus in the
> faces of the poor and the
> neglected. Instead of the Church leaders reminding
> us of her deeds and
> challenging us to follow in her footsteps by
> becoming genuine followers of Jesus
> Christ, conduct elaborate ceremonies to bless idols
> and pictures of the saint.
> Soon, these idols will find a spot in our local
> churches where people will
> engage in idol worship of Saint Mother Teresa. So
> instead of Christ being
> glorified through the exemplary life of Mother
> Teresa, an idol made of mud or
> wood or other material becomes glorified.
> 
> That's the real tragedy of this whole so called
> "veneration" and "canonization"
> process. For me, the life and spirit of mother
> Teresa, embedded in my memory and
> my heart is more than enough to honor her. Worship
> belongs only to our One God
> as stated in the first and second commandments. Not
> to any Saint or any human or
> any man made idol or picture.
> 
> God Bless.
> 
> Jaime.
> 
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Re: [Goanet]Re: The saint business

Mervyn,
You are a case in point why we need canonizations for
Fathers Joseph Vaz and Agnelo.
You are excused for not knowing too much about our
Goan ancestors as you come from Tanzania (I read your
earlier post). But when our own Goan sons and
daughters say that they know nothing about Joseph Vaz
and others and that it means that Goa didn't produce
Christian saints, we know we are in trouble! 
I will gather together some quotes about Joseph Vaz to
show you what an outstanding saint and pioneer he was.
Canonization is one way of recording and re-telling
our history. But we can do other things to memorialize
our great Goans. 
As Goa is multi-religious and multi-cultural, I would
encourage other Goans, Hindu,Buddhist, Moslem,
atheist, agnostic, to tell us something about their
models and pioneers.  Many of us already feel, as the
writer of the Toronto Star noted, that sainthood is
universal and shared, that we can honor all saints. 
Secondly, we Goans should be thinking about George
Pinto's suggestion that we find our own way to honor
our saints, not leave it all to Rome.  We lament
corruption, wars, and evils - but what do we do to
honor the goodness, love, charity, service that Goans
do?
I recently saw the Memorial to the new Martyrs,
including Oscar Romero, in Westminister Abbey, put up 
for the millenium year 2000.  England is full of
statues to their notables so that their history rubs
off on even the most mindless Englishman and visitor.
But there is very little public reminder of the deeds
and lives of Goans for the visitor to see in Goa. I
suggest that we increase our visibility so we are not
simply forgotten.
Filomena

--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> George,
> This time you are right (on both counts.)
> 
> The only reason I will take part in a debate is if I
> feel I will learn something from the discussion.
> 
> Unless I get input or an update from anyone here, my
> curiosity of saints will probably remain to when
> they
> come marching in :-)
> 
> Mervyn
> 
> 
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[Goanet]Organic Farming

A day long workshop on "Organic Farming" will be held at Hotel Mandovi on
Thursday, 06 November,2003 under the auspices of the Goa
Government[Directorate of Agriculture] and APEDA.

The Keynote address will be delivered by Dr.J.S.Mann, Additional
Horticulture Commissioner,Govt. of India at 10.15 A.M. This will be followed
by a short film of APEDA before the address of Mr.D.S.Negi,the dynamic Chief
Secretary of Goa who has been making all things possible. He was the
Secretary for Agriculture for a short period but has made a big difference
to agriculture in Goa. May his tribe increase.

Mr. Sanjay Bansal,Managing Director of Sampath Vikas Ltd, will speek at 12
noon on
"Marketing Opportunities in Organic Products."
Mr.Ram Challapa of Ion Exchange Enviro Farms,Mumbai[ a sister concern of the
water purifier majors,Ion Exchange, which had a farm unit near Selaulim dam
in Quepem] will speak about" Commercial Success of Organic Farming"

Responding to the participants'  wishes for interaction ,and building upon
the experience in the orchid production interactions, the Directorate of
Agriculture has included a Q & A session  in this workshop. You will get
your regular fix of speeches by the Honourable Moinister for Agriculture and
the CM,too. It is a package deal...take it or leave it. For those interested
in knowing more about organic farming, and its commercial viability, there
has been no better opportunity in Goa before this. Grab it with both hands!
Contact Directorate of Agriculture,Panaji, or the nearest Z.A.O. for
details.

Viva Goa.
Miguel


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[Goanet]Re: The Saint Business

Dear Stevan Ferros,

Why is it that only catholics have a 'purgatory', get 'indulgences' from the
church through prayer or sacrifice ...or buy it cash down through "bull"
{bulas} ? Or is this all cock and bull of the saint business?

We need to grow up...the world is getting smarterPope John Paul-II has
even officially accepted that  the world goes round the Sun[not the other
way round that the church had us believe all these years]. Now which of the
two Popes was infallible: the one who made the 'dogma' or the one that
accepted the truth?

And why should we not discuss the subject on Goanet when 1.it concerns most
goanetters...and 2. no non-catholic goanetter has protested[that it violates
his freedom of religion] so far?

Viva Goa.
Miguel
P.S. For effective lobbying in the Vatican,try this recipe:
ITALIAN LANGUAGE WEEK: The Italian embassy Cultural Centre is organizing an
> Italian Language Week 2003 in Goa to be celebrated on 6 November at 2.30
pm
> in collaboration with the Faculty of Literature, Goa University, according
> to Ashish Jacob Thomas, AR-Public Relations. (GT)
>

> From: "ferros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: The saint business
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:33:37 -
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hi,
>
> Interesting points.  Goanet I feel should not be used for what can often
be heated religious debate that is not very Christian. Perhaps people who
have issues with Catholicism should use another forum to explore the
teachings
of the Catholic Church.
>
> A good website worth exploring, which I highly recommend is Catholic
answers they have lots of factual information from Scripture and the history
of
> Christianity on aspects such as saints, indulgences and purgatory.
>
> try these websites:
>
>
> http://www.catholic.com/
>
> http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ345.HTM
>
>
> Happy surfing to all!
>
>



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[Goanet]High Court notices to Goa Govt. on beach shacks.

2003-11-05 Thread Gabe Menezes


 --
 HC notices to Govt. on erection of shacks
 ---
 
 The Panaji bench of Bombay High Court on Monday issued notice
 to the state government and others on a petition filed by Fomento
 Resorts and Hotels Limited to restrain the government from
 permitting erection of shacks at Vaiguinim beach.

It is right and proper that they should object, some one in the Govt. 
has screwed up badly!

Cheers,

Gabe Menezes



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[Goanet]Konkani Lessons in the GTA - Dinner celebration

2003-11-05 Thread Tim de Mello

A dinner was held at The Flaming Copper Pot Restaurant in Mississauga on
October 17 to celebrate the successful conclusion of the first phase of
sixteen two hour weekly Konkani lessons in the GTA. Most of the fourteen
students who completed the course attended. As usual, the food and the
ambience was excellent and complemented by just as good service. The new
proprietor, Mr. Felix D'Souza (an Anjuncar, I am proud to say) has
maintained the standard set by Mr. Gerry Gomes.

The occasion was also used as a debriefing session in order to asses what
worked well and what areas could be improved upon. The following is a
summary of the points discussed.

1. Most felt that the best feature of the classes was the social and
convivial atmosphere of the classes. "We were amongst friends and had a lot
of fun" said Corrine.

2. The break after the first hour of the two hour session was felt to be
too long and the snacks tended to get more elaborate as the weekly classes
progressed. In future, the break would be no more than 10 minutes with just
cookies and water offered.

3. Another suggestion was to separate the class into two groups -
Beginners, i.e. those who are being introduced to the language for the first
time and Intermediate, i.e. those who have some knowledge of the language.
This way the lessons can be focussed appropriately.

4. The classes were originally meant to focus on "colloquial Konkani".
However, this was not the case as it was felt that written and read Konkani
would be more beneficial to the learning process. This proved to be more
academic than practical and also more difficult than anticipated -
particularly as there is no standard way to spell (or pronounce) Konkani in
Roman script. One suggestion was to devote more time for students to
appreciate the nuances of Indian sounds as defined by the Devanagri script.
This did not find a lot a favour with the group as this would be difficult
for the uninitiated. Another suggestion was that the classes in the future
concentrate on short and simple spoken Konkani phrases and sentences and
dispense with the reading and writing part. This way, the students will be
better equipped to use what they learned in a practical way.

Post meeting note: In my discussions about our Konkani lessons with an
associate of the Goan Konkani Troupe, the last point of "short and simple
Konkani phrases . . ." was supported and reinforced by him saying that the
students should be immersed into a Konkani speaking session where no English
is spoken except by the tutor.

The next session of classes is planned for the fall of 2004.

Stay tuned.

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[Goanet]Goa's next patron saint,& G.O.A. (U.K.).

2003-11-05 Thread Gabe Menezes

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:48 AM
Subject: [Goanet]Goa's next patron saint

>
> For a saint, I think I am extremely handsome and sexy
> - definitely far better looking than that stiff who
> occupies that casket in Old Goa. As an inspiration to
> all the oppressed Goan women, I humbly request that my
> scantily covered body(*) is put on display at Goa's
> main gambling dens, Bania brothels and other popular
> centers of vice. I expect my body to be on display
> 24x7x666 as opposed to that guy in Old Goa who only
> dares show his ugly face every 10 years.

RESPONSE: I have seen your photograph and you look like two pieces of plank
stuck together. A fatwa should be issued and you should be sorted out
immediately. The G.O.A. (U.K.) are celebrating the feast of St. Francis
Xavier in December - perhaps you should advise them according to your
beliefs.

On another matter, your take up for the G.O.A. (U.K.). that they have legal
advice is all lies. I have asked the Goan Association U.K. to furnish me
with a copy of the advice.
They have not even had the courtesy to acknowledge my email letter. There is
no legal advice, at least not in writing and one which will stand up to
scrutiny.

Cheers,

Gabe Menezes

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Re: [Goanet]Goa's next patron saint

2003-11-05 Thread Tariq Siddiqui


--- Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My dear Goans,
> 
> It is with great honor, dignity and respect that I
> accept your unanimous nomination as Goa's next patron
> saint.
> 
> When I die and burn in hell, I will intercede with the
> powers that lie beneath to ensure that each and every
> one of your starving souls is provided with bountiful
> quantities of fatty Goa sausages and quenched with
> feni enhanced with Zuari Petrochemical runoff.
> 
> For a saint, I think I am extremely handsome and sexy
> - definitely far better looking than that stiff who
> occupies that casket in Old Goa. As an inspiration to
> all the oppressed Goan women, I humbly request that my
> scantily covered body(*) is put on display at Goa's
> main gambling dens, Bania brothels and other popular
> centers of vice. I expect my body to be on display
> 24x7x666 as opposed to that guy in Old Goa who only
> dares show his ugly face every 10 years. 
> 
> My saintly credentials are impeccable. My missionary
> travails around the world have forced me to hurl
> verbal abuses in so many languages that even the
> multi-lingual Pope would have difficulty keeping up. 
> I have demonstrated time and time again in various
> dark street alleys of my magical ability to convert
> red wine to yellow water. Clearly, no nuclear
> scientist can match my ability to transmutate
> elements.   Also in keeping with the present
> environmental times, I have shown my keen ability to
> generate vast amounts of fiery methane with only
> modest consumption of legumes and dairy products, thus
> laying to waste the fundamental laws of
> thermodynamics.
> 
> I am clearly the saint for the times.
> 
> Your humble saint,
> Marlon
> 
> (*) No peeking please. Unlike that chap on the cross,
> I will not have any underwear underneath my kashti.


Marlon,

I am sorry but you cannot qualify as a saint because:

1. You do not have powers to grant a 'son' to couples.
2. You cannot magically make us rich.

Therefore, you have been disqualified as a saint. 

You application will remain on file for a period of six months during which you may
be considered for any opening, including the position of Satan, should it get
vacant.

-Tariq


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[Goanet]Ven Fr Agnelo - Platinum Jubilee - November 22, 2003

2003-11-05 Thread Armande Condillac

This invitation is members of Goanet and their links.

