[Goanet]Baina sex workers: Rehabilitation planned by Womens commissions
--- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- --- Plans afoot to rehabilitate Baina sex workers -- In a significant development, the Goa State Women's Commission (GSWC) and the Karnataka State Women's Commission (KSWC) have decided to work jointly for the rehabilitation of commercial sex workers of Baina red-light area. Last week, the members of the women's commissions from Goa and Karnataka visited the red-light area in Baina with the objective to explore the prospects of rehabilitating the sex workers. The GSWC chairperson, Ms Swati Kerkar told The Navhind Times that the sex workers given a chance, would like to give up the flesh trade and go for an alternate, more respectable mode of livelihood, adding that the sex workers are more than willing to shed the gaudy paint off their faces, provided they are given an option to choose a 'good alternate job'. She also pointed out that even though the sex workers are ready to turn over a new leaf, it is the pressure from the runners of the brothels, more commonly known as Gharwalis which make them think twice about the offer. The Gharwalis who are not ready to give up the goose which lays golden eggs, are yet to support the project, Ms Kerkar said, observing, "they feel that the government is trying to uproot them from their `well-settled' position, when it is the judiciary which has given directives regarding the rehabilitation of the sex workers''. Last year, the Panaji bench of the Bombay High Court had instructed the South Goa District Magistrate and the National Commission for Women (NCW) about presenting a compliance report regarding rehabilitation of the commercial sex workers in the Baina red-light area, by April 2004. "Though GSWC is not a party to a related writ petition, earlier filed by Savera, a non-governmental social organisation, regarding rehabilitation of the sex workers, the Commission has decided to assist the individuals and institutions involved in the reformation process," Ms Kerkar added. With a possible solution of sending back these sex workers to their native places, mostly situated in Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh states, GSWC had established contacts with the women's commissions of these places, and even received favourable response, she added. The deputy Collectors from Belgaum and Haveri districts have already visited Baina, in the past and the members of the Karnataka State Women's Commission had a detailed interaction with the sex workers last week, Ms Kerkar, who accompanied them to the red-light area pointed out. The adverse effects of prostitution on the sex workers themselves as well as on the community in general, have been impressed upon them during the joint visit by both the commissions, she said, informing that "the disgraceful irony wherein the middle-aged commercial sex workers (CSWs) send their teenaged girls to school, while import the girls in the same age group from Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, for continuation of flesh trade, has also been discussed in detail, with them''. Further speaking, the GSWC chief said that presently the sex workers, especially young girls operating in this area, prefer to function temporarily and move away to a married life, once they are able to collect a substantial amount, which may be anything above Rs 25,000. "So, there is a fluidity among the flesh-trade operators in Baina red-light area and no girl operating in the region wants to involve herself permanently in this trade," she noted. Meanwhile, the police have kept a strict vigilance around the Baina red-light area and are working as a deterrent for those, especially youth, who try to sneak into the area. Ms Kerkar, referring to a recent incident wherein some of the sex workers had gone to the Marcaim Industrial Estate in search of customers and were eventually driven away by the local residents, said that since the presence of police had reduced the visitors to the Baina red-light area, the sex workers might have ventured in other parts of the state. The Karnataka State Women's Commission has invited the members of the GSWC to visit few of the probable sites in Karnataka which would be used for the rehabilitation of sex workers, and further offer suggestions regarding improvements, if needed, she said. Ms Kerkar, however lamented that the Andhra Pradesh Women's Commission has been a little too slow in its response. In the meantime, the battle for survival continues for sex workers, who more than anything else fear most the thought about their next meal. The problem of livelihood, which gave rise to this profession of disrepute, almost at the beginning of
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY)!
Chinteleak soumsar ek fokandd, bhogteleak odruxtt (The world is a comedy to those who think - a tragedy to those who feel) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Helmets and other safety gear!
Hello all, I do agree with Salus and do believe that all safety measures with adequate safety gear, should be in place, without any further waste of time and life! Easier said than done! People like me and Salus and others in Canada, USA and Britain etc. are used to it and grow up with it. More imprtant is "Safety Consciousness" not only in using appropriate gear, but also in 'driving' and 'working'. Goa and indeed all of India has still a long long way to go. Good roads, very good traffic management in road alignment and construction, supervision of road construction by experts and stringent driving capability and a proper crack down of driving teachers and their skills, in the first place, will go a long way to emeliorate the 'suffering' of the Goan Community. Crack down should not mean 'hafta taking'!!! The traffic cops in the first place and others supervising have to be trained first and made aware of intrinsic skills and perception, which they should then pass on to drivers and enforce the same not by merely 'legislating' but safety should be enforced in the 'field' and without let or mercy!. Drink driving must be immediate taboo and strictly enforced. Two children riding with both parents on one scooter should be immediately banned. Not more than two persons on a two wheeler at any time, should be strictly enforced. After all these and like measures are taken and people properly informed by many sessions in many places; then only should helmets be made 'cumpulsory'; as of now it should be advisory; but the other more basic and imprtant stuff should be made 'cumpulsory first!!! Without basic amenities, like I have said above, the helmet rule becomes more like " washing off hands" by the authorities! I'm going to find out if the Australian or Melbourne traffic authority can take on Goa to help with traffic management; driving schools and other related tasks, on a sister status basis. Much knowledge and skill needs to be imparted! There is a lot, and plenty to learn by our Goan and Indian people from the advanced countries in everything. The Indian/ Goan polies/ persons who tour abroad should make a first hand proper study of systems abroad ; then they will have put the tax payers money to good use. Not return and change the look of the policeman's uniform, only to re-change it later. What matters more is the training and capability etc of the person inside the uniform, not the look of the dress itself. The Singapore police force is an all officer force; there are no pan chewing uneducated havaldars there taking hafta and turning a blind eye. U see, 'perception' and real action is important. Bye for now. Cheers. nasci. From: "Salus Correia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]Helmets Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:02:42 +1100 Hello Cecil, I live in Melbourne, and cyclists over here have to use helmets too. It is a good idea to use the helmets when riding on any two wheeler, motorised or not. Somehow Goans in Goa seem to be having a problem with that, and we find it hard to understand why. Safety starts with self, and I think the Government is right in putting its foot down with the helmet law. It is also high time safety conciousness and awareness arrives in the various industries in Goa. Over here all factory workers have to wear steel capped safety shoes and safety glasses at all times while on the factory floor. A lot of minor and major accidents are thus averted. So after the helmet issue, maybe the next thing on the Government's agenda could be the introduction of 'Safety at the workplaces', and this should also include the many garages all over the place. Salus >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:50:47 +0530 >From: Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Goanet]Are helmets compulsory for cyclists abroad? >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Recently my cousin from Toronto sent me photos of his kids riding their >bicycles in his own driveway with helmets on!! He tells me it is compulsory >to wear helmets even within one's own private protected property! >Are there such helmet rules for cyclists (non-motorised) in countries other >than Canada? Would appreciate some input from GoaNetters based abroad. >Cecil ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp
[Goanet]Birthdays from 19th - 26th Jan 2004
