date:20070717


On 16/07/07, rui nuvo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hei Folks,

I was uncertain from what he was saying whether one of our contributor
articles Kevin Saldanha was an Evolutionist, a believer of the Faith
and I inquired on his views of the delicate relationship between Hope
and Faith. So I asked him to clarify. To be fair to the man he came
across clearly stating where he stood on these issues.


RESPONSE: kevin, will return soon, if not later. In fact, I believe he
has already performed Catholic rites in a Church, not that long ago
:-)).

The bottom line is, Kevin proposes but Lisette Saldanha disposes..say no more!



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[Goanet] Thanks for info on acco. in delhi

2007-07-17 Thread Suhas Gaonkar


Dear FN, Richard,Dr. Anjali Rao,Alba, Jeevan,Joe,

Thanks for the info about goa sadan and other acco. facilities. Though i 
didn't stay there this time probably next time i time i'll stay there.Mr. 
Agha was vey much helpful.


Thanks and regards
suhas

Re: [Goanet] Goa to Portugal - the journey of art .............the three-day Global Goan Convention in Lisbon

2007-07-17 Thread Henrique Salles da Fonseca


From: Gabe Menezes


QUESTION: Why do people desperately seek out a Portuguese passport ?

Are there plentiful jobs available in Portugal ? Is India so bad that
people want to get out, at any cost ?

Or is a Portuguese passport an entitlement to hassle free entry into
any E.E.C. Country ?

We have been variously informed, that there are 100,000 people of Goan
origin in Portugal. I find that hard to believe, one hardly sees many
Goans in Lisbon...probably see more Goans on trains in London !
--



ANSWER to ...probably see more Goans on trains in London !:

Because Goans in Portugal are wealthy integrated persons and mainly use 
private cars.


Best regards,

Henrique Salles da Fonseca

[Goanet] Today's reflections

2007-07-17 Thread Albert Desouza

Some of the Jews came to Jesus and saidRabi  how is that your  disciples 
eat with unclean hands while John's disciples did not do such a  thing? 
Jesus answered What goes inside your system goes in and goes out  and is 
not harmful whereas what comes out within you is really harmful.If one 
reflects on this you will notice that we are so worried about w hat  goes 
in.We are worried about the water that we  drink, the plate in which we 
eat,etc etc.We use soap and water to  keep our hands free from germs etc .We 
often forget that God has give us immune system which can fight against any 
germs.If your body  is weak it is your fault.As a child your parents had 
given lots of commands to you.Don't drink  water without boiling it.Now it 
is boil  the water and filter it.If a child puts something in the mouth we 
quickly remove it.We are so particular  about all this.I was once travelling 
to Bangalore and a family got into the bus.Before sitting the man sprayed 
the s eat to get  rid of the germs.They were very particular  ab out the 
cleanileness and were grumbling that the bus was dirty, that dirty peo ple 
were  travelling in the same bus.What we actually forget is the matter that 
comes out from our body.Many times our  heart is not pure.If you hate 
someone you get t ensed up and may affect your heart.You are jealous of 
someone that creates hypertension and yo umay  get v arious diseases 
too.Today man suffers from hypertensions,paralyses, diabetes,and what not 
all because his heart has no place for love.He does not love anyone.He  does 
not  talk to strangers.He does not talk with his neigbhours.Many times 
people living in flats do not even know who lives nextdoor.We tame big dogs 
and leave them loose because we do not want anyone to visit us.Our gates 
haveBeware of dogs.I do not know whther it is two legged or four.Many of us 
tame dogs and do not bother about  them.These dogs are a nuisance to 
travellers on roads.Many of  our so called human are thrown out from their 
motor bikes and some of them have died.We are least bothered. Our cattle is 
creating nuisance on the roads and in the compounds we are not bothered.Many 
times we do not bother about our neighbour.TV and radio is on full blast 
irrespective whter it is night and someone is sleeping.Unless and untill  we 
know who lives next door and  call him brother  we cannot achieve salvation.

Albert

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[Goanet] Bhandare's musings - request for Sunith

2007-07-17 Thread Bhandare

Dear Sunith,
After you are done playing Freud would you care to
itemise which of my information was not supported by
proof?
 
Can you please indulge me this time, and please be
specific?

regards

Bhandare


  

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Re: [Goanet] why some missionaries get a raw deal

2007-07-17 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

Hi Bhandare,

Have you written to these authors / groups to enlighten them and engage them in 
a dialogue?  If they are engaged in criminal activities, there is the legal 
system to take recourse and address grievances.  There is absolutely no place 
for physical violence and a raw deal, and to take the law in one's own hands. 
 Please do not think that there are distortions only on the Hindu faith. 

There are distortions also on the Catholic faith, including on this bulletin 
board, including by yourself.   And merely providing a web link does not make 
an allegation true or a distortion a fact. The Catholics in the 21st century do 
not give a raw deal to the perpetrators of or those who spread these 
distortions.  

Today, there are more civilized and effective ways to challenge distortions 
however despicable they may be.  I hope you condemn the RSS cadres and their 
higher echelons in India, who take the law in their hands and give a raw deal 
for perceptions of or even factual existence of distortions about Hinduism.
 
Kind Regards, GL

- Bhandare 
 
The following are excerpts from a evangelical publication called Haqeeqat (The 
Reality) written by M C Mathew, and published by Dr D M Thomas and Samuel 
Thomas of Emmanuel Literature Society. 
 
On page 100 : 'Ram?s wife Sita was taken away. She was left in forest according 
to wish of Ram. Later Ram permitted Laxman to kill Sita. This Laxman was 
defeated in fight by Ram, and later Ram disgusted with his life drowned himself 
in Saryu. All this happened 
with advice, consent and religious belief of half-naked sadhus of Hindutva'. 
 
On p.269 it says: 'In modern world many Ramas of this belief are living 
carefree. They marry several times, desert their wives, and leave them. Many 
Ramas kill their Sitas. They are following their god Rama.' 
 
There are many more extremely vulgar and derogatory comments about Arya Samaj, 
hindu deities, Hindu saints like Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo, 
Swami Dayanand Saraswati, Satya Sai Baba, Ma Amritanandamayi and so on. 
While the secular press made a big deal about activities of the hindutva 
activists, why was every one silent about this hate peddling? 
The fact remains that if such texts are circulated in hindi in areas like 
rajasthan , missionaries will continue to get a raw deal

Re: [Goanet] Who is a fascist

2007-07-17 Thread Roland Francis


Cornel,
And how could you miss our very own Fascist in your list?

The 'honorable' Antonio de Oliveira Salazar was like the other three,
also profoundly Roman Catholic.

If it were not for the eminent Goan, Prof Froilano De Melo and a few
Goans of his eminence who challenged Salazar on the downgrading of
equal Portuguese nationality that the Government of the Marquis de
Pombal so magnanimously granted Goans in the 18th century, not many
Goans outside of Portugal would be Portuguese nationals today.

Those interested might find this very interesting:
http://www.geocities.com/PauloCD/PortNatLaw.htm

Roland.

On 7/15/07, CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Words like fascist are used loosely by many but also rigorously by scholars. 
For now, I would prefer to refer to just three particular fascists as firmly recognised 
in history texts. They were Hitler, Franco and Mussolini. All three were profoundly Roman 
Catholic much to the chagrin of Gilbert Lawrence of course.

Re: [Goanet] Goa now a listing on CraigsList

2007-07-17 Thread Mervyn Lobo

Pandu Lampiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Google-owned Craigs List, a mostly free and
 well-used small-ad advertising-on-the internet 
 service (Goanetters from N Am/some parts
 of Europe, Oz may be familiar) now has Goa as a
 listing: http://goa.craigslist.org/



Punda,
1) Google does not own Craigs List.
2) See my advert for a Tortilla chip that looks like
the Pope's hat.
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Re: [Goanet] Catholic Schools - Something for Nothing.

2007-07-17 Thread Roland Francis


Not to be concerned Eric. You have more than repaid your brother's
debt and then some.

I concur with what Eric and George say, having had the benefit myself
of the same education system that was operated by those priests of
Spain and Lower Germany with the occasional progeny of the Irish labor
class and the odd Armenian Catholic  supported by the solid numbers of
dedicated Goan Jesuits one of whom was George Pinto's relative, no
less.

Just the other day I was involved in a discussion with my children on
the subject of effectiveness of our respective high school teachers.
While my children too, have been fortunate to have had an unusual
number of dedicated secular teachers within a public school system
funded by the Province of Ontario, their professionalism and discharge
of duties at the peak, would fall much short of the wholehearted
sacrifice of the stalwarts (not to mention the wide discrepancy in
their remuneration) that Eric, George, I and many other Goans were
lucky to have encountered. To be fair, the teachers were of various
religious persuasions, but it was the organized Catholic framework of
educating the young that made it all possible.

On 7/15/07, eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a brother who, sadly, has never found the time to send a cheque to
charity, and is vacationing this week in Alaska, at twenty thousand dollars
: they only fly business. The trip to a NY wedding, in May, was another
fifteen thousand. The new Mercedes, 100K, will ease the  the passage from '
last agony' to heaven.

[Goanet] Will employees be punctual now?

2007-07-17 Thread domnic fernandes

I worked in the Local Self Government Department (LSGD) in Goa Secretariat 
from 1967 to 1971.  Dayanand B. Bandodkar was Goa's Chief Minister at the 
time.


Office reporting time was 10:00 am; ten minutes late sign-in or grace time 
was allowed.  Every morning a sign-in roster for every department was left 
on a large table in the main hall where employees signed-in.  The sign-in 
roster was collected at around 10:15 am.


News had reached the CM that many Secretariat staff reported to work late. 
Mr. Bandodkar did not waste time.  The next day he reported to office early. 
At exactly 10:10 he instructed Mr. Sirsat, the security officer, to collect 
sign-in rosters.  He then toured the building along with his PA (Personal 
Assistant), visited every office and questioned the staff whenever he came 
across an empty chair.  A list of late comers was compiled and sent to heads 
of departments with a request to summon the concerned employees, counsel 
them and issue them a warning notice.  Anyone with a genuine justification 
was excused; others were punished.  Boy, were we scared?  From the next day 
forward, everyone was punctual!


To his credit (in my opinion), overall, D.B. Bandodkar remains one of the 
best Chief Minister's Goa ever had.  If we will have to act, let's at least 
follow the Wild West motto of yore:  If you want to shoot, shoot; don't 
talk (I think it was Clint Eastwood's line from the 1966 movie 'The Good, 
The Bad, and The Ugly').  Whether it's the Chief Secretary or Chief 
Minister, if you want to take action, go ahead and do it; don't keep 
talking.  We hope JP Singh's initiative and Digambar Kamat's concern brings 
about improvement in attendance punctuality.  We also hope the officials are 
more courteous towards general public.


