[Goanet] Floriano's Sunday Ramblings-14 - SOS for Amchi CONCANI

[floriano]

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Floriano's  Sunday Ramblings-14 - SOS for Amchi  CONCANI

And we have just finished with the Peace Day celebrations remembering the
devastations  of Hiroshima by the 'Little Boy' on 6 August  and the by the
'Fat Man' of Nagasaki on 9 August, 1945. And while we were remembering these
far away occurrences which took place some 61 years ago, we Goans in Goa
have been totally unaware that  the Congress Party in Goa, which has been
nurtured by Goans for the past 26 years since 1980 has been quietly putting
together  a  deadly bomb  named  'Mad Man' to be exploded over Goa with a
special capacity to cut away the mother tongue of Goans. And threatened by
the invasion by the Goan Tiatrists, demanding  concessions for their
secondary tongue, the Congress Party's war room decided to explode the 'Mad
Man' right over the heads of Goans so that they could lose their tongue
altogether and go mad in the bargain.

And I could understand all this coming from the war room of the Congress
party in Goa which has been heavily  infiltrated by people like Rane,
Khalap, Ravi, Shirodkar, Narvekar and others whose first love is Marathi,
the language of  Maharashtra,  rather than  Konkani, their mother tongue
which has given them their strengths and positions in life. Once a traitor,
always a traitor is all I have to say.  But I will never understand our very
own prominent tiatrist Goan in the person of Wilmix Mazarello who has the
cheek to give the following statement in the Goan Observer in the aftermath
of this devastating CLP's decision: "Romi script protagonists are not
objecting to giving equal status to Marathi. We want all Goans to live
happily as first class citizens of Goa - no Goan should be treated as a
second-class citizen of Goa"  The question here is "Who is Wilmix Mazarello
to make a statement like this??"

Having been just back from Chorao, where I had attended the Peace Day
function organized by 'NEST', when I went through the Sunday papers and came
to read the above on the Goan Observer,  with Wilmix's  cheesy smiling mug
pasted on it, it was like a bolt of lightning that struck me. This was the
man I had called just a few days ago, as soon as I  came to know  the CLP's
decision on giving the official status to Marathi along with Romi Konkani,
to ask him if he had wetted his pants enough being happy with hocking Goa's
mother tongue for petty concessions at the feet of people who do not
recognize mother Goa itself, let alone its tongue. All they are interest in
is the next election.  And this is the man who had allayed my fears and had
said  "Let us sit down and talk this out"  he being aware of my stand that
tiatrists had no business falling at the feet of the likes of Babush
Monserrate for Konkani which belongs to Goans as a whole. I had warned the
Romi brigade that the politicians will use them for their own ends. As a
reflex action, I picked up the phone and put a call through to Wilmix. And
the conversation that followed  at after 3 p.m. Sunday, is something like
this:-

Flo:  Hello Wilmix,  Boro mhure? Floriano here.
Wil: Hello Floriano, tell me.
Flo:  I have the Goan Observer with me. A lot of photographs and views about
the
Konkani issue on page 6. But yours takes the cake. Have you seen the
GO?? Here, I
shall read it for you
Wil: I have not seen the GO but someone called me to tell me that.
Flo:  Well, Wilmix, I just called to tell you that you are a b*d and a
prostitute  for
saying something like that, and also to tell you that I want to
punch your by
face when we meet next.
Wil: Good you called me. That is not the statement I have given to some
woman who
called me for my views. I never said something like that. I have
been totally
misquoted. I promise you that.

Flo:  If  that is so, which I doubt, you better tell Rajan Narayan to put a
disclaimer. The
sooner the better. Otherwise with a statement like that you are
finished.
Wil: Are you attending tomorrow's meet at Grace Church Margao?
Flo:  Yes, very much. See U there.

At the Grace Church meet Monday  evening, if I am given the opportunity  to
say a few words, I shall vehemently denounce Wilmix's statement  in the Goan
Observer to start with. Secondly, I shall state that tiatrists are not the
only stake holders of Goa and Konkani. That Goa's mother tongue belongs to
all Goans, wherever they may be. That Marathi is not Goa's mother tongue.
That it 

Re: [Goanet] ABBE FARIA POSTCARD and WGD

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Dom and George, Could I add a suggestion? We need to also lobby with
the postal authorities in India to launch more Goa-related stamps. I
think Goa has been very unfairly treated when it comes to appreciating
its diversity in the form of postal stamps.

As far as I recall, apart from one stamp on T B Cunha, another on the
beaches of Goa, and maybe a third on the Exposition, no stamps on Goa
have been issued on Goa in the past four decades. Someone more aware
of the field of numismatics could correct me here.

Of course, we also know from the essay 'Orientalism for Kids' from
Robert S Newman's book, that the Portuguese made a political game of
issuing stamps, and did in a way that suited their own interest. This,
however, is no excuse for not issuing stamps pertaining to a colourful
part of South Asia currently.

Maybe we should all campaign for the release of more Goa-related
stamps. Something small to be proud of.

Dom's suggestion is a good one! FN

On 07/08/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To George Pinto's Aug. 3 post (copied below), I would like to append the
> combined contents of my June 3 posts:
>
> I ask Goans worldwide to purchase three postcards.  The first postcard to be
> addressed to Mr. Sachin Kishore , Assistant Director General, Ministry of
> Communications & IT, India -- with whom, I have been in contact with and who
> is somewhat hopeful on the issuance of an Abbe Faria stamp -- urging him to
> prioritize the request and consideration of an Abbe Faria stamp when India's
> Philatelic Advisory Committee next meets--

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[Goanet] C D Silva on FM Radio tonite

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Shri C D Silva on FM Radio (Goa) tonite

Senior tiatrist C D Silva will be available on FM Rainbow Radio tonight 
(7/8/06) to
take your calls from 9pm to 10pm. (tune in 105.4 MHz FM)

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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples

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--- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The various opinions expressed under this thread
> have been very instructive. We have been able to 
> witness some very good examples of squirming, 
> straining and double-dealing.
> 
> Mario observes:
>
Believe me, your squirming, straining and
double-dealing has not gone unnoticed.
>


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Re: [Goanet] apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com (2)

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Guys, let's discuss apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com ... preferably it's
view of Goan history, it's biases and perspectives, and related
issues.

Why do you'll guys fly off to Israel, the West Bank and other parts of
the globe at the slightest pretext? As you probably know, we humble
South Asian residents and 'desi' citizens have a lot of difficulties
in getting visas to visit different parts of the globe. (I almost got
refused a visa to Bangladesh recently! But that might have had
sometime to do with my disreputable profession.)

So let's stay in *Goa* while on GOAnet. Stay ONtopic, unless you have
a good pretext not to. Avoid abuses and name-calling, however you
dislike another Goanetter's point of view. This is what Goanet rules
requires us to do. --FN
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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples

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--- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sarcasm aside, you make a good point.  Slippery
> definitions can be conveniently invoked for words
> such as god-fearing, anti-semite, terrorist 
> sympathizer, hater of freedom and democracy, etc.  
> A swami, a mullah or a priest who is defined as god-
> fearing one moment can be conveniently re-defined 
> as godless the moment he commits a crime.
> 
Mario observes:
>
The master of slippery definitions stands exposed once
again. 
>
Someone who is defined as God-fearing one moment
CANNOT be re-defined as Godless "the moment he commits
a crime."  No religious person on Goanet has done
this, so Santosh's assertion is false. 
>
Only Santosh has engaged in such distortions.  
>
Actually Santosh and Cornel and George and Vivek have
been falsely classifying people who live an entire
life of crime and evil as God-fearing.  Then Elisabeth
comes along and blythely re-classifies all evil as a
"dysfunction" and further disqualifies all atheists
and agnostics from being evil because they never
agreed to be "good" in the first place by virtue of
their rejection of God.
>
To illustrate additional falsehoods in Santosh's
assertions, none of the terms he has listed have been
used loosely.
>
Those who strenuously deny the frequent and public
assertions by Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran that their
objective is the destruction of Israel, are clearly
"anti-Semitic", given that the term Semite is widely
used for Jews and not Arabs, some of whom are Semites.
>
Those who strenuously oppose freedom and democracy for
the Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq, in spite of the
manifest desires of most of the population in those
countries expressed through numerous elections, even
under threat of death, are clearly "haters of freedom
and democracy".
>
Those who oppose the war on the terrorists targeting
innocent civilians in India, Indonesia, England, the
US, Spain, Canada, Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and
Afghanistan, are clearly "terrorist sympathisers",
because terrorists derive the moral support that is
their life-blood from such opposition.
>
If these shoes don't fit there is no need to wear
them.  The objections to these clearly descriptive
terms indicates they fit some people very well.
>



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Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women/response Valmiki

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Dear Val,

Mario would never be party to such a heinous act. Were
Mario to be in any rape-room, after assuring the
perpetrator that he had a black-belt in Karate which
he lost or otherwise would have been wearing, he would
have had a lengthy discourse with the would-be rapist
on the history and immorality of rape, using as many
compound sentences and Wikipedia references as he
could muster, and effectively putting the rapist to
sleep :))

Elisabeth
-

--- Valmiki Faleiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Cornel,
> 
> I honestly feel your questions below ought
> to have been directed towards Mario himself.
> RKN said he was in Kwt, not Iraq.  It could
> just be that Mario is privy to some 'insider'
> info (I won't dismiss Mario's resources, just
> as I never did Ole Xac Bernado's.)  It could
> even be that Mario speaks first hand ...
> he might have been in one of those rooms.
> We must ask him.
> 
> Rgds, Valmiki
> 


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Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's Wisdom

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Dear GIlbert,

Do you personally know of any Goanetters, who preach
one thing and practice another? This being a cyber
forum, one would assume that what posters practice
remains unknown to other cyber posters. Perhaps you
know of someone who professes to be an agnostic or
atheist on this list but religiously goes to church
every Sunday, or writes a thesis on God. In which
case, you must out these posters. Tell us their names.
Hang a scarlet letter around their cyber necks. Or at
the very least give them a chance to defend
themselves.

Elisabeth
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--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> - Gilbert said: 
> I am a bit tired of Goanetters who preach one thing
> (to appear intellectual) and personally practice
> another philosophy.  I do hope you and others do not
> reap what you preach.  Yet it is useful to remember
> that a seed does not fall far from the tree.


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[Goanet] DEVCHAR (Evil Spirit) and the VOIJINN MAIM – Part II!

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DEVCHAR (Evil Spirit) and the VOIJINN MAIM – Part II!

Besides mid-wife's role, the voijinn maim also played a vital role as far as 
peoples' general health was concerned; she prescribed them local medicines and 
cured them.

A voijinn is the one who helped the villagers when they caught cold. She 
simply handed in a mixture of bark chips from several trees like fatorfodd, 
zamboll, jeel, etc., and asked mothers/grandmothers to prepare a "cuzument" 
(decoction) in a "chaecho buddkulo" (tea kettle) and give it to the 
child/children thrice a day; a little sugar was added for taste, and voilà, 
within two or three days the cold would be gone!

If anyone was down with fever, the voijinn maim asked to collect 
enough "addoxeachim panam" (leaves of a plant known as "addoso" which was 
mostly found at an "addo/goddgo" [mud fence]) which had to be boiled until the 
water turned reddish. The patient was then given hot bath of the water; he/she 
was also made to drink a glass of the water before meals. After that, he/she 
was not supposed to leave the house but sleep wrapped in a bed sheet or 
blanket. The next morning, the person was up and going about as if nothing had 
happened. While the hot water bath treats the body and relieves the pain, a 
glass of water treats the inner system and makes the tongue palatable.

Another way to treat fever is to extract juice of "losunn" (garlic), "khavchim 
panam" (betel leaves) and "alem" (ginger) by grinding these together and then 
applying the juice all over the body - the result? Fever drops almost 
immediately.

If a person had high fever "ani madon uloilear" (and if he was delirious), the 
voijinn maim suggested "udkacheo goddieo" (wet cloth fold application) on the 
forehead until fever dropped. Parents sometimes spent the whole night placing 
the goddieo but it was worth it because by next morning the fever would drop 
and the child/adult was able to sleep.

When we sprained our joints while playing, we rushed to voijinn maim who 
meticulously examined the sprained part, found the damaged nerve, massaged it 
with oil and set right a twisted ankle, knee, wrist, fingers, etc. The process 
was called "xir kaddop." She also took care of minor fractures. She 
ground "kombi holdichim jitim pallam" (fresh turmeric plant roots) along 
with "asnnanchi sal", made a paste, applied it to the area, covered it with a 
cloth and secured the fractured arm/leg with flat bamboo pieces wrapped with 
cloth bandages.

If we woke up with a stiff neck, we went to the voijinn maim who again 
massaged and set it right. Actually, stiff neck cases were referred to and 
treated by "mottvem Jakin" (short Jakin) from Gaumvaddy who was gifted with 
the power because she was born with ‘legs out first' instead of the normal 
birth in which the head comes out first.

Whenever we received deep cut, we approached voijinn maim who cleaned the 
wound with maddanchi fenni, went to a "kavoto" (small coconut tree), 
collected "maddache suvecho ghusso" (fine powder found around the shoot of a 
coconut tree), applied it to the wound - if applied in time when the wound is 
fresh, it is as good as suturing; firmly holds the wound together - and then 
tied it with a tir (strip of cloth). If she didn't find one around, she cut 
off a tir from her "kapddacho pallov" (top end of a woman's sari). Will any 
nurse do that for you today?