Special Belated B'day wishes to 19-JanMrs. Darrelle D'souza - American University of Sharjah Loving wishes from your Mom & Dad, 3 brothers, 5 sisters & their families in Dubai, Sharjah and Mapusa. Wishing you a very BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY on behalf of GoaNetters to 20-JanNisha Kapur Bombay Wishing you all a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY on behalf of GoaNetters to 24-JanELVIN GODINHOKSA 24-JanTim de Mello 24-JanBessie D'souza Tivim / UAE 26-JanRepublic day - India ---> Happy Republic Day for all GoaNetters 26-JanAshley Delaney Saligao Special B'day wishes to 23rd Jan 2004 :Mrs. Maria Fernandes - Patin, Carona, Aldona Loving wishes from your husband Neville in Dubai, son- Nashville, and all your in-laws in Dubai, Sharjah and Mapusa. 26th Jan 2004: Mrs. Sylvia Lily Fernandes Heartiest Birthday Greetings on your 75th birthday dearest Mum. May God Bless you and keep your in good health, & may you have many, many more happier birthdays to come. Most Loving wishes from yours six daughters, three sons, their spouses and your 19 grandchidren in Dubai, Sharjah & Mapusa. Thanks, Vincente. Please do notify if your e-mail address has been changed, for cc'ing B'day wished to your e-mail address. NOTE: Please send your Birthday's details for those who haven't done so far to the following e-mail address([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with subject as Birthday/Birthday details as per below format. Birth Day/Month NameBirth/Current Place _ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]24 JAN 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 24 January 2004 BORDA HOUSE GUTTED IN INFERNO: A major fire at Borda in Margao on January 23 morning gutted a major portion of a residential house (belonging to Deepak Chari), destroying all the property, including gold ornaments and cash, worth over Rs.3 lakh. What caused further destruction to the house was the cylinder blast, creating panic in the vicinity. (H) CHARTERS FROM LISBON TO FLY-IN: A major exercise was undertaken with tour operators of Portugal to start a charter flight from Lisbon to Goa next tourist season. There was tremendous response from tour operators for the Goa Evening at the Lisbon International Travel Mart which ended on January 23, according to the Tourism Director, Mr N Suryanarayana. More than 200 tour operators participated and got their queries answered from the Goa representatives. (H) PANJIMITES CARE ABOUT.: Do Panjimites give damn about the International Film Festival, or restoration of heritage buildings? A telephone survey conducted jointly by "Panjim Plus" and "Gomantak Times" has turned out some interesting answers to these questions and more. While 84 per cent respondents agreed that restoration of heritage buildings was a good thing, only 51 per cent support the International Film festival slated to be held in the city. (GT) PLAN TO REHABILITATE BAINA SEX WORKERS: In a significant development, the Goa State Women's Commission and the Karnataka State Women's Commission have decided work jointly for the rehabilitation of commercial sex workers of the Baina red-light area. The GSWC chairperson, Ms Swati Kerkar told "The Navhind Times" that the sex workers given a chance, would like to give up the flesh trade and go for an alternate, more respectable mode of livelihood. (NT) CARNIVAL FEST: The four-day Carnival festivities in Panjim are scheduled to begin on February 21. The float parade this year will depict traditional floats as the festivities are aimed at reviving the Carnival of yester years. While last year 70 floats participated in the parade in Panjim, the Panjim Carnival Committee has sought for greater participation this year. (H) MUSIC FESTIVAL VENUE NAMED AFTER ALFRED ROSE: The Konkani Sangeet and Natak Academi announced that the venue of the second All India Konkani music festival, which will be held on 7 and 8 February at EDC grounds, Patto, will be named as Alfred Rose Nagar, in honour of Goa's legendary melody king. Alfred Rose, who passed away on 21 October 2003, had attended the first all India Konkani music festival in Margao in February 2002. He was honoured by the Konkani Bhasha Mandal for his immense contribution to Konkani. (GT) "APARANT MAAND" UNDERWAY: The second "Aparant Mand 2004", billed as Goa's biggest handicraft, art and cultural exposition, is underway at the Bodgeshwar Devasthan temple grounds in Mapusa. Out of the 120 stalls, nearly 100 have been put up by local artisans. (H) ARRESTED FOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC: The police booked a case against Jove D'Silva of Verem for playing amplified music at Osborne resorts, Calangute, on Thursday. He was, however, released on bail. (GT) NUVEM SARPANCH QUITS: The Sarpanch of Nuvem, Pasquinha Colaco, has quit office. Sources said the Sarpanch had expressed her willingness to quit office since she was unable to devote more time to the panchayat everyday. (H) ARPORA SARPANCH VOTED OUT: The Arpora-Nagoa sarpanch, Mr Agnelo D'Souza, and deputy Sarpanch, Ms Sarika Diukar, have lost the confidence motion by 4-3 votes at a special meeting held at the village panchayat office on January 23. Mr Salim Sayyed, Ms Anita Fernandes, Mr Shankar Vaigankar and Mr Pundalik Naik had moved a no-confidence motion against the sarpanch and the deputy sarpanch. It is learnt that Mr Sayyed will stake claim for the post of sarpanch while Ms Fernandes would be the deputy sarpanch. (NT) POWER DEPT TO BE UNBUNDLED: The state Power department will be unbundled into three separate organisations, one of which will definitely be a Public Limited Company, while the other two could be corporations. The entire process of corporatisation of the department has been scheduled for completion by 19 January 2005. (GT) KIDNEY RACKET: The arrest of Mumbai-based nephrologists Dr SP Trivedi by Mumbai police on Thursday, has unearthed a kidney sale racket which had even spread to Goa and three other states. Dr Trivedi would approach patients in need of kidneys and strike a deal with them. He would then contact Shivanand Kamath, who is now in police custody and had allegedly run the kidney racket in Goa, Maharashtra, Karnataka and Punjab for the last six years. The agents told the police that they were paid hefty commissions to induce poor people, specially pavement dwellers and beggars, into donating kidneys. The racketeers earned as much as Rs.2 lakh for every operation. (H) FOREIGNER KILLED: An unidentified foreigner was killed in a road mishap at Anjuna early Friday morning. He was found lying unconscious at G
Re: [Goanet]first Goa Flower Show.
--- Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The > Goa Flower Show > > > The Goa Flower Show , a new event being promoted on > fixed dates basis by > the BOTANICAL SOCIETY OF GOA , took off from Friday > 23 January,2004 at the As a plant lover, I'm happy to see many plant and flower events in Goa being organized. Is there a website to view the plants, winning entries etc. Thanks, Filomena __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet-news]24 JAN 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 24 January 2004 BORDA HOUSE GUTTED IN INFERNO: A major fire at Borda in Margao on January 23 morning gutted a major portion of a residential house (belonging to Deepak Chari), destroying all the property, including gold ornaments and cash, worth over Rs.3 lakh. What caused further destruction to the house was the cylinder blast, creating panic in the vicinity. (H) CHARTERS FROM LISBON TO FLY-IN: A major exercise was undertaken with tour operators of Portugal to start a charter flight from Lisbon to Goa next tourist season. There was tremendous response from tour operators for the Goa Evening at the Lisbon International Travel Mart which ended on January 23, according to the Tourism Director, Mr N Suryanarayana. More than 200 tour operators participated and got their queries answered from the Goa representatives. (H) PANJIMITES CARE ABOUT.: Do Panjimites give damn about the International Film Festival, or restoration of heritage buildings? A telephone survey conducted jointly by "Panjim Plus" and "Gomantak Times" has turned out some interesting answers to these questions and more. While 84 per cent respondents agreed that restoration of heritage buildings was a good thing, only 51 per cent support the International Film festival slated to be held in the city. (GT) PLAN TO REHABILITATE BAINA SEX WORKERS: In a significant development, the Goa State Women's Commission and the Karnataka State Women's Commission have decided work jointly for the rehabilitation of commercial sex workers of the Baina red-light area. The GSWC chairperson, Ms Swati Kerkar told "The Navhind Times" that the sex workers given a chance, would like to give up the flesh trade and go for an alternate, more respectable mode of livelihood. (NT) CARNIVAL FEST: The four-day Carnival festivities in Panjim are scheduled to begin on February 21. The float parade this year will depict traditional floats as the festivities are aimed at reviving the Carnival of yester years. While last year 70 floats participated in the parade in Panjim, the Panjim Carnival Committee has sought for greater participation this year. (H) MUSIC FESTIVAL VENUE NAMED AFTER ALFRED ROSE: The Konkani Sangeet and Natak Academi announced that the venue of the second All India Konkani music festival, which will be held on 7 and 8 February at EDC grounds, Patto, will be named as Alfred Rose Nagar, in honour of Goa's legendary melody king. Alfred Rose, who passed away on 21 October 2003, had attended the first all India Konkani music festival in Margao in February 2002. He was honoured by the Konkani Bhasha Mandal for his immense contribution to Konkani. (GT) "APARANT MAAND" UNDERWAY: The second "Aparant Mand 2004", billed as Goa's biggest handicraft, art and cultural exposition, is underway at the Bodgeshwar Devasthan temple grounds in Mapusa. Out of the 120 stalls, nearly 100 have been put up by local artisans. (H) ARRESTED FOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC: The police booked a case against Jove D'Silva of Verem for playing amplified music at Osborne resorts, Calangute, on Thursday. He was, however, released on bail. (GT) NUVEM SARPANCH QUITS: The Sarpanch of Nuvem, Pasquinha Colaco, has quit office. Sources said the Sarpanch had expressed her willingness to quit office since she was unable to devote more time to the panchayat everyday. (H) ARPORA SARPANCH VOTED OUT: The Arpora-Nagoa sarpanch, Mr Agnelo D'Souza, and deputy Sarpanch, Ms Sarika Diukar, have lost the confidence motion by 4-3 votes at a special meeting held at the village panchayat office on January 23. Mr Salim Sayyed, Ms Anita Fernandes, Mr Shankar Vaigankar and Mr Pundalik Naik had moved a no-confidence motion against the sarpanch and the deputy sarpanch. It is learnt that Mr Sayyed will stake claim for the post of sarpanch while Ms Fernandes would be the deputy sarpanch. (NT) POWER DEPT TO BE UNBUNDLED: The state Power department will be unbundled into three separate organisations, one of which will definitely be a Public Limited Company, while the other two could be corporations. The entire process of corporatisation of the department has been scheduled for completion by 19 January 2005. (GT) KIDNEY RACKET: The arrest of Mumbai-based nephrologists Dr SP Trivedi by Mumbai police on Thursday, has unearthed a kidney sale racket which had even spread to Goa and three other states. Dr Trivedi would approach patients in need of kidneys and strike a deal with them. He would then contact Shivanand Kamath, who is now in police custody and had allegedly run the kidney racket in Goa, Maharashtra, Karnataka and Punjab for the last six years. The agents told the police that they were paid hefty commissions to induce poor people, specially pavement dwellers and beggars, into donating kidneys. The racketeers earned as much as Rs.2 lakh for every operation. (H) FOREIGNER KILLED: An unidentified foreigner was killed in a road mishap at Anjuna early Friday morning. He was found lying unconscious at G