I often tell government employees in Goa, that if they were required to work 
hard like us in the Gulf countries, India would not be considered a third 
world country - we would have prospered by leaps and bounds.


Moi-mogan,

Domnic Fernandes, author of Domnic's Goa - A nostalgic romp through a 
bygone era

Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA
Tel: (966 3) 877-2744; Home: (966 3) 876-2676; Mobile: (966 5) 0281-9101


Will employees be punctual now?

PANJIM: Chief Secretary JP Singh has sent a circular to all government 
departments on July 11, 2007, asking them to strictly observe punctuality, 
besides effective presence in the office and maintain absolute devotion to 
duty. Singh wrote that in spite of repeated instructions, it has been 
observed that punctuality in attendance is not adhered to besides officials 
at the cutting edge level are not courteous to the public visiting the 
offices, which results in inconvenience and harassment to general public. 
The circular further states 'Chief Minister Digambar Kamat has expressed his 
concern over the non-observance of punctuality of staff and discourteous 
attitude towards the public.' [GT]

[Goanet] more masjid trouble at Chinchinim

2007-07-17 Thread Bhandare

It is very interesting that on 2 days we have two
different reports which are very instructive 

http://oheraldo.in/node/26523

local ZP member, Joe Dias strongly opposed any place
of worship at the site.
He said Chinchinim village was the home for just two
Muslim families over half a decade ago, but said the
village has recorded a sharp rise in the population of
the minority community hailing from Belgaum, Hubli and
other areas.
Dias contended that granting permission for the Masjid
or prayer house would invite horders of outsiders in
the village and will alter the demographic character
of Chinchinim village.


Seems like more and more Christinas in salcette are
joining RSS, what say Fred?

Regards

Bhandare



   

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Re: [Goanet] Evolutionist Kevin?


--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Selma's characterization below of my assertions in
 this thread is totally wrong.

Response:
There you go again Santosh with those words totally
wrong. Of late, you've even begun calling for the
pastoral exile of people who you find totally wrong.
Very disappointing that was coming from you. I had
truly held you in much higher esteem.

Now, let me at the onset point out that I don't have a
bone in my body that understands anything in the realm
of science, so I am by no means attempting to
discredit your knowledge in these subjects but let me
respond nonetheless to some of your points from a
layman's point of view.

Santosh wrote:
multiple
 ghostly apparitions, religious experiences, merging
 with universal consciousness, etc have all been
 shown
 to result from certain patterns of electrical
 activation in specific parts on the brain. 

Response:
Now, this statement alone is fudging the truth a bit
isn't it? What you mean to say is that certain
patterns of electrical activation have been known to
reproduce apparitions, religious experiences etc. In
order for the converse to be true, you would have to
round up centuries of fools who have had
apparitions, religious experiences, near death
experiences, heightened sense of awareness, etc and
conclusively prove that at that precise moment, their
brains were undergoing certain patterns of electrical
activation in specific parts of the brain.

Now, Eric Von Daniken also has conclusive evidence,
that religious apparitions are holograms beamed to us
from aliens in outer space. What if in 50 years from
now, we find out that Eric Von Daniken was right. It
would certainly disapprove that apparitions were
divinely motivated but it would also disprove your
theory.

My point is simply this, by all means let science move
ahead, dispelling truths and half-truths that have
crowded our lives. Humanity doesn't owe anyone a dime
except the Deity of Truth but just as I'm wary of
religious zealots who insist they have uncovered the
whole truth, I'm becoming anxious about scientific
inquiry which seeks to prematurely euthanise the
indomitable fakir that resides in all of us.

selma
PS: Re Dualism and Monism, I shall certainly add the
recommended reading to my list. Sincere thanks.


   

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[Goanet] First Konkani Karaoke song

2007-07-17 Thread Edward Verdes

My friend John Barreto from Bahrain has been working on Konkani Karaoke 
music for some time now.


We tried our best to remove the voice from the Konkani songs with help of 
softwares available on net.. but could not succeed.


However John has not given up and is now singing konkani songs with the help 
of English Midi's. John has shared with me some of the songs he recorded on 
his pc.


Now you too can sing konkani songs...here is how to go about it...


Below are the lyrics of the famous Alfred Rose Song Dukham Sanvronam and 
here is the link to the midi file.


http://www.goanet.org/images/topics/Konkani/Music/Karaoke/DukhamSanvronam.mid

This is how the karaoke singing works outopen up the midi and sing 
along.


I hope one day someone will come out with good Konkani Karaoke music.


Enjoy!

Dev Borem Korum

Edward Verdes/KSA



===



Dukham sanvronam,
Nirmoll kallzak ghavo zala to pekonam,
Tuje osoli devi dusri mevchinam,
Rochnnaran kazar kiteak favo kelenam, vhoi kelemnam


Anstem rup tujem,
Nialltoch kallzak pet'ta akttem ujeachem,
Tunch mozo fuddar dissoi neketr Sorginchem,
Sozmotalom tunch mhunn amrut jivitachem,


Khoimsor geleim, khoimsor geleim
Kazarachea dissa, aksident zaun, choddfoddeanim meleim
Kallzak balo topun geleim, kalliz toddun veleim
Zogllaunnem koxem jivitan aileim
Ekach minutan, tum nattak zalem, fottoun geleim


Pisso zalam anv, chintunk naslelea mornan giraslem tuka
Kazarachea dissa, tunvem fottoilo maka
Makai vor, sonvsaran anink dovrinaka, tunch vor maka.



Lyrics compiled by Eddie Verdes

[Goanet] Pai Panandiker on Goa

Politically, Goa has been far more stable than most parts of thecountry. No
great ideological rifts create social cleavages in Goa.Goa maintains a
social and political equilibrium, which has grown outof a sense of
realization that ultimately the future lies in workingtogether regardless of
religion, caste or creed.[Pai Panandikar in 1995]

Unfortunately, this rose tinted view does not seem to correspond to 21st
century Goa. Either we should get Pai Pandikar's current views or circulate
the in-depth views of some current national authority on the subject.

Re: [Goanet] Bhandare's Musings - response for Bosco

2007-07-17 Thread Bosco D'Mello


On Mon Jul 16 14:00:38 PDT 2007, Bhandare wrote:


I believe that if someone contributes money to an
organization which then uses that money to protect
pedophiles then that is equivalent to condoning
pedophilia.


RESPONSE: Good for you! As per your wisdom, Texans who pay their state taxes 
are murderers since their tax-dollars are used to send people to the 
nether-world on a one-way ticket.



In particular i was refering to the post by dr. jose colaco


RESPONSE: You're point of reference and unconventional wisdom above are not 
in synch.



ex. if I am a member of an organization that promotes
casteism, uses my donation of money to protect
criminals or uses that money to deny victims of caste
abuse due justice than I am guilty of condoning casteism


RESPONSE: This is not about YOU. But about the strange commentary coming 
from you.



I believe that in India many groups get a raw deal In
Gujarat it is the muslims,in kashmir it is the
Pandits, in other parts it is the missionaries, in
parts of Kerala it is the RSS activists who are
victimised, in the North east its is hindus buddhists
and animists.


RESPONSE: OKso you cannot answer a direct question and want to play it 
safe by naming everybody and everything



My question to u is: Why does Harsh Mander write a lengthy
article about persecution of catholics rather than write
one which considers *ALL* persecution?


RESPONSE: I guess you haven't read enough of Harsh Mander. He appears to be 
altruistic in his actions..



WHy does Vidydhar Gadgil only forward articles about
the alleged anti social activities of RSS while being
silent about the activities of other antisocials who
are not affiliated with RSS? i mean does that mean
that vidhydhar is biased against only RSS? if he is
why is he pretending to be secular?


RESPONSE: Gadgil will address your query appropriately. However, as I've 
been reading Gadgil for several years now, I believe the scope of his 
writings have been GOA, since he lives there. You, are all over the map.



Why does Selma gloss over the dark deeds of the
Catholic church by trumpeting its record of social
service ( which i agree is extensive) but doesnt apply
the yard stick to RSS which has itself been at the
forefront of social service including relief efforts
at the times of natural calamities?


RESPONSE: Selma? And gloss over? I suggest you read her again without 
tainted glasses. But tell me do you trumpet your own 'dark deeds'?



In essence Bosco, you George Fred etc have chosen for
reasons best know to each of you to focus only on one
side of the story.


RESPONSE: I'll tell you what intrigued me to respond to you. Your 
inconsistencies. They are all too obvious and are all over the place.



The world is not black and white or secular and
communal as you guys make it out to be


RESPONSE: How should I know? I was born last week, eh? I was told it was 
Republican or Democrat.



Once again I invite comments from everybody I only
expect that the name calling and verbal abuse be kept
at a minimum.


RESPONSE: I'm characterising your opening sentence in this post as verbal 
abuse. Please read it again and ponder if you hurt the sensibilities of some 
people.


In closing a couple of notes:

#1 - you sent out a note about hate-speech from Haqeeqat. I don't know why 
you went looking for that text, as it is not related to our discussion about 
religion/hate in Goa. Are you aware that that there are several Hindu 
websites propogating hate against Christians, Muslims, etc. The question is 
: Are you part of the never-ending cycle of hate-speech or would you like to 
work towards a solution?


#2 - over the years we have had several self-righteous people come and go 
here on Goanet. Some have not gone; they are still lurking around and 
sometimes send hate-mail via private lists. You will find people treat the 
self-righteous with disdain and pour scorn on them.


This is my second post on this thread - Hasta-la-vista!!

- Bosco

[Goanet] The original Goan boat cruise (2)

2007-07-17 Thread Mario Goveia

The Original Goan Boat Cruise...though Loveboat it
definitely wasn't!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kzH-BUVRzig

Re: [Goanet] Reminiscences of my Goan Youth: The First Mass

2007-07-17 Thread Aureo Mendes Da Piedade


Señor Marcos Catao;

I quite enjoyed to read your  First Mass.It came to me old memorys .I was 
in Rachol Seminary for 2-3 years.My perfeito was father Antonio Souza and 
our dean at that time was Monsenhor Agapito Lourenço.I don´t remember

the year .I´m leaving in Spain more than 40 years .
Thank you to share the memoryes.

All the best,mucha salud,
Áureo Mendes
 - Mensaje original - 
 De: Jean  Marcos Catao

 Para: Goanet
 Enviado: lunes, 09 de julio de 2007 7:34
 Asunto: [Goanet] Reminiscences of my Goan Youth: The First Mass


 REMINISCENCES OF MY GOAN YOUTH
 (circa 1940)

 THE FIRST MASS

 MARCOS GOMES-CATAO


 In the social life of the Catholic community in GOA of pre-Conciliar days,
 the village son's FIRST MASS at the Parish church, after ordination 
occupied

 a place of unique relevance, an occasion of unalloyed joy, celebrated with
 an eclat rivalling that of household son or daughter's wedding.

