[Goanet] Brief thoughts to artists, arts cognoscenti (if any) and writers on art and literature

[Venantius J Pinto]

Corrected!
+++
Altruism is one thing. Sharing, as the word generally implies--is a two way
street, so one must heed the notion of what sharing--the word/the act/the
expectation means. If you learn something from someone--give thanks. Keep
your aesthetic dogmatism to yourselves; and do not expect others to
compromise their lived aesthetics.

Be gracious if the work or endeavors of others, triggers a pulse in your
mind. Its called growth, towards living an egalitarian life. Not merely
talking about being part of an ancient civilization.
++
vjp

Re: [Goanet] Goan saint: Your help is urgently needed

[Pandu Lampiao]

Hey Filomena, George.

One would gladly sign your petition but I feel the church in Roam is a
cr~oked business and has a c*lour biased. JV deserves the honor but
they have been giving it to lesser folks. So why bother. They are on
the slide anyway and I know for a fact that even the Bishop of amchi
Goi is in some sort of distress over the future ( heard he is almost
in a state of depression- not the clinical one).

Would say, stop giving any money to the church in Goa (collection) and
or stop going to the church altogether (and pray one does not pop-it,
or get hitched in a hurry- that would be a dilemma no re?)they
(church) will wake up and take notice. It won't dent their business
but if the press pick it up, they  would be caught with their cassocks
down!!! Now that would work...and the desi press will eat them alive,
trust me. It would be a great way to get our voices raised instead of
being meek and signing petitions!! JV can be sainted by the time you
are on a flight to Dabolim in January!!

Don't get me wrongI am in the ideas and planning business- all
slippery and always cro~ked!

If you go back to some of what Nostradamus *&^*.its almost coming
true no? The flock has doubts (selling chooris-pau to all the lovelies
after Sunday morning service, I know) and even in a
nothing-ever-changes-Goa, people have choices these days!!!

lomena Giese  wrote:
> It is an entirely wonderful thing that George found this fabulous site for 
> this
> Petition.
> We will be collecting signatures for all of the rest of the year 2010 and
> throughout 2011 to honor Blessed Joseph Vaz' 300th death anniversary.
> We hope that everyone will succeed in getting at least 10 signatures each.
>  Please try.
> Please also contact Mangalorean and Sri Lankan friends and send them the
> Petition site.

>
> - Original Message 
> From: George Pinto 
> To: Goanet 
> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:43:26 AM
> Subject: Goan saint: Your help is urgently needed
>
> Extraordinary. In a few hours nearly a hundred signatures! But we need more. 
> It
> would be nice to have 500 signatures to be presented to the Pope. Goans have 
> to
> help themselves, we have to take the lead. Thanks to all who have signed so 
> far.
>
> Be a part of history. Don't miss this opportunity to help a Goan saint achieve
> his rightful honour after 300 long years. If Blessed Vaz is canonized a saint 
> it
> will be due to people like you who helped his cause.
>
>
> Please sign your First AND Last name to the petition.
>
>  http://www.PetitionOnline.com/JosephV/
>
> The 300th anniversary of the death of Blessed Joseph Vaz (born Goa, India) is
> fast approaching on January 16, 2011. Our Joseph Naik Vaz Institute has worked
> to publicize his life and Cause since 1980, when we incorporated in California
> as a 501(c)(3) in the State  of California.  We ask for your support of our 
> new
> Petition to the Pope, His Holiness Benedict XVI, asking that Blessed Joseph 
> Vaz
> be canonized for the 300th anniversary of his death.
>
> Canonizations are in part a result of an outpouring of support from ordinary
> people. The Pope can grant the exception to the miracle for the case of a 
> Martyr
> if enough people show that we care. Your signature to this Petition will help 
> to
> send the people's support to the Pope for Blessed Vaz' long delayed and just
> canonization. Together we can make this canonization happen.
>
> Please sign your First AND Last name to the petition.
>
>  http://www.PetitionOnline.com/JosephV/
>
> 300 years is a long wait for a Catholic Saint and Blessed Vaz could be on the
> verge of being canonized with your support. Please sign the petition and 
> forward
> to your family and friends to sign. All welcome to sign (i.e. you do not have 
> to
> be Catholic).
>
> Please sign your First AND Last name to the petition.
>
>  http://www.PetitionOnline.com/JosephV/
>
> Regards,
>
> Filomena Saraswati Giese and George Pinto
> Joseph Naik Vaz Institute
> www.josephnaikvaz.org
>

[Goanet] Please identify this popular Tiatriste

[JoeGoaUk]

Please identify this Tiatrist
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr5/4901437401/sizes/z/

 

 
joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ 

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa 

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

Re: [Goanet] Indian visa, PIO and OCI

[Eddie Fernandes]

How I wish it was 1910!

Re the state of service offered by the Indian High Commission in London,
feast you eyes on this 1 minute 37 seconds video clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llXH-PLMR4Q 

and there are more like it ...

Eddie Fernandes

=
-Original Message-
From: Frederick Noronha
Eddie, Was this issued in 2010 or 1910? FN


http://www.visitbritain.org/mediaroom/pressreleases/welcome.aspx

Re: [Goanet] Fw: Can José Pereira be anti-Hindu ?

[Ivo]

From: "Santosh Helekar" 
--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Ivo  wrote:


I have taken part in their seminars and spoken in
english, hindi and marathi (my knowledge is only smattering
in these languages, yet I used to prepare with the help of
my students), in favour of religious dialogue, without
falling into a wrong concept of "all religions are
equal"...


Why is "all religions are equal" a wrong concept in a secular country?
**By definition, a secular State respects the religious rights of all the 
citizens. It does not define which religion is better than the other. It is 
left to us to study it in comparative study of religions. Agnostics cannot 
appreciate nor decide this point. Not all routes are equally good, not all 
scientific theories are equally good, not all therapeutic drugs are equally 
good. All religions cannot be equally good. We would not choose any 
religion, without deciding which is good in itself and for us. Even if we 
are born in one religion, we can investigate it. Why is it that so many 
intellectuals have chosen Catholic religion?

Regards.
Fr.Ivo

[Goanet] Goan Voice UK: Daily Newsletter: 17 Aug 2010. Highlights

[Eddie Fernandes]

Goa: Navhind Times. Tri Nation Trio awes music lovers. Photo. 
 