[Goanet-news]Goanet Highlights - 1-15Jan04
Here are some interesting highlights from Goanet -- Goa's premiere mailing list that was established in 1994. Goanet is available in 3 formats: Goanet (10-15 emails per day) or Goanet-Digest (2-3 emails per day) or Goanet-News (1 email per day). You are presently subscribed to Goanet-News. If you would like to subscribe to Goanet or Goanet Digest on a trial basis, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or reply to this message requesting the same. Membership is FREE and you can cancel at any time! * Highlights for January 1 - 15, 2004 * The discussions in the first half of January revolved around many issues. Visits to Goa were definitely talked about. The lives - successes and shortcomings of Bl Jose Vaz and SFX were strongly debated too. Baina, Goa's red-light district was discussed. Another subject that drew quite a few responses was choosing a new word to replace Diaspora when we refer to the Goan Diaspora. The discussion on assembling a list of all Catholic last names from December 2003 ran-over into the New Year. The shortcomings and successes of the 2004 Gomant Vishwa Samelan Here are some highlights from the first forthnight of twenty-O-four: Wilma Pereira gives us her point of view as a reposte to Zarine Chinvala's opinion on how to handle the Baina issue. http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-December/008516.html As expected Wilma got her fair share of responses of opposing views on how to handle the situation. Bill Seixas wrote in supporting the search for a new word for Diaspora. Obviously some people want a more ethnic sounding name to represent us: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-December/008558.html A swell of responses of all colors followed.. http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008630.html http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008635.html http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008639.html and many-many more. A branch-off from the Catholic Surnames list, Kurt Fernandes wrote in about the same village name in two different regions of Goa: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008586.html Clinton put together a final list (who know's) of Catholic Surnames in Goa: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008588.html Romi script Konkani was another major subject this past forthnight. Dr. Teotonio contacted experts in Goa on this subject: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008591.html http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008628.html http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008633.html and there were many more messages discussing the intricacies of Konkani - Romi script. Been driving in Goa ?? Here's a thoughtful article from Dr. Cornel DaCosta: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008619.html A satirical article from Melissa on "The Minister's Birthday Bash": http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008673.html A critical article re the recently held Gomant Vishwa Sammelan: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008701.html Domnic Fernandes continues his daily Aichea Dissak Chintop (Thought for the Day). Now with English translations: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008658.html A fellow goan is requesting help in setting-up a business in Goa: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008716.html Of course Goanetters had their annual meeting in Goa. One on December 27 and the second one on January 7. Before attending either of these meetings Cecil Pinto was dreaming of the meeting in 3 posts: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008782.html http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008783.html http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008784.html More on Konkani. Dr. Teotonio writes about "Konkani disappearing in Goa?" http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008796.html And the responses http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008824.html http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008839.html http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008858.html Lino Dourado's Aitaracheo Kaskuleo: Amgele-Tumgele. Matxe-Matxe Korche: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008882.html Commentary from the Indian Express forwarded by George Pinto: Hindutva on the beach- Why tiny Goa is the poster state for a modern BJP : http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008902.html On the Compulsory Helmets issue, Aires Rodrigues writes: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008936.html And the responses he got: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008937.html http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008955.html http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-January/008988.html By this time in the month there was an active debate on Saint Francis Xavier. Did he request the Inquisition be brought to Goa, was he in Goa
[Goanet]first Goa Flower Show.
The Goa Flower Show The Goa Flower Show , a new event being promoted on fixed dates basis by the BOTANICAL SOCIETY OF GOA , took off from Friday 23 January,2004 at the MAPUSA RESIDENCY near Gandhi Chowk and KTC Bus Stand,Mapusa-Goa. In the "Potted Plants " competition held on the first day, the entries of the following persons were adjudged as winners:I. Anthuriums 1.Honorato Velho-Benaulim,2. Eugenio Misquita-Benaulim, 3.Herminia Mascarenhas-Benaulim; II.Orchids 1.Maggie D'Souza-Margao.; III. Chrysanthemums 1.Mahesh Bale-Margao, 2.Meeta Bale-Margao,3.Gregory Dias-Mapusa, joint 3rd. Purshottam Surlikar-Mayem; IV. Gerbera 1.Lisa D'Silva-Navelim, 2.Rosarinho D'Silva-Navelim. V.Perennial flowering plants 1.Honorato Velho-Benaulim, 2.Makarand Kamat-Bicholim, 3.Simon Misquita-Benaulim.The potted plants from growers were judged by a panel of experts from the three organizing agencies and consisted of Ana Dias e Camara, Olavio Fernandes(both Officers in the Directorate of Agriculture/BSG members),Rtn Rozendo Mendonsa( Rotary Club of Mapusa/BSG Vice-President) and Prakash Pednekar(Botanical Society of Goa). . Plants from plant nurseries were kept on display and not entered for the competition. Toyo Floriculture Co.-Quilon, Pretty Petals/Mr.Farmer-Panaji/Guirim/Mapusa, Vikas Nursery-Dhargal/Porvorim, Garden Glory Florist-Panaji/Mapusa, GodrejAgrovet Ltd.[Oil Palm Div]-Mumbai/Ponda and Gomay-Ponda/Salvador do Mundo have tastefully displayed their plants and garden inputs ,which are also on sale. The place will be humming with activity today with all the on-the-spot competitions, both for students and for adults in two separate catergories. Competitions in petals rangoli and shreephal decoration at 09.00A.M., bouquets and posies making at 10.00A.M., garland making at 11.30 A.M. and flower arrangements at 3.00 P.M. had the Mapusa Residency overflowing with competitor and curious onlookers.Students from schools and colleges from all over Goa have confirmed their participation. A demonstration of traditional and western flower arrangements by Daniel D'Souza, a plant enthusiast and BSG member who has learnt the ropes from Alan Rendall-Smith [the International Floral Ambassador of 'Oasis' Floral foam in March 1999] will be the grand finale of Saturday at 4.30 P.M Beautiful mementos ,designed by Rtn. Idrees Haaziq of Four Ways,Mapusa-Goa, and cash prizes will be awarded at the valedictory function on Sunday evening at 3.30 P.M. at the flowery venue. Adv.Francis D'Souza, MLA of Mapusa and Goa Minister for IT & Law, will be the Chief Guest. MAPUSA RESIDENCY is centrally located near the market and bus stand . The exhibition ground of the handicraft fair 'Aparant Maand' [set up GHRSSIDC Ltd. that got off the block with a grand start in the adjoining area. Flowers, floral foam and accessories, hand tools, manures,pesticides and inputs for garden flowering plants, pots,net pots and potted flowering plants,plantlets and seeds were on sale at the venue. The focus was on flowers and flower cultivation. The event is presented in association with the DIRECTORATE OF AGRICULTURE, GOA and ROTARY CLUB OF MAPUCA. Miguel Braganza Co-ordinator ,Goa Flower Show for Rotary Club and BSG Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 11/21/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 11/21/2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: State Bank of India, Margoa Branch e-mail address.