[Goanet] Time to get real about Goa's urbanisation rate?

'Our urban future stands revised'  The implications of an India [Goa!?]
urbanising faster than earlier thought
YOGINDER K ALAGH
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=170206
According to the Census of 2001, some Census towns are non-statutory towns
and are actually rural areas, but have a minimum population of 5,000, a
density of population of at least 400 persons per sq km, and at least
three-quarters of the male workers are working outside agriculture...
Applying the three criteria, the question arises that if big villages,
prima facie having the defined characteristics of urban or semi-urban areas,
are in reality urban, the whole story changes. If this population is
substantial, then our understanding of urban is incorrect, and we will end
up making bad policies because the rate of urbanisation makes a big
difference to the future...All in all, it is time to get real. If these
estimates are anywhere near reality, the need for public-private
partnerships for infrastructure is much greater, our water and energy
forecasts are hopelessly low, the BOD disposal task is stiffer and the
threat of slums much higher. On the other hand, faster urbanisation will
trigger faster and more widespread economic growth.

Re: [Goanet] Catholic Schools - Something for Nothing.


--- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I know it
 is fashionable in some quarters in Indian
 politics to bash missionaries and Christian
 institutions after those same politicians studied
 there or have they children enrolled. Of course,
 hypocrisy is not the exclusive preserve of Indian
 politicians.
 
 Regards,
 George 
 
-

Well said George!!

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Re: [Goanet] Translation of lyrics

2007-07-17 Thread borg costa

Hi Domnic,

Dev Borem Korum tuvem 'Scientist' hea kantarcheo
lyrics goa-net'ar gatleo mhun. Maka-i hea
cassette'tlim soglim kantaram borim lagleat.

Hanvem hi cassette don pautti ghetle ek pautt Goeant
ani dusre pautt hanv Dubai ailo tedna. Punn donui
pautt mojea ixttanim aikonk mhunnon magon veli anik
porot divunkuch na. Atam hi cassette Dubai vikrek
mevona.

Makai dista zoxi Jancit Vaz-ache poili Kantarachi
cassette, siddi rupan toiear korun Manfa Muzik'an bair
ghatlea ,teach porim 'WILMIX Konkani-Originals' Album
No.1. kantarachi siddi kelear zata. Punn Domnic bab
atam tujea lagim computer aslear cassette'lim kantaram
kudd tujean vo mojean siddi-cher ghalunk zatat. Hanvem
maka avoddtat ti kantaram cassette'cher san transfer
korun tim siddi-cher ghatleat. Kantaram transfer
korunk softwara'chi ghoroz ani borea audio system-achi
goroz.

Domnic bab tum kitem goa-net'ar boroun ghalta tem
mhaka borpur avoddta. Tujem pustok Domnic's Goa - A
nostalgic romp through a bygone era hanvem azun
vachunk na. Punn goeant tan hem pustok hanvem konn
volkicho Dubai eta zalear mojea ghorcheank dadunk
lailam. Vatt polloun ravta, kednam mojea hatant hem
pustok poddtelem tem?

Dev Borem Korum!! Devan tuka bori bolaik dium!!

Borgee.



--- domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Sharon,
 
 Many thanks for promptly clarifying that the song
 'Scientist' is composed by 
 Wilson but sung on the audio cassette by Michael.  I
 like all songs on 
 'WILMIX Konkani-Originals' Album No.1.  It would be
 a great idea if you 
 could come up with a CD of this album so it remains
 for posterity, as audio 
 cassettes tend to get spoiled over a period of time.
  Please ensure that you 
 mention on CD cover that lyrics of all songs are
 composed by Wilmix Wilson 
 Mazarello.
 
 Whenever I find time, I write down lyrics of Konkani
 songs and post them on 
 Goan websites.  I do this to promote Romi Konkani
 which is so dear to all of 
 us.  One of these days I will be posting lyrics of
 one more song from the 
 album.
 
 I thank you once again for your prompt reply.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Domnic Fernandes
 
 Shamaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hello Domnic,
 
 'KOnkani Originals' Album NO. 1 - ALL THE SONGS
 lyrics IN THIS ALBUM ARE
 COMPOSED BY MY HUSBAND WILMIX WILSON MAZARELLO.
 
 On this album, the singing of the songs is done by
 four people i.e. Wilmix
 Trio (Wilson, Michael, Xavier) and Sharon. I have
 sung the solo song 'Dovo
 Parvo'. That does not mean I have composed the song.
 I have lent my voice to
 the song. Likewise, the song 'Scientist' is composed
 by Wilson but it is
 sung on the audio cassette by Michael (his Trio
 partner then). Michael has
 lent his voice to the song.
 
 Hope this clarifies yr point.
 
 Regards - Sharon Mazarello.
 
 On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote :
 
 I have the original audio cassette with me. The
 inner as well as outer
 cover (back side) clearly mentions Michael's name
 as singer of the song -
 Scientist (Michael). Would Wilson/Sharon kindly
 confirm if this is a
 mistake? Thanks in advance.
 
 Moi-mogan,
 
 Domnic Fernandes, author of Domnic's Goa - A
 nostalgic romp through a
 bygone era
 Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA
 Tel: (966 3) 877-2744; Home: (966 3) 876-2676;
 Mobile: (966 5) 0281-9101
 
  SCIENTIST by Michael of WILMIX
 
 RESPONSE: On another site was the following
 
 I am taking the liberty of replying to you since
 the lyrics you are
 asking for are composed by my husband Wilmix Wilson
 Mazarello and
 not Alfred Rose. This song is recorded on our Album
 No. 1 Konkani
 Originals Regards - Sharon Mazarello.
 
 So, it is not by Michael of WILMIX ?
 
 DEV BOREM KORUM.
 
 Gabe Menezes.
 London, England
 
 



   

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Re: [Goanet] Evolutionist Kevin?

2007-07-17 Thread Santosh Helekar

--- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Response:
 There you go again Santosh with those words totally
 wrong. Of late, you've even begun calling for the
 pastoral exile of people who you find totally
 wrong.
 Very disappointing that was coming from you. I had
 truly held you in much higher esteem.
 

The above statements of Selma do not add anything
worthwhile to this discussion. She is simply engaging
in innuendo and further mischaracterization of my
statements. I have already explained why her
characterization of my earlier assertions were totally
wrong. In the academic field, one does have to point
out when a student or colleague is totally wrong about
some thing. More importantly, one has to tell them why
they are wrong. 

Selma's statement above that I have begun calling for
the pastoral exile of people who I find totally wrong
is false. I had merely made a light-hearted comment in
response to a derogatory remark made by another
Goanetter, in the form of question to Bosco about his
rules for pastoral action. My comment had nothing to
do with whether I thought the person was right or
wrong. 


 Response:
 Now, this statement alone is fudging the truth a bit
 isn't it? 


No, it isn't. Please see below.


What you mean to say is that certain patterns of
electrical activation have been known to reproduce
apparitions, religious experiences etc. In order for
the converse to be true, you would have to round up
centuries of fools who have had apparitions,
religious experiences, near death experiences,
heightened sense of awareness, etc and conclusively
prove that at that precise moment, their brains were
undergoing certain patterns of electrical
 activation in specific parts of the brain.
 

First of all, I do not think these people are fools.
Science does not claim that these people are fools.
Science is a dispassionate enterprise. It contends
that these people are displaying well-recognized
natural phenomena, which have now been reproduced in
the laboratory. Second, it is unreasonable for anybody
to expect scientists to go back in time and prove that
any natural phenomenon (in this case a given conscious
experience) that has occurred in the past is due to a
natural cause (in this case brain electrical patterns)
because this type of time travel is not yet possible.
If people demanded this type of proof, several
well-established scientific theories describing our
past would also have been regarded as mere
philosophical opinions. Examples of such theories
include the theory of evolution by natural selection,
the Big Bang theory, the theory of stellar evolution,
and the geological formation and age of the earth.
Indeed, the case for these theories would have been
weaker than the case for the brain basis of mental
phenomena.

What modern scientists have done instead to confirm
the dependence of mental phenomena on brain activity
is the following:

1. They have recorded brain activation patterns while
present day folks are having these experiences in the
clinic or the laboratory.

2. They have reproducibly induced these experiences by
direct electrical stimulation of specific parts of the
brain.

 
Now, Eric Von Daniken also has conclusive evidence,
that religious apparitions are holograms beamed to
us from aliens in outer space. What if in 50 years
from now, we find out that Eric Von Daniken was
right. It would certainly disapprove that apparitions
were
divinely motivated but it would also disprove your
theory.
 

To find out if this is an appropriate analogy or not
please provide me with the conclusive evidence that
Eric Von Daniken has for his extraordinary theory. 

I have already implied what would disprove the current
scientific explanation for mental phenomena. To state
it explicitly, any experiment that shows a person has
no specific electrical activation of the brain while
he/she is having a religious or any other conscious
experience would conclusively disprove the current
explanation.


Humanity doesn't owe anyone a dime except the Deity
of Truth but just as I'm wary of religious zealots
who insist they have uncovered the whole truth, I'm
becoming anxious about scientific inquiry which seeks
to prematurely euthanise the indomitable fakir that
resides in all of us.
 

This anxiety is unfounded. As I have said earlier,
science is simply a humble method to find internally
consistent natural explanations for observed natural
phenomena based on objective evidence. 

The scientific method has not yet yielded a detailed
complete natural explanation for the conscious mind.
However, we know that the idea that it exists
independently of the brain is inconsistent with an
overwhelming body of objective evidence.  Moreover,
there is absolutely no positive evidence in support of
this idea.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet] Mapuca A Gutter Re: Vol 2, Issue 585


Hei Albert,

My earlier posting on the subject did not get much response from
readers either. Presumably, many of our readers have never been to
Mapuca to see what a wreck it has been reduced to or people no longer
go to towns because successive Goa Administrations succeeded in
bringing the Central Business District Services right up to their door
step. But that should be no excuse for making Mapuca and our other
towns into virtual cesspits.

I would hold successive Goa Administrations responsible for turning
our model towns into slums. Town generally are the pulse and a visible
manifestation of the state of health of the country.

If successive Administrations have shown themselves incapable of
looking after out towns then they cannot be much good at anything else
less visible either.

We want our towns to be brought up to standard now or at least to the
standard they once were.