If a wound was infected, the voijinn maim took a piece of "kattakunvor" (Aloe 
Vera) leaf and buried it in embers for a while. When it was done, she broke 
open the leaf and placed it on top of the infected area while it was hot and 
tied it tightly with a "tir." The aloe plant is classified as succulent. The 
sap from Aloe Vera sucks the "vikar" (poison), reduces inflammation, 
alleviates the pain and swelling and helps heal it quickly. The process was 
repeated a couple of times or more as needed. Aloe Vera was also prescribed 
for treatment of abrasions and burns or scald, blisters, insect bites, 
athlete's foot, fungus, etc. Each house then had at least one vase containing 
Aloe Vera plants which was kept on the "argol" (border) of a water-well.

If a person looked pale and yellowish, the voijinn maim immediately diagnosed 
it as "kaikoi" (jaundice) and asked the person to stop eating poultry 
products, oily food, pork and liquor. She then prepared a mixture in a bottle 
which had to be taken thrice a day and here again voilà, within a week th

Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.

[cornel]

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Why do you need to go around in circles? I would suggest that, you either 
know the answer to Fred's question or do not. Why do you not say that, you 
do not know and then provide some clear reasons why it might be difficult to 
arrive at a figure instead of implying (from my reading of your response), 
that there may be something odd about Fred's straightforward question?
Just asking.
Cornel
- Original Message - 
From: "Jose Colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Fred Noronha asked:  How serious was this  (RAPE) issue? How many cases 
> were
> reported? Eitherway, it would be interesting to know the truth.
> == jc's response:
> Ah Rape! ...such a difficult topic. Sometimes an innocent man gets blamed,
> More often than not - the raped woman suffers in the silence of personal 
> nightmares and societal castigation.

> Fred Noronha wants to know "How serious was this issue?"
>
> I'd say that even One Rape is a serious issue - more if it happens to be a
> "friend" who rapes you. Does Mr. Noronha disagree with that thought? I
> believe not.
>
>
> Fred Noronha wants to know "How many cases were reported?"
>
> He must really be serious. Who exactly does one complain to ? The 
> narrowness
> of Indian society apart, did Fred expect any person to complain about the
> army to the army?
>
> Wow!  Totally Brilliant
>
> jc
>
> The Big Let Down


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Re: [Goanet] The goanet atheism drive

[cornel]

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Hi Velho
Just a small point re your post to Gabe. In the early 1900s, the major power 
was Britain, not the USA. The USA began to take over at the end of WW1 in 
1918 and effectively did so at the end of WW2 in 1945. So, you had a little 
problem over your chronology!

The suggestion that if the Axis powers had won the war in 1945, many would 
be speaking German is a possibility and you Japanese. So would the Americans 
speak German as Hitler definitely intended world domination which included 
America. He was after all a "rock solid Christian." Believe this or not, he 
probably would have gone in for a
coronation as king Hitler I'm sure! In London, he had ear-marked the 
Selfridges building in Oxford Street or Whiteleys Store in Queensway as his 
command headquarters. I am sure he had his eyes on the Whitehouse USA too.

However, even if there was German
hegemony, I do not think it would last that long (not withstanding his 
vision of a thousand year Reich) and as English was already spoken in many 
parts of the world (the former British Empire and in North America), I think 
the international language could probably have been English rather than 
German. Also note that Hitler was a racist who believed in Nordic 
superiority and for this reason, non-white people would have been confined 
outside Europe. Neither Gabe nor I would be living in Europe nor would you 
be travelling for a Masters at King's College! Pure speculation of course 
which is sometimes good fun!
Cornel
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From: "velho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The goanet atheism drive
> 7. Your statement "When will these Powers learn to leave the status quo as 
> it is?" now makes me regret I supported your views because if the USA left 
> the status quo as it was in the early 1900's, I would be speaking Japanese 
> and you German.



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[Goanet] Goanet News Bytes * August 7, 2006 * Mumbai battles rain fury... again. 15 killed, 10, 000 evacuated.

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* Mumbai battles rain fury. 15 killed. 10,000 evacuated. (H)

* New ration cards by year end. Over 400,000 to be issued in Goa.
  Above poverty-line cards will be white. The Below Poverty
  Line cards (25,000) will be pink, while 18,000 cards will
  have a yellow colour and be Antodaya Anna Yojna cards. (H)
  With this, the idea of universal rations at affordable
  prices is being dismantled, making it a scheme for the poor.

* Fishing ban: motorised canoes in troubled waters. (H)

* Sunset beach caught in nature's wrath. The ghost of soil
  erosion has returned to haunt Betalbatim's Sunset Beach
  -- a picnicker's paradise -- with a number of casurine trees
  falling prey to nature's fury. (Herald)

* State Commission district consumer forums understaffed. (H)
* Five hurt as coconut tree crashes onto Sanguem house. (H)
* Romi Lip Front to meet at Margao Grace Church hall today. H
* Rajesh Makhija (49) arrested for bomb hoax to Inox. (H)
* Parish Youth Guirim executive formed. (H)
* Month old infant found dead in Panjim garden. (H)
* Fluctuating student intake at Goa University. (H)
* South Goa Muslim graveyard issue will be solved: Antulay.(H)
* Areal residents say no to government's kabrasthan plans. (H)

* Feature: Chuck that bottle, breastfeeding is need of hour.H
* World BreastFeeding Week from Aug 1-7 in Goa. A one year
  old child needs to eat about half of the mother's diet. (H)

* Ten year tax holiday mooted for jatropha farming. The
  crop is seen as a possible bio-fuel. (UNI)

DEATHS: Antony F Gonsalves (Antush) of Sonarvaddo, Nagoa b 1947 *
Augustine Cordo of Calangute, b 1916 * Zulema Da Costa Valadares of St
Inez * Jose (Zezito) Menezes, retired Bank of Baroda of Margao, b 1946.

Challenges before Goan society: Gone are the days when marriage was
considered to be an indissoluble celestian bond, marriages have become
not only earthly but also commercial. A look at the matrimonial
columns in a newspaper or at a shaadi.com website reveals how most
proposals revolve around the financial status of the spouse. (Juinio
De Souza in Herald). 

* Calangute Association lift Custodio Trophy. (H)
* CYA Mobor sail into Merces inter-village football semis. (H)
* Quepem College champs in Judo Women's. (H)
* Cuncolim Union in semis of Merces inter-village. (H)

LEAD HEADING in Sunaparant: Muslim Jamaat union appeals for
three assembly seats to be kept reserved. (Sunaparant)

NEWS FROM SUNAPARANT: Fisheries minister Joaquim Alemao says
strong action will be taking against those breaking the law
and fishing prior to the August 15 fishing ban in Goa. (Sunaparant)

Sunaparant has a scenic photo of the steamy white flow of the
Dudhsagar waterfall, under the title "Shaloo panchvo... dhovo
padar. Ghasghasta laadkecho vazar."

Is a script more important than a language, asks Lambert
Mascarenhas (Sunaparant). 

Sunparant reports that with growing reports of pesticide traces
found in Coke and Pepsi, the states of Madhya Pradesh and
Kerala (ruled by the BJP and Left respectively) have banned
the two multinational-bottled drinks. (Sunaparant)

* Goa Youth Cong welcomes plans for two private medical colleges.(S)
* Pandurang Faldessai to feature on Panjim Doordarshan today. (H)
* Report in Sunaparant on youth chess tourney in Goa. 

* Gova Doot continues a series of reports on Tilak's death anniversary.

* IDEA, the Institute of Design Environment and Architecture at Ascona
  in Vodlem Bhat, Benaulim is advertising for admissions to
  B Arch inunaded colleges. www.vidyavardhan.org (Marathi Gomantak)

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Re: [Goanet] GOAN DOCTORS -WORLD WIDE egroup BRINGING GOAN DOCTORS TOGETHER

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Dear Mr Rene Barretto,
   I am a Gynaecologist in St Mary's 
Hospital & will be glad to be on the data base for any bettermen of the Goan 
community.
  Thanking you,
  Sincerely Yours,
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This Group is created with the aim of connecting Goan Doctors all over the 
world. It's an unique opportunity to interact with other Goan Doctors, exchange 
views and work towards building a healthy Goan community. You would be updated 
with health related events in Goa and get an opportunity to make a difference. 
Your suggestions may help improve the health care delivery system and influence 
the diagnosis and management of patients worldwide!! 


Dr. Amit Dias 
Moderator. 

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Group Email Addresses 
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Lets promote TOGETHERNESS - BRING Goans , Goan Associations , 
Goan Organisations - TOGETHER for the betterment of our Goan 
Community wherever that may be. 


DON'T just CONTEMPLATE - PEARTICIPATE and MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
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[Goanet] Gilbert's Wisdom

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Hi Peter,

Thanks for the compliment. I am not sure mine are smart posts.  Quite a few 
posts I read, I think of the well known saying, "A sucker is born every 
minute".  This may apply to the writer or the readers who respond. 
 
I have met many well-known experts in many fields.  The mark of a good expert 
is one who says, "I do not know the answer to the issue ... or ... not sure of 
the best was to solve this problem But this is what I think / I do I do 
not know if the answer is correct."

Compare this to the current fashion on Goanet. Please answer yes or no. :=)). 
And there are some who comply.

Kind Regards, GL

--- Peter D'Souza wrote:

Very well said, Gilbert. I think you have defined a section of Western liberals 
who like to describe themselves as progressives. (I don't believe they are 
unique to Goanet though.) 
 

- Gilbert said: 
I am a bit tired of Goanetters who preach one thing (to appear intellectual) 
and personally practice another philosophy.  I do hope you and others do not 
reap what you preach.  Yet it is useful to remember that a seed does not fall 
far from the tree.
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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of ...... God fearing & evil/response Gilbertg

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Dear Gilbert,

Rather than me belabouring my point, I'd be curious to
know what your views on "evil" are.

Hope your weekend was wonderful. Temperatures have
already fallen in this part of the Northern Hemisphere
and we are left with only the last shards of summer.

Elisabeth
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--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have not been following this thread.  But happened
> to run into "Exposure of misconceptions ... God
> fearing & evil" post by Elisabeth.  The post
> appeared logical, but deep down does not make sense.
>  Elisabeth is making a logical argument on (normal)
> human behavior based on a pathological / abnormal /
> disease process. She uses Andrea Yates as her
> example.  Andrea Yates' fear of God (leading her to
> kill her five children) was pathological, and she
> was under intensive medical care for her mental
> condition.  Complicating her management was she
> could not take her medications while she was
> pregnant.  
> 


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[Goanet] Creepy 25 - Bite the hand that feeds!

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  /The Creepy Times: By Rahul Alvares/


Dear Creepy Subscriber

On the 13th of May my neighbors phoned me – quite like the pizza 
delivery boy – shouting through the receiver that I needed to come 
rightaway and catch a snake from their house.
The snake turned out to be the biggest bronze back tree snake I’d ever 
seen and although it was not more than a meter long, it still scared me 
a little. Yeah I’ve caught snakes over three meters in length. But 
there’s something uncanny about a specimen that exceeds by very much its 
average size. Wouldn’t you feel anxious if you saw a mosquito the size 
of your thumb?
The giant bronze back behaved very well though and so I managed catching 
the snake quite easily. While I guided the snake into the bag, however, 
I noticed lumps at regular intervals on its underbelly. I guessed that 
it was a female about to lay eggs, so I decided to hold onto the snake a 
couple of days. On the 15th of May the snake laid a clutch of fourteen 
cream colored rectangular eggs.
I released the mother immediately (they do not participate in the 
hatching of their eggs). The eggs I kept in a plastic cheese container 
in my room. I buried them half in sand and sprayed their exposed tops 
regularly with water.
By the beginning of July I’d almost given up on them hatching (bronze 
back eggs usually hatch in six weeks at the most). Still the eggs looked 
healthy, full, and they hadn’t been attacked by fungus. I decided to 
leave them a few days more.
On the 15th of July – exactly two months later – the first baby ripped 
its egg shell with its especial egg tooth and poked its head out. It 
spent the entire day absorbing the surroundings with its large bulging 
froggy eyes while its belly continued to absorb the last remaining part 
of its yolk sac (its only food during the two months it spent in the 
shell). On the 16th it was dashing around in the container, over the 
peering heads of three more eggs that had begun to hatch.
I picked up the little fellow (or was it a felly?) and took him out in 
the garden to photograph. While I was doing so, the little tyke bit me 
thrice! I’ve rescued dozens of bronze back tree snakes from people’s 
houses and never ever been bitten while doing so. Isn’t it a crying 
shame I should get bitten thrice by one that was barely learning how to 
open its mouth? After the photography session I dropped him in a lush 
patch of our garden. He disappeared in seconds.
By the 18th only three eggs remained to hatch. They never did. The 
photographs I’m including in this newsletter illustrate my wonderful 
experience with eleven baby bronze backs that bit the hand that fed.


Yours creepily

Rahul Alvares


> Contact Information:
>
Rahul Alvares, Almeida Vaddo, Parra, Bardez, Goa - 403510

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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Phone: Res: 91-832-2278740
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The eggs (also pronounced yuggs!)


The Babies (also called /bachhas/!)



A bronze back half out of the box!


The bronze back fully out of the box (the one that bit me!)


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[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Agostachi 7vi, 2006!

[domnic fernandes]

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Sabar Goenkarank, Gulf ek voinkut; Goyeam bhailea lokak, Goyem Gulf.

(For many Goans, Gulf is a paradise; for the non-Goans, Goa is Gulf!

Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
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[Goanet] Calling Britto's ex-students

[Cecil Fernandes]

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All Ex Students of St Britto's Mapusa

There will be a general body meeting of the OBA of Brittos of August 13th at
11 a.m.at St Britto's. all old boys are requested to attend this meeting.
the cost is Rs 50/- inclusive of lunch.Please get hopping and jumping and
send in your names and amount to any committee member or to Fr Cecil by
August 8th. Please contact other boys also. The student has to pass SSC
through Brittos. Come on Ex students lets set the ball rolling and make
Brittos the best alumni association. Registration will begin from August
13th.

Fr Cecil sj
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[Goanet] NOT AT BAINGUINIM: RCAC TELLS CCP

[airesrod]

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The Ribandar Citizen’s Action Committee has today
demanded that the Corporation of City of Panaji should
once for all shelve the idea and dream of setting up a
garbage disposal plant at Bainguinim.  

The Committee has stated that the Corporation of City
of Panaji may have had luck over the years  dumping
all the stink at Curca but warned that the residents
of Ribandar and the neighbouring villages would not
allow even a gram of garbage to be dumped or processed
at Bainguinim which is in the vicinity of an upcoming
settlement zone and a heritage cum historical area of
Old Goa. 

It has been further stated that even the Supreme Court
has very clearly laid down that your garbage has to be
treated within your jurisdiction and that the
Corporation of City of Panaji could not choose to
conveniently decide to set up a garbage disposal plant
at Bainguinim, which comes under the jurisdiction of
the Old Goa Panchayat. 

Ridiculing CCP Corporator Mr. Surendra Furtado’s
statement suggesting Bainguinim as the site inview
that Panaji is sitting on a time-bomb, the committee
has suggested that the time-bomb should be allowed to
explode in Mr. Furtado’s own ward by setting up the
garbage treatment plant on the parade grounds at
Campal.

The Committee has appealed to Chief Minister Mr.
Pratapsingh Rane, Deputy Chief Minister Dr. Wilfred De
Sousa, Transport Minister Mr. Pandurang Madkaikar and
Town & Country Minister Atanasio Monserrate not to
succumb to undue pressure being exerted by vested
interests and to keep to their commitment that the
garbage treatment plant would not be set up at
Bainguinim.

Aires Rodrigues
Convenor
Ribandar Citizen's Committee

Mobile: 9822684372

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[Goanet] Protecting Goa's environment.

[Arnold Noronha]

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As a  US expatriate and recently enrolled reader of the Goanet news, your 
publication reports tremendous development projects planned and executed in 
Goa.

I am interested to know what safeguards  are currently in place to preserve 
the natural beauty,  historic monuments, cultural milieu, etc.  and to promote 
balanced regulated growth and prevent environmental pollution and sociological 
disruptions. Does the Goa Government  have bodies like the USA's Environmental 
Protection Agency with mandated rules and regulations and related 
administrators with statutory enforcement powers?. Are  public hearings held  
on social and environment impact of  development and new business( such as SEZ)
projects? I've not yet observed  reports of such activities. Please let me 
know whether there are other internet sources devoted to this area. .

I enjoy reading Goanet's coverage daily. It opens an engrossing and 
enlightening window to keep abreast of Goa's and the rest of India's important 
current events.

Sincerely

Arnold
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Re: [Goanet] Query about: S.S. Ramdas

[Arnold Noronha]

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Dear Mr Fernandes:

Thank you for your valuable input into the sinking of the Ramdas. You have 
helpfully corroborated your story with an extract from the "Times of India". 
In the bargain, you've   also cleared the cobwebs from my memory about the 
exact date and location of this coastal plying vessel's sinking mishap. It's 
also interesting to note the passengers were not predominantly Goan. You have 
also dispelled a misimpression I had about the Ramdas being called the 
the "Queen of the Konkan Coast" by Mumbai's proletariat.  I do remember 
vaguely the illfated ship went down during the early part of the monsoon 
season. I understand, notwithstanding the Indian Ocean's monsoon-related 
hazards  facing small  ships, short voyages may have been  made infrequently 
if storms were not imminent. I wonder whether we can get more information about
this tragedy from the ship's owners and the Bombay Port Trust.

Your thorough research is commendable. I looked up "Google" too some time ago 
but did not have your alertness. Your find is definitely enlightening.

Regards

Sincerely

Arnold




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>

>There are brief reports of the tragedy in The Times (UK) of Jul 18
>and
>19 1947.
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Re: [Goanet] apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com (2)

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On 06/08/06, George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Also, other than the Palestinian and Lebanese children who are deliberately 
> > put in harm's way
> > by their parents.
>
> Mario,
>
> Since you ran out of FOX NEWS ideas on the GX forum and could not counter the 
> rock solid arguments
> of others, you left to protect yourself in the more secure (Goa centric) 
> Goanet.  But your
> personal insults & ignorance on many matters continues here. However, your 
> sentence above is the
> most insensitive comment I have ever read in cyberspace. Accusing parents of 
> putting their
> children in harm's way, has to be beneath contempt, when as all the world 
> knows, the innocent
> children were murdered by GUIDED Israeli bombs.
>
> Regards,
> George


Comment: George, thank you for exposing the charlatan for what he really is!

I do hope some of his supporters now see what his distorted mind is all about!

I have stated previously, what you have reiterated, the man is below contempt.


-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
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[Goanet] ABBE FARIA POSTCARD and WGD

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To George Pinto’s Aug. 3 post (copied below), I would like to append the 
combined contents of my June 3 posts:

I ask Goans worldwide to purchase three postcards.  The first postcard to be 
addressed to Mr. Sachin Kishore , Assistant Director General, Ministry of 
Communications & IT, India -- with whom, I have been in contact with and who 
is somewhat hopeful on the issuance of an Abbe Faria stamp -- urging him to 
prioritize the request and consideration of an Abbe Faria stamp when India’s 
Philatelic Advisory Committee next meets.

Mr. Sachin Kishore’s mailing address is:

Ministry of Communications & IT
Department of Posts
Dak Bhawan
New Delhi 111
India

The second postcard to be addressed to CTT Correios of Portugal, thanking for 
the gift of a commemorative postcard in Abbe Faria's name and memory.  
Furthermore, requesting CTT Correios to reconsider the issuance of a postal 
stamp during Abbe's 250th Birth Anniversary year, since a colorful marquette 
of the would be stamp has been created and the same test-printed on the 
commemorative postcard with stunning results!

CTT's mailing address is:

CTT - Correios de Portugal, SA
Philately
Rua S. José, 20
1166-001 Lisboa
Portugal

The third postcard to be retained and subsequently -- hopefully -- affixed 
with an Abbe Faria stamp issued by India, and the postcard then circulated 
worldwide to ensure Abbe Faria’s legacy among Goans and non-Goans, as also to 
educate them on one solitary Goan’s epic contribution to science more than 2 
centuries ago.

The Abbe Faria Commemorative postcard can be purchased directly from
CTT Correios of Portugal via this link:

http://www.ctt.pt/CTTsite/ctt_selofan_01d.jsp?
itemmenu=163&idioma_id=2&lojaselector=0&produtoitem_id=12561

Dom Martin
www.abbefaria.com


Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:33:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Pinto 
Subject: Re: [Goanet] World Goa Day origins & some brief history
To: Frederick FN Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Goanet
   


--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> George, tell us how Goa Sudharop and others can take this concept
[WGD] forward.


Dear Fred,

Since Aug 20 is almost upon us, a quick possibility for this year to
make WGD meaningful: Jose Colaco suggested a few months ago that WGD could 
remember/celebrate Abbe Faria this year, his 250th anniversary.

I would urge Goan organizations to go to the website created by Dom Martin at
http://www.abbefaria.com/ and:
1. Sign the petition as it can still get the Indian authorities to commemorate 
Abbe Faria with a stamp.
2. Print Abbe Faria's bio as a flyer and distribute to those in attendance or 
in the newsletter.
3. Perhaps have a discussion about the man.
4. It may be too late to purchase the video from Cecil Pinto/Isabel
Santa Rita Vas, otherwise that could be shown. I am assuming the video is 
available for purchase.>>
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[Goanet] Goanet

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It is unbelievable the number of friends I have made by your posting
my articles on Goanet

>From Dubai to the USA and UK and Canada !

Thanks
George
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Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing & Bigotry

[Joe Vaz]

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Mervyn3.0:

My contract allows me to work in at least 14 more countries.  What does your 
contract allow you to do?  There’s no prize for guessing ...


First, you need to learn how to quote the First Commandment. Secondly, no 
one has stopped me from worshiping in a Church, at anytime or any place. I 
still do!  So there’s the answers to your two questions.  You are dead wrong 
on both counts.  Finally, the only thing I agree with you is that you have 
not stopped being a teenager. :-(


Now that I answered both your questions, can you tell us what makes a pious 
Christian like you to privately send me several hate-mails?  Below is 
Mervyn’s admission of knowing the sender of the virus-laden mails:


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From :  Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sent :  Tuesday, August 1, 2006 1:05 AM
To :  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject :  Re: [Goanet] The secret of a goanetter's moral superiority
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Joe,
Actually I can do better than that.
I can tell you who sent you that virus.
This is not a free service.
Mervyn3.0





Joe Vaz

PS: I will try NOT to argue with TEENAGERS.

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Joe Vaz,
The first commandment is:
I am the Lord your God, do not have false Gods above
me."



My questions for you or any pious Christian in S.
:Arabia is: Since you are told very clearly PRIOR
to signing your contract that you will not be allowed
to worship in a church in S. Arabia, why would one
willingly go to such a place? What attracts you to a place where a follower 
of Christ cannot go

and pray in the open?



These two questions have troubled me since I was a
teenager. Any help/views will be appreciated. Mervyn3.0

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[Goanet] Classical Concert

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Kasturba Gandhi memorial Trust

Classical Western & Indian Music
Concert at kala academy
7th August, 7pm

Harmony: A concert of Indian and Light Western Classical with Jazz elements

Amit Bhosle ... Tabla
Chote Rahimat Khan ... Sitar
Eshvita Nazareth ... Violin
Andrea FErnandes .. Piano
Nauzer Daruwalla ... Violin
Nelson D'Souza ... Saxophone
Philomena D'Cruz ... Piano
Sanya Cotta ... Violin
Susan Badyari ... Flute

Goa State Strings Orchestra Conducted by Nauzer Daruwalla.

Tickets: Champs, Panjim. Magsons, Miramar. Literati Book Cafe,
Calangute. Kala Academy, Panjim. The proceeds of the show go to Hamara
School.  www.hamaraproject-goa.org

Rudolf Ludwig Kammermeier
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Gauravaddo 115/a, Calangute, Goa,
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[Goanet] Banking in Goa

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Dear Friends

Having an account in nationalised bank is a problem. Every one cannot have
atm facility either due to less education or old age. In many banks one will
notice the staff take their own time even though there is a computer before
them. The whole problem is the staff do not have will to work for the
customers. Witdrawing or depositing money, updating a pass book or even F/D
take long time. Those who own lockers find that the bank charges keep on
going high and no explanation is given no intimation is send. It looks like
the nationalised banks are doing us a favour. Name any bank and the
treatment is same. Sometimes the staff have no smile on their face and it
looks like they are carrying the world's tension on them. At the cash
counter one is at the mercy of the clerk and he will give you notes the ones
he wants to give and not what you want. The zonal managers should take
rounds and meet customers at the respective banks instead of having once in
a while customer meet where many customers like me are not even aware about
it.

Albert de Souza
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[Goanet] Goa news for August 7, 2006

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*** Goa's spirits high with Konsan Feast (IBN live)

Fields in Goa are green & ready for harvest. The season starts
with a unique festival called "Konsan Feast".

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/goas-spirits-high-with-konsan-feast/17741-3.html


*** Go to Goa (Ohmynews)

On the west coast of India lies Goa, famous for its exotic
beaches, Portuguese-style old villas and historical churches.
Its 82 miles of coastline are blessed with some of the
finest... 

http://www.ohmynews.com/function/rss_ArticleView.asp?lng=eng&at_code=350819


*** Security stepped up in Goa (The Hindu)

Alert about possible terrorist activities in coastal regions

http://www.thehindu.com/2006/08/06/stories/2006080605181200.htm


*** Goa celebrates annual harvest festival (New Kerala)

Raia (Goa) : Celebrations for the annual harvest festival of
˜Konsachem kicked off in Goa with a priest symbolically
cutting a bunch of paddy on Saturday.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3020


*** Goa may get heavy rain: Met (The Times of India)

The coastal belt of Konkan and Goa, Mumbai, and neighbouring
Gujarat state are in for extremely heavy rainfall over the next
48 hours.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1863286.cms


*** Pre-marital HIV test mandatory in Goa? (The Times of
India)

The Goa govt will discuss at the next meeting of the Cabinet
the issue of legislation on mandatory HIV tests before
marriage.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1854382.cms


*** Goa govt names five freedom fighters to attend function
(New Kerala)

Panaji: Goa Government has named five freedom fighters to
attend the `At Home' function to be hosted by the President of
India on August 9 at Rashtrapati Bhavan in New Delhi.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=2186


*** Goa put on alert following caution from Centre (New
Kerala)

Panaji, Aug 4: A security alert has been sounded across Goa
following a communication from Central government, State Chief
Secretary J P Singh said here today.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=2558


*** Goa aim for taekwondo gold in 1st Lusofonia Games in Macau
(Navhind Times)

Margao, Aug 4: A four-member senior taekwondo team in the
Olympic weight category, will represent Goa at the inaugural
Lusofonia Games in Macau in October.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=081813


*** Centre asks Goa to beef up security on I-Day (Navhind
Times)

Panaji, Aug 4: The ministry of home affairs has sounded alert
to Goa on the Independence Day, August 15, and asked to tighten
the security around vital installations and soft targets,
markets or places frequented by tourists.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=081719


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[Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions .. God fearing & evil

[Gilbert Lawrence]

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I have not been following this thread.  But happened to run into "Exposure of 
misconceptions ... God fearing & evil" post by Elisabeth.  The post appeared 
logical, but deep down does not make sense.  Elisabeth is making a logical 
argument on (normal) human behavior based on a pathological / abnormal / 
disease process. She uses Andrea Yates as her example.  Andrea Yates' fear of 
God (leading her to kill her five children) was pathological, and she was under 
intensive medical care for her mental condition.  Complicating her management 
was she could not take her medications while she was pregnant.  

