[Goanet] Marina, marina, Marina! Kitlem sobit tum marina?
Dears, Here are three newspaper reports that I found while looking on the Web for the "Special Correspondent" report entitled "Why did Oscar, Patricia and Ritu resign?" in the Herald dated 05 August, 2008. The above cited report is an excellent PR [the other seven following letters go unwritten]job done for the Establishment,obviously not without a little help from its friends in the Task Force, who were trying to pass off Prof. Edgar Ribeiro's formulation discussed on 12 June, 2008, in the Maquinez Palace office of the Task Force as a GBA proposal. The whole reference to Taluka PDAs has been wonderfully glossed over. Absolutely no mention is made that SPATIAL Planning [read Land Use Planning or LUP/SUP] will be TOP-DOWN as it is now, with the TCP Board deciding what you can do with your land and the Billage Panchayats can have the last word . as long as it is "YES!" We will see that on another day. Right now read what the High Court is saying about the proliferation of marinas, casino and mining jetties in the Mandovi river, the slow pace of setting up of the three coastal police zones [Siolim, Marmagoa and Betul] with jurisdiction in CRZ and EEZ "zones" along the entire 110 Km coast in Goa, INCLUDING the beaches, and the river front, and what Dr.Wilfred deSouza, Mathany Saldanha, Snjeev Raiturkar, Ethel Lobo, Adv. Jatin Naik and Paul Fernandes have to say on a common platform. It is reported that the CWC has acknowledged that the GBA has woken up to a bright new dawn with the presentation on Goa TCP [Amendment] Act, 2008. Mog asundi. Miguel Herald Monday 04 August.2008 HERALD CORRESPODENT PANAJI: The high court of Bombay at Goa on Monday directed the government to file an affidavit and inform whether the Coastal Regulation Zone notifications were violated while constructing private jetties in the state. The court passed the order on a petition filed by Gopal Atmaram Parab challenging the construction of private jetties. During the hearing, it was brought to the notice of the court by the respondents that there are 55 such private jetties in the state. Subsequently, the court has asked the government to check this claim. The government has to verify whether the private jetties have permission from the Goa Coastal Zone Management Authority. NAVHIND TIMES: Coastal police slow on setting up force by GLENN COSTA Senior Reporter PANAJI — The state authorities seem to be moving at a snail’s pace on setting up a force to defend its 105-km coastline though terror groups are targeting the country with increasing regularity and Goa being one of the likely targets. It must be noted here that the Centre has approved an outlay of Rs 1,653.50 lakh under Coastal Security Scheme for the period from 2005-06 to 2009-10. Further, it has already released funds under Coastal Security Scheme during 2005-06 to a tune of Rs 37.05 lakh, according to the Ministry of Home Affairs. But the present number of coastal police stations is three with the stations at Siolim, Betul and Marmagao harbour and the first two functioning out of former police outposts and the total manpower being three officers, 17 head constables and 79 police constables. A proper Siolim police station is still under construction. The force also has all of four motorised canoes, one each being stationed at Siolim, Betul, Panaji and Agacaim. “The process to modernise and enhance the force is on,” defended the superintendent of police, Mr Om Prakash Kutchadkar informing that the Centre has sanctioned 9 new boats. Sources said that the order has already been given for their construction.Mr Kutchadkar also argued, “This is a dual jurisdiction and it is our responsibility along with the Coast Guard,” but admitted that the Coast Guard concentrates more on the high seas due to the increase in the size of the country’s economic zone. When asked if the drug trade for which Goa has become infamous helps terrorism, the SP said that till now no such link had been found but asked the public to be alert and to report any such incidents to the police. The initiative is part of the central Coastal Security Scheme for reinforcing infrastructure in coastal areas which will be used for patrolling and surveillance in nine states and four union territories. The scheme was approved in January 2005 for implementation in 5 years from the year 2005-06 with an approved outlay of Rs 400 crore for non-recurring expenditure. The areas covered under the scheme are Gujarat, Maharashtra, Goa, Karnataka, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, West Bengal, Puducherry, Lakshadweep, Daman and Diu and Andaman and Nicobar Islands. The first installment (50 per cent) of the funds for construction of buildings has been sanctioned wherein the State Police Housing Corporations are executing the project in the states except in Goa where the PWD is the executing agency. A lumpsum assistance of Rs 10 lakh per police station
[Goanet] FW: Distressing developments in GBA
_ From: Averthan D'Souza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Distressing developments in GBA Dear Editor, It is truly distressing and unfortunate for Goa that the personal ambitions and uninformed dogmatism of some individuals has led to the present dissension within the Goa Bachao Abhiyan, and the resignation of its Convenor Dr. Oscar Rebello. This bodes ill for the future of Goa, which was beginning to assert the right of the common citizen to be consulted by the Government before any major project was approved. The spirit of the GBA was consistent with the requirements of the 73rd. and 74th. amendments to the Constitution of India. The GBA was unique in consolidating the common aspirations of the people in respect of the utilization of the State's physical, economic and social resources. Not withstanding the opposition of some individuals to the GBA being a part of the Chief Minister's Task Force for preparing the process for the Regional Plan for Goa 2021, it was a great advantage that the GBA was represented in the Task Force. The GBA should have taken advantage of this opportunity to influence the thinking of the Task Force. With the resignation of Dr. Oscar Rebello and his two substitutes on the Task Force, the GBA has lost this opportunity. On the one hand, we have been demanding the right to be consulted in the planning process; but on the other hand, the egoistic attitude of a few individuals has discredited the GBA both in the eyes of the Government as well as in the eyes of the common citizens. They will have to bear a heavy burden of responsibility for their selfishness and short-sightedness. Dr. Oscar Rebello is quite right that the GBA should offer clear and indisputable alternatives to the Government in the thinking of the Task Force. If individuals cannot provide such alternatives (in writing), they should at least refrain from dragging the GBA into a state of incoherence. For all his limitations, Dr. Oscar Rebello represented the wider consensus of the citizens. By the vicious attacks against him on the internet (as reported in the Press) and by making his position as Convenor uncomfortable, these individuals have compromised the future of Goa. To state publicly that individuals come and go, but that the GBA should carry on, is both crass and intolerable. People who make such statements reveal the dark side of their twisted personalities. Dr. Oscar Rebello has quite obviously been made a scapegoat by these selfish elements. His departure will be a great loss to the movement. The real issue before us is not the personal contribution of Dr. Rebello, but the devious and insidious manipulations by a few individuals who think that they can do better. It is truly a very regrettable development in the 'people's movement' of Goa. Yours truly, Averthanus L. D'Souza, D-13, La Marvel Colony, Dona Paula, Goa 403 004. Tel: 2453628.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and'PursuingPeople's Dreams
Dear Sam, Thank you. What you have said is most appreciated and will be treasured. You din't know floriano enough. Now you know him by half. The other half? In good time. Best floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and'PursuingPeople's Dreams Floriano writes: Dear Venantius, I know my weaknesses. And most of all I know I am not infallible. When I make a genueine mistake, I like to apologize for it in the understanding that the same mistake will not be repeated. Floriano I appreciate your post, and your magnanimity of heart in apologizing publicly. I know it is not easy, in fact, very painful to admit that one has wronged. But that alone will make you learn or else one will go like an idiot running around in circles, and living in a fool's paradise. Hats off to you! I think it is this trait that is essential in the end in our public life. You might be the greatest espouser of any cause, but if you dont want to be accountable to anyone but just yourself, you are zilch. Those who have worked in teams world over in their professional life or in other endeavours know this dictum well. And this in the end is going to be an essence of whether we produce "Hitlers" or whether we produce democrats. Thanks again for your post. regards, Samir
[Goanet] The 40 chors have done it again!
Hi All Please go through the presentation on TCP act amendments on the savegoa.com site. Here is the link. http://savegoa.com/Downloads/Horrors%20of%20amendment%2016&16A.pdf These amendments are basically worse than RP 2011. It gives govt complete exemption from everything. Basically all kinds of houses, tourist resorts can be built as long as there is a fig leaf of some project for namesake such as IT park, or food park or Football academy. This needs to be stopped immediately. regards, Samir
[Goanet] Daily Grook #178
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[Goanet] GMC gets two state-of-the-art laboratory machinery
GMC gets two state-of-the-art laboratory machinery PANAJI: Two state-of-the-art laboratory machinery have been installed at the Goa Medical College and hospital (GMC) in Bambolim. The Minister for Health Mr Vishwajeet Rane commissioned the Rs 1.5 crore machinery at the hospital. The instruments from Abbott Healthcare System to be operated by the pathology department of GMC are fully computerised and automated for quick and accurate results, an official release issued here stated. The diagnostic tests which include cardiac profile, lipid profile, fertility makers and other related tests are conducted with the help of integrated Abbott system. This modern equipment would help to get faster diagnostic tests and treatment to the needy patients, Mr Rane said. The Government is endeavoring to provide better healthcare facilities to the people in the state. Necessary staff will be recruited in GMC and hospital to cater to the needs of patients, Mr Rane added. - PTI http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blnus/27051320.htm ~(^^)~ Avelino
[Goanet] Fw: Emailing: Goaday (1)
Dear Members and Friends, The executive committee of the GWS will be celebrating the World Goa Day on Sunday 31st August 2008. Venue : Goan Institute, Nairobi Mass: 11.00am followed by Lunch. at the GI charges : To be announces later PLEASE MARK THIS IMPORTANT DATE IN YOUR DIARY! The organizing committee make this humble appeal to friends and members to kindly make donations towards this function in Kind or cash. We will try to keep our charges as low as possible to enable families and every one to attend , hence the need to subsidise the function. We shall be having a Tinto with home produce and Goan goodies for sale and we welcome any products donated for us to sell. ( cakes, Goan sweets, pickles, masalas , canned products etc) We also have a raffle on sale and we request for prizes towards this- wines, spirits, meal vouchers, air tickets, hotel vouchers etc or cash donatons. If you have anything you would like to contribute contact the following below to collect or leave at the Goan Gym or Goan Institute labelled for GWS: Name OfficeMobile John Fernandes 0722 217 215 Tony D'Costa 0722-204 815 Lynette Pereira0733 899 611 Christo D'Sa0722 203 454 Joyce Shamshudin4451295 0733-616947 Colin Carneiro 0722 736 410 Lilly-Anne Fernandes 0722 756 687 Loraine Miranda Sincerely GWS Secretary -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
[Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and "Pursuing People's Dreams"
Dear Dr.Barad, I am reverting to the original "subject line", a rule that Goanet-Admin has graciously permitted you to break. Thank you Dr. U.G. Barad for stating that you contributed Rs.50/- for the grand Citizens' Initaitive debate on Goa University. that was almost 10% of the total contribution of Rs.510/- announced by Floriano Lobo. The next time someone pesters him to organise an event, I have suggested that he ask for at least Rs.2,000/- in advance ... unutilized balance returnable if the Audience contributes substatially to covber the costs. Did Srinivas Kamat contribute anything at all? I will let Floriano answer that. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:43:43 +0530 From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Citizens Initiative organized debate. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (This is in reply to Message No: 3, dated Monday, 4 August2008 ) Dear Mr. MIGuel Braganza, Your question to me was - How much I contributed to the debate in CASH - and that Mr. Floriano Lobo did not answer this question for you, Other than contributing Rs. 50 (Rs 10 x 5 notes) in the box kept at the entrance of the hall I did not contribute anything more or anything less. Oh yes, I forgot to inform, Mr. Godfrey Gonsalves did sponsor Nescafe to me much before start of debate and that he travelled with me in my car back to Margao after the debate. Regarding other issues that you have raised in your message please obtain clarifications from Mr. Floriano. Hope you got the clarification on CASH contributed by me for the debate. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad Message: 3 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 04:10:29 +0530 (IST) From: Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People's Dreams" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Dr. Barad, Please do tell us how much you contributed to the debate in CASH. Your oral contribution at the debate, I have heard in person. Mog asundi. Miguel Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups
[Goanet] Narvekar resigns as minister
Breaking News: Narvekar has resigned finally as a minister clearing the decks for Babush Monseratte. (Digital Goa News). regards, Samir
[Goanet] I will be in Mumbai and Pune between August 11 to 13 for the project "The Right Move II-Career in Sports"
Dear Goaneters, Our project is taking shape. On January 24, 25, 26 we are going to organise a. Childrens Chess Festival (1000 primary school children from all over India will participate) We are planning to give prize money in the form of scolorships in eight different categoris. b. Exibition of Sport related equipment c. Film Festival on Sports. (There could be compitiotion of documentaries on indiginious games) d. Release of our book "The Right Move II" this book include Whos who in sports in Goa. We are working to gather informations of goan who have learned sufficient level of skills in his dicipline. Write ups on Self employment opportunities in Sport. This book will give boost to local sport talent. I want help form goan based in Mumbai/Pune for to get a intro with sports equipment manufacturer. Short Film producers and other related In Mumbai I will be at Dombiwali, Thane and Andheri In Pune I will be at my brothers place at Kothrud. Shrikant Vinayak Barve Convener: The Right Move II-Career in Sports 9403175973 Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
Re: [Goanet] Narvekar resigns as minister
Hi Samir Now the fun really begins, Hope it is more entertaining then the olympics, regards Ayres deSouza On 8/5/08, Samir Kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Breaking News: Narvekar has resigned finally as a minister clearing the > decks for Babush Monseratte. (Digital Goa News). > > regards, > > Samir > > > > > -- Ayres deSouza
[Goanet] Goenkars, For you an opportunity to buy!
I made a big error in my email yesterday on House prices being down just 20 percent. I have received an email and hope some Goenkar can benefit:- One bedroom £134,995 reduced from £190,000; two bedrooms £148,995 reduced from £240,000. On that basis a flat bought in the same location, for £325,000 would now sell for just over £200,000. Good if you are now a buyer, ouch if you already purchased. If anyone wants the attachment for details, please email me, or contact the vendors directly. Call now on 020 7620 1500 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.galliardhomes.com Or you can move right opposite me; if you have the dosh:- http://www.johndwood.co.uk/site/search/#/list/?q=SW20&st=0&pt=buy&t=all -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] When Baga was 'bridge-less'
Thanks Cecil, who would have thought of that? Roland. > Dear Roland, > > The activity you observed of the male rubbing himself on 'the behind' > of the female was not necessarily an act of foreplay but could be a > sexual act in itself. This is referred to as frottage.