Armande



Fr. Agnelo Devotion Center
Rockville, Maryland
Invites you to Come and Celebrate the
Third Annual Mass and Platinum Jubilee
of the 75th Death Anniversary of Our
Venerable Fr. Agnelo DeSouza
Of Goa, India
On Saturday November 22, 2003
At 1:00 p.m. at
St. Catherine Laboure Church
11801 Claridge Road
Wheaton, MD 20902
Followed by a Reception at:
Wheaton-Claridge Recreation Center
one block from the Church
At 11901 Claridge Road
Directions: From Capital Beltway I- 495 take MD 97/Georgia Avenue Exit 31 
towards Wheaton, move onto left lane. Go about 1.5 miles and veer left onto
MD 586/Veirs Mill Road.  Go about 1.5 miles and the Church is on the right
at the corner of Veirs Mill Road and Claridge Road.

For information contact:
Armande Condillac   (301) 927-4648  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Agnelo Gonsalves(301) 924-2100  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Goanet]Christianity's Similarities with Hinduism

2003-11-05 Thread Tariq Siddiqui

--- Lawrie D'souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christianity's Similarities with Hinduism

> French historian Alain Danielou had noticed as early
> as 1950 that "a great number of events which surround
> the birth of Christ-as it is related in the
> Gospels-strangely reminded us of Buddha's and
> Krishna's legends." Danielou quotes as examples the
> structure of the Christian Church, which resembles
> that of the Buddhist Chaitya; the rigorous asceticism
> of certain early Christian sects, which reminds one of
> the asceticism of Jain and Buddhist saints; the
> veneration of relics, the usage of holy water, which
> is an Indian practice, and the word "Amen," which
> comes from the Hindu (Sanskrit) "OM." 

Gee...even the Bantus in Africa venerate relics and use holy water.
Are their practices derived from India as well?

What next? Since all humans shit everyday, is that derived from India as well?

>Another
> historian, Belgium's Konraad Elst, also remarks "that

Please! Konraad Elst (and the other Hindutva hack David Frawley)
are no historians by any stretch of the imagination. They are
pure propagandists who believe in the gospel: "Repeat a lie
a thousand times and it becomes the truth"

-Tariq

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[Goanet]Goa Sudharop: E-Book on Goan women

2003-11-05 Thread George Pinto

>From Goa Sudharop, www.goasudharop.org

Goa Sudharop Community Development Inc. recognizes the crucial and vital role played 
by Goan women
in the development and sustenance of Goan society and their tremendous contributions.  
They have
not always received their just recognition.  International Goan Women's Appreciation 
Day is being
celebrated on Sunday, November 16, 2003 in their honour.

To commemorate the occasion, an e-Book featuring Goan women achievers from all over 
world, in
different spheres of human endeavour, will be released on that day. It will be 
available for
download, free of cost, on the organization's website at http://www.goasudharop.org.

Please email the biodata of Goan women who have excelled in their chosen field/career, 
or as
volunteers to various causes, including their achievements and their ancestral village 
in Goa, to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] by November 10, 2003. Responses received after that date will be 
included in
an updated version to be released in 2004.

Each submission cannot exceed 150 words in total.  The decision of the editorial team 
of Goa
Sudharop is final with respect to any matters pertaining to this E-book.  The E-book 
is not meant
to be a scholarly, researched or complete survey of significant contributions of Goan 
women. It is
meant to be a start to enable the continued recognition and appreciation of Goan women.




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Fw: [Goanet]Konkani Song

2003-11-05 Thread simon carvalho

Hi Cypriano

Thank you so much for the information.  I was a bit confused and could not
remember
the actors/singers of this beautiful song.  Could you send me all the lyrics
if you have.

Thanks

Marvin




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From: "ACC GENERAL - CYPRIANO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:53 AM
Subject: FW: [Goanet]Konkani Song




Hi Simon,

This duet is sung by C. Alvares & Ophelia.  It's on a Hindi tune (old film)

Sang Nanda oxim kiteak tum golloitai dukham,
Konnem kitem mhunttlam tuka
Roddumnaka tum sang mhaka.

Premachi kobor konnem tori ghari sangli tankam
Dada mhunntta login zaunaka
Sang hanv kitem korum atam.

Tujea ghorcheank khoxi nam tor loguin forsan zaumchem nhoi
Koso visrum Sunil tuka prem tuzo kitlo kortam poi
Chol Sunil chol hea ami hem ghor soddun Mumbai
Mojean ghor soddunk zainam moji matari assa avoi, moji matari asa avoi, moji
matari asa avoi.

Login zaupachi tuka oi nam mista khoxi
Dhekun tum modd ghaltai oxi
Nanda sozmonni nhoi toxi.

Best regards,
Cypriano Fernandes (Riyadh, KSA)


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From: Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet]Konkani Song


On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:24:35 +0530, SIMON CARVALHO
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Could anyone tell me whose song is this or who sang it?

Sang Nanda kiteak tum golloitai dukam
Konnem kitem mhunttlem tuka
Roddumnaka tum sang mhaka.

Premachi kobor konnem tori sangli tankam
Dada mhunntta login zaunaka
Sang hanv kitem korum atam.






Tujea ghorcheank khoxi nam zalear login forsan zauchim nhoim
. forgot this line
..
..

Login zaupachi tuka nam mista khoxi
Dhekun tum modd ghaltai oxi
Nanda sozmonni nhoi toxi.

Rest is forgotten..

Marvin

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[Goanet]Sports News: Salgaocar, Mahindra in semis

2003-11-05 Thread Eustaquio Santimano

Salgaocar, Mahindra in semis
November 05, 2003 19:57 IST
Veteran striker I M Vijayan played perhaps his last match at the 
Ambedkar stadium as his team JCT drew goalless with Mahindra United and 
bowed out of the Durand Cup football tournament in Delhi on Wednesday.

Earlier in the day, Salgaocar defeated crowd favourites Mohammedan 
Sporting 2-0 to advance to the semi-final as Group C winners.

Mahindra edged out the Punjab team on better goal difference in Group A 
and qualified for the semi-finals, where they will meet Salgaocar n Friday.

Going into today's match after a 1-1 draw against TFA XI in their first 
match, Mohammedan Sporting had to win to advance, but faded away after 
holding the Goans goalless almost till the hour mark.

The Goans scored through Dharamjit Singh (59th minute) and Nigerian 
Felix Ibrebru (73rd minute) to advance.

Mahindra were clearly better than JCT though the 36-year-old Vijayan, 
who announced his retirement from national team after winning the 
Afro-Asian Games silver medal in Hyderabad last week, went close to 
scoring more than once. But the lanky striker was not in the best of 
form and was closely marked by Peter Siddiqui.

Unable to do much in the first-half, Vijayan, however, had a better 
second session. Immediately after coach Sukhwinder Singh changed 
Vijayan's striking partner in the 58th minute, replacing Harbinder Singh 
with Charanjeet Singh, Vijayan put the substitute through with a deft 
back heel but Charanjeet managed only a weak shot from inside the box.

In the 22nd minute of the second-half, Vijayan almost troubled the 
scorers by getting into position at the top of the box. However, his 
powerful right- footer was parried away by Mahindra 'keeper Naseem Akhtar.

Soon he earned a free-kick after the referee pulled up Siddiqi for an 
untidy challenge. Substitute Rampal's kick went to Charanjeet, who only 
managed to effect a weak header.

Vijayan had another chance ten minutes before the end of the match, 
which came in the form of a free-kick, but he only managed to shoot over 
the bar following a minute-long drama which saw the Mahindra wall moving 
before the referee's whistle, leading to an yellow card to Sidiqqi.

As the match grinded towards the final whistle, Charanjeet went up 
skillfully through the right and sent in a piercing cross that ran 
across the goalmouth with Vijayan a couple of yards in front of the ball.

Compared to JCT's forward line Mahindra strikers, Raphael Patron and 
Abhishek Yadav, had more pace and constantly troubled the JCT defence. 
But for goalkeeper Mansuru Mohammed's superb performance, the Mumbai 
team would have comfortably won the match. Felix Aboagye, who repalced 
Yadav in the second half, also threatened but failed to score.

Salgaocar and Mohammedan Sporting ended the first-half on even terms but 
the Goans were clearly the better team in the last 45 minutes, which 
began with a combined move down the middle by Dharamjit Singh, Tomba 
Singh and Ibrebru. The trio neatly evaded the offside trap and went 
inside only to miss due to poor finishing.

Salgaocar's first goal resulted following a combined move by Tomba Singh 
and Dharamjit that resulted in a corner-kick immediately after a free-kick.

Tomba floated in the ball to Dharamjit , who gave a slip to his marker 
and slotted home.

Both teams then brought in fresh legs, with Salgaocar calling up Samson 
Singh in place of F Mascarenhas and Sporting replacing Abdul Rauf Khan 
with Zahir Abbas.

By this time, Salgaocar began to control the midfield and allowed 
Sporting hardly any possession.

The second goal resulted after a passing bout near the centre circle. 
The ball was relayed to Tomba, who advanced into the rival box and found 
Ibrebru with a precise pass. The Nigerian side-stepped the defence and 
fired home before leaping up with joy.

It was a sweet moment for Ibrebru, who was kept quiet till then by the 
Sporting defenders, especially Mahab Das.

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Re: [Goanet]Mother Teresa's Saintly Companions

2003-11-05 Thread Tariq Siddiqui


--- peu De <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mr Larie D Souza are you a frustrated peson with no other work only idle 
> gossip or an idle mind which is the devil's workshop? Or trying to say to 
> the world that you too are a member of the fanatics group. Or are you trying 
> to cover up your family frustrations?Please pray and contemplate on making 
> good in society or helping to ease the problems of the poor and sufering and 
> not set fire or poison to the already politically murderous and wicked 
> religious fanatics of today who in the name of religion so the seeds of 
> discord or hatred in this world of today.I think goanet should discourage 
> scorpions of this sort and use it for better enlightenment of the society on 
> more important subjects or issues or knowledge or in bridging political 
> ,religious or social gaps Otherwise goanet will help in enhencing the war 
> race politically and religiously and socially too.From a reader

"Virgy59" likes to use the word "frustrated" a lot.:)

-Tariq


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[Goanet]Sports News: Bhutia slams cramped Durand schedule

2003-11-05 Thread Eustaquio Santimano

Bhutia slams cramped Durand schedule
November 05, 2003 16:02 IST
India football captain Baichung Bhutia hit out at the organizers of the 
Durand Cup, saying there is no use holding the tournament just for the 
sake of it.

"It is the second oldest tournament in the world and it should be 
organised in a better way. It should be more lengthy and more organised.

"It has to have some interest. There is no use organizing it just for 
the sake of it," Bhutia said, slamming the cramped schedule that packs 
15 matches in 10 days with 12 teams in the fray.

Bhutia was also critical of the All India Football Federation's football 
calendar, which gives players no respite.

Last week the football ace was in Hyderabad doing national duty at the 
Afro-Asian Games, where he led India to the silver medal. India lost to 
Uzbekistan 0-1 in the final.

On Sunday he played in the Kolkata League play-off against Mohun Bagan 
before rushing to play in Delhi for East Bengal in the 116th Durand Cup.

He also expressed unhappiness about the treatment being meted out to 
players at the Durand Cup.

"They should provide proper infrastructure and facilities for the 
players to practice and also proper transport for them to go for play 
and practice," Bhutia said after helping East Bengal beat Indian Bank in 
their opening fixture of the tournament on Tuesday.

He said the Indian Army, which conducts the tournament, must work 
closely with the All India Football Federation and organise the 
tournament better.

"Look at the FA Cup of England [the oldest football tournament]. Where 
it started and where it has reached," Bhutia said, comparing the oldest 
and second oldest tournaments in the world.

"It is high time that people did some thing to change," he said.

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Re: [Goanet]Christianity's Similarities with Hinduism

2003-11-05 Thread Gregory Gomes

Dear Brothers/sisters,

There is only one God and definetly there is only one
truth and that truth is Christ Jesus, who was existing
at the time of creation (Jesus said I am the first and
the last "Alpha and Omega". 

One can say this only if he/she is not aware about the
truth (that is the Word of God - BIBLE).

I pray that you will read the Bible which will set you
free, and one can have salvation ONLY THROUGH JESUS
who is there to come for the second time.

