Re: [Goanet]Re: Chris Vaz's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## First we have comments about worshiping European saints now it is about migration. I wonder how many Goans are Punjabis? B. Colaço While agreeing with the general sentiment expressed by Helga do Rosario Gomes criticising Chris Vaz's comments, I really fail to understand why Tariq's being Goan is offered in his favour. What does this have to do with the issue? What if he was Somalian, Afghan, Sudanese, or American, British or French, or whatever... For that matter, what does the fact that his father did so much for Goa and Goans have to do with the issue? All too often such views seem to come across subliminally on Goanet. Don't insult others on Goanet, because they're Goans? Be nice to ... Goans? And to the rest of the world, it's all okay? From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may be unaware of this but Tariq was raised in Goa. His father was a very highly respected geologist who until his premature death was the Director of the National Institute of Oceanography in Dona PaulaGoans now come in a variety of names like Siddique, Shastry and Swami. Like the spectrum of American names from Obama to Oliveira. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chris Vaz's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Is that how you interpret it? Too bad! I cant help you. HRG All too often such views seem to come across subliminally on Goanet. Don't insult others on Goanet, because they're Goans? Be nice to ... Goans? And to the rest of the world, it's all okay? From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may be unaware of this but Tariq was raised in Goa. His father was a very highly
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chris Vaz's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you say something disparging about my race, culture or religion , you are a bigot. When I do the same about yours, I am just refusing to bow to the winds of political correctness. While agreeing with the general sentiment expressed by Helga do Rosario Gomes criticising Chris Vaz's comments, I really fail to understand why Tariq's being Goan is offered in his favour. What does this have to do with the issue? What if he was Somalian, Afghan, Sudanese, or American, British or French, or whatever... For that matter, what does the fact that his father did so much for Goa and Goans have to do with the issue? All too often such views seem to come across subliminally on Goanet. Don't insult others on Goanet, because they're Goans? Be nice to ... Goans? And to the rest of the world, it's all okay? From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may be unaware of this but Tariq was raised in Goa. His father was a very highly respected geologist who until his premature death was the Director of the National Institute of Oceanography in Dona PaulaGoans now come in a variety of names like Siddique, Shastry and Swami. Like the spectrum of American names from Obama to Oliveira. __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## It is amazing how some people can hide from reality. Just about 10 days ago, the US Weapons Inspector stated that Iraq did not possess weapons of mass destruction, Britian and the US have accepted this. Maybe humour can penetrate through to ostrich (head-in-the-sand) types. Sorry to recycle an old joke, but it is quite funny still. Go to Google, type in Weapons of Mass Destruction, click on I'm Feeling Lucky (not on Search). When the page comes up, DON'T MOVE ON WITH A SIGH. LOOK CAREFULLY! From: Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course he had WMDs. He had used them against the Kurds and the Iranians in the past. Besides, he had sufficient time while the UN was dawdling to either squirrel them away or send them to Syria or Iran!
[Goanet]Re: Chris Vaz's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## While agreeing with the general sentiment expressed by Helga do Rosario Gomes criticising Chris Vaz's comments, I really fail to understand why Tariq's being Goan is offered in his favour. What does this have to do with the issue? What if he was Somalian, Afghan, Sudanese, or American, British or French, or whatever... For that matter, what does the fact that his father did so much for Goa and Goans have to do with the issue? All too often such views seem to come across subliminally on Goanet. Don't insult others on Goanet, because they're Goans? Be nice to ... Goans? And to the rest of the world, it's all okay? From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may be unaware of this but Tariq was raised in Goa. His father was a very highly respected geologist who until his premature death was the Director of the National Institute of Oceanography in Dona PaulaGoans now come in a variety of names like Siddique, Shastry and Swami. Like the spectrum of American names from Obama to Oliveira.