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Patollio or Patoyo
Talking Photos: Patollio or Patoyo Today, 5th Aug. is Patoyo day in Velsao. Some friends of mine from Velsao came to us with freshly made hot hot patoyo or patollio and also 'Fole' see pics Where as at Cansaulim (which is on 6th Aug. I thinK) it is popularly known as 'Choramchi Neidade' Each Church/village has it own date for neidade or patoyo. But Cansaulim is well known all over Goa as 'Choramchi Neidade' Those days, even now (i think) Cansalkars used to steal 'Konnsam' from nearby fields. They used to cut it and make 2/3 large bunches and then put it in ground (in 2/3 holes) as if pady grown there - This place is traditional place, usually close to the church. Next morning the Church priest would come here, bless it and then cut with sickle. Every one used to take home one blessed 'Konnos' each and then put it on display on the wall (Entrance hall), usually on top of wall calendars etc. What they did with that Konnos, I don't know. For that matter, once could even find 'Rama Chutti' from the Palm Sunday and a candle from Feb. 2 fiest OL of Candelaria (Kandiechi Saibinn). Neidade is also konw as 'novem' (new) in some places. I think Neidade = Novidade I have a cousin whose name is also Neidade (Netty or Natividade) Ok, check this out fresh pics Patoyo http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2734587489/sizes/l/ Fole (one left unwrapped) usually made of Jackfruit's leaves http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2735420578/sizes/l/ Prev. Fole http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/2380467345/sizes/l/ patolio http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/210225708/sizes/o/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
Re: [Goanet] PIO or OCI - which is better?
Hi Cesar, Hope the following brief I picked from the Indian high Comission in New Zealand (Wellington), will help in answering some of your questions raised. I have also attached a copy of the visa that is pasted on the NewZealand passport. This visa allows to to enter India for an indefinite period and one does not have to apply for an Indian visa everytime one travels to the homeland. Kind regards Ivo Highlights of the Scheme The Constitution of India does not allow holding Indian citizenship and citizenship of a foreign country simultaneously. Based on the recommendation of the High Level committee on Indian Diaspora, the Government of India decided to grant Overseas Citizenship of India (OCI) commonly known as 'Dual Citizenship'. Persons of Indian Origin (PIOs) of certain category as has been specified in the Brochure who migrated from India and acquired citizenship of a foreign country other than Pakistan and Bangladesh, are eligible for grant of OCI as long as their home countries allow dual citizenship in some form or the other under their local laws. 2. Persons registered as OCI have not been given any voting rights, election to Lok Sabha/Rajya Sabha/Legislative Assembly/Council, holding Constitutional posts such as President, Vice President, Judge of Supreme Court/High Court etc. Registered OCIs shall be entitled to following benefits: (i) Multiple entry, multi-purpose life long visa to visit India; (ii) Exemption from reporting to Police authorities for any length of stay in India; and (iii) Parity with NRIs in financial, economic and educational fields, except in the acquisition of agricultural or plantation properties. 3. Any further benefits to OCIs will be notified by the Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs (MOIA) under section 7B(1) of the Citizenship Act, 1955. 4. A person registered as OCI is eligible to apply for grant of Indian citizenship under section 5(1)(g) of the Citizenship Act, 1955 if he/she is registered as OCI for five years and has been residing in India for one year out of the five years before making the application. BROCHURE ON OVERSEAS CITIZENSHIP OF INDIA (OCI) 1. Eligibility criteria: A foreign national, who was eligible to become citizen of India on 26.01.1950 or was a citizen of India on or at anytime after 26.01.1950 or belonged to a territory that became part of India after 15.08.1947 and his/her children and grand children, provided his/her country of citizenship allows dual citizenship in some form or other under the local laws, is eligible for registration as Overseas Citizen of India (OCI). Minor children of such person are also eligible for OCI. However, if the applicant had ever been a citizen of Pakistan or Bangladesh, he/she will not be eligible for OCI. 2. Application form and procedure: A family consisting of spouses and up to two minor children can apply in the same Form i.e. Form XIX. The form can be downloaded from the link http://www.indianembassy.org/newsite/oci.asp. The following documents shall be enclosed with each application: 1. Three additional stamp size photographs. 2. Proof of citizenship of applicant (s) 3. Evidence of self or parents or grand parents (a) being eligible to become a citizen of India at the time of commencement of the Constitution; or (b) belonging to a territory that became part of India after 15th August, 1947; or (c) being citizen of India on or after 26th January, 1950 these are:- (i) Copy of the passport (or) (ii) Copy of the domicile certificate issued by the Competent authority (or) (iii) Any other proof (or) (iv) Affidavit 4. Evidence of relationship as parent/grand parent, if their Indian origin is claimed as basis for grant of OCI. 5. Proof of fee payment US $ 275 for each applicant or equivalent in local currency (US $ 25 or equivalent in local currency for each PIO card holder). The fee has to be paid in the form of cash/Money Order at the counter or Cashier's cheque by mail. 6. PIO card holders must also submit a copy of their PIO card. The application form completed in all respects along with enclosures should be submitted in duplicate to the Indian Mission/Post of the country of applicant's citizenship or where he/she is not in the country of citizenship to the Indian mission/post of the country in which he/she is ordinarily resident. If the applicant is in India, he/she can apply to the Foreigners Regional Registration Officer (FRRO) at Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata or Amritsar or Chief Immigration Officer (CHIO) Chennai or to the Under Secretary, Citizenship Section, Foreigners Division, Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA), Jaisalmer House, 26 Mansingh Road, New Delhi-110011. 3. Procedure for granting registration: After preliminary scrutiny, if there is no adverse information available against the applicant, the Indian Mission/Post shall register a person as OCI within 15 days of application and the case shall be referred to the Ministry of Home
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 967
Regarding Cecil Pinto's take on the greatest Goan( below), perhaps Dharmanand D. Kosambi, an eminent Buddhist scholar and father of Damodar D. Kosambi, was even greater than the the son and has been mostly forgotten by India and Goa, or confused with the son! Please see further down Luis S. R. Vas> Message: 3> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:57:59 +0530> From: "Cecil Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: [Goanet] Greatest Goan ever> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID:> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > My personal favourite for the title of Greatest Goan ever would be> Abbe Faria with D. D. Kossambi coming a close second. Was just> wondering which other Goans would really be serious contendors for the> title. Can the Admin Team ask for nominations and have a poll?> > Cheers!> > Cecil> ==> > Two Far Travelled Minds By Luis S. R. Vas On July 31, 2008, India concluded the birth centenary celebrations of Damodar D. Kosambi, a Goan polymath who ranged from mathematics to genetics to numismatics to history and archeology, making a significant contribution to each. In Goa, where Kosambi was born, the Vice-President of India Hamid Ansari inaugurated a ‘festival of ideas’ in his honour, which featured speakers like sociologist Meera Kosambi (Damodar’s daughter), historian Romilla Thapar, rural journalist P. Sainath and labour activist Vivek Monteiro, all of whom were greatly influenced by Kosambi. The celebrations also highlighted the role of Kosambi’s father Dharmanand, a Buddhist scholar of Sanskrit and Pali, who greatly contributed to his achievements: he provided the son with a Harvard education (although he could not himself afford to study beyond Std.V in Marathi), he introduced him to Marxist literature and demonstrated that Sanskrit and Pali scripture reflected divergent social values. Dharmanand Kosambi was the son of Damodar Shenoy from Sancoale, a village near Mormugaon. He hoped that Dharmanand would study Portuguese and become an escrivão da comunidade ( government scribe ) which was at that time a well paid job. But he was unable to master the language and in any case after reading school boys’ book on Buddha he was determined to study Buddhism in depth. But he was relegated to the position of a glorified padekar (coconut plucker ) in his own father’s coconut plantation. At the age of 16 he was given in marriage to a daughter of the Laud family of Chikali, a marriage he did not approve of in principle, but he had no say in the matter. Soon after Dharmanand’s first child, a daughter, was born, his father died and Dharmanand decided to leave his family for a while to study Buddhism. Dharmanand travelled to Pune to seek the advice of the great Sanskrit scholar Dr. R. G. Bhandarkar on the best way to study Buddhism. But Bhandarkar tried to persuade him that Buddhism was dead in India and not worth studying. Instead, he urged him to study Sanskrit and join his Prarthana Samaj, a movement of reformed Hinduism which he had launched. Dharmanand studied Sanskrit in Pune but did not give up his goal. When he thought he had studied enough Sanskrit he walked all the way to Varanasi begging alms on the way like a true Buddhist monk but was disappointed to find no reputed teachers of Buddhism and was instead directed to Nepal, to where he trekked accompanied by some Nepali Gurkhas. But in Nepal he found a distorted form of Buddhism. He was advised that to find the pristine form of Buddhism he was after he would have to go to Sri Lanka which he proceeded to do. He was admitted to Vidyodaya University there where he studied for three years and was ordained a Buddhist monk in 1902. Here he studied Pali and Sinhalise translating texts from the former into the latter. Here he changed his surname from Shenoy to Kosambi. Apparently, they are the only Kosambis in Goa, India or the world. From there he went to Burma and undertook a comparative study of Buddhist texts in the Burmese language. After spending seven years abroad and in Calcutta where he taught Pali, Dharmanand felt homesick and returned to his family in Goa during the Durga Puja holidays in October 1906. When he went back to Calcutta, he did so with his wife. His son Damodar was born on July 31, 1907. Dharmanand was hired by the Maharaja of Baroda to write one book a year for him, provided he lived within the then Bombay Presidency, whereupon he shifted to Mumbai where he met Dr. James Wood from Harvard University who invited him to Harvard to help edit and translate the Buddhist text Visudalhi Marg into English. He took his son to Harvard where they roomed together and the son was enrolled in the local school. Dharmanand had four extended stints at Harvard where Damodar also studied, earning a Summa Cum Laude degree in Mathematics. Dharmanand learnt Russian at Harvard and used it to teach Pali at Leningrad University in the th
Re: [Goanet] goans should stop selling property - 2
Hey I have a house for sale at Mungul, Margao ANY GOAN TAKER'S, priority to Goans, Kindly contact, Ayres deSouza +91-9890202022 On 1 Aug 2008 05:08:40 -, jane gillian rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear goanetters, > > Any goan residing in goa, will be unhappy with goans selling off their > property, as this leads to more poverty-stricken goans and also poses a > security risk for Goa. > > Let us listen to concerned goans like Mervyn and others. > > Our ancestral homes are places of history, where neighbours will tell you > about the habits and personalities of your foreparents. These are places > where our ancestors, got married, raised children, spent time chatting with > the wife and maybe the mistress, played with their children, and worked hard, > to give us a better life, etc. What do some goans do with this wonderful > inheritance? They just sell it, instead of GIFTING IT TO THEIR CHILDREN . > Very sad > Regards, > > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:28:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home > > > Mario Goveia wrote: > > > > Regarding what people who sell their properties do > > with the money, how is this anyone else's business? > > It's their money to do with as they wish. > > > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:55:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > No. It is not their money to do as they wish. > > > Mario asks: > > > It isn't? The last time I checked, India was still a > democracy where the citizens have individual rights > including the right to own and sell property without > consulting anyone on Goanet:-)) > > > So, once someone in Goa sells their property, who > exactly tells tham what to do with their money? > > > Mervyn wrote: > > > There ARE responsibilities that come with the sale of > a home: > 1) Taxes to be paid. > 2) Investing responsibly so that the home seller can > live comfortably for the rest of his days.? > 3) Finding a better or?similar environment for?the > family. > > > > -- Ayres deSouza
[Goanet] BBC E-mail: Human malaria jab tests nearing
RUBY GOES saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you should see it. ** Message ** Is malaria under control in GOA? rubygoes ** Human malaria jab tests nearing ** Successful animal experiments have given the green light for trials of a new type of malaria vaccine in humans. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/health/7540838.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm
[Goanet] BBC E-mail: Shunned Starbucks in Aussie exit
rubygoes saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you should see it. ** Message ** For the information of GOANS in the U.S., BIG COFFEE DRINKERS I HEAR. Thank you and good evening Goanetters. rubygoes ** Shunned Starbucks in Aussie exit ** Starbucks is closing three in four of its coffee shops in Australia after failing to satisfy the country's choosy customers. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/business/7540480.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm
[Goanet] Babush is back in the cabinet. Politics is the art of the possible.