Toronto Star: Death: Francis Xavier  Fernandez. (ex-Karachi). Photo.
 
Goa: CathNewsIndia. Girish Karnad resigns over attack on Jose Pereira.
Photo.  
 
Times of India. Commission will monitor illegal mining in Goa.

You Tube: El Shaddai Charitable Trust. Video. 

Goa: Navhind Times. World Goa Day to be celebrated with Beyond Sight
exhibition

Goa. Herald. Cong leaders plotted to end my political career: Mickky

India: IANS. New British passports only from New Delhi

Le Figaro (France). Medical tourism is doing well in India

Financial Times (UK). Hospitals not the only superbug source

PTI. Russian's overstay in Goa termed as 'offence against nation'

IANS. Kamat's remarks on Nehru, Bandodkar create new row

Goa 365: Video: Churchill's Daughter Valanka to contest Elections from
Benaulim

For full details go to
http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2010/August/2010_August_17.html

Re: [Goanet] Indian visa, PIO and OCI

[Mervyn Lobo]

On 17 August 2010 21:41, Mervyn Lobo  wrote:
>> For some reason those brought up in India are convinced that: 
>> 1) They are important and need to be served before everyone else in the
>> room



Frederick Noronha replied:
> It is possible, just perhaps and hypothetically, that we poor desi-breds
>have a different sense of time? FN
>
>PS: Am I smelling a new caste-system in the making?




FN,
The concept of caste was retired/abandoned by my parents.
50 years ago.


As a result, I have no idea what caste a person standing in a line with me is. 
In fact, I have no idea what caste a person sitting at my dinning table could 
be. I will, however, notice the behaviour of both the guy in the line with me
and the guy sitting at my dining table. 


My comment, above, was on what I have noticed at the Indian consulates.
I have no problems with you introducing caste into the debate.  Most problems,
and especially so in the west, can be solved without any regard to the castes. 
In fact, as mentioned before, there is the possibility that the inefficiencies 
at the Canadian immigration office were solved by Indian contractors.
 
 
The issue here is the inefficiency at the Indian consulates.  So far, it seems 
like the same inefficiency is repeated in the USA, Canada, the UK and Portugal. 
The residents of each of those countries will be used to vastly different types
of govt service. What is common in all these countries is that the 
inefficiencies at the Indian consulates are horrendous.
 
 
Mervyn1225Lobo
 
 
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Re: [Goanet] I didn’t know Zuvemkars are called Be nddekars.. JoeGoaUk

[Alfred de Tavares]

 

> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:30:35 +0530
> From: linkenfernan...@gmail.com
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet] I didn’t know Zuvemkars are called Benddekars.. JoeGoaUk
> 
> Joe wrote:
> 
> I didn’t know Zuvemkar were known as Benddekar
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlxkFHhkxIs
> 
> All I knew was Cansalkar Chor
> Venekar Boil
> Moddgonvkar Undir
> Bannalkar Pixe
> Vascokar Makodd
> etc
> __
> 
> I am curious to know how the list continues.
> If Joe, or anyone else who knows, could
> complete the series, and also
> mention their source, please? Thanks.


Adenda:

 

Lotlekar -- Bokde/goats

Raikar -- Vag/tigers

Curtorcar-- Sun'nim/dogs

 

The cognoscenti in the matter pls add on

 

On to you my yester Moidecar buddy, Tony de Sá

 

Chacha
  

[Goanet] : EKVOTT: Global Goans Unity ......lets JUST DO IT ! ...

[renebarreto]

>
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>   STOP the FIGHTing !! AT LEAST for ONE 
> DAY 
>. WORLD GOA DAY !! 
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>From: lino dourado 
>To: renebarreto 
>Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 7:17:37 AM
>
>Subject: EKVOTT: Global Goans Unity (Dear Rene, send to all Goan related 
>websites) Thanks
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>  PROUD TO BE GOAN 
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>> EKVOTT
>>iF you are unable to read in TRUE CLOUR , please visit BLOG :
>>http://worldgoaday2010.blogspot.com/
>>GLOBAL GOANS UNITY
>> 
>>Gõykarano zaiat zage, Goem gillunk bhaile vag aileat jive
>>Lhan punn, sobit Goem girasunk darant amchea porki zaleat ube
>>Onat ami zaunchea adim, mogan fuddem vorumia ekvottache bhavtte
>>Bharotachea nokxar, Konknni ami, doxim zaunchem nhoi  toplear kantte
>>Amche modem futt ghalunk, bhailea lokache hat zaleat ghott kotte
>>Lhasun tancho nas korun dakoi-ia, Gõykar ami nant mhunn ektte.
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>>Agostachi vis tarik, Konknni bhas, Bharotan ghetli atthve vollerin bhagak
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>>Tum ani hanv ekuch Konknni avoyche put, duspot amche modim naka
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>>Lino B. Dourado
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>>... 
>>but they 
>>JUST DO IT  !
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>>TOGETHER for Goan and Goans wherever they may be ... for a better Goan 
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>>rene barreto
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>>WORLD GOA DAY 20.8.2010 WORLD KONKANI DAY
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[Goanet] UAE ::Soccer tournament organized by United Goans Dubai - WORLD GOA DAY

[goan...@yahoo.co.uk]

UAE ::Soccer tournament organized by United Goans Dubai  - WORLD GOA DAY 




Benedict Lobo:

UAE: All Goa Intervillage Soccer Tournament to start from 20th Aug.
www.radiogoa.netIntervillage  soccer tournament organized by United Goans Dubai 
will start from 20th August 2010.A day celebrated as the World Goa day by the 
Goan Diaspora the World over. 

The following matches are scheduled as  follows.20/8/2010 Friday Holders
GEI Aldona will take on Vanxim Divar at 5 pm  and at 6 pm ... 






TOGETHER we putting back UNITY into our Global Goan commUNITY !! 
YOU too can be a part of it , the choice is all YoUrS : 

rene barreto

Goanworld : http://worldgoan.blogspot.com/
WORLD GOA DAY 20.8.2010 WORLD KONKANI DAY

  WORLD ALLIANCE OF GOAN ASSOCIATIONS 
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Re: [Goanet] Caste and Creed

[Nascy Caldeira]

Santosh, (the pretender Agnostic)

Why should I tell anyone, anything. I have written to the Forum. 

