[Goanet] COMMENT: Intriguing flip-flops on SEZs: On paper, they are scrapped... (Mario Cabral e Sa/Gomantak Times)
Intriguing flip-flops on SEZs: On paper, they are scrapped.
But final outcome is mired in manoeuvres
By Mario Cabral e Sa
NEW DELHI, January 2: Gopal Pillai, Secretary, Union Commerce
Ministry and ex-officio chairman, Board of Approval of SEZs:
"There is no provision under law to recommend
de-notification. They (state governments) have no locus
standi to withdraw the notification. The Centre is not
concerned with compensation to the developers either. It is
an issue between the state government and the parties We
are not concerned Notified SEZs have become legal
entities Investment exceeding Rs 500 crore has already
been made by Meditab How will the state government
compensate the developers? Developers may even approach
the court."
Same day, almost on cue: Cipla executive (Meditab is a Cipla
subsidiary) to TV channels, "We have already spent 500
crores."
New Delhi, Jan 3: "Union commerce minister Kamal Nath today
assured Goa CM Digambar Kamat that the Centre will not impose
any SEZ on the state and is ready even to review those that
have been notified."
Same dateline: "Goa CM Digambar Kamat brushed aside the issue
of compensation to companies, whose proposals were
approved Why are you asking for compensation? ... They
are too big companies... What work have they done there?"
What does the reader make of it all? Logically, Digambar
Kamat has the backing of the Centre. After failing miserably
in Gujarat and Himachal Pradesh and, earlier, in Madhya
Pradesh, Jharkhand and Uttar Pradesh, the Centre cannot
afford to risk losing Goa. And that being the situation,
Kamal Nath coolly made his major domo the sacrificial goat? Or
did Pillai shoot his mouth to please Cipla, the Rahejas and
Piramals?
There are, we believe, three stages in the approval of SEZs:
approval-in-principle, final approval and notification.
It smacks of colonialism for the Centre to state, as Pillai
did, that compensation for scrapping a SEZ is a matter
between the states and the concerned industry, when, as is
the case in Goa, SEZs will only marginally benefit the state
in terms of revenue.
IN deed, they will generate employment, which will result in
a massive influx of migrant labour, both at the bottom and
top levels; they will harm local ecology, obliterate large
areas of agricultural land, and, in the name of housing for
SEZ -- specific requirements, build luxury apartments and
malls for importing high-spending, hi-fi socialites and
wannabes -- an insufferable tribe that is already polluting Goa.
SEZs were a mirage that enticed Pratapsingh Rane when he was
chief minister. Kamal Nath stamped him into doing it. He
covertly played the role of a broker to his favourite
industrialists and tempted a seasoned politician, who, in the
1980s, when he assumed power, developed Goa as no other CM
had done.
He was one of the earliest computer buffs of Goa and he would
go out early in the morning on long walks, come back and
enter in his PC new ideas and observations. Until Churchill
Alemao, who wanted to be no more than sports minister,
plotted his downfall and became the CM himself, albeit for
just 19 disastrous days. Then on, development and corruption
became synonymous, whichever party or amalgam of greedy
politicians wrested power.
Take a hard look at the reply given by CM Digambar Kamat on
July 23, 2007 to a starred question No 19 tabled by Manohar
Parrikar MLA for Panjim and Dilip Parulekar, MLA for Saligao
-- a reply that, for whatever reason, evoked the interest of
only one newspaper, Deccan Herald, which ran a long
eye-opening story on it.
What was the reply? Fifteen SEZs had been recommended to the
Board of Approval of the Union Ministry of Commerce, of which
till that date (23/07/07) seven had been approved with an
employment potential of 3.12 lakh employees over five years
in various categories.
Earlier, the Goa government had formulated its SEZ
policy.Seven applications had been approved: Meditab
Specialties; Peninsula, a Piramal company as were two other
approved SEZs -- two for bio-tech parks, one at Sancoale, the
other at Verna; and one for gems and jewellery at Verna;
Rahejas two, both for IT/ITES at Verna, and D V Salgaocar
IT/ITES at Socorro, IT/ITES of the seven approved, three were
notified.
Interestingly, Infotech Corporation, Goa had on that date two
pending applications ("forwarded to GOI for approval") for
the IT Habitat, at Taleigao, and one at Socorro. At some
point in time, the IT Habitat ceased to be an SEZ and became
a separate legal entity.
On paper, all SEZs have been scrapped, including
the three that had been notified. But one is still
to know the final outcome. What seems obvious is
that there are on-going political maneuvers. One
rumour is that two or three MLAs are ready to
resign if paid Rs 5 crore (Rs 50 million, or $1.25
million) each. In which case, BJP would not stake a
claim to take over, but
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[Goanet] Goa news for January 10, 2008
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Mohun Bagan go down 0-1 - The Statesman [3 hours ago] 9: A late goal by Elijah Obagbemiro steered Sporting Clube de Goa to a 1-0 victory over Mohun Bagan in the 10th round of the ONGC I-League at the Nehru ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=5&theme=&usrsess=1&id=184861&cid=1125876633&ei=CmeFR_COJYumqgPV0amXAw *** Winds of political change blow over Goa - Herald Publications [20 hours ago] BY HERALD REPORTER PANJIM, JAN 8 Goas political scenario suddenly seems to be hotting up again as moves are reportedly on to destabilise the 7-month-old ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=6875&cid=10&cid=1126024505&ei=CmeFR_COJYumqgPV0amXAw *** Goa\'s complete online news edition - Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - Herald Publications [20 hours ago] One 15 year old student of Loyola High School was killed in an accient as a minibus carrying strudents from various schools turned turtled as it was ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=6873&cid=1&cid=1126036648&ei=CmeFR_COJYumqgPV0amXAw *** Announce 2008 as Year of the Road in Goa: students - Navhind Times [Jan 8, 2008] Margao, Jan 8 : Requesting the government to take immediate measures to arrest the increasing trendof accidents in Goa, college students urged the Chief ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=010962&cid=1125845130&ei=CmeFR_COJYumqgPV0amXAw *** Centre awaits Goa response on SEZs - Business Standard [Jan 7, 2008] The Centre will take a final decision on the three notified special economic zones (SEZs) in Goa only after receiving a formal communication from the state ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://www.business-standard.com/economy/storypage.php?leftnm=3&subLeft=1&chklogin=N&autono=310015&tab=r&cid=1125540794&ei=CmeFR_COJYumqgPV0amXAw *** How Goa CM persuaded Centre to halt SEZ plans - Rediff [Jan 8, 2008] When Goa Chief Minister Digambar Kamat came to Delhi last week, he was in a "dangerous" mood. The Congress had to struggle to form a government after the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2008/jan/08kamat.htm&cid=0&ei=CmeFR_COJYumqgPV0amXAw *** Fest Foot Forward: Bombay to Goa - Economic Times [Jan 8, 2008] Barely a month ago, a truce between the Advertising Club of Bombay and the Advertising Agencies Association of India (AAAI) over their award show standoff ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Brand_Equity_/Fest_Foot_Forward_Bombay_to_Goa/articleshow/2684467.cms&cid=0&ei=CmeFR_COJYumqgPV0amXAw *** Iron ore exports from Goa down by 11 per cent - Navhind Times [5 hours ago] Panaji, Jan 9 : The Goa Mineral Ore Exporters Association will soon lead a delegation to the Union Finance Minister to urge him not to increase the export ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=011027&cid=0&ei=CmeFR_COJYumqgPV0amXAw *** Promising scenario for tennis in Goa - Navhind Times [4 hours ago] by Jovito Lopes Panaji, Jan 9 : Tennis scenario in Goa is set for a total transformation, with a comprehensive 3-year plan drawn up by Goa Lawn Tennis ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=011037&cid=0&ei=CmeFR_COJYumqgPV0amXAw *** Goa Speaker restores voting rights of two MGP legislators - Hindu [14 hours ago] Panaji (PTI): Goa Assembly Speaker Pratapsingh Rane on Wednesday restored the voting rights of two Maharashtrawadi Gomantak Party (MGP) legislators, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200801091401.htm&cid=1126051309&ei=CmeFR_COJYumqgPV0amXAw Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] XCHR: History Hour: After the Parties: Ethnographic Insights of Anjuna's Rave Tourism - Dr Arun Saldanha
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[Goanet] Goa State Championship will be a rated event
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. In the Executive Body Meeting of the Goa State Chess Association, it was decided that the Goa State Chess Championship to be conducted by the Porvorim Chess Club will be FIDE rated event for the first time in the history of Goan chess. President Salgaocar said that this landmark decision was to enable more upcoming young players from remote areas throughout Goa to get a chance to obtain their initial FIDE rating and save them from exorbitant entry fees when they play outside Goa. 'Parents spend thousands of rupees playing in outstation tournaments' he added stating that this will be a golden opportunity to earn their rating in their own 'home turf'! With a FIDE rating, the kids will also get a chance to get higher seeding in the National age group championships. The additional cost to be borne by the Association was well worth it as per the consensus of the GSCA members present. It was also decided that the National 'B' will be held at Zambaulim from the 15th to the 25th of September. Various committees for smooth conduct of this tournament were drawn up. This tournament will be a norm event for the first time in Indian chess and the presence of several Grandmasters and International Masters will add to the increasing profile of chess in Goa, it was opined. The Executive Body also placed on record their appreciation for M/s Monginis and Mr. Datta Naik who have come forward to sponsor Bhakti Kulkarni and other upcoming Goan players. 'We hope that many more corporate sponsors come forward to support Goan chess', the Body noted in their resolution.
[Goanet] Piano Recital by Joseph Banowetz
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[Goanet] Where are all the prints of Nirmonn, Amchem Noxib, buerantlo Munis etc gone?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Where are all the prints of Nirmonn, Amchem Noxib etc gone? Are they sitting in Maharastra Film division archive? Can any body comment on this please? I remember, in 1980s, anyone could hire those films with 16mm projector (see pic below) Nirmonn/amchem Noxib films etc (3 or 4 large reels) from MS Caro Near Vidya Niketan Building, Margao. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk13/2182113707/ see it bigger by clicking on the link abv. Also, I think, Goa dept of information and publicity were also helping out to show the films in the villages for free with the same original quality. Sometimes, as said before, those illegal copies/CDs found at Pipal Kata Margao were far more better quality than the DVDs currently being produced. Moreover, those films were also shown on Goa Doordharshan (via Bombay) will original quality. What is more disappointing is the price tag i.e. Rs.300 which is too high as compared to the quality of the video. I thought, with the advance digital technology etc one could do wonders. I even thought the colour film (BM) which was first produced more than 10 years after the B&W films like Nirmonn, Amchem Noxib etc would be much better than the previous DVDs produced by the same producers of the above Konkani Films but it was even worst. I simply don't understand the reason behind such poor quality DVDs and the price tag. In his review, Mr. J P Pereira, in Navhind times today said.. .. But with a dearth of Konkani feature films the producer of the video (1977 Buerantlo Munis) recording could have taken trouble to digitally remaster the contents of the DVD as the video and audio are of poor quality. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa or http://is.rediff.com/profilevisitor.php?mem_id=48419 ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] Tourism-related studies from Goa ...