Dears, Babush Monserrate is back in the Congress-led Government on his own terms. After swearing in was over, he is reported to have said, "My stand on the IT Habitat wont change. There is no question of joining Congress." So we now have an unattached member elected on UGDP ticket in the Government. If anyone had doubts about the sincerity of the Digamber Kamat-led Government of Goa, they must be dispelled. If Arvind Bhatikar can still call Atanasio Monserrate as "Taliban de Taligao" that would be courageous. In the meanwhile, some of the policemen who damaged Babush Monserrate's house on 19 February, 2008 night may well be put on duty to guard it. Many a person will find his words coming back to haunt him starting tonight. Adv. Dayanand Narvekar detractor will rejoice. However, I dare say he was a better man than many who are left behind in the cabinet. If the Finance, IT, Law and Judiciary Minister in a year old Government had to make way for Babush Monserrate the message is clear, no one is forever. The CM has said he will retain the Finance Ministry. I can imagine the fate of many if Babush is given the portfolio of Law and Judiciary. In any case there are bound to be some re-alignments now. Like it or lump it . hats off to Babush. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:07:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Samir Kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Narvekar resigns as minister :Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Breaking News: Narvekar has resigned finally as a minister clearing the decks for Babush Monseratte. (Digital Goa News). regards, Samir Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
[Goanet] Greatest Goan ever
Cecil Pinto wrote: My personal favourite for the title of Greatest Goan ever would be Abbe Faria with D. D. Kossambi coming a close second. Was just wondering which other Goans would really be serious contendors for the title. Can the Admin Team ask for nominations and have a poll. Comment: It is a very difficult proposition as each one's contribution cannot be compared. Some of them like Dr Jack Sequeira were a product of their times.Abbe faria and D D Kosambi achieved their greatness outside Goa on hypnotism and research. Angelo da Fonseca was an artist extraordinary who painted Christ in Indian themes much before Vatican II.Cardinal Gracias was the tallest goan in the Church who commanded enormous respect the world over and in the Indian government.Suman Moolgaokar was instrumental in making Telco what it is today.Manohar Sardesai carved his name as a poet. My view is not to rate them but to respect each of their contributions and hold them as role models for our youth to emulate. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Protecting the interests of Goenkars
Protecting the interests of Goenkars By Mr. Plastino D'Costa When Bear Stearns, the fifth largest US investment bank was being run on by its creditors resulting in bringing the 85 year old company on its knees, the duo comprising of Chairman of the US Federal Reserve Mr. Ben Bernanke, along with the US Treasury Secretary, Mr. Mark Paulson came out with a package to bail out the bank, what is now famously known as the Paulson Plan. Overnight they trashed out a plan, by which the Federal Reserve would lend US tax payer money to Bear Stearns competitor, JP Morgan Chase and allow it to buy Bear Stearns, for a fraction of the value. Last checked the same duo was busy convincing US lawmakers to pour some more US taxpayer money to bail out Fannie May and Freddie Mac the beleaguered U.S. mortgage-finance companies. With so much financial socialism being done by the US this time, one may argue that the American style capitalism has got it confused this time. However, the trend is clear, the US Government is setting a precedent that it will bail out every institution affected in the US sub prime crisis in order to protect the economy of their country. Closer home, late last year our own duo of Indian Finance Minster along with the RBI Governor, in order to tame inflation, has been regularly intervening in the rupee exchange rate by artificially encouraging a stronger rupee by selling US dollars, so as to discourage exports in order to tame inflation. However, in the recent bout of inflation the same duo having realized that tweaking the rupee every time and ignoring fiscal deficit might not be the correct way to tame inflation, so the focus this time has been aggressively raising interest rates, increasing CRR so that they suck out money from the economy in the hope that they will subdue demand. Every Government wants to work for the people of the land, even if it means changing the rules and taking on the forces of Globalization, free markets etc. However, when it comes to protecting Goans, the government of Goa is always found wanting to make a strong case. If at all they decide something in the interests of the people, it is only a result of a reactive compromise solution only after the people have revolted. Even while making the case, Goan leaders usually get cornered by the Central leaders, then everybody starts referring to the rule book that says that Goa is a free place and nobody can be stopped from settling here. Yes it is true! Technically we cannot stop legitimate people from settling in Goa. Then how cum the US or for that matter our own Central Government, go about their regulations, if it is in the interest of their own people. The rule book says US Government is a capitalist country and is not supposed to spend tax payer money in saving private investment banks like Bear Stearns. The rule book also says subsidies should be phased out fast and market forces should decide prices and yet in order to be competitive the US is yet to eliminate farm and energy subsidies. Back home, the Indian rupee is partially convertible, that probably explains the RBI intervention, but the Indian Government is not supposed to interfere in free trade by banning exports of food commodities to other countries in the name of food security. However, in the broader interests of the people the government does just that, even if it means taking on the forces of powerful countries crying foul. If the Government of USA or our own Central Government takes action in the broader interests of its economy and its citizens, this action should itself tell something to the Government of Goa. The idea of protecting the local population in this era of globalization might sound an obsolete idea and yet most governments do just that. One classic example of Government which chose to ignore the local population is Bombay, and today we can all see why the locals of Bombay have not progressed among other communities in Bombay. Agreed some communities lived in Bombay even before Mahrashtra was merged with Bombay, but can anyone explain why the locals of Bombay inspite of living in the City That Never Sleeps are always caught napping and letting opportunities pass them by. Why do the locals of Bombay always have to fight for their place in the sun? Why do they hardly exist as members of the Bombay Stock Exchange, or for that matter the more popular Bollywood. Over time their leaders have failed them. Instead of preparing them to meet competition from other communities head on, most of their leaders protected them with short term measures by reservations of jobs. Instead of focusing on good education, which by the way was available in plenty in Bombay, they were misled that job opportunity is their right and they shall have it without education, even if it meant burdening the company that hires them. Do we see something co
[Goanet] Monserrate in - Narvenkar out
http://goaunltd.com/ Breaking: Desperate Cong inducts tainted MLA Monserrate to save govt. 5 August 2008 27 By Sujay Gupta Move could backfire, as many Cong MLA's openly revolt against Chief Minister Digambar Kamat Panjim: Goa's politics has reached another new low, if that was possible. Babush Monserrate, charged with attempt to murder and arson, when he and his goons attacked the Panjim police station, ransacked it and injured 32 policemen, has been sworn in as a minister in the Goa government, in a desperate and shameful bid by the Congress high command, to protect the Digambar Kamat government in Goa. The swearing ceremony was attended among others by the top brass of the police and administration, who are also privately enraged and shocked by this development. Imagine the predicament of Director General of Police, who told reporters after the incident on February 19, "This is for the first time in my 40 years of career that I've seen a mob attack the police station. What's the difference between this and a Naxal attack if the police is targeted?". Despite discussions, they insisted that the PI be transferred immediately. Then the MLA, along with his goons, attacked our station, including the female staff." In fact Monserrate, when asked after the swearing in ceremony, whether he regretted the incident, remarked, "I do not regret that incident. I do not regret any incident." But Monserrate's induction has come at a price. The Congress was forced to extract the resignation of Law and Finance Minister Dayanand Narvekar, one of the seniormost ministers, in order to accommodate Monserrate, since there is a cap on the total number of ministers that Goa can have. Narvekar was asked to step down after he was formally charged with fraud in the ticket gate scam during the India-Australia one day international match in Goa. The security personnel turned around 15,000 spectators who had valid tickets away from the gates from the 30,000 capacity stadium, which was already full to its capacity, because of the sale of fake tickets. Narvekar was the head of the Goa Cricket Association when the ticket-gate scandal happened. However, these reasons are merely political excuses for a much larger game with its medley of characters. Nothing new in Goa's ever-running political circus. Monserrate, widely known for bringing down governments and forming them, almost brought down the Digambar Kamat government six months ago and supported his bete noire Manohar Parrikar, only to retreat tactically and support Kamat again, when the toppling bid failed. Far from being declared an untouchable, the Congress actually welcomed him back in its fold and promised him a cabinet berth. That promise, unfulfilled so far, has finally been honoured, but out of sheer desperation. Goa Unltd. has learnt that for the past three weeks, there have been hectic behind-the-scenes parleys to topple the Kamat government. This exercise has been led by Health Minister Vishwajeet Rane, the son of former Chief Minister and the present speaker of the Goa assembly Vishwajeet Rane. Babush Monserrate was present in most of the parleys. There were at least two specific ones at Vishwajeet Ranes residence at Miramar and at a popular Goan restaurant "Mums Kitchen". Members of the NCP, the MGP, current allies of the government were present in these meetings where it was openly decided to ask for a leadership change and bring back Pratap Singh Rane, or failing which, topple the government and try for an alternate government. Junior Rane, in fact, rushed to Delhi, a day after the meeting at Mums Kitchen to lobby with the High command to replace Digambar Kamt with his father as Chief Minister. This move hasn't yet paid off. Importantly, the restaurant meeting was attended even by three congress MLA's including Pandurang Madkaikar, who was recently dropped from the cabinet. Madkailkar told Goa Unltd., "Most of us want a leadership change. I went and clearly told the Chief Minister that I won't support him since he dropped me from the cabinet. If there is a leadership change, this government will continue. If not, who knows…" In fact, Madkaikar along with two other Congress MLAs Victoria Fernandes and Shyam Satardekar are the three soft targets for the opposition, who expect them to resign from the party, in the event of a major toppling bid. This is, therefore, going to be Kamat's biggest challenge. The threat from the NCP and the MGP aside, his own MLAs have raised banner of revolt. A very senior MLA and a former power minister from South Goa told Goa Unltd., "I too went to the Chief Minister and told him very clearly that he wasn't performing and had lost the confidence of most MLAs. Even though I do not support Pratap Singh Rane, there is no option but to bring him back." Kamat's only hope is the Congress High Command which has so far stood by him and is not keen to get Rane back since it would send wrong signals. In fact the AICC General Secretary in
Re: [Goanet] Greatest Goan ever
2008/8/5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Cecil Pinto wrote: > My personal favourite for the title of Greatest Goan ever would be > Abbe Faria with D. D. Kossambi coming a close second. Was just > wondering which other Goans would really be serious contendors for the > title. Can the Admin Team ask for nominations and have a poll. RESPONSE: Dr. Francis Luis Gomes -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] [Goa_IT_parks] Narvekar resigns as minister
habibi ho habibi GREEN SIGNAL for mega projects kabibi habibi ho habibi hea governmentan vacancy aha kabibi. habibi ho habibi aikolam taleigao party aha biryani. habibi ho habibi poise naka tenchem lagin borlea sakani habibi ho habibi chod deo borem korum adar dilo munon buildarani..tenchi khobor geonchi podteli kabibi. above as inspired by prince jacob tiatr RUPIAThank you Jacob brothers.Congratulations on presenting some of the facts of Gulf n the msg to Goans back home. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 05:32:53 -0700Subject: Re: [Goa_IT_parks] Narvekar resigns as minister Hooray ! The revolving door. One crook out, another comes in. We Goans are the losers. --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Samir Kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Samir Kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: [Goa_IT_parks] Narvekar resigns as ministerTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 7:07 AM Breaking News: Narvekar has resigned finally as a minister clearing thedecks for Babush Monseratte. (Digital Goa News).regards,Samir__._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Visit Your Group New business? Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Curves on Yahoo! Share & discuss Curves, fitness and weight loss. Yahoo! Groups Find balance between nutrition, activity & well-being. . __,_._,___ _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us
Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home
Mario Goveia wrote: > >> Mervyn wrote: >> Lastly, I would like to know what projects you >> support in Goa.? Do they need more funding? > > Mario responds: > > Thanks, but no thanks, Mervyn.? The people I tend to > work with do so without publicizing what they do and > who they do it with.? > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Mario responds: > The question, above,?is a simple one. You?either did not understand it or tried to evade it. ? I have yet to find a single charitable project that has all the funding it requires. > Mario responds: > You are wrong once again. I'm guessing this is because you fail to read what has been written. > What about the following sentence in my previous post did you not understand? > Quote: > I don't think our philosophies match closely enough. With all due respect, I think someone like Dean or George may be more compatible with your style and may have better uses for your money. > End quote. >
[Goanet] The 40 chors have done it again!