Vasant has delared he does not believe in caste and or casteism, he is just 
born into it. He is a good man.. I accept that. 

But U Santosh the twister has made no such declaration. Why? because U are a 
Casteist?
Or are you a Sudhir masquerading as a brahmin or neo brahmin?

I am not particularly interested in what U are. I am interested in forging a 
Casteless Society in India. And as for me, I am who I am. Not a Casteist!
A concerned Indian for the welfare and freedom of the masses from Dominating 
Castes.

I hope YOU will do likewise.

Nascy Caldeira

--- On Wed, 18/8/10, Santosh Helekar  wrote:
> Nascimento,
> 
> I know the truth. I think it hurts you, not me. Why are you
> afraid to tell Vasant and Sameer that truth about yourself?
> Can you please answer my question for them?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Santosh
> 
> --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Nascy Caldeira 
> wrote:
> >
> > Santosh,
> > No need to respond to U here. U are gone off track,
> as
> > usaual.
> > The greatest Twister of facts on Goan cyber forums. Do
> U
> > know how to do the "TWIST". If not please learn and do
> it;
> > that way the forums will be rid of your faulty logic.
> Hah
> > hah!
> > I think U are finding that 'the truth hurts'!!! I hope
> it
> > hurts very badly.
> > Sabash!
> > Nascimento.
> > 
> 
> --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Nascy Caldeira 
> wrote:
> >
> > Santosh,
> > No need to respond to U here. U are gone off track,
> as
> > usaual.
> > The greatest Twister of facts on Goan cyber forums. Do
> U
> > know how to do the "TWIST". If not please learn and do
> it;
> > that way the forums will be rid of your faulty logic.
> Hah
> > hah!
> > I think U are finding that 'the truth hurts'!!! I hope
> it
> > hurts very badly.
> > Sabash!
> > Nascimento.
> > 

Re: [Goanet] Can José Pereira be anti-Hindu?

[icsouza]

Dear Santosh,
A secular state does not give preference for any religion, all religions are 
equally respected. The religious rights of every citizen are respected. The 
secular state cannot say that "all religions are equal". Being an agnostic, you 
will not be able to appreciate this point, since all religions are 
superstitions for you.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo

 Santosh Helekar  wrote: 
> --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Ivo  wrote:
>
>I have taken part in their seminars and spoken in
> english, hindi and marathi (my knowledge is only smattering
> in these languages, yet I used to prepare with the help of
> my students),  in favour of religious dialogue, without
> falling into a wrong concept of "all religions are
> equal"...
>

Why is "all religions are equal" a wrong concept in a secular country?

Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet] Fw: Can José Pereira be anti-Hindu?

[Ivo]

From: "Frederick Noronha" 
* Can a believer in a monotheistic religion be compelled to believe
that "all religions are equal"?
* In what way is a secularism (where the State is expected to be
neutral to all religions) related to the belief that "all religions
are equal" or otherwise? --FN
**Dear Frederick, You are right. The secular State cannot judge about the 
value of religions, but it respects equally all religions. All religions 
cannot be equal. All routes cannot be equal, therefore, we choose the best 
way for us. All routes lead to Rome, but how careful are we to choose them? 
All routes lead to Houston, Texas, but how careful is Santosh to go to his 
new motherland, USA? All scientific theories cannot be equal, therefore, 
some are discarded. The State is not a judge of the worth of religions. 
Experience and reason, together with sincere study (comparative study of 
religions), will tell us about the worth of religions. Agnostics cannot 
appreciate this point. For Santosh, all religions are "superstitions". No 
wonder, he does not practise any religion, even Hindu religion, which he 
seems to defend in all its components (both plus and minus points). Science 
alone is his guide in life. Every issue is assessed in the light of Science, 
interpreted according to his own materialistic worldview. We respect his 
personal opinion. Let him not impose it on us on the public Forum.

Regards.
Fr.Ivo

On 17 August 2010 20:40, Santosh Helekar  wrote:


Why is "all religions are equal" a wrong concept in a secular country?
Cheers,
Santosh



--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Ivo  wrote:

I have taken part in their seminars and spoken in
english, hindi and marathi (my knowledge is only smattering
in these languages, yet I used to prepare with the help of
my students), in favour of religious dialogue, without
falling into a wrong concept of "all religions are
equal"...

[Goanet] Can Jose Pereira be anti-Hindu?

[U. G. Barad]

In his comments, Fredrick Noronha asks two questions:

* Can a believer in a monotheistic religion be compelled to believe that
"all religions are equal"?

* In what way is a secularism (where the State is expected to be neutral to
all religions) related to the belief that "all religions are equal" or
otherwise?

Answer to 1st question: As far as compelling is concerned, why does Fred
restrict his question to only a believer in monotheism?  Is he trying to
saying that a polytheist should be compelled to believe that 'all religions
are equal'?

Answer to 2nd question.  I would like to suggest that a secular state is one
which does not recognize the communal identity (be it religion, caste, or
whatever) of an individual in its dealings with him/her.  The only
identities that a secular state would recognize is whether the person is
rich or poor, strong or weak.  Identified poor person would get state
assistance in various secular issues (like education, housing, etc.) while a
weak person would be protected from the strong, if the latter tries to bully
him/her.

Best regards,

U G Barad

Re: [Goanet] Fw: Can José Pereira be anti-Hindu?

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Frederick Noronha  wrote:
>
> You seem to be mixing up issues here between what is a
> practical policy for a secular State (particularly one like India) to
> adopt, and what Fr Ivo (as a believer in a monotheistic religion) has
> a right to personally believe if he so chooses.
> 

I am not mixing up issues at all. The extraneous issues were brought into this 
discussion by you. My question is simple, and it applies to a secular country 
as a whole, as I have clearly mentioned, not to Fr. Ivo, to you or to any 
specific individual. Since the statement was made in the context of an 
interfaith dialogue, it is necessary to ask the question I asked from a 
pluralist secular point of view. I do not care about the parochial point of 
view of any particular religion.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet] JULIA ROBERTS BECOMES A HINDU BUT WHAT IS HER CASTE?