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Recently, I raised a query on Goa-Research-Net, asking the academic
researchers there to point me to some interesting studies on tourism
related to Goa. I would like to thank everyone who gave in their
responses (Raghu Trichur [EMAIL PROTECTED], Patrice Riemens
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Anthony D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED], Zelia
Breda [EMAIL PROTECTED], and others) and share some of what came up:
Some resources received via the G-R-N
[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-research-net] query, and not to
forget that Dr Arun Saldanha of Minneasota talks on Friday at the
XCHR:
* "Raghu Trichur: Tourism and Nation-building: (Re)Locating Goa in
Postcolonial India" in Metahistory: History questioning History,
edited by Charles J. Borges, S.J. & M. N. Pearson, Lisbon: Vega, 2007.
This is the Festschrift complied in Honour of Teotonio R. de Souza.
* Patrice Reimens http://tinyurl.com/2dy6rz ("A Day at the Zombie Beach")
* Anthony D'Andrea: 2007 Global Nomads: Techno and New Age as
Transnational Countercultures in Ibiza and Goa. Routlege
(International Library of Sociology). Book.
http://home.uchicago.edu/~afdandre/
* Anthony D'Andrea: 2006 "The Spiritual Economy of Nightclubs and
Raves: Osho Sannyasins as Party Promoters in Ibiza and Goa." Culture
and Religion. vol. 7, n.1, March, pp.61-75. Article.
http://home.uchicago.edu/~afdandre/
* Anthony D'Andrea: 2004 "Global Nomads: Techno and New Age as
Transnational Countercultures in Ibiza and Goa." In Graham Saint-John
(Ed.). Rave Culture and Religion. London/ New York: Routledge,
pp.236-255 . Book-chapter. http://home.uchicago.edu/~afdandre/
Anthony D'Andrea writes: In my book, while focusing on expatriate
communities, I devote serious efforts to examine how Goans and Goa
tourism interrelate with global leisure economies. I also compare and
contrast Goa with Ibiza, in the context of globalization and
post-colonial issues. In this connection, I critically discuss
studies on tourism, race and post-coloniality in Goa. The book
"Global Nomads" is currently available in hardback edition only (- I
am negotiating a paperback, more affordable edition). Yet, a copy of
the book can be found at Goa University library, or with professor
Alito Siqueira. A multimedia version of my project can be found at my
website: http://home.uchicago.edu/~afdandre/
* Below list is from Zelia Breda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Since I am doing research on tourism in Goa, I have collected a long
list of essays on the subject I have also published a book chapter
on the subject, where I tried to analyse the evolution of the tourism
industry in Goa and its main impacts. I can also send it if you want.
Here's the reference: Breda, Z., 2005. Tourism and the Changing Face
of Goa. In: B. P. George and S. K. Swain (eds.). Advancements in
Tourism Theory and Practice: Perspectives from India. New Delhi:
Abhijeet Publications, pp. 25-49. (ISSN 81-88683-75-2)
References on tourim in Goa:
Alvares, C. (Ed.). (2002). Fish Curry and Rice (4th Edition ed.).
Mapusa: Goa Foundation.
Dantas, N. (Ed.). (1999). The Transforming of Goa. Mapusa: The Other
India Press.
*Davidson, J. O. C., & Taylor, J. S. (1996). Child Prostitution and
Sex Tourism: Goa. Bangkok: ECPAT International.
Dayanand, M. S. (2003). Tourism Attraction Development: A Comparative
Study of the Development of Small and Medium Tourism Attractions in
Goa and Portugal. Unpublished PhD Thesis, University of Goa, Goa.
Desai, N. (2004). See the Devil: Tourism related Paedophilia in Goa
(2nd Edition ed.). Mumbai: Vikas Adhyayan Kendra.
*EQUATIONS. (2002). Weighing the GATS on a development scale: The Case
of Tourism in Goa, India. Bangalore: EQUATIONS.
Kazi, S., & Siqueira, A. (2001). Beach Shacks: Conflict Over Tourists
and Resources. Coastin: A Coastal Policy Research Newsletter(5).
McCabe, S., & Stocks, J. (1998). Issues in Social Impacts of Tourism
Research with Reference to the Indian State of Goa. In K. C. Roy & C
Tisdell (Eds.), Tourism in India and India's Economic Development (pp.
187-200). New York: Nova Science Publishers.
*Menon, A. G. K. (1993). Case Study on the Effects of Tourism on
Culture and the Environment: India - Jaisalmer, Khajuraho and Goa.
Bangkok: UNESCO.
Newman, R. S. (2001). Of Umbrellas, Goddesses and Dreams: Essays on
Goan Culture and Society. Mapusa: Other India Press.
*Noronha, F. (1999). Ten Years Later, Goa Still Uneasy Over the Impact
of Tourism.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: C'est la economie ... s'il vous plait
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Ferddie, Just a thought which is often in my mind, but find very less time to put it on paper. Everybody in Goa educated that's you as well & non educated are being led to believe that any development in Goa will affect the cultural/moral fibre of Goa. Mankind what you see today has evolved from what was from ages, all moral, cultural fibres also changed to what it is today. So all of us have to accept change or else be left behind as dinosaurs. Change is universal cause if you do not change we may land up being prehistoric animals and finally extinct. Basically, looking from the outside I feel most educated Goans living in Goa, are too narrow minded and have a 'superiority complex' and look like 'frogs in the well'. Their minds are in 'automatic gear' and want to oppose any new concept when introduced be it the floating casino on River Sal or the SEZs or the opposition to the Brazilian troupe for the Carnival sans the dancing girls. Whereas the average Goan is taken for a ride by scrupulous politicians who have succeeded to use mass support & more often than not use 'muscle power' of the unemployed youths to create deep pockets of personal wealth. Most of the leading politicians are a 'bunch of criminals' who can get away with daylight murder as well. They too will oppose all the above mentioned as they look at opposition as a potential source of income and not with any idea of safeguarding the interest of Goa.Then we have the so called Mathany Saldhana that you consider a hero. If you think he is conscientious just check out whether he conducts himself as a teacher at Don Bosco's during class or as before he used to talk politics 95% of the time instead of 'Biology' when I was a student. Sorry to say personally what I have said regards Mathany Saldhana is true, can be checked on an unofficial manner with all past pupils. If you are true to your job no politics in class, only the subject one has been directed to teach. The image of Goa today as red in the papers appears to be a zone where no company of repute would like to invest in, if this happens all the educated Goans will either have to leave and find professional satisfaction & growth elsewhere, while those left behind will be forced into surviving by hook or by crook, these are the seeds of revolt, criminalisation and may be in the not too far future, our culture will soon evolve into an uncivilised world. Most criminals are forced into due survival of their near & dear ones. I could go on & on, Ferdie please see well beyond your nose and you have a responsibility towards Goa. Please excuse the grammar or spelling mistakes as I am in a hurry & this is impromptu and sans editing. Regards, Alves Fernandes
Re: [Goanet] Goanet moderators are doing fine
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Gabe Perhaps it is the more controversial and provocative "flame bite" posts rather than the factual ones that get rejected. I have had some of mine rejected and on the whole, have appreciate the reasons provided by the moderators. Regarding your stated Jewish ancestry do you think this becomes evident in the content selected and writing style? Just terribly curious about this novel explanation! Regards Cornel Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: RESPONSE: Poor you, Pravin Sabnis - I have never had the ignominy of having a single post rejected; maybe it's to do with my Jewish ancestry.
[Goanet] James D'Silva: Whozzat guy with Madonna?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. James D'Silva: Whozzat guy with Madonna? 10 Jan: Daily News & Analysis. The tall, well built man kissing Madonna is James D'Silva and he's a London-based Pilates instructor . James, who trained as a ballet dancer in his native Goa, went to England 21 years ago. He turned a yoga instructor and later discovered Gyrotonics . James has been accompanying Madonna to all her outings . There are unconfirmed reports that Madonna might make a trip to Goa to meet James' mother. For full text and photo see . http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1144029 For the Goan Voice James D'Silva supplement see http://goanvoice.org.uk/supplement/JamesDSilva.htm If the links do not work go to http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/ Eddie Fernandes
[Goanet] From the coming Toronto Convention: Blog - 9 Jan:
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. _ FROM THE COMING TORONTO CONVENTION: BLOG - 9 JAN: here's part of the daily blog - click on the link below for the rest - incl. the INTERVIEW WITH BRAD PITT! http://2008goanconvention.com/blog/index.php DEAR AUNTY, My sister was Christian, but now has become a Sikh. Is she lost to us? Pinky ... Dear Pinky: No, just a goan miss-singh! ___ CHURCHILL WORRIES IN TAXI TO TORONTO HOTEL:) "The driver says in his job he has no breaks - what if we bang somebody??" ___ FAMOUS INDIANS TO ATTEND TORONTO CONVENTION:) World Famous Actress, married to Brad Pitt: ANJALI JOLLY ___ AMAZING GOA #7: (J.P. Lourenco) 1. Which was the first book printed in Konkani? Doutrina Christa, printed by Fr. Thomas Stevens in 1622. 2. According to mythology, in which place in Goa did Lord Rama stay during his exile? Cabo de Rama. 3. Which religious event in Siolim is celebrated by Hindus and Christians together? Siolim Zagor (Wake). 4. During which period did the British briefly occupy Goa? 1799-1813, as a sequel to the Napoleonic wars. 5. How did Ribandar get its name? Rai-Bandar (Port of the Rayas, Vijayanagar kings). THERE ARE 193 DAYS LEFT FOR THE CONVENTION! http://2008goanconvention.com/ pls. forward to anybody interested in the Convention _ Use fowl language with Chicktionary. Click here to start playing! http://puzzles.sympatico.msn.ca/chicktionary/index.html?icid=htmlsig
Re: [Goanet] Liberty, Equality, Fraternity for Rajan!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Roland, You can call me Reena. The word journalist was never meant to be used as a title, anyway;-) As for your defence of Rajan, are you saying there are no civic minded citizens, journos, photographers.in Goa, doing a job like he does? And would you like it if all of them went about like canons on the loose, shooting their mouths like Rajan? Think about it. Reena Roland Francis wrote: > Actually, I disagree with you on all counts ms journalist Reena Martins. > > Rajan may be exaggerative with his solutions to the many problems that Goa > faces today due to the unbridled population influx of people who are wont to > make it a pigsty, and which he brings to the front burner, but he speaks for > the common Goan, including myself. > > I may not agree with all he says, but I do agree with most of it and as for > the remainder that I don't agree with, I need to afford him the liberty to > say it. > > Roland-in-Toronto > 416-453-3371 > > On Jan 9, 2008 3:34 AM, Reena Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It is, indeed, shocking and very annoying to see Rajan's brand of > > arrogance and > > intolerance on Goanet. They sure caught him young and watched him grow, it > > seems;-) > > While Goa could do with his talent with the lens, Goanet could certainly > > do with > > a lot less of his rabid nonsense. > > Cut it out, pal. Think we've had enough of your crap--and I don't mean the > > stuff > > along the Mandovi or wherever. > > Reena > > > >
Re: [Goanet] Liberty, equality, crap....