Gregory Gomes  

--- Lawrie D'souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christianity's Similarities with Hinduism
> 
> November 2, 2003, 4:29 am
> 
> Stephen Knapp
> http://www.stephen-knapp.com
> 
> You may find it surprising that much of Christianity
> originated from India. Indeed, over the centuries,
> numerous historians and sages have pointed out that
> not only has Hinduism had a predominant influence on
> Christianity, but that many of the Christian rites
> could be directly borrowed from Hindu (Vedic) India.
> 
> French historian Alain Danielou had noticed as early
> as 1950 that "a great number of events which
> surround
> the birth of Christ-as it is related in the
> Gospels-strangely reminded us of Buddha's and
> Krishna's legends." Danielou quotes as examples the
> structure of the Christian Church, which resembles
> that of the Buddhist Chaitya; the rigorous
> asceticism
> of certain early Christian sects, which reminds one
> of
> the asceticism of Jain and Buddhist saints; the
> veneration of relics, the usage of holy water, which
> is an Indian practice, and the word "Amen," which
> comes from the Hindu (Sanskrit) "OM." Another
> historian, Belgium's Konraad Elst, also remarks
> "that
> many early Christian saints, such as Hippolytus of
> Rome, possessed an intimate knowledge of
> Brahmanism."
> Elst even quotes the famous Saint Augustine who
> wrote:
> "We never cease to look towards India, where many
> things are proposed to our admiration."
> Unfortunately,
> remarks American Indianist David Frawley, "from the
> second century onwards, Christian leaders decided to
> break away from the Hindu influence and show that
> Christianity only started with the birth of Christ."
> Hence, many later saints began branding Brahmins as
> "heretics," and Saint Gregory set a future trend by
> publicly destroying the "pagan" idols of the Hindus.
> 
> Great Indian sages, such as Sri Aurobindu and Sri
> Ravi
> Shankar, the founder of the Art of Living, have
> often
> remarked that the stories recounting how Jesus came
> to
> India to be initiated are probably true. Sri Ravi
> Shankar notes, for instance, that Jesus sometimes
> wore
> an orange robe, the Hindu symbol of renunciation of
> the world, which was not a usual practice in
> Judaism.
> "In the same way," he continues, "the worshiping of
> Virgin Mary in Catholicism is probably borrowed from
> the Hindu cult of Devi." Bells too, which cannot be
> found today in Synagogues, the surviving form of
> Judaism, are used in church-and we all know their
> importance in Buddhism and Hinduism for thousands of
> years, even up to the present day. There are many
> other similarities between Hinduism and
> Christianity,
> including the use of incense, sacred bread
> (prasadam),
> the different altars around churches (which recall
> the
> manifold deities in their niches inside Hindu
> temples), reciting prayers on the rosary (Vedic
> japamala), the Christian Trinity (the ancient Vedic
> trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva as the creator,
> maintainer and destroyer respectively, as well as
> Lord
> Krishna as the Supreme Lord, the all-pervading
> Brahman
> as the holy ghost, and Paramatma as the expansion or
> son of the Lord), Christian processions, and the use
> of the sign of the cross (anganyasa), and so many
> others.
> 
> In fact, Hinduism's pervading influence seems to go
> much earlier than Christianity. American
> mathematician, A. Seindenberg, has, for example,
> shown
> that the Shulbasutras, the ancient Vedic science of
> mathematics, constitute the source of mathematics in
> the antique world of Babylon to Greece: "The
> arithmetic equations of the Shulbasutras were used
> in
> the observation of the triangle by the Babylonians
> as
> well as in the edification of Egyptian pyramids, in
> particular the funeral altar in the form of pyramid
> known in the Vedic world as smasana-cit."
> 
> In astronomy too, the "Indus" (from the valley of
> the
> Indus) have left a universal legacy, determining for
> instance the dates of solstices, as noted by 18th
> century French astronomer Jean Sylvain Bailly: "The
> movement of stars which was calculated by Hindus
> 4,500
> years ago, does not differ even by a minute from the
> tables which we are using today." And he concludes:
> "The Hindu systems of astronomy are much more
> ancient
> than those of the Egyptians-even the Jews derive
> from
> the Hindus their knowledge." There is also no doubt
> that the Greeks heavily borrowed from the "Indus."
> Danielou notes t

[Goanet]Re: Goa's next patron saint

2003-11-05 Thread Cecil Pinto

Marlon Menezes wrote:

[My dear Goans,
It is with great honor, dignity and respect that I
accept your unanimous nomination as Goa's next patron
saint.]
[ Also in keeping with the present
environmental times, I have shown my keen ability to
generate vast amounts of fiery methane with only
modest consumption of legumes and dairy products, thus
laying to waste the fundamental laws of
thermodynamics.]
[Your humble saint,
Marlon]


By the power vested in me by my vestments and my investments, I hereby 
declare Saint Marlon cannonised, beatified and dietified. Everybody kneel 
down. Yes, you too Miguel. Now!!

Hereinafter Marlon Menezes will be referred to as Saint Marlon The Most 
Holy Saint of Flatulence, in keeping with his explicitly stated powers.

What was that?
He's not a Goan? Of course he's a Goan? For chrissake! He owns GoaCom!!
USA? So what? He's still a Goan.

Huh? Dias? Not Dias! Menezes!

Oh!! Bias! Speak louder next time.
What bias? We are not biased!!
Goans from Goa should be given preference  as compared to Goans settled 
abroad? Why on earth? Marlon's supporters gave us $2 million. What are you 
guys offering? Ladins and novenas? Think that counts up here?

Miracle? How many more miracles you want? Don't you read the postings on 
GoaNet?

Next question!! I got just five minutes for this Press Conference!

Cecil the Beatific Cannoniser

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FW: [Goanet]Playing with FIRE

2003-11-05 Thread ACC GENERAL - CYPRIANO



Hi Seby,

Performing 'Sati" has been abolished long time back by Raja Ram Mohan Roy if I am not 
mistaken.  I don't think it is still existing.
But setting fire to daughter in laws nowadays for want of dowry and then changing the 
whole scene as an accident, I can fully
agree with.  

Even in their marriages "Muhurt" - the couple take rounds by keeping "agni" fire in 
the middle while their Bhattji saying those mantras, which is a common scene in a 
Hindi movie.  Is it "Agni Sakshi"?

Cypriano (Riyadh, KSA)

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From: Seb dc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet]Playing with FIRE



Another one Alphonso, They create Sati; jumping into the FIRE after her
husbands death! But is it a practice still???

- Seb

>
>I was watching the closing ceremony of the just concluded Afro-Asian
>Games-2003 at Hydreabad, last weekend.
>And the conclusion I came to is 'India is the only country that plays with
>FIRE'.
>The closing function started with the Mashal Dance which had hundreds of
>young & old dancing at the stadium to a rhythmic beats. Some had fire in
the
>hands, some had it on their heads and some were blowing fire from mouths.
>
>Besides these games... India does play with fire.
>They burn wives for dowry.
>They burn brothers in the name of Religion.
>At the end of any cricket game -you'll see burning of Cards/plastic bottles
>in the stadiums.
>And then, (Sacred ?) fire for the final rituals of a dead body.
>Any more could be added by you (let the list grow) !!
>
>Besides the fire ...i.e. Pakistan, India indeed plays with fire!!
>
>- Alfonso Bond Braganza
>   Mapusa Goa.
>
>



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[Goanet]State award to aldonkar Alfred Rose.

Dear Veronica,

You have rightly pointed out that Tomazinho Cardoz could have moved matters
while he was the Speaker of Goa Assembly...and Alfi was alive. So could
Pratapsingh Raoji Rane[ many times the CM of Goa and chairman of Kala
Academy], Churchil Alemao[ex-CM who only speaks Konkani...even in the
parliament...and had a translator appointed  for Konkani in the Lok
Sabha],Luis Proto Barbosa,Francisco Sardinha,Ravi Naik,etc. During
Bandodkar's time Alfi was no great shake and Shashikala can be excused as
she is a Marathiwadi. What about others before Parrikar?

" Three countries in which Homer begged;
Fought over the legacy of Homer dead."

Goa wants to honour him. May be Mumbai will do likewise. Perhaps he will get
the Bharat Ratna if his name can get votes in Mangalore or NRI votes
anywhere.C'est la vie,n'est pas? Like it or lump it.

Any living tiatrists being considered for the state award now or do we wait
for their death as in 'sainthood'?
Viva Goa.



> From: "A. Veronica Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:50:22 +
> Subject: [Goanet]GOA STATE AWARD TO ALFRED ROSE
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> GOA STATE AWARD TO ALFRED ROSE
Soon after the death of Alfred  Rose, chief Minister of Goa Mr. Parrikar
announced thru his Master's Voice  Tomazinho Cardoso that Goa Government
will confer on late Alfred Rose
> phostumously the Goa Stage Award for his meritorious services in the field
of Tiatro.  Shame on you Parrikar for announcing this gift to Alfi after his
death.  Doubly shame on you Parrikar to confess that for so long you were
not aware of the criteria followed in granting this award to the tiatrists.
Only the Goa based tiatrists are given this award while Goan tiatrists based
outside Goa are made ineligible for this award because according to the
criteria to be eligible for this award one has to be a domicile of Goa
 (minimum 10 years continuously?).

> I am the first person to be happy over the decision of granting Alfred
Rose
> phostumously this award, but I would be still more happy if it was granted
> to him while he was alive.   Parrikar is communal while  Alfred Rose was
not.
>
These are the tiatrists who hampered the growth of Konkani  tiatro, their
motto is "apun apleak ani Dev somestank."anim "  Mojem sadlea puro,
dusreanchem poddonk padd". Tomazinho Cardoso is a  shameless politician
though very good tiatrist.  For a full one tenure of  Goa Legislative
Assembly Tomazinho Cardoso held the post of Speaker which  wielded lot of
clout but inspite of being so what did he do for this  particular cause?
Now shedding crockodile tears to fool the people.  The enemy of tiatrists is
none other than tiatrists  only.

Goa Government must also think of those other Bombay settled great
> tiatrists such as the late C. Alvares and others who are also deserving
> candidates for this Award.  They should not be ignored.  A few years back
> Konkani Heritage Kuwait honoured Prince Jacob in one of the city hotels in
> the presence of elite Goans for his enormous contribution in the
development
> of Konkani Stage.  >
> A. Veronica Fernandes,
> Kuwait.



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[Goanet]Fw: BMX meet at St.Britto HS

Mea culpa. here it goes again...in plain text.
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BMX group begins formal interaction for World BMX meet
in July 2004 at Toronto-Canada.

It was 'back to school' for Britto boys who passed out from St.Britto HS in
the late 1960s and the 1970s. What more could they have asked for but to
have St. Mary's girls to share a class room with them. It would have been an
earth-shaking experience had it happened in their school days. At this
meeting it was just a hand shake or an ocassional peck on the cheek. The
group recalled the school days while looking forward to a grand reunion at
the end of July,2004, in Toronto Canada.

The idea of  BMX, an association of all ex-students of Britto's, Mary's and
Xavier's---the BMXers  was born in a restaurant in Toronto when Lucindo
Faria from Morod-Mapusa was talking with ex-Britto boys settled down in
Canada. Obviously, quite a few of them are married to Ex-St.Mary's Convent
girls and ,often, both of them had studied in St.Xavier's College,Mapusa. So
BMX was an unifying factor for
Mapshemkars,Saligaokars,Parrikars,Aldonkars,Moidekars,Asnodkars,Revodkars,Si
olkars,Anjunkars,Arporkars,Calangutkars and the others, with or without
cars! Even students of New Goa High School[Amonkar's],SFX HS[Peddem],Sacred
Heart[Parra] and other nearby schools get included through their association
with St.Xavier's College,Mapusa, which celebrates it Ruby anniversary this
year.

A meeting was convened by Lucindo Faria  at St.Britto High School on Sunday
the 2nd November,2003 at 11.00 hours to discuss the plans for a grand
reunion in Canada in July 2004. Ralph [Ralfy] had flown in from Toronto to
present the Canadian view of the event.Visa's, travel,local travel,stay and
interactions have to be organized. This was discussed thread bare. One of
the BMXers present was Ralph de Souza of the deSouza Group, which includes
the Trans-Orient travel agency, He has offered to arrange air tickets
without charging the agent's commission and getting the best package deals
from the airlines. The BMXers in Canada need to help with the Visas for the
others, specially the first time visitors to Canada in the post 9/11
scenario. The interaction will continue.