[Cajetan Alvares]

PAKLEM BAMON

[Goanet] Goa news for August 18, 2010

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ontrolled Vedanta Group to use its iron-ore mining subsidiary
Sesa Goa's cash to buy a part of Cairn India has got a ...
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*** Analysts slam deal valuation, say investors short-changed -
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*** Shocked Karnad resigns from Goa's Golden Jubilee panel -
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*** Russian's overstay in Goa termed as 'offence against nation'
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*** Varsities ink MoU on pharma education - Times of India
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Re: [Goanet] Indian visa, PIO and OCI

[Frederick Noronha]

Eddie, Was this issued in 2010 or 1910? FN

Frederick Noronha
+91-9822122436
+91-832-2409490



On 17 August 2010 23:51, Eddie Fernandes  wrote:

> UK Advisory issued 11th Aug. 2010 by Visit Britain.
>
> Guidelines on the etiquette to be observed while dealing with foreign
> visitors
>
> Be tolerant if Indians at first seem impolite, noisy and impatient. This is
> partly the result of living in chaotic cities and environments. They
> usually
> appreciate orderliness when they see it...
>
> Full text at
> http://www.visitbritain.org/mediaroom/pressreleases/welcome.aspx

[Goanet] Brief thoughts to artists, arts cognoscenti (if any) and writers on art and literature

[Venantius J Pinto]

Altruism is one thing. Sharing, as the generally word implies--is a two way
street, so heed the notion of what sharing--the word/the act/the expectation
means to you. If you learn something from anyone say something. Keep your
aesthetic dogmatism to yourselves; and do not expect others to compromise in
their lived aesthetics.

Be gracious if someone else' endeavors, triggers a pulse in your mind. Its
called growth, and living an egalitarian life. Not merely talking about
being part of an ancient civilization.


venantius j pinto

Re: [Goanet] Indian visa, PIO and OCI

[Eddie Fernandes]

UK Advisory issued 11th Aug. 2010 by Visit Britain. 

Guidelines on the etiquette to be observed while dealing with foreign
visitors 

Be tolerant if Indians at first seem impolite, noisy and impatient. This is
partly the result of living in chaotic cities and environments. They usually
appreciate orderliness when they see it...

Full text at
http://www.visitbritain.org/mediaroom/pressreleases/welcome.aspx

===
-Original Message-
From: Frederick Noronha
>It is possible, just perhaps and hypothetically, that we poor desi-breds
>have a different sense of time? FN

PS: Am I smelling a new caste-system in the making?

Re: [Goanet] Fw: Can José Pereira be anti-Hindu?

[Frederick Noronha]

On 17 August 2010 23:00, Santosh Helekar  wrote:

> Why is "all religions are equal" a wrong concept in a
> secular country?

You seem to be mixing up issues here between what is a practical
policy for a secular State (particularly one like India) to adopt, and
what Fr Ivo (as a believer in a monotheistic religion) has a right to
personally believe if he so chooses.

I've made my point. Gnight. --FN

[Goanet] OFFTOPIC: Two Churchills (of possible interest to ex-Africanders)

[Frederick Noronha]

Winston Churchill is remembered for leading Britain through her finest
hour — but what if he also led the country through her most shameful
one? What if, in addition to rousing a nation to save the world from
the Nazis, he fought for a raw white supremacy and a concentration
camp network of his own? This question burns through Richard Toye’s
superb, unsettling new history, “Churchill’s Empire” — and is even
seeping into the Oval Office A British prison camp in Kenya in
1954, during the Mau Mau uprising.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/15/books/review/Hari-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

Frederick Noronha
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+91-832-2409490

Re: [Goanet] Indian visa, PIO and OCI

[Frederick Noronha]

On 17 August 2010 21:41, Mervyn Lobo  wrote:

>
> For some reason those brought up in India are convinced that:
> 1) They are important and need to be served before everyone else in the
> room


It is possible, just perhaps and hypothetically, that we poor desi-breds
have a different sense of time? FN

PS: Am I smelling a new caste-system in the making?

Re: [Goanet] United we Stand. . . .

[Frederick Noronha]

Kitem zalem? FN

Frederick Noronha
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+91-832-2409490


On 17 August 2010 22:09, Dan Driscoll  wrote:

> Went to see this English Translation of a Teatro, at Kala Main Auditorium
> this Aug 17th evening; and pleased to see that Mr. Thomazino Cardozo was
> favored with a Full House. Nice work on the part of all, and especially Lead
> Ladies and Set Design.
>
> With my two dozen Konkani words and phrases I'm always fascinated by the
> interogative 'What Happened?'---heard so often from real 'Koncars' when
> using English. Not a bad Title for Mr. Thomazino's next English Show. . .
> what would be the rendition in Konkani?
>

Re: [Goanet] Fw: Can José Pereira be anti-Hindu?

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Frederick Noronha  wrote:
>
> * Can a believer in a monotheistic religion be compelled to believe
> that "all religions are equal"?
> 

Nobody can be compelled to believe anything in free secular democracy. But 
people have the freedom to persuade others to believe or not to believe, and 
peacefully convert them to their own beliefs or lack thereof.

>
> * In what way is a secularism (where the State is expected
> to be neutral to all religions) related to the belief that "all
> religions are equal" or otherwise? --FN
> 

In a secular country the state is supposed to treat all religious beliefs as 
equal, and not look favorably upon any particular set of beliefs. So back to my 
original question again. 

Why is "all religions are equal" a wrong concept in a secular country?

Cheers,

Santosh


 

[Goanet] United we Stand. . . .

[Dan Driscoll]

Went to see this English Translation of a Teatro, at Kala Main Auditorium this 
Aug 17th evening; and pleased to see that Mr. Thomazino Cardozo was favored 
with a Full House. Nice work on the part of all, and especially Lead Ladies and 
Set Design. 

With my two dozen Konkani words and phrases I'm always fascinated by the 
interogative 'What Happened?'---heard so often from real 'Koncars' when using 
English. Not a bad Title for Mr. Thomazino's next English Show. . . what would 
be the rendition in Konkani?