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Very well said, Reena! I don't go thru every post on this list these days as I used to do earlier, but the following post from Roland caught my eye. Then I saw your post appended to it and I said 'bravo'! Someone had to hold the mirror to this rabidly arrogant bigot who takes sadistic pleasure in trashing the poor and unfortunate people who struggle for a square meal. And you've done it with commendable finesse. He's pandering to the xenophobic and hypochondric instincts of non-resident Goans, but what's surprising is that a person of Roland's intellect has fallen for his literal crap. Cheers, RKN On Jan 9, 2008 3:34 AM, Reena Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is, indeed, shocking and very annoying to see Rajan's brand of > arrogance and > intolerance on Goanet. They sure caught him young and watched him grow, it > seems;-) > While Goa could do with his talent with the lens, Goanet could certainly > do with > a lot less of his rabid nonsense. > Cut it out, pal. Think we've had enough of your crap--and I don't mean the > stuff > along the Mandovi or wherever. > Reena > Actually, I disagree with you on all counts ms journalist Reena Martins. Rajan may be exaggerative with his solutions to the many problems that Goa faces today due to the unbridled population influx of people who are wont to make it a pigsty, and which he brings to the front burner, but he speaks for the common Goan, including myself. I may not agree with all he says, but I do agree with most of it and as for the remainder that I don't agree with, I need to afford him the liberty to say it. Roland-in-Toronto 416-453-3371
[Goanet] Scribes as dialogue agents workshop
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Scribes as dialogue agents workshop PANJIM, JAN 9- Dr Basilio Monteiro, professor of International Communication for Development, St. John's University, New York will speak on the role of journalists at the workshop on 'Journalists: Agents of public dialogue - Promoting sustainable and progressive development to be be held at Hotel Mandovi, on January 16, between 10am to 12.30 pm A Goan based in New York, Monteiro completed his PhD in sociology and Anthropology of Communication and has been teaching at St. John's niversity for several years. Journalists, freelance writers and communication specialists can attend this workshop which will be followed by an open house session where issues pertaining to journalists will be dealt with. Dr Monteiro, the facilitator of the workshop, though living a long way from his motherland has been watching the Goan media closely and is in an excellent position to interact with the media in the State. The workshop is being organized by Science and Religion Sangam, a non profit association of like minded individuals attempting to promote a dialogue between science and religion.Interested persons can contact: 9822185826/9822161601 for further information on the workshop. http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=6920&cid=26
[Goanet] Goa - blessed by the Gods
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goa - blessed by the Gods Rohit R. Phalgaonkar Goa's scenic beauty and rich cultural heritage attracts many tourists, yet many visitors are unaware of some hinterlands and verdant pockets of Goa. Each taluka of Goa is unique and has its own distinct character. The Sahyadhri Khand mentions that Goa was created when Shri Parshuram shot an arrow in the Arabian Sea and ordered it to recede. Along with him he brought many Rishis (sages), out of which, seven meditated near the confluence of five rivers for seven crores years. Pleased with the Rishis, Shri Mahadev appeared on Earth and granted them a boon. The Rishis requested him to stay on this Earth so that even the other people could worship him. The boon was granted and since then, Shri Mahadev resided in Goa by the name of Shri Saptkoteshwar. The Bhojs, the Chalukys, the Shilahars, the Kadambs, the Vijaynagars ruled over this "Punnya Bhumi". The dynastic rule in Goa can be traced from the 4th century AD upto the 16th century. Each dynasty's worship of a distinct deity, new cultural forms and food habits were easily assimilated in Goa's soil and remained for years to come. A beautiful temple of Shri Saptkoteshwar in Narve in the taluka of Bicholim is a testimony to many historic events of Goa's past. The Kadamb dynasty's rule is considered to be the "Suvarn Kaal" or "Golden Period" of Goa. They worshipped the Shri Saptkoteshwar and the Kadamb king Jaikeshi Dev I, in the 11th century, even had the name of this deity inscribed on the coins during his rule. A beautiful temple of Shri Saptkoteshwar of the Kadamb period existed on the island of "Dipwati", today's Diwar. The invasions of the Turks (probably the Bahamanis or Tughlaqs) ruined this temple. The legend in Narve mentions that the temple was reconstructed in Diwar by Madhav Mantri of the Vijaynagar dynasty. This legend is asserted on copper plates of Madhav Mantri dated 1391AD found outside Goa. The temple ruins in Diwar today speak volumes about its past. A water tank with carved niches on its walls is all that has remained of that glorious structure. During the Inquisition period, the "Ling" was kept on a barbican of a well. The marks of the copper vessel can be still seen on it. It was rescued by Narayan Surya Rao Sardesai and was kept in a laterite cave in Narve in Bicholim taluka. An attempt was made by the great Chatrapati Shivaji from Maharashtra, to free Goa from foreign yoke in 1664 AD. He ordered a new temple to be built in 1668 and established a contribution of 600 Honns (a type of currency). This inscription still exists on the wall of the Mukhmandap of the temple today. Goa Plus January 4, 2008
[Goanet] Good feelings
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Good feelings Fr. Peter Fernandes, sfx Our political leaders call on citizens to close their eyes, and have good feelings! In the recent past, BJP government has made a startling announcement, "India Shinning". That, which was said to be shinning, was in reality rust, (poverty, illiteracy, corruption, religious intolerance) but they said, "never mind, you feel good!" The "feel good drug" is being sold by all the political parties, and in no way does it alleviate the misery of the masses. It only serves to increase the peddlers' sins of looting from the bounty. By what method do we measure progress? The present congress government in Goa is dillydallies with its citizens by introducing "Feel good drugs" in the form of SEZ, IT- parks, Housing Zones, etc. All the while, the basic infrastructure is in a deplorable state. The hellish roads in Goa barely lead people to their destination, electricity plays hide and seek, and our taps are crying for water because they are dry and thirsty. All this, despite our being blessed with rains above average. Our present PWD minister declared his objectives to save Goa from the corrupt ones, but we failed to realize that he, himself, administered to us a dose of "feel good drug". Time speaks volumes! Currently, his vision has narrowed to the point that he sees the whole of Goa through the eye of Navelim constituency. Is he serving Goa, or is he saving his seat for the next election? Who will decipher that for us? Meant time, he calls for goans to have good feelings. How long will it take us to come out from under this drug, and act as responsible citizens? Our good nature is being exploited by our own people, and we are left in the dark. The time has come for us to rise above the ordinary mire, take a stand, and honorably shine before men with our good deeds, for all to witness. Good feelings do not make actions superior. It is good deeds that will produce the sought after good feelings.
[Goanet] You can offset your carbon footprint
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/rssarticleshow/msid-2673179,prtpage-1.cms You can offset your carbon footprint 4 Jan 2008, 0111 hrs IST,Namrata Singh,TNN SMS NEWS to 5 for latest updates MUMBAI: If you've not had a carbon-neutral New Year's eve, you still have a chance to offset your environment degrading greenhouse gas emissions like carbon dioxide (CO2) which arise from your daily travel by car to work and usage of comfort-enhancing durables like air-conditioners. Take a cue from what Emmanuel D'Silva, Antonieta Noronha and Narendra Jindal have done to get a zero-carbon footprint. They do not own big industries which belch out greenhouse gases that are harmful to the environment.Nevertheless, as individuals they are concerned about their daily lifestyles contributing in some way or the other to the aspect of climate change. They have calculated their carbon footprints and offset them by donating money to a cause of growing trees whose seeds can generate biofuel. Carbon footprint is the total quantum of carbon emissions of an individual or a household as a result of air travel, car travel, usage of electricity and other household appliances. There are many ways by which individuals could reduce these emissions and offset them, like planting trees, switching to compact fluorescent lamp (CFL) bulbs, or simply by purchasing carbon credits from the voluntary market. D'Silva, who is an environmental economist, has a chock-a-block travel schedule throughout the year. Of his total carbon footprint of 25 tonne of CO2 per annum, 24 tonne of CO2 comes from travel alone. To offset this, he donates Rs 10,000 to a village to plant trees. Said D'Silva, who has previously worked as a staff economist at World Bank in Washington, DC: "I believe that individuals should take responsibility for the pollution they generate from their cars, flights, and general lifestyle. It is not enough that we pay for the emissions, we should also take steps to reduce our carbon footprint." D'Silva, who advises individuals, companies and NGOs on how to reduce their carbon footprint, has changed his household lights to CFL bulbs. He has set up a vermicompost pit in his housing complex in Mahim where he recycles about 1.5 tonne of waste every two months. For Antonieta Noronha, headmistress, Our Lady of Perpetual Succour, Cortalim, Goa, the usage of petrol per week is 16 litres. She travels 11 km everyday by car, and feels guilty about the emissions generated in the process. "To offset my carbon footprint, I donate around Rs 600 per year to a village which grows biofuel trees. This makes me feel better, as otherwise I was polluting the atmosphere," said Norohna. The calculations used here: An emission factor of 0.00222 per litre of petrol. For diesel, the emission factor is 0.00228 to get one tonne of CO2. Jindal, a manager (department of supervision), Nabard, too has calculated his carbon footprint. His usage of petrol runs into 35 litres per month. This, along with his other household emissions, comes to an around one tonne of CO2 per annum. In order to offset his carbon footprint, Jindal contributes Rs 250 per annum to the cause of planting biofuel trees in a village in Andhra Pradesh. One could also calculate carbon footprint on electricity consumption based on the following calculation: The emission factor for the Southern grid is 750 tonne of CO2 emissions for 1 million units of electricity consumed. There are many carbon footprint websites which help calculate carbon footprint.
