Re: [Goanet]Re: Full text of Dr Helekar's Introductory Speech to the Goenchem Prize
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:00:44 -0800 (PST), Filomena Giese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume that all those on the selection Committee and the presenters like Dr. Basilio Monteiro have given up their religious beliefs which are basically superstitions and myths, as well as devotion to religious idols and icons, not to mention the campaigns of disinformation on matters like miracles. Hi Filomena: Happy New Year to you and to everyone else! The short response to you comment is, as we know very well, the selectors of saints don't have to be saints themselves. I will give you the long answer, if required, when I have some free time. But briefly, the prize to which you are referring is not about personal beliefs. It is about harmful public consequences of actions based on personal beliefs. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] science, faith and religion - everthing explained
In a message dated 11/14/2003 8:50:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not really. The proponents of a certain theory, have absolute faith in their theory. Evidence that proves otherwise, does not necessarily diminish their faith in this theory. Only some proponents - not all. And nobody takes them seriously until evidence indicates that they are right. Those theories that are contradicted by objective evidence are rejected by science, regardless of the faith, stature or eminence of their proponents. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Nonsense of which I speak
Sachin Phadte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologise to Santosh if I gave impression that I have called his statement nonsense. All that I said was that if examples are given we can deal with them. Sachin, No need to apologize. I got exactly what you were trying to say. That is why I provided a couple of specific examples in a follow-up post. If you missed that post, here are those examples, along with four additional ones. 1. Passing of a law to ban cow slaughter. 2. Forcing universities to teach Vedic astrology. 3. Deleting important historical facts from NCERT high school textbooks because they are hurtful to Hindu pride. 4. Inserting Hindu mythological events as historical facts in these textbooks. 5. Inserting fabricated religious nonsense into these textbooks, such as Homer cribbed from Ramayana to write his Iliad. 6. Forcing the Archeological Survey of India to authenticate that the Babri Masjid was a Ram Mandir. Here are links to two scholarly articles on how pervasive and blatant this religious manipulation of public policy, education and academic research has become, in our homeland today: http://www.safarmer.com/frontline/Har2.pdf http://www.ercwilcom.net/indowindow/sad/article.php?child=29article=27 I doubt there is anybody on Goanet who would want to defend such practices - even among the religious types, although I realize that the latter may be simply because this manipulation is not Biblical in nature. People tend to be very hypocritical in such matters, especially the fundamentalists. They only speak of secularism when somebody else is trying to impose their religious ideas on them, not when they are trying to do the same on others. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Bogus Therapies
In a message dated 8/19/2003 12:20:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Paddydes writes: What is perceived as safe and effective could actually be bogus and far more dangerous, like the once wonder drug ACTH, and more recently Resulin (sp)? commonly prescribed for blood pressure. The above information is false. ACTH is a hormone present in every normal human being. Deficiency of ACTH can lead to serious illness and death if not treated. Rezulin was a drug used in the treatment of type 2 diabetes. It became obsolete because modern medical scientists and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration evaluated its safety using the scientific method, and found that there was a reasonable doubt about its safety. On the other hand, in Ayurveda there is a drug called cowdung (which was used by our grandfathers and great grandfathers, and their wives) which has been found to be quite unsafe even by anecdotal evidence. But it has still not become obsolete. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Santosh S. Verses
In a message dated 8/17/2003 3:14:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please pause for a moment and review what you write before you make blatant statements and cry foul that people are unjustly accusing you. I would just like to say that I have no interest any more in responding to the baseless accusations being made against me on a regular basis by Joe Vaz. I won't be surprised if he accuses me of murder someday. I would also like to state again that this man does not know me, and is incapable of understanding my viewpoint. I hope you will disregard everything he says about me. I have made my positions on all issues as clear as is possible for me to do in this forum over the past eigth years. All my posts are archived on the new and old Goanet sites. Anybody who wants to read them is welcome to do so. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Kettle calling the teapot 'black'
In a message dated 8/18/2003 4:50:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not know if a Salazar apologist qualifies to be a judge of journalism in Goa. I too want to state that the judgments passed on Frederick Noronha are grossly unfair. To me Frederick is a fine journalist, and an extremely hardworking and devoted man, who has contributed a great deal to the cyberGoan community. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: last name
In a message dated 8/15/2003 11:16:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Paddydes writes: You have disregarded the Goanet Rule for 'maintaining the thread' by constantly changing the subject line. I checked the Goanet rules, and asked for the opinion of a Goanet administration team member. There is no such rule as stated above. I have violated no rule. If someone can point out such a rule that I have violated, I will gladly apologize for doing it. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]bogus therapies
In a message dated 8/15/2003 10:26:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Paddydes writes: Strangely, people can misconstrue it based upon what they want to read into it and then count you as their supporters :( This is exactly the problem with Paddy and people who think like him. For them the world is divided into supporters and opponents. Supporters are supposed to applaud each other and opponents are supposed to abuse each other. They cannot conceive of the possibility that someone on one side of an argument would commend another on the opposite side just because he/she makes a valid point. To me Allwyn is doing a splendid job because he raises substantive issues that can be debated in a civilized manner. He has done it regarding bogus therapies, and also regarding what constitutes historical fact. I agree with him on the latter issue and disagree with him on the former. I don't care if he is my supporter or not. To me it is not either with us or with the terrorists. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Santosh S. Verses.