For details please contact Lucindo Faria at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Viva BMX

Miguel Braganza


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[Goanet]Kenya born, Toronto novelist, M.G. Vassanji, becomes first repeat winner of Giller prize -His book set in colonial Kenya in the 1950s

2003-11-05 Thread John J. D'Souza

Nov. 5, 2003. 01:00 AM

CHARLA JONES/TORONTO STAR
Toronto novelist M.G. Vassanji emerges triumphant last night at the Giller
gala: "This time it's obviously a mistake," he joked.

Vassanji wins 2nd Giller
Toronto novelist becomes first repeat winner His book set in colonial Kenya
in the 1950s

Toronto Star

JUDY STOFFMAN
PUBLISHING REPORTER

M.G. Vassanji became the first two-time winner of the Giller Prize for
Canadian literature last night for his novel, The In-Between World of Vikram
Lall.
"It felt like a mistake the first time, so this time it's obviously a
mistake," said Vassanji as he sheepishly accepted the award, which some
believed was a lock for either the higher-profile Margaret Atwood for her
novel Oryx and Crake, or Anne-Marie MacDonald for As the Crow Flies.
But the Giller, over its 10-year history, has produced surprises before. By
no means a lifetime achievement award or a further canonization of the
literary establishment, the Giller has also reached out to smaller press and
less known authors particularly in its nominations. In 2000, the prize was
shared by two authors, Michael Ondaatje and David Adams Richards.
The In-Between World of Vikram Lall, Vassanji's fifth novel, is the story of
Vic, an Indian-born Kenyan exiled to a small town on the shores of Lake
Ontario. From his Canadian vantage point, Vic reflects back on his life in
British-ruled Kenya, the complexities of his past, and the choices that
shaped his life.
Bruce Westwood, Vassanji's agent, said he had already made a couple of
foreign deals for the book. "Sonny Mehta of Knopf (in New York) started the
book on Sunday, cancelled his lunch appointment Monday (to keep reading),
cancelled his dentist appointment Tuesday, and on Wednesday made a
pre-emptive offer high enough so we can't deal with any other publisher," he
said.
The book has also been sold to Cannongate Publishing in the U.K. - the same
publisher that took Yann Martel's Life of Pi and helped make it into a
Booker Prize winner.
Vassanji, while perhaps not the pre-Giller favourite, is hardly an unknown
quantity. He won the inaugural Giller prize in 1994 for his novel The Book
Of Secrets. It helped vault his career to greater reknown.
While there are indeed older Canadian literary awards - not to mention
richer ones, like the Gelber and the Griffin prizes - none have excitement,
glitter and prestige of the 10-year-old, $25,000 Giller.
Maybe it's because the prize is delivered alongside an indulgent,
money-is-no-object affair that has become the highlight of the Canadian
literary community's year. But it is also embued with a deep personal
significance: As the Giller recognizes literary achievement, it also
commemorates a great love affair.
The $25,000 prize was founded by businessman Jack Rabinovitch as his Taj
Mahal, a monument to the memory of his late wife Doris Giller, who died of
cancer in 1993.

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[Goanet]MATHANY'S METANOIA ???

2003-11-05 Thread goasuraj

MATANHY CRITICAL OF BRO PLANS
(5TH NOVEMBER, 2003 (Page 3)
Gomantak Times News Service

Cortalim: Matanhy Saldanha, MLA of Cortalim, has said the Border Road
Organisation (BRO) has failed to keep up its promise to complete the road up
to the airport before 2 October.

Worse still it does not appear there is any planning to link the existing
village roads to the 4-lane National Highway 17B. People using the existing
highway are put to great hardship for the last three years.

Saldanha said that the road from Sancoale to St. Jacinto, linking to NH 17b
is presently in disarray due to increased height of the NH 17b. He has
demanded that the level of the existing road be raised in such a way, that
there should be a smooth flow of traffic from the existing St. Jacinto road
to NH 17b.

The delay in completion of the road is mainly caused due to the diversion of
alignment from the existing Zuarinagar road to the present site. It has not
only escalated cost but also caused difficulties giving BRO an excuse for
the delay.

Saldanha has called upon the BRO, Stup Consultants and PWD to immediately
build a service road or else the number of punctures on the existing 4-lane
highway will cause more accidents than ever before.

COMMENTS:

Nowhere else is the state of fragmentation and disarray in the UGDP
Legislature Party more apparent than that Mr. Mathany Saldanha, the sole
legislator of the UGDP ( the other two having split and formed their own
factions) is painted into a position of being the sole "CONSCIENTIOUS
OBJECTOR" to the ways of the ruling coalition, which Mathany has
consistently refused to join right from the time he was elected on the UGDP
ticket.

We commend his courageous stance and his fortitude in resisting the
trappings of office in the ruling coalition. Perhaps Mathany is begining to
express his suffocation.

Is this the sign of " MATHANY'S METANOIA (MATHANY'S CHANGE OF HEART) ?"
Only time will tell.

goasuraj



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Re: [Goanet]Sports News: East Bengal down Indian Bank 3-2

Dear Eustaquio,
I did send you a note of appreciation about your
coverage of the Games but it got returned because it
was stacked on top of your message, too long according
to the Goanet Admin. folks.
Anyway, it was all quite thrilling to read about the
events. the atmosphere etc.  You did a splendid job.
Thanks,
Filomena

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> November 04, 2003 19:39 IST
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Re: [Goanet]The saint business (Filomena Giese)

2003-11-05 Thread Gabe Menezes


- Original Message - 
From: "Evans Mendonca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:30 PM
Subject: [Goanet]The saint business (Filomena Giese)


> - Infallibility of the Pope

RESPONSE: the Pope is not infallible. He is infallible when he speaks ex
cathedra. Those who would have us believe that he is infallible in all that
he does are wrong.

Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.



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Re: [Goanet]Konkani Song

C. Alvares and Ophelia sang this song.

Domnic Fernandes
Dhahran, KSA

From: "Bosco - Goanet Volunteer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet]Konkani Song
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:48:01 -0800 (PST)
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:24:35 +0530, SIMON CARVALHO 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Could anyone tell me whose song is this or who sang it?

Sang Nanda kiteak tum golloitai dukam
Konnem kitem mhunttlem tuka
Roddumnaka tum sang mhaka.
Premachi kobor konnem tori sangli tankam
Dada mhunntta login zaunaka
Sang hanv kitem korum atam.
Tujea ghorcheank khoxi nam zalear login forsan zauchim nhoim
. forgot this line
..
..
Login zaupachi tuka nam mista khoxi
Dhekun tum modd ghaltai oxi
Nanda sozmonni nhoi toxi.
Rest is forgotten..

Marvin

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[Goanet]Sponsored Weddings - a good idea for Goa?

2003-11-05 Thread Cecil Pinto

Some couples who want to save thousands of dollars on their weddings are 
turning to sponsorships, NBC5's Amy Jacobson said in a special report.

Experts told Jacobson that couples wanting a sponsored wedding should 
target smaller companies who want to get their names and products out to a 
large crowd.

"Angelique and Richard Burnsman had a $10,000 wedding for free after 
winning a contest on a local radio station," Jacobson said. "The flowers, 
tuxedoes, cake and her signature dress were all paid for."

Without a contest winning, Jacobson said, the average couple has to endure 
much more to get a company to pay for their wedding.

Tony and Brandy Bizzieri, of Oak Lawn, Ill., told Jacobson they tried 
unsuccessfully to get sponsored but learned that it takes almost one year 
-- and plenty of legwork -- to line up the sponsors.

Another couple, Tom and Sabrina Anderson, told Jacobson they were more 
successful. They had a "dream wedding -- top of the line," they told 
Jacobson, even though most of it was paid for.

"Probably 80 percent of our wedding was sponsored," Tom Anderson said.

The food, the veil, and even the wedding bands were donated by local 
businesses, in return for advertising at the reception. Their invitations 
had a vendor's logo on the back of the card.

"We had a scroll at each place setting, with all the different sponsors," 
Sabrina Anderson said.

"We actually had T-shirts printed up with each vendor's logo on the back."

Tom Anderson published a book about sponsored weddings and now helps other 
couples, including Todd Weiss and Debbie Lay, who plan to marry in June.

Weiss told Jacobson that the search for sponsors is not an easy road.

"I actually got some negative comments from people, just saying that 'I 
can't believe you're doing this. If you can't afford a wedding, maybe you 
shouldn't get married,'" Weiss said. "I didn't realize that money was one 
of the big precursors of love."

But Weiss and Lay "have made finding sponsors an art form," Jacobson said. 
"Their main tool is the Internet."

Jacobson reviewed the results of their search for sponsors before 
explaining how they did it.

The reception hall -- normally $4,000 -- will cost them half that amount. 
Four microbrewery kegs -- normally $200 each -- will be free. The cake -- 
normally $500 -- will be free. The baker told Jacobson she saw it as an 
opportunity to get her name out in the community without gambling on 
expensive advertising. His titanium ring -- normally $1,000 -- will be 
free. The disc jockey, photographer and videographer -- a package worth 
$4,500 -- will be free.

"It kind of brings together a group of 100, 200 guests, and sponsors 
present the best that they have to offer," Weiss said.

Weiss and Lay told Jacobson the steps they took to acquire the sponsorships.

The couple solicited from all over the county. The couple sent out 
information packets. The couple set up a Web site and posted sponsors' 
names on it.

By using the Internet, the couple told Jacobson, they avoided large banners 
at their wedding. "We're not going to have big banners or anything like 
that. It's a little placard here, a little placard there," Weiss said. 
"We're having a little slide presentation of pictures of us. As the credits 
roll, it will be credits for the sponsors."

Weiss and Lay have already saved $15,000 for their upcoming wedding and are 
now looking for a sponsored honeymoon package.

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Source
http://www.nbc5.com/nbc5/2602609/detail.html
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More info
http://www.sponsoredwedding.com/
Sample webpage
http://ardmore.cambria.com/weiss/
Cecil Pinto Trivia Service

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[Goanet]RECOGNITION OF GOAN STAGE ACTRESSES/SINGERS OF YESTER YEARS

Just as I wrote yesterday about the famous male quintet of the late 
sixties/early seventies, there were also main female actresses/singers who 
entertained the Konkani speaking masses in Goa, Bombay and abroad through 
their participation in tiatros.  They were, to name a few, Shalini, 
Filomena, Ophelia, Antonette, Betty Fernandes, Betty Naz and Jessie Dias.  
These females are based in Bombay except for Jessie Dias and Mary Vaz who 
reside in Goa.  All of these females have done a great service to Goan stage 
and culture, which cannot be repaid in any form.  Nevertheless, it would be 
great if all of them were recognized in some way or another.

And, of course, there are many more that rose to fame in later years.  Let 
us keep in mind that we are talking of only Tiatros at this point and not 
Khell-Tiatros, which actually, ultimately overpowered and overtook the 
former (thanks to late Rosario Rodrigues for the introduction of Non-Stop 
Khell-Tiatro on stage), but that does not mean that we should forget the old 
and patronize only the new.  They too will get their turn when the time is 
ripe, and make them eligible for recognition.  What we are trying to do now 
is to convey a message to the Goa government so that a system is devised 
whereby all of our actors and actresses, writers and directors, whether old 
or new, would be eligible for recognition by the Goa government without any 
prerequisites (certificate of permanent residence in Goa) as introduced by 
todays wise, leading politicians in Goa.