The sad situation was Andrea embracing strange, new thoughts and ideas from 
self-proclaimed authorities. (see below). This is not uncommon in today's world 
where everyone can propound a theory with little qualifications or 
substantiating data.  Those with a predisposed mental condition are prime 
victims of such "new thinking".  Contrary to Andrea thinking, most religious 
people love their God. 

Yet following Elisabeth's (and atheist / agnostic) argument, all human thinking 
appears physiological or pathologically driven. As she puts it, "To me all 
"evil" is just mental dysfunction".  And as a consequence man / women have no 
capacity to think of free will.  Is Elisabeth saying that humans are robots 
driven by pre-designed and in-built control mechanisms?  And the evil is the 
dysfunction of these control mechanism?  Some of this may be true in that, 
there are still undiscovered chemical imbalances in the brain leading to 
psychosis and other neurological problems.  However society and medicine have 
to deal with the issues NOW as we best see them.

Her theory below on Good and Evil is strange to me.  Even Mother Teresa facing 
many ills of this world did not claim that "evil emanates from the devil."  To 
me this sound a bit like Michael Woroniecki (see below).

Elisabeth appears to do what many Americans do.  They use a solitary / rare 
abnormal situation(s) to make generalizations, express opinions on and make 
rules and regulations for the vast majority of normal people / situations.   
Defense attorneys would love to have Elisabeth as an expert witness. 
Kind Regards, GL

--- Elizabeth Carvalho wrote: 
Evil, as we traditionally define it, cannot exist if one is either an agnostic 
or atheist. The concept of evil, is a corollary to the concept of God, hence 
evil emanates from the devil and goodness from God.


Andrea Yates
Michael Woroniecki was a traveling minister from whom Rusty (Andrea's husband) 
purchased their bus and whose religious views had influenced both Rusty and 
Andrea. Rusty only agreed with some of Woroniecki's ideas but Andrea embraced 
the extremist sermons. He preached, "the role of women is derived from the sin 
of Eve and that bad mothers who are going to hell create bad children who will 
go to hell." Andrea was so totally captivated by Woroniecki that Rusty and 
Andrea's family grew concerned.
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[Goanet] My Christian Mother.

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I was four when she had me plead with Jesus, Mary and Joseph to assist me in 
my 'last agony' :  read Irish nuns in Karwar,  her  boarding school in 1930.   
This hyperactive brat was compelled to kneel through a three hour sung mass,  
famished,  we had to show up hungry !   I understand  Nasci's  baggage,  
perhaps he belongs to mother's  Sangolda - Assagao bigot belt,  only,  i dont 
think any of them had access to that mirror George and i discovered in the 
West. Certainly,  my mother would have learnt that half the village could not 
be compelled to squat on the church floor because of their origins !

 We here live with the 'pain' of another kind of deliverence :  our Jesus 
is also Oxfam,  Ban the Bomb,  Debt Relief,  Stop Aids,  how i wish Nasci's 
piety could diversify.  Don't get me wrong now,  mother fed every last stray 
dog down the street,  but her concept of  'reeth'  meant she had to admonish 
the kid who showed up to chop our firewood wearing slippers: she was genuinely 
indignant !  

  Well,  guess  what,  Reeth ,  the Ordained Order,  goes to the very 
heart of the Hindu Universe -   the Beginning ,  and the  End.   
  Rest in Peace,  Mum,   Christian to the last beat.

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[Goanet] Release of the New Archdiocesan Directory 2006

[Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media - Goa]

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The new Directory of the Archdiocese of Goa and Daman was released by
Archbishop Filipe Neri Ferrao, at a simple ceremony held this evening at
Archbishop's House, Panjim, in the presence of Archbishop Raul Gonsalves,
Heads of various Diocesan Bodies, and the Staff of Archbishop's House. The
Directory, published by the Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media
and printed at New Age Printers, the diocesan press at Verna, comes in a
neat shrink-wrapping of two volumes. The first, hard bound, with 298
pages, contains information of more permanent character, v.g. history and 
pastoral organization of the archdiocese, details and photographs of every 
parish church, territorial maps, information on the various religious 
congregations and church institutions, besides a photo gallery of some diocesan
institutions and events. The second volume, paperback, has 126 pages and
information that is likely to change frequently, like personnel in the
diocesan councils and bodies as well as institutions, names and addresses of
the clergy, etc. It is planned to bring out the second volume every year.
The two-volume packet costs Rs. 100/- and will be available, from
10thinstant, at the Archbishop's House, Institute Piedade and St. Paul
Sisters (18th June Road) in Panjim, Grace Church and Lighthouse in Margao, St.
Andrew's Church and Treasure House in Vasco, Pastoral Institute and Bom
Jesus Basilica, Old Goa and St. Jerome's Church, Mapusa.
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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples

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On 05/08/06, cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Goanetters,
> I think Santosh is making a very valid point that God-fearing people can,
> and do engage in horrendous evil. Osama bin Ladan is a perfect example,
> killing for his warped view of the love of his God-fearing maker, and the
> 'sacred' land of Saudi Arabia where Mohamed the prophet was born and lived.
> And so are the suicide bombers, wanting to get to heaven in double-quick
> time to meet the God they so fear and also love! So also were the Crusaders
> in earlier times...

Comment: God fearing, in this day and age too!

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'

URL:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html


and some more

Tony Blair's announcement that he will henceforward account only to
God for the Iraq war makes perfect sense. Every secular reason he has
concocted for the catastrophe has turned out to be the reverse of the
truth: there were no weapons of mass destruction, we are less safe
from terrorism, the Iraqi people themselves do not want us in their
country. No more of his excuses for this epic man-made disaster stand
an earthly chance of being believed.

URL:-
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/03/the_time_for_ac_1.html


Now please, inform me that these, two leaders cannot really be 'God
fearing' they should be clubbed with the 'inquisitors' the 'Islamo
facists' the 'Hindutva brigade' the 'Hezbollah' the newly liberated
'Iraqi Shiites' , the 'Sunni Insurgents' and the  'Bubbas' inhabiting
the Southern States of U.S.A as well as and not forgetting the Toledo,
Ohio, clown.
-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
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[Goanet] RLAF meets A.R.Antulay, Union Minister of Minority commission

[pratapananda naik]

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ROMI LIPI ACTION FRONT
  C/o TSKK
  B.B.Borkar Road
  Alto Porvorim, Goa - 403 521
  E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Mobile:9850658565
   
  Sir,
   
  Kindly give publicity to the following press release.
   
   
  Fr. Pratap Naik, S.J.
  Spokesperson
  RLAF
   
  RLAF Meets A.R. Antulay Union Minister of Minority Affairs
   
  Mr. Abdul R. Antulay, the Central Minister of Minority Affairs was in Goa on 
5 and 6 August 2006.  His comment regarding Roman script issue has been 
published in Navhind times page 1 of Sunday 6 August.  It reads "I would be 
happy to see Konkani in Devnagari as well as in Roman script accorded with the 
status of the official state language".
  Romi Lipi Action Front (RLAF) delegation met Antulay on 6August at 11.30 
a.m. at Raj Niwas, Dona Paula and submitted a memorandum to him to press for 
their demand to give official status to Konknni written in Roman script.   
RLAF presented to him all the necessary documents related to the burning issue 
of Roman script in Goa.  RLAF presented him a copy of Konknni Bible  in Roman 
script.  He was well pleased to see such a well printed Opus Magnum. He 
enquired about the translators and publisher of this valuable Bible.  He 
informed the delegation that he has spoken his views on Saturday during the 
Birthday celebration of Adv. Ramakant Khalap, supporting the amendment to 
include Roman script in the Language Act.  He told the delegation repeatedly 
that he is convinced the genuine grievance of  Roman script supporters and he 
promised them that he would everything which is within his capacity to amend 
the Official Language Act. The delegation of RLAF consists of Prince Jacob, 
 Goa Shahir Ulhas Buyao and Fr. Pratap Naik, S.J. 
   
  Pratap Naik, S.J.
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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions .. re Godfearing & evil

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Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, evil has little or nothing to do with the
> concept of God.  The concept of God simply
> highlights the difference between good and evil.



Mario,
WE GET IT!

The above two sentences make sense only when you read
the last one first.
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Re: [Goanet] Misconceptins about God and evil - response to dr Helekar

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A typo in my prior email below. Referring to Bush, I meant to say "He endorsed 
the Republican
Party Texas platform in 2004 which refers to America as a Christian nation."  I 
incorrectly wrote
"God" instead of "America".

George


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"In the 2000 primary, he said Christ was his most important philosopher. He 
endorsed the
Republican Party Texas platform in 2004 which refers to God as a Christian 
nation." 
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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of ....... re Godfearing & evil/response to Mario

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Dear Mario,

Your disdain for fellow posters knows no bounds.

First off is your assertion, that evil has nothing to
do with God. Actually incorrect. The concept of evil
as a separate entity came into common ideology with
the Abrahamic religions, which separated evil from
God, thus creating "God" and the "Devil". (Former
polytheist religions encapsulated both in one God.
Hence you have Zeus who didn't think twice of raping
women and Shiva who is both the destroyer and the
regenerator.) The modern ideological concept of evil
is closely tied to religion and its tenets.

Secondly, enough with the compound sentences that
manage to obscure the meaning of every post. My
premise is simply that all that we define as evil, is
redefined when more information comes to light.

My father once told me only "immoral girls smoked
cigarettes". Growing up, I was a terrible asthmatic.
He should have told me the truth. That smoking would
kill me. Luckily, I found that out for myself. In the
world he grew up in, his version WAS the truth.

At one time homosexuality was considered "evil". Then
psychologists labeled homosexuality as a sexual
aberration. Much money and time was spent in
"cleansing" this evil from oneself. Fortunately, we
know more about homosexuality to be accepting of it
without labeling it.

Many "thought disorders" such as paranoia,
schizophrenia, bi-polar, were considered to be
manifestations of the "devil" in people, and they were
said to be possessed. Today, we rightfully treat this
dysfunction.

Other dysfunctions such as kleptomania are now treated
by therapy rather than punishment. As our knowledge
grows even pedophilia is being treated as a disease
and addressed through measures such as chemical
castration.

Sometimes, we are painfully aware of what is right and
wrong, but compulsions are so over-riding, that we
clamp down on that part of the brain which sends out
signals of caution, remorse,empathy etc. In this
respect too, there is work being down on brain
circuitry and there is evidence that some aspect of
criminal brains are different from that of more
functional human beings.

Far from absolving people of their "evil", I place the
entire onus of their dysfunction on themselves. They
are either the victims of mental dysfunction or
cultural conditioning (such as bigotry) that leads to
mental dysfunction of sorts. The original purpose of
prisons is lost on our modern societies. It was to
remove the dysfunctional person from society, hence
offering society protection from him, and secondly to
provide the person an opportunity to meditate on his
crime.

Elisabeth
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--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> Mario observes:
> >
> Don't you just LOVE this wand-waving brand of
> atheism
> or agnosticism?  Doesn't it prove what I have been
> saying on this forum, that there are no reliable
> standards when it comes to the moral codes of
> unorganized individual atheists and agnostics?
> >
> This is the most comical version of evil I have
> heard
> in a long time.  The communist totalitarian
> dictators
> must be smiling in their vinegar.  
> >
> Actually, evil has little or nothing to do with the
> concept of God.  The concept of God simply
> highlights
> the difference between good and evil.
> >



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Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women

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<>

As far as I know, there's no evidence of "rape rooms". I must admit
that most of my knowledge about Iraqi affairs is acquired through the
media. There's evidence of "torture rooms", plenty of it, and they
were used against political rivals.

Saddam's sons, particularly the elder one Uday, were said to be
extremely cruel. Uday allegedly took saddistic pleasure in torturing
whoever crossed his path. But, according to eye-witnesses, he never
actively participated in the process though he apparently enjoyed
watching his preys getting roasted by his minions. He once shot a
friend to death just because the latter refused to part with his
sports car! He publically beat a woman to death for "fixing" a keep
for Saddam.

"Rape rooms" seem to be a figment of the neocons' imagination. For
them, truth is what Dubya tells them it is!

Cheers,
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[Goanet] Banking services

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Friends
The banking services of the nationalised banks is very poor. Sometimes one 
has to stand in long ques to withdraw, or deposit or update their pass book. 
The careadam attitude of the staff needs to be probed. The staff have no 
right to go on strike if they cannot give the customers a good and deserving 
service until then let private banks rule Goa
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Re: [Goanet] Can a Christian be a Communist?