Re: [Goanet] Indian visa, PIO and OCI

[Mervyn Lobo]

Eddie Fernandes wrote:
RESPONSE:
I could fathom some reasons, in London anyway ...

One is asked to apply for the doc. in person by noon and collect it on the
same day after 4 pm.  So I handed in my passport at 11.45 and return at
4.20. There has been a delay and the mob is not just impatient but irate. At
about 4.30 the docs arrive at a counter.  The crowd surges forward, many
demanding preference because they know  or they were assured by 
that they could jump the waiting queue.  The beleaguered clerk refuses to
give them priority so they surround the counter and make it difficult for
others to get to it as the numbers are called.  What is more frustrating is
that these numbers are called at random and the din in the room makes it
difficult for those at the back to hear so everyone has to rush to the
cage...




Eddie Fernandes,
It takes two to tango.

For some reason those brought up in India are convinced that:
1) They are important and need to be served before everyone else in the room
or
2) That without a contact they are never going to get service at a govt office


Every time I go to the Indian consulate, the people misbehaving are those
from India. Just last week I was at a Canadian immigration office and all the 
people of Indian origin there where relaxed, waiting patently for their turn. 
The Canadian immigration office experience was as frustrating as most
govt offices tend to be but one thing is assured, everyone gets treated 
equally. 


I am willing to bet that the Canadian immigration offices uses consultants
based in India to improve their services. Lately, I have noticed
that the Indian govt is offering some superb services online and is getting 
better with its delivery.  


I feel that the real problem at Indian consulates is the psyche of those
bred in India. They have been conditioned to expect the worst from
govt servants.


Mervyn1225Lobo

[Goanet] Fwd: Videosnippets of Centre for science and environment (CSE) regional workshop on Coasts at Goa University

[Dr.Nandkumar Kamat]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Dr.Nandkumar Kamat 
Date: Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:19 PM
Subject: Videosnippets of Centre for science and environment (CSE) regional
workshop on Coasts at Goa University
To: goanet 


Centre for science and environment (CSE) regional workshop on Coasts at Goa
University



CSE , New Delhi ( visit http://www.cseindia.org/) founded by eco crusader
late Anil Agarwal which publishes the very informative environmental
advocacy magazine ‘Down to earth’ (check http://www.downtoearth.org.in/) and
does a service to the world by operating  an information packed
environmental portal (visit http://www.indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/ ) ,  led
by the dynamic director , Padmashree Ms. Sunita Narain in association with
GUJ organized a two day workshop for journalists on Coasts and Coastal
communities at the conference hall of Goa University, on Aug. 13 and 14
which had a good response.

Here are some videosnippets of concluding function on Aug.14. Some more
videoclips would be uploaded soon.



Part I of speech by Goa Chief minister Mr. Digambar Kamat


http://www.youtube.com/user/nandkamat#p/u/10/lEPH5mVe4OY



Part II of the speech by Goa CM Mr. Digambar Kamat where he mentions about
special status to Goa and Pandit Nehru.


http://www.youtube.com/user/nandkamat#p/u/31/ZnOK0TTL1PQ



Part I of concluding remarks by eminent scientist, Padmavibhushan Dr. M.S.
Swaminathan (he is remembered for the Ecodevelopment Task force report 1982
appointed by central Planning commission, which had forwarned the ecological
disasters in Goa way back in 1982. The report was not fully implemented but
had guided RP-1986-2001)




http://www.youtube.com/user/nandkamat#p/u/30/tsY4rQl6tnQ




Part II of Dr. Swaminathan’s remarks


http://www.youtube.com/user/nandkamat#p/u/29/2HbjzF8tgUo




-- 
Dr. Nandkumar Kamat, GOA



-- 
Dr. Nandkumar Kamat, GOA

[Goanet] Fw: THE NEW DEAL (INDIAN STUDENTS IN AUSTRALIA)

[Ruby]

"E DeSousa",
Please ask your questions on Goanet.  
RubyGoes


--
From: "E DeSousa" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:49 AM
To: 
Subject: THE NEW DEAL (INDIAN STUDENTS IN AUSTRALIA)


any natives still left?

[Goanet] Bicholim students boycott classes, demand for a teacher

[samir umarye]

-- 
Samir Umarye

BICHOLIM Aug 16: Around 200 students of a Bicholim School went on
strike demanding for a teacher. School students of a state which
boasts of highest literacy rate have to come to the streets to demand
for a teacher is an irony of sorts!

Students of Government High School Kudchirem boycotted their classes
on Monday to protest against the lackadaisical attitude of the
authorities in providing them a teacher and other basic facilities.
The agitating students demanded that an English teacher be appointed
at the earliest and that the dilapidated school building be repaired
as early as possible. The students have determined to continue the
agitation till their demands are fulfilled. It is pertinent to note
that the examination for the English paper was not held as there is no
English teacher.

It may be recalled that the government high school Kudchirem is facing
acute problems as the students do not have their own school building
due to which classes are conducted in the premises of primary school
building, the strength of the teachers to accommodate around 200
students from std. Vth to Xth is also low, the school has no
mathematics, history and English teacher. The examination for the
English subject was also not held as there is no teacher to teach
English. There are only nine teachers for this school who are striving
hard to make the students learn however, the adjustment becomes very
difficult.

“The education department was informed about the existing state of
affairs time and again but in vain, due to which students were
compelled to take this step” said the PTA president Sawlo Gaonkar. One
of the parent Kishore Gaonkar also accused the education department
for the rural students from getting educational facilities. The
students today shunted slogans like “appoint required teachers”,
“provide basic educational facilities” etc there by expressing total
concerned over the attitude of education department.

Meanwhile, opposition leader Manohar Parrikar who was informed about
this issue by the school PTA has assured to brought this matter before
the director of education. At present there are 15 students for SSC
who are likely to face acute problems before facing their examination.

It is understood that the students have to go to government high
school Kerim which is 15 k.m.s from Kudchirem to attend computer
classes which are not conducted in this school due to entering of roof
water into classroom. Some classes are also conducted in the adjacent
old house to accommodate the students. Students and parents have
therefore strongly demanded the education department to look into the
matter as early as possible to safeguard their future.(dg)

[Goanet] Appeal from "St. Anthony's Church ” Karachi Pakistan

[goanint]

>From Denorah Santamaria .,

Please publish.

rene 





Dear Family/Friends,
 
We appeal to you for your contribution in helping our people and our focus is 
specially the children.
 