In a message dated 8/15/2003 6:00:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank your stars that you can say what you say, by staying in the West. Make no mistake -- you will have had your head on a platter, if you would've professed the S. Verses anywhere in the Mid East. Joe Vaz, Do you approve of the above practice? Do you want something like that imposed in India or Goa or Goanet? Remember this: Even your friends Tariq, Marlon,Mervyn, Allwyn, or even Judas Escariot or Pontius Pilate do not believe you. They may deny Jesus, but will not claim that Jesus did not exist -- and that goes for your professor friend too, who fired up this debate (through the controversial link) just to ingratiate himself with you. I have many professor friends who believe me. For your kind information, I am a professor as well. I also know several priests who believe me. And 95% of distiguished members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences do as well. As for the rest of us let us take a break from discussing with the net jester --Chimbelcho of the civilized and free world -- who prides on impudent demeanor and cannot distinguish between 'blasphemy' and 'respect' for religion. I wish you would only speak for yourself. But you cannot help being a net-pope or net-mullah. I am yet to see you become a net-swami though. I doubt you respect people's belief in the caste system and idol worship. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: last name
Pattice Samosa wrote: PS: We, who believe in life after death, have something we really look forward to. Doubt this would apply to 'fanto'sh hel.. who for the second time changed my last name from de Sousa to D'Souza on August 5. Once a mistake, second time 'tis ??? You can call me Fantosh Hel if I can call you Pattice Samosa. Just kidding, Paddy. Sorry for messing up your last name on August 5. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujo's Comments
In a message dated 8/14/2003 2:48:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lastly Mr. Santosh ponder on what I have mentioned and you will see life is wonderful not to have enemies but friends for ever. Vivek: I have pondered on everything you have written so far, and I am still not convinced by your explanations and exhortations. I find friendship even in disagreement - or rather, especially in disagreement. Most of my closest friends disagree with me. And I don't have any enemies - at least, ones that really know me. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujo's Comments
In a message dated 8/12/2003 4:02:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Within a month he was feeling better and discarded his conventional treatments. Praise the lord, he was cured! Unfortunately for him, two months later, he was dead. vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote earlier: she made me kneel to recite three hail mary our father and hail holy queen gave me some holy water and requested that I pray the rosary , went home and prayed the rosary with faith ,tears rolled down my eyes and I could feel the touch of the Good lord who as though touched me and said I heal you in the name of lord , had some holy water, and the next morning till date I never had a problem. It is always a bad idea to discontinue modern scientific medical treatment, and opt for some untested, supernatural treatment. In case people are wondering why bogus treatments such as the ones cited in the above excerpts often seem to work, at least for a short period of time, here is a nice article by Dr. Barry Beyerstein, a biopsychologist at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada. Cheers, Santosh WHY BOGUS THERAPIES OFTEN SEEM TO WORK Barry L. Beyerstein, Ph.D. Subtle forces can lead intelligent people (both patients and therapists) to think that a treatment has helped someone when it has not. This is true for new treatments in scientific medicine, as well as for nostrums in folk medicine, fringe practices in alternative medicine, and the ministrations of faith healers. Many dubious methods remain on the market primarily because satisfied customers offer testimonials to their worth. Essentially, these people say: I tried it, and I got better, so it must be effective. The electronic and print media typically portray testimonials as valid evidence. But without proper testing, it is difficult or impossible to determine whether this is so. This article describes seven reasons why people may erroneously conclude that an ineffective therapy works. 