Re: [Goanet] Citibank CEO - Vik Pandit.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Eric I note with much interest your words "I would be pleased to discover [if] he had spent four years at our school in Mombasa" and that you will explore this possibility with Theo [de Souza} whom I know of course. Well, well, well Eric, suddenly, the school you uninformatively disparaged quite recently on Goanet, suddenly becomes for you, possibly the one that educated a Parsee youth whom you know via his family, and who now "has two Doctorates under his belt". For me, Eric, this raises the question about any consistency in your integrity regarding what you disparagingly said previously about the Goan High School, Mombasa. Dr Cornel DaCosta eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At the Parsee Society School in Bombay, until he was twelve, when the family was moved to Mombasa by Sarabai Merck. He was sent to Columbia U, NY, when he was sixteeen. An engineer, he has two Doctorates under his belt. I would be pleased to discover he had spent those four years at our school in Mombasa. I plan on asking Theo, of the GI, to do some digging...
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: C'est la economie ... s'il vous plait
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I thought "Here we go again, Oscar, (of the alphabet soup school of writing)" but was surprised to find that this one was more sober. Keep it up, doctor saheb! But what do you make of this analysis? Juxtapose this with: It is clear that when push comes to shove, dotor is for the latter (beer and sorpotel or whatever). Now take a look at this from Economic Times: To put it mildly, Oscar needs to flesh out his vision for the aam Goan aadmi a bit! Cheers.
Re: [Goanet] A democratic forum
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 09/01/2008, nelson ferrao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > Vivian,don't be surprised, if they call you fake or BJP sympathiser! > Keep on writing > mog asu di > Nelson RESPONSE: I think there are a number of people who can vouch for Vivian; that he exists and that is his real name ! I shall be meeting him shortly as well. The question of Vivian being fake does not arise at all. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] Goa and Goans insulted in Calcutta Telegraph editorial
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. [Cecil Pinto] Cecil, you must be joking, right? Cheers.
[Goanet] GRAND DINNER DANCE
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. GRAND DINNER DANCE SATURDAY, 19TH JANUARY 2008 THE WORLD ALLIANCE OF THE GOAN OVERSEAS ASSOCIATIONS INVITES YOU ALL TO A GRAND DINNER DANCE TO BE HELD AT THE FAMOUS MANDOVI RIVIERA, PANJIM ON SATURDAY, 19TH JANUARY 2008 FROM 6.00 P.M. ONWARDS. GUEST OF HONOUR, SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO, COMMISSIONER FOR NRI AFFAIRS, GOA. ALL SURPLUS FUNDS RAISED BY THE EVENT WILL BE DONATED TO DESERVING GOAN CHARITIES. DANCE TO GOA's FAMOUS LIVE BAND "FOREFRONT" MEET AND GREET GOANS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD DRESS FORMAL - CASH BAR ADMISSION RS.700/- PER PERSON INCLUSIVE OF FOOD / COMPLIMENTARY DRINKS/FLOOR SHOWS TICKETS SOLD ON FIRST COME, FIRST SOLD BASIS. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR TICKETS BY JANUARY 13th, 2008 (IMPORTANT : NO TICKETS SOLD AT THE GATE) PURCHASE YOUR TICKETS NOW FROM: ANTONIO MASCARENHAS, VILLA FATIMA BEACH RESORT, CALANGUTE (TELEPHONE NO. 2277418) VIVIAN D'SOUZA, PORVORIM (TELEPHONE No. 2416042) FREEDOM HOLIDAYS (MARTIN JOSEPH) Patto Centre Office No.6, III Floor, Near Kadamba Bustand, Near Hotel Rego Panjim, Goa TEL: 2438320 / 21, 5643311 /12 MARGAO TELEPHONE 2734211- Office No G,Garden View bldg,Phase I,Behind Axis(UTI) Bank Margao DABOLIM GOA AIRPORT TELEPHONE NO. 2541468
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 31
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. RE: Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 31 From: CARMO DCRUZ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Thu 1/10/08 4:31 AM To: goanet@lists.goanet.org; dr.cornel dacosta ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Cc: DR.Jose Colaco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Cornel,My first Std Teacher convinced me that there is only one God in solidly Jesuit St Stanislaus High School, Bandra.I have never challenged that. This is one of the predicaments of not being thru a solid Jesuit Education !Manohar Bhau, Can we put all parochial Schools in Goa under Jesuit Control ?Goa will have the highest Standards of Education then ! Best Regards, Dr Carmo D'Cruz, INDIAN Harbour Beach, Florida, USA
[Goanet] Alternative schooling in India, growing big enough for a book
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Recently, Sage-India sent me a review copy of their book 'Alternative Schooling in India'. Needless to say, it's a book I enjoyed immensely. Self-description: "This book brings into focus the innovative methods of learning in many Indian schools. It sheds light on schools that make the learning process fun for the teacher as well as the taught, in contrast to the whirl of examination-oriented learning in mainstream schools." In a separate section, that offers a diretory of alternative schools in India, I came across quite a few institutions. In Andhra, Bihar, Gujarat, Karnataka, Kerala, even Ladakh, Maharashtra, Delhi, Orissa, Pondicherry, Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, Uttarakhand, UP and West Bengal. Somehow Goa just doesn't figure. Would anyone know how the institutions here that offer "alternative" education rate nationally and beyond? Thanks for your inputs. FN -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 Links from Goa: http://goalinks.livejournal.com/
Re: [Goanet] foul missionary literature
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Frederick [FN] Noronha wrote: (Incidentally, NDTV reports that the clashes were between Dalits and Adivasis, with the saffronites entering the fray and fishing in troubled waters. There is also the issue of benefits claimed by the Dalits, post-conversion.) RESPONSE: Regarding NDTV, it is funded by Gospels of Charity in Spain which supports Communism. Recently it has developed a soft corner towards Pakistan because Pakistan President has allowed only this channel to be aired in Pakistan. Its Indian CEO Prannoy Roy is co-brother of Prakash Karat, General Secretary of Communist party of India. What else can you expect from a media which is highly biased. http://fundoo.rediffiland.com/blogs/2007/12/12/Ownership-of-Indian.html http://rajee.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/12/who-controls-indian-media.htm Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Facts on Clashes among Christian Missionaries and the Tribals in Kandhamal District of Orissa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 09/01/2008, Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cheers, > > Santosh > > P.S. But the above post raises an important question: > Are there rampant coercive and illegal religious > conversions taking place in India, especially with > foreign grants and donations? > > I have not been able to obtain a clear answer to this > question from any unbiased and impartial source. RESPONSE: It is alleged that Catholic Goaneters have donated USD 5 million towards the cause. The biggest contributor is from a Goan Catholic from Toledo, Ohio, with a whopping USD 4,999,995. Having been raised in Jabalwhereever, the man has first class knowledge and decided to give back to Caesar what is Caesar's. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] Attempts at Goanet censorship
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: > Frederick Noronha's litany of complaints about my posts is > amusing. Simply put, he would like to see my views > muzzled and my posts censored. r, Like I mentioned before, paranoia has set in my friend. Paranoia. > He and his like-minded colleagues would rather that I not > write since I challenge the views they have nurtured over > the years on Goanet. Now that Goanet is assuming a > diverse participation both in content and people - Goan > Hindus are beginning to write and political leanings other > than pro-Kangress chants are being expressed - it has set > off the proverbial cat among the pigeons. Firstly, Goanet has always been a diverse community. The numbers, i.e. 10,000 members, verify that. Secondly, apart form paranoia, I would also suggest that you must have super natural powers. How else could you deduce that a person is a Hindu or Christian? By his name? Either that or you are falling into the same trap that a ten year old falls into when s/he deduces that, "Hey, her name is Sheela, she is a Hindu." > I shall not stop writing and it is my hope that the moderators > will not be coerced into censoring what I think are legitimate > views and concerns that I express through my postings. If the > moderators are serious about implementing the guidelines of > Goanet to the letter then I submit that every second post will > not make it to the board. All we will have left are bland > notices of child births and obituaries. Man, you are really confused. Goanet has never been a post board for births or deaths. These posts do not make up even one basis point of the posts here. Thankfully, the posts are on what happens in between. Your post to "One, shoot them at the border. The problem with this option is that a few Goans may object on grounds of cruelty to animals" included. > Nor will I acquiesce to censorship of words - for instance, I > shall continue to use the word "ghati" in my writings and in > real life. The word has wide currency among Goans and it is > nobody's place to tell me whether I should or not use that > word. I am not here to seek papal blessings or aashirwad > from any swamiji. I am not surprised. You admitted that even after spending 20 years in the USA, you still felt like a foreigner. Looks like you have carried that insecurity back to India. While the majority of Indians see the country as a mosaic of different religions and of different beliefs living together, you have a craving to label and isolate your neighbour. Your favourite label is Muslim, followed by Marxist. You even go to the extent of labelling my Hindu brothers as 'ghatis.' This is something you must have picked up from US politicians as I am told they label people like you as "macacas." One last thing, it gives you great pleasure to capture and post pictures of people relieving themselves in public places. Are the pictures in themselves smug comfort for you? Do you want to do anything to help these poor people? Or are the pictures just an excuse to use more vulgar words and thoughts on Goanet? Mervyn3.0 "But hold on - there is one Identity the Comrade has no problems at all pandering to, acknowledging & certifying as genuine: namely, the Muslim Identity (the Ummah). Historically, this has proven itself to be the most violent & destructive of Identities, but strangely the Comrade hasn't noticed. The Muslim Identity explicitly not only excludes me, the Hindu, by labeling me a kaffir, it also wants to dispatch me into eternal sleep unless I sign up to the One and Only True Book. They have been practicing this for over 1000 years but somehow this mullah-designed Insider-Outsider filtering system seems not to have crossed the Comrade's line of view." - Rajan Parrikar - Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. http://www.flickr.com/gift/
[Goanet] "Mopa needs sound planning"