Your donations in shape of a cheque should be in favor of "St. Anthony's 
Church” Karachi Pakistan and you can also contribute in cash. 
An official receipt from St. Anthony's Church will be sent to you.
 
A camp is being set up in the church premises and we will be collecting the 
following items that are required urgently.
 
Water
Milk
Biscuits
Dates
Quilts
 
God Bless
Marshall & Lovita Fernandes, Debbie & Nassy Santamaria
Gerry & Marie Anna Croning, Rosalind & Gavin D'Lima
 
OO
  

rene barreto

Goanworld : http://worldgoan.blogspot.com/
WORLD GOA DAY 20.8.2010 WORLD KONKANI DAY

  WORLD ALLIANCE OF GOAN ASSOCIATIONS 
==

[Goanet] Sri Rama Sene men target Mysore pub - Bangalore - India (HINDUTVA FANATICS)

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hello Ruby, Hello All---
Good ideas, but not as straightforward. This is a clash of values and will
take time to even out. We are in flux. Bless your stars we have not had
purges and revolutions. Look at the countries in the West and see what they
have gone through. We are not special, but largely fortunate overall. The
bouncers too have to go home, and Indian watering holes do have bouncers.
Others can take it from here.. but allow me to make a few points.

It is about not being left too far behind and every attempt being made to
reconcile personal fears, attitudes with the changes happening around as
well as making every attempt to benefit politically from such changes. Of
course there are the rare individuals whose "closed-minds: may have nothing
to do with financial gains. It is always a complex of issues, ideas, and who
is more real among any given group everywhere.

Most of us who on any side of any issue, but have an opinion--are living
OUTSIDE of India.

Many of the same who frequent bars today may turn arch-bigots tomorrow,
including the women. Some of those same attackers will have children who
will turn out well, grow up to be successful and also develop a ken about
alcohol--drinking responsibility at pubs in the future. Those same fathers
will be proud of their children--that they drink high class liquor!. What
would one do if one of those attackers becomes a friend, and then one finds
out about his past. .

Lastly all get a grip on your minds. There is a zen saying: If you meet the
Buddha on the road kill him. Worth reflecting upon.

There is lots happening in the places we live in for sure that we could get
agitated about--I mean outside of India; unless we are living in
self-contained communities. Most of us are not that fortunate to say the
least.

Best all.

venantius j pinto


> From: "Ruby" 
> To: "GOANET" 
> Subject: [Goanet] Sri Rama Sene men target Mysore pub - Bangalore -
>India   (HINDUTVA FANATICS)
>
> Goanetters,
> In AU we have 'Bouncers' (Licensed) employed at Pubs. Maybe you should step
> up Security at these venues.
> Awfully annoying to have these antisocial elements ruin the evening.
>
> http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_sri-rama-sene-men-target-mysore-pub_1424009
>
> Cheers,
> RubyGoes
>
> --
>

[Goanet] Fermented, yet tasty (Times of India)

[Goanet News]

Fermented, yet tasty
TNN, Aug 16, 2010, 04.09am IST

Amboli is a fermented pancake, sour to taste prepared on a fired clay
tawa. Amboli differs from chulali. The latter being a non fermented
pancake prepared from a ground paste of soaked parboiled rice, salt
and jaggery.

Amboli is prepared by soaking a cup of parboiled rice or raw rice, two
teaspoons of methi seeds and water sufficient to just soak it for 5
hours. Also, a quarter cup of udid dal is soaked separately. All these
ingredients are ground into a thick paste using salt (gaunti mith)
only.

Rice is ground slightly coarse (ravall) in the paste. The combined
thick paste is kept for fermentation in a warm place for 16 -18 hours
till the batter turns acidic and frothy. To prepare a savoury amboli,
ingredients like ginger, tomato, onion, coriander leaves, green
chillies and curry leaves are chopped into the batter after spreading
the pancake on tawa . The proportion of rice to udid dal should always
be 4:1.

As per tradition, a newly married daughter from the Kulmi community is
invited by the mother's family on the day of barshi punav. This
invitation for the guddulya parab is called apovnem. She is supposed
to eat amboli in the morning, have lunch and return back to her
husband's house on guddulya parab. During the guddulya parab only
parboiled rice is used, the udid dal is replaced with vari and finely
cut stems of colocasia (alu). Colocasia provides the yeast required
for fermentation. The udid dal could also be replaced with moong dal
or arrowroot.

Converted Bardezkars in Karnataka soak half a kg of raw rice for three
hours. After draining the water, the rice is spread on a muslin cloth
and completely dried in the sun. It is then powdered with a cup of
udid dal and a tablespoon of methi seeds.

This flour is soaked in water; a red hot amber is inserted and
immediately covered with a lid. The amber is discarded after 3 or 4
minutes. Salt is added and keep for fermentation.

Carbon dioxide produced by micro organisms gives the amboli a velvety
soft texture allowing it to melt in the mouth.

A cup of batter is spread on the tawa. Coconut oil poured from the
sides to avoid it sticking. It is then covered and cooked initially on
high flame for a minute, then at a lower flame for 3-4 minutes on each
side. Lactobacillus present in the batter enhances the process of
fermentation and increases the sourness of the batter.

In Goa only local salt is used in fermented products as it prevents
the growth of undesirable bacteria and in turn encourages the
multiplication of lactobacillus. This property is not found in
fortified iodised salt.

Dr Savita Kerkar of the Goa University has done a comparative study on
local salt and fortified iodised salt using various cooking methods
followed in Goa. She says "the concentration of iodine in local salt
is comparable to fortified iodised salt. Besides, the stability of
iodine in local salt is much higher than that of fortified iodised
salt."

She has found useful minerals like calcium, iron, manganese, zinc and
magnesium in local salt .

Women suffering from low progesterone, high estrogen are advised to
have parboiled rice products, fish, shellfish, karande, coconut, nuts,
fruits, sesame, turmeric, methi seeds, moong sprouts, fermented and
milk based products.

Women with a family history of hirsutism and breast cancer should pay
special attention to their diet.