Here we have another rather tricky issue pertaining to one of the above 
actresses  Betty Naz.  During the above-cited period (late sixties/early 
seventies), the famous male quintet I wrote about yesterday split for some 
reason, and the usual dirty term Tem/to aslear, aum/ami nachonant began 
playing major role.  C. Alvares did not agree with the term.  So, he walked 
out of the group and joined other artistes like Bab Peter, Joe Rose, Rico 
Rod, Seby Coutinho, etc. In the process, Ophelia and Jessie Dias also joined 
him.  Thus, there was a shortage of female actresses in the original group 
and this is where Betty Naz filled in.  Being a Mangalorean, Betty initially 
had a little problem with Goan dialect but she quickly made up for the 
deficiency and went on to become one of the finest actresses and singers of 
the Goan stage.  She has been in the limelight of Goan stage for over three 
decades and has won the praise and admiration of the public in Goa, Bombay 
and abroad.  However, she is neither a Goan by birth nor does she have a 
residence in Goa.  So, where does she fit?  Can she ever hope to be 
recognized by the Goa government for her contribution to Goan stage/culture?

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[Goanet-news]06 NOV 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS

GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
06 Nov 2003

GOA HIT BY POWER FAILURE: A suspected fault in the Maharashtra State
Electricity Board system led to a power failure for more than three hours in
large parts of Maharashtra and some areas of neighbouring Goa and Gujarat
yesterday. The power supply was disrupted between 10.40 am and 4.30 pm.

KAMAT WARNS OF POWER SHORTAGE: Power Minister Digambar Kamat said that for
the past 46 days, some disturbances were observed in the power supply to the
State due to the closing down of the western grid Corba unit. Mr Kamat also
informed that the Ramagundam power generation unit in the southern grid has
been shut down for maintenance from November 4 and would remain so for the
next 25 days. "This may cause some hardships to the power consumers in the
State. However, the electricity department is making efforts to see that the
domestic power supply is maintained, he observed. (NT)

PASSENGERS HURT IN ACID ATTACK: At least nine passengers were injured by
acid from a bottle which was accidentally smashed in a fight between drivers
of two mini buses at the KTC bus stand in Curchorem yesterday. The fight
broke out after a collision between mini-buses 'Olgita' and 'Vailankani'.
(GT)

FOOD POISONING KILLS LABOURER: One labourer died and four were reported to
be in a serious condition as a result of food poisoning yesterday. The five
were working for the Border Road Organisation which is constructing the
four-lane highway between Verna and Mormugao Port Trust Harbour. (GT)

OLD GMC COMPLEX TO HOUSE IFFI OFFICE: The International Film Festival of
India office will be set up in the Goa Medical College old premises at
Campal in Panjim at 6 pm today (November 6), while an advertisement for
recruitment of staff has already been issued. (GT)

'CLUB CLASS' BRINGS HIGH SPENDING TOURISTS: Starting this year, airlines
operating out of Europe have introduced a new 'Club Class' section for high
spending passengers. By doing so, the charter companies have effectively
eaten into the shares of economy or 'cattle class' seats and raised the
standard of Goa, as a holiday destination. Speaking to GT, De Souza Group
chairman and Travel and Tourism Association of Goa vice president, Ralph de
Souza explained. (GT)

ILLEGAL SHACKS MUSHROOM: The State government has permitted around 75 shacks
in the coastal belt of Anjuna, Baga, Calangute and Candolim. But another
30-40 shacks have mushroomed illegally at every open space and more people
are likely to follow suit. The Tourism department authorities are finding it
difficult to take action as those who have put up shacks illegally claim
that they have been permitted by their political masters. (NT)

ILLEGAL CONSTRUCTIONS AT AGONDA: Illegal constructions have been sprouting
on the Agonda coastal belt, Canacona, in total violation of the Coastal
Regulation Zone. Work on five projects is in progress and they are being
built just 50 to 60 meters from the High Tide Line. (GT)

STATE RE-SURVEY: At last, the re-survey of the State of Goa seems set for a
take-off after a delay of more than a year. The land survey (a Rs.7.8-crore
project) will commence on December 1 in Panjim. "It will be a highly
comprehensive and development-oriented survey," Director of Settlement and
Land Records, Mihir Vardhan told Herald. (H)

AFTER A TANKER TURNED TURTLE: It was an unusual sight when scores of people
began rushing with cans, buckets and bottles towards a gutter near the
Kundil factory at Kundaim on Wednesday morning. People made a desperate bid
to collect kerosene which was flowing into a gutter, after a tanker carrying
kerosene turned turtle at Kundaim, when the driver lost control of the
vehicle. (H)

FISHERWOMAN BITES CCP WORKER: A Corporation of the City of Panaji worker was
at the receiving end when a fish vendor bit off more than she could chew.
Literally. When Vasant Morajkar along with a truckload of colleagues swooped
down on a group of fish vendors below the Mandovi bridge, Deepali Kerkar bit
into Morajkar's hand. (GT)

ACTION PLAN FOR DENGUE: The State government has formulated a two-point
programme to deal with dengue in the wake of two deaths reported in the
State. Officials have noted that Ponda appears to be emerging as the
epicenter of the dengue attacks, with five of the eleven cases in Goa
originating in Ponda. The vector control measures include spraying of areas
of storage of water and preventing people from allowing water to collect in
their yards. (H)

ACCUSED IN FIRING CASE: The persona arrested by Calangute police in a firing
case at Baga, has been remanded to police custody for two days. According to
Calangute police, Bernard Carvalho, who had injured two people under the
influence of alcohol, with his pistol, was arrested by the police in wee
hours on Tuesday. (NT)

TO CURB STRAY ANIMALS: Armed with a mandate to reduce the menace of stray
animals in the State, Corporation of the City of Panaji has turned animal
catcher of sorts with the help of trained st

[Goanet]Zoivonta Porobo's re- appointment

Zoivonta Porobo's re- appointment as President of GAT: Contempt petition
filed

A Contempt of Court petition has been filed by Adv Aires Rodrigues before
the Panaji Bench of the Bombay High court against the Government of Goa on
the recent re-appointment of Mr Zoivonta Esvonta Porobo as President of Goa
Administrative Tribunal (GAT).

Mr. Porobo had resigned as President of GAT after the Panaji bench of the
Bombay high court on 19th September 2002 quashed and set aside his
appointment on a Public Interest Litigation filed by Adv Rodrigues. Mr.
Porobo was later appointed as Joint Secretary Law by the Goa Government and
has now been re-appointed as President GAT. Porobo was selected by a
three-member panel comprising of Chairman of Goa Public Service Commission
Mr. Avinash Vaze, former Law Secretary Mr. V.P Shetye and former Additional
Advocate General Vilas Thali.

Adv Rodrigues had earlier in a representation to the Chief Justice of the
Bombay High Court submitted that in the case of appointment of the President
of Goa Administrative Tribunal, it was incumbent that the Government of Goa
associate the High Court in the selection process itself and that a Judge of
the High Court or a nominee of the Chief Justice of the High Court had to be
on the selection committee from the inception and that such a judge or
nominee of the Chief Justice had to preside over the selection committee and
that his opinion on the selection process should have primacy.  Adv
Rodrigues had also submitted that the Government of Goa cannot on its own
select a candidate for the post of the President of Administrative Tribunal
and then consult the High Court in the matter of appointment as a mere
formality only.

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[Goanet]06 NOV 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS

GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
06 Nov 2003

GOA HIT BY POWER FAILURE: A suspected fault in the Maharashtra State
Electricity Board system led to a power failure for more than three hours in
large parts of Maharashtra and some areas of neighbouring Goa and Gujarat
yesterday. The power supply was disrupted between 10.40 am and 4.30 pm.

KAMAT WARNS OF POWER SHORTAGE: Power Minister Digambar Kamat said that for
the past 46 days, some disturbances were observed in the power supply to the
State due to the closing down of the western grid Corba unit. Mr Kamat also
informed that the Ramagundam power generation unit in the southern grid has
been shut down for maintenance from November 4 and would remain so for the
next 25 days. "This may cause some hardships to the power consumers in the
State. However, the electricity department is making efforts to see that the
domestic power supply is maintained, he observed. (NT)

PASSENGERS HURT IN ACID ATTACK: At least nine passengers were injured by
acid from a bottle which was accidentally smashed in a fight between drivers
of two mini buses at the KTC bus stand in Curchorem yesterday. The fight
broke out after a collision between mini-buses 'Olgita' and 'Vailankani'.
(GT)

FOOD POISONING KILLS LABOURER: One labourer died and four were reported to
be in a serious condition as a result of food poisoning yesterday. The five
were working for the Border Road Organisation which is constructing the
four-lane highway between Verna and Mormugao Port Trust Harbour. (GT)

OLD GMC COMPLEX TO HOUSE IFFI OFFICE: The International Film Festival of
India office will be set up in the Goa Medical College old premises at
Campal in Panjim at 6 pm today (November 6), while an advertisement for
recruitment of staff has already been issued. (GT)

'CLUB CLASS' BRINGS HIGH SPENDING TOURISTS: Starting this year, airlines
operating out of Europe have introduced a new 'Club Class' section for high
spending passengers. By doing so, the charter companies have effectively
eaten into the shares of economy or 'cattle class' seats and raised the
standard of Goa, as a holiday destination. Speaking to GT, De Souza Group
chairman and Travel and Tourism Association of Goa vice president, Ralph de
Souza explained. (GT)

ILLEGAL SHACKS MUSHROOM: The State government has permitted around 75 shacks
in the coastal belt of Anjuna, Baga, Calangute and Candolim. But another
30-40 shacks have mushroomed illegally at every open space and more people
are likely to follow suit. The Tourism department authorities are finding it
difficult to take action as those who have put up shacks illegally claim
that they have been permitted by their political masters. (NT)

ILLEGAL CONSTRUCTIONS AT AGONDA: Illegal constructions have been sprouting
on the Agonda coastal belt, Canacona, in total violation of the Coastal
Regulation Zone. Work on five projects is in progress and they are being
built just 50 to 60 meters from the High Tide Line. (GT)

STATE RE-SURVEY: At last, the re-survey of the State of Goa seems set for a
take-off after a delay of more than a year. The land survey (a Rs.7.8-crore
project) will commence on December 1 in Panjim. "It will be a highly
comprehensive and development-oriented survey," Director of Settlement and
Land Records, Mihir Vardhan told Herald. (H)

AFTER A TANKER TURNED TURTLE: It was an unusual sight when scores of people
began rushing with cans, buckets and bottles towards a gutter near the
Kundil factory at Kundaim on Wednesday morning. People made a desperate bid
to collect kerosene which was flowing into a gutter, after a tanker carrying
kerosene turned turtle at Kundaim, when the driver lost control of the
vehicle. (H)

FISHERWOMAN BITES CCP WORKER: A Corporation of the City of Panaji worker was
at the receiving end when a fish vendor bit off more than she could chew.
Literally. When Vasant Morajkar along with a truckload of colleagues swooped
down on a group of fish vendors below the Mandovi bridge, Deepali Kerkar bit
into Morajkar's hand. (GT)

ACTION PLAN FOR DENGUE: The State government has formulated a two-point
programme to deal with dengue in the wake of two deaths reported in the
State. Officials have noted that Ponda appears to be emerging as the
epicenter of the dengue attacks, with five of the eleven cases in Goa
originating in Ponda. The vector control measures include spraying of areas
of storage of water and preventing people from allowing water to collect in
their yards. (H)

ACCUSED IN FIRING CASE: The persona arrested by Calangute police in a firing
case at Baga, has been remanded to police custody for two days. According to
Calangute police, Bernard Carvalho, who had injured two people under the
influence of alcohol, with his pistol, was arrested by the police in wee
hours on Tuesday. (NT)

TO CURB STRAY ANIMALS: Armed with a mandate to reduce the menace of stray
animals in the State, Corporation of the City of Panaji has turned animal
catcher of sorts with the help of trained st

[Goanet]Alfred Rose Album - 4th No.

On 3 Nov 2003 08:24:52 -, "annie gonsalina rodrigues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear Goemkars,

In continuation to the previous song, here goes the 4th No. for today. Hope you
all enjoy this song.