1. The disease may have run its natural course. Many diseases are self-limiting. If the condition is not chronic or fatal, the body's own recuperative processes usually restore the sufferer to health. Thus, to demonstrate that a therapy is effective, its proponents must show that the number of patients listed as improved exceeds the number expected to recover without any treatment at all (or that they recover reliably faster than if left untreated). Without detailed records of successes and failures for a large enough number of patients with the same complaint, someone cannot legitimately claim to have exceeded the published norms for unaided recovery. 2. Many diseases are cyclical. Such conditions as arthritis, multiple sclerosis, allergies, and gastrointestinal problems normally have ups and downs. Naturally, sufferers tend to seek therapy during the downturn of any given cycle. In this way, a bogus treatment will have repeated opportunities to coincide with upturns that would have happened anyway. 3. The placebo effect may be responsible. Through suggestion, belief, expectancy, cognitive reinterpretation, and diversion of attention, patients given biologically useless treatments often experience measurable relief. Some placebo responses produce actual changes in the physical condition; others are subjective changes that make patients feel better even though there has been no objective change in the underlying pathology. 4. People who hedge their bets credit the wrong thing. If improvement occurs after someone has had both alternative and science-based treatment, the fringe practice often gets a disproportionate share of the credit. 5. The original diagnosis or prognosis may have been incorrect. Scientifically trained physicians are not infallible. A mistaken diagnosis, followed by a trip to a shrine or an alternative healer, can lead to a glowing testimonial for curing a condition that would have resolved by itself. In other cases, the diagnosis may be correct but the time frame, which is inherently difficult to predict, might prove inaccurate. 6. Temporary mood improvement can be confused with cure. Alternative healers often have forceful, charismatic personalities. To the extent that patients are swept up by the messianic aspects of alternative medicine, psychological uplift may ensue. 7. Psychological needs can distort what people perceive and do. Even when no objective improvement occurs, people with a strong psychological investment in alternative medicine can convince themselves they have been helped. According to cognitive dissonance theory, when experiences contradict existing attitudes, feelings, or knowledge, mental distress is produced. People tend to alleviate this discord by reinterpreting (distorting) the offending information. If no relief occurs after committing time, money, and face to an alternate course of treatment (and perhaps to the worldview of which it is a
[Goanet]Re: Ending up like others
In a message dated 8/8/2003 10:43:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: we catholics would end up just like the other religious groups and we are not prepared for it now or never. .. some funny questions are the confusing works of satan Are Catholics better than other religious groups? Are people who ask funny questions doing the confusing works of satan? Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Re: Rosario Rodrigues - The last farewell
In a message dated 8/8/2003 10:20:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't want to dig out secrets of his life after his death, but at least doubts will be cleared if he really secured a doctorate. I am skeptical of such claims. People do get honorary doctorates. This man probably deserves a doctorate more than anybody. Much better that he should have an honorary degree or even an honorary title of Dr. than all those charlatans who obtain mail order degrees and flash them all over in their campaigns of public deception. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]fundamental procedure
In a message dated 8/6/2003 7:32:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is in deference to Fred's request, maybe, just maybe my bond is better than being ethical with no ethics. Having said that one would call it a day, one goes on and on and on. Dear Mr. Menezes: Thanks for your email. I don't understand what you are trying to say. But I have no interest in carrying on a discussion with you. So, even though neither Frederick nor any other moderator has requested that the present thread be terminated, I will let this be my last post on this thread. However, I reserve the right to defend myself if someone attempts to abuse me either directly or by tangential references. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: fundamental procedure
In a message dated 8/5/2003 10:47:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fundamental procedure, don't antagonise Christians, more so don't antagonise Hindus and most don't antagonise Muslims. Does this fundamental procedure apply to fundamentalists? Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]MIRACLES DO HAPPENS !