Dears, Dr. Samir Kelekar has posted the link to the Goa Bachao Abhiyan website node where the presentation on the TCP amendment Act, 2008, has been placed. Rarely will you hear the name of Noel Caldeira who updates the website. He is a silent worker. The presentation has been created by Architect Ritu Prasad. She and Architect Pravin Sabnis will presnt it in Margao on Saturday, 09 August, 2008. You can raise all the questions on the subject that you may have. Await further details. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Samir Kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] The 40 chors have done it again! Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi All Please go through the presentation on TCP act amendments on the www.savegoa.com site. Here is the link. http://savegoa.com/Downloads/Horrors%20of%20amendment%2016&16A.pdf These amendments are basically worse than RP 2011. It gives govt complete exemption from everything. Basically all kinds of houses, tourist resorts can be built as long as there is a fig leaf of some project for namesake such as IT park, or food park or Football academy. This needs to be stopped immediately. regards, Samir Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
[Goanet] Distressing developments in GBA
Dears, The email below has been published as the "Star Letter" in the Herald dated 05 August, 2008. Mog asundi Miguel Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:50:18 +0530 From: "Averthan D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] FW: Distressing developments in GBA Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _ It is truly distressing and unfortunate for Goa that the personal ambitions and uninformed dogmatism of some individuals has led to the present dissension within the Goa Bachao Abhiyan, and the resignation of its Convenor. COMMENT: Averthanus is NOT a a member of the GBA Core Group and he makes a patently UNINFORMED comment as if it was the Gospel truth. This bodes ill for the future of Goa, which was beginning to assert the right of the common citizen to be consulted by the Government before any major project was approved. The spirit of the GBA was consistent with the requirements of the 73rd. and 74th. amendments to the Constitution of India. The GBA was unique in consolidating the common aspirations of the people in respect of the utilization of the State's physical, economic and social resources. COMMENT: It is incorrect to use the verb WAS. The GBA is still alive and made a presentation on 02 August, 2008, a full 24 hours after its Convener reportedly "resigned". The Task Force sources have stated to the TOI that they are not aware of any resignation. Notwithstanding the opposition of some individuals to the GBA being a part of the Chief Minister's Task Force for preparing the process for the Regional Plan for Goa 2021, it was a great advantage that the GBA was represented in the Task Force. COMMENT: CM's Task Force or Goa's Task Force, dear Averthanus? I doubt anyone will deny the "advantage" though they may dispute as to who got the advantage. The GBA should have taken advantage of this opportunity to influence the thinking of the Task Force. With the resignation of Dr. Oscar Rebello and his two substitutes on the Task Force, the GBA has lost this opportunity. COMMENT: The Task force was appointed on 04 October, 2007 and was to have finished its work by 15 March, 2008. It was later extended to 31 May, 2008. No further extensions are known to have been notified in the Official Gazette. So when was this OPPORTUNITY to influence the thinking of the Task Force supposed to come? On the one hand, we have been demanding the right to be consulted in the planning process; but on the other hand, the egoistic attitude of a few individuals has discredited the GBA both in the eyes of the Government as well as in the eyes of the common citizens. They will have to bear a heavy burden of responsibility for their selfishness and short-sightedness. COMMENT: Like Prince Charming, Averthanus should go around with this "egoistic" shoe and see which Cinderella it will fit. He may be surprised that it does not the sisters in the hall ...but fits someone in the kitchen, far away from the media glare. The only burden these individuals will bear is of hard cash and I am NOT talking of Oscar. He is just the fall guy ...like Babush Monserrate was of the Regional Plan 2011! If Babush was really responsible, why has he been taken into the Mango Man's cabinet today? Tell us why, dear Averthan! Dr. Oscar Rebello is quite right that the GBA should offer clear and indisputable alternatives to the Government in the thinking of the Task Force. COMMENT: Oscar could have practiced the words of the Mahatma, "BE the CHANGE you want to SEE." Using four-leter words is but a poor substitute. If individuals cannot provide such alternatives (in writing), they should at least refrain from dragging the GBA into a state of incoherence. COMMENT: Et tu, Brutus? For all his limitations, Dr. Oscar Rebello represented the wider consensus of the citizens. By the vicious attacks against him on the internet (as reported in the Press) and by making his position as Convenor uncomfortable, these individuals have compromised the future of Goa. COMMENT: Compromised is the operative word used by many on the otherside, too. To state publicly that individuals come and go, but that the GBA should carry on, is both crass and intolerable. COMMENT: Has the GBA died after the Solar Eclipse of 01 August, 2008? Is the TRUTH so crass and intolerable, Averthan? People who make such statements reveal the dark side of their twisted personalities. COMMENT: Do you have someone in mind, Mr. Self Righteous? Dr. Oscar Rebello has quite obviously been made a scapegoat by these selfish elements. COMMENT: You are hundred percent right about Oscar being made the Scapegoat. Who was the one who confessed his sins on Oscar's head before leading him to the wilderness that he is in now ...via the Press. Old Yiddish proverb: "It is a sin to stumble over the same stone TWICE." I honestly thought Oscar was smart enough to learn his lesson on Statehood Day 30 May, 2008. He had
[Goanet] OCI or PIO
Will appreciate if Goanet can mail this to obtain clarification on OCI and PIO Which is better for a frequent traveller.? My main question so far has not been answered by anybody. It is following: If one holds foreign passport like that of US, Canada, UK, Portugal, Australia etc…. one can freely travel to most of these and other countries without obtaining visit VISA from the respective consulates /embassies. If one holds Indian passport than one must obtain visit VISA . Now the problem is that if you are holder of any of the above foreign passport and an OCI visa sticker on it then can you enter any of these countries without visa?. It seems people holding foreign passport with OCI visa sticker were not allowed entry by emigration authorities at the airport. They were told that since you are an Overseas Citizen of India(OCI) holder you require VISA to enter the country. Since some people are frequent travelers and what is said is true then one will prefer to have PIO then OCI since PIO is a separate entity and does not show on the foreign passport. The advantage of OCI is only when one travels to India. Example:A Portuguese and an UK passport holder with OCI visa sticker was not allowed entry in Australia because of his OCI visa sticker. He was told to obtain visit VISA like any other Indian citizen. If this is true then we must request the Indian Govt. not to fix OCI visa sticker on the foreign passport. Can anyone clarify whether he had this experience whilst traveling with OCI. Cesar _ >From salsa lessons to filmy gossip, news to music concerts - watch it all on >MSN Video http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in
Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home
Mervyn Lobo wrote: > I have yet to find a single charitable project that has all the funding it requires. > Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:56:45 +0400 From: kaleon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > LISTEN GUYS! SEND ME THE MONEY SINCE YOU SEEM TO HAVE TOO MUCH OF IT. SEND IT IN LARGE BILLS! I CAN BE A REALLY GOOD CHARITABLE PROJECT!;-)) Louise > Mario responds: > Hey, Louise, > First, calm down:-)) > It is Mervyn, not me, who is the guy with all the money and desperate to give it away:-)) When you get a chance, ask him where he got most of it:-)) > Hey, Mervyn, > Here you go. Louise wants your money. You will have to ask her why:-)) >
[Goanet] Appending professions before names
I have been observing one pecularity particular to goans i.e. appending their professions before their names eg. Advocate..., Engineer ..., Architect Besides of course the sundry doctors whether of medicine or philosophy or plain honorary. No where in the rest of India is there such a standard practice except for doctors which is understandable. Can someone throw light about this practice? Is it a way to display class or superiority?Generally those who cannot command respect demand respect by displaying their qualifications in matters not connected with their subject. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Induction of Antansio (Babush) Monserate a thorn in CM's nest
With the resignation of the Minister for Finance Mr Dayanand Narvekar (58), today, the CM Mr Digamber Kamat (54) and MLA Margao had clandestinely succeeded in his game plan of "silencing" the senior MLA's from the the Party who either posed or would pose a threat to his reign. Earlier it was Mr Pratapsing Rane (69) who was made the Speaker, then followed by Ms Victoria Fernandes (74) who was "silenced" then it was Mr Churchill Alemao (58) whose " silence " was purchased with a quid pro quo that he gets the PWD portfolio and a ticket for his beloved daughter Ms Valanka for the Mormugao Parliamentary seat in May 2009 if he " forgets" MOPA There is no doubt that Dhargalim ( Scheduled Caste reserved seat ) MLA Mr Manohar (Babu ) Azgaonkar (54) a "thorn in Mr Kamat's cabinet (who wields considerable influence in Margao ) will eventually face his extinction alongwith the Dhargalim seat which under the notified delimitation of Constituencies will vanish as Pernem Taluka will have just two constituencies Pernem (SC) and Mandrem and there is no guarantee that Mr Kamat will lobby for a ticket for him. Thus Mr Kamat would have had a team below the age of 54 years as on 2008. But today's induction of Mr Antanasio (Babush) Monseratte (46)the "unattached" member of the Goa Legislative Assembly from Taleigao clearly a direction from the High Command has come as a thorn in Kamats designs. Left to Mr Kamat notwithstanding the fact that Mr Monserrate did indeed help the Kamat Governments survival in July 2007 when Mr Kamat faced a an upheavel from his own rank and file he would have preferred to induct Mr Madkaikar (44 years ) de novo instead of the "enfante terrible" Mr Antanasio (Babush) Monseratte. This is all the more evident from the fact that three months ago cases filed against Mr Somnath Zuarkar the ex-MLA of Taleigao were declared as closed apparently to re-juvenate him for the next hustings anticipating that Mr Antanasio (Babush) Monseratte could well be charge-sheeted for his attack on the Panaji Police Station on 19th February, 2008. For Mr Monseratte charge-sheet or not he banks heavily on the Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) the MGP the Independent the "gang of six" who could change the fortunes of the INC in the coming months. But Mr Vishwajit Rane too will have to do some "tight rope walking" to appease Mr Monserrate to pursue his ambitions of becoming a CM with Senior Rane helping him before term end or the Parliamentary elections if the ocassion warrants. The senior INC MLA's would be ready to do his bidding if Kamat pursues his agenda further. Though there is no immediate threat until the coming Budget session. But clearly for CM Kamat he has sleepless nights until the election of the Pale assembly seat declared vacant after the death of its sitting member Mr Gurudas P Gaonkar, and in the event the UPA Government goes for early Parliamentary elections after the Nuclear deal is signed late September, 2008. Until now the portfolios have not been decided despite loose talk of reshuffle of portfolios. In any case knowing full well that the resignation from the Cabinet of Mr Narvekar may not go down too well with the fishing community to whom he belongs and the solid Catholic vote bank he commands in Tivim Aldona and now Penha de Franca (Porvorim) the newly carved Constituency under the delimitation Mr Kamat has clearly stated that he was only "following the directions of the High Command" It is a fact that Mr Digamber Kamat has never ever had a one to one meeting with the INC High Command according to sources who spoke to this writer from New Delhi this evening and it was always decisions conveyed by the High Priestess Madam Sonia Gandhi the UPA Chairperson thro' her emissaries looking after the Goa desk Ms Margaret Alva and now Mr B K Hariprassad. Interestingly the BJP led Opposition Mr Manohar Parrikar (55) too heads a team of young MLAs, hence wittingly or unwittingly both Mr Diagambar Kamat and Parrikar would prefer a younger team for their political survival in the Assembly. It may be of interest to note that the older lot were unseated Dr Wilfred De Souza Mr Francisco Sardinha Mr Luizinho Faleiro and Mr Subhash Shirodkar at the 2nd June 2007 hustings again a master plan of Mr Kamat though he claims to be God's choice to the INC led coalition in the State. GODFREY J. I. GONSALVES, BORDA, MARGAO, 403 602, GOA. (INDIA) +91 98221 58584 (24 HRS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times)
When the tough gets going one needs to be tough, Rebello should not have quit but put on the fight if he is on the right track and for the development of Goenkars ,and this goes out to every Goenkar today , no matter what disaster you face in life , be strong and god fearing , after all the lord has said "Be Still And Strong for I am God"> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 01:07:43 +0530> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet-News] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times)> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *> > 2008 Toronto International Goan Convention> Theme: Goan Identity And Networking Today.> http://2008goanconvention.com/index.php> > Mario Miranda Festival, July 24-26, 2008 Old GMC Building> http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-July/077732.html> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA> > By A Staff Reporter> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > PANJIM: Disparate forces with the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA)> have finally forced the resignation of its convenor Oscar> Rebello.> > Two other prominent members of the GBA, Ritu Prasad and> Patricia Pinto, who represented Rebello in the Task Force to> prepare the draft Regional Plan 2021, have also decided to> stay away from the panel henceforth.> > "I can understand people from outside the GBA criticizing> me," said a frustrated Rebello, "but when your own people> start labelling you a sell-out, it is better to resign."> > The resignation is a fallout over differences over the draft> Regional Plan with some groups arguing that the GBA should> pull out from the Task Force.> > Trouble in the GBA came to the fore a few months ago when> Rebello was on a foreign trip and co-convenor Sabina Martins> was coerced into signing a letter stating that the GBA> rejects the "methodology adopted" by the Task Force to> formulate a Regional Plan.> > The letter was leaked to the Press. Thereafter, a vicious> campaign was launched on the Internet to discredit Rebello.> > "I think the GBA has lost faith in me and I should resign,"> Rebello said.> > Part of the problem lies with the variety of interests in the> GBA with each group pursuing individual agendas and> forgetting the larger picture, sources said.> > One group wanted the ban on casinos to be included in the> regional plan, another wanted the entire process to be> restarted because it believed all the data provided by the> government was manipulated.> > Yet another wanted the spirit of the 73rd and 74th amendment> to be included in the plan.> > Another demand was that members of the Task Force should not> sign the document until the Town and Country Plannin gAct is> rescinded ... the list is endless.> > "How long are we going to wait for the government to change> the laws?" asked Dr Rebello. "If people want to change> government policy, then they should get elected to do it, not> through the back door."> > Added to his was the complication caused by the rising demand> by gram sabhas across the state for a blanket ban on mega> projects, sources said.> > "When I suggested that we take a stand on mega projects, it> was rejected," said Dr Rebello.> > Explaining the other issues, he said, the Regional Plan is> being held back only because of the 73rd and 74th amendment.> There is no precedent in the rest of India, as far as> provisions pertaining to planning.> > "We asked the core committee to produce a document on this> issue so that we could take it to the Task Force, nobody> responded," Dr Rebello said.> > "So on the one hand, you have GBA members insisting that the> spirit of these two amendments be included, on the other you> have a situation where no one is willing to say how this can> be accomplished."> > The problem faced by those who represented the GBA on the> Task Force -- Rebello, Ritu Prasad and Patricia Pinto -- was> that the disparate forces wanted them to behave as messengers> between the GBA and the Task Force instead of active> participant.> > "Everything has changed so much, that I can no longer> articulate the concerns of the GBA," lamented Rebello. The> doctor took exception to the vicious campaign launched> against him by Internet-savvy members of the GBA. "They have> tried to destroy my credibility," he said.> > --> Patricia, Ritu resign from Task Force too> > When contacted, Patricia said they had resigned from the Task> Force, but would continue to be the GBA members.> > "We (myself and Ritu Prasad) have not resigned from the GBA.> We were helping Dr Oscar on the Task Force and were> authorised to attend the Task Force meetings since Dr Oscar> was often pre-occupied with his profession."> > She said that one of the reasons for them to quit the Task> Force was that the GBA had not yet arrived at a consensus to> put the process of the 73rd and 74th amendments forward at> the Task Force.> > "We did not attend the Task Force m
[Goanet] Scarlett murder case: Goa court issues notice to police