Hi Tony, You have several SBI branches in Margao. Branch Code : 512 Branch Name : MARGAO MAIN Tel 1 : (0832) 736102 Tel 2 : (0832) 722564 Branch Category: MAIN BRANCHFax : (0832) 732567 Address : MAIN BRANCH, E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Branch Code : 4167 Branch Name : PERSONAL BANKING BRANCH MARGAO Tel 1 : (0832) 700458 Branch Category: PERSONAL BANKING BRANCH Fax : (0832) 700457 Address : VIKRANT BUILDING, E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Branch Code : 3022 Branch Name : ADB MARGAO Tel 1 : (0832) 714883 Branch Category: AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT BRANCHFax : Address : LAXMI MAHAL, E-mail : Branch Code : 509 Branch Name : PANAJI MAIN BRANCH Tel 1 : (0832) 224662 Tel 2 : (0832) 226735 Branch Category: MAIN BRANCHFax : (0832) 226735 Address : MAIN BRANCH, E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To locate a SBI branch, visit: http://www.statebankofindia.com/branchlocator/branchlocator.asp Best wishes - Bosco On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:11:26 +0400, Tony Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would be obliged if anyone could send me the e-mail address of State Bank of India, Margao Branch. Tony Lobo ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: ---- KUWAITCHEM GOENKAR-------
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:21:47 + (GMT), James d'souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I AGREE WITH YOU 100% OUR GOANS ARE JUST LIKE THE CRABS IN THE PATULIM (BASKET) I WANTED TO WRITE IN kONKANI,BUT PEOPLE WILL LAUGH AT MY WRITING,GOOD JOB, VIVAGOA MOG ASSUM JAMES ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: DR J GERSON DA CUNHA
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:59:13 +0530 (India Standard Time), "Hansel D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I have created a website for my parish viz, www.churchofic.com During the process of collection of history of the church, I came across the name of Dr. Gerson da Cunha. I found alot of history that had been collected by Dr. Gerson. I would like some way to contact Dr. Gerson so that I could gather some more information for the church site. Thank you, Hansel ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]State Bank of India, Margoa Branch e-mail address.
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:11:26 +0400, Tony Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Greetings from Dubai, and a happy new year to you. I would be obliged if anyone could send me the e-mail address of State Bank of India, Margao Branch. Many Thanks Tony Lobo ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]SFX Expo Dates....???
Hello Goanetters, Can anyone inform the period or dates during when the SFX exposition will be held this year ? This will be useful for the Goan diaspora to plan their vacation/visit to Goa during this period. Viva Goa, Dillian ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet](no subject) Peter Gonsalves and Emilio Dias
Hello Peter, You've written an excellent reply to Emilio and others like him who have been angered by the Vatican. While I agree with your reasoning and sentiments, still, I have difficulty in understanding the human and divine processes at work at the Vatican. It is my opinion that as a human [imperfect]institution the Vatican, too, perpetuates some structures of sinfulness! Consequently, the faithful have many a reason to be angry with those structures and the Popes responsible for perpetuating them and have a right to express their rightful sentiments. May God's Holy Spirit, who transcends religions and religious affiliations, bestow upon us Her Light and Strength "where giving is infinite and forgiving is infinite." Ariosto Coelho ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Protestant/Evangelical Christianity in Goa
To answer Peter D'souza's question, there is a fairly large, albeit undocumented (in numbers) group of Evangelical and Pentecostal Christians in Goa. Some of them are part of churches planted by foreign missionaries and others like Cornerstone Fellowship (Margao) started by ex-Jesuit Victor Affonso, New Life Fellowship (one of the fastest growing Pentecostal churches in India), Good News Church (Margao) were started by churches in Bombay or other large metropolitan areas. Besides the churches I mentioned which on an average have 200 members and upward, there are a number of other fellowships (groups of Christians) that meet in homes all over Goa. These born-again Christians refer to themselves as 'believers' although I'm not sure if the group that Alfred deTavares is referring to calls themselves by that specific name or if that is the generic term being used to describe them. Re: Cradle to Grave security, perhaps he refers to the 'Eternal Security' doctrine which SOME evangelicals hold to. If you would like further information on this doctrine, please email me. I think you will find that the Pentecostal churches tend to outnumber the evangelicals. As a former member, I have a number of friends in Cornerstone Fellowship (Goa) and New Life (Bombay). I had the occasion when I was in Goa last Dec to go to a healing crusade organised by the Cornerstone Fellowship. The visiting preacher was from Canada. We didn't stay for the whole meeting but there were about 500 to 800 people that first night. If you need any contact information, I would be glad to try and obtain it for you. Please email me off-list for it. Daniel Soares Islip, NY ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]nothing against Sainthood issues
--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was hoping there > would be some informed > take on "do we need saints and what for?". I > therefore would dearly welcome > some knowledgeable comment on this aspect of my > question at least, and on > the specific concept of sainthood as distinguishable > from saints. > Cornel, First of all, thanks for making your underlying concerns clearer. It's hard to know how to reply and to whom to reply and what's going on in everyone's head. Therefore, I still recommend using the delete button for those who want to move on to other issues. All I can say is that saints just happen in all religions and non-religions - here we are talking about the formal canonization of saints by the Catholic Church. When I got interested in the truly wonderful life of Joseph Vaz and wanted him canonized, I honestly did not know what was involved in time, costs, consulting with others, interchanges on the topic etc. in order to get someone canonized. Now I know and think differently. A formal canonization is a matter of having the right connections in Rome, most often having the backing of a religious order or group, it takes I believe at least U.S. $2 million if not more, and many other factors to pull the whole thing off. Therefore, each person would have to decide for himself/herself whether this expensive process is worth it or not to have someone declared a "saint." Uncanonized saints happen, whether we want them or not. But we can decide whether we want to go through the bureaucratic channels to have a saint "canonized" which means being enrolled into the Catholic Calendar of Saints. Filomena __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Reply to Cornel - re: Saints
Cornel, I'm quoting two of your statements from two different posts: <<< Sainthood is not a concept and cause about which I personally can get excited about. >>> <<>> While religion is, for the most part deeply embedded in the Goan psyche (in my limited experience), discussion of religious issues like Sainthood in a public forum where there are Catholics, evangelicals, agnostics, atheists all participating, is bound to get responses that will stir some very strong feelings. Hear me out. I am not saying that religion should not be discussed at all. As long as the ground rules are clearly established and enforced and opinions are not summarily dismissed and motives are not judged, it is quite possible to have a civil discourse on the above topic but for this to happen, the moderators of the forum need to step in when tempers get heated and accusations start being levelled and names start being called. Even though I am evangelical and do not subscribe to the practice of praying to the Saints, I try to follow this thread because it gives me some understanding about how people feel. Daniel ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Rickshaws, Tricycles, Baby Taxis, Tuk Tuks, (Bajaj) Auto, Safa Tempo
All, This is me indulging in my idiosyncrasy of going after specifics. Those interested in going down my merry path read on. Others, please hit the delete key. Venantius Hello Nasci, Gabe et al, I was in Thailand in 2001 and yes they do refer to rickshaws as tuk tuk on account of their two stroke engines. This is the understood diminutive (in this case, as in affectionately) for the rickshaw in Thailand. They just dont shout it from the rooftops but you do hear the drivers say it. While in Thailand, I had confirmed whether what I was occassionaly hearing was indeed - tuk tuk, with my Thai friend Pharanai Suwannatat whose wedding I was there to attend. He affirmed. I also Iooked up the ubiquitous web for some references from Thais and those living in Thailand. The last piece is on South Asian tackling Rickshaw pollution. Now we may have our own legends - as the one which Nasci C mentioned of the sound made by the ticket punch used by ticket conductors on trams and buses in Bombay(Mumbai) of recent yore. But grant the Thai their tuk tuk. We can have our tuc tuc, khat khat, khit khit, tik tik, tick tock, dhoom dham, dham dhoom and other onomatopoeic variants. : ) Anyway, this was fun putting together. This is a site maintained by a Thai woman based in England. From: http://www.thaicorner.co.uk/theme_5.html Transport. Transport in Thailand is very cheap. Cheapest would be SAMLOS (bicycle powered rickshaws) followed by motorised rickshaws called tuk tuks because of the sound they make. Negotiate your fare in advance. To own your own TUK TUK, contact: Tuk Tuk Industry Thailand, 463-465 Prachathipok Road, Bangkok. http://www.tweak.com/vagabond/floppythai/chiangmai/tuktuk.html Good Site: http://www.thailand.com/travel/getthere/getthere_bangkok_around_tuktuk.htm http://www.gdrc.org/uem/sustran/stran-39.html 1. SOUTH ASIA STARTS TO TACKLE AUTO RICKSHAW POLLUTION