In a message dated 8/5/2003 4:41:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you truly believe in the Almighty miracles like these do happens. To believe this story one has to also believe in ghosts. No offense intended. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Goan Joke
In a message dated 8/5/2003 3:21:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excuse me once again if I caused misunderstanding to the readers, which was unintentional. Hi Angela: Thanks for that clarification. It is indeed very nice of you to do that. Sorry for the misunderstanding on my part. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] No response
In a message dated 8/4/2003 3:05:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And many a balanced intellect (intellectuals) know how NOT to incite people with such extraneous quotes and outrageous inferences. The knowledgeable and intellectual do not tread this path. I am not going to respond to the above out of respect for Frederick's polite request to terminate this debate. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Historical facts
In a message dated 8/3/2003 1:27:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The references I elucidated were from biblical scriptures - they are not just religious beliefs but historical facts. We cannot change history; humans can only try distorting it (history) to accommodate their personal prejudices. Many smart and knowledgeable people do not believe that they are historical facts. Here are two quotes from Francis Crick, Nobel Laureate, discoverer of the structure of DNA and one of the greatest minds of the last millennium: A knowledge of the true age of the earth and of the fossil record makes it impossible for any balanced intellect to believe in the literal truth of every part of the Bible in the way that fundamentalists do. And if some of the Bible is manifestly wrong, why should any of the rest of it be accepted automatically? -- Francis Crick If revealed religions have revealed anything it is that they are usually wrong. -- Francis Crick Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] False Statement
In a message dated 8/3/2003 5:57:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No one is trying to malign you. Mr. Vaz, I am happy to note the above. Thanks for being so charitable to me. Your statements are purely YOURS to claim, -- and pointing out what YOU said in your earlier posts, does not constitute maligning. Indeed, I stand by all my honest opinions, expressed in response to questions by others. You are free to post any number of excerpts from my past posts. RE: Or do we need an emissary of our earlier debater to summarize on his behalf? The above statement is what I was referring to in my last post. I wish you would stop drawing false inferences about me (even if it is in the form of rhetorical questions) from other people's comments on my posts. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]False Statement
In a message dated 8/2/2003 1:10:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or do we need an emissary of our earlier debater to summarize on his behalf? Where one group member ceases his tirade, another emerges, from a coalition of peace-breakers. The above statement is false. Tariq is neither my emissary nor part of my group. I have never met Tariq, and have very rarely communicated personally with. The implication that I told Tariq to post his summary of our argument is a malicious inference. Vaz is persistently trying to malign me in this forum. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Thought for the Day - from TOI
In a message dated 7/31/2003 12:09:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is. - Mahatma Gandhi Bosco: Thanks for that quote. I agree 100% with that sentiment of the Mahatma. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Re: Peace
In a message dated 7/25/2003 1:36:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The student replied, Actually, sir, evil is simply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist as virtues like heat or light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light. The professor had nothing to say... Must be a really stupid professor. The analogies presented by the student do not make any sense at all. Absence of heat or light can be detected and measured extremely precisely. The professor could have demonstrated how to do that. And then asked the student how he can detect and measure the absence of God. The statement that Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light is simply wrong. It is wrong both logically and factually. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Low wages in Goa...
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Joao Socor-Larin Nunilla de Melo wrote: SOLUTION: P. V. Laxman - Your services are no more required. Kindly go back to where you belong. Thank you. Laxman Vinayak Porvorkar's services are very much required in Goa, at least as much as those of D. M. S.-L. Joao. Laxman belongs to Goa. Which part of the world does this Joao belong? Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Interview: Richard Perle on Chimbel
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com In a message dated 4/12/2003 7:50:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But we cannot allow this 'high Goan art form' called 'chat' to die!!! Some who are not following that tête-à-tête may more likely call it banter (pirachit). Yes! It is indeed a high Goan art form, without the quotes. It is much more a part of our unique Goan culture than any high-minded philosophical discussion is a part of the western culture. We really would like everybody to help our poor little Goa and our less fortunate Goans. We are indeed very grateful toward those who have enough patronizing zeal in them to enable them to do this. The least we could do, however, is let those who are not so fortunate, practice their high Goan art forms to the best of their modest and limited abilities. Cheers, Santosh P.S. There really is a Chimbel. ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] War in Iraq
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com In a message dated 4/5/2003 4:59:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lots of us are waiting for the same. But allow me to make a prediction. They will find WMDs and concoct a story just like in 1991 they found an eye-witness nurse who horrified the American public with tales of Kuwaiti babies being thrown out of their incubators by inhuman Iraqi soldiers so that they could take these incubators to Iraq. Tim, I share your cynicism in this matter. But I think the stakes are very high now, and the whole world is watching - not just a committee of spineless sychophants in the Congress of the United States, as was the case when that 15 year-old Nayirah gave her false testimony, and Papa Bush repeated that lie. If they do what you are predicting they would, I have every hope they would be found out, just as they were in less than a year after the incubator story broke. Then they would be guilty of mass murder and of a diabolical cover up to deceive the hearts and minds of Mericans and the rest of the world. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] War in Iraq