Panaji, Aug 5 (PTI) A court here today issued notice to police following a complaint filed by a Goa-based NGO against Fiona Mackeown, mother of deceased British girl Scarlett Keeling for allegedly neglecting her daughter. The notice has been issued to Anjuna police inspector and also to the state and the matter will be heard on August 11. Utt Goenkara, a Goa-based NGO, had filed complaint against Mackeown for not taking care of her daughter and demanding probe into her role in leaving Scarlett alone in the beach on the fateful day. Scarlett's bruised body was found floating at Anjuna beach on February 18 after which the state police arrested two locals for allegedly drugging, raping and murdering the teenager. The NGO has also demanded that Mackeown be made primary accused in the case leading to Scarlett's death. It had filed complaint with the Goa Children's Court under the Goa Children's Act, 2003. Aires Rodrigues, who has filed the complaint on behalf of the NGO, has asked the Children's Court to direct CBI to investigate her role in leaving her 15-year-old daughter in the company of a stranger. PTI http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/10AF80EB8E42D55A6525749C0050A82F?OpenDocument -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Why did Oscar, Patricia and Ritu resign? (Herald)
http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7956&cid=2 Quote: Alongside this entire process, a strong campaign of accusations against the three -- a number of them being personal slurs on their character -- was being conducted over e-mail, and even being posted on public forums like the Goanet, a large e-group. What disheartened them further was that some members of the GBA core group were leading participants in this campaign. Why did Oscar, Patricia and Ritu resign? SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT PANJIM, AUG 4 — What were the issues that caused Dr Oscar Rebello to resign as Convenor of the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA), and his colleagues Patricia Pinto and Ritu Prasad to step down as the GBA's representatives on the Task Force for the Regional Plan (RP) 2021? According to informed sources, the core group of the GBA had differences over what was meant by preparation of RP2021 with public participation as envisaged by the 73rd and 74th Constitutional Amendments, which prescribe that bodies of local self government— like municipal councils, panchayats and zilla panchayats— should play a major role in developing these plans. No precedent The problem is, nowhere else in the country have regional plans been formulated according to these amendments, so Goa would have to work out a model from scratch. Earlier, during initial deliberations of the Task Force, the GBA had proposed that a pilot study be conducted in a few villages and municipalities, to develop a procedure for this consultation. But the bodies chosen for the purpose -- the Council for Social Justice and Peace and the Panchayati Raj group -- were not registered societies, and therefore not eligible to receive government funds directly. Finally, the Peaceful Society at Marcaim offered to come forward and receive the money on their behalf. But while the government wanted audited accounts of the project funds, the Peaceful Society said it would have to submit audited accounts for the society as a whole to the Registrar of Societies at year-end, and could not give accounts with original bills to the government for just this project, or it stood to lose its registration. In the melee, the pilot project fell through. After a major hiccup in between, when the GBA core group 'rejected' the recommendations of the Task Force in his absence and Dr Oscar offered to quit, the differences were patched up and the GBA team in the Task Force got down to work in earnest once more. Broadbased planning They prepared a detailed note for the Task Force. It noted the difficulties in implementing planning methodology according to the 73rd and 74th amendments, since the socio-economic Five Year Plans, which should be the basis for the preparation of the Regional Plan, have already been formulated top-down, rather than bottom-up, till 2012. They therefore proposed a detailed consultative process for broadbasing the RP 2021 provisions, by requiring the Task Force, in the true spirit of democracy, to explain the plan proposals to the people at the grassroots level through the local bodies, and by incorporating a 'Taluka Committee' into the planning process. Taluka Committee Considering that there are 189 panchayats, 14 municipal councils and one municipal corporation in the State that the taluka committees would need to consult with, it proposed to extend the time for public to submit comments and objections about the plan to four months instead of two. It is also laid down that the physical planning and land utilisation made up to 2021 should relooked at after 2012, when the next Five Year Plan is drawn up, hopefully through the 'bottom up' process. The RP, it said, should necessarily have to be relooked at every five years, since the time span for socio economic plans and physical planning were not in sync with each other. Two-tier plan Unlike earlier, the RP2021 would have two levels of plans (1) Regional Plan and (2) Settlement Plan (SP). The RP would be a broad framework based on which settlement plans at municipal and panchayat level would be prepared by the concerned local body within that local area, which would be meshed together at the taluka level by the taluka level committee. The RP would not be used as a 'surface utilisation map', which meant that no change in land use would be permitted at this level, as was done in the past. Rather, the onus would lie on the municipality/panchayat and the people of the area to get involved in steering the development of their city/village in the right direction, based on the broad parameters set out in the RP, and within the Development Plan Regulations (DPRs) of the State. Village-level approvals It mandated a positive interaction between the people at the grassroots level, the municipalities/panchayats at the local level, the taluka committee, and the Town and Country Planning Department and the state government at the highest level. It would be the responsibility of the Taluka committee to mesh together the plans prepa
[Goanet] GLOBAL GOAN CONVENTION - TORONTO - CANADA (Wilson Coelho)
I take this opportunity to extend my Hearty Congratulations! to the organizers GNAT for the job well done. There will always be short falls to point out as no one is perfect in such a mighty Organization. The Organizers deserve the credit for what they have done and achieved. There can never be 100% results. It takes years to build but destruction can be done in seconds. There will always be constructive and destructive criticism. The Organizers must be strong and determined to carry on such herculean task for the noble cause of Goa and Goans. It was, indeed, a very hard task for the Organizers who deserve all the praise and due credit for their accomplishment. Being an organizer of Events as the President of Goan Welfare Society - Kuwait for several years where one is restricted in various ways and assisting evacuation of Goans during the occupation of Kuwait by Iraq in difficult times, one is fully aware how hard it is to organize and an Event specially of that magn itude. The workshop in particular was a novel idea and it could benefit for many of our Goans to open up their eyes for their better tomorrow. The only shortfall was the poor response according to my eye. The Sons of the soil failed to take the advantage of the same. The organizers must work in coordination with all the Goan Clubs/Associations/Village Clubs etc so as to make it reach to every son of the soil. My hats off to Dr. Kevin Saldanha, wife Mrs Saldanha with whom I had the chance to interact for a short while but seen them in action. One could see each and every worker on their toes assisting them to the fullest. I do not recall all the names but certainly cannot forget Bosco D'Mello in the lime light playing silently his active roll so also Francis (President) and his wife, if not mistaken, Clera. My hats off to Mando Mogui specially flown from Goa, the Goan culture and art lovers for their superb performance capturing the hearts of all. May God Bless them all for having linked the Hearts, Minds and Souls of Goans in Canada apart from the visiting dignitaries. Long live Goa! Wilson Coelho _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us
Re: [Goanet] OCI or PIO
My understanding is that if you are of Indian origin and qualify to apply for this then you only get an OCI. If you are of non-Indian origin (and married to a person of Indian origin) you only qualify for a PIO. Tim > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 > 20:47:53 +0530> Subject: [Goanet] OCI or PIO> > > > > Will appreciate if > Goanet can mail this to obtain clarification on OCI and PIO> Which is better > for a frequent traveller.?> > My main question so far has not been answered > by anybody. It is following:> > If one holds foreign passport like that of > US, Canada, UK, Portugal, Australia> etc…. one can freely travel to most of > these and other countries without > obtaining visit VISA from the respective > consulates /embassies.> If one holds Indian passport than one must obtain > visit VISA .> > Now the problem is that if you are holder of any of the above > foreign passport> and an OCI visa sticker on it then can you enter any of > these countries without visa?.> > It seems people holding foreign passport > with OCI visa sticker were not allowed entry by emigration authorities at the > airport. They were told that since you are an Overseas Citizen of India(OCI) > holder you require VISA to enter the country.> > Since some people are > frequent travelers and what is said is true then one will prefer> to have PIO > then OCI since PIO is a separate entity and does not show on the foreign> > passport.> The advantage of OCI is only when one travels to India.> > > Example:A Portuguese and an UK passport holder with OCI visa sticker was > > not allowed entry in Australia because of his OCI visa sticker. He was told > to> obtain visit VISA like any other Indian citizen.> If this is true then we > must request the Indian Govt. not to fix OCI visa sticker> on the foreign > passport.> Can anyone clarify whether he had this experience whilst traveling > with OCI. > > Cesar> > > _> >From > salsa lessons to filmy gossip, news to music concerts - watch it all on MSN > Video> http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in _ Find hidden words, unscramble celebrity names, or try the ultimate crossword puzzle with Live Search Games. Play now! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212
[Goanet] Appending professions before names
Dear Marshall, A person referring to himself or herself as "Dr. XYZ" is sure to be suffering from INFERIORRITY complex ... or is a first generation learner, justifiably proud of his or her achievement. The first needs psychological counselling , the second type needs understanding. Persons who ILLEGALLY prefix the names of AWARDS to their names e.g. "Padma Shree XYZ" need to be pitied for their low self worth. I was surprised to see the Award as a prefix even in the Official Gazette of Goa. You bet, it was for a Moidekar! It is right for a third party to address someone with a MBBS, B.V.Sc., Ph. D. or D. Litt as "Dr. XYZ" in India. In most counties only registered Medical practitioners [RMP] may use the prefix "Dr." to aid identification in case of a medical emergency. All others suffix their name with the degree as in Ajit Shirodkar, Ph. D. or Padmakar Dubhashi, D.Litt.or Kashinath Hiremath, Ph. D. These gentlemen normally sign off only with their first or last name, even when writing to simple gardeners like me. For formal correspondence they use "Dr. XYZ" as per the local tradition. Innovative ideas are found by those who do not have a Ph. D. or a D.Litt .. ... they affix their designation, as in "Principal XYZ". Even some Higher Secondary Teachers and College Lecturers conveniently label themselves as "Prof" ... some even after retirement as lecturers! The disease is not endemic to Goa. I know of a scientist who screamed at a M.Sc. student because he addressed him as "Mr. XYZ". He insisted, "I have worked hard for my Ph.D. You must call me Dr. XYZ" This particular Dr. died of a heart attack at a rather young age of 45 years. Most "Dr." in Goa are a post Goa University phenomenon. Almost all of them are happy to have a single doctorate degree. It is now compulsory to have a Ph. D to become a College Principal or a "Reader" even in the college departments. With 46 Colleges, there must be around a 100 Ph.Ds in Goa University affiliated Colleges. There may be another few hundreds teachingin the Goa University campus or doing research at NIO, etc. I had a class mate for B.Sc. who was put on "probation" [limited credits per semester/trimester because of below average performance in the previous term] but now has two Ph.Ds. under her belt. Most of my classmates who went for research or teaching have at least one Ph. D. It is compulsory to be assesed as a "Reader" or "Associate" professor. Many of the Associate Professors and Professors in college had three of four Ph.D.s in different disciplines,in different Universities and in different countries and yet would say to me as a student, "Miguel, please call me Raghu or as my friends call me, Rags." when the name may have been Dr. K. Raghupathy ,Ph.D in Horti[UAS],Ph.D. in Botany[UCLA] and Ph. D in Genetics [London] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:18:18 +0530 (IST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Appending professions before names Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been observing one pecularity particular to goans i.e. appending their professions before their names eg. Advocate..., Engineer ..., Architect Besides of course the sundry doctors whether of medicine or philosophy or plain honorary. No where in the rest of India is there such a standard practice except for doctors which is understandable. Can someone throw light about this practice? Is it a way to display class or superiority?Generally those who cannot command respect demand respect by displaying their qualifications in matters not connected with their subject. Regards, Marshall Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:31:25 +0530 From: gwasha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What has anyone selling land ,got to do with you or anyone, who the ? are you to question anyone freedom to sell their own properties, what gives you the right, You have what it takes come and buy, or shut up. > Mario responds: > Hey, Ayres, > I would really like to recommend that you re-read what has been written before popping off and embarrassing yourself like this in front of all of Goanet? > Here, perhaps if you read this post you may get a clue: > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-July/077989.html > While you are at it, go to the archives and read the entire exchange you are referring to. > My entire position - for years now - has been that ANYONE who can legally do so and can afford to do so should be able to either buy a property or sell a property in Goa. > I have also come and bought a property myself. > So, do I now have your permission to speak?:-)) > Ayres wrote: > fisher mongers at Goa are better then you on this forum, anyone can sit and write crap, > Mario responds: > I agree. Your comments are a perfect example:-)) > Ayres wrote: > Action is the key word, stop you idiotic opinions, non conclusive and void.? talk some sense, > Mario responds: > Ayres, are you asking me to respond to nonsense with sense?:-)) I am waiting for you to do your research and try again, and then I can show you how sensible I can be:-)) >
Re: [Goanet] Overseas Goans Are "Null and Void"
Dear Roland, My broadband connectivity was interrupted as of Sunday, 3/Aug - 3.00 p.m. IST. Therefore there was a pile-up in my inbox. The connectivity was restored only today, 5/Aug at noon. First thing I did was to clear the second project of Citizens' [Of Goa] Initiative - Re: the www.goamurdermystery.com , which was sitting in my outbox since yesterday, to net distribution lists as well as to all newspapers for info (dunno if they will air it) and hardly had time to scan the pile of mail. Beside the subject of your post above is such that I thought it was something to do with the Toronto Convention and therefore skipped it. I have gone thro it only due to Miguel's alert. Most gracious of you to offer such a large amount in one go. THANK YOU. And I shall accept your one hundred dollars US on my own terms, the terms that I have made public vide my post preceeding the CI's debate. (subject: Citizen's [Of Goa] Intiative begins TODAY - 30 JULY 2008 - 4.30 p.m. ) To spell the terms again, (1) The Convenor of the 'CI' must be a rotating Convenor (2) The three 'Registers' that I have compiled must be maintained and rotated for each new "CI's" projects. (3)Whosoever feels that a certain issue must be taken up, shall be the next convenor of the 'CI' and the entire bundle must change hands. (4) Box for depositing petty cash must always be displayed at the venue and attendees must be reminded that they are the 'hosts' and not 'invitees', and therefore they must pay, whatever they feel like to spread the word that 'small money from a lot of people makes better sense than a lot of money from one person'. (5) Main Register must reflect the Accounts (Receipts & Expenses) of each project as it takes place as well as these must be publicised on the net for transparency's sake. (6) No bank account is necessary if the above is followed as the Bank account operation requires permanent signatories. This is intended to be the rolling trophy. So let it roll away. And, Miguel is most welcome to broad base the 'CI'. Let it roll ahead and generate a stampede. (Ofcourse, not the type that we read in papers over religious pilgrimages :-)). Besides, my name as the 'convenor' of CI has cropped up twice already. I don't want the wise chirp 'FAMILIARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT' to make its mark with 'CI' :-) Therefore Roland, you may post a local 'crossed cheque' to me in my name and that will be just fine. Let me assure you that I shall pay myself fully from this and whatever remains in the kitty will be passed on to set a precedent which is just and right. "NO ONE SHUD TAKE CREDIT FOR CI" The credit must go to the CITIZENS OF GOA. Thank you once again for your magnanimous offer. I am sorry that you had to feel that there were no takers for it. By all means, Goa needs more of its kind but on the basis of a very very transparent system as explained above. Of course, the system might have inherent flaws but it can be improved to make it very very very transparent. Goan expats have given a lot of money, before, for lots of so called 'sincere' causes and the money has taken a tall walk :-) . This must and will not not happen with the 'CITIZENS' [OF GOA] INITIATIVE. B/rgds floriano Original Message - From: "Roland Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goanet" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 12:38 AM Subject: [Goanet] Overseas Goans Are "Null and Void" A message to the Goans in Goa, if you didn't already know. Diaspora Goans are a pretty useless lot as far as the political problems in Goa are concerned. We huff and we puff and we pretend that we have to be kept informed of what happens. We give all sort of opinions and comments but the truth is we don't know any of the ground realities of modern day Goa. We are really like the grand father of the family gathering. We sit in an armchair, bow our head and acknowledge the respect and awe of the younger relatives. But since we are circumstantially inactive, we have no leadership to give. It is necessary that the Goans in Goa rising as one body must feel the need for change. It is also necessary that they throw up their own leaders that can spark the change to create the fire. Overseas Goans have no right to tell them what the change must be nor whether they must make their change at all. We have no right to criticize their leaders beyond giving them the help they need. Personally I am impressed that Floriano and his team have organized what may be the beginning of a growing citizens' initiative. I know that people in Goa will identify for themselves what they need or do not need and how best to galvanize and steer their own changes. I am surprised that he has had to pocket the loss. In my own little way I wish to contribute a hundred dollars to that kitty. I am hopeful that instead of mere talk we add to that so in future he does not have to worry about the money when he wants to make change within democracy wor