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--- Aristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> But what I am talking about is the Communist
> philosophy, 
>
Mario replies:
>
The essence of the communist philosophy is a denial of
the humanity of the individual, and a denial of their
personal rights, including property, free speech and
assembly, all under the cover-up of altruism.  The
hostility towards religion is a corollary because
communism is incompatible with religion.  The
repression was necessary to impose an ideology that is
alien to the human spirit, unless of course you
believe that people's lives should be micro-managed
and controlled by others.
>
Aristo writes:
>
> But Communism can survive in a democratic setup, 
> but again, that's only when they are in a minority 
> and have no other option.
>
Mario responds:
>
They can survive as a fringe political group precisely
because they cannot practice their diabolical
ideology.  In this case they are an extreme version of
socialists.  
>
Aristo writes:
>
> It do not think it is written anywhere in the
> Communist Manifesto (yea, I had to actually 
> download it and go through it since you love
> to refer to it ever so often) that Communism has to
> be brutal and repressive.
>
Mario responds:
>
Aristo, c'mon man.  Are you pulling my leg?  Are you
seriously suggesting that you expected to find
brutality and repression in their manifesto?  They
were nuts, but they weren't stupid!
>
The brutality and repression becomes necessary when
they try to implement their philosophy of coercively
confiscating wealth and distributing it, thereby
bringing everyone down to the least common
denominator.  How hard would you work if you and your
family were not the primary beneficiaries? 
Conversely, how hard would you work if the state gave
you everything?  Communism kills incentive on all
sides.  That's basically why it can never work. 
Capitalism is just the opposite, personal incentives
all over the place.   
>
Aristo writes:
>
> As per the philosophy, Communism IS egalitarian in 
> nature.
>
Mario responds:
>
No, it's not.  There was nothing egalitarian in the
old Soviet Union or China.  The aristocrats had been
replaced by the communist bureaucrats.
>
Aristo writes:
>
> I am talking about peaceful and well intentioned 
> Communists of today.
>
Mario observes:
>
The only reason some of them are peaceful today is
because they have no choice.  How do you bully anyone
from a minority position?
>
Aristo writes:
>
> I do not subscribe to the means of obtaining that
> egalitarianism, ie, the Robin hood method. To me, 
> altruism (which is against human nature) should be 
> voluntary.  I'd rather prefer the trickle down 
> effect, and circulation of money to achieve 
> egalitarianism.
>
Mario responds:
>
Voluntary?  Under communism?  Are you kidding? 
Nothing in communism is voluntary.  Were you absent in
history class?  I think you are still trying to pull
my leg.
>
"Circulation of money"???  What makes it circulate?
>
Wealth trickling down voluntarily and circulation of
money is part of capitalism, my friend, the exact
opposite of communism.
>
Aristo writes:
>
> Plus, ever so often, gems like Warren Buffet and 
> Bill Gates (forget the means by which he got rich) 
> donate sums greater than Germany's annual defense 
> budget and India's annual Health budget put 
> together, and that couldn't happen under communism.
>
Mario responds:
>
The greatest level of private altruism takes place in
the US, from the fruits of capitalism, given freely
and voluntarily to those in need.  Buffet and Gates
are TWO johnny come latelies that you read about
because they have given so much so recently.  This
takes place on a smaller scale from top to bottom in
the US.
>
Aristo writes:
> 
> OK, I must admit I was wrong in thinking that
> theoretically, religion had nothing to do with 
> Communism. 
>
Mario responds:
>
Religion to communism is like a mongoose to a cobra.
>
Aristo writes:
> 
> This is an example of the deeds of a brutal
> dictatorial regime who, ike most other dictatorial >
regimes - Communist or not, inevitably turn out to 
> be ruthless and corrupt.
> 
Mario responds:
>
You are still stuck on the theoretical egalitarianism
and missing how this was to be achieved in practice. 
If they were so egalitarian, then why were they not
democratic?
>
There was not a single communist state that was not
dictatorial and repressive, because their system
required it in order to snatch everyone's assets a

Re: [Goanet] Rock Solid Moral Codes

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Hi Aristo,

Looks like you missed a lively discussion by AMATEURS on Believers and 
Non-Believers in God.:=))  The conclusions that I arrived are, and these may 
help answer your questions: The specific answer to them are at the end of the 
post.  My apologies to you and other goanetters for the length of this post.  
This is my last post on this thread.  Though I may have started a new one.:=))

SUMMARY
1. It's difficult to rely on labels and generalizations.  So Believers may not 
follow their faith and what they claim they believe.   And Non-believers 
(atheists), deep in their heart, may believe in a set of moral codes making 
them "believers" in something.  And as some have publicly written, they 
practice one and preach another so as "to sound  intellectual."  So the next 
time we meet a Goenkar, unfortunately we will not take him at his label, but 
investigate in advance his / her true beliefs and practices.

2. Fundamentally, atheists believe they have No Soul and there is No 
After-life.  On this basis, it stands to reason, they do not believe in a God 
or that there is a need for a God.  Unfortunately due to some love-hate link, 
many atheists love to hate their former religion.  It is frequent for atheists 
or their pseudonyms to return to the faith as "Born Again" after their walk in 
the wilderness.

3. On an individual basis, presence or absence of a belief may or may not have 
any effect on behavior.  There is a greater probability of practicing a code in 
True Believers' society because  those norms are well known, and, among other 
things there is "internal policing" by members of their society. Thus an 
individual believer is dissuaded from "pick and choose" one's own moral codes 
and practices.

Most of your questions in your post are related to atheism and theism.  For 
you,  this thread of religious belief has / should become a theological one.  
Hence, you should address your questions to theologians. Then you and us will 
have opinions from some recognized experts. Or else we are just going round in 
circles, as you alluded in your post. And going round in circles is not 
enriching us, as individuals or as goanet community.  You may not believe it, 
but I find this a sterile subject.  This is my last post on "Rock Solid Moral 
Codes."  

My interest in the religion thread is more sociological rather than 
theological,  Perhaps you and others may have perspectives to these issues on 
Goan Society (see below) which I would like to hear. 

We are now into what I think is more important for Goan society.  It is the 
impact of "pick and choose" of moral codes and cultural practices on the entire 
society. Some may not know what this is. It is among other things includes, 
living the religion, its codes, and not engaging in divorce, pre-marital 
live-in relations, extra-marital sex, abortion, etc., unless of course the 
religious / moral codes permit them.  These issues are not new.  Western 
society has traversed this path over the last forty years. So we have their 
experience to guide us if we use that model / experience.  These statistics are 
being discussed in a parallel thread.

Impact on Goan Society:  
1. If Goans CHANGE their religion or moral codes, that they and others rightly 
or wrongly identify them with, can we then claim to have a cultural identity - 
called Goan?  
2. Does / can a religiously and culturally UNDEFINED "Goan identity" be 
protected and preserved as a socio-political unit called State of Goa?  
3. What makes Goa and Goans DIFFERENT from Maharastrian or Kanada?  Is it just 
the territory that had 450 years of Portuguese rule with no lasting impact on 
its populace?  
4. What is the common BOND between Goans with widely differing cultural 
practices and moral values?
5. Do parents who do not practice a cultural code have a MORAL RIGHT to expect 
their kids live by the same cultural code?
6. What LEGACY (cultural codes and practices) do Goans who are 50+ years old, 
will leave behind to the next generation?

On a professional level, it is my experience that people who have faith accept 
death and dying more easily and peacefully than those who do not have faith.  
Though some believers are angry with God for their plight and impending 
situation.  

As it tends to happen on Goanet, you may produce papers and web links 
contradicting the following. In my conversation, our social worker with hands 
on experience of terminal p

Re: [Goanet] Goa... the simple life re writing

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On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 Frederick FN Noronha wrote :

>Writing isn't a
>talent. It's a discipline. Anyone can learn it, just as anyone 
>can
>learn swimming, cycling, neat handwriting, calligraphy and many 
>more
>skills.

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[Goanet] Final Solution Screening on August 10

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CITIZENS’ INITIATIVES FOR COMMUNAL HARMONY

The film 'Final Solution', an anti-hate/violence film set in Gujarat
during the period Feb/March 2002 - July 2003, will be screened at
Caritas Holiday Home Conference Room, Santa Inez, Panjim, on Thursday,
10 August 2006 at 6.00 p.m. The director, Rakesh Sharma, will be
present, and the screening will be followed by a discussion with him.

Sd/-
Albertina Almeida  Ramesh Gauns
Co-convenors

--
Final Solution 

Dir: Rakesh Sharma
India 2004 
149 minutes 

Final Solution is a study of the politics of hate. Set in Gujarat during
the period Feb/March 2002 - July 2003, the film graphically documents
the changing face of right-wing politics in India through a study of the
2002 genocide of Moslems in Gujarat. It specifically examines political
tendencies reminiscent of the Nazi Germany of early/mid-1930s. Final
Solution is anti-hate/ violence as  those who forget history are
condemned to relive it . 

Part 1: Pride and Genocide deals with the carnage and its immediate
aftermath. It examines the patterns of pre-planned genocidal violence
(by right-wing Hindutva cadres), which many claim was state-supported,
if not state-sponsored. The film reconstructs through eyewitness
accounts the attack on Gulbarg and Patiya (Ahmedabad) and acts of
barbaric violence against Moslem women at Eral and Delol/Kalol
(Panchmahals) even as Chief Minister Modi traverses the state on his
Gaurav Yatra. 

Part 2 : The Hate Mandate documents the poll campaign during the
Assembly elections in Gujarat in late 2002. It records in detail the
exploitation of the Godhra incident by the right-wing propaganda
machinery for electoral gains. The film studies and documents the
situation months after the elections to find shocking faultlines,
voluntary ghettoisation, segregation in schools, formal calls for
economic boycott of Moslems and continuing acts of violence. 



Rakesh Sharma began his film/TV career in 1986 as an assistant director
on Shyam Benegal's Discovery of India. His broadcast industry experience
includes the set up/ launch of 3 broadcast channels in India: Channel
[V], Star Plus and Vijay TV and several production consultancy
assignments. He has now gone back to independent documentary
film-making. His last film Aftershocks: The Rough Guide to Democracy won
the Best documentary film award at Fribourg, Big MiniDV and Big Muddy
and 7 other awards (incl. the Robert Flaherty prize) at various
festivals in USA/ Europe in 2002-03. It has been screened at over 90
international filmfests. Aftershocks was also rejected by the
government-run Mumbai International film festival in 2002. Note : The
209 minute version, structured in 4 parts, is available as a 4-VCD set
and on VHS. 

Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Final Solution was banned in India by the censor board for several
months. The ban was lifted after a sustained campaign (an online
petition, hundreds of protest screenings countrywide, multi-city
signature campaigns and dozens of letters to the Government sent by
audiences directly). Final Solution was rejected by the government-run
Mumbai International film festival and was screened at Vikalp: Films for
Freedom (http://www.freedomfilmsindia.org), organised by the Campaign
Against Censorship. Rakesh Sharma has been an active member of the
Campaign since its inception. 

Awards : Wolfgang Staudte award & Special Jury Award (Netpac), Berlin
International film festival Humanitarian Award for Outstanding
Documentary, HongKong International film festival Silver Dhow (Best Doc
category), Zanzibar International film festival Best feature-length
documentary, Big MiniDV (USA) Special Jury Mention, Munich Dokfest,
Nominated for the prestigious Grierson Awards (UK) Special Award by NRIs
for a Secular and Harmonious India (NRI-SAHI), NY-NJ, USA 

Festivals : Berlinale (International premiere; Feb 2004), HongKong,
Fribourg, Sao Paulo, 3 continents filmfest (South Africa), Hot Docs
(Canada), Vancouver, Zanzibar, Durban, Vermont International film
festival (USA), Asiatica filmmediale (Rome), Leeds (UK), Cork (Ireland),
Bogota ( Colombia), Commonwealth film festival (UK), One world filmfest
(Prague), Academia Olomouc (Czech), Voces Contra el Silencio (Mexico),
Istanbul 1001fest, Singapore, Flanders (Belgium), International film
festival of Human rights (Spain), South A

Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women

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Cornel,

I honestly feel your questions below ought
to have been directed towards Mario himself.
RKN said he was in Kwt, not Iraq.  It could
just be that Mario is privy to some 'insider'
info (I won't dismiss Mario's resources, just
as I never did Ole Xac Bernado's.)  It could
even be that Mario speaks first hand ...
he might have been in one of those rooms.
We must ask him.

Rgds, Valmiki


On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 cornel wrote :

>Is
>there any evidence for Mario's much repeated claim of "rape 
>rooms" in Sadaam
>Hussein's Iraq? He also implies that Sadaam Husein's sons were 
>the
>'performers' in such relatively public activity with husbands and 
>sons
>forced to watch etc. Are we to believe that, Sadaam's sons really 
>were such
>great studs and up to the required task proclaimed by Mario?
>Cornel
>- Original Message -
> From: "Radhakrishnan Nair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 5:16 PM
> > Well, I was in Kuwait during the Iraqi invasion. I was staying 
>in the
> > city centre (Darwaza) area, a few km from my office in 
>Shuwaikh.
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Re: [Goanet] apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com (2)

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--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, other than the Palestinian and Lebanese children who are deliberately 
> put in harm's way
> by their parents. 

Mario,

Since you ran out of FOX NEWS ideas on the GX forum and could not counter the 
rock solid arguments
of others, you left to protect yourself in the more secure (Goa centric) 
Goanet.  But your
personal insults & ignorance on many matters continues here. However, your 
sentence above is the
most insensitive comment I have ever read in cyberspace. Accusing parents of 
putting their
children in harm's way, has to be beneath contempt, when as all the world 
knows, the innocent
children were murdered by GUIDED Israeli bombs.