Air pollution from South Asia's 3-wheeler taxis (known as Auto Rickshaws or "baby taxis") is prompting action. These vehicles are South Asia's version of Thailand's "Tuk Tuk" or the Philippines' "tricycles". In India, Bajaj auto, the manufacturer of the three wheeled autorickshaws, has announced that it will stop production of its two-stroke model, as it had developed a less polluting four stroke engine. In addition, a four stroke CNG autorickshaw is being released. The vehicle is claimed to deliver 50 km per kg of CNG. A three litre stand-by petrol tank is also included, for emergencies. Bajaj hopes to produce the vehicle at the rate of 1000 a month by July at its Pune plant. In Nepal, diesel-run auto-rickshaws, have been banned altogether after a campaign by environmentalists against them. They have been at least partially replaced by battery-operated three- wheelers, called "safa tempo" (clean tempo), which do not emit smoke or the loud noises associated with diesel auto-rickshaws. In Dhaka, about 400 auto rickshaw mechanics recently took part in the first of a series of training programs. It focused on maintaining and repairing engines, and advising drivers on the proper quality and quantity of lubricant oils. These are two simple practices that can drastically reduce emissions. For example, baby taxi drivers typically use as much as 10 percent four-stroke engine oil with their petrol. But by using only 3 percent of quality two-stroke engine oil, they could save money and reduce emissions. The workshops are being run by an NGO, the Society for Urban Environmental Protection and Uttara Motors, with funding from the World Bank and the Energy Sector Management Assistance Program, a global technical assistance effort funded by the World Bank, UNDP, and 15 public and private donors. There are an estimated 50,000 auto rickshaws in Dhaka, most of them using two-stroke engines. They contribute approximately 35 percent of particles and nearly half of hydrocarbons emitted by all vehicles. Sources: compiled from forwarded stories from Press Trust of India; BBC World Service News, and the World Bank's Daily Webzine, Development News, http://www.worldbank.org/developmentnews/ (this link is broken) Gabe and all interested persons, > >The word 'tuk tuk' in english and hinglish refers to the 'tuc tuc' sound >coming from the ticket punch used by tram and bus conductors in Bombay of >yore! My Maths and Science teacher, one Mr Keni also of Goan origin; used to >goad us to study and pass with distinction; saying that if not then the only >job possible would be that of 'tuc tuc' the tram conductor! And how right he >is and was too. I have travelled widely in Thailand, Burma and also in >Calcutta, where rickshas are plying; and they are not called 'tuc tuc'. I >hope this goes some way in clarifying this matter. >Bye. >Aum Tho Goenkar! Nasci. > >>From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: [Goanet]Rickshaw (TUK TUK) Goan Voice >>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:28:06 -000
Re: [Goanet]Re: Fr. Roger Lesser, Xavier, and Bl. Joseph Vaz
--- Alfred de Tavares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However, we may place our frustration over the delay > in a reasonable > prospective. That the process of Bl Jose Vaz has > been very much delayed is > true. However, it is hardly unique. Others, > sthalwarts of the Church have > been kept waiting far longer. > > Noteworthy, among them loom: Jesuit Peter Canisio, > contemporary of St > Ignatius, one of the greatest theologians to combat > Lutheranism, died 21 > December 1597. Cd 1925. > > Thomas More and John Fisher: Both defied Henry Vlll > so heroically, were > martyred 1535; cd 1935. > > John Britto, Jesuit, martyred in Madura, Madras, > 1693; Cd 1947 > Dear Alfred, These examples of long-delayed canonizations are not new to us - we have consulted the history books, canon lawyers, historians, bishops, cardinals, postulators and the like. The case of Joseph Vaz is unique as Archbishop Henry D'Souza of Calcutta clearly said in Rome in 2000 because it was affected by past church policy on canonizations. He would not have agreed with you that the delay for Joseph Vaz' canonization was reasonable and said it publicly. Filomena __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Manuel Antonio de Sousa
Dear Dr. Teotonio, The commemoration in Lourenço Marques (now Maputo) was promoted by the "Instituto Goano de Lourenço Marques" which was founded in 1905 and of which Paulo Nazário Pinto was the President in 1930 (year of its silver jubilee) and maybe also in 1935 (year of the birth centenary of Manuel António de Sousa). MAS was at some time elected "sócio benemérito" of the Institute. Paulo Nazário Pinto, whom I knew personally and whose only son is a pharmacist and lives in Lisbon, was one of distinguished personalities of the Goan community of that city, where he owned a pharmacy, the "Farmácia Internacional" in the "Baixa" and a very good residential house in the city's posh Sommerschield ward. Could you send me that scanned image file which you received? I will then be able to see whether that portrait in military costume is identical to the one I have. BTW did you notice that the first letter of each line of Paulo Nazário Pinto's poem (I have no idea why he wrote it in Konkani) goes on to form the full name of MAS? - It would indeed be interesting to know what wordings were engraved on the MAS pedestal in Mapusa and whether there was any poem in Konkani there. Jorge Teotonio R. de Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on January 22, 2004: > > I am sorry I did not see your MAS-II before earlier response. Who promoted > the 1935 commemoration? Any ideia who was Paulo Nazario Pinto? Why did he > write in Konkani? I wish the pedestal of the Mapusa statue had a Konkani > poem on it? > > I have come to know of a *Esboço biographico de Manuel Antonio de Sousa (no > Author mentioned), published at Rangel Press of Bastora in 1905, pp. 32, > with a portrait of MAS in military uniform. I have just received the scanned > image file of it. I wonder if it corresponds with the one you mention of > 1935 publication. > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]APARANT MAAND - display of traditional Goan crafts at Mapusa Goa
The four day 23rd to 26 Jan 2004 "APARANT MAAND" 2004 got of to a belated start at 6.45 p.m. instead of 4.00 p.m. at the Sri Bodgeshawar Devasthan grounds at Mapusa. The expo intended to showcase handicrafts art and culture had just 54 stalls displaying the same the others like solar heaters automobiles kitchen appliances were celarly out of place. The dusty storm played spoil sport and many of those exhibiting their wares had a tough time. CM Manohar Parrikar inaugurated the function and introduce "diwza" as the traditional Goan product to be presented as State momentos for future. Mr Ramnath Shet from Chaudi Usgao gave a presentation of making clay items at a specially erected Maand. The settings were tastefully decorated. Mr Vasant Mahalshi from Shristhal Canacona with a 30 member troupe of women agricultural labour under the banner "Nuvem Shristhal Lok Kala Patak "presented a colourful dance. But the winds did not allow the "divlis" to glow. Speaking to this writer Mr Mahalshi stated that his troup performs "dhalo fugdi Tonia, mel, goft, Ghode, Modni at several cultural functions. "In fact we are now being noticed" he added. While Mr Damodar Naik Chairman of Goa Handicrafts Rural and Small Scale Industries Development Corporation GHRSSIDC demanded that funds be made available to enhance the scope of artisans coming forward CM Mr Manohar Parrikar canvassed actively for his CM Rojgar Yojana which is intended to help those who lacked finance and others who had problems of storage. Unlike the Banks who ask for guarantors collateral security etc his scheme was more flexible he said. He was confident that 14 Corporations are steering towards profitablity and atleast 4 or 5 were definitely like GHRSSIDC and GTDC were showing positive signs. The first exhibition of this kind was organised last year at Fatorda in South Goa. The credit goes to Mr Damodar Naik the CM added. Most of the artisans who this writer spoke to had actually undertaken the activites on their own they are registered with the Corporation but have yet to avail assistance others sell their products to them. Given the Lok Sabha elections the organisor have spared no efforts to ensure that the CM's and MP North Goa Shripad Y Naiks photographs have been prominently displayed on posters and stuck on State Transport buses. Election stunt one wonders. Mr Damodar Naik Chairman GHRSSIDC speaking to this writer when pointed out that the automobiles stall displayed at the vintage spot marred the otherwise beautiful settings, explained that they had sponsored part of the expo and therefore they ought to be given prime spots. Mr S Y Shirodkar Manager GHESSIDC agreed that the exhibits should be on permanent display he said two such spots were earlier located but abandoned by previous Governments. CM Parrikar however assured that this budget will give a boost to traditional crafts. He demanded that Ganesh idols only of clay and not of Plaster of paris be used not owing to environmental concerns but Goa was a mine of traditional artisans. It was sad to see that people from Rajasthan and Kashmir sold products in Goa whereas Goans are not aware where the traditional items are made. The idea was to spread the artisans so that the Baga Candolim Calangute belt does not experience the traffic jam one witnessed this Christmas season he said. A directory was being compiled. There was a grand display of fireworks. He lamented that while artisans from other states filled the Campal grounds Goan artisans niether had an opportunity to diplay the same nor had moved outside the state in the past. The CM visited all the stalls and evinced keen interest specially the aritisans and self help groups. The first day was a poor response being a week end and friday bazaar but one can expect it to pick up in the days to come. from the Bodgeshwar grounds Godfrey J. I Gonsalves Borda Margao Goa Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]BENEVANGELISTOS TIATRO IN KUWAIT