It is no good holding only the Administration responsible. People of
Goa are responsible too. It is people who elect the Administration in.
We need to be more conscious of who we vote into office. People need
to be conscious also of how they want Goa to be and how they can help
get it there. We have a pollution problem, a litter problem, a time
keeping problem, a standards problem, a organisation problem, a
planning problem but to name a few. People of Goa should mobilise and
encourage able dynamic youngsters showing promise to take up positions
of responsibility and challenge.

We need people who care about Goa from our grass root villages, from
our towns, from our counties from the state of Goa. Who we elect into
office is our responsibility and we should not let non home grown
party politics high jack the people to voting for them.

There is no reason why Goa cannot emulate Singapore. They have done
it. And their population consists of no other then hardworking Chinese
and Indians.  A fiercely independent Goa with a responsible population
could be a model for the rest of India to follow. India is a growing
world economic power. Goa can be at the leading edge of that
development. We have to keep our sectarian differences out of
politics.

We do not necessarily require people with previous experience of
government. They can be trained. If chimps can be trained why not our
own people. We just need responsible and competent people for the job.
What we must guard against is outside self interest groups propping up
cardboard goan cut outs to serve their own interests in Goa.

Seems very little point in kicking a dead donkey. This is my second
say on the state of Mapuca and other towns of Goa.  While we cannot
organise, cooperate and mobilise, I fear in Mapuca you are more likely
to be doing the light fantastic getting round cow patches or paving
the roads with dung while looking for a parking space  even if you are
wearing your face mask, Albert.

Cheers.

Re: [Goanet] The multiple personalities of posters

2007-07-17 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोंया


--- KAMALAKSH CHARI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 and he dint touched even a single
 cross, or ghumti, or 
 chappel or any mosques which created nuisance to
 free flow of traffic. 
--

It is quite a curious fact that atleast two or maybe
even three posters on this forum spell the contraction
didn't as dint. 

Perhaps it is not so curious when one considers the
possibility that cyber avatars can be easily created
to produce the effect of multitude and hence lend
reinforcement to a certain ideology.

selma


   

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Re: [Goanet] Pai Panandiker on Goa


Well, I thought about this while circulating the quote, which
incidentally met my goal of spurring on (some) discussion.

Goa, stable?

Isn't NDTV and all the rest reminding us at every possible opportunity
about this 15-governments-in-14-years or whatever it is thingy (I've
lost count and don't bother to care anymore)?

But the point is that despite the many government political topplings
our politicians are pretty much the same. As bad or as good. Despite
the hype and rhetoric of some. As far as  'ideological rifts' are
concerned, they all share their same pro-business, pro-'development'
approach (which basically means laying down infrastructure for
industry, building roads even where not needed, tarring them
repeatedly, placing power infrastructure, and caring little about
building pro-people human resources and skills, or people's needs).

The Sanvordem-Curchorem riots, a major conflaguration, were
engineered, as is fairly clearly evident by now. But then, there are
also enough suspicions about The Other being consistently stoked, as
we keep seeing on Goanet, first from the intolerant mindset that wants
to take Goa back to its pre-1961 days, and more recently from those
who believe that the engineering of religious strife is the best way
to ascend to power, and stay there.

But there are also signs of hope in the response and challenge to such
thinking. That similar attempts at Margao were unsucessful are also a
positive pointer.

Phillip, looking forward to comments from you or others who could
create a not-so-negative understanding of contemporary Goa. --FN

On 17/07/07, Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Politically, Goa has been far more stable than most parts of thecountry. No
great ideological rifts create social cleavages in Goa.Goa maintains a
social and political equilibrium, which has grown outof a sense of
realization that ultimately the future lies in workingtogether regardless of
religion, caste or creed.[Pai Panandikar in 1995]

Unfortunately, this rose tinted view does not seem to correspond to 21st
century Goa. Either we should get Pai Pandikar's current views or circulate
the in-depth views of some current national authority on the subject.


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Re: [Goanet] Who is a fascist

2007-07-17 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोंया


Was Salazar a fascist in the strict definition of the word?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_de_Oliveira_Salazar

Salazar's regime was dictatorial. His political philosophy
was based around Catholic social doctrine, much like the
contemporary regime of Engelbert Dollfuss in Austria. The
economic system, known as corporatism, was based on the papal
encyclicals Rerum Novarum and Quadragesimo Anno, which was
supposed to prevent class struggle and supremacy of
economism. Salazar himself banned Portugal's National
Syndicalists, a much more unambiguously Fascist party, for
being, in his words, a Pagan and Totalitarian party.
Salazar's own party, The National Union, was formed as a
subservient umbrella organisation to support the regime
itself, and was therefore lacking in any ideology independent
of the regime. It could be argued whether Salazar's
government can truly be considered 'Fascist', given the
strong Roman Catholic, monarchist, regionalist, agrarian and
restorational tendency of his rule, which is in sharp
contrast to the innovative and revolutionary re-structuring
of society so prevalent in Fascist countries. There is no
doubt, however, that he admired (or at least respected)
especially Fascist leader Benito Mussolini at some point in
time. He said once I'm with Mussolini in Italy, but I can't
be in Portugal.[citation needed]. Of course at the time many
European countries feared communism as a destructive force.
Many neutral states in WWII, from the Baltic to the Atlantic,
would at least in principle sympathize with any state that
would wage war on the USSR, the communist state in the east.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_de_Oliveira_Salazar

On 17/07/07, Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cornel,
And how could you miss our very own Fascist in your list?

The 'honorable' Antonio de Oliveira Salazar was like the other three,
also profoundly Roman Catholic.

If it were not for the eminent Goan, Prof Froilano De Melo and a few
Goans of his eminence who challenged Salazar on the downgrading of
equal Portuguese nationality that the Government of the Marquis de
Pombal so magnanimously granted Goans in the 18th century, not many
Goans outside of Portugal would be Portuguese nationals today.

Those interested might find this very interesting:
http://www.geocities.com/PauloCD/PortNatLaw.htm

Roland.

On 7/15/07, CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Words like fascist are used loosely by many but also rigorously by 
scholars. For now, I would prefer to refer to just three particular fascists as firmly 
recognised in history texts. They were Hitler, Franco and Mussolini. All three were 
profoundly Roman Catholic much to the chagrin of Gilbert Lawrence of course.




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Re: [Goanet] Thanks for info on acco. in delhi

2007-07-17 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोंया


Thank you Suhas. You are reminding us what Goanet once was -- a
helpful place, where people helped each other. Not scored cheap
debating points (like I too sometimes do) over each other, and take up
my-bigots-are-better-than-your-bigot positions. --FN

On 17/07/07, Suhas Gaonkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear FN, Richard,Dr. Anjali Rao,Alba, Jeevan,Joe,

Thanks for the info about goa sadan and other acco. facilities. Though i
didn't stay there this time probably next time i time i'll stay there.Mr.
Agha was vey much helpful.

Thanks and regards
suhas

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Re: [Goanet] Goa to Portugal - the journey of art .............the three-day Global Goan Convention in Lisbon


On 16/07/07, Henrique Salles da Fonseca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



ANSWER to ...probably see more Goans on trains in London !:

Because Goans in Portugal are wealthy integrated persons and mainly use
private cars.

Best regards,

Henrique Salles da Fonseca


RESPONSE: Wow! If owning a car or using private cars is regarded as
being wealthy in Portugal, good for the Goans in Portugal.

We have almost all Goans, owning cars, here in the U.K. Some families
have three or four cars...still we do not consider ourselves rich.

Thanks for the enlightenment.


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London, England

Re: [Goanet] Goa to Portugal - the journey of art .......thethree-day Global Goan Convention in Lisbon (Gabe Menezes /Jose Colaco)

2007-07-17 Thread Paulo Colaco Dias

Dear Shashikant, 

With respect I have to tell you that what you write is complete nonsense.
You cannot ignore the history of bad relations between Portugal and India.

1. In 1961, Estado da India Portuguesa (including Goa) was an almost
autonomous province with local government and local registrar offices. There
was no need in the 1950s and 1960s to take all birth certificates to
Portugal. In fact, in 1961, the population of all provinces together (5
provinces in Africa alone) was much higher than the entire population of
continental Portugal. So you can imagine that at that time, to have central
registrar offices in Portugal would make no sense and would be an enormous
overhead besides being a complete duplication. There were no computers at
that time as you must know...

2. You make the comparison with the British. Another nonsense. Whilst the
British gave independence to British India and remained in good diplomatic
relations, the Portuguese were kicked out of India, ie, India invaded and
conquered Portuguese India. It was an act of aggression. An act of war and
illegal under United Nations resolutions. Both countries India and Portugal
did not have diplomatic relations for many years (much before 1961 and until
1975).

3. How would it be possible for the Portuguese government to take their
records with them after 1961 or after 1975?
Does this make any sense at all? Are you really suggesting that all original
birth records prior to 1961 should have been taken to Portugal? Would that
be acceptable to India and to the freedom fighters? Think about it please.
Think about the implications. The Portuguese prisoners of war were returned
to Portugal only after 6 months after Dec 1961. Maybe you are suggesting
that they should have taken all original birth certificates issued prior
1961 with them... LOL!
Even today freedom fighters strongly oppose the idea of any relation to
Portugal. Do you think they would approve the actions you suggested after
1961 or after 1975? You are dreaming my friend. 

4. What British nationality are you talking about? How many Indians born in
India and who never left India were successful in obtaining British
nationality? Another nonsense.

5. You make it look like the Portuguese government is benefiting from all
this new Portuguese citizenship applicants, ie, according to you, it appears
that you think that the applicants are doing Portugal a favour by becoming
citizens of Portugal. Quite the opposite my friend!!! It is time for you to
do a reality check! You are living in a dream.

6. Of course there is a complaints procedure in place in Portugal and of
course it works. You just need to write and complain to the right entity.
And you need to write it in the official language of Portugal. Having gone
through this process myself I can guarantee that the complain procedure
works. However, it appears that there is a language barrier and most
complaints are unsuccessful because of that. Also, many times what the
applicants ask makes no sense. Judging from what you wrote, I can imagine
that a complaint from you would be totally ignored.

Between the 1960s to the 1980s you would be able to recoup your Portuguese
citizenship within weeks and the requirements were minimal. The cost was
minimal too.
In  1990s you would be able to recoup your Portuguese citizenship within
months and the requirements were still minimal.
Suddenly there was a huge amount of false applications detected. Hence it
was require to make the process stricter and that is the reason why it takes
so long now and there are much more requirements (original document pre-1961
is now required).

Regarding your other post, of course we live in a democracy and you are free
to wait and decide your future even after 40 years, however, the Portuguese
authorities are also free to change the rules at any point in time. You are
not benefiting Portugal by becoming a Portuguese citizen. Quite the
opposite. It is important that you finally realise that because it is clear
that you do not understand!