It is essential that they consume lot of fermented foods and limit the
consumption of excess amount of carbohydrates and completely avoid
poultry products which are obtained from artificial feeds, white
flour-based products, chocolates, alcohol, aerated drinks, tea, coffee
and smoking.

Progesterone deficiency is also responsible for bone loss and osteoporosis.

Amboli is rich in thiamine, riboflavin and contains zero amount of
anti-nutritional factor phytate. The combination of ingredients in
amboli provides all the essential amino acids which are required to
increase progesterone levels. Amboli is to be relished with gatti,
tonak, sambarem, usaal, chutney or nallacho ross.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Fermented-yet-tasty/articleshow/6317045.cms

Re: [Goanet] JULIA ROBERTS BECOMES A HINDU BUT WHAT IS HER CASTE?

[Ariosto Coelho]

Fred, I second your opinion.
Ariosto
Website: 

 
Berating people for the position they've taken would be
condescending, if not worse.

Re: [Goanet] JULIA ROBERTS BECOMES A HINDU BUT WHAT IS HER CASTE?

[Frederick Noronha]

I guess it's always very easy to mock other people's beliefs ...

If Julia Roberts decides to change her religion -- for whatever
reasons, real or perceived -- we need to respect that decision.

Just as nobody (in my view) has the right to dismiss those who changed
their faith, centuries ago, as being "rice christians" or whatever.
They know why they changed their religion (even assuming it was
forceful), and if their descendents choose to continue in it, so be
it. Berating people for the position they've taken would be
condescending, if not worse.

FN

On 17 August 2010 12:13, Ruby  wrote:
> Goanetters,
> http://www.dnaindia.com/opinion/column_dear-julia-roberts_1423112
> This is quite witty.
> RubyGoes

Re: [Goanet] Fw: Can José Pereira be anti-Hindu?

[Frederick Noronha]

* Can a believer in a monotheistic religion be compelled to believe
that "all religions are equal"?
* In what way is a secularism (where the State is expected to be
neutral to all religions) related to the belief that "all religions
are equal" or otherwise? --FN

On 17 August 2010 20:40, Santosh Helekar  wrote:

> Why is "all religions are equal" a wrong concept in a secular country?
> Cheers,
> Santosh

> --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Ivo  wrote:
>>I have taken part in their seminars and spoken in
>> english, hindi and marathi (my knowledge is only smattering
>> in these languages, yet I used to prepare with the help of
>> my students),  in favour of religious dialogue, without
>> falling into a wrong concept of "all religions are
>> equal"...

Re: [Goanet] Fw: Can José Pereira be anti-Hindu ?

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Ivo  wrote:
>
>I have taken part in their seminars and spoken in
> english, hindi and marathi (my knowledge is only smattering
> in these languages, yet I used to prepare with the help of
> my students),  in favour of religious dialogue, without
> falling into a wrong concept of "all religions are
> equal"...
>

Why is "all religions are equal" a wrong concept in a secular country?

Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet] Caste and Creed

[Santosh Helekar]

Nascimento,

I know the truth. I think it hurts you, not me. Why are you afraid to tell 
Vasant and Sameer that truth about yourself? Can you please answer my question 
for them?

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Nascy Caldeira  wrote:
>
> Santosh,
> No need to respond to U here. U are gone off track, as
> usaual.
> The greatest Twister of facts on Goan cyber forums. Do U
> know how to do the "TWIST". If not please learn and do it;
> that way the forums will be rid of your faulty logic. Hah
> hah!
> I think U are finding that 'the truth hurts'!!! I hope it
> hurts very badly.
> Sabash!
> Nascimento.
> 

--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Nascy Caldeira  wrote:
>
> Santosh,
> No need to respond to U here. U are gone off track, as
> usaual.
> The greatest Twister of facts on Goan cyber forums. Do U
> know how to do the "TWIST". If not please learn and do it;
> that way the forums will be rid of your faulty logic. Hah
> hah!
> I think U are finding that 'the truth hurts'!!! I hope it
> hurts very badly.
> Sabash!
> Nascimento.
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 17/8/10, Santosh Helekar 
> wrote:
> > Nascimento,
> > 
> > Can you please explain to Vasant and Sameer why you
> believe
> > Indian cuisine, Indian cooking and Indian attire, such
> as
> > poodvem, lungi, angostor, saadi and kaapod are
> primitive,
> > lowly, uncivilized and unenlightened?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Santosh
> > 


  

[Goanet] Global Goans Unity

[Peter Fernandes]

Goykar bhavano aikat Goykar bhoinanoi aikat
Europak, Amerikek, Portugalak, Afrikak
Goyem soddun gelolea Goykar
Lino babacho avaz kan ukdun aikat
Eka mekachea hatik hath dhorun
Amchem zolmachem Goyem
Vikunk sodtat tancher zhuz mandunk
Ekvottachem bonder hatin gheun
Maie mogan ektaim zayat


Regards
Peter Fernandes

[Goanet] I didn’t know Zuvemkars are called Be nddekars.. JoeGoaUk

[Linken Fernandes]

Joe wrote:

I didn’t  know Zuvemkar were known as Benddekar
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlxkFHhkxIs

All I knew was Cansalkar Chor
Venekar Boil
Moddgonvkar Undir
Bannalkar Pixe
Vascokar Makodd
etc
__

I am curious to know how the list continues.
If Joe, or anyone else who knows, could
complete the series, and also
mention their source, please? Thanks.

[Goanet] Fw: Can José Pereira be anti-Hindu ?

[Ivo]

From: "Ivo" 

Dr. Pereira's 'Epiphanies of the Hindu Gods' are based
entirely on original Sanskrit scriptures, and their imagery
is derived entirely from the most characteristic iconography
of ancient India.
***I have been admiring Dr.Prof.José Pereira from my childhood, when I 
saw
him in the library of Saligao-Pilerne Seminary working from morning to the 
evening. We children were
running to see him going on a cycle, simple, modest, humble, saying: 
"Vaghak pollevunk ayleat-xe distat...".
Yes, he is really a genius: artist, painter, indologist, theologian, 
scholar, polyglot, musicologist, literate, man of culture, expert in 
sanskrit and hindu scriptures.
Suarez (1548-1617). How can he be anti-Hindu, when he wrote about "Hindu 
Theology"? He knows the poet Jayadeva and his poem Gita Govinda thoroughly
well. There is a scene of bathing and stealing of clothes of girls. It is 
a beautiful scene: drama of love. It is poem, therefore it has its poetic 
license. We have something similar  in the biblical book of Song of Songs.