BENEVANGELISTOS TIATRO IN KUWAIT All preparations are underway for staging Benevangelistos well acclaimed tiatro DEVAK ZAI ZALEAR in Kuwait on 13th of next month at Indian Arts Circle Funaitees, starting at 3.30 p.m. Beautiful handbills showing attractive photographs of the artistes are already released today near the Church and displayed and pasted at some of the strategic locations in Kuwait. Gate Passes are already available at Raja Stores and with the organizers. These days there is nothing but talk of Devak Zai Zalear tiatro and all the lovers of tiatro are anxiously awaiting to see this tiatro. Those who are come forward to help Benevangelisto to stage this tiatro in Kuwait are very busy with the task ahead and they will leave no stone unturned to attain success for this tiatro. The organizers besides being charismatic people, as per my information, are assured total support by the tiatro lovers in Kuwait, including Goan Organisations and Clubs. Secondly, this is the first time after a long gap a tiatro troupe is coming to Kuwait and because of this tiatro lovers are anxiously awaiting seeing this tiatro of Ben. About Benevangelisto, he is known as Goas best character comedian having won many times best comedian awards. He rose into fame with his master piece tiatro KIDD. The other masperpiece tiatro of his was CHONDRIM Gulf is not new for him as he already has acted in Kuwait a number of times earlier. A year back in KKK organized Songit Sanz his character role as Garamae and a solo as Elvis Presely surely mesmerized the hall packed audience. Billed as seasons best tiatro in Goa, Ben will this time perform super character role of late Jacinto Vaz and will render much admired song of Jacinto Vaz Abi Tum Lok Bombay Deko. This song has recently won him innumerable fans in Dubai where he participated in Mario Menezes tiatro. The other aritstes who deserve mention are versatile Felcy one of the most experienced and seasoned females of Goan stage whose acting and singing styles are unique; Rosy Alvares belonging to the clan of Alvares family that has given so much for Konkani stage. Rosy Alvares beautiful looks, smart way of singing and very good acting will surely delight the audience. As it is Rosy Alvares has recently won the prestigeious Gulab award for being the best actress of 2002. She will pair with one of the giants of Konkani Stage Mario Menezes and both of them will do justice to their roles. Father and son duo of Young Chico and Jr. Chico first time in Kuwait will perform together and as promised they will capture the hearts of the audience by rendering best of songs as never sung before. As per the organisers, Jr. Chico will devote his best of talents only for this show along with his father. Mathew Araujo de St. Cruz, the best actor award winner of Gulab will do his role in a style totally different from what normally done by normal actors. Baby Hayzel the daughter of well known stage artiste Milagres de Chandor will perform her role to the best of her abilities and since she is the daughter of Milagres de Chandor, surely all eyes will focus on her tenderness. Comedian Sally who is having a vast following in Kuwait need no much elaboration but along with Benevangelisto and tall boy comedian Boney (Colva) will keep the audience at the edge of their seats. Ben will perform a unique role in which audience will see him as the tallest man on the stage. Connie M. of Fantasy Band fame will render best of his solos, so also Lawry. Especial musicians will accompany the troupe from Goa and hence musical part will be taken care of nicely. Additionally, local artistes will also perform in this tiatro the main one being by public demand Michael DSilva whose enormous following in Kuwait will give extra boost to this tiatro. Since this tiatro will comprise best of artistes consisting of best of singers and performers of character roles, the audience will surely get fabulous entertainement. One will hav feast of songs namely solos, duos, duets, trios etc. For Entry Passes or for any other information contact the organizers on Tel. Nos. 7808473 & 9531863. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet](no subject)
From: "Peter Gonsalves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet](no subject) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:07:32 +0100 Dear Emilo Dias, I have received your article on the Vatican and Racism. Will an Indian ever become a Pope? Never! Why? Cos he will not agree to being stripped naked in front of Cardinals, before the white smoke goes up. Why are popes stripped naked before, being declared Pope, (Ask ur Cardinal, if he will talk to u!). Emilo Joe Dias. The allegation is based on another rumoured Vatican gossip (there are tons of which) that an English woman, Joan, succeeded, under male disguise, in getting elected pope. Alfred _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Helmets
Salus Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I live in Melbourne, and cyclists over here have to > use helmets too. It is > a good idea to use the helmets when riding on any > two wheeler, motorised or > not. Somehow Goans in Goa seem to be having a > problem with that, and we > find it hard to understand why. Safety starts with > self, and I think the Government is right in > putting its foot down with the helmet law. Salus, I was out skiing last week. A father and his five year old son were waiting infront of me for the next ski chair to arrive. As the chair approached, the two of them tried to move forward to the line where they needed to be to get on the chair. As they were moving forward, the five year old slipped and the ski lift swung forward at the exact same time and hit the child on the head. The child was thrown five feet with the impact. Luckly for both of them, ski helmets are compusory for kids here in Canada. Else, that ski trip could have turned into a life long disaster for the two of them. Mervyn __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Protestant/Evangelical Christianity in Goa
During the last couple visits to Goa, I have been surprised with a Gulf-imported sect called "The Believers". However, I din't probe into their beliefs, having been in no condition to believe in anything much. But, it was a growing movement, allegedly offering their members enviable insurence, most importantly temporal, something like craddle-to-grave sucurity. I would like to learn about them. Alfred From: Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Protestant/Evangelical Christianity in Goa Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:53:36 -0500 Greetings, I have been asked by friends here in the U.S.A. whether there was any kind of evangelical Christian movement in Goa similar to the one in Brasil. Last I'd heard--about 15 years ago--there were a hundred or so evangelical Christians (mostly ex-Catholics) in Goa. Could somebody provide me feedback on the current state of protestantism in Goa? (Off list..if you prefer) Many thanks, Peter D'Souza _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Alfred's acronym's
Predictably, on the nail, Jorge! Abracos á vós, Alfred From: "Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: Alfred's acronym's Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:05:12 +0100 - Original Message - From: Bosco D'Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:16 AM Subject: [Goanet]Re: Alfred's acronym's > Hi Alfred, > > Who was GBS and what was the O.P. campaign ?? > > Thanks - Bosco > GBS = George Bernard Shaw. O.P. = Opinion Poll. Am I correct, Alfred? Jorge _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Helmets
Hello Cecil, I live in Melbourne, and cyclists over here have to use helmets too. It is a good idea to use the helmets when riding on any two wheeler, motorised or not. Somehow Goans in Goa seem to be having a problem with that, and we find it hard to understand why. Safety starts with self, and I think the Government is right in putting its foot down with the helmet law. It is also high time safety conciousness and awareness arrives in the various industries in Goa. Over here all factory workers have to wear steel capped safety shoes and safety glasses at all times while on the factory floor. A lot of minor and major accidents are thus averted. So after the helmet issue, maybe the next thing on the Government's agenda could be the introduction of 'Safety at the workplaces', and this should also include the many garages all over the place. Salus >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:50:47 +0530 >From: Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Goanet]Are helmets compulsory for cyclists abroad? >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Recently my cousin from Toronto sent me photos of his kids riding their >bicycles in his own driveway with helmets on!! He tells me it is compulsory >to wear helmets even within one's own private protected property! >Are there such helmet rules for cyclists (non-motorised) in countries other >than Canada? Would appreciate some input from GoaNetters based abroad. >Cecil ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Rickshaw (TUK TUK) Goan Voice
Hi Gabe and all interested persons, The word 'tuk tuk' in english and hinglish refers to the 'tuc tuc' sound coming from the ticket punch used by tram and bus conductors in Bombay of yore! My Maths and Science teacher, one Mr Keni also of Goan origin; used to goad us to study and pass with distinction; saying that if not then the only job possible would be that of 'tuc tuc' the tram conductor! And how right he is and was too. I have travelled widely in Thailand, Burma and also in Calcutta, where rickshas are plying; and they are not called 'tuc tuc'. I hope this goes some way in clarifying this matter. Bye. Aum Tho Goenkar! Nasci. From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]Rickshaw (TUK TUK) Goan Voice Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:28:06 - 21 Jan. Stroud News & Journal. Janet and Brian Bowkett, loved their Goa holiday so much that they bought back a brand new motorised rickshaw - or tuk-tuk as they are known in India - as a memento of their trip. It cost them £4,000. See : http://www.thisisstroud.com/stroud/news/NEWS10.html Question: I always thought that Tuk Tuk was the name given to the rickshaw in Bangkok. Can any Goa resident tell me if Rickshaws as called Tuk Tuk in India as well? ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Excerpt from the Daily Telegraph. Re. SFX. (Goan Voice latest)
The Daily Telegraph source is bonkers, whatever that means.