Best of luck
Paulo.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zodiacs
Sent: 16 July 2007 23:36
To: Goanet
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to Portugal - the journey of art
..thethree-day Global Goan Convention in Lisbon (Gabe Menezes /Jose
Colaco)

I agree with jose response to my message especially the portuguese 
government not trusting indian documents. However i would further add to my 
reply that;

1)Why has the portuguese government not obtain the records of 
Birth,marriage, death from the respective registrars of Goa, daman  diu and

all these years ridiculously wasted in allegations.

Like the british government who left their colonies, they took all the 
records with them due to which there has been no fraud in getting british 
nationality.The portuguese governement has not taken any initiative to 
co-ordiante with the indian government in obtaining records before 1961 as 
applicable.

[Goanet] That special tribe of NRIs from East Africa

I saw this on Goan Voice UK (http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/) and thought
I'd share it here. Would the Goans brought up in East Africa also fit
the bill ? Are Goans, originally from East Africa, a lot different
from Goans elsewhere ?

That special tribe of NRIs from East Africa
16 Jul, 2007, 1045 hrs IST, IANS
East African NRIs are a special tribe. After settling in the three
countries of Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania in the 1890s, they have moved
to Britain, Canada and the US in large numbers and even to Australia
and New Zealand from the late 1960s onwards. But very few moved back
to India.
Before they go to any of these countries, they identify some of their
own tribe and make instant connections on arrival. Even meeting by
chance, they greet each other in Swahili with 'Jambo' and 'Habari' and
are on the same wavelength as they are all 'Muhindis' - Swahili for
Indians.

In the West, the East African NRIs are different from other NRIs. The
Asian Exodus in 1968 was the first wave of Kenyan Indians to arrive in
large numbers in Britain. The Uganda Indians arrived in 1972 after
being expelled by the dictator Idi Amin, and this was followed by a
steady trickle to the West. They were accused of making their fortunes
in East Africa, stashing their savings in Britain but having their
hearts in India. By cashing their fixed deposits and their exposure to
the British way of life, they established themselves in the West in no
time to the amazement of 'Indian' NRIs who arrived many years earlier.

More than other NRIs, their identity problem is magnified. When an
East African NRI travels to another country, say in Europe or the Far
East, he is thought to come from India but he explains at length that
he is an Indian from Africa. Now this is confusing until he explains
that his forefathers went to East Africa and he lives there. Muhindis
are confused in reconciling three powerful influences - their African
background, English education and the Indian way of life. They love
Africa, its vast landscape, its wildlife, its peoples and the
wonderful time they have enjoyed there. They appreciate the advantage
of good schooling in the English language and they also treasure the
Indian heritage they are proud of. So where are they rooted in Africa,
the West or India? .

For a full read please click on to :-

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/That_special_tribe_of_NRIs_from_East_Africa/articleshow/2206341.cms

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London, England

Re: [Goanet] Bhandare's Musings - response for Bosco

2007-07-17 Thread Vidyadhar Gadgil

On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 21:15 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
 WHy does Vidydhar Gadgil only forward articles about
 the alleged anti social activities of RSS while being
 silent about the activities of other antisocials who
 are not affiliated with RSS? i mean does that mean
 that vidhydhar is biased against only RSS? if he is
 why is he pretending to be secular? 

This is becoming repetitive and hence rather tedious, so I will have my
say on the matter one last time and then drop the matter.

I am against all types of communalism and fundamentalism (as various
posts of mine on this forum in the past will show, your protestations
notwithstanding). But given the situation as it stands in India today,
fundamentalist Hindutva as preached by the RSS and its front
organisations is the biggest threat to secular democracy in India today.
The harm that communal Muslim or Christian organisations can do is
limited in that sense, because they lack the numbers (this is not to
condone the harm they do). But with the overwhelmingly majority of the
Indian people being Hindu, if they fall prey to the RSS' fundamentalist
Brahminical ideology, there is a very real threat to the country as a
whole.

So given a group of organisations which preach communalism, the focus
tends to be the one that is the biggest danger -- which is why I often
focus on the RSS and the Sangh Parivar.


-- 
Question everything -- Karl Marx

Re: [Goanet] The original Goan boat cruise (2)


On 17/07/07, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The Original Goan Boat Cruise...though Loveboat it
definitely wasn't!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kzH-BUVRzig



RESPONSE: Thanks for illuminating us ! This was shown here, on this
forum before and posted on Youtube by Joe U.K.

Just when we thought, out to pasture ? Thinking of coming back to
Goanet ? Running out of people to spam everyday, 20 something emails
!!


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Gabe Menezes.
London, England

[Goanet] Ben Antao's new novel: The Tailor's Daughter

2007-07-17 Thread Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com

The Tailor's Daughter--captivating, a gigantic treat
 
A review by Bill MacDonald
 
I finished reading The Tailors Daughter and found it
thoroughly captivating. What captivating characters
and exotic, authentic setting! Makes me long for palm
trees and ocean beaches. It intrigues me how three of
the charactersJorge, conniving predator, Eliza, naïve
and willing (thank God for girls like her, at least in
our younger day) and Silvia, full of sage
adviceseldom say what they mean or mean what they say
(except when thinking to themselves): its like
getting multi-layered narratives for the price of one.
Subterfuge and hidden meaning, but we know (or
suspect) the truth. Requires subtle dialogue, which
the author Ben Antao handles beautifully. And
underlying the story are the fascinating elements of
caste, church and upbringing. Makes for absorbing
reading and brightens dark winter days. 
 Captivating, not just because of the exotic Goa and
Nairobi settings and historical insights, or the
psychological drama of scheming, deluded Eliza pitted
against the macho bluster of devilish Jorge (though
all that is effective and extremely satisfying), but
also because of the energy and conflict in the actual
narrative. The food and customs and landscape
descriptions alone would make the book a great read,
but with all those other elements added, set  against
the monsoon and caste system, its a gigantic treat.
All in all, a treasure of a novel whose images will
stay in my mind for a long time. I really mean it. I
heard the characters talking and felt the atmosphere.
For several days, I was there.
 
(Bill MacDonald, 74, is a prolific Canadian author of
fiction and non-fiction, who lives in Thunder Bay ,
Ontario.)
 
The Tailor's Daughter, published by the Goan Observer,
is available from the author ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) at
$25 a copy.   
 
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Before and after elections
They came a begging, and then became kings
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[Goanet] Disconnect between the haves and have-nots?

Measuring satisfaction Business Standard / New Delhi July 17, 2007
 Does India have an unusually large chasm between its leaders and followers?
So it would seem, judging by some recent multi-country surveys. For
instance, Ipsos sought out elite opinion (mostly politicians and
businessmen) on how they thought things were going in their country. Those
satisfied with the way things are going in India were 46 per cent of those
polled among the elite, while a similar sounding of the general population
by Pew Research turned up an embarrassing figure as low as 9 per cent. The
gap between the opinions of the two groups was much smaller in other
countries-the figures being 75 per cent and 48 per cent in China, and 43 per
cent and 20 per cent in Russia. In Brazil, the numbers were 15 per cent and
11 per cent. Note that satisfaction levels among the general population are
lower in India than in the other countries, whereas the leaders in India are
happier than those in Brazil and Russia.

There could be several explanations. One is that the rich are happier-which
is a key finding of another recent multi-country poll done by Gallup. It has
also been argued that what makes for happiness is not the absolute level of
wealth (Americans are much richer today than in the past, but there has been
no improvement in their happiness levels) but whether you are doing better
than your neighbour-i.e. relative wealth. And since the poor outnumber the
rich, greater inequality should increase levels of dissatisfaction. But
whereas both China and Brazil are more unequal than India, both have more
satisfied populations. Perhaps the explanation for that lies in rapid GDP
growth-rising income, no matter at how low a level, is usually a source of
satisfaction and the income of the average Chinese is growing faster than
for the people of any other nationality. Indeed, a 75 per cent satisfaction
level among the Chinese elite must reflect national pride in the country's
enormous achievements and rising international status.

India's elite, in comparison, comes in with a 46 per cent satisfaction
level-and **the fact that this is not a better score must reflect the
widespread frustration with everything from the physical infrastructure
problems and the shortage of electricity to the poor standards of sanitation
facilities and the general urban chaos.** The greater source of worry,
though, would be the 9 per cent satisfaction level among the general
population. Is this a reflection of the poverty all around, of the lack of
health care facilities (an important consideration for happiness), and of
the lack of inclusive growth (only a small minority of families has the
luxury of at least a two-room home)? Does it explain, then, the routine
manner in which electors throw out those in power and try a new bunch-a
manifestation of what someone has termed **the revolution of rising
frustrations? **

The problem of course is that the sword can be used to cut both ways. It can
be argued that the low satisfaction levels are proof of the failure of
Manmohanomics; equally, it can be argued that the plethora of government
programmes designed to deliver inclusiveness have not worked-like the public
distribution system and BPL cards for the poor. Whatever is the better
reflection of reality, it is hard to get away from the fact that the rulers
in India seem to have an infinitely better time today than the aam aadmi
of electoral rhetoric.
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[Goanet] Hea Gharachim Dharam Bondh....! - Lara Production Entertainment all set to captivate Goans!

2007-07-17 Thread Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com

LARA Production Entertainment presents Hea Gharachim
Dharam Bondh...! in Goa
 
Releasing this August!  
 
Laurente Pereira - Outstanding No. 1 Director of No. 1
shows in Kuwait Tujea Upkar, Lokanchim Tonddam
Bondh, now presents Kuwait's superhit No. 1 Tiatr
Hea Gharachim Dharam Bondh...!.
 
Music by Anthony de Velim.
 
Stage setting: Saldanha - Raia
 
Galaxy cast from Kuwait  Goa:
Marcus Vaz, Cajetan de Sanvordem, Comedy Queen
Querobina, Olga Vaz, Meena Leitao, Flecy Cabral, Lawry
Travasso, Osvi Viegas, Peter-Roshan, Ulhas Tari,
Mathew Araujo, Anil Pednekar, Comedian Augostino
Temudo, Comedian Selvy, Roseferns, Pascoal Rodrigues
and Laurente Pereira.
 
The shows are scheduled as follows:
 
Morjim - 3rd August at 7:30 p.m. - Milagres Hall.
Margao - 4th August at 7:30 p.m. - Gomant Vidya
Niketan (GVN)
Panaji - 9th August at 7:30 p.m. - Kala Academy
Mapusa - 12th August at 10:30 a.m.  -  Hanuman
Theatre.
 
Wishing you the best, Laurente Pereira
 
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[Goanet] Pai Panandicara on Goa

2007-07-17 Thread Bernado Colaco

Sorry we were peaceful before 61. This RSS thingy and
the rest is a post invasion situation.