Re: [Goanet] Greatest Goan ever
Yes, in the days of top ten lists and mind-numbing tele-reality shows, I suppose we can remember the dead and the forgotten Goichis. Lino, I would think dead ole Jack would be on my list too but not sure you ever met him (I didn't) but speaking to folks who did, he often looked down on Goans and was a classist (apparently) for the most part. Inspite of being the savior of Goa in 1968, he did something commendable but he ain't great. Greatness has to combine humility (most important) with a few outstanding acts. His son Erasmo was a way better person- warm and intelligent and an overall nice fellow. For my two bits, I think it would be Mathany Saldanha. He has selflessly fought for the Goan cause. I mean, how can one imagine going on and on when everyone thinks you are great but not many vote for you: from the environment to some of our traditional occupations (ramponcars). Olga Tellis (of the Amrit Baazar Patrika/The Telegraph) thought so and said he was handsome *wink wink* and went all mushy *aye saaiba boogos*. Lastly, we have our unsung heros, folks who have in their own unassuming way done way more than any public figures. One of them was the late Wilfred Antao of Arrosim. An environmentalist way before the environment was s^xy with his warnings of rise in sea levels. It was useless noise then and who'd have thought this woud be reality in the future. He had warned through his writings on the dangers of cutting the sand dunes along the coast from Holland to Betul. If you wisit the beaches today, most dunes are gone (mined by a quiet newspaper seller from the port-town with affiliations to a nationalist party, and sent to cement plants in his home state to the north- this man does not serve customers who speak cristao concani ). He had warned of unplanned development (sustainable development) and some of the original thinking gave birth to the Gomant Lok Poxx party in the 80s. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:38 AM, lino dourado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Cecil, > > And my personal favourite title goes to Historic Opinion Poll Leader late Dr. > Jack Sequeira for protecting the identity of Goa. Because of the sacrifice of > the great leader YOU and ME are Goykar. > > Mog asum > > Lino Dourado > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My personal favourite for the title of Greatest Goan ever would be > Abbe Faria with D. D. Kossambi coming a close second. W
[Goanet] Greatest Goan ever
Dear Cecil, Leave all your fake Goan freedom fighters who supposedly fought for Goa.My vote for the greatest Goan would be the historic Opinion poll the late Dr. Jack Sequeira no one else can come anywhere near him. I also wish to congratulate the voters of Salcette who gave him a resounding response to his call for a Goan homeland. I honestly think that every taluka in the state of Goa should have a statue of Dr. Jack Sequeira. Mog Asundi Ignatius Fernandes. _ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s & Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/
[Goanet] Child AKSHADA sings in English (ABBA), Hindi, Konkani & Marathi
Child AKSHADA sings in English (ABBA), Hindi, Konkani & Marathi First, know little more of Akshada Bandekar http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Fn0K1Qr5U [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Babush is Back
Babush is Back I wonder what would be the stand taken by the foul mouthed -- saffron lensed photokar who is alledged to have ran back to his hole in USA would be now...that Babush is back as a full fledged minister... Perhaps...RAPE in Goa would now turn to pleasure in the BAHAMAS! Cedric Da Costa Dubai (after a long break from GOANET)
[Goanet] When Baga was 'bridge-less'
Hi Cecil, It is now referred to as frotteurism (also toucheurism). The term frottage -- a technique employed to lift textures off tactile surfaces. continues to be used in art, and was employed extensively by Max Ernst — the Surrealist. See below for a more comprehensive reference on Frotteurism : http://www.reference.com/search?r=13&q=Frotteurism Also see paraphilia: http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Paraphilia Can you imagine if there was a book put together on the various philia's / paraphilias in Konkani/Marathi? Perhaps they do exist in Marathi. I must look into this. Nothing like learning new words that I will only use a couple of times in my life. Venantius _ > Cecil Pinto wrote: > > the male rubbing himself on 'the behind' > > of the female was not necessarily an act of foreplay but could be a > > sexual act in itself. This is referred to as frottage. > > >
[Goanet] FRIDAY BALCAO:Breastfeeding:Community support to mothers, need of the hour in Goa.
- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO - Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet, We continue with FRIDAY BALCAO on 8th August from 4pm. to 6pm. at Goa Desc Resource Centre No.11, Liberty Apartments, Feira Alta, Mapusa Goa. TOPIC: Breastfeeding: Community support to mothers, need of the hour in Goa. SPEAKER:Open Discussion We invite you to express your viewpoint by attending the Friday Balcao event but if you cannot attend, then please send your views and action plan suggestions by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] best wishes, Roland Martins --- Don't miss out on the discussion. Information is power, Share it equitably. Lets make things happen in Goa !! --- GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy = __._,_.___
[Goanet] Navelim Youth Centre AGM on 15th August 2008
:::Navelim Youth Centre AGM on 15th August 2008::: Kuwait: Navelim Youth Centre (NYC), one of the pioneering social organizations in Kuwait will hold their Annual General Body Meeting on Friday, August 15 at Village Inn Hotel, Kuwait City starting at 10:00 am. Navelim Youth Centre has emphasized on events and celebrations of excellence not just for it's members but for the whole Indian community in general. Soccer is one field NYC are popular among expatriate Indians. Navelim members are requested to attend the AGM to continue upholding unity of Navelim expatriate villagers living in Kuwait and to strengthen the existence of club. New Navelkars in Kuwait and those wishing to acquire fresh membership to the club are requested to contact any member of Navelim or call 9629807 / 9020456. :::Indian Football in Kuwait: Winners & Losers::: Click: http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=85905 & www.indianfootball.com (Guest Column) === The first of its kind is dedicated to Goans around the Globe. http://www.goa-world.com/ Gulf-Goans e-newsletter moderated by Almeida Gaspar === New Delhi's famed 'SEBY & THE WINGS' to perform in Kuwait http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/message/20265 === ==2nd October 2008== Navelim Youth Centre, Kuwait presents :::50 Years of Tradition::: ~NITE O'ROSES~
[Goanet] poor goans
My dear Goanetters, With reference to the e-mails below, many of you have misunderstood my e-mail, and hence, I wish to state, that I am not at all happy, in fact, I am very sad to read on Goanet, that Goans have become so poor, that they are forced to sell their ancestral property to Celina etc. (1)We can all sit and debate the above issue, but unless we all do something about this sad situation, it will remain just that "a sad situation", where our goan men and women will continue to do all the menial jobs in the homes and offices of non-goans. The YWCA,Mumbai, in their effort to empower women, offers many courses to young women from all over India, with hostel facilities also. If any of you know of young goan women, who do not have the finances, are NOT tenth std passed but would like to become financially independent, please do send an e-mail to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / website : http://www.ywcabombay.com or, write to: YWCA - Achamma Bhavan Hostel, Institute of Nutrition and Baking, Vocational Training Institute,75, Motlibai street, near Nair hospital, Mumbai -400 008.ph. no: 022-23096544//23020469/23096555 The YWCA, will try to find a sponsor for any underprivileged young goan women, that any of you recommend, or, one of the so-called rich Goans on this website can sponsor the poor goan girls who cannot find a sponsor. I am based in Mumbai and hence, you are welcome to contact me for help. (2) The government of Maharashtra has a special dptmt that gives loans to christians, for business, education, etc., at very low interest rates. You will all be sad to know, that christians are not availing of this scheme. If any of you want this information,please send me an e-mail, or, I will get it and display it on this website. I do know that the govtmt of goa too, has similar schemes for goans.PLEASE GET THIS INFORMATION AND POST ON THIS WEBSITE. (3)All Goans can buy, with proof and legal help, land in the village of their ancestors, at very cheap rates, from the village panchayat in goa. (4) My father loved spending his week-end holidays, personally cleaning and servicing his cars and bikes and whenever a beggar approached him, he would ask them "why are you poor? God gave you hands and legs, come, I will teach you to earn money", He would then proceed, to teach them about maintenance of bikes and cars, give them a meal and tell them to come back the next week-end. I always laughed at his silly question to beggars, "why are you poor?", but now,not only do I miss him a lot, but I also realize that he was right. If any of you come across a poor family, teach them in your own home, with your god-given talents and knowledge. == >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:11:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home >Mario Goveia?wrote: > > BTW, unless I'm missing something, aren't there many > > real poor people in Goa, who never had a home to sell > > in the first place that are much more in need of help > > and education? > >? >? >Mario, >You and me have been yapping for too long on the net. >If you are a man of action and are ready to help, how about us donating some >time and/or money to those who really need help in Goa? >Mervyn __ >Message: 10 >Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:00:54 + (GMT) > From: edward desilva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Goanet] celina, katrina and goa-going...going...gone > >Mario says: >Jane, >Thanks for observing that we should be happy that >Celina, Katrina, etc. are helping poor Goans by buying >and refurbishing their crumbling properties in Goa, >that they cannot afford to keep up and/or need the >money for something else.? Also, that the objections >to such wonderful developments are silly. > >Now, I look forward to your discussing the brilliant >post by Ed about "Modern Humans" and including >(Goans)Indians among the Neanderthals who mixed with >Homo Sapiens >- >Reply: >Are you saying Indians are pure africans or pure indians,?ie, we?always were >'modern humans'. >Are you saying that the Africans never crossed India on their way to the west >to mix with the neanderthals and BACK AGAIN? >This is what I meant:- >Fortunes change, these nouveau riche?may and will have dropout children?who >dabble in drugs etc coz they have more money than sense, result, they will >either sell their house at a bigger sum or settle down permanently in Goa. >Thus, mixing with locals. >This happened in the Punjab not very long ago; Alexanders mob, who did not go >back. Their decendents think they are cut above the others who are not of the >same colour as themselves. >ED.
[Goanet] Goa news for August 6, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Unattached MLA inducted into Goa government - Hindu [2 hours ago] PANAJI: Unattached MLA of the United Goans Democratic Partys (UGDP) Atanasio Monserrate was on Tuesday inducted into the Congress-led coalition government ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/2008/08/06/stories/2008080656201300.htm&cid=1233357156&ei=euKYSNbQB4WMhQOi2KjsCg&usg=AFQjCNGrewA8h7o8SFyFORMEnT0QFaqSIA *** Scarlett murder case: Goa court issues notice to police - Press Trust of India [8 hours ago] Panaji, Aug 5 (PTI) A court here today issued notice to police following a complaint filed by a Goa-based NGO against Fiona Mackeown, mother of deceased ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/10AF80EB8E42D55A6525749C0050A82F?OpenDocument&cid=1233857457&ei=euKYSNbQB4WMhQOi2KjsCg&usg=AFQjCNGUo_KUUyUJgmGAJKFAubqWfKTj4Q *** S Goa ZP to oppose Mopa airport - Navhind Times [3 hours ago] MARGAO ” The 20-member South Goa Zilla Parishad, has unanimously resolved to defend the Dabolim airport and oppose the construction of Mopa airport at its ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080612&cid=1233929237&ei=euKYSNbQB4WMhQOi2KjsCg&usg=AFQjCNEXpNzzlc8ubey6Mt3pLT_ljE8vyQ *** India Stocks: Refiners, Bharat Heavy, Ranbaxy, Sesa Goa - Bloomberg [18 hours ago] Sesa Goa Ltd. (SESA IN) India's biggest non-state iron-ore exporter declined 93.65 rupees, or 2.6 percent, to 3448. India may ask iron ore miners to sell ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=ah28AQHIt18s&refer=india&cid=1233487087&ei=euKYSNbQB4WMhQOi2KjsCg&usg=AFQjCNFNtbHvo4Wv-P81LqkMQGSb5Voh0Q *** Naa Girlfriend Baaga Rich going to Goa - Galatta.com [12 hours ago] Recently, while talking to the press, thedirector said, "We plan to can a song in Goa after finishing up here. After wrapping up that song, there will be ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://telugu.galatta.com/entertainment/telugu/livewire/id/Naa_Girlfriend_Baaga_Rich_goes_to_Goa_17622.html&cid=0&ei=euKYSNbQB4WMhQOi2KjsCg&usg=AFQjCNEW3vakTUDsybffii5iVH4LIcBLJQ *** Fatal AIDS cases in Goa touch 466 mark - Navhind Times [3 hours ago] The statistics provided by the monitoring and evaluation unit of the Goa State AIDS Control Society (GSACS) point out 91 such deaths during the year 2005, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080615&cid=0&ei=euKYSNbQB4WMhQOi2KjsCg&usg=AFQjCNHoa2MKlsNGb3Ow0LSr8WLg7ORtmw *** What\'s in a name? Goa\'s always great - Merinews [7 hours ago] ON A recent summer holiday to the Indian tourists ultimate haven, Goa, there were plenty of things that I learnt. Apart from all the regular clichés ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://india.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=138855&cid=0&ei=euKYSNbQB4WMhQOi2KjsCg&usg=AFQjCNGmMA1DpmF79a4GoBx-Ck-7Rtgo4A *** Anti-diabetes project for Goa soon - Times of India [22 hours ago] "The government's role is only to provide them space at the Goa Medical College," Kamat said. The staff of the state health services department will ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Anti-diabetes_project_for_Goa_soon/articleshow/3326494.cms&cid=0&ei=euKYSNbQB4WMhQOi2KjsCg&usg=AFQjCNExldY2RbuXw8or8Nj8CsuZr3_TtQ *** Global recession hits Goa tourism industry - Economic Times [15 hours ago] 5 Aug, 2008, 1310 hrs IST, PTI PANAJI: Global recession has badly hit Goa's tourism industry forcing almost 20 percent downfall in tourist arrival to the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Global_recession_hits_Goa_tourism_industry/articleshow/3328409.cms&cid=0&ei=euKYSNbQB4WMhQOi2KjsCg&usg=AFQjCNG9tdz0yOIzz8tXupJE7U2cUp-R_g *** Sesa Goa slumps on possible government intervention - NDTV.com [12 hours ago] Sesa Goa declined 6.08% to Rs 3332 at 15:29 IST on BSE on reports the government may ask iron ore miners to sell the iron ore to steel makers through ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://www.ndtvprofit.com/2008/08/05161357/Sesa-Goa-slumps-on-possible-go.html&cid=0&ei=euKYSNbQB4WMhQOi2KjsCg&usg=AFQjCNF1Ewyh4yVP1ZDT_lnv8SEWswCGJw Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Qatar Goans participate in Goan Soccer in Dubai
QATAR GOANS TO PARTICIPATE IN GOAN SOCCER IN DUBAI FESTA Entertainments will have their 5th seven a side inter village one day football tournament to be held on 25/07/08, from 5:30pm onwards at AL WASL SPORTS CLUB Dubai under floodlights. The tournaments are sponsored by PROJECT ARABIA SHIPPING SERVICES. Tournament is a curtain raiser for Goans inter village Ramadan cup 2008 to be held during the holy month of Ramadan at Iranian sports club Dubai. Teams from all over UAE are invited to participate in the all Goa football tournament 2008. For seven on 25/07/08 GOAN YOUNGESTERS - QATAR are special attraction for grand event. The football tournament is held to bring all Goans together and have FUN. FOR MORE DETAILS CONTACT BONNIE / HENRY on 050-8488096 / 050-4580351 Thanks Best Regards Bonnie Fernandes
Re: [Goanet] Travel guides, history and other books
Thank you Frederick, for sharing your love of Goan history and writings with us. The bookshop in Margao is now on my list to visit. Celina Costa Pereira
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Textbook wars come to Goa... and howdo our politicians respond?