[Goanet]Re: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Santosh, Mervyn, George, et al. There must be a website that has responded to all these allegations and half-truths that are now being put forth by another avid Fox News watcher. I think for future reference, we must find that website and just offer it as a response, instead of reinventing the wheel. Tariq I do not know of any specific website that challengers the Fox News day-dreamers. I occasionally use Fairnesss and Accuracy in Reporting, see http://www.fair.org/. There are others. I agree it is tiring to point out all the half-truths, distortions, lies of the radical right-wing in this country, considering there is a daily outpouring of twisted logic and made up 'facts'. How many ways to explain to them that the sun does not shine brightly at midnight. Regards, George
[Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Chris I too thought your attack on Tariq uncalled for. You say you have apologized and I hope Tariq is able to let it roll off his back. Things are not always what they seem. You may be unaware of this but Tariq was raised in Goa. His father was a very highly respected geologist who until his premature death was the Director of the National Institute of Oceanography in Dona Paula. He worked very hard and perhaps at the cost of his health and family to make the Geology division of the Institute a very well recognized place for research on every aspect of marine geology. He procured a large sum of money to explore deep sea minerals in the Indian Ocean and hired young scientists from all over India some of who in turn have become independent researchers and hired and trained many young Goan graduates from the Goa University. Goans now come in a variety of names like Siddique, Shastry and Swami. Like the spectrum of American names from Obama to Oliveira. --Helga do R. Gomes Tariq-- I stand by my statement.Obviously there are others like you who do not agree with the president's actions. The remarks were for their benefit not meant exclusively for you although I could have expressed myself better.
Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tariq-- I stand by my statement.Obviously there are others like you who do not agree with the president's actions. The remarks were for their benefit not meant exclusively for you although I could have expressed myself better. We do live in a dangerous world as recent events in the Netherlands have recently demonstrated (the murder of Theo van Gogh by a Muslim immigrant and the arrest of eight islamic radicals--I am not making this up, it is reported in the weekend WSJ). And what was Mr. Van Gogh's crime? He was a radical libertarian, a champion of free speech who refused to be constrained by taboos or social codes. And the Netherlands prides itself in being a liberal and tolerant country with no irons in the Iraq fire. I can also recall the fatwa against Salmon Rushdie because some mullahs didn't like his book. We have discovered AlQaeda terror cells in this country also. Wow! Its nice to know that the world get classified as dangerous only and only when the Muslims are perpetrators. I think there is a word in the dictionary for that, it called B-I-G-O-T. I reiterate, we have to stand behind our president in these difficult times and you should admit your statement that GWB should be president of Afghanistan or Iraq was unnecessarily provocative and mean spirited, just as my statement might have been to you. Kerry didn't know whether he was coming or going like a weatherwane, and the American electorate wisely saw through it, despite enormous sums poured into his propaganda campaign by the likes of George Soros, Michael Moore, etc. And his purported support by a majority of Arab/Muslims did not augur well for the war. That is my opinion. You may not like it, but I am entitled to it and people on your side could engage in namecalling--that is nothing new, when one runs out of reasoned discourse, liberals usually bring out the vitriol. Please revisit the Goanet archives and reflect on where the name-calling came from. From my analysis, it was from some Chris Vaz. Do you know him? If we had not gone into Iraq, Saddam would still be in Iraq tormenting his people and would be an incubator for terrorists with designs on this country. And maybe, juts maybe, Sue Niederer's son would be alive. I say maybe, because he could have been a victim of gun violence in this country. The latter since Republicans refuse to entertain the issue of gun control. I did in fact write at some length to you. Probably got lost in transmission Shall try to retrieve it. However there was no apology there--just the rationale for my action. I really doubt that. If you can accept it, I shall agree to write I despise Kerry 200 times on the blackboard! I believe however it is now moot since GWB kicked Kerry's butt real good! I had also responded to your insinuations against Rush and O'Reilly thus: There are no charges against these two, and at least in this country they are innocent until proven guilty. Perhaps it is political vendetta for their success as the circulation and viewership of the Old Media (NYT WPCBS.NBCCNNMSNBC) is on the slide and Rush and O'Reilly are cleaning their clock! We have been fed fabricated pablum for too long by the Old Media and Rush and O'Reilly are a breath of fresh air and a dose of reality! So are you claiming that Rush Limbaugh does not have a drug problem? Then why did Rush Limbaugh apologize? http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3158206/ Are you also claiming that Bill O'Reilly did not engage in despicable sexual comments? If so, then why did he enter into a settlement? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/20/entertainment/main650282.shtml And did you read what the father figure of the moral right said? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html Lies of Moore--just listen to Mayor Ed Koch of New York and Sen. Zell Miller, both Democrats. Are they credible? Both have declared him a liar! Or view FAHRENHYPE 9/11 UNRAVELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT MICHAEL MOORE'S FAHRENHEIT 9/11!I do hope you keep up with the news regarding the others... Please take the time to point out exactly what was a lie. Don't push this off on the remarks of someone. Stick to the facts! -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mervyn-- Which means the Congress, some members of whom, sit on intelligence committees are idiots. And that makes the electorate who put them into office idiots for having put them there. Mervyn, you can do better!. Perhaps you have forgotten about the 17 UN Resolutions since 1991 demanding Saddam account for the stockpiles of WMDs that he had admitted having in the ceasefire agreement of 1991. UN Resolution 1441 was passed asking for the 17th time to account for his WMDs or suffer serious consequences.The US continued to work through the UN right up until Villepin reneged and said France would veto any action against Iraq, no matter what! It has now come to light that France, Germany, Russia and China were looting Iraq under the oil-for-food scam run by Kofi Anan, and had no interest in pursuing serious consequences. Hence the need for our intervention in concert with our coalition partners! Of course he had WMDs. He had used them against the Kurds and the Iranians in the past. Besides, he had sufficient time while the UN was dawdling to either squirrel them away or send them to Syria or Iran! Santosh, Mervyn, George, et al. There must be a website that has responded to all these allegations and half-truths that are now being put forth by another avid Fox News watcher. I think for future reference, we must find that website and just offer it as a response, instead of reinventing the wheel. -Tariq __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which means the Congress, some members of whom, sit on intelligence committees are idiots. And that makes the electorate who put them into office idiots for having put them there. Chris, I am surprised that you are introducing idiots into this debate. Now that I think about it, not only do I agree with you that there are idiots in Congress but I also think the current head if the the US govt is their appropriate leader :-) Perhaps you have forgotten about the 17 UN Resolutions since 1991 demanding Saddam account for the stockpiles of WMDs that he had admitted having in the ceasefire agreement of 1991. UN Resolution 1441 was passed asking for the 17th time to account for his WMDs or suffer serious consequences. The US continued to work through the UN right up until Villepin reneged and said France would veto any action against Iraq, no matter what! The way most understand it, Saddam was allowing UN inspectors into his military installations in the week before the war started. The head of the UN inspectors said that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iran and he needed only two more weeks to prove to the world the same. Instead, W. sent 1,000 young Americans to their deaths (and that number does not seem to stop growing.) Of course he had WMDs. He had used them against the Kurds and the Iranians in the past. Yep, thats God's truth. The US knew he had Mustard gas because they have the carbon copies of the receipts. The US was the only country selling these weapons to Saddam. Mervyn2.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Talk of foul breath, George, have you been in the neighborhood of Michael Moore, Al Franken, MoveOn.Org, George Soros, the Media Fund, lately?-- --- Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:39 AM Subject: [Goanet]Ren: Chris Vaz's Comment ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rush and O'Reilly are a breath of fresh air and a dose of reality! Rush and O'Reilly are bad breath and a dose of fantasy and lies. See some Rush Limbaugh lies and spin http://members.aol.com/Falconnn/rushlie.html http://members.aol.com/Falconnn/Rushlie2.html See some Bill O'Reilly lies and spin http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/billspins.htm Regards, George
Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mervyn-- Which means the Congress, some members of whom, sit on intelligence committees are idiots. And that makes the electorate who put them into office idiots for having put them there. Mervyn, you can do better!. Perhaps you have forgotten about the 17 UN Resolutions since 1991 demanding Saddam account for the stockpiles of WMDs that he had admitted having in the ceasefire agreement of 1991. UN Resolution 1441 was passed asking for the 17th time to account for his WMDs or suffer serious consequences.The US continued to work through the UN right up until Villepin reneged and said France would veto any action against Iraq, no matter what! It has now come to light that France, Germany, Russia and China were looting Iraq under the oil-for-food scam run by Kofi Anan, and had no interest in pursuing serious consequences. Hence the need for our intervention in concert with our coalition partners! Of course he had WMDs. He had used them against the Kurds and the Iranians in the past. Besides, he had sufficient time while the UN was dawdling to either squirrel them away or send them to Syria or Iran! - Original Message - From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The president had authority to wage war before we undertook the mission. I trust this answers your query. Chris, You know as well as I do that Bush/Cheney essentially fooled US lawmakers into getting approval for the war. There are no weapons of mass destruction. Mervyn2.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]Re: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rush and O'Reilly are a breath of fresh air and a dose of reality! Rush and O'Reilly are bad breath and a dose of fantasy and lies. See some Rush Limbaugh lies and spin http://members.aol.com/Falconnn/rushlie.html http://members.aol.com/Falconnn/Rushlie2.html See some Bill OReilly lies and spin http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/billspins.htm Regards, George
Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reiterate, we have to stand behind our president in these difficult times No, we don't, when we are not convinced that his policies are right for this country. In a democracy people have the right to oppose a president who adopts wrong policies. Kerry didn't know whether he was coming or going like a weatherwane, and the American electorate wisely saw through it The American people voted for Kerry on almost all important issues, including economy, jobs, Iraq, health care and education. We have been fed fabricated pablum for too long by the Old Media and Rush and O'Reilly are a breath of fresh air and a dose of reality! Actually, these guys pollute the airwaves with the stench of hate speech, lies and distortions. Mayor Ed Koch of New York and Sen. Zell Miller, both Democrats. Are they credible? No. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Kerry has been vacillating wrong place/wrong time/wrong war even though he voted in favor, then denied the funding, and then said he would make the same decision GWB did. The second half of the above sentence is a politically motivated distortion of the truth. As far as the first half of the above sentence is concerned, the voters who thought Iraq was the most important issue, agreed with Kerry that the Iraq war was the wrong war at the wrong time. They voted overwhelmingly for him(73%) as opposed to Bush(26%). This demonstrates a weakness of resolve and sends wrong signals to the enemy-- the country as a whole regardless of ethnicity should support the president especially when we are engaged. The above assertion is pure gibberish. It demonstrates a severe lack of understanding of basic principles of democracy, as opposed to dictatorship or monarchy. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The president had authority to wage war before we undertook the mission. I trust this answers your query. Chris, You know as well as I do that Bush/Cheney essentially fooled US lawmakers into getting approval for the war. There are no weapons of mass destruction. Mervyn2.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Tariq-- I stand by my statement.Obviously there are others like you who do not agree with the president's actions. The remarks were for their benefit not meant exclusively for you although I could have expressed myself better. We do live in a dangerous world as recent events in the Netherlands have recently demonstrated (the murder of Theo van Gogh by a Muslim immigrant and the arrest of eight islamic radicals--I am not making this up, it is reported in the weekend WSJ). And what was Mr. Van Gogh's crime? He was a radical libertarian, a champion of free speech who refused to be constrained by taboos or social codes. And the Netherlands prides itself in being a liberal and tolerant country with no irons in the Iraq fire. I can also recall the fatwa against Salmon Rushdie because some mullahs didn't like his book. We have discovered AlQaeda terror cells in this country also. I reiterate, we have to stand behind our president in these difficult times and you should admit your statement that GWB should be president of Afghanistan or Iraq was unnecessarily provocative and mean spirited, just as my statement might have been to you. Kerry didn't know whether he was coming or going like a weatherwane, and the American electorate wisely saw through it, despite enormous sums poured into his propaganda campaign by the likes of George Soros, Michael Moore, etc. And his purported support by a majority of Arab/Muslims did not augur well for the war. That is my opinion. You may not like it, but I am entitled to it and people on your side could engage in namecalling--that is nothing new, when one runs out of reasoned discourse, liberals usually bring out the vitriol. If we had not gone into Iraq, Saddam would still be in Iraq tormenting his people and would be an incubator for terrorists with designs on this country. I did in fact write at some length to you. Probably got lost in transmission Shall try to retrieve it. However there was no apology there--just the rationale for my action. If you can accept it, I shall agree to write I despise Kerry 200 times on the blackboard! I believe however it is now moot since GWB kicked Kerry's butt real good! I had also responded to your insinuations against Rush and O'Reilly thus: There are no charges against these two, and at least in this country they are innocent until proven guilty. Perhaps it is political vendetta for their success as the circulation and viewership of the Old Media (NYT WPCBS.NBCCNNMSNBC) is on the slide and Rush and O'Reilly are cleaning their clock! We have been fed fabricated pablum for too long by the Old Media and Rush and O'Reilly are a breath of fresh air and a dose of reality! Lies of Moore--just listen to Mayor Ed Koch of New York and Sen. Zell Miller, both Democrats. Are they credible? Both have declared him a liar! Or view FAHRENHYPE 9/11 UNRAVELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT MICHAEL MOORE'S FAHRENHEIT 9/11!I do hope you keep up with the news regarding the others... I trust we can agree to disagree without being disagreaable--at least in the future! Regards. Chris - Original Message - From: Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is possible that in the heat of rhetorical battle we express ourselves more vigorously than we intend to.My remarks were directed more at the opposition forces in general rather than specifically to Mr. Tariq although it might appear otherwise. When you tell me specifically to move to Michigan and crawl in the hole that Saddam was hiding in, how can it be directed to opposition forces in general? In case your memory is weak, as is the case with most who supported the war in Iraq, your two posts are reproduced below On Wed, Nov 3 you wrote: Why don't you crawl into the hole Saddam vacated? On Thurs, Nov 4 you wrote: Tariq should go to Michigan to vote with others of his ilk for Kerry Once again, how can these messages be construed as general when they are clearly specific? I would be the first to extend an apology to Mr Tariq if he took offence. I have
Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is possible that in the heat of rhetorical battle we express ourselves more vigorously than we intend to.My remarks were directed more at the opposition forces in general rather than specifically to Mr. Tariq although it might appear otherwise. When you tell me specifically to move to Michigan and crawl in the hole that Saddam was hiding in, how can it be directed to opposition forces in general? In case your memory is weak, as is the case with most who supported the war in Iraq, your two posts are reproduced below On Wed, Nov 3 you wrote: Why don't you crawl into the hole Saddam vacated? On Thurs, Nov 4 you wrote: Tariq should go to Michigan to vote with others of his ilk for Kerry Once again, how can these messages be construed as general when they are clearly specific? I would be the first to extend an apology to Mr Tariq if he took offence. I have written separately to him explaining the rationale. I have not received any personal mail from you. Perhaps you forgot to write it. Your apology will be accepted only and only if you promise to write 100 times on the blackboard, I love John Kerry But suffice it to say that this president has been villified enough by the lies of Michael Moore, Howard Dean, Terry McCauliffe etc.. Please tell us what lies did Michael Moore, Howard Dean etc make? -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## It is possible that in the heat of rhetorical battle we express ourselves more vigorously than we intend to.My remarks were directed more at the opposition forces in general rather than specifically to Mr. Tariq although it might appear otherwise. I would be the first to extend an apology to Mr Tariq if he took offence. I have written separately to him explaining the rationale. But suffice it to say that this president has been villified enough by the lies of Michael Moore, Howard Dean, Terry McCauliffe etc.. without the need to pile on further. We have been attacked like never before and we have a right to defend ourselves even if we have to venture outside the country to do so and we have a right to expect support from Arab/Muslims also because we are fighting a common enemy. Mr. Kerry has been vacillating wrong place/wrong time/wrong war even though he voted in favor, then denied the funding, and then said he would make the same decision GWB did. This demonstrates a weakness of resolve and sends wrong signals to the enemy-- the country as a whole regardless of ethnicity should support the president especially when we are engaged. The president had authority to wage war before we undertook the mission.I trust this answers your query. - Original Message - From: Aurelius Figueredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: [Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Your point is noted but as Marlon stated, what does this have to do with the personal attack on Tariq? Surveys have indicated that Arabs/Muslims in Michigan planned to vote for Kerry. I wonder why? Where do the sympathies of these Arab/Muslims lie if they decided to vote for Kerry who seeks a global test before the U.S decides to defend itself from Islamo-fascists? Has there been any vigorous condemnation by Arab/Muslim leaders of 9/11? And were the attackers of 9/11 Islamo-fascists? Reasonable people can draw their own concluisions.. It is odious of that gentleman to taunt that GWB should be president of Afghanistan or Iraq after he has liberated 50 Million people of those countries. My comments were in that context and had nothing to do with being of the extreme right or the Republican agenda established by one of our greatest presidents!
[Goanet]RE: Chris Vaz's Comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Your point is noted but as Marlon stated, what does this have to do with the personal attack on Tariq? Surveys have indicated that Arabs/Muslims in Michigan planned to vote for Kerry. I wonder why? Where do the sympathies of these Arab/Muslims lie if they decided to vote for Kerry who seeks a global test before the U.S decides to defend itself from Islamo-fascists? Has there been any vigorous condemnation by Arab/Muslim leaders of 9/11? And were the attackers of 9/11 Islamo-fascists? Reasonable people can draw their own concluisions.. It is odious of that gentleman to taunt that GWB should be president of Afghanistan or Iraq after he has liberated 50 Million people of those countries. My comments were in that context and had nothing to do with being of the extreme right or the Republican agenda established by one of our greatest presidents!