Here is a list of Hindu business people in Pangim:
Angley, , Caculo, Hede, Bhorno, Hegde, Heble, Keni,
Vernekar, Kantak, Pai, Vaidya, Naik, Gaunekar,
Ghanekar, Tarcar. Compare this to one miserly Velho e
Filhos all pre invasion.




Behind the social peace lies the social and political
integration of
the people of the State. Since the liberation of Goa
in 1961, there
has been a marked integration within the majority
Hindu community as
well as the large minority of the Christians and a
small minority of
Muslims and other groups.



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[Goanet] Pai Panandiker on Goa

2007-07-17 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोंया

the point is that despite the many government political topplingsour
politicians are pretty much the same. As bad or as good. Despitethe hype and
rhetoric of some. As far as 'ideological rifts' areconcerned, they all share
their same pro-business, pro-'development'approach (which basically means
laying down infrastructure forindustry, building roads even where not
needed, tarring themrepeatedly, placing power infrastructure, and caring
little aboutbuilding pro-people human resources and skills, or people's
needs).[FN]

The trouble I am having is the very glaring disconnect between your
cherished illusion of political/social stability and the patent lack of
statesmanship and societal dynamism. You may have touched on this in thinly
suppressed bitterness with your reference to a lack of a human touch. Think
about this a little more some time.

Besides, all the things you have listed about the so-called
pro-development approach which you say all subscribe to are not really
business or development oriented. The power situation in Goa is a joke.
Transport, water supply, sewerage, garbage etc etc are almost all out of
control! Are you sure the development is not in the personal, selfish
line-your-pocket category (of the pols and babus -- maybe even us
voters!--  that is)?

[Goanet] WildGoa Event: Croc Release into the Rier Zuari at 5pm Tuesday, 17th


WildGoa Event: Croc Release into the Rier Zuari at 5pm Tuesday, 17th
  Posted by: Clinton Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] klintvaz
  Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi WildGoa,

Sometimes things come up last minute, and this is once such incident.

Hansel, my brother and fellow WildGoan came across a  juvenile mugger
crocodile tht was acedentaly caught by a fisheman along the ziver
zuari.

Join us this evening long the banks of the Zuari where we will release
the muger back into the wild. Please confirm your participation so
that we won't leave without you.

Meeting Point : Old Toll Booth at Zuari Bridge, Aggacaim.
Meetup Time   : 4.30
Participation Fee : Free to all WildGoans
Contact Person: Clinton: 9890936828 or Hansel: 9860601828


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Re: [Goanet] Who is a fascist

2007-07-17 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

I am ONLY commenting on this post because I have been mentioned by name.   I 
would like to make four short points.
 
1. This gratuitous post says much about the 'deep concern' that Cornel feels 
for the Dalits and a lack of dialogue between these two guys on the brutality 
that Dalits suffer in India. 
 
2. It is a pity that in about 5000 years of world history, Cornel knows only 
the names of three fascists, who happened to be Catholic. Very coincidental, 
for a guy who claims to have an interest in history.
 
3. Cornel telling Bhandare about fascism is like Taking coal to Newcastle.  
Perhaps Cornel's knowledge of the RSS is equally stunted as his knowledge of 
the world's fascists dictators.
 
4. Bhandare with his RSS affiliation can teach Cornel much about fascism. But 
then, teaching Cornel does not take much smarts.:=))  It takes much time and 
patience ... with a lot of 'Saiba kakut kor'. :=)) 
 
Regards, 
GL 

- CORNEL DACOSTA  

Hi Bhandare:Words like fascist are used loosely by many but also 
rigorously by scholars. For now, I would prefer to refer to just three 
particular fascists as firmly recognised in history texts. They were Hitler, 
Franco and Mussolini. All three were profoundly Roman Catholic much to the 
chagrin of Gilbert Lawrence of course.

[Goanet] song on the goanet

2007-07-17 Thread Albert Desouza


Dear friends
How do you post a tune of the song on the goanet or on internet? Like I  
have a song and I want to sing it and post  it on the net how do you do the 
same?  I have heard lots of konkani songs sent by joeuk but I often wonder 
how it is done

albert de souza

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Re: [Goanet] Bhandares Musings

2007-07-17 Thread Sunith Velho


Bosco,

How could you accuse Bhandare of being anti-Catholic.

He is by his own logic a supporter of the United Methodist Church. After all 
he contributes a large portion of his earnings to the US government, an 
organisation headed by  a Methodist.


Whats worse is that he also provides financial support to the Episcopalians, 
since one of them is the governor of his state.


Guruji must be turning in his grave!

Sunith Velho


RESPONSE: Good for you! As per your wisdom, Texans who pay their state 
taxes are murderers since their tax-dollars are used to send people to the
nether-world on a one-way ticket

Re: [Goanet] Bhandare's Musings - response for Bosco


On 17/07/07, Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This is becoming repetitive and hence rather tedious, so I will have my
say on the matter one last time and then drop the matter.

I am against all types of communalism and fundamentalism (as various
posts of mine on this forum in the past will show, your protestations
notwithstanding). But given the situation as it stands in India today,
fundamentalist Hindutva as preached by the RSS and its front
organisations is the biggest threat to secular democracy in India today.
The harm that communal Muslim or Christian organisations can do is
limited in that sense, because they lack the numbers (this is not to
condone the harm they do). But with the overwhelmingly majority of the
Indian people being Hindu, if they fall prey to the RSS' fundamentalist
Brahminical ideology, there is a very real threat to the country as a
whole.

So given a group of organisations which preach communalism, the focus
tends to be the one that is the biggest danger -- which is why I often
focus on the RSS and the Sangh Parivar.


--
Question everything -- Karl Marx


RESPONSE: That indeed, was to the point and precise. I am not sure,
though, that people inclined towards the RSS, would be able to make
sense of your post. They just see it as they want to.

Increasingly we have too much of fundamentalists or all hues and all
religions. USA, in which, our RSS man lives in, has become an
intolerable Christian fundamentalist country. The RSS should take
care, that they are living in a society where a knock on the door
could mean a one way ticket to Guantamano!

The USA could have easily given Modi a visa then locked him up. India
would have protested to no avail!


--
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Gabe Menezes.
London, England

[Goanet] Masjid for Every Village Re: Vol 2, Issue 590


Hei Folks,

Every village in Goa has a church or chapel, a  temple or shrine so
why not a masjid for every village.

I have no idea from what village Bhandare comes from or whether he is
a Goan or not. If Bhandare would welcome a masjid into his village
that would ease the pressure on Chinchinim village, provide an
opportunity to bolster the RSS votebank ( I have a nasty feeling
that Bhandare may be party card holder folks ) with potential hordes
of new members and resolve the labour shortage problem in Goa. The
writer to Bhandare and Bhandare should be positive and think of the
benefits to their cause. Hahaha.

Cheers.



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  2. Re: Believer does not really Belive ref Vol 2, Issue 587
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  3. Today's reflections (Albert Desouza)
  4. Thanks for info on acco. in delhi (Suhas Gaonkar)
  5. Re: Goa to Portugal - the journey of art .the
 three-day Global Goan Convention in Lisbon
 (Henrique Salles da Fonseca)
  6. Bhandare's musings - request for  Sunith (Bhandare)
  7. Re: Goa now a listing on CraigsList (Mervyn Lobo)
  8. Re: why *some* missionaries get a raw deal (Gilbert Lawrence)
  9. Will employees be punctual now? (domnic fernandes)
 10. Re: Who is a fascist (Roland Francis)
 11. Person of Goan origin elected Maior of Lisbon (Bernado Colaco)
 12. First Konkani Karaoke song (Edward Verdes)
 13. Re: Catholic Schools - Something for Nothing. (Roland Francis)
 14. more masjid trouble at Chinchinim (Bhandare)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:48:26 -0400
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Subject: [Goanet] Translation of lyrics
To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Sharon,

Many thanks for promptly clarifying that the song 'Scientist' is composed by
Wilson but sung on the audio cassette by Michael.  I like all songs on
'WILMIX Konkani-Originals' Album No.1.  It would be a great idea if you
could come up with a CD of this album so it remains for posterity, as audio
cassettes tend to get spoiled over a period of time.  Please ensure that you
mention on CD cover that lyrics of all songs are composed by Wilmix Wilson
Mazarello.

Whenever I find time, I write down lyrics of Konkani songs and post them on
Goan websites.  I do this to promote Romi Konkani which is so dear to all of
us.  One of these days I will be posting lyrics of one more song from the
album.

I thank you once again for your prompt reply.

Best regards,

Domnic Fernandes

Shamaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Domnic,

'KOnkani Originals' Album NO. 1 - ALL THE SONGS lyrics IN THIS ALBUM ARE
COMPOSED BY MY HUSBAND WILMIX WILSON MAZARELLO.

On this album, the singing of the songs is done by four people i.e. Wilmix
Trio (Wilson, Michael, Xavier) and Sharon. I have sung the solo song 'Dovo
Parvo'. That does not mean I have composed the song. I have lent my voice to
the song. Likewise, the song 'Scientist' is composed by Wilson but it is
sung on the audio cassette by Michael (his Trio partner then). Michael has
lent his voice to the song.

Hope this clarifies yr point.

Regards - Sharon Mazarello.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :

I have the original audio cassette with me. The inner as well as outer
cover (back side) clearly mentions Michael's name as singer of the song -
Scientist (Michael). Would Wilson/Sharon kindly confirm if this is a
mistake? Thanks in advance.

Moi-mogan,

Domnic Fernandes, author of Domnic's Goa - A nostalgic romp through a
bygone era
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA
Tel: (966 3) 877-2744; Home: (966 3) 876-2676; Mobile: (966 5) 0281-9101

 SCIENTIST by Michael of WILMIX

RESPONSE: On another site was the following

I am taking the liberty of replying to you since the lyrics you are
asking for are composed by my husband Wilmix Wilson Mazarello and
not Alfred Rose. This song is recorded on our Album No. 1 Konkani
Originals Regards - Sharon Mazarello.

So, it is not by Michael of WILMIX ?

DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England



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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:20:47 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] Believer does not really Belive ref Vol 2, Issue
   587
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!