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Mopa needs sound planning* Philip S. Thomas Some useful details of the ICAO report about Dabolim and Mopa have appeared in the local English media recently. Ostensibly the report is, indeed, about the two airports together. In fact, it acknowledges that both airports may be needed on "social and economic grounds". It is silent on the issue of the government's political credibility since the latter has openly backed the idea of a two-airport tango with little or no clue as to how to proceed. The report confirms our worst fears that Goa is sought to be stampeded into going in for the old Mopa project in an unjustified way. The signs are clearly visible in a series of surprising conceptual flaws in the ICAO's approach. First and foremost, ICAO neglects to address the issue of the Union Cabinet 's Resolution 2000 which mandates the closure of Dabolim civil enclave once Mopa is functional. Ostensibly based on the 150 km separation rule, this resolution may have been at the instance of the military under the guise of enhancing the viability of a greenfield airport project for private developers. The rule is currently under active review and may be relaxed across the board. Goa should monitor the outcome closely before jumping onto the ICAO plan. But Resolution 2000 will be an obstacle till it is reworked. The next flaw is in the use of the term "dual airport system" in conjunction with the tell-tale warning about the commercial and financial risks of "splitting air traffic". The issue arises if both Dabolim and Mopa are considered as "international airports". This was the source of the original plan for Mopa, designed as a replacement for Dabolim, not as a supplement. Once it was clear that both airports need to co-exist, ICAO should have recast the plan for Mopa in 2006 to function as a smaller regional airport (albeit with the vision and design provisions for modular enlargement over time according to traffic growth). Instead it still talks of a $325 million project (up 40% from $225 million in 2005) even though capacity has supposedly been halved (from nearly 12 million to 6 million). In India it is easy to fall into the trap of "dual airports" because the pent up demand for airport infrastructure induces us to think that every new airport has to be an international airport. But in the rest of the world every new airport is not an international airport from Day One. The distinction usually applied is between "primary airports" and "secondary airports" which, therefore, constitute "multi-airport systems". For vital historical and practical reasons, Dabolim must be retained by Goa as a primary airport to the maximum extent possible and Mopa should be designed as a secondary airport, at least at the outset. In this connection, it is unfair for ICAO to single out the Goa government for preparing an "airport development strategy" while overlooking the role of its own client, the civil aviation ministry at the Centre. But it is a good wake up call to all of us in Goa if the state is to avoid being stampeded in unwanted directions. Goa cannot expect others to divine its fundamental interests in aviation without participating pro-actively in the planning process. ICAO missed out on all the necessary parameters because it got side-tracked by the nominal military element of Dabolim. It is "plane wrong" in saying that "the primary use of Dabolim is for military purposes". On the contrary, the Navy never misses an opportunity to play to the gallery by (a) proudly proclaiming that it uses "only 16%" of weekly runway time for purely military purposes and (b) suggesting that congestion could be easily reduced if airlines made use of all the night hours. This inadvertently confirms that Dabolim was originally a civilian airport and still continues to be primarily a civilian facility even though it is controlled by the military since Liberation. It is like a sheep in wolf's clothing. The fallacy in the Navy's stance is that all hours are the same. In fact the hours blocked by the Navy are peak (morning) hours for national air traffic. What are available to airlines at Goa are mostly off-peak hours (in the afternoon) and non-peak hours (at night). The latter may be useful only for international airlines from the west and for domestic low cost carriers (if concessional airport rates and low ATF sales taxes are charged). Indeed it should be useful to
Re: [Goanet] Of men, mice and Goan proposals
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Carvalho wrote: > He asked me what I did in my spare-time, > and I said I liked to read, he said, "oh Mills and > Boons?". That was it for me. I wanted to gouge his > eyes out, tear his 10%cotton-100%polyester bushcoat to > pieces and force-feed him the rest of the caldine > through his nose. Only the invisible constraints > darting from my mother's eyes kept me at bay. Despite > all that, he proposed, I refused and all of us lived > happily ever after :-) Selma, I too plead guilty of using "Mills and Boon" to get rid of women :-) Sometimes that trick does not work. What works, every time, is to ask the woman for a $15,000.00 loan. That, my friend, is the cleanest way to break up with anybody. No more crying phone calls at 2.00am. No more calls for an explanation. No more of any thing. It works with both friend and foe. Mervyn3.0 Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: [Goanet] Myths regarding missionary social work
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Chinmay Bhandare/Bhandari wrote: > If "gospel values" have such a wonderful effect and promote so much > equality why was apartheid and racism so rampant in > the US where such "gospel values" hold sway? B, Apartheid in S. Africa was not created to keep the races apart. It was created to keep the wealth in the hands of the whites. Every excuse, including quotes from the Bible, were used to justify apartheid. It is the same in the US. The country went to war when the South was deprived of their God given right to own slaves. When George Bush went to invade Iraq, he asked the most popular preacher to stand by his side and shout, "God is on our side." "Gospel values" are going to be used by politicians in the future too. The white mans party, opps, the Republican party has a Baptist preacher and a Mormon bishop in the race for President. As a church goer, I am sure you are contributing financially for the Sunday Church experience. I can assure you that part of those contributions are used to promote "gospel values" on the political and economic stage too. Lastly, I find it strange that someone like you with an 'open mind' has not asked your Sunday preacher the above question. I hope my explanation helps. Now I need some help from you. Do you know of any Hindu's who use religion for political purposes? Please don't try and weasel out of this question. Mervyn3.0 "The white man came to Africa, gave us a bible and asked us to close our eyes and pray with him. When we opened our eyes we had the bible and he had the land." - Jomo Kenyatta - Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. http://www.flickr.com/gift/
[Goanet] Goanet] Facts on Clashes among Christian Missionaries in Orissa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Dr. Santosh, It is difficult to get the absolute Truth about conversions ...and re-conversions or shuddikaran taking place in India, and not just in the tribal belts. There is foreign funding on both sides of the divide as there is a sizeable NRI population emotionally involve in this system of perpetuating religions at all costs. It is more about social engineering than about religion just as it was for the colonialists. Coercive conversions, thankfully , are an exception rather than the rule in India of the third millenium. Information flows are more responsible for this change than any change of heart ;-) Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:30:34 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Facts on Clashes among Christian Missionaries and the Tribals in Kandhamal District of Orissa --- Vinay Natekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let us see the other side of truth regarding voilence >in Orrissa Vinay > > Facts on Clashes among Christian Missionaries and > the Tribals in Kandhamal District of Orissa > > Ashok Sahu, IPS (Retd.), > Former Inspector General of Police. > Like the Dayal panel report, it is hard to believe that these are facts. The two set of "facts" are facts colored by two different ideologies. But it is important that all points of view be heard. That is why posts from all people - Vinay, Rajan, Chinmay, Dr. Barad, Kamlaksh, Vidyadhar, Mario, Albert, Fr. Ivo, Fr. Botelho, Nasci, etc. are welcome in this forum. None of their posts should be rejected. Cheers, Santosh P.S. But the above post raises an important question: Are there rampant coercive and illegal religious conversions taking place in India, especially with foreign grants and donations? I have not been able to obtain a clear answer to this question from any unbiased and impartial source. -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] Details of the Goa Inquisition
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. A Hindutvavadi sent this to me. I do not know what is the truth in all this. Sachin Phadte = Details of the Goa Inquisition Dr. T. R. de Souza At least from 1540 onwards, and in the island of Goa before that year, all the Hindu idols had been annihilated or had disappeared, all the temples had been destroyed and their sites and building material was in most cases utilized to erect new Christian Churches and chapels. Various viceregal and Church council decrees banished the Hindu priests from the Portuguese territories; the public practices of Hindu rites including marriage rites, were banned; the state took upon itself the task of bringing up Hindu orphan children; the Hindus were denied certain employments, while the Christians were preferred; it was ensured that the Hindus would not harass those who became Christians, and on the contrary, the Hindus were obliged to assemble periodically in Churches to listen to preaching or to the refutation of their religion." "A particularly grave abuse was practiced in Goa in the form of 'mass baptism' and what went before it. The practice was begun by the Jesuits and was alter initiated by the Franciscans also. The Jesuits staged an annual mass baptism on the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul (January 25), and in order to secure as many neophytes as possible, a few days before the ceremony the Jesuits would go through the streets of the Hindu quarter in pairs, accompanied by their Negro slaves, whom they would urge to seize the Hindus. When the blacks caught up a fugitive, they would smear his lips with a piece of beef, making him an 'untouchable' among his people. Conversion to Christianity was then his only option." The Goan inquisition is regarded by all contemporary portrayals as the most violent inquisition ever executed by the Portuguese Catholic Church. It lasted from 1560 to 1812. The inquisition was set as a tribunal, headed by a judge, sent to Goa from Portugal and was assisted by two judicial henchmen. The judge was answerable to no one except to Lisbon and handed down punishments as he saw fit. The Inquisition Laws filled 230 pages and the palace where the Inquisition was conducted was known as the Big House and the Inquisition proceedings were always conducted behind closed shutters and closed doors. The screams of agony of the culprits (men, women, and children) could be heard in the streets, in the stillness of the night, as they were brutally interrogated, flogged, and slowly dismembered in front of their relatives. Eyelids were sliced off and extremities were amputated carefully, a person could remain conscious even though the only thing that remained was his torso and a h ead. Diago de Boarda, a priest and his advisor Vicar General, Miguel Vazz had made a 41 point plan for torturing Hindus. Under this plan Viceroy Antano de Noronha issued in 1566, an order applicable to the entire area under Portuguese rule : "I hereby order that in any area owned by my master, the king, nobody should construct a Hindu temple and such temples already constructed should not be repaired without my permission. If this order is transgressed, such temples shall be, destroyed and the goods in them shall be used to meet expenses of holy deeds, as punishment of such transgression." In 1567 the campaign of destroying temples in Bardez met with success. At the end of it 300 Hindu temples were destroyed. Enacting laws, prohibition was laid from December 4, 1567 on rituals of Hindu marriages, sacred thread wearing and cremation. All the persons above 15 years of age were compelled to listen to Christian preaching, failing which they were punished. A religious fatva was issued on the basis of the findings of Goa Inquiry Commission. It stated,"...Hereby we declare the decision that the conventions mentioned in the preamble of the fatva as stated below are permanently declared as useless, and therefore prohibited". Prohibitions Regarding Marriages -The instruments for Hindu songs shall not be played. -While giving dowry the relatives of the bride and groom must not be invited. -At the time of marriage, betel leaf packages (pan) must not be distributed either publicly or in private to the persons present. -Flowers, or fried puris, betel nuts and leaves must not be sent to the heads of the houses of the bride or groom.