Regards,
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[Goanet] Cert. 'A' Tiatr: KITEAK HO BAZAR CHOLTA ? as I see it... (with 4in1 photos)

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KITEAK HO BAZAR CHOLTA ?

 
 - This was the second show at Panaji, first one being at Margao on 4th 
Aug.2006.

 - It was to start at 7.30 pm but was started at 8.15pm (finished at 11.45pm) 
due to
the late finishing of Shri Ramakant Kalap (ex-Union Minister and MGP) 60th birth
anniversary felicitation ceremony there, which started at 2.30pm.

 - Sr. Tiatrist Sabina , see pic, (wife of Late Greg)  played the role of 
brothel
‘bai-i’. She is still too good and her  voice still the same. Excellent 
performance.

 - Another Senior Tiatrist/Kantorist Shri Remie Colaco, see pic, also done very
well. Same style/voice/action.  It really brings back the memory of then famous 
trio
with M.Boyer-Remie Colaco-Jancit Vaz. 

 - Yet another senior Kantorist Shri Marcelin de Betim, see pic, sang two songs 
with
same old style and voice, although visibly seen lot of signs of aging.

 - Four brothel girls, Felcy, Ana, Buska and.?, see pics, played very good 
roles but
Buska was really, to me, was a sex bomb shell.

 - Brothel ‘Dalal’ or agent Mr.Ronny, seen first time, see pic, played excellent
role.

 - Our Willy (tall and long hair) played the role of typical bollywood villain, 
was
excellent too.

 - There was one knatorist Shir Neves Oliveira from Bombay, I see him for the 
first
time, see pic, sang a song of Bombay serial blasts which received big public
applause. In another song, he  tells ladies not to take lift from strangers or 
even
from known people, use public transport instead.

 - Yet there was another young and new tiatrist/kantorist, Elvis, I see him for 
the
first time, sang two songs one duo with Buska as bridal couple, see pic,  and 
one
solo, see pic, where he says all ministers who are 60 years and above should 
retire
now.

 - Comedians like Selvy, Aurellio, Peter D costa, Fernand etc, see pic, also at
their best.

 - Ever seen the age old traditional ‘Zagor’ if not , see pic.  Zagor were 
existed
even early 70s, in salcette, maily from Kunnbi/ Gauddi communities. With 
colourful
dressing, ‘Gumott’ etcm. This was shown live on stage.  This has really brought 
back
those memories.

 - Also traditional ‘Zotkaxi, Render & Kharvi’, Mini Mario-Aurelio-Peter, see 
pic.

 - Although it was for adults only, there were  many youngsters of age group 
8-17.
Inlcluding Young Chico and Jr. Chico and other child tiatr artistes.

  There were many other famous tiatrists like Anil, Tony Dias etc etc

 - There is nothing so called 'adult' material except some brothel girls in 
their
mini-skirts and in typical prostitute pose (as they do for soliciting customers 
etc)

 - I feel, these tiatr can be watched by all under ‘U’ certificate.  There is
something to learn for both young and old.

 
Every one should watch this unique Tiatr


It  shows you how and why some girls end up in taking prostitution as their
profession.  All songs/singers received louder public aplause.


Congratulations to Mini Mario and his entire team.

 
 Check these photos 4 in 1

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/207794080/

 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/207794084/  seniors


http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/207794087/

 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/207794086/ zagor etc

 
How to view these photos in large size ?

Once, you click on the link (above), it will give you ‘medium’ size view.

For larger size view, click on ‘see different sizes’ to the right and then 
‘large
size’ on the top right. 

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Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing & Bigotry (attn. G. Pinto

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"Frederick Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
 On 02/08/06, Nasci Caldeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> I do not see any gross injustices or bigotry
 from Indian Christians, practiced IN INDIA, at the
> present time or in the immediate past. If anyone

  FRED asserts: 
> Nasci, You are conveniently restricting yourself to
> a frame of
> reference where you know you probably won't find
> "inconvenient"
> evidence. If you look at the globe, you will find
> "gross injustices"
> and "bigotry" from a number of persons who are
> Christian. So, I wonder
> why you lash out at people of other faiths in all
> your writing.
> 
  NASCI replies:
Dear Fred, I am delberately restricting myself; since
I am only interested in protesting against those Hindu
practices In India, which offend others in PUBLIC
Areas, as also which are being all directly and
indirectly imposed on other non believers. I am not
concerned with what is anyone's belief and practiced
strictly in private.
Globally as you say; it may be as you say about
Christians; therefore there are movements and wars to
counter these! What is anyone doing in India, in the
Indian context of Hindutva dadagiri? I am trying to do
my bit. That's all.

In India/Goa, the freedom for religious practice,
is isolated to parts of the country; and is
effectively stymied by the majority Hindus (caste  
Hindus) in large parts of the country. How about that?
 
  FRED asserts: 
> In India, we have had religious freedom and
> tolerance in greater measure than some of the
Western (read WASP)countries you admire.
> What we have been seeing since the mid-nineties is
> not the doings of Hinduism. It stems from Hindutva
(a political ideology, not to be confused with the
religion Hinduism). This reflects
> the intolerant, bigoted fringe, which is trying to
seize control of Hinduism and play the role of a
self-appointed spokesperson. Just as people of your
ike
> represent the intolerant, bigoted fringe of their
> own religions.
 
  Nasci replies: 
I know all about this Hindutva business! It actually
started soon after the Nehru era; but gained momentum
from as early as when Indira was PM for the first
time. If it is not religion, as you say; then why is
anyone and the Govt. allowing this to go on under the
'guise of religious freedom'?? Why is there no public
movement to ban this behavior and put the same into
'Constitutional Law'? Is that not a trampling on the
freedom of other religions?
I am only protesting against the caste prejudices and
animal worship as these inpact on other non believers
in a major way! I am only demanding from them, their
respect and tolerence of others' beliefs; as also not
to impose their beliefs on others! So then WHO IS the
BIGOT? I am not forcing my religious beliefs on
others.

FRED asserts:
> a religion which you obviously don't even
> understand, though your ancestors belonged to it. 
NASCI:
If my ancestors were hindu, does not mean that I have
to remain primitive in thought and worship, in this
day and age!

FRED asserts:
  To call Hindus animal worshippers is akin to
> saying that Catholics worship wood, because of all
> the statues in the churches. 

NASCI responds:
Vasant and Vivek and Santosh have testified and
support that Hindus 'worship' animals; and Vasant even
said that the people have been asked to refrain from
doing that. I do not care who worships what; as long
as these have no public impact on others' day to day
life.

Fred, the Hindus actually 'WORSHIP' animals and other
deities like Ganesh; that's their business! Christians
do not worship the 'Wood of the Cross' but do only
venerate  that 'Wood'. They do not worship the statues
made of wood; they do venarate the persons whom the
statues represent, as also the Virgin Mary. Only The
Father in Heaven and Jesus Christ and The HOLY SPIRIT
are God and worshiped as such.

 FRED quotes:
http://www.buildingwithbooks.org/res/isp/hinduism/HinduismTF.html
 Hindus believe in treating all living things equally
and have high regard for animals, especially the cow. 
Many Hindus believe that the cow is a living symbol of
mother earth.  In early agricultural times,
the cow, thought to have been the first animalHindus
domesticated, provided a lot for families, including
milk, milk products, labor, and dung.  Because cows
would give all its possessions for the benefit of
others, they were thought of as one of the most
important parts of the family. 

Nasci responds:
Dea

Re: [Goanet] Hitler as definitely a Catholic: apropos the Goanet debate on the rock solid Christian moral code.

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Hi Peter
Further to your brief comment that my view of Hitler and Stalin as 
Christians was a "dose of humour" and implicitly, a source of amusement to 
you, I felt the need to provide you, and others, data that may make
you realise that I was indeed making a very serious point in relation to the 
Goanet debate on a "rock solid Christian moral code."

To put the two characters (Hitler and Stalin) in particular context, perhaps 
I should indicate that, many years ago, I taught, Advanced Level History in 
a Further  Education College--the equivalent to the American Community 
College. What I taught then, was Modern European History which covered 1870 
to 1950. Needless to say that, colonial history, two World Wars and the 
peace in between, featured strongly within this demanding programme which 
determined competitive university entry for students.

As this was before the advent of the VCR, I often went into Central and 
Eastern Europe, by car, to generate audio visual teaching aides. A total of 
15 weeks vacation a year easily permitted this! I was immensely interested 
in this area of work and therefore photographed many of the places where 
Hitler and Stalin (and incidentally, Napoleon too) effectively
'staged' their careers. Throughout, I was intrigued by one significant 
question---how
did the two murderous monsters (who sometimes worked colaborately but never 
actually met) emerge in relatively recent historical times, to cause so much
devastation?

All this was in the 1960s, at the height of the Cold War and well before the 
Berlin Wall came down. My many photographs and slides are now of 
considerable historical interest in today's significantly changed Europe.

Thus, when I claimed in my recent posts that Hitler and Stalin (who trained 
for the Russian Orthodox  priesthood until age 20) were Christians, from 
birth, I was quite serious in my claim and now want to elaborate on this 
claim by focusing on Hitler specifically. After all, Goanet is a learning 
instrument!

For lack of time, I will present details in numbered form below so that it 
will also be easy for anyone to focus on or question one or more points made 
below. My data is
obtained from wide reading and also from the Internet. I would be 
particularly interested to hear your comments, hopefully, after you have
done some exploration on this theme too so that there is a genuine exchange 
of ideas. I have no interest in scoring points on issues nor in putting 
anybody down regarding alternative  ideas in relation to the content of this 
post. I will leave habitual 'put-downs' to the recognised 'experts' in such 
activity on Goanet!

It amazed me to discover that, although an absolute fascist, Hitler was 
definitely, more than a cafeteria Catholic. This was despite his acute 
racism and intense hatred of the Jews.  He also hated communism and the 
Slavs whom he  wanted to conquer to create living space for the Germans. He 
kept his hand in Catholicism throughout his life for understandable 
strategic reasons, but also, most intriguingly, because  of his deep belief 
and faith in Catholicism. He was bred in this faith by his intensely 
Catholic mother to whom he was entirely devoted and utterly heart-broken at 
her Catholic funeral.

A long time ago, I had read Hitler's rambling massive tome Mein Kampf. It 
was pretty
boring and easy for one to skip pages at times. I now recall that I only 
focused on Hitler's convuluted rationale and construction of Nazi ideology 
and somehow missed signs of his Catholicism in it. At that time, I took it 
that, Hitler was some kind of godless lunatic as most people believed. It is 
only more recently that I began to read much more about this character out 
of sheer curiosity and was surprised at what I discovered from the available 
huge bibliography about him and from the internet. In general, I am not 
terribly enamoured  by the 'quick fix' internet which draws from texts 
anyway. I still have a preference for scholarly texts re Hitler that have 
stood the test of time such as Kedward, Bullock, Chambers and Carrie.

There are those who reject the notion that Hitler was a Catholic and are in
'understandable' denial of this fact. Indeed, what I have to say below, 
pains me personally as I was, after all, brought up a Catholic. However, 
Catholicism has invariably had two sides to it. One, benign, soothing and 
appealing to many. The other, sadly, has been linked to pr

Re: [Goanet] apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com (2)

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On 06/08/06, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > And where are Palestinians and innocent Lebanese
> > civilians being pushed?
> >
> Mario observes:
> >
> George,
> If you knew which end of the cart the horse 
isn't it strange, but also indicative of your own
> thinking, that you dismiss and obfuscate  their
> written and publicly spoken statements, while tacitly
> supporting them in every other way?  Who do you think
> you're fooling, other than yourself, Gabe, Mervyn  and
> Cornel?

RESPONSE: It is simply not worth time and effort, to respond
meaningfully to what ? drivel? Go untie yourself first and think with
a full brain! Okay?

There was H.R.H. of Jordan, as well as a Rabi who did did not support
Israel's actions, on Larry King's CNN.


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Re: [Goanet] Misconceptins about God and evil - response to dr Helekar

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--- Bosco D'Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> George,
> 
> I'm afraid you are off-base here. The thread is about "man committing 
> atrocities against fellow human beings in the name of God". At no time did 
> Dubya
> say he was going into Iraq in the name of his God. 


I disagree. One does not have to call out the name of God while committing a 
crime against fellow
beings to be indicted in this manner. Actions speak, not necessarily words. 
Bush has been quoted
as saying he makes decisions on bended knee. In the 2000 primary, he said 
Christ was his most
important philosopher. He endorsed the Republican Party Texas platform in 2004 
which refers to God
as a Christian nation. His view on stem cell research is driven by his faith (I 
doubt he
understands the science). 

For your statement to be true, would mean Bush excludes God from areas of his 
life inspite of
being God-fearing. I doubt in his thinking he can make that leap, especially in 
matters of war. In
1998 he stood on the Temple Mount and wept, his ties with Israel go back to at 
least then. 

So it is possible for God-fearing men to commit crimes, because of the 
influence of their religion
or inspite of it. For your statement to be true, he would have to live on two 
separate paths. Not
possible. This is why Santosh and others are correct in saying God-fearing 
people commit evil,
just as atheists and agnostics do. One cannot say the Mafia were Catholic when 
they went to church
in the morning and received communion, and in the afternoon were not Catholic 
when they killed a
rival.

Regards,
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[Goanet] Can a Christian be a Communist?