It is love, symbolizing God's love for his people.
The lady who was the spokeswoman of  Hindu Janjagruti Samiti was polite and 
sincere, when she said: "I am not learned...but I have read the scriptures".
How much does she know about Hindu Scriptures? Does she know better than 
Professor José Pereira?
***I have to add that I was quite sympatthetic with Sanathan Saunstha for 
years, when physicians of high calibre were promoting "Science of 
Spirituality" and dialogue among religions. I have taken part in their 
seminars and spoken in english, hindi and marathi (my knowledge is only 
smattering in these languages, yet I used to prepare with the help of my 
students),  in favour of religious dialogue, without falling into a wrong 
concept of "all religions are equal"...
I did admire them. But, of late, I was shocked with the incidents of 
violence... I do not know how to explain them. The founders can have a 
word...

Regards.
Fr.Ivo 

[Goanet] lost friend

[anesimo56]

Dear al

I am looking for my old friend from GOA. His name is NOEL DESOUSA. He 
was Congress Youth General Secretary in Goa in 1970S and based in 
Panjim. Heard that he went to GERMANY.  I would like to know If anyone 
has any information about his whereabouts.


cheers

Anesimo

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 5, Issue 867

[Camillo Fernandes]

From: Goanet News news.goa...@gmail.com

Subject: [Goanet] 1 held for highlighting `garbage menace' issue
(Times of India)
 
1 held for highlighting `garbage menace' issue
TNN, Aug 16, 2010, 03.55am IST
 
MARGAO: Margao police on Sunday morning detained one Anthony D'Silava
who was spreading the "Freedom from garbage" message by seating on the
benches of the Agakhan park, in front of the South Goa Collectorate
building, Margao, to mark the Independence day.
 
D'Silava was released after several NGOs from Salcete took out a
morcha to the police station. Margao town police inspectorSantosh
Desai claimed that Anthony D'Silava was detained to avoid any law
order problem.
 
D'Silava, who hails from Velim, had put up posters with several
slogans. One of the posters read 'God Gave Us Sunshine, God Gave Us
Rains, U Give Us Freedom From Garbage, Don't Watch Goa Going Down The
Drain'. Another poster appealed to the chief minister and public works
department minister `Digambara Digambara Garbegichem Kitem Tori Kara,
Churchill Churchill Ghal More Garbegiche Mill'.
 
Speaking to TOI after his release, D'Silava said "It is taking away
the freedom of even watching the unfurling of the national flag. I was
seating with the message to officials who were supposed to attend the
function. It was for finding a solution for the plastic menace in Goa
and that solution has to come from the higher authorities."
 
"We have plastic bins in villages to collect the garbage. Plastic and
tyres are burnt in the open. The solution has to come from higher
authorities, as money is required to install a garbage plant. If the
question was of a few thousand rupees people would not have asked the
government, they would have contributed to the same. Politicians are
cooking up stories. I am worried about thermocol and plastic garbage,"
said D'Silava.
 
"By detaining me, police has taken away my freedom. We are not
terrorists. I have used the discarded tyres with a message. We in
Velim, Assolna and Chinchinim have used the discarded tyres to put up
signboards which show the roadsigns, village roads etc," explained
D'Silava
 
"I am not associated with anybody and not with any group. It is a
funny thing that police detains a person who wants to spread a message
for a right cause. India is a democratic country and I have the
freedom of expressing myself. So also the police had no right to
snatch away the Indian National Flag, which I was holding. The Indian
Flag act has given me the right." he said.
 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/1-held-for-highlighting-garbage-menace-issue/articleshow/6317015.cms

 

Comments :  Camilo Fernandes

 

It is disgusting to read that Anthony D'Silava who was protesting peacefully 
against garbage nuisance was arrested on Independence day but heartening to 
know D'Silava was released after several NGOs from Salcete took out a
morcha to the police station.Anthony was protesting on behalf of all Goans.

 

 Are we living in a democratic state or a state where freedom of expressionis  
banned.  Is independence only in name as one cant even protest peacefully.  
Ironically the reason given by Margao town police inspector Santosh that 
Anthony was detained to avoid any law and order problem is ridiculous.   In 
what way does protesting and making people aware of the problems facing them 
create law and order problems.   As garbage is a menace faced by all, it would 
be so much better if more people had  join in support in this protest on 
Independence day.   It looks like freedom of expression is just a farce if one 
cant express his opinion.

 

Take the example of  UK, where  there is real freedom of expression as everyone 
has the right to voice and express his opinion.  A few years back, there was a 
large protest in London by supporters of Bill Laden - yes Bill Laden, who were 
openly hailing him as a hero and appreciating what he has done and is doing.  
In any country this protest/demonstration would have been banned but in the 
name of freedom and right  of expression they could carry out this 
demonstration.   


" D'Silava rightly says "By detaining me, police has taken away my freedom. We 
are not
terrorists. I have used the discarded tyres with a message. We in
Velim, Assolna and Chinchinim have used the discarded tyres to put up
signboards which show the roadsigns, village roads etc"

 

Hats off and Kudos to him for taking this step and may more Goans follow his 
example and show the authorities that we mean business and all are united in 
fighting this and other evil in society.

 

Dev borem korum

Camilo Fernandes

 
  

[Goanet] Why controversy?

[U. G. Barad]

Fr. Ivo while concluding his posting on subject titled "Why controversy?"
(Goanet Digest, Vol 5, Issue 863, Message: 11, dated: Mon, 16 Aug 2010)
wrote: "I do admire him. An apology is required. Such an artist,
musicologist, theologian, indologist, polyglot does not deserve such an
ill-treatment".

My response: Fr. Ivo paying his respect to Prof. Jose Pereira is quite
appreciating. It would have been nice if Fr. Ivo was to specify from whom he
expects/expected apology rather than just writing "An apology is required". 

Fr. Ivo's above high-lightened write-up forced me to ask his views on the