St Francisco Xavier's body was hardly a gift from Cosimo. The silver casket
that contains the body was, I believe. The sarcophagus is also fine
florentine work, Tuscan artisans having been brought over for the purpose.
Had the Medici had any say in the matter the relics might have lain in their
chapel, under the altar Michaelangelo designed for Il Magnifico.
Dates are also wrong. His body was translated to Goa, having earlier been
translated from his original grave on Sangchwan to Malacca, all within under
two decades. The process for canonization, which involved lengthy medical
examinations as well as transfer of an arm and various other body-parts to
Lisbon and Rome was accomplished much under 150 years.
SFX died, accompanied by a Goan-mestizo ("half-caste", in most records), at
the age of 46, December 3, 1552, and canonized 1622.
May he bless us all!
Alfred de Tavares
Stockholm, 2004-01-23
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Subject: [Goanet]Excerpt from the Daily Telegraph. Re. SFX. (Goan Voice
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:17:31 -
17 Jan. The Daily Telegraph. (London). Perhaps the finest example of
baroque
architecture in India is the Basilica of Bom Jesus, in Goa. The church is
the resting place for the remains of the 16th-century saint, Francis
Xavier,
who was credited with sundry miracles including raising the dead. His body
was brought to Goa almost 150 [sic] years after his death, a gift from
Cosimo III de' Medici, the Grand Duke of Tuscany.
The feast of St Francis Xavier, celebrated on December 3, attracts
thousands
of pilgrims. However, many hold that the saint initiated the 16th-century
inquisitions, resulting in the destruction of Hindu temples and "infidels"
being burned alive.
Cheers,
Gabe Menezes.
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[Goanet]info request
Dear Madam , Dear Sir first of all i want to intoduce myself briefly : my name is Alain SCHULTZ , i am french , 38 years old ,married without children for the time being ; i have been working for Air France Cargo for 13 years , before that i have been working for 2 years in a 4 star hotel as a receptionnist ; my wife is a chief waitress in a restaurant and has a professionnel degree in that field ; actually i contact you to ask you for an information : we would like to establish in Goa and build a new life in your country as we do not see any good future for us here and therefore decided to emigrate to Goa ; our idea is to buy a big house or something like that and to do a guesthouse , so to work in the turism offering acco modation with a good standing with quality but with average prices ; of course all this in the local style and so on ; Goa is interesting too because first the area is pleasant and sunny and then on the economic and turistic point of view it is a very developing region with a lot of opportunities and the state of Goa , i think , is one of the healthiest state in India ; on an other point of view Goa has a very special position in India with very specific traditions and past which is very interesting and caught our attention . my problem at the moment i do not know whom to contact in order to know how to do for all procedures to establish in Goa : could you help me giving me contacts at local administrations' ? the best would be email in Goa . so our different questions are as follows : 1/ is it possible for us to immigrate to Goa ? 2/ is it possible for a foreigner to buy real estate in Goa to grant an enterprise like a guesthouse ? 3/ what are the different steps we have to do ? etc... i hope you can help me giving me good tips and emails looking forward to hearing from you soon best regards - have a nice day Alain Schultz L'acces immediat aux meilleurs tarifs Air France et au billet electronique sur http://www.airfrance.com For immediate access to the best Air France fares and to electronic tickets, visit our website http://www.airfrance.com Les donnees et renseignements contenus dans ce message sont personnels, confidentiels et secrets. Ce message est adresse a l'individu ou l'entite dont les coordonnees figurent ci-dessus. Si vous n'etes pas le bon destinataire, nous vous demandons de ne pas lire, copier, utiliser ou divulguer cette communication. Nous vous prions de notifier cette erreur a l'expediteur et d'effacer immediatement cette communication de votre systeme. The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity adressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Short history of the Sanctuary of Blessed Joseph Vaz
Here is the website address for the Goanetters and others who are interested to know something about the life and work of Blessed Joseph Vaz. www.frjosephvazgoa.com Simon ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Fw: [Goanet]FREE Trip to Anjediva/Karwar with/without Navy's permission.
You are right. He replies only to certain type of emails. Send him an email informing him that you wish to install machinery/plant for garbage disposal in Goa. Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]FREE Trip to Anjediva/Karwar with/without Navy's permission. > Thanks Filomena & others. > > No, I did not see CM of GOA but sent several emails as > an individual plus as a Goan-NRI group owner > Estd.Aug/2003(277 members). It seems, he treats all > our mails as 'junk mail' never got any reply since > Aug. last year. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Bogus News
---"BHANGAR TUKA" FOR KUWAIT: Rafael de Majorda is proceeding to Kuwait with his Konkani tiatr "Bhangar Tuka Dilem", which will be staged on February 13 at the Indian Art Circle, Fanaitees, Kuwait, under the production of Hilton de Assolna and his troupe, which includes Ana Pereira, Sharon, Wilmix, comedian Ben Envangelisto, Platilda, comedian Sally, Marcelin de Betim and Prem Kumar. (H) --- The above news item appeared in this forum on Goacom Daily News Clippings by Joel D'Souza on 21.1.04. By reading this news item many people in Kuwait are surprised. The above news item is fake news, there is no truth in it. I have already sent my reply to Herald on this news item and I am awaiting their response. Meantime let me state here why I say the said news item is fake. First of all on 13th February i.e. next month one Tiatro is already fixed at Indian Arts Circle and that tiatr "Devak Zai Zalear" is of Ben Evangelisto who is coming to Kuwait along with his 15 member troupe. Ben coming to Gulf tour and first stage will be in Kuwait. Secondly, Rafael de Majorda is no more in Kuwait. Thirdly Hilton de Assolna's name is unnecessarily involved. It is my sincere request to all those who are involved in releasing news on Goan community affairs in Kuwait to make it doubly sure that what they publish is genuine. Currently in Kuwait we have fake writers and the hero of all of them is one Webster from Bardez having Camellian height but cockroachian brain. He is very well versed in changing email addresses under different names and yet pretends to be totally innocent. Once when I suspected him of his involvement in such acts of Dr. Jeckeyl and Mr. Hyde he flatly denied. He is such a rascal Goan that his only motto is to bring about disgrace on Goan community. He thinks he is Frank Moraes of Kuwait Goans but in reality he is nothing. His only job is to "Cut the matter from X source and Paste it on his Y source". Even some of my articles without my consent he plaguiarised thereby proving that he is nothing but a big "Chor". Because he is coward to face certain persons, he is pushing either others or coming out with fake names. The entire Goan community knows his chickanery. Almost all the cyber persons and owners and administrators of Websites know that this Webster is a crook. Many times owners and administrators of Goan Websites told me of chickanery of this Webster. He is not a sincere person to any one, NOT EVEN TO HIS WIFE. In the past he tried his best by writing fake news to stop me from writing but he is a fool. Because he is a chickaner, once he was disgracefully sacked from one organisation. For the time being I stop here but only hope he will act saner henceforth otherwise he will not only bring himself into disrepute but also the forum where he is involved. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: HPSF Testcase on HEAD
> No insults, please! :-) I am not working under Windows but instead I use a real > operating system: Linux. > Sorry :) .. but can you send me the copy of the file you have zipped up? I want to compare.. I am not certain that its not been messed by CVS. Also, what's your LANG setting? Regards - Avik > The test case giving you problems is not yet as sophisticated as it should be. > Depending on the locale it works or not. This must be changed. I think HPSF should > check whether a encoding succeeded and should throw an appropriate exceptions if the > character in question cannot be mapped to a byte using a certain encoding. > > BTW, if you (or I or whoever) solve that you'll encounter the next test case that > fails. This is also nothing dramatically wrong but just a nit to pick. This stuff is > really not yet completed (the test cases, not the implementatiion, I suppose). > > Best regards > Rainer Klute > >Rainer Klute IT-Consulting GmbH > Dipl.-Inform. > Rainer Klute E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Körner Grund 24 Telefon: +49 172 2324824 > D-44143 Dortmund Telefax: +49 231 5349423 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]Posting on Anjediva/Karwar
Dear all, Please bear with me if the above subject posting/mails repeatedly flooding your 'inbox'. It will only continue say upto 2nd February 2004. Thanks for your patience and understanding. Joegoauk = Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]FREE Trip to Anjediva/Karwar with/without Navy's permission.