[Goanet] Reply to Fredrick

2007-07-17 Thread Albert Desouza


Dear Fredrico
The idea  of writing about sun god is to  give information to people.There 
are lots of things that we follow  today in Roman Catholicism  that has come 
from the  egyptians.There are many churches  still have the embelm of the 
sun on the main altar.Reverened Fr.that we use to address our priest is 
directly come from the egyptians.The red cap of the bishop,the staff that he 
used to use in early times etc etc.I  just wrote to  remind the people  that 
there are lots of paganism that have been infused in our  religion.Jesus 
condems the use of Father to human beings.In Luke he says that the \word 
Father should be used only when addressing God the Father.Now a  days people 
just flare up and speak without thinking.Iwas once visiting a family and 
while we were busy chatting and gossiping  two elderly ladies walked in.They 
were completely strangers to the place. They began by sayingWe have come to 
give you the good news of Jesus. The landlady got so angry with those two 
ladies that she  literally pushed them out without even listening to them.I 
asked them as why they were so angry with Jesus they bluntly told me  'they 
are false prophets.Our vicar told us to drive them out.I said you have 
driven jesus out from your home.They have come to give spread the gospel,the 
same gospel which you and I follow,they have come to tell you about 
Jesus,the same Jesus who died on the cross,their jesus and your jesus is 
same isn't it? I would keep quiet if you were a hindu or a muslim and they 
had come to tell you about Jesus.You are a christian and they are christian 
what is this? We Roman Catholics do nothing to spread the gospel.  We do not 
know the gospel ourselves,Every time we go for mass something is read as 
first reading second reading and the gospel. Only the gospel is clear 
because  the  priest has the ability to read slowly and clearly where as the 
others read arabian history.Nobody seems to be interested in spreading the 
gospel.I am not telling you to spread the gospel to the hindus or muslims 
etc but I am telling you to spread the gospel to the Christians itself.Even 
Mahatma Gandhi read Bible.But the christians are yet to read.I once gave a 
lift to one Mandrekar.As soon as he sat on my bike he started to preach the 
word of God.I was shocked that a hindu could tell me about Jesus and quote 
bible chapter wise and I was not.I asked him whether he  was a convert and 
he said no. I believe in Jesus, I believe in Lord Ganesh too.What is there 
to read the bible any harm? opsWhen I began the daily reflections there were 
many christians who wrote nasty emails to me because i according to them had 
lost my nerves and  told me to stop writing.I was surprised to get one email 
from a non christian friend who told meto continue writing for he felt nice 
on reading and even told me that if I am stopped from writing on the goanet 
that I should write to him directly on his email.He has achieved happiness 
by reading the reflections.

albert
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Re: [Goanet] Evolutionist Kevin?


--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The scientific method has not yet yielded a detailed
 complete natural explanation for the conscious mind.
 However, we know that the idea that it exists
 independently of the brain is inconsistent with an
 overwhelming body of objective evidence.  Moreover,
 there is absolutely no positive evidence in support
 of
 this idea.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Santosh
-

We are going through the same argument over and over
again. Just because something is unproveable at the
present time, does not mean it will be unproveable
sometime in the future. It surprises me that a
scientiest should extrapolate into the future with a
limited number of current variables. I would have
thought science itself worked the other way round, or
is it just the other way round when it works in one's
favour?

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 592

2007-07-17 Thread KAMALAKSH CHARI




--- KAMALAKSH CHARI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

and he dint touched even a single

cross, or ghumti, or
chappel or any mosques which created nuisance to
free flow of traffic.

--

It is quite a curious fact that atleast two or maybe
even three posters on this forum spell the contraction
didn't as dint.

Perhaps it is not so curious when one considers the
possibility that cyber avatars can be easily created
to produce the effect of multitude and hence lend
reinforcement to a certain ideology.

selma




RESPONSE:



Hi selma,



Thanks for letting me know dint has got some other meaning. It was didn't 
that i wanted to use. Its the consequence of internet which gave birth to 
many short words. But there are other posts too which got plenty of such 
errors, but you seem to be more interested in pointing out errs in my post 
which shows you are biased.


Perhaps i would have been more happy if you had also commented on my post 
matter rather than focusing on just grammatical mistakes.


I learnt that you always try to dug out issues by means of response to post 
which has got nothing to do with the posted matter at all. oops sorry except 
grammatic mistake.

[Goanet] Goa news for July 18, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Goanet News Service


Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org

Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.


*** House congratulates Joaquim on becoming GFA President
(Deepika)

Panaji, July 17 (UNI) Cutting across party lines, the Goa
Legislative Assembly today unanimously adopted a motion
congratulating urban development minister Joaquim Alemao on his
becoming president of the Goa Football Association besides
pleading for assistance to encourage the sport in a big way.

http://www.deepikaglobal.com/ENG3_sub.asp?ccode=ENG3newscode=4173


*** Governor to address the 5th Goa Assembly session tomorrow
(New Kerala)

Panaji, July 15: Governor S C Jamir will address the
newly-constituted fifth Goa Legislative Assembly session
beginning here tomorrow for two weeks to pass the full budget.

http://www.newkerala.com/july.php?action=fullnewsid=46839


*** Asian Poker Classic to return in 2008 (Online Casino
Reports)

With spectacular results at this year's Asian Poker Classic in
Goa, India, organizers have announced the tournament's return in
March 2008, in the hope of drawing more money, and many more
pros to the table.

http://www.onlinecasinoreports.com/news_show.asp?id=1883


*** Goan coast not vulnerable to terror attacks, says DIG
(Navhind Times)

Panaji, July 17 The deputy inspector-general of police, Mr
Ujjwal Mishra today stated that Goan coast is not vulnerable to
arms smuggling and terror attacks and disclosed that the Goa
police have not received any intelligence on this.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=071823


*** Mauvin is new Deputy Speaker (Navhind Times)

Panaji, July 17 Mr Mauvin Godinho, the four-time Congress MLA
from Cortalim, was today elected as new Deputy Speaker of the
Goa legislative assembly. He edged out two of his rivals from
the opposition camp in the election process.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=071824


*** HC asks pollution board to come up with scheme on recycling
of waste (Navhind Times)

Panaji, July 17 Hearing petition filed by Mr Floriano Lobo on
garbage disposal and landfill sites, the division bench of the
Bombay High Court consisting Mr Justice R S Mohite and Mr.
Justice N A Britto has directed the Goa State Pollution Control
Board to prepare a scheme on recycling of waste.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=071822


*** In-principle decision on expansion of Goa stretch of NH-17
(Navhind Times)

Panaji, July 15 The government after receiving cold response
from private companies for investment in its six-lane highway
project extending from Patradevi to Polem, has decided
in-principle to undertake expansion of the existing national
highway-17 passing through Goa without adding any extra lanes.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=071616


*** Movie Preview : Mr. Black Mr. White (Indiafm via Yahoo!
India News)

Gopi (Sunil Shetty) a simpleton, arrives in Goa from
Hoshiyarpur. His mission- to hand over an incredibly tiny piece
of land to his childhood friend Kishen, which was his father's
last wish.

http://in.movies.yahoo.com/070717/24/6i4v3.html


*** Goa Dy Speaker's post goes to Cong (Indian Express via
Yahoo! India News)

Goa Chief Minister Digambar Kamat scored an important victory
today after the ruling Congress party's candidate Mauvin Godinho
won the Deputy Speaker's election despite attempts made by
Churchill Alemao's Save Goa Front (SGF) to split the votes. The
triangular fight began when Alex Reginaldo Laurence contested
for SGF and the BJP had its MLA Ramesh Savardekar in the fray.
In the first round ...

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[Goanet] The Deity of Truth ref Vol 2, Issue 591


Hei Folks,

Humanity Does not owe anyone a dime, except the Deity of Truth ? The
argument about Truth is very much like that of getting a room in the
Infinite Hotel Hilbert's paradox.

We seek the truth and that is all we can say. We owe to ourselves for
goodness sake and not to a Deity. We have half truths, economic with
the truth, acceptable truths, unacceptable truths, true until proven
untrue and the list goes on.

It is said that we have just the necessary amount of brains necessary
for our survival in a given environment. The sightless worm sees the
world differently to a bird and a bird sees the world differently to a
human. They all have brains. They see the world in the way their
brains are wired up. Just that humans have consciousness. The bat sees
colour with its ears from the signature emitted by the colour.
Different species share characteristics to a lesser or greater extent.
So a sightless worm will never experience the world as a human anymore
then a human can experience the world as a worm. We have just what we
need to survive.

But there can be no doubt that all brains are bio electrical machines.
They can be simple to very complex as in humans and higher order
mammals. Brains are said to replenish themselves so the brain you had
when you were a child is no longer the same brain you have now. Almost
all of it has been replenished. So how  do we remember things from the
past when the original cells have long since died and vanished.

Attributes of the brain like consciousness, memory are areas of
serious research and study. Given that the possible electrical
connections and synapses in the brain can be so large, that each
persons experience is different about the normal.  Resurrecting and
reincarnating fools long dead or getting bodies out of the deep freeze
box will only show how that particular bio electrical box is wired up.
Einstein's brain sits in a jam jar and is a subject of intense
investigation and study. Golly he was no fool.

I agree with Santosh that if you disagree with someone you should tell
them why you disagree. I saw none of that in Selma's response to
Santosh. All I recall is that the poor chap has fallen in her esteem.
WOW. lol

Cheers

[Goanet] Bhnadares Musings- reply to Bosco

2007-07-17 Thread Bhandare

BOSCO: Good for you! As per your wisdom, Texans who
pay their state taxes are murderers since their
tax-dollars are used to send people to the
nether-world on a one-way ticket. 

BHANDARE: The last time I checked Texans dont pay
state tax, and even if they did, in case you dont
know, taxes are compulsory, voluntary donations are
not. Furthermore your illogical response comparing
taxes 
and due judicial process (albeit flawed at times) with
the behaviour of the
church officials regarding pedophilia is exactly what
I meant by condoning it.

Bosco: You're point of reference and unconventional
wisdom above are not in synch. 

Bhandare: Well Dr Colaco wrote a lengthy post about
who is a christian and who is not I merely provided
him with a current situation and the required proof
and asked him a legitimate question. In response the
good doctor said nothing, kaainch naa, kuch
nahin,nada...That is ducking.

Bosco:This is not about YOU. But about the strange
commentary coming from you. 

Bhandare: Well this IS about ME...I gave u an example
but you didnt understand, more likely you didnt want
to understand.
I will give you another one: if I contribute money to
bajrang dal than i am responsible as well as condoning
the hate that some of them peddle
In the US as well as canada i would guess,companies
are held accountable if they provide advertising
support to people and programs that are deemed
offensive ( refer to the Don Imus fiasco)

Bosco: OKso you cannot answer a direct question
and want to play it safe by naming everybody and
everything 

Bhandare: I gave you a reply that is true in India
rather than focus on just one set of opressor/victim
something that you do all the time I have no qulams in
accepting that Bal thackeray is a crook who ordered
the murder 
of innocents in 1993,and I make no disticntion between
victims of violence based on their caste or religion
Obviously you find it very 
difficult to comprehend. why is that?

Bosco: I guess you haven't read enough of Harsh
Mander. He appears to be altruistic in his actions.. 

Bhandare: His altrusim or lack of it is not the issue.
His objectivity is, so dont make an attempt to deflect
the issue.