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com In a message dated 4/5/2003 5:58:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My sense is that the combatants on either side of the war debated on GN would find that this provides a quick summary of the intellectual basis used for this action. We were told that the justification for this war of invasion was that Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons in enough quantities to pose a threat to the rest of the world, including United States. Now that the invasion is well under way I want to see these weapons found in Iraq. If they are not found, and it is established that Iraq did not possess them after all, I want to see those who have lied to us about these weapons prosecuted, impeached and convicted for crimes against humanity, along with Saddaam Hussein, Chemical Ali and others who have murdered people for ideological and political reasons. I am waiting to see what happens, and my faith in democracy, justice and the rule of law rests heavily on the final outcome. Cheers, Samtosh ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] Anti-American sentiment
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com Carmo wrote: As I said I can not change your minds but I can honestly say I have facts to prove my case. Hey Carmo: What you have got are not facts. They are urban legends and false right-wing propaganda. For example, you wrote: Santosh, Do you remember this? .. Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much? His name is Osama bin Laden, sir Ollie replied. Ollie never said that. He mentioned Abu Nidal who, by the way, appears to have been killed by Saddaam Hussein. Ollie had no reason to fear Osama in 1987. You are spreading internet rumors and lies. Check the Snopes.com website if you don't trust me. Here is the URL - http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.htm Carmo, your following example is also a lie: Terrorist pilot Mohammad Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called political prisoners. However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands, The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, insisted that all prisoners be released. Check this Snopes.com webpage to learn how wrong you are -http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm You have no facts and no case. You can prove nothing. Your case is based on lies. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] Future of sovereign nations
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com In a message dated 4/2/2003 12:39:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pres. Bush and every american leader before him has always stated that if attacked by weapons of mass destructions the gloves come off as any sane person would say in order to assure her citizens was protected. Let us make sure we have got the justification for this war right. Justification is very important. The sound bites have to be just right to get higher ratings and to win elections. Weapons of mass destruction seem not to be a good justification any more. For one thing, they seem to be invisible. It should have been God is on my side right from the start. After all, who can hear the voice of Bush's God? But if we could hear Him, I bet He would say Project for the New American Century. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] I am a Goan
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com In a message dated 3/20/2003 2:34:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ole Xac is looking for a fair lady in her sixties for perpetual bliss! ... Young Goans have been brainwashed by the bharatis. Has Ole Xac been brainwashed by firangis? Or has he been whitewashed by them? Ole Xac needs no fair lady. For perpetual bliss he needs a young Bharatiya naari. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re:[Goanet] I am a Goan
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com In a message dated 3/19/2003 2:20:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr. Helekar please note that 41 years of indian rule is neocolonialism. Crap indian policies have been implanted in Goa. Things can change in Goa only if Goa is sutea of indian neo colonialism! Democracy so pushed down the Goans throats is a mockery you know that! A Free Goa is a new Goa a better Goa! Mr. Colaco, Your opinion is held by a diminishing minority in Goa. If you run for election in Goa (that is after you become an Indian citizen) on an anti-Indian platform, you will lose your deposit. You have a right to hold a marginalized view. Everybody does. But Goans living in Goa today are proud Indians. Most of us living abroad are proud Indians as well - even those who have become foreign citizens. To us your anti-Indian rants sound quixotic and bigoted. And I hope you realize you are doing a poor job of enlisting converts to your cause. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] NEWS: Sons-of-the-soil sentiment taking root in Goa again
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com In a message dated 3/14/2003 2:13:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you mean the indian foreigners? Cheers Colaco Hello Mr. Colaco: Let me ask you and others who sympathize with your view three simple questions. Are you ashamed that you are ethnically an Indian? Do you wish your ancestors were not born on the Indian subcontinent? Would you rather shed your skin? I would really appreciate your honest answers. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] French Fries
In a message dated 3/5/03 9:32:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Canadian press is reporting that the US is so pissed off with the French position on Iraq that some restaurateurs are removing the words 'French Fries' from their menu's and serving 'Freedom Fries' instead. Mervyn: Also, after Germany's dissent they changed Hamburgers to Bush patties, and they are now wrapped in red, white and blue. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] All Goans are Indians
In a message dated 3/3/03 1:39:30 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After the recent nonresident Goans meet, it is foolhardy to assert: "The truth is that All Goans are Indians" unless of course if one suffers from tunnel vision. Goans, from different nationalities converged upon Goa in December as a wake up call, and its time to take off the blinders. Hi Paddy: I am puzzled by your above statement. I did not attend the non-resident Goan meet, and do not know what was discussed in it that would make my assertion that all Goans are Indians, foolhardy. Surely, you don't think I don't know that there are Goans who have become citizens of other countries, or who have never been citizens of India in the first place? All I meant to say was Goa is an integral part of India in a dramatic sort of way. I am not much of a jingoist. But I never cease to be amused by Goans who are offended by being called Indians. Perhaps taking off the blinders and expanding one's vision has that liberating effect on Goans. Cheers, Santosh