Re: [Goanet] Of men, mice and Goan proposals *story*
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Ah, those hatching, matching and dispatching stories from the Goa are so quaint, they bring tears, laughter and nostalgia all at once... thought living through often leaves a life-long scar!! In continuing the exchange of stories, I have a match-making story that involves two central themes in Goan village life: a bottle of feni and the annoying and persistent match-maker or soorik-kaar. This incident took place in Bombay Dhobitalao (true story and narrated by the two potential-grooms)... in the kood-district (around Baastani-Kyani restos). I lived in the area as a student at St-Xaviers College and for my doze of Goa, crossed the street in the evening and there was Goan village life in full bloom...the parade of 'auntys' included. My friends Kaji, a tailor by profession and very charming and talkative (and a year away from getting hitched) and Simao, a 'special' taxi driver, quiet in a devilish way, were being pursued by a match-maker to come 'see' the bride. The match-maker was persistent and at some point, had mentioned to the brides-father about Kaji, the tailor with potential. My friends were not interested in this girl and avoided the match-maker. One day, the sooirk-kaar begged them ' just come and view the bride' to make the voklecho-paai happy, he said. With the promise of 'real feni' and food, my friends were tempted and set up the date. In the planning, they decided to inter-change their names...Simao was a man of few words (and the match-maker wanted the potential groom be talkative, to make the evening a success). So on the appointed day, Simao was Kaji and Kaji The evening started well they said. The vookol-to-be was presented and out came some pattis. Then the vooklecho paai brought out the feni bottle. Which went down smoothly and the evening looked good...and in keeping with the tempo, the paai brought out a bottle of scotchwhich is when the evening hit a bump. My friends, by now 'happy' and fired-up and with an eye firmly on the bottle than the potential-bride forgot they had inter-changed their names. Confusion ensured. The vooklecho paa caught onand the sober vookol-to-be was in tears. The trio were quickly shown the door and for the longest-time, the soorik-kaar never came to the Baastani-Kiyaani corner again. Kaji was married the following year; Simao, I am not sure. They both passed on I head; their adventures and laughter are ever so present under the oak tree which was the meeting place in Dhobitalao. http://goanbeer.blogspot.com/ On 1/9/08, Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You surely must have been a disappointment to your > > parents when they brought > > nice Goan boys to meet you in the family drawing > > room with intent to a > > marriage arrangement, to hear you ask those > > prospective grooms what they > > thought of the Keynesian Monetary Theory > - > > Dear Roland, > When I "came of age", my parents decided that holidays > to Goa would no longer be spent on visiting relatives, > distributing Kit-kats, and serving Tang when they came > to visit us. Instead, they would be spent scouring the > countryside for a groom and "going for proposals". >
Re: [Goanet] torture of christians in Orissa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. > Marshall Mendonza: wrote > Please note the most literate states in India are those where the > christian missionaries have been most active eg: Kerala, Goa, > North -East,Tamiil Nadu, Karnataka This is the kind of contribution that > the christians have made to the nation. Please do not underestimate the > role and contribution of christianity to the nation. > > Regards, > > Marshall Mendonza > RESPONSE: Marshall thanks for putting your views about Christian Missionaries in India. If any country which needs most of it is I think our neighbour Pakistan where missionaries have not spread their roots like they did in India. Pakistan badly needs service, preechings of Missionaries looking at present scenario there & it will be nice if MISSIONaries succeed in their MISSION there. They should start there mission looking for tribal areas in Pak. Definitely they will find another Orissa or North-East over there. Also some missionary schools dont allow Hindu girls to put on Bindi(one that is placed on forehead). Your own words go wrong here about freedom of religion. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] what is religion doing in goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 09/01/2008, Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fully second Nelson's view. Let us not entertain any > posts which cast aspersions and makes bogus > accusations (only to grab attention) on any > organization. Let us keep religion to the minimum. > Also let moderators investigate cases of farudsters > regards > > B RESPONSE: Yeah man, like the song and dance about the R.S.S. rescuing 80 Priests. It's like saying that Pit Bull Terriers were bred, to rescue children from the railway tracks ! Get the analogy, or do you need refinement ? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria of Religion
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Cornel, Regarding your question about the existence of God, maybe this would clarify your doubts. Personally, I am convinced without doubt that God does indeed exist. http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html This is a completely objective point of view. Maybe Fr.Ivo would explain the existence of God from the point of view of someone who has dedicated his life in His service. Truth Liberates Nigel Britto
Re: [Goanet] Moderating and Censorship Woes
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Selma Just wondered if this was a shift from agnosticism! Regards Cornel Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lord knows but for the grace of God, it could have been my child on the streets.
Re: [Goanet] Myths regarding missionary social work
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Bandare, The Church believes in a community of love. Faith cannot go without justice and love. From the beginning the Church has contributed to the integral development of humankind. It is a part and parcel of the vocation of the Church. You say: < elsewhere is that christian missionary institutions > are the only bodies involved in humanitarian work or > that they do far more work than the others. > *Statistics confirm this statement. > In fact in calcutta itself, the ramkrishna mission > does 10 times more than the world famous Missionaries > of charities.Unfortunately thanks to the marxist govt > in bengal the Ramkrishna mission was forced to shed > its "hindu" tag. >*All are welcome to work for our poor brethren. Let them emulate our Christian missionaries. You say: > The second misunderstanding is that *ALL* missionary > organizations are doing relief work. This is patently > bogus. Some are purely doing mission work and are busy > "harvesting souls for Christ" It is these kind of > people who are at the root cause of the religious > strife. > *Integral development of weaker sections is a demand of Christian faith. > Therefore, whenever the work is being done, people will sense it and come to enquire about it or follow it. This is "conversion of heart". You say: > The third misunderstanding is that every one who > assaults missionaries is RSS or hindutva activist. The > wadhwa commission instituted to probe the Staines > murder clearly stated that there was no evidence > linking Dara Singh with RSS. yet the oft repeated lie > is that the RSS was involved. *Are you sure? > In fact in Goa itself, there have been at least 3 > instances of vandalism against Believers where The > culprits were not hindu activists but roman catholics > There was at least ne case of intimidation of muslims > where the culprits again were roman catholics. > *So what? > Someone on this forum claimed that the real cause of > criticism is because the tribals and dalits are being > emancipated by "gospel Values" If "gospel values" > have such a wonderful effect and promote so much > equality why was apartheid and racism so rampant in > the US where such "gospel values" hold sway? *I said it. I repeat it. History backs my statement. There is 'racism' even today in Europe. Yet, Gospel has changed the face of the world, in spite of our failures, which have been acknowledge by the Church herself. Regards Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] Theo/Tony - Mombasa Goans.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Cornel may want to thank Theo for the 'one class' crosses he procured for our cemetery, no questions asked about origins in Goa : the deal includes free chants for the souls of folk who kept one to the end, Cornel's dear parents included (he is savvy enough to figure this ). I was connected to your Principal, Ildeafonso and, your teacher Joe Fernandes was my father's nephew. Joe would become the Principal in later years. I do not believe they played a role in the manufacture of mindless haters. Vikrant Pandit is a Poona Brahmin. The family lived in Chembur, a Bombay suburb. One only hears marathi in his seventeen million dollar apartment. eric. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [Goanet] KG-2 Lesson: Learning to Read
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Rajan I have done this reply at speed but please will you help me to discover with some precision, how many migrants have moved into Goa in say the past five years to be deemed excessive, "unacceptable and undesirable." Also, the occupational range (if possible) of the ever so despised migrants? Are the wealthy migrants seeking to invest in Goa also despised, unacceptable and undesirable especially as they inevitably make life pretty hard for local Goans to purchase properties for themselves because of inflated prices? In most countries and across countries, migrants always move in search of jobs. Over 200 million are doing so right now internationally.There is interesting statistical data illustrating the parallels between the availability of work and the numbers attracted to such work. When jobs decline, so is there a reduction of migrants and vice versa. Is this not also true for Goa but allowing for some variance in this general rule because of the pleasant ambiance of Goa? I can say with some certainty that new migrants into the UK (as also in America) have kept the economy buoyant and that the economic surplus generated by them is very considerable as we have in the UK, a large mainly indigenous underclass without appropriate skills and not attracted to work of any kind. Today, this figure is some 2.6 million (out of 24 million potential workers) living on disability benefits with our governments for years recognising the bogus element in this huge figure but seriously failing to deal with it apart from letting more immigrants to do the many available jobs that indigenous people refuse to do. Government and employers also find new immigrants attractive to keep wages down of course. So on this last point, please, will you enlighten me with some hard facts that, there is not some parallel between the UK and Goa on the migrant issue even though there is a safety net of welfare benefits at this end that actually 'permits' some not to work and thus live on benefits for a generation or two? Is it not true that appropriate indigenous labour with the right skills is not available in Goa for a variety of reasons, thus creating a vacuum for migrant labour to fill? I have no axe to grind on this issue but economic and sociological determinants re the direction and intensity of migrant populations do not seem to tally with the picture presented about the migrants in Goa in some of your posts. I merely seek to be enlightened on this seemingly vexatious issue. So, in my ignorance, I simply ask if in the short term, the issue of low skill migrants eking a living in Goa is not resolvable by making proper sanitary and residential provisions available to them instead of perhaps demonising the very people who are definitely helping the economy? Regards Cornel "Rajan P. Parrikar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To Goanet - Frederick Noronha wrote: >* Their large numbers are bad enough, religion be damned (referring to >Muslims, part of the Hindutva propaganda about "Muslim numbers") No, Mr. Noronha, let me slow it down for you. The numbers of migrants are so large right now that their religion is of no consequence. Even if 100% of the migrants were trishul-wielding, Jai Shri Ram-shouting Hindu fundies, their numbers in Goa would still be unacceptable and undesirable.