Best regards.
Annie Rodrigues
Goa - Navelim


FOTTOUN GELEIM (Love Story)

Dukham sanvronam
Nirmoll kallzak ghavo zala to pekonam
Tuje  osoli devi dusri mevchinam
Rochnnaran kazar  kiteak  favo kelenam, vhoi kelenam
Anstem rup tujem
Nialltoch kallzak petta akttem ujeachem
Tunch  mozo fuddar dissoi neketr Sorginchem
Sozmotalom tunch mhunn amrut jivitachem

Khuimsor geleim, khuimsor geleim
Kazarachea dissa, aksident zaun, choddfoddeanim meleim
Kallzak balo topun geleim, kalliz toddun veleim
Zogllaunnem koxem jivitan aileim
Ekach minutan , tum nattak zalaim, fottoun geleim

Pisso zalam anv, chintunk naslelea mornan giraslem tuka
Kazarachea dissa, tunvem fottoilo maka
Makai vor, sonvsaran anink dovrinaka tunch vor maka

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[Goanet]Re: Alfred Rose Mass

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:20:56 -0800 (PST), virginia sequeira
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear Sir,

This is to thank Kuwait Goa Tiatristanchi Sonvstha - Kuwait for their good work 
I was there with my family for the mass of Alfred Rose.  I was feeling good and
privileged to be present for the mass.  The sermon was very tocuhing by Fr.
Domnic and I want to wish the Sonvstha all the best in their good work. God
Bless them all.

Virginia

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[Goanet]Letter from the Chairman

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:21:01 +0100, "Bernd C. Hohmann - Germany"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear reader!

Can you please pass my e-mail adress onto John Spence?

I have worked with hin in Tenerife and don´t know how to get in touch with John.
He knows who I am.

Bernd C. Hohmann - ex Sales Rep Sunset Harbour - German Manager - Sales and
Marketing Direktor in Global - Sahara Sunset - Alpine Club Schladming
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

for John Spence

Hi John,

if you get to read this, please send me your e-mail adress so I can write you a
letter

Bernd
thank you

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[Goanet]Re: Veneration of Saints - a pagan tradition?

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:18:19 -0800 (PST), Gregory Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Brother Jaime,

I appreciate your remarks and I know that you are aware about the Word of God.

I shall keep and rest in my prayer, for knowing the truth.

Thanks,

God bless you,

Gregory Gomes


> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:09:26 -0800 (PST), Jaime DeMello 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> It is very sad when human beings, in their desire to honor a Saint, 
> exalt a saint to a point that instead of being inspired by the life 
> of the saint, we become worshipers of that saint (or more like in
> case of Goan Catholics, end up worshiping an idol of that saint).

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[Goanet]Re: GOA STATE AWARD TO ALFRED ROSE -

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:05:17 + (GMT), Francis Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Hats off to Patrick de Sousa for getting the cat out of the bag!

You cannot be a master of all trades, Antonio Veronica Fernandes of Candolim.
Forget that, it is shame to read your tirade of abusive articles on this forum.

A shameless writer writes and writes and writes but he is real shameless writer
because he does not know what he writes. This is the sorry state of the mentally
disturbed Antonio Veronica Fernandes. It is shame to call him a writer. The
Novem Goem Funds had gone in the wrong hands and crooks like Antonio Veronica
Fernandes and his associates in the so-called Kuwait Konkani Kendra and NGP have
dissolved a huge amount in lakhs and swindled it to their benefits. The Novem
Goem is dead, but some of the crooks like Antonio Veronica Fernandes have gone
scott free who has betrayed the Goan audience and even called them 'rostad'
while he enjoyed himself and his croonies on free passes and complimentaries.
Imagine you are inviting people for your shows and calling them rostad to your
audience. Is this what you learnt? Where are the funds, and if not you, Antonio
Veronica Fernandes, who is accountable?

Playing your sodanchem rengteteng of 'I did this and you did this' is of no use,
as people know your mean mentality.

By pointing fingers to others you cannot hide your misdeeds and divided the Goan
and Mangalorean tiatrists for your own monetary benefits. Jumping from KKK to
KHK and to YRC and involving himself on the Net with his disgraceful acts. You
have no right to personally attack anyone.

What we, the tiatrist fraternity has done, for the Konkani stage, you will only
have to dream to come to our level. We are on the stage, acting, writing dramas,
composing lyrics and encouraging the youth, for over four (4) decades. You keep
dreaming of uniting the dramatists, but we have already done what you could not
do.

Keep in mind that before calling someone 'shameless', think hard for a while how
shameless you are. By posting on the goanet, you are abusing your fellow Goans,
so much so that you are calling your neighbour and the well respected Mr.
Tomazinho Cardozo with 'disgraceful words'. Your contribution is zero, if you
compare it with the persons whom you wish to dislike!

You will realize one day of your own folly and mind you, your like-minded
cronies, will one day dump you after getting their songs sung.

You should not forget that I supported you - a dirty hearted man - right from
the invasion till date, not for anything, but for my love for Konkani stage.

Harping on old tunes again and again leads to this forum unpopularity.

Do not play games with us. Also I would like to get it to the notice of this
forum management of this character who is not only destroying the unity and
peace of the Goan and Mangalorean community with his panch-sov (5-6) cronies,
but also the interest in this mailing list.

Franics de Verna
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Pats De Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have been reading with great interest of what Anthonio Veronica 
> has to say about Alfred Rose or Alfi as he now calls him.  Previously 
> I had read his eugology on Miguel Rod and often on other tiatrists.
> To me it is no surprise that he knows just about any and everybody 
> of who was, who is and who will be a famed Goan.

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Re: [Goanet]Amche historr?

2003-11-05 Thread Eddie Fernandes

Headline: Amche Historr creates a niche in London.

Source: Herald (Goa) 3 Nov. 2003.



Full Text:



Amche Historr, The Goan Oral History Group based in London, has struck it
lucky with an application for the British National Lottery Funding. Both,
Croydon Council Heritage Awards and National Lottery Awards for All.
Community grants have been granted to Goans living in London to contribute
their life stories to local historical archives.



Oral history has become a popular method of collecting history among groups,
often forgotten by conventional historians. Religious and ethnic minority
groups, migrant workers, women, the working class and elderly, have all
contributed their voices towards historical representation. Clifford
Pereira, Amche Historr's International Publicity Co-ordinator, commented
that, due to a colonial past, and the disinterest of the imperial and
independent governments in recording, archiving and publishing our
historical heritage, the Goan diaspora in Asia, Africa and Europe has lost
much of its sense of history.



"The Amche Historr project aims to correct this - at least for the best part
of the last century - by telling our story from our perspective and from
that of the people's who have interacted with us," Pereira said.



Funds will be set aside to record some interviews in Konkani dialects, some
of which face extinction, these will be translated and made available.



The project will serve to acknowledge the contribution made by Goans to
community projects, music, sports and the various professions. Additionally,
it will preserve a part of their heritage for their future to enjoy as the
recorded life stories will be deposited in libraries that specialise in
local and community history. They will be made accessable to the wider
community and future generations to enjoy.



Ms Shirley Gonsalves (project co-ordinator) hopes that the younger Goans
would take responsibility for the preservation of "our unique heritage."



It is envisaged that the group will form links with the wider Goan Global
network. Towards this goal, many workshops based on oral tradition were
planned and held on October 25, this year in London.



Those interested in knowing more about the project may email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

=



See also:

1. Goan Voice UK Newsletter Issue 2003-39. October 03, 2003

Cliff Pereira has launched his profusely illustrated narrative on the Goans
in the Port of London. He examines the evidence of Goans in Deptford in the
18th century and finishes with look at the Goan Community of London today.
There are sections on A maritime culture; The priest and the company; The
Goans of Bombay; Lascars in the East End; Colonial clerks; The exodus. There
is also a Konkani translation of the full text. Photograph of him and link
to the resource at:

http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2003-39/



2. Goan Voice UK Newsletter Issue 2003-13, March 28, 2003 at:
http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2003-13/

Croydon Advertiser. 27 Mar. 2003. Lottery Community Funds. Three Croydon
projects received the top award of £5,000 - one of them is the Croydon Goan
Community Oral History Project (GCOHP). Shirley Gonsalves, project
co-ordinator of the GCOHP, which records the social history of Goans in
Croydon, said: "There was no way we could do this project without the grant
so we're delighted. It's fantastic news." For full text see,

http://iccroydon.icnetwork.co.uk/news/headlines/page.cfm?objectid=12779389&method=full&siteid=53340





- Original Message - 
From: "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:49 AM
Subject: [Goanet]Amche historr?


May I know how this project came about and how it is planned to be carried
out? I wish the konkani title for the project was spelt out correctly in our
language. "historr" with one r would be bad enough, and with double rr is
sounds truly horrible! What gender is "amche"?
Teotonio R. de Souza




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[Bikies] Fwd: East Washington Avenue Public Meeting

2003-11-05 Thread Robbie Webber

Upcoming meeting announcement:

>News Release
>
>For Immediate Release - City of Madison - November 5, 2003
>For More Information, Contact:  Rob Phillips, Deputy City Engineer, (608)
>266-4090 or  
>   Matt Hintze, HNTB Project Manager, (608)
>294-5000
>
>East Washington Avenue Public Meeting
>
>The city of Madison and the Wisconsin Department of Transportation will hold
>a public information meeting to address the East Washington Avenue
>Reconstruction Project. The meeting will be held on Wednesday, November 12,
>from 6 to 8 p.m. at the WisDOT District 1 office building, 2101 Wright
>Street, Madison. The meeting will be held in an open-house format that will
>include a formal project presentation at 7 p.m.
>
>Project team members will be present to answer questions. Exhibit boards and
>handout materials will be available for the public to review. The meeting
>will focus primarily on the segment of East Washington Avenue from Melvin
>Court to Thierer Road, scheduled for construction in 2005.  Information on
>other construction segments will be available as well. Construction from
>Blair Street to Thornton Avenue is expected to begin in late March 2004.
>
>The meeting site is wheelchair-accessible.  Persons with hearing impairments
>who wish special interpreter accommodations for the meeting should contact
>the WisDOT Telephone Device for the Deaf (TDD) at (608) 246-5385.
>
>For more information, residents may call the city of Madison Deputy City
>Engineer, Rob Phillips, at (608) 266-4090 or HNTB Project Manager, Matt
>Hintze, at (608) 294-5000.
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[Goanet-news]05 NOV 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS

GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
05 Nov 2003

CAPTAIN OF PORTS SUSPENDED: Captain of Ports AP Mascarenhas has been placed
under suspension by the government for lapse of duty and irregularities in
service. The government has also sought prosecution sanction and a
chargesheet will be filed against Mascarenhas soon. The order expected to be
served by the Vigilance Department late yesterday evening pertains to
irregularities in connection with a winch machine costing Rs.22 lakh
purchased three years ago. (GT)

HOTELIER GOES BERSERK: In a bizarre incident, a policeman and a civilian
were shot at and injured by an inebriated Panjim-based hotelier, at a
popular Baga-Calangute restaurant in the wee hours of Tuesday. (H)

GRAND BOAT FESTIVAL AWAITS TOURISTS: This year, tourists visiting Goa will
be able to participate in "Tripurari Poornima" (full moon night celebration
on conclusion of Diwali celebration), a unique boat festival celebrated at
Vithalapur, Sanquelim on full moon night, on November 8. On this occasion
thousands of people, young and old will set afloat their colourful paper
boats in the holy water of River Valvanti. (H)

ROSY PICTURE OF TOURIST SEASON: Mr Ashwini Kakkar, chief executive officer
and managing director of Thomas Cook India Ltd, has said that tourism has
got a big boost in the State and that the present tourist season was going
to be fantastic for the tourism industry. He said that number of tourists
arriving in the state were expected to rise by 25 to 30 per cent this year.
He also said that Thomas Cook has invested $1 million in promotion of Goa as
a tourist destination. He said that Thomas Cook brings about 25,000 foreign
tourists through charters.  (NT)

SPECIAL AWARD FOR GOA: Goa has bagged a special award at the 19th World
Mining Congress underway at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, amongst 300
exhibitors from India and abroad. The Department of Mines has set up a
pavilion at the Pragati Maidan on 100 square metres of area depicting an
actual model of a mine and a rehabilitated version of it. (GT)

DENGUE SCARE: There's a dengue fever scare among the residents of Borda,
staying in the vicinity of the PWD office quarters. The locals suspect that
the dreaded disease has claimed the life of a young boy, while another
youngster is presently battling for his life at a private hospital at
Guddi-Paroda. (H)