Listen... we have enough GOA clubs and organizations,, world-wide, all promoting supposed goan-culture through dances, entertainement and what not. In Toronto, same thing dances and dances. Not my style, i say, because Goan culture, the essence of being a goan, is and has always been chistianity and portugues culture. Therefore, when an Indian-based parish priest visting our church in Toronto, passionately decries, during his Sunday sermon from the pulpit, the murders, harrasment and the intolerances practiced against the priests, sisters and christian followers in certain states in India, by the two Hindu organizations, RSS and another, ( referring them as the cultural wings of the BJP ), we, in the church listened with attention. I say it is time that the goan in foreign countries do more about this discrimination. i would join a group that expressed goan in its true form, without hatred to any religion, extreme tolerance of all, and proud indian, yet proud goan. I lament that these clubs seem more interested in funding entertainment than promoting christianity and konkanim and football. anthony
Re: [Goanet] Books from Goa ... some options available
Hello there Sr. Fred., I am a vivid reader (of books in general) and of course of your e-bulletin/news. Yes, I would be very interested in having the full set of boks mentioned. Could I pay through my credit card or would you prefer bank draft .. either to suit you. I come from Margao, and my mum from Saligao. These books will only help me and any body else wanting to go through it to enlighten themselves, or (never say) may be you might be contacted for another order. Thanks for your assistance. Higino Miranda
[Goanet] Damao couple in Beijing Olympics ceremony
Maybe our Goa Damao and Diu youngsters (with the exception of a couple of hockey players from Canada) did not make it to the Beijing Games. But a septuagenarian couple from Damao, Jose and Henriqueta Colaco both residents of Macau are part of a 40 strong Folcore group Danca e Cantares de Macau taking part in the opening ceremony this Friday. Jose Colaco plays the Cavaquinho while Henriqueta sings and dances. Various ethnic groups have been invited to participate in the opening ceremony which is supposed to be spectacular, let us see what the athletes can do without the drugs. BC __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Lindy Hop and Argentine Tango is in Mumbai ;)
A note from Tim and Malou who were in Goa in March 2008: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-March/070700.html Hello! This is an email to let you know that Malou and Tim are soon back in Mumbai to get Lindy Hop and Argentine Tango scenes off and running! We'll be conducting regular courses in Lindy Hop and Argentine Tango in several areas in Mumbai, including Zenzi Bar in Bandra, beginning within the next couple of weeks. We'll also be hosting frequent parties so you can use the dances you'll be learning. We intend to bring Mumbai up to a world-class location to dance both Lindy Hop and Argentine Tango socially. Get ready for a really good time! In addition to our courses we'll also be holding special workshops, and performances, and will keep you posted. I will follow up this email in the next couple of weeks with more exact information (i.e. Locations, times, etc.) but I invite you to ask any initial questions you may have, and I will do my best to answer promptly. I also invite you all to join the facebook groups: 1) Lindy Hop in India: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8204802458&ref=ts 2) Tango in India: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16994611690&ref=ts Both groups will be kept up to date with all events, performances, classes, etc. of each respective dance in India. I invite any other organizers and promoters of either Tango and Lindy Hop to post their events in these groups as well. And of course you can always check http://lindyhopindia.com for information, and references as well. Malou and I are pretty excited to get back to Mumbai and get things going. We hope you'll be a part of it and to see you on the dance floor! With warm regards, Tim Collins & Malou Meyenhofer Artistic Directors Lindy Hop India http://lindyhopindia.com
Re: [Goanet] GLOBAL GOAN CONVENTION - TORONTO - CANADA (Wilson Coelho)
Cheers, well done, in giving us : One more 'POSITIVE PLUS' response to the Global Goan Convention - Toronto - Canada and its ORGANIZERS. Thank you Wilson for letting us know. ? Is there any doubt that 'Goans cannot unite' in this INTERNET AGE?" L L G [Long Live Goa] floriano for goasuraj goa environmental action group citizens' [Of Goa] Initiative - Original Message - From: "Wilson Coelho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; "Bosco - Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: [Goanet] GLOBAL GOAN CONVENTION - TORONTO - CANADA (Wilson Coelho) I take this opportunity to extend my Hearty Congratulations! to the organizers GNAT for the job well done. There will always be short falls to point out as no one is perfect in such a mighty Organization. The Organizers deserve the credit for what they have done and achieved. There can never be 100% results. It takes years to build but destruction can be done in seconds. There will always be constructive and destructive criticism. . May God Bless them all for having linked the Hearts, Minds and Souls of Goans in Canada apart from the visiting dignitaries. Long live Goa! Wilson Coelho
[Goanet] R.L.A.F thanks C.M. for naming Margao Hall.
ROMI LIPI ACTION FRONT c/o Rhythm House, Below City Hospital ,Opp. Meenaxi Hotel,Margao, Goa.403 601.Mob. 9822386579 Ref:- RLAF/HALL /PRESS Date:- 1.8.2008 R.L.A.F thanks C.M. for naming Margao Hall. The "Romi Lipi Action Front" thanks the Chief Minister of Goa, Shri Digamber Kamat, for keeping up to his promise of naming the Indoor Hall , at Rabindra Bhawan, Margao, in the name of "Pai Tiatrist Joao Agustinho Fernandes" . It is a matter of pride, to all Konkani Tiatrists, that finally, the Government of Goa , thought it fit, to name a Hall, after this great man who sustained "Konkani Tiatro", in its most difficult times, and who also, started the trend of writing "Original Konkani Tiatro- Scripts". All the tiatrists, along with associations working in the field of konkani and like minded people, had made a joint effort in approaching the Chief Minister , in this regard. The Chief Minister had made a commitment, and today he has fulfilled that commitment. This, only goes to show ,that a lot more, can be achieved if only, the people of Goa, ask in "one voice". ie.by putting up a "joint front". It is a lesson , to the tiatrist fraternity in particular, to always make "unity" the corner-stone, of all their "just demands". The "Romi Lipi Action Front", takes this opportunity to appeal to all tiatrists, to display similar unity, for demanding "Amendment to the Official Language Act" to give equal status to the 'Roman Script'. It is only a matter of time. The Government of Goa has to realize their mistake, sooner or later. The "Roman Script" has to get recognition, some day. Wilmix Wilson Mazarello Convenor, Romi Lipi Action Front)
[Goanet] Guide for Career Planning launched
Guide for Career Planning launched Herald News Desk PANJIM, JULY 29 - The third edition of Careers: The Complete Guide was released today at the hands of Chief Minister Digambar Kamat at the Secretariat Complex, Porvorim. Present on the occasion were Ilidio de Noronha, Editor of the Guide; Vishal Agarwal and Abhijeet Naik, Consultant Editors and Naguesh Sardessai, career counsellor. Published by Plus Publications, Careers: The Complete Guide 2008 is aimed at students, teachers, parents and career counsellors as an invaluable tool for career planning. Some of the highlights of the third edition include over 400 Career Avenues, New Age Careers, New and innovative Courses of 2008, International Certifications, NRI / PIO / Foreign Student Admission, Career Advancement using the Web, etc. Besides, the Guide provides vital information on aptitude testing, entrance exams, PIs, GDs, alternative education options, soft skills, study abroad, scholarships, educational loans, jobs, entrepreneurship, and lots more. The 176-page publication has been edited by Ilidio de Noronha, with Vishal Agarwal and Abhijeet Naik as the Consultant Editors. Its panel of writers, comprising career experts, academicians and professionals from relevant fields, includes Naguesh Sardessai, Lucette Virgincar, M.A. Sundaram, Kshipra Vora, Merwyn Sequeira, Rajkumar Kamat, Avelino de Sa, Blaise Costabir, Vinita Freitas and Joyce Gracias. Priced at Rs 150, Careers: The Complete Guide is available at leading bookshops across the States of Goa, Maharashtra and Gujarat. Plus Publications has to its credit well-known guides like Getting Married in Goa and Old Goa: The Complete Guide. Plus Publications are also the organisers of the annual Campus Radio Career Guidance Series and other career workshops. For further details, please contact: 9422058131, 2464687 or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PLUS PUBLICATIONS E-2, S-2, Martins Enclave, Near Syndicate Bank, Kerant, Caranzalem, Goa. (India) 403002. Tel: 91-832-2464687, 9422058131
[Goanet] Goans in Melbourne gearing towards their Sixth Annual World Goa Day Celebrations
I am pleased to inform you that many Goans in Melbourne are set to celebrate their sixth annual World Goa Day with family and friends on Saturday 23 August 2008. The event is organized by Melgoans - a group that was formed to showcase our Goan culture and language in the absence of any takers amongst a few Goan organizations in Melbourne. In order to accommodate the larger numbers attending this year, the gala event will be held at the Springvale City Hall, Springvale. The occasion will be celebrated at two Venues! The "young at heart" will be entertained in the main hall by "Joe Fernandes and his Soul Mates - an 8 piece live band" while the young ones will be entertained at the annexe hall by "A. Pros' Light & Sound", a Professional DJ with the latest music that they find when they visit the clubs. Goans throughout the world will join Melbournian Goans to commemorate this event which marks the celebration of achieving recognition of our very own language Konkani as our 'Mai Bhas' in Goa and in Melbourne where the group of Goans associated with this event do not hesitate to talk and promote Konkani. The theme for this year is "Proud villages of Goa". The past 5 World Goa Day events have proven to be the medium for old friends and new Goan arrivals in Melbourne to come together, enhance the Goan unity, leave aside any differences and showcase their culture to their fellow Australians. It is a venue to soak up Goan hospitality, share a special culture, and enjoy the mouthwatering Goan cuisine In addition to the live band which will include a large repertoire of music, attendees will be regaled with a big bracket of live Goan music. And to top it up, for the first time in Melbourne we will have our very own Goan Elvis Presley Floor show that will win everyone's hearts. If you have friends or relatives in Melbourne, kindly inform them of this event. Enquiries about the evening can be made with Oscar Lobo on 03 9563 9918 or 0404 848 345 or with any one of the contacts mentioned on the attached flyer. Thank you Warm Regards Oscar C. Lobo COORDINATOR WORLD GOA DAY Where Passion ignites culture
Re: [Goanet] Air India Express Dubai-Goa flights soon
HOPEFULLY THESE FLIGHTS WILL NOT BE CANCELLED LIKE LAST MONTH. VIVA GOA Schubert D'silva
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Jimmy's Bungalow etc
hi don't know when the land was sold. but i do remember that i had gone to the house to drop a demo car there. was working for san motors in verna, may be 2002-03. unfortunately was not able to go inside. just had to hand over the key at the door. always wanted to go there as heard a lot about it as being a "mysterious house" was told at that time that the landscaping alone had cost 1 crore & there are about 52 staff staying there all year round. owner stays may be for 7 days in a year. this was about 5-6 years back. the angle from where the photo is taken is, as if taken from the prison?? correct??? the chapel pic is the one on candolim- calangute road. regards aaron
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Yesterday's Goa -- communidades, landlords, Desais and inheritance
Thanks to FN for sharing and to the author for the painstaking efforts on translation to get this book to us. This book contains wealth of information about our varied past ! I could obtain it from Crossword book shop. Regards, - Milind Kamat
Re: [Goanet] Appending professions before names
Hi Marshall, Notwithstanding Miguel's long answer to your question and winding explanation of the whole subject, a short and correct answer would be that it is a hangover from the days of Portuguese governance. In those days, professionals had their professions prepended to their names. Valmiki or Paulo Colaco-Dias who knew those days well could confirm and perhaps explain the rationale. Some other European nations do likewise. When in Holland and Switzerland, I saw plaques outside medical doctor's offices saying "Mr . Bachelor of Medical Arts. In the USA lawyers are referred to as "Edward Jones Esq.". In the UK the 'Esq' is appending to squires and gentlemen. In India, some people still mail letters as Marshall Mendonca Esq. - from the days during British rule when every gentleman was politely addressed as esquire and every man was deemed a gentleman. Oh for the days when civility was the norm. Letters in Portuguese in Goa were addressed as Exmo. Sr. This form of address is still used in the Portuguese speaking world. See this little jewel I came across: http://familyresearchlibrary.com/pubs/36341_LWGPortuguese.pdf Regards, Roland. Exmo Sr Roland Francis :-) Toronto +1 (416) 453.3371 On 8/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been observing one pecularity particular to goans i.e. appending their > professions before their names eg. Advocate..., Engineer ..., Architect > Besides of course the sundry doctors whether of medicine or philosophy or > plain honorary. No where in the rest of India is there such a standard > practice except for doctors which is understandable. Can someone throw light > about this practice? Is it a way to display class or superiority?Generally > those who cannot command respect demand respect by displaying their > qualifications in matters not connected with their subject. > > Regards, > > Marshall > -- Roland Francis Toronto +1 (416) 453.3371
Re: [Goanet] Books from Goa ... some options available
Hey Frederick, Trust you are well. Although not very active, I do read most of the Goan news coming in including Britto net. I'm going to Goa in August as usual. I would like to have a look at the hard copies of the books highlighted in coulor. If it is what I'm looking for I will surely go for it. Cheers Reginaldo Snapshots of Indo-Portuguese History - I Pangim (Vasco Pinho) Snapshots of Indo-Portuguese History - II Rise and Demise of Estado da India (Vasco Pinho) The Career and Legend of Vasco Da Gama (Sanjay Subrahmanyam)
Re: [Goanet] Books from Goa ... some options available
Hi FN A quick suggestion on saving postage for books sent abroad - PRINTED MATTER AIR MAIL REGISTERED POST is an effective and cost saving postal service for books. Maybe, you are already using this - if not , do try it out. Saves a lot of money for book buyers!!! Best wishes, Rock Furtado, New Delhi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ritanabooks.com
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Textbook wars come to Goa... and howdoour politicians respond?