Re: [Goanet] Salvation of non-Christians
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Fr.Ivo, Thanks for your reply. You quoted Romans 2:14, which says. "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves." Which, to you and me, implies that the conscience is the voice of God. If people were perfect, this would be true. But what about sin? Sin is an infinite offense against God. We, humans cannot atone for our own sins, since we are finite beings. In the Old Testament, people offered animals as sacrifices for the emission of sins. Sin cannot be atoned for without blood being shed. Even in the New Testament, God's plan was put into action when His only Son, Jesus Christ, the pure, spotless lamb, without blemish, had to suffer, die and shed his blood for us! Having a clean conscience will help one lead a good life, but will not atone for sins already committed. There's only one way to atone for sins. Jesus Christ. If all the 'sound' doctrine of other religions is the 'seed of the Gospel', what about the not-so-sound doctrine of the same religions? A corrupted Gospel is no Gospel at all. And, since you brought in the term 'Gospel' here, it would be relevant to note that the central theme of the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) is 'repent and believe (in Jesus Christ)', not merely 'live a good life'. You also said, "Those who do not have explicit knowledge of Jesus will not have explicit faith, but God's activity in them, to which they can positively respond. God's Grace is always there according to his saving plan. God wills salvation of all humankind (cf.1 Tm 2:4)". Well, if it is that simple, what about the Narrow Gate, that Jesus spoke about? Matthew 7:13-14: Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. You mentioned 1 Tim 2:4, which says, ""This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth". Is it God's will that all people be saved? Yes! Of course, I agree, because the Bible says so. But does that mean/imply that all will be saved? Many people believe so. And they say that since it is God's will, it will be accomplished. Hence everyone will be saved. This is a nice, quick and convenient approach, but to me it sounds very simplistic and incomplete because it doesn't take into account all relevant scripture. The Salvation-for-all crusaders quote their way to a foregone conclusion by picking and choosing certain scriptures and combining them to form an implied conclusion. This is where error could creep in. And the view that everyone will be saved, seems to be an erroneous view. Are God's desires always accomplished? No. They're not. God's desire is that people do what is right and not sin. "To do righteousness and justice is desired by the Lord rather than sacrifice," (Prov. 21:3). But people still sin despite God's stated desire. Was it God's desire that Adam and Eve rebel? Nope. What about David committing adultery? It was not God's will. Yet, they did the things God didn't want. God desires that everybody repents (Acts 17:30); but not all do. As we see, God's will is not always done. What God wills and what He permits to happen are two different things. He doesn't want sin to exist, but allows it to, and makes a provision for it in His sovereign plan. It doesn't imply that God is responsible for sin. It implies that He permitted it. Infact He used it for the glory of His purpose. For eg, the people who plotted Jesus' death! It was a conscious attempt to murder. Yet, God permitted it to happen, and used it for His Glory. "For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," (Acts 4:27-28). Didn't they sin in condemning Jesus unjustly? Of course. Didn't Gpd allow it to happen? Yes He did. BUT, did God make them sin? Nope, since God doesn't tempt anyone. (James 1:13). But God, in His greater wisdom and sovereignty predestined them to do what they did. God is in total control of history. It goes where He directs it. Though God doesn't like sin, He allows it to happe
Re: [Goanet] Liberty, equality, crap.... and neo-Emperors ;-)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Radhakrishnan, Reena and Roland, At last subscribers of Goanet are saying what is best described by the Marathi expression that I acronym ATM [in roman script ;-)] "Ati ti'thay Mati" meaning "Excess is disastrous" or literally meaning "Excess turns things to mud". The xenophobia against the POOR migrant labour has gone too far. I wonder what the KKK Dot-buster types thought of "brown" Rajan when he was an NRI in USA before returning and turning a preaching photographer in his native, Goa. Granted, he is a skilled photographer and has an eye for the detail ...and his photos have been used as backgound images by Isabel Santa Rita Vas for he drama on sale of land in Goa but his preaching is without both, practice and prayer. Perhaps, Roland will tell us why it is okay for a Indian [and Goans are Indians!] to be in Toronto and proud suffixing it to the name like a FRCS or an MBE and not okay for an Indian from UP, Karnataka, TN or Kerala to be in Goa, India. It is time each of the "Emperors" from Goa looked at their nakedness in the mirror of Reality instead of looking at their own postings on Goanet and saying to themselves, "What a great guy I am!" Thank you Radhakrishnan, Reena and Roland may be the Emperors will also thank you for opening their eyes. ;-) Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:59:54 +0530 From: "Radhakrishnan Nair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Liberty, equality, crap Very well said, Reena! I don't go thru every post on this list these days as I used to do earlier, but the following post from Roland caught my eye. Then I saw your post appended to it and I said 'bravo'! Someone had to hold the mirror to this rabidly arrogant bigot who takes sadistic pleasure in trashing the poor and unfortunate people who struggle for a square meal. And you've done it with commendable finesse. He's pandering to the xenophobic and hypochondric instincts of non-resident Goans, but what's surprising is that a person of Roland's intellect has fallen for his literal crap. Cheers, RKN On Jan 9, 2008 3:34 AM, Reena Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is, indeed, shocking and very annoying to see Rajan's brand of > arrogance and intolerance on Goanet. They sure caught him young and watched him grow, it > seems;-) > While Goa could do with his talent with the lens, Goanet could certainly > do with a lot less of his rabid nonsense. > Cut it out, pal. Think we've had enough of your crap--and I don't mean the > stuff along the Mandovi or wherever. > Reena Roland wrote: Rajan may be exaggerative with his solutions to the many problems that Goa faces today due to the unbridled population influx of people who are wont to make it a pigsty, and which he brings to the front burner, but he speaks for the common Goan, including myself. I may not agree with all he says, but I do agree with most of it and as for the remainder that I don't agree with, I need to afford him the liberty to say it. Roland-in-Toronto 416-453-3371 -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Freddyberg U, ALsace-Pomerania.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Actually, Eric, quite to the contrary. I've never been to the inside of a university class (unless you count a nonfunctional hospital ward as being a "university", as was the situation in Bambolim in 1985). Instead, I spent time in Berlin, while Eric Honecker [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Honecker] lorded over part of that city and the anarchists and radicals at the Free University influenced the other part. But I was on BudapesterstraBe, in an institution funded thanks to Cold War rivalry, and the director then was a German-American who, I later learnt, was the guy who translated from Amerikannish that Kennedy [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner] phrase that went down in history in June 1963. Do you think Halur has a Czarist link too? Is his beard as unruly? FN PS: I think the Wikipedia is a great saviour to fill in the gaps left behind by a poor education. At least, it works for me. On 10/01/2008, eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FN's Dean at the University was H. Rasho Pooteen, that when not otherwise > preoccupied > with duties at the Holy Wall of Berlin, as KGB executioner-in-chief. It is > believed that > Pute's cut from the sale of the state phone company was a billion dollars. > My spelling of the name reflects the way it is pronounced : it is cetainly > not Pewtin ! > He has installed a puppet named Medvedev to succeed him ; the two Russians I > am acquainted with call him Madvadav. > The H in is name is not the Halur you can find in our Pipermail archives. > eric. -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 Links from Goa: http://goalinks.livejournal.com/
[Goanet] Liberty, equality, crap.... and neo-Emperors ;-)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. As someone who has in the past called fellow posters "wolves who hunt in packs" and that too "under different names" I find Reena martins moral outrage at rajans posts very touching Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [Goanet] Love to hate or Hate to love............
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dr.U.G.Barad, I was shocked to read this post of yours. Regards. Fr.Ivo From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: [Goanet] Love to hate or Hate to love <<
Re: [Goanet] Please wish my father all the best for his hunger strike for road safety in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Samir, I am catching up with my Inbox emails, and saw your email. I am glad your dad has called off his fast after receiving some assurance from the CM, although I would not take a politician's word to the bank. I had the pleasure of meeting your remarkable father at the Goa Sudharop awards a few years ago in Panjim, when interestingly he/MARG received a Goa Sudharop award for traffic awareness issues. Unfortunately, the overall situation in Goa does not allow him to enjoy his golden years, and he like many others his age, are still active to save Goa from those who are determined to destroy it. May his tribe increase. A thousand blessings for all he is doing. Regards, George --- Samir Kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My father Gurunath Kelekar has been on a hunger strike > since today morning asking the Goa govt. for measures > to ensure road safety. Goa has the highest rate of > accident deaths per capita in the country. He has > been running an NGO for road safety for more than the last ten years. > > Please wish him. > > Road Management. > http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=010741 > > http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=6761&cid=26 > Freedom fighter to begin fast over road safety from today. > > You can write to him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > regards, > Samir
[Goanet] Goa and Goans insulted in Calcutta Telegraph editorial
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Philip Thomas wrote: [Cecil Pinto] Cecil, you must be joking, right? Cheers. - Dear Philip, No I was not joking. I find it strange that all the Goans who get their panties in a knot when Goan women are stereotyped as promiscous, and Goan men as drunks, in Bollywoood movies, don't find anything wrong with an editorial that characterises Goans as only, "serving food and drinks to tourists for a living, then getting on their motorcycles and going to their own bars". Now there's nothing wrong with serving drinks to tourists but there's lots more to Goa than just tourism. That is the point the editor seems to have missed. Cheers! Cecil ===
Re: [Goanet] Goa and Goans insulted in Calcutta Telegraph editorial
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Cecil, That was an Editorial comparing two "development" models .. and responses of two CMs in two states [of mind and politics] ... not a definition of a Goan! ;-) If one is decribed as a person who serves ...and then gets served in return ... why think of an International 96 or a Marathi 36? A farmer who grows rice is served the Von-Xit at neighbours party. So what is wrong in being a waiter [or a hotel executive] and enjoying a buffet dinner at a party or being dancer on the river cruises and going to the disco with one's gal or being a bartender and going out for a drink with friends? Fog re kiteak? Mog asundi Miguel On Jan 10, 2008 9:47 PM, Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Philip, No I was not joking. I find it strange that all the Goans don't find anything wrong with an editorial that characterises Goans as only, "serving food and drinks to tourists for a living, then getting on their motorcycles and going to their own bars". Now there's nothing wrong with serving drinks to tourists but there's lots more to Goa than just tourism. That is the point the editor seems to have missed. Cheers! Cecil === > Philip Thomas wrote: > in > The Telegraph - Calcutta on 7th January 2008.>[Cecil Pinto] > > Cecil, you must be joking, right? Cheers. > - > > > > > -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] Test case of journalistic licence?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. In a special year end issue tagged "60 revolutions", INDIA TODAY has a write-up titled "Moutful of Sky" by one Malini Bhupta, probably a journo. This is in contrast to many other similar ones by respected figures in the respective industries. Her article is about "low cost airlines". She begins by the fairly legendary (perhaps mythical) story of how Air Deccan began. For good measure she says Capt Gopinath convinced Delhi babus to "sanction two new airports" in Tier II towns like Hubli (KA) and Vijaywada (AP). She goes on to say "The government also slashed sales tax on ATF from 80% to 4% and abolished landing and parking charges for small aircraft." This may be to justify Air Deccan's claim to be a low cost (not just low fare) carrier. But it seems she may be confusing and mixing up central government with state government. Then she says that till the entry of Air Deccan et al "the industry was stagnating at 8-10 million passengers a year. Today over 71 million Indians fly within India every year". Deccan only enetered in 2003. An eight fold growth in 4 years? That's a whopping nearly 70% compound annual growth rate! Later she says "From 10 million domestic passengers annually till (sic) 2002 to 71 million in 2007. the journey of Indian aviation blah blah blah". This works out to a more modest 48% p.a. But it still seems somewhat inflated. I can go along with the 10 million in 2000 or 2001 but 71 in 2007 seems too high. What takes the cake are her references to Goa. "With low cost carriers flying into Goa, the tourism industry in the state has changed completely. Today there's no such thing as 'off-season' ... Singh [of Spice Jet] says 'Almost all airlines have started flights or increased their services between Goa and other cities..." At last count only about 10 cities (out of 80 in India) are connected to Dabolim, to my knowledge. What is the journo talking about? >From personal experience I can say Spice Jet discontinued its Goa-Bombay-Ahmedabad flight way back in March 2007. And while the Ahmedabad-Bombay-Goa flight remained in operation, the one I travelled on was terminated in Bombay (for technical reasons, though the plane seemed very new) and we had to wait for a few hours for another flight from Bombay to Goa. Other people also confirmed this practice of Spice Jet of pulling Goa flights out, perhaps to consolidate the passenger load on fewer planes. In one recent case a different airline cancelled its Ahmedabad-Goa direct flight at the last minute and one had to re-book on the next day's flight. The moral of the story: Take things from even reputed publishers with a big pinch of salt. Another thing is, India is the undisputed world leader in its "air farce". Airline scheduling has taken on a whole new meaning out here.