FOUR-LANING COST: New bridges across Zuari, Mandovi and some other rivers,
fly-overs, subways and bypasses to avoid congested areas, are key features
of the proposed four-lane highway from Patradevi to Polem. It is also
proposed to link the four-lane highway to the Golden Quadrilateral from
Kashmir to Kanyakumari. The whole project may take about five years to be
completed but the cost overruns due to delay may raise the estimates to
Rs.1,000 crore. (GT)

FLOATING THEATRE IN GOA? Is Goa going to have a "floating theatre" for
hosting the proposed International Film Festival of India in Panjim in
December 2004? This is what the Chief Minister, Manohar Parrikar, seems to
have informed the Union Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Ravi
Shankar Prasad, during the former's visit to Delhi, according to reports
appearing in two national newspapers. (H)

INSTABILITY BUG HITS TELAULIM P'YAT: After Ambelim, clouds of instability
are hovering over Telaulim panchayat in Salcete following a no confidence
motion tabled against the Sarpanch, Jose Edward Coutinho. (H)

VARCA, FIRST VILLAGE TO BE TAKEN UP FOR BEAUTIFICATION: The Salcete Block
Development Officer, Mr Johnson Fernandes, yesterday revealed that Varca
village will be taken up first for beautification, among other villages from
the Salcete taluka. The beautification is viable with the hoteliers in Varca
showing positive response," Mr Fernandes said. (NT)

MATHANY CRITICAL OF BRO PLANS: Matanhy Saldanha, MLA of Cortalim, has said
the Border Road Organisation has failed to keep up its promise to complete
the road up to the airport before 2 October. Worse still it does not appear
there is any planning to link the existing village roads to the 4-lane
National Highway 17B. People using the existing highway are put to great
hardship for the last three years. Saldanha said that the road from Sancoale
to St Jacinto, linking to NH 17b, is presently in disarray due to increased
height of the NH17B. (GT)

KTC TO GIVE MUMBAI BUS OPERATORS RUN FOR MONEY: The Goa-Mumbai bus operators
are expected to face tough competition in the days to come as the Kadamba
Transport Corporation Limited is all set to restart its service on this
route within a fortnight. KTC is launching its Volvo service from November 5
to Shirdi via Pune and will be followed by the launch of its Volvo service
to Mumbai within a week. (H)

MOTORCYCLIST DIES IN ACCIDENT: Rosario S Quadros, 38-year-old motorcyclist,
died in a road accident at Nuvem. While trying to avoid an oncoming truck,
he lost control over the two-wheeler and hit an electrical pole. (GT)

WOMAN KILLED UNDER TRAIN WHEELS: A

[Goanet]05 NOV 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS

GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
05 Nov 2003

CAPTAIN OF PORTS SUSPENDED: Captain of Ports AP Mascarenhas has been placed
under suspension by the government for lapse of duty and irregularities in
service. The government has also sought prosecution sanction and a
chargesheet will be filed against Mascarenhas soon. The order expected to be
served by the Vigilance Department late yesterday evening pertains to
irregularities in connection with a winch machine costing Rs.22 lakh
purchased three years ago. (GT)

HOTELIER GOES BERSERK: In a bizarre incident, a policeman and a civilian
were shot at and injured by an inebriated Panjim-based hotelier, at a
popular Baga-Calangute restaurant in the wee hours of Tuesday. (H)

GRAND BOAT FESTIVAL AWAITS TOURISTS: This year, tourists visiting Goa will
be able to participate in "Tripurari Poornima" (full moon night celebration
on conclusion of Diwali celebration), a unique boat festival celebrated at
Vithalapur, Sanquelim on full moon night, on November 8. On this occasion
thousands of people, young and old will set afloat their colourful paper
boats in the holy water of River Valvanti. (H)

ROSY PICTURE OF TOURIST SEASON: Mr Ashwini Kakkar, chief executive officer
and managing director of Thomas Cook India Ltd, has said that tourism has
got a big boost in the State and that the present tourist season was going
to be fantastic for the tourism industry. He said that number of tourists
arriving in the state were expected to rise by 25 to 30 per cent this year.
He also said that Thomas Cook has invested $1 million in promotion of Goa as
a tourist destination. He said that Thomas Cook brings about 25,000 foreign
tourists through charters.  (NT)

SPECIAL AWARD FOR GOA: Goa has bagged a special award at the 19th World
Mining Congress underway at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, amongst 300
exhibitors from India and abroad. The Department of Mines has set up a
pavilion at the Pragati Maidan on 100 square metres of area depicting an
actual model of a mine and a rehabilitated version of it. (GT)

DENGUE SCARE: There's a dengue fever scare among the residents of Borda,
staying in the vicinity of the PWD office quarters. The locals suspect that
the dreaded disease has claimed the life of a young boy, while another
youngster is presently battling for his life at a private hospital at
Guddi-Paroda. (H)

FOUR-LANING COST: New bridges across Zuari, Mandovi and some other rivers,
fly-overs, subways and bypasses to avoid congested areas, are key features
of the proposed four-lane highway from Patradevi to Polem. It is also
proposed to link the four-lane highway to the Golden Quadrilateral from
Kashmir to Kanyakumari. The whole project may take about five years to be
completed but the cost overruns due to delay may raise the estimates to
Rs.1,000 crore. (GT)

FLOATING THEATRE IN GOA? Is Goa going to have a "floating theatre" for
hosting the proposed International Film Festival of India in Panjim in
December 2004? This is what the Chief Minister, Manohar Parrikar, seems to
have informed the Union Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Ravi
Shankar Prasad, during the former's visit to Delhi, according to reports
appearing in two national newspapers. (H)

INSTABILITY BUG HITS TELAULIM P'YAT: After Ambelim, clouds of instability
are hovering over Telaulim panchayat in Salcete following a no confidence
motion tabled against the Sarpanch, Jose Edward Coutinho. (H)

VARCA, FIRST VILLAGE TO BE TAKEN UP FOR BEAUTIFICATION: The Salcete Block
Development Officer, Mr Johnson Fernandes, yesterday revealed that Varca
village will be taken up first for beautification, among other villages from
the Salcete taluka. The beautification is viable with the hoteliers in Varca
showing positive response," Mr Fernandes said. (NT)

MATHANY CRITICAL OF BRO PLANS: Matanhy Saldanha, MLA of Cortalim, has said
the Border Road Organisation has failed to keep up its promise to complete
the road up to the airport before 2 October. Worse still it does not appear
there is any planning to link the existing village roads to the 4-lane
National Highway 17B. People using the existing highway are put to great
hardship for the last three years. Saldanha said that the road from Sancoale
to St Jacinto, linking to NH 17b, is presently in disarray due to increased
height of the NH17B. (GT)

KTC TO GIVE MUMBAI BUS OPERATORS RUN FOR MONEY: The Goa-Mumbai bus operators
are expected to face tough competition in the days to come as the Kadamba
Transport Corporation Limited is all set to restart its service on this
route within a fortnight. KTC is launching its Volvo service from November 5
to Shirdi via Pune and will be followed by the launch of its Volvo service
to Mumbai within a week. (H)

MOTORCYCLIST DIES IN ACCIDENT: Rosario S Quadros, 38-year-old motorcyclist,
died in a road accident at Nuvem. While trying to avoid an oncoming truck,
he lost control over the two-wheeler and hit an electrical pole. (GT)

WOMAN KILLED UNDER TRAIN WHEELS: A

[Goanet]High Court notices to Goa Govt. on beach shacks.

2003-11-05 Thread Goa Desc

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The Panaji bench of Bombay High Court on Monday issued notice
to the state government and others on a petition filed by Fomento
Resorts and Hotels Limited to restrain the government from
permitting erection of shacks at Vaiguinim beach.
The petitioners, who own and operate a five star deluxe beach resort,
Cidade de Goa, has stated that Vaiguinim beach was figuring in
Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) - III as per Goa Coastal Management
Plan originally framed. But from December 2001 it was declared as
CRZ-II. For this reasons, allowing the erection of shacks on the beach
will be contrary to law.
The government had issued a notice in 2002 inviting applications for
setting up shacks on the beaches of Goa. Vaiguinim beach was not
notified in the notice.
In October 2003, by a seperate notice, Vaigunim beach was also
added to the notice earlier published.
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[Goanet]Accused gets bail in child sex abuse case

2003-11-05 Thread Goa Desc

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The Additional Sessions Court has granted bail to Francis Fernandes
of Mapusa one of those accused of sexually abusing minor children.
Fernandes and co-accused Avelino Pinto had been arrested on the
complaint of having sexually abused a child of 13 years.
They had been charged with offences punishable under Section
376, 354 and Section 8 (2) of the Goa Children's Act 2003.This
is the second bail application filed by Fernandes. The first had
been dismissed by the same court on October 22.
While granting bail to Fernandes, the Assistant Sessions Judge
took into account the fact that the investigation in the case with
regards to the present accused is nearly over. She also observed
that,  there was nothing before her suggesting that the accused
had a past criminal record.
She released him on bail on his executing a bail bond of Rs 15,000
with one surety in the like amount on the condition that, he did not
interfere with the victim or the witnesses. He was also directed to
make himself available for investigation when required and not to
leave the State.
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[Goanet-news]Goanet Highlights - 16-31Oct03

Here are some interesting highlights from Goanet -- Goa's premiere mailing list.
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* Highlights for October 16 - 31, 2003 *

Joe Pereira is looking for company to travel across India:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006048.html

Remember BusyBee from those afternoon newspapers in Mumbai/Bombay. Eddie found
this one:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006049.html

Shirin tells us about the activies of TERI in Goa:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006074.html

Sebastian Rodrigues brings us up to speed on the activities of NEST:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006083.html

Rene Barretto championed the cause of Goa Day. Deborah Santamaria writes in
about the celebrations in Karachi:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006088.html

Ariosto reminisces on the passing away of Sr. Amabel:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006097.html

Mother Teresa's beatification was a global event. Some in India protested:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006099.html

There were a number of messages/posts/opinions on Mother Teresa's beatification.
Some discussions ventured into the delays in canonizing Bl. Jose Vaz.

Cecil Pinto from Miramar, thru a curve ball on the debate about 'greenspace' on
Betim's hillside:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006110.html

Godfrey Gonsalves talks about corruption:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006122.html

For the history buff, Dr. Teotonio talks about the construction of the Moira
church:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006127.html

Lino Dourado with one of his Aitaracheo Kaskuleo:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006134.html

Siddharth Naik informs us that he has begun a new website for Goan Matrimonials:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006163.html

Joe Pereira starts a new series on Adim Tem Antam Hem (ATAH).
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006176.html

The many responses continue to follow. Hopefully this runs like the Goan
Proverbs and somebody collects these.

Daisy continues her recipe series with a recipe to make Saanas:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006187.html

A. Veronica Fernandes broke the news on the passing of Alfred Rose:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006209.html

The tributes and criticism of the Government of Goa followed.

An editorial from O Heraldo:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006223.html

Eustaquio found an article on Goa's Attempt to Revive Traditional Fishing
Culture:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006298.html

Eustaquio updates us on the Goa-Maharashtra boat service:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006302.html

Sonia Faleiro writes about returning to Goa:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006318.html

Miguel Braganza updates us on Hybrid rice and Tillari project:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006340.html

Valmiki Faleiro writes from Goa on Goa's Agrarian reforms:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006322.html

Domnic Fernandes starts a new thread called AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP!
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006339.html

Hopefully somebody will collect these words of wisdom.

Pushing the reading habit from Fred Noronha:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006408.html

Manuela D'Souza, presently doing a research on Goans request assistance:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006445.html

Another opinionated article from Fred Noronha:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006457.html

Aires Rodrigues evaluates the Chief Minister in O Heraldo:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-October/006590.html

And there were many-many more messages and subjects that were debated and
discussed.

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[Goanet]Task of Nation building ................“ Amchem Baganrachen Goem ”,

2003-11-05 Thread rene barreto




*Unless there is participation of the individuals and groups like the NGOs,
it would be difficult for the State to fulfill the basic nees of every
citizen.*   Justice Ferdino Rebello

00



NGO should play role innation building: HC judge

MARGAO, NOV 2 


HERALD CORRESPONDENT



 It is not only the responsibility of the State to shape the destiny of
the Nation, but the society at large, particularly the NGOs, and social
institutions should play a great role in this task of nation building, said
Justice Ferdino Rebello, judge of Bombay High Court at a function held in
the city here this evening at Gomant Vidhay Niketan.