Anthony, Ponder over the following words by M G. 'WE MUST BE THE CHANGE THAT WE WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD' And, Everything will fall in perspective. rgds floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "AF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Textbook wars come to Goa... and howdoour politicians respond? Listen... we have enough GOA clubs and organizations,, world-wide, all promoting supposed goan-culture through dances, entertainement and what not. In Toronto, same thing dances and dances. Not my style, i say, because Goan culture, the essence of being a goan, is and has always been chistianity and portugues culture. Therefore, when an Indian-based parish priest visting our church in Toronto, passionately decries, during his Sunday sermon from the pulpit, the murders, harrasment and the intolerances practiced against the priests, sisters and christian followers in certain states in India, by the two Hindu organizations, RSS and another, ( referring them as the cultural wings of the BJP ), we, in the church listened with attention. I say it is time that the goan in foreign countries do more about this discrimination. i would join a group that expressed goan in its true form, without hatred to any religion, extreme tolerance of all, and proud indian, yet proud goan. I lament that these clubs seem more interested in funding entertainment than promoting christianity and konkanim and football. anthony
Re: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina, Fodrina
Edward Verdes wrote: Fri Aug 1 13:47:43 PDT 2008 > How come Dr. Barad has not included that third female in his subject line? > Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 02:30:26 -0400 From: "Venantius Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dear Eddie. Allow me to answe this one. > Fodri, as we know, is slang in Konkani for vagina as in Fodri-chya (of the / from the vagina); and would count as Indian. > Mario responds: > Wow!:-)) > Notwithstanding the highly academic and intellectual tangent that this post has taken - which has been an education that some of us who are quite familiar with the female anatomy and Goan epithets could have done without - the original post was about the benefits to Goa of Celina and Katrina - NOT Fodrina - buying and refurbishing old and crumbling properties in Goa, which seems to have caused some heartburn in at least ONE Moidekar, and joy to our friend, Pandu:-)) > May many more ***rinas, whether Indian, Italian, English, or some other origin or vintage, buy old crumbling properties in Goa and return these "imarats" to their previously "buland" conditions:-)) > "Khandahar se patha chalta hai, ki imarat buland thi.": Old Indian proverb:-)) >
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
Santosh Helekar wrote: > 1: I have always believed that a sound critique based on facts is essential to any form of honest discourse. 2: Gilbert fails to recognize what is based on gossip, hearsay and personal opinion, and what is based on fact. 3: He also seems not to recognize the principle of not divulging private information about others in a public forum. > Earlier: Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 4: I did not attend the meeting. 5: I thought Eugene's write up was factual without malice > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:17:40 -0400 From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > and How does he know that the information revealed by Eugene was 'factual'.? > Did he do due diligence. > Just for the record, I spoke for a total of 3 hours and 37 minutes to different individuals in Toronto, asking ALL kinds of questions and counter questions, before I put my post in the form of 12 questions. > Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:24:50 +0530 From: "floriano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I would like to venture into summing up this litany of yours vis a vis Eugene Correia and the Toronto Convention in just one flat sentence: > Gabe Menezes gabe.menezes at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 07:41:56 PDT 2008 > perhaps what Eugene writes is true or perhaps no one wants to dignify Eugene's posts on the subject matter. I have met all the players mentioned and have nothing but respect for their undertakings. > One of the persons elected, to the next Convention, was a defaulter of the Goan Association U.K. and really should have been an ex member. > Mario asks: > Am I missing something, or aren't the people best qualified to engage in discussing the denouement of the recently concluded Goan Convention those who actually attended the conference and those who organized such a complex international event? > And shouldn't those who should listen most carefully to everything being said are those who have stuck their necks out to organize the next one? Your turn in the hotseat will not be long in coming:-)) > If anyone lost their own money in this endeavor because others failed to do their fair share, or pay their dues as agreed, etc. shame on them. > No sooner had the convention ended that I noticed the long knives being drawn to continue old battles and other personality conflicts that may have nothing to do with this conference or the next one, where if some of the participants involving themselves in this surprisingly contentious discussion are true to form, all this will be repeated once again, next year. > They don't refer to it as the Goan crab mentality for nothing. We see it on display on Goanet on a daily basis, so why would it suddenly disappear after such a monumental undertaking as the Toronto Convention? > Regardless of what happened or did not happen in Toronto, I would like to commend all those who must have spent endless personal time at the expense of their normal business and work schedules and families in order to pull of such a complex international convention. Even if there were shortcomings and mis-steps, I'm sure most of them did their best - why would they not after sticking their heads out - but you always see the odd resume padder, or the odd malcontent and piker who does not pay their dues, intentionally or unintentionally. The resume padder should be sidelined and the piker should not be registered at the next convention unless they pay their arrears in full. > If you as an attendee had a very personal and unique problem or inconvenience, get over it. These events are for the benefit of most of the attendees and the people who tend to have a tolerant and positive outlook on life also tend to enjoy such events the most. You will rarely hear from the 99% who had a great time. > My view of such events is that they are great for meeting people and networking, sharing in the pride in ancestry, enjoying the food and fellowship and renewing old ties, and telling tall tales about the giant fishes that got away since last they met:-)) > Meeting and greeting may lead to alliances that may be able to address one or another issue back in the Motherland, but if anyone thinks these conventions can solve a single major problem in Goa, they need to calm down and get right back down to earth:-)) >
Re: [Goanet] goans should stop selling property
That is not true...Now adays there are more enquires everywhere if anybody is selling his property, so they get a 2% cut on the deal they hope to make. I have been flooded with offers from goans. For that matter, I have a 2BR apartment for sale, close to Colva and NO its not ancestral. Bought with my earnings so i have the rights to sell, as I plan to buy land. If any goans are interested do let me know!! hAVE a nICE dAY Seb On 1 Aug 2008 05:08:40 -, jane gillian rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear goanetters, Any goan residing in goa, will be unhappy with goans selling off their property, as this leads to more poverty-stricken goans and also poses a security risk for Goa. Let us listen to concerned goans like Mervyn and others. Our ancestral homes are places of history, where neighbours will tell you about the habits and personalities of your foreparents. These are places where our ancestors, got married, raised children, spent time chatting with the wife and maybe the mistress, played with their children, and worked hard, to give us a better life, etc. What do some goans do with this wonderful inheritance? They just sell it, instead of GIFTING IT TO THEIR CHILDREN . Very sad Regards,
Re: [Goanet] Kuwait's famed "SEBY & THE WINGS" to perform in Kuwait
Hi, You guys look over the horizon, and say the grass is greener yonder, You have old RADIO SERENADER'S BASS PLAYER , in your midst, You should at least acknowledge him, about Seby we have no issues, but do you think he would have stood out without the Band, Look out for the bassist of Radio Serenader's, JOAO SUCCORO DEMELO, he is the one who contributed much to Seby's singing and made him what he is today, Succor has played with the all time greats of India, from Remo,Ronny Pinto, Ronny Menezes,Just to name a few, I believe he contributed a lot Seby becoming a star, regards Ayres deSouza
[Goanet] [Goanet-News] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA
Dears, First of all the news is INACCURATE. Oscar Rebelo has quit neither the GBA nor the Task Force. He has merely announced his resignation as the CONVENER of the GBA. Posts are not important in the GBA, the fulfillment of its three-point agenda is all important. Patricia Pinto resigned as the SECRETARY of the GBA on 31 March, 2008. She is still an active member of the GBA Core Group and till recently of the Task Force support to Oscar. She cannot attend now. If the groom is not attending the nuptials to what use is the Bridesmaid and Flower girl? Of the THREE OBJECTIVES in the Memorandum to the Goa Govt. signed on 18 December, 2006 and sent on 22 December, 2006, the GBA and the people of Goa have achieved TWO, the last one is half way through. The work continues in the GBA. The people of Goa need to continue to support their very own organisation, the GBA. If the people of Goa leave the GBA, the Core Group members can very well go back to their various professions to earn a beter living for themselves. The GBA is NOT a salary paying NGO. We work for free and often spend money from our pockets for more things than travel. The going is going to get tougher still in the coming days. The days for pussy-footing are almost over. It is back to the street cat days and, in the rains, one is also likely to get wet. So who is chicken now? The GT report stated: "GBA would meet at the Caritas Hall, St Inez, Panjim> at 4 pm today, August 2, where Ritu Prasad is likely to make> a presentation on Section 16 and 16A of the TCP Act." The venue is not the only thing that the GT got wrong. If Ritu Prasad was doing the presentation for GBA [which she did at TB Cunha Hall, near Azad Maidan] how can she have resigned from the GBA. Patricia Pinto was very much there ...and is very much with the GBA. Only Oscar has to make his presence felt. He has not resigned from the GBA, no matter who says or writes otherwise. Mog asundi Miguel Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:02:14 + From: michael iglesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When the tough gets going one needs to be tough. Rebello should not have quit but put on the fight, if he is on the right track and for the development of Goenkars ,and this goes out to every Goenkar today , no matter what disaster you face in life , be strong and god fearing , after all the lord has said "Be Still And Strong for I am God"> Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA > > By A Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > PANJIM: Disparate forces with the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA)> have finally > > forced the resignation of its convenor Oscar Rebello.> > Two other > > prominent members of the GBA, Ritu Prasad and> Patricia Pinto, who > > represented Rebello in the Task Force to> prepare the draft Regional Plan > > 2021, have also decided to> stay away from the panel henceforth.> > "I can > > understand people from outside the GBA criticizing> me," said a frustrated > > Rebello, "but when your own people> start labelling you a sell-out, it is > > better to resign."> > The GBA was not agreeing to it."> > The GBA has to arrive to a consensus, Patricia said, adding> that the GBA would meet at the Caritas Hall, St Inez, Panjim> at 4 pm today, August 2, where Ritu Prasad is likely to make> a presentation on Section 16 and 16A of the TCP Act.> > The resignation of the top three members means the GBA will> have to appoint a new set of leaders to represent it on the> Task Force.> > ENDS> ---> Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
[Goanet] Monserrate in - Narvenkar out
I can say just in one line - White collared thief is out and a mafia don goonda is in. Wish all the best for Goa Vinay
[Goanet] Daily Grook #179
DAILY GROOK #179 __ WISHY WASHY __ by Francis Rodrigues voice of the people is never a majority, for all- in the poll- vote alltodi-polltodi! LATEST 2008 CONVENTION PICS: http://2008goanconvention.com/ NEW ALBUMS UPDATED DAILY _
[Goanet] WHAZZUPGOA: Goa Tourism meet
-- Forwarded message -- From: DIRECTOR INFORMATION PUBLICITY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2008/8/6 Subject: Goa Tourism meet GOA TOURISM MEET 2008 As a part of its Centenary Celebrations , the Goa Chamber of Commerce and Industries in collaboration with Travel and Tourism Association of Goa and Department of Tourism, Govt. of Goa has organized a seminar on Tourism in Panaji, Goa on 8th August 2008 at 4.00p.m.. H.E. Dr. S. S. Sidhu, Governor of Goa, has kindly consented to be the Chief Guest at the function. The keynote speakers at the Seminar will include Mr. Jamshed Daboo, Mr. Lenny Menezes, Mr. N.Taher of ASI, Ms. Saltanat Kazi of TERI amongst others. Press is requested to kindly attend the Conference and confirm your participation. -- DIRECTORATE OF INFORMATION AND PUBLICITY. THIRD FLOOR,UDYOG BHAVAN, NEAR AZAD MAIDAN, PANAJI GOA PHONE-0832-2422675 0832-2226047 0832-2426168 FAX 0832-2224211