Re: [Goanet] manohar might be back
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Francis, Thanks for your kind note. We want Manohar back and cannot take things for granted. Do Keep up your suport and say Hi to Demino when he stops by your place. Viva Goa ! Viva Manohar ! Viva ! Viva ! Best Regards, Dr Carmo D'Cruz Indian Harbour Beach, Florida, USA ___ > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: manohar might be back > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:51:36 + > > > Hi Carmo > Wonder if you remember me i am francis braz a friend of Damien D'Cruz and > you visited my cybercafe at margao during your last trip > > Presently the news is that there is big chance that our Manhoar bab might be > back in power > > so keep your fingers crossed for now > > By the way i had a small opportunity to meet Parikar bab yesterday becoz of > our HRDF institutes problems > > things are gettting busier for him > > Godfather withBlack Power [http://graphics.hotmail.com/emvamp.gif] > > > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. Start > now!
[Goanet] Good Feelings
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Fr.Peter wrote Our political leaders call on citizens to close their eyes, and have good feelings! In the recent past, BJP government has made a startling announcement, "India Shinning". That, which was said to be shinning, was in reality rust, (poverty, illiteracy, corruption, religious intolerance) but they said, "never mind, you feel good!" The "feel good drug" is being sold by all the political parties, and in no way does it alleviate the misery of the masses. It only serves to increase the peddlers' sins of looting from the bounty. Ann Marie writes - It is easy to blame our elected leaders. Please do not blame them. Blame ourselves for electing them. Many priests have also been behind such politicians and are responsible to get them elected. Why can’t we select our own mLA ? Corruption is seen every where even with church leaders, pardon me. Money collected for charity we do not know who is using them. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] Thanks for your personalised response
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Dr.U.G.Barad, Thanks for your nice message. Sorry, I missed it, and therefore, I did not reply. I refrain from passing judgment over the decisions of the Administration. I referred only to the contributors, when I wrote that "I cannot educate the Goanetters. They are thinking for themselves, they are mature enough". I do not know you personally, but can understand from the letter that you are a polite person. You are always welcome to discuss important matters. My phone no. is 08322-733967 Regards. Fr.Ivo - From: Dr. U. G. Barad Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:41 PM Subject: Thanks for you personalised response.. Respected Fr. Ivo, Thanks for responding to my personal e-mail to you. In your e-mail you did not pass any comments on my posting which was rejected by Goanet rather you preferred to say "I cannot educate the Goanetters. They are thinking for themselves, they are mature enough. I propose, do not impose. I learn from others and correct myself. When we give our statements, we see them from a perspective, from an absolute. I think that that is right. I shall change the perspective when I see it to be wrong." Okay Fr. have it your way. But keep reading posts in Goanet, and let me see which message(s) you find wrong to correct or give your valued judgment(s). It's nice to have you in Goanet . frankly Goanet should be happy with you as member. As regards what you made a mansion to me in your first address you mentioned and again repeated in your second personalized message to me i.e. "Let us renew the society through Religion, not by keeping it out". I never said not to do it that way. Instead I had written " Considering all that is going on in Goa, I sincerely appeal each and every one in the net to start with constructive thinking rather than being destructive. Let's use our talent, knowledge and our experience in re-shaping our already destroyed Goa to bring back good sense and civility. Let's keep our religion out in this attempt. Don't forget Goans has to do this NOW or it will be NEVER - beyond anyone's control!" I think you have already realized why I made this mansion(Refer my reply to you with appended message). So, Fr. Ivo, onus lies on you to preach and educate your community members who are trying to destroy the religious fabric prevailing in Goa. And if they think they could achieve anything and everything out of provocation and or instigation and also considering that present government, both at center and state, caters very much to minority, let them go ahead.for, as you rightly said "they consider they are mature enough". Thereafter let us both (me and you) keep watching with our thumb sucking, sitting on the fence, "How Goans are reacting to such provocations / instigations" Fr. Ivo, I don't mind spending discussing on this issue with you 1 to 1 if we could settle for mutually convenient time. Give me your contact details and I will contact you for fixing up the time. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Myths regarding missionary social work
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Chinmay Bhandare, How do you treat Jomo Kenyatta's statement about what the British did to the Kikuyi and Masai tribes of Kenya, a part of what was then called "British East Africa".[Kenya -Uganda-Tanzania] ? Racial? Communal? North-South divide? or a Land Grab? Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:18:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Myths regarding missionary social work To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chinmay Bhandare/Bhandari wrote: > If "gospel values" have such a wonderful effect and promote so much > equality why was apartheid and racism so rampant in > the US where such "gospel values" hold sway? B, Apartheid in S. Africa was not created to keep the races apart. It was created to keep the wealth in the hands of the whites. "Mervyn3.0 "The white man came to Africa, gave us a bible and asked us to close our eyes and pray with him. When we opened our eyes we had the bible and he had the land." - Jomo Kenyatta - -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] Diet for a Hungry Planet: India
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. This week, CBC Radio is running a series on food and Indiathe program is broadcast at 7PM IST on www.cbc.ca (select radio, then Radio One over an internet connection). The program deals with the changing food habits and the possible impact of climate change in a country where 80% of the pop makes a living off agriculture. As well, apparently a trend where prosperous Endians are turning to non-veg..ah, how can anyone resist the Bagdadi tandoori chicken? http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/hungryplanet.html If you missed the program, you can listen to the podcast of the program available off "the Current site". ---
[Goanet] Only in India
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The Upholders of the Law in Bombay city. Stanger things are rare to see. http://www.mid-day.com/news/mumbai/article?_EXT_5_articleId=888050&_EXT_5_groupId=14 -- Roland Francis 416-453-3371
Re: [Goanet] Alternative schooling in India, growing big enough for a book
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Frederick Just a quick point. I think the title "alternative" schooling is perhaps inappropriate/misleading as the work is undertaken in mainstream schools. What you describe would be deemed to be "progressive" schooling as opposed to traditional (mainly rote) learning. In the UK, this transition began in the 1960s and it can be an absolute joy to see happy kids learning in classrooms in schools that would not be recognizable to traditional teachers and parents. However, the need for resources can be considerable and there cannot be 50 to a class as in many Indian primary schools. At most times, the classroom is a workshop for numbers never exceeding 30 and often fewer, with varied activities simultaneously and where transmissive teaching by the teacher is fairly minimal. Above all this approach promotes creativity and originality so essential today. However, it is not all plain sailing. By way of an example, many of the highly educated immigrants to the UK and America, in seeing informal as opposed to formal learning in schools, and because they are so steeped in traditional learning, they sometimes send their kids back to India or wherever for a rigorous "proper" education rather than accept learning through play. Indeed, Selma had articulated this kind of point in a post about a year or so ago on Goanet. Regards Cornel "Frederick [FN] Noron ha * फà¥à¤°à¥à¤¡ रिठन à¥à¤°à¥à¤à¤¯à¤¾" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Recently, Sage-India sent me a review copy of their book 'Alternative Schooling in India'. Needless to say, it's a book I enjoyed immensely. Self-description: "This book brings into focus the innovative methods of learning in many Indian schools. It sheds light on schools that make the learning process fun for the teacher as well as the taught, in contrast to the whirl of examination-oriented learning in mainstream schools."
[Goanet] Hindutva cyber crimes?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Goanetters Only the first para is mine, the rest is added by whoever is interested in a different communal agenda! I consider it as a cyber-crime. I wrote to the christianaggression website where I saw this text, but none cared to reply. I would be glad if Sachin Phadte or his informants could trace the rest attributed to me in any of my writings, instead of uncritically forwarding such material. It could also by considered as complicity in cyber-crime. T.R. de Souza / Teotonio R. de Souza Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:21:05 +0530 From: Sachin Phadte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Details of the Goa Inquisition To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A Hindutvavadi sent this to me. I do not know what is the truth in all this. Sachin Phadte = Details of the Goa Inquisition Dr. T. R. de Souza At least from 1540 onwards, and in the island of Goa before that year, all the Hindu idols had been annihilated or had disappeared, all the temples had been destroyed and their sites and building material was in most cases utilized to erect new Christian Churches and chapels. Various viceregal and Church council decrees banished the Hindu priests from the Portuguese territories; the public practices of Hindu rites including marriage rites, were banned; the state took upon itself the task of bringing up Hindu orphan children; the Hindus were denied certain employments, while the Christians were preferred; it was ensured that the Hindus would not harass those who became Christians, and on the contrary, the Hindus were obliged to assemble periodically in Churches to listen to preaching or to the refutation of their religion." -- http://tinyurl.com/22smnm http://tinyurl.com/2awqhc