Thanks Filomena & others. No, I did not see CM of GOA but sent several emails as an individual plus as a Goan-NRI group owner Estd.Aug/2003(277 members). It seems, he treats all our mails as 'junk mail' never got any reply since Aug. last year. Also, wrote to Herald/Navhind times. Right now I am in UK, soon going to GOA and I will definetly see him this time.hope its not too late. However,I could have seen him during my past visits to GOA. I do admit. But I realy thought something will come out... as other orgns./people like hetapadit@/ Godfreyji etc also dealing with this case. If any one wishes to contact me .. Just txt me and I will call back soon. >From Goa: 9822161766 (roaming)No calls please as it will cost Rs.100 per minute for incomming call only and I have very little credit bal. left and I can not top-up here) >From UK etc:(0044)7764982450 with landline No or 02 No). click & join.. http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Filomena Giese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:--- Joegoa wrote: > Our last chance to show our support (to save the > church/Monument). > > All RELIGION WELCOME. > > WITH permission: Straight to the Island (+see > without). > WITHOUT : Up to karwar, Binaga beach (where island > can > be viewed from a distant), karwar church... and may > be > on our way back- stop at palolem beach). > Dear Joe and all on this trip, I doubt whether Navy bureaucrats mean any harm but they don't appreciate history, architecture, etc. Have you tried contacting someone higher up, or the CM's of Karnataka or Goa? Some advance planning is needed to get the wheels turning for such matters. My best wishes, Filomena __ = Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Dear Emilo Dias, I have received your article on the Vatican and Racism. I do agree that there are many more saints from Italy, Spain and Europe than anywhere else in the world. The reason is because of their proximity and influence in church matters till barely 75 years ago - when the Vatican state was created, conceding power and prestige to the newly formed democracies all over Europe (cf. Lateran Pact of 1929) Metaphorically speaking, yes, there are more Italian saints than people attending Italian church services. Perhaps, you would be much nearer the mark if you said there are more Italian saints than there are Italian children! But a change has indeed occurred, which your brief article has not taken cognisance of. In just 25 years, John Paul II has changed the mentality of the church of Jesus Christ from one that was very Italian (or European) in outlook to one that embraces the whole world. He is responsible for the beatification and canonisation of more non-Italian saints than any other pope in history out of the 474 new saints he has canonised (474 new saints in all. Between 1588 and 1978, the total number of saints canonized was 296. source CNS). He has left the Vatican more than a hundred times to reach out to people all over the world and to make the public statement that the church of Jesus includes all peoples. His encyclicals and documents that embrace the world speak for themselves. For those who have eyes to see, the Holy Spirit is changing the face of the church - which means changing you and me and making us his people less prejudiced, less closed in on our cultures and our interests, less 'anti' and more 'pro' peoples wherever the are found... We need to be part of this 'wind-sweep' that is revolutionizing our narrow thinking... (Joseph Vaz left the konkan shores to serve a people of a different culture and disguised as one of those who we consider the lowest even today!) I can understand your anger at the slow process of the canonisation of Joseph Vaz, and I do feel it myself. But your article expresses more than just your anger it reveals, sadly, a type of irresponsible sensationalism that could well be accredited to anti-christian fundamentalistic diatribe. You have written about faith in Joseph Vaz with an attitude that negates all he ever stood for - faith in the Holy Spirit that has power over bureaucracy - something that exists in our sometimes all too human church. The truth is much more subtle and difficult to recognize as it is much more diffult to accept. If the church were perfect, Emelia, you and I would not belong! Let's stop the venom of divisive thinking. Now more than ever we need to be united in promoting the cause of Joseph Vaz with patience and solidarity with those who may not understand our urgency - even if they be at the Vatican. We need to be more united in contributing towards the defraying the huge costs involved in the making of a saint. We need to be united in praying for that one important miracle that will help Joseph Vaz make that leap to sainthood. We need to keep hoping that his documents, lost somewhere in the thousands of files from a sea of one billion believers that look forward to the making of their own saints, may be moved ahead so that sometime soon, the whole church will have St. Joseph Vaz. Peter Gonsalves, SDB www.sdb.org ___ Hi Goanetters, Indian and African priests treated as doormats? who said that! A doormat will always be a doormat. As they say in Indian Culture, beating a donkey will not make it a horse. In the same way, if the Indian priests in Rome are not going to fight for us from the inside, then we have to fight from the outside. Fr Agnelo and Pr Jose Vaz has given us faith and Filomena says 'stop it ', NO we can't. and we will not, Those who tell us to stop, HAVE THEY READ THE LIFE OF Fr JOSE VAZ? Lobbying the Vatican is not going to help. Sri Lankas and Goans should boycot the church. (which will never happen I know - just a thought). That will soon make the Vatican make a U turn. Look at Europe, the pews are empty, churches are turned into Taverns, but the saints are full, they are every where and more and more white saints are created WHY? No money coming in. There are so many white saints they THEY are now praying to the people to fill the pews in chuches. 39 Married Popes. Julius the third collected a Male prostitute from the street and mad him a Cardinal. Pious the III and Inocent the VI having illegitimate Children. Just to mention a few, of the atrocities. Vatican Stincks. There was a time when only Italians could become a Pope. Pio who was refused priesthood cos he was a dim witt who put acid on his hands to immitate Jesus is made a Saint, ITALIAN! Will an Indian ever become a Pope? Never! Why? Cos he will not agree to being stripped naked in front of Cardinals, before the white smoke goes up. Why are popes stripped naked before, being declared
[Goanet]Darya Sangam - explanation in anagram form
Jorge de Abreu Noronha wrote: Could Joel, Cecil or anybody else clarify what "Darya Sangam" is? I had never heard or read of a place or locality named thus. I guess it is part of Campal, a stretch by the river front in Panjim, and that the expression (nothing to do with Cecil's business!) is in Marathi or Hindi; and I imagine that "Darya" actually stands for the Konkani word "Dorya" (= Sea). If so, shouldn't it have been "Nhoim" or "Nodi" which means "River" in "amchi bhas"? And what is "Sangam"? Shouldn't "river front" be "nhoim fuddo" or "nodi fuddo" in Goa's language? Jorge --- Dear Mr. Noronha, The Campal river/sea front is very difficult to demarcate. When a 5 Star Hotel comes up in the area it is defined as a 'river front' to get past the building ban on the sea front. For other technical reasons it is variously defined as a sea, river, rivulet and stream. Below are a few anagrams for 'Darya Sangam' for you to understand better. Say "A Grandma" A NY gas drama Mad angry aas A Madras yang To answer your query in Hinglish, the anagram below is sufficient: Damn Sagar ya! Cheers! Cecil === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