Justice Rebello was speaking as the chief guest on the occasion of the fifth
anniversary of Shri Sadanand Zambaulikar Memorial Turst here.

Lauding the efforts of the trust in rendering service to the society,
Justice Rebello quoted the preamble of the Indian Constitution which
mentions that the the country will strive to secure justice  social,
economic and political  to its citizens. Here where lies the role of the
NGOs and other social organizations, he stressed.
Justice Rebello further said that it is not only the courts, the Parliament
or the executive who can fulfill the aspirations of the citizens, but the
voluntary organisations too can play a role in it.

In this regard, he said that some voluntary organisations have been
approaching the courts seeking justice and and that the Apex court has
played a big role in protecting the environment and the ecology of the
nation whenever such representations were made to the courts.

Every human being must get some basic rights and in this context he cited
the examples of prisons which remain as a place of denial of such rights. He
also said that millions of people in India are homeless, however, we in Goa
do not know what it means by not having a roof on ones head.


He also vividly described the conditions of those millions of people who
flock into big cities such as Mumbai, Chennia, Calcutta for a living and
struggle to occupy every inch of the land for a roof on their head,
resulting in slums even on the roads.

He said that economic achievments should go hand in hand with protection to
environment and in this task, the role of the NGOs is paramount, he said
adding that even a few individuals can help humanity as a whole for its
betterment.

Unless there is participation of the individuals and groups like the NGOs,
it would be difficult for the State to fulfill the basic needs of every
citizen.

In this context justice Rebello cited the examples of the role played by
NGOs in Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra where parched people have been helped
with plenty of water. Now the water availability so abundant that these
states have have water even for agriculture in some villages.

While congratulating teacher Prabhugaoncar who was presented with a scroll
of honour consisting of a shawl and shrefal, justice Rebello said he was
happy that Goa has made a good progress in the field of education with 90
per cent literacy rate in the state, thus providing universal education.

However, he said that Goans must strive to have best education in the State
and thus make Goa, Amchem Baganrachen Goem, as it is always said, justice
Rebello said in his short speech.

Earlier some students were also felicitated and provided with prizes and
cheques.

Rajabhau Gavande, president of the Industrial Courts, Maharashtra (Emeritus)
was the guest of honour on the occasion.

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Re: [Goanet]Mother Teresa's Saintly Companions

2003-11-05 Thread peu De

Mr Larie D Souza are you a frustrated peson with no other work only idle 
gossip or an idle mind which is the devil's workshop? Or trying to say to 
the world that you too are a member of the fanatics group. Or are you trying 
to cover up your family frustrations?Please pray and contemplate on making 
good in society or helping to ease the problems of the poor and sufering and 
not set fire or poison to the already politically murderous and wicked 
religious fanatics of today who in the name of religion so the seeds of 
discord or hatred in this world of today.I think goanet should discourage 
scorpions of this sort and use it for better enlightenment of the society on 
more important subjects or issues or knowledge or in bridging political 
,religious or social gaps Otherwise goanet will help in enhencing the war 
race politically and religiously and socially too.From a reader


From: Lawrie D'souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet]Mother Teresa's Saintly Companions
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 04:05:43 -0800 (PST)
Mother Teresa's Saintly Companions

October 26, 2003, 12:53 pm

N.S. Rajaram
Vol. LV, No.15 New Delhi
October 26, 2003
Organiser
What should make Indians particularly indignant is
Mother Teresas conduct, immediately after the Union
Carbide disaster in 1984. She rushed to Bhopal, not to
help the victims and their families but to appeal to
them to forgive. Who should the victims forgive?
Who else but the multinational Union Carbide and its
chief Anderson. Her concern was not the fate of the
victims but damage control in the face of the
inevitable public anger against the perpetrators of
the horrific disaster. The reason is obvious: the
victims were poor, but Union Carbide and Anderson are
rich. This should help put Mother
Teresa in her true place.

the shame of mankind, a sin of vice, a sewer where
is gathered all the filth in the world. There the God
is held in contempt, money alone is worshipped and the
laws of God and men are trampled under foot.
Everything there breathes
a lie

The great humanist Petrarch (1304-74)

A delegation of Indian Christian leaders recently
called on Prime Minister Vajpayee asking him that the
Government of India should send an official delegation
to Vatican during the ceremony when Pope John Paul II
is expected to anoint Mother Teresa a saint of the
Catholic Church. India as a secular state, does not or
at least should not send official delegations to
religious events. In fact, India does not recognize
even foreign secular awards like the British
knighthood and rightly so. So these Christian leaders
have no business telling the Government to send an
official delegation to Vatican. At the same time, it
is worth taking a look at the institution and some of
the candidates, it is honouring as saints. This will
give an idea of the sort of organisation and the
people it honors.
Churches and Christian organisations these days are in
the news only when there is a major scandalnot just
any scandal but a major one, like mass child
molestation, homosexual priests and even murder. Here
is what a recent report in The New York Times titled
Abusive Ex-Priest Is Killed in Prison (August 24,
2003) had to says: John J. Geoghan, the former
priest, whose abuse of children over decades opened
the door for a scandal that shook the Roman Catholic
Church, was strangled by another inmate in a
Massachusetts state prison, officials said yesterday
According to the report, Other criminal charges were
pending, as well as civil cases involving more than
130 people, who said he had abused them His case was
among hundreds involving clergy members, but the
extent of his crimes and the mountain of church
documents released in lawsuits against him, turned him
into a symbol of the churchs sexual abuse scandal.
The report also noted that the Church knew that this
had been going on for years and had hushed it up: His
case also showed the degree to which the Roman
Catholic hierarchy knew about problem priests and
shuttled them among parishes, showing what victims
said was more concern for the churchs reputation than
for the safety of children. And how high did this
knowledge go in the Churchs hierarchy? All the way to
the Popes, going back decades. Here is what the
Observer (August 17, 2003) had to say in the report
titled: Vatican told bishops to cover up sex abuse:
Expulsion threat in secret documents.
The Vatican instructed Catholic bishops around the
world to cover up cases of sexual abuse or risk being
thrown out of the Church, [according to] a 40-year-old
confidential document from the secret Vatican archive,
which lawyers are calling a blueprint for deception
and concealment. One British lawyer acting for Church
child abuse victims has described it as explosive.
The 69-page Latin document bearing the seal of Pope
John XXIII was sent to every bishop in the world. The
instructions outline a policy of strictest secrecy
in

[Goanet]Playing with FIRE

2003-11-05 Thread Seb dc


Another one Alphonso, They create Sati; jumping into the FIRE after her
husbands death! But is it a practice still???

- Seb

>
>I was watching the closing ceremony of the just concluded Afro-Asian
>Games-2003 at Hydreabad, last weekend.
>And the conclusion I came to is 'India is the only country that plays with
>FIRE'.
>The closing function started with the Mashal Dance which had hundreds of
>young & old dancing at the stadium to a rhythmic beats. Some had fire in
the
>hands, some had it on their heads and some were blowing fire from mouths.
>
>Besides these games... India does play with fire.
>They burn wives for dowry.
>They burn brothers in the name of Religion.
>At the end of any cricket game -you'll see burning of Cards/plastic bottles
>in the stadiums.
>And then, (Sacred ?) fire for the final rituals of a dead body.
>Any more could be added by you (let the list grow) !!
>
>Besides the fire ...i.e. Pakistan, India indeed plays with fire!!
>
>- Alfonso Bond Braganza
>   Mapusa Goa.
>
>



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[Goanet]ADIM ani ATAM!

Eok khillo dusrea khilleak bhair kaddta  sonvoim, sonvoim-ek moddta

Domnic Fernandes
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Re: [Goanet](no subject)

2003-11-05 Thread Floriano

Lucky you, Sarabond,

I would have wanted to watch the Afro-Asian Games through out, more so the
closing ceremony. BUT!...
However, I did get to see the clip on the opening ceremony and the Advani
address.
At one point Advani made a very bold statement, and,  I'm sure,  he
expected  a deafening applause, atleast from the dignitaries on the stage.
NOTHING HAPPENED. As if he could not believe his ears, Advani
repeated the line again. But, to his chagrin, NOTHING HAPPENED. A TOTAL
DEAD SILENCE. He looked left right and center and continued with an acid
smile on his face.
"" AZ  EH SAAB DEKNE-SE  EISA LAGATA HAI KI  "KAMAL"  KHUL GAYA HAI. ""
No doubt, Advani sees saffron  kamals everywhere,  where  most do not.

Coming back to "Playing with fire" are we  not the AGNI  people???

Regards
floriano

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From: sarabond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:42 AM
Subject: [Goanet](no subject)


> I was watching the closing ceremony of the just concluded Afro-Asian
> Games-2003 at Hydreabad, last weekend.
> And the conclusion I came to is 'India is the only country that plays with
> FIRE'.
> The closing function started with the Mashal Dance which had hundreds of
> young & old dancing at the stadium to a rhythmic beats. Some had fire in
the
> hands, some had it on their heads and some were blowing fire from mouths.
>
> Besides these games... India does play with fire.
> They burn wives for dowry.
> They burn brothers in the name of Religion.
> At the end of any cricket game -you'll see burning of Cards/plastic
bottles
> in the stadiums.
> And then, (Sacred ?) fire for the final rituals of a dead body.
> Any more could be added by you (let the list grow) !!
>
> Besides the fire ...i.e. Pakistan, India indeed plays with fire!!
>
> - Alfonso Bond Braganza
>Mapusa Goa.




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Re: [Goanet]Question

2003-11-05 Thread halur rasho

According to nandini:
<<
"Swasti"
literally means "Well-being" (Su asti) in Sanskrit.  
Swastika stands
for the forward movement of  Sun-God's chariot, which
in turn means
enlightenment, progress, and optimism.  Hindus have
always used
Swastikas for benevolent purposes.  Swastikas were
used at cross-roads
with the right arm pointing to East to re-orient 
travelers in the
"right" direction.  Swastika with the Cross at its
heart invites
opposites to meet at the "Center" and become One.  
>>

The Nazi symbol and the indian swastika are different
as is obvious if you look closely.
Interestingly enough Navjo Indians in the american
south west use the symbol.

--- rene barreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> )))
> 
> 
> Where did the swastika emblem 
> originally come from?
> 
> OOO
> 
> 
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FW: [Goanet]Konkani Song

2003-11-05 Thread ACC GENERAL - CYPRIANO



Hi Simon,

This duet is sung by C. Alvares & Ophelia.  It's on a Hindi tune (old film)

Sang Nanda oxim kiteak tum golloitai dukham,
Konnem kitem mhunttlam tuka
Roddumnaka tum sang mhaka.

Premachi kobor konnem tori ghari sangli tankam
Dada mhunntta login zaunaka
Sang hanv kitem korum atam.

Tujea ghorcheank khoxi nam tor loguin forsan zaumchem nhoi
Koso visrum Sunil tuka prem tuzo kitlo kortam poi
Chol Sunil chol hea ami hem ghor soddun Mumbai
Mojean ghor soddunk zainam moji matari assa avoi, moji matari asa avoi, moji matari 
asa avoi.

Login zaupachi tuka oi nam mista khoxi
Dhekun tum modd ghaltai oxi
Nanda sozmonni nhoi toxi.

Best regards,
Cypriano Fernandes (Riyadh, KSA)

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From: Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet]Konkani Song


On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:24:35 +0530, SIMON CARVALHO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Could anyone tell me whose song is this or who sang it?

Sang Nanda kiteak tum golloitai dukam
Konnem kitem mhunttlem tuka
Roddumnaka tum sang mhaka.

Premachi kobor konnem tori sangli tankam
Dada mhunntta login zaunaka
Sang hanv kitem korum atam.






Tujea ghorcheank khoxi nam zalear login forsan zauchim nhoim
. forgot this line
..
..

Login zaupachi tuka nam mista khoxi
Dhekun tum modd ghaltai oxi
Nanda sozmonni nhoi toxi.

Rest is forgotten..

Marvin

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