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"Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" questions:
>
Mario Goveia answers:
>
FN: Can a Communist be a Christian?
MG: No.
>
FN: Can a Christian be a Capitalist?
MG: Yes.
>
FN: Can a Capitalist be a Christian?
MG: Yes.
>
FN: Can a Socialist be a Communist?
MG: Yes.
>
FN: Can a Capitalist be a Communist?
MG: No.
>
FN: Can a Goan be an American?
MG: Yes. 
>
Memo to Fred: I think you are totally confused about
what it means to be a REAL Communist.  Do you think
Sharansky and  Solzenitzhin were hallucinating?
>
"Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" wrote:
>
> If Communism is "godless", that is largely as a 
> reaction to the reality that religion -- 
> particularly by the mid-nineteenth century -- was
> already a powerful ideological force, used in its 
> day to justify the forces of feudalism, 
> colonialism, slavery and even Fascism.
>
Mario responds:
>
Communism had to be Godless because it denied the
essential humanity of the "masses", including freedom
of will, freedom of speech and freedom of independent
thought, all subservient to the will of the ruling
elite. 
>
That's not to say that social and economic reform was
not needed in Czarist Russia.  It was.
>
However, you have made a transparent attempt to make
communism sound like it was intended to help the
downtrodden.  Nothing could be further from the truth.
>
Communism was a diabolical ideology under a patina of
altruism.  It was a shrewd and naked attempt by elites
incapable of earning wealth to wrest wealth by force
from the producers of wealth and pretend to distribute
it to those who were less wealthy or poor.  Promoting
it as altruism was designed to fool the poor into
supporting the strategy.  The ideology eventually
collapsed when the masses discovered that most of the
benefits accrued to the incompetent controlling
elites, who had replaced the competent wealthy segment
of the population.
>
The communist hostility to religion was simply a
recognition that religion was a mortal enemy to their
ideology.
>
The essential flaw in communism, and it's first
cousin, extreme socialism, and it's second cousin,
political liberalism, is that they remove the personal
incentive for economic achievement from both the high
achievers and the low achievers who become dependent
on the elites and even more helpless than they were
previously.  Requiring brutal force to impose their
ideology, the failure of these ideologies to gain any
long lasting traction was predictable.
>
Fred Noronha writes:
>
> By making sure that conservativism stays fully in 
> control of religion, the Mario Goveias are ensuring 
> the continued political misuse of religion. 
> By making sure that conservativism stays fully in
> control of religion, the Mario Goveias are 
> ensuring the continued political misuse of 
> religion. 
>
Mario asks:
>
The only ones misusing religion are those who join in
order to use it as a cover, and it's natural enemies,
the dwindling number of communists, socialists and
political liberals.
>
It's not an issue of conservatives "controlling"
religion but of liberals displaying their relative
incompatibility with religion.
>
Those that think they KNOW what's good for everyone
else, better than the people do, tried and failed to
fool people first through communism and then through
extreme socialism, and what remains is political
liberalism.  The goal of all religions is not to fool
people but to help them.  Those who pretend to be
religious but fail to follow these basic religious
tenets are charlatans.
>
It is dishonest to try and define religion by those
members who routinely and openly violate it's rock
solid moral codes.  This would be like defining all
atheists by the actions of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi
Minh, Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il and Fidel Castro.
>
Mervyn Lobo writes:
>
> The present system here is that if a priest gets
> caught/reported, the bishops just transfer the 
> deviant priest to another parish (perhaps, one that 
> will not complain about his activities?)
>
> What happens to the Bishops? Why, in the case of the
> US church, they get promoted to Rome.
>
Mario observes:
>
Mervyn is falsely describing something as "the present
system" that has been abolished years ago.  The
situation for quite sometime now is the exact opposite
of what Mervyn has written above.
>
Previously, mental health professionals thought they
could treat and cure the priestly deviants, who were
returned to service when they were deemed to be cured.
 The science ha

Re: [Goanet] London Goenkars, please note!!

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Hi Jim
I had worked out privately, and for myself, the very logical presentation 
you so well  made, re the wisdom, or not, to invest in relatively cheap, 
easily maintainable, property in Goa.

I have no skills in the use of money for investment purposes but it seemed 
like commonsense to me, to predict/anticipate  exactly what is now happening 
in Goa re foreign investment in homes etc and the value of the rupee 
compared to sterling.

Thank you for echoing my gut instinct on this issue. However, there is of 
course, another side to the issue in that, many Diaspora Goans may simply 
want the serenity of parts of Goa and an attachment to 'their own soil' 
regardless of monetary considerations.
Cornel DaCosta, London, UK.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Fernandes

> A smart Britisher would be better off, investing his money at the London 
> Stock Exchange.
>
> Jim Fernandes.
> New York.
> 


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Re: [Goanet] When beer goes in the brains go out - Goan Festival uk 2006

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On 06/08/06, Melvyn Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Subject: When beer goes in the brains go out - Goan Festival uk 2006
.. with a suggestion that you  may volounteer to attend with a =
> spirit level and carry out a risk assesment before each race or wet =
> grass during the tug of war with appropriate signs in Yellow (uk =
> standard colour for warning signs) Participants can then take part at =
> their own risk saving our army of volounteers and armchair advisors  the =
> paperwork in dealing potential litigation. The Goan Association UK as =
> far as I am aware strives
> to work in patnership with our Community and I am sure that all steps =
> are taken to ensure the safety of all our visitors. .

 I may =
> be on your side of the Bar
> Best Regards
> Melvyn Fernandes
> (written in a personal capacity)
> 5 August 2005


RESPONSE: First of all the previous post was condescending towards the
GOA Toronto - I received a lot of emails to that effect; people
enquiring, who this Melvyn Fernandes is?

Asking me to attend with a spirit level ? Now we know the calbire of
the people in charge ?


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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples

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The various opinions expressed under this thread have
been very instructive. We have been able to witness
some very good examples of squirming, straining and
double-dealing.

Cheers,

Santosh
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Re: [Goanet] Myths about ancient and modern societies

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--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You make me do a lot of research. This is because,
as >I have discovered, that you present only part of
the >data to support your agenda.  But goanetters are
>lucky. I love to look at data. :=))
> 

Gilbert,

Did you read the rest of what you wrote, and notice
your double standards? Did you notice that you have
not changed the luck of Goanetters at all because you
have provided extremely selective and limited data,
even less than me? Moreover, you have claimed that
Japan is a "traditional" country as opposed to a
modern one. You have also made up your own rules, and
modified them with each post according to your
convenience. But since you imply that "traditional"
societies have lower incarceration rates than "modern"
ones, why stop at only 3 countries, namely India,
Pakistan and Sri Lanka? Why not take the mean of the
incarceration rates of all "traditional" countries and
compare it with that of all "modern" countries?

The mean incarceration rate of all 183 "traditional"
countries for which these data are available is 167.8
per 100,000 people. 

The mean incarceration rate of all 25 "modern"
countries for which these data are available is 126.2
per 100,000 people.

The standard errors of the mean for the two sets of
countries are 9.5 and 25.8, respectively. These data
should settle the question of whether "traditional"
countries have a lower incarceration rate than
"modern" countries or not. Unless, of course, you want
to move the goal post further, and modify the
definitions again, or claim something else.

Now regarding the apples and oranges confusion that
you have presented with regard to divorce rates, here
is the U.S. divorce rate trend for the last 34 years
again, this time denoted as rate per 1000 people.

1972 – 4.1 divorces per 1000 people
1981 – 5.3 divorces per 1000 people
2000 – 4.1 divorces per 1000 people

Furthermore, in 1946 the divorce rate had peaked at
4.3 divorces per 1000 people. I have also noted
earlier that divorce is not considered immoral by
modern secular society, and by at least one ancient
religion, namely Islam.

> 
> You are indeed a friend.  So you continue to refuse
>to name your religious or non-religious path.
> 

I told you to refer to the 10-year Goanet and Goa-Goan
archives to find out about my views on religious
issues. If you had done that you would have noticed
that my path is that of a naturalist and a realist.
You would have also noticed that I do not claim to
have any reason to either disbelieve or believe in
innocuous spiritual beliefs, and that I practice
desirable practices and expose harmful ones.

Cheers,

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Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing & Bigotry (attn. G.Pinto)

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Hi cornel,
To be short and to the point;I must assert that I
want: 

1) banning of "Ban of Cow Slaughter" leglislation in
every State and Union Territory In India. There is no
such 'ban on cow slaughter' leglislation in Goa, as
far 
as I know. It is presumably a State Subject.

2) I also want legislation 'banning of protests and
violence' on public places like resautrants etc,
serving any type of food, like beef and or pork etc.
There should be legal and social tolerence and
freedom.

3)No, I do not and did not support the ban on da Vinci
Code, in any form. But I also ask that the ban on
Satanic Verses and another similar one on some thing
relating to Hinduism and Hindutva, be withdrawn and
these be allowed to be read and be available
worldwide.
Take on these Muslims and Hindus and Christians who
say otherwise.
Regards,
Nasci
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--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Nasci
> Simply for clarification only and if I got this
> right, I note that you do 
> not want a ban on cow slaughter (presumably in Goa)
> but I wonder if you 
> supported the ban on the Da Vinci Code film in Goa?
> If you did, can you 
> briefly please say why?
> Thanks
> Cornel


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Re: [Goanet] apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com (2)

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Mario
Re your post to George, it is so easy to blame the Lebanese/Hizbulla re the 
recent war. Israel in the meantime, is seating pretty on a large chunk of 
Palestinian land and actively colonising it. It also has about two or three 
other chunks from Lebanon and Syria.
What do you think the Arabs are so bitter about?
Cornel
- Original Message - 
From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Isn't it strange, but also indicative of your own thinking, that you 
> dismiss and obfuscate  their written and publicly spoken statements, while 
> tacitly supporting them in every other way?  Who do you think you're 
> fooling, other than yourself, Gabe, Mervyn  and
> Cornel?


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[Goanet] ON ROAD TO SAFETY- GOACAN PROTEST

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Dear Members of the GOACAN,
I am proud that you are focussing the attention of the authorities on the 
crux of the problems. But it is pitiable that the authorities can not do 
much on these things due to their own limitations in intentions know-how and 
systems.

Then where lies the solution?

One Valmiki or One Mario or one Mascharenhas from Germany or one Goacan 
CANNOT settle the issue.

What is lacking?IS THE FELT-NEED or the IMPORTANCE of Road Safety. The 
importance of Road safety is felt only when the Unsafe Roads reach your door 
steps! Or when your blood is attuned to Road safety from the beginning due 
to concern for the fellow beings-irrespective of their creed/colour or 
political background.

GOA NEEDS A HIGH POWER COMMITTEE ON ROAD SAFETY!

The High power committee should be formed by the Government with a Gazette 
Notification catering to the Road Safety problems of the Entire state of Goa 
and all about road safety including legal-medico problems and Trauma care.

TO DO THIS, THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD RECEIVE REPRESENTATIONS FROM PUBLIC  AND 
THERE SHOULD BE A LOBBY FOR THAT.

NEXT THING:  NO POLITICIANS AND VESTED INERESTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ENTER 
THIS LIFE SAVING ACTIVITIY- TAKE PERSONS WHO HAVE EXPERTISE AND WHO KNOW 
ROAD SAFETY.

Road Safety cannot be preached by a person who has no knowledge of driving 
and accidents and violations and some part of Road engineering.
Road safety cannot be preached from the top of the World by one who has not 
lived outside the Local Roads.
Road safety is a Movement with out a destination. It is a lifelong journey!.

THE THREE PRINCIPLES OF ROAD SAFETY  CALLED AS THREE 'E' S
ENFORCEMENT/ENGINEERING AND EDUCATION
are the essence of Road safety and Traffic Management.

ROAD SAFETY IS NOT ONLY FOR THE DISTRICT COLLECTOR AND THE DISTRICT 
SUPERINTENDENT OF POLICE. It is for every Road user, who has to implement at 
his own level without blaming the authorities. Enforcement  alone cannot 
solve the problem of accident spots. How many of us drive properly? Why do 
you blame the Roads and why do you blame the pedestrians or why do you blame 
the authorities-solely?

Maintaining good roads is a requisite for the Road safety. But providing 
good roads for bad and drunken drivers will not reduce accidents and blood 
shed!

ROAD SAFETY IS NOT A MATTER TO GET POLITICAL MILEAGE OR Publicity Stunt.

STAND ON THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD; REGULATE TRAFFIC YOURSELF FOR ONE-HOUR. You 
will realise the woes of the SUFFERINGS OF THE TRAFFIC POLICEMEN. I have 
donel it myself on the roads of CHENNAI, BANGALORE AND DELHI- over 30 years!

DISCUSS A PROBLEM ON THE VARIOUS CRITICAL POINTS AFFECTING THE ROAD SAFETY. 
YOU WILL FIND THAT YOUR OWN ROAD USERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VIOLATIONS. 
WHAT THE AUTHORITIES WILL DO IN THIS?

MY CONCEPT OF ROAD SAFETY IS:  BRING AWARENESS. TALK OF BLOOD SHED. 
REPRESENT TO THE AUTHORITIES INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE AS A 
CITIZEN CHARTER.

Enough of muddle created in the Traffic Circulation Plan at Panjim, by NON 
ROAD USERS AND NON EXPERTS.

First they all should keep off the debates. Give opportunity to the Experts 
or the so-called, till you bump on another!

MY IMMEDIATE SOLUTION TO GOACAN is a PUBLIC INTEREST LITIGATION. If YOU CAN 
: goacan?
have Road Safety.

How to go about this? consult seasoned experts in law or administration. 
Keep the Non-experts, vested interests and other politicians off this 
agenda.