Bosco:Gadgil will address your query appropriately.
However, as I've been reading Gadgil for several years
now, I believe the scope of his writings have been
GOA, since he lives there. You, are all over the map. 

Bhandare: Well one can split hairs and argue that
since gadgil doesnt live in Sanvordem why is he all
over the map? Get my point? BTW i live in North
america like you do in toronto. It means nothing to
the debate we are having

Bosco: Selma? And gloss over? I suggest you read her
again without tainted glasses. But tell me do you
trumpet your own 'dark deeds'? 

Bhandare: All our posts are archived I think her weak
argument was that more abuse goes on in the public
school system or something to that effect I wont go
into more details. Also she considered Francis Xavier
a product of his times and considers the Inquisition
era atrocities on Hindus as so called Do you
subscribe to these views too?

Bosco: I'll tell you what intrigued me to respond to
you. Your inconsistencies. They are all too obvious
and are all over the place. 

Bhandare: I gave you my reasons for the conclusions I
came up with. What are the inconsistencies therein? It
is not my fault if you dont understand or dont wish to
understand or maybe I am wrong in your opinion. But
that doesnt make me inconsistent. Defending the church
one day and calling them mafia style the other day and
Jesus a rabble rouser, now that is inconsistency.

Bosco: I'm characterising your opening sentence in
this post as verbal abuse. Please read it again and
ponder if you hurt the sensibilities of some people. 

Bhandare: If I hurt your sensibilities i am sorry.But
honestly if I were you i would try to cultivate a
thicker skin.


Comment # 1:

I didnt go out looking for anything. I made a
statement that there is a good reason why missionaries
get a raw deal ( i agree, i should have added some to
that) and then selma didnt accept it So i gave an
example of the kind of hate text that is circulated in
rural india and the content of which is deeply
offensive. It was very relevant to the discussion we
had which was about the activities of some
missionaries. I dont think we were discussing Goa at
any time.
Whya re you afraid of the truth? I did notice that you
ddint accuse me of fabricating the text itself

Comment # 2:

Well i would guess they were all RSS ,correct? I have
been told about it by some silent post If you have
noticed, with the exception of Santosh and Gadgil, all
of us (me, jeevan,dr barad, kamlaksh , khoro goinkar )
have been called pimps wolves trouble makers
RSS paid members BJP apologists etc at different
times One time those outbursts have been followed by a
haaven sorry mhutlem nhui  too. I am not surprised
that tired with this kind of constant verbal abuse
some people might indeed have left.

I

[Goanet] While we fight on history...Goa is being looted...

2007-07-17 Thread cedrico dacosta

While we fight on histroy...Goa is being looted...

Dear Goanetterswhile we fight if Bhandare's Krishna was a womaniser or our 
St Francis was a mass murderer...

While we argue if late Alfred Rose wrote the lyrics or Wilmix, 

Who actually blew and distributed the first condom in Goa...

If the Congress is more corrupt and the BJP most communialist?

If Goans in Lisbon are richer than the ones in London (who always complain of 
taxes, as if the Queen invited them to be her guests), 

As to whose cheek is more pinky! 

As we argue over trivial matters and go about life, on the other side of the 
world ...

Silently but surely a storm is brewing in Goa...we have madrasas and mosques 
being built under cover, we have the once-thick green belt slowly being sold to 
non-goans...

We have tall promises and media headlines regarding the improvement of the 
status of the 'aam aadmi', of removing the stench of the garbage at 
sonsoddo...but the reality is...please open your eyes Goans, specially 
Goanetters, lets forget our petty differences and arguments and be a 
constructive 'third eye' to the loot and plunder of the 40 Alibabas, lets be 
vigiliant as the keys to the Goan exchaquer is in the hands of a 
duplicate-ticket scandaliser Narvenkar...

I hope all your lovely Goenkars out there, spread across the world, as our 
politicians couldn't provide us with a basic job will agree and come together 
to create a constructive Goanet that will try and achieve laurels like the GBA 
recently did...

Its time we Goans got united and woke up...it may look late, but it is never 
too late...

Of Goa -- the virgin land...is being raped! and the ones who reap the harvest 
are the montris!

Goa Meu Amor!

Cedric da Costa
Dubai-UAE


   

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Re: [Goanet] Goa now a listing on CraigsList

2007-07-17 Thread Mervyn Lobo

 Pandu Lampiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Google-owned Craigs List, a mostly free and
  well-used small-ad advertising-on-the internet 
  service (Goanetters from N Am/some parts
  of Europe, Oz may be familiar) now has Goa as a
  listing: http://goa.craigslist.org/


Folks,
I replied to the above person with the following:

 Punda,
 1) Google does not own Craigs List.
 2) See my advert for a Tortilla chip that looks like
 the Pope's hat.


My intention was to address Pandu Lampiao.
I inadvertently got his name mixed up. The Swahili
speaking people here may cringe at the mix up. 

My apologies to everyone. It was not intentional.
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[Goanet] MAUVIN ELECTED DEPUTY SPEAKER

2007-07-17 Thread godfrey gonsalves

Cortalim  MLA Mr Mauvin Godinho of the INC  finally
made it to the Deputy Speaker's Chair this afternoon
after MLA Curtorim Mr Aleixo Lourenco of the SGF
failed to do so.  The Poinguinim MLA Mr Ramesh
Tawadkar of the BJP was also in the fray.

With this CM Mr Digamber Kamat has his slate cleared
of Government formation.  

The next immediate task this session is to ensure the
passage of the budget by the month end. Allotment of
additional portfolios to the Ministers and
Chairmanship of Corporations may follow as a onus
after the session.

But what is of interest is the Private member's Bill
amending the Official Language Act 1987 for inclusion
of the words /Roman.

For the Navelim MLA of the Save Goa Front Mr Churchill
Alemao this private Bill if taken up this session and
passed would make him a martyr for a gross injustice
inflicted on the Catholic community since 1987.

Should the Bill not come up for consideration -- he
would have fulfilled one of his seven main issues in
the Save Goa Front manifesto -- to atleast take up the
issue of amendment to the OLA 1987 to obtain official
status to Konkani in Roman script in the first session
himself therby proving his sincerity on the issue. 

However if  the private Bill is defeated it would
again make Mr Alemao a martyr of sorts  and he could
use this as an emotive issue for the forthcoming
Mormugao Parliamentary bye election where his SG Front
leader and Navelim Assembly Constituency intends to
put up his daughter Ms Alemao as the prospective
candidate for this seat. He could take the Cristao
MLA's to task for their failure to support his Bill
and thus get votes on an emotive issue to romp his
daughter to victory.

Many therefore tend to suspect Mr Alemao's intention
on the Bill.  The reason for this are many.  Mr Alemao
knows too well that the issue for recognition to
Konkani in the Roman script should NOT be confused
with grant of Official status to Marathi.  As a matter
of fact --- it is now evident that Marathi does enjoy
all that one gets after grant of official status.  

Mr Alemao is also aware that -- what Konkani in Roman
script gets is nothing but assistance --- a sort of
appeasement -- to a section which ought to have it as
a legitimate right.  It is therefore the view of many
that Mr Alemao should not fritter his energies in   
obstructing  those who intend to bring Marathi as the
official language --- for it is they who would
eventually suffer on their own for doing so as it
would  open the flood gates for Maharastrians and thus
deprive their own  Hindu Bahujan Samaj of their
employment prospects. This is clear from the fact that
only when the issue of official recognition to Konkani
in Roman script is taken up the Marathi protoganists
put up their threat.  Remember in seventeen years of
MGP rule except for making noises they never dared to
give official status to Marathi but eventually got
something short of that status and even to this day
they would be happy with such a position in reality. 

Thus it is Konkani in Roman script that has suffered
without any status.  If Konkani in Roman script gets
official status the benefits are many

a) the language of correspondence with the Government
would be Konkani both in Devanagari and Roman;
b) the  budgetary allotment to Konkani --- in
Devanagari script would also be alloted to Roman
script
c) with (b) above literary works, poetry short stories
etc would get government assistance
d) mandos dulpods playwrights  etc would get 
allotment of funds
e) cultural programmes which are written and performed
in Konkani Roman script would get assistance under the
Directorate of Art and culture --- (suprisingly
Bollywood songs and dances are being promoted as Goan
culture as of now )
f) Schools at primary middle secondary higher
secondary and College vocational etc could impart
education in Konkani in Roman script thus reducing the
number of drop outs amongst the masses who can ill
afford education in English medium schools.
g) and so on.

Therefore it is time that our Cristao MLA's are
pressurised to assure passage of the Bill even though
it is a private members Bill.  

The Chinchinim Panchayat is on record for passing a
resolution demanding recognition to Konkani in Roman
script at the last years gram sabha.  Other Panchayats
could take a cue from this Panchayat and follow suit.

Meanwhile it is learnt from reliable sources that the
Archdiocese has finally decided niether to partake in
the move to grant official status to Konkani in Roman
script.  Many of the priests who were instigated by
the ex Independent MLA of Margao Mr Uday Laximikant
Bhembre to oppose the move for official recognition to
Konkani in Roman script have been asked to stay away
from the issue, this is a blessing in disguise to
protoganists of Konkani in Roman script.





 


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Re: [Goanet] Evolutionist Kevin?

2007-07-17 Thread Santosh Helekar

--- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 We are going through the same argument over and over
 again. 


Which argument? Please state it clearly. 


Just because something is unproveable at the present
time, does not mean it will be unproveable sometime
in the future. 


What will be provable in the future? If you are
talking about substance dualism, I have presented most
of the already available objective evidence that
completely disproves this ancient philosophy as it
applies to mental phenomena. If you need more details,
I can provide them to you. For example, I can explain
to you why it violates one of the most fundamental
laws of Physics, the second law of thermodynamics. If
you still believe that it is unprovable at the present
time, please state your reasons. 


It surprises me that a scientiest should extrapolate
into the future with a limited number of current
variables. 


Perhaps, the surprise is because of a
misunderstanding. Please explain clearly as to what
you are trying to say? What variables? What have I
extrapolated into the future? 


I would have thought science itself worked the other
way round, or is it just the other way round when it
works in one's favour?
 

Again, please explain. I am sorry I do not understand
your point at all.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet] Dev Borem Korum Re: Vol 2, Issue 591


Hei Gebe Menezes and Borg Costa,

Just for my benefit can you confirm whether it is
'Dev Borem Korum' or 'Deo Borem Korum'.

Every time I see Dev ., it sort of jars my mind perhaps because I
have always heard it as Deo ..

I understand Deo = God but has Dev a different meaning? I have heard
Deva again same as God but in an another syntax.

Just curious.

regards

[Goanet] Thus Spake The Hindu