GIVE A PATIENT HEARING TO THE TRAFFIC POLICE and also the ROAD TRANSPORT 
AUTHORITIES. In addition to this, Give a role to the Kadamba Transport 
through a member and also the Bus Transport Operators Representatives. THEY 
KNOW MUCH MORE AND MUCH BETTER.

am i clear in this small message?

NC
GOA
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Re: [Goanet] World Goa Day origins, history & comments

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Hi Newton & Vivian:

Thanks for endorsing what is true; I am glad that the “informed Goans” who 
know the facts have spoken!


Certainly the Goan diaspora know this, and should give due credit where it 
rightly belongs.


Regards,
Joe Vaz

.



"newton filomeno" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Joe,


You have "hit the nail on it's head!".

I fully endorsed your comments. The point in
contention should be, not who
is the originator but who works hard to make the
event famous and reach each
and every corner of the diasporia where the Goans
have found their eventual
aboard.>


Newton Marques,



From Down Under
(One of the founder memebers of the WGD org. committee in Australia).





"Vivian D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:

Thanks Joe Vaz.I second your views that the
credit for World Goa Day
should go to Rene Barreto who tirelessly and
persistently promoted this idea.
After it was up and running, many have claimed to
be the "originators" of
World Goa Day and the debate can go on ad
infinitum.  This argument can be
compared to adoptive parents who are the true
parents of the child, regardless
of the biological birth mother.

 Rene first mooted the idea of World Goa Day at
a meet we had in Toronto in
October 1993.   Others may have had the idea at
different times and maybe even
earlier than   that date.  But it is Rene Barreto
who has tirelessly promoted
this idea, which has now caught on.  Let us give
credit where it is due.
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[Goanet] OFFTOPIC: Re: Brutality of invaders against women

[Frederick \"FN\" Noronha]

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This is way offtopic. I would still like to know whether allegations
of rape in Goa in 1961 are (a) largely true (b) largely false (c)
unestablishable at this point of time (d) part of the propaganda
campaign of the propaganda war of the
colonialism-started-in-1961-in-Goa lobby.

Cornel wrote:

> I have heard absolutely no evidence for  Iraqi "rape rooms" in the media
> anywhere, and we do have some pretty sharp journalists around, always
> looking for a coup, and yet, Mario seems to know the 'truth'! Is this yet
> another illustration of  Mario's furtive imagination?

Slate has this story: http://www.slate.com/id/2100014/

Rape Rooms: A Chronology
What Bush said as the Iraq prison scandal unfolded.
By William Saletan
Updated Wednesday, May 5, 2004, at 10:54 PM ET

Amidst suggestions that Bush has stopped talking about "rape rooms"
after the US forces have been hit by sexual abuse charges.

Anyway, I apologise for this off-topic post. Moving back from IRAQnet
to GOAnet. FN

PS: Valmiki posted non-plaintext and his post seems to have got
"scrubbed". A number of posters are sending in mail in non-plaintext,
and this increases the work of the Admin team. Kindly contact Bosco
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to solve this problem once and for all at
your end, by changing the settings of your email software to send out
plain-text posts.Thanks a lot in advance...

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[Goanet] GOAN DOCTORS -WORLD WIDE egroup BRINGING GOAN DOCTORS TOGETHER

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000 000 

GOAN DOCTORS -WORLD WIDE. 

000  



This Group is created with the aim of connecting Goan Doctors all over the 
world. It's an unique opportunity to interact with other Goan Doctors, exchange 
views and work towards building a healthy Goan community. You would be updated 
with health related events in Goa and get an opportunity to make a difference. 
Your suggestions may help improve the health care delivery system and influence 
the diagnosis and management of patients worldwide!! 


Dr. Amit Dias 
Moderator. 

To join this group : 

Group Email Addresses 
goan_doctors@ yahoogroups. com , 

To Subscribe: 
goan_doctors- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com 

This is one our WORLD GOA DAY * projects * 

Lets promote TOGETHERNESS - BRING Goans , Goan Associations , 
Goan Organisations - TOGETHER for the betterment of our Goan 
Community wherever that may be. 


DON'T just CONTEMPLATE - PEARTICIPATE and MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
ACTION ! 


rene barreto 
WORLD GOA DAY - 20.8.2006 - WHEN GOANS COME TOGETEHR. 
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Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing & Bigotry

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<>

Really surprising that you missed the simple answer, Mervyn. It's
there in that story iteself:

"And with that, poor Herman had had enough. He turned to Mary and
said, "I don't want to hurt your feelings, Honey, but you know if it
weren't for your money, I probably wouldn't be here either!"

Just replace Mary with Saudi Arabia and you've the answer.

Don't be troubled anymore, Mervyn!

Cheers,
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Re: [Goanet] World Goa Day origins etc.

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As a very close friend of Rene's, Vivian's comments should be taken with a huge 
grain of salt. If
the idea what mooted in Oct 1993, then what was done about the idea? What was 
done from Oct 1993
till Goa Sudharop built WGD in 2000. Or was it one of Rene's other failed ideas 
prior to WGD?  

Sorry Vivian you not fooling anyone with your email below. WGD would not have 
happened without the
founding efforts of Goa Sudharop and I am amazed that you who were not involved 
ONE BIT, should
pretend to know now.  However, I agree with you. Lets give credit to everyone 
who made it happen.
I have already listed them previously, including credit to Rene. Do not let 
friendship blind you
to truth.

Regards,
George

--- Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I second your views that the credit for World Goa Day 
> should go to Rene Barreto who tirelessly and persistently promoted this idea. 
>  
> After it was up and running, many have claimed to be the "originators" of  
> World Goa Day and the debate can go on ad infinitum.  This argument can be 
> compared to adoptive parents who are the true parents of the child, 
> regardless 
> of the biological birth mother.
> 
>   Rene first mooted the idea of World Goa Day at a meet we had in Toronto in 
> October 1993.   Others may have had the idea at different times and maybe 
> even 
> earlier than   that date.  But it is Rene Barreto who has tirelessly promoted 
> this idea, which has now caught on.  Let us give credit where it is due.
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[Goanet] Friday August 11th @ The RIVOLI in TORONTO!!

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Dearest fellow Goanetters,

If any of you are near the Toronto area on Friday August 11th, I'll be playing 
at THE
RIVOLI (334 Queen St. West).

I am a Winnipeg-based modern singer/songwriter who is influenced by likes of Ben
Harper, Duncan Sheik, Ian Thornley and Peter Gabriel. For more info, please 
visit my
website at http://www.nealpinto.com or stream some tunes of MySpace at
http://www.myspace.com/pintomusic

I will be opening the evening with a solo set at 9:00PM with my acoustic-guitar 
and
stage-piano - followed by Toronto bands Broadside, Newspaper Taxi and Factor 
Fiction.

I'm looking forward to meeting some of you. Please spread the word if you can. 
:-)

Thanks,

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[Goanet] WEAR CASTE UP YOUR SLEEVES - TO UNDERSTAND GROUND REALITIES

[godfrey gonsalves]

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The indelible mark of caste -- has been the hallmark
of rise or fall in the Indian social ladder.  It is
merit by birth and not ones worth that dictates your
social status.  It was former PM Mr V P Singh who
through the battle of Mandal ensured that of the over
52  secretaries of the Government of India all of whom
were Brahmins the first Secretary a non Brahmin was
appointed in early August 1990 after the
recommendations of the Mandal commission were
accepted.  This was the real Independence Day for the
Indian society.

Yet we are often fed with a hatred towards the SC --it
is the ignorance of the non Brahmin masses to be fed
by this hatred against this community.  A community in
whose ears hot oil was poured or books burnt to
prohibit them from learning.  This discrimination
overtly since time immemorial and now covertly post
Independence has been the dominating force of
jettisoning the rise of other castes.  The recent
agitation over the reservation policy in Central
Institutions the demolition of the Babri Masjid the
vengence against the minority communities are an
expression of the frustration that the Brahmin
community cannot tolerate post Independence.

They fear that their status as incarnates of God on
Earth will be comprimised notwithstanding the fact
that this Brahmin community consists of just 3 % of
the Indian community but corner 85% of the jobs in the
public and private sector in India ---merely by virtue
of merit by birth and not by ones worth.

Therefore it is not a surprise to realise that  it is
the miniscule Brahman Caste that control the Executive
the Judiciary and dictate terms in the Legislature.  

It is a fact that there are four general caste streams
ordained by Manu and codified in the Manu Smriti
according to the Hindus.  

The Brahmans (Bamonns)( considering themselves as
incarnates of God on Earth ) the Kshatriyas (Chardos)
the traditional warriors many of them who fought
battles and emerged victorious, the Vaishyas ( traders
)and the Shudras (Sudirs).  The Scheduled (because a
schedule appended to the Constitution of India enlists
this group) Castes "Untouchables" or Mahatma Gandhi's
Children of God  and the Scheduled Tribes ( native
aborigines ) our own gawda kunbi dhangar etc.


Traditionally the superior caste in each region has
sidelined the other for social supremacy.  

The science involving such discreet sidelining is
termed as "Social engineering".

Therefore there are today clubs exclusively based on
caste denomination in this country, and now comes the
latest in Mumbai where the High Court has accepted
that it is not wrong for a Co-Operative Housing
Society to restrict its membership to those of a
particular caste.

Therefore when one writes Hindu Brahmans, or Bahujan
Samaj or Catholic Bamonn ( notwithstanding that the
Church ---only preaches BUT does not practice---a
casteless society remember how the priests are
transferred in various parishes -- the confrariars the
various lay groups in the Church the allotment of
feast celebration to various groups based on caste )
it should not hurt any particular section or group
that has been so branded.

Rather it is a hypocrite's  attitude to talk of one's
caste in private under covers and lavish praise on him
or her in public.

Have we not heard on Saraswat Bank, Vaishya Mandal,
Daivadnya Brahmin Saunstha then why fear the caste
overtones when such references are made.

Catholics should not fear to wear the caste traditions
up their sleeves for it will only be to their benefit
to rise up in the social ladder unitedly.

The ST in Goa ought to have been given four to five
constituencies if not seven of the forty assembly
constituencies in Goa.  But having been forced to
brand themselves as OBC's (other backward
communities)they have lost their rightful status as
"niz goencars" and today the SC's and non Goans have
risen up in the legislative, executive and political
ladder.

The Hindus admittedely are the most divided community
--- rather they fully wear their caste lables up their
sleeves and from here they have moved to gain social
positions in all the three arms of the Executive the
Legislature and the Judiciary.

It is only the Hindu Brahmins who purposely project
the Hindu community as one as it helps their miniscule
numbers 3% of the total population to grab all jobs
and positions in private and public sector.

The language issue must be viewed in the light of the
above.

It must b

[Goanet] World Goa Day origins & some brief history

[Joe Vaz]

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George:

Since we have been informed that all letters emails to various groups were 
drafted for Rene’s signature, it can be seen that the Rene’s acknowledgement 
was well scripted as well.  As the script (acknowledgement) rightly points 
out —it is “TIME” dedicated that is a valuable contribution.  My post is 
simply saying that Rene has spent relentless hours (perhaps more than most 
that now claim a stake in founding/propagating the Goa Day).  This is NOT 
meant to take any credit away from anyone, except to acknowledge the FACT 
that Rene’s effort in this endeavor has been paramount and therefore 
deserves DUE CREDIT.


In fact, credit goes to everyone in the Goan diaspora who provided support 
to Rene in his effort in forming their own groups in their respective 
countries and organizing/celebrating the Goa Day, —without which the event 
would NOT have been a success.  Therefore, in the wide world of the Goan 
diaspora there is no denying that significant credit deservedly goes to Rene 
Barreto.


Regards,
Joe Vaz

PS: You’ve taken your share of the credit through your own recurring 
publicity? So what’s the gripe?





George Pinto georgejpinto at yahoo.com  writes:

-- One uninformed Goan wrote:

My personal view on the “World Goan Day” effort and bringing it to every 
continent and country was that of Rene Barreto.  It is not so much as to 
who “conceived the idea” for the Goa Day, —but more so who nurtured, 
tendered and propagated it to the ends of the globe.


GP wrote:

It is interesting people have personal views without access
to facts first-hand.


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Re: [Goanet] Santoshbab wrt Exposure of misconceptions .. re Godfearing & evil

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In response to this from me:

[It is my belief that NO God fearing person will NEVER commit violence 
against another ... except in self-defence.]


Santosh Helekar wrote:



==

Dear Santoshbab,

Four quick points:

1. Please allow me to correct yet another typo from me. The above from me 
should actually read 'It is my belief that NO God fearing person will EVER 
commit violence against another ... except in self-defence.'

2. I believe that by your comment, you may have agreed with me in that 'NO 
God fearing (i.e. Peace Loving) person will EVER commit violence against 
another ... except in self-defence.

3. Yes, all of us can change,  or allow our fanaticism to change our 
behaviour. When we change from Peace Loving to Peace-Not Loving, we cease to 
be God Fearing. I'd go further and add that those among us who support Peace 
Not-Loving individuals, could hardly be objectively described as God Fearing 
- the pious self proclamations notwithstanding.

4. And yet, the Emperor Ashoka changed after the most horrible battle of 
Kalinga. He changed for the better.

good wishes as always

jc

http://www.indhistory.com/ashoka.html
261 BC: The Kalinga War

Ashoka succeeded in conquering Kalinga after a bloody war in which 100,000 
men were killed, 150,000 injured and thousands were captured and retained as 
slaves. The sight of the slaughter involved in his conquest deeply 
distressed Ashoka and deeply affected his mind. This was a turning point in 
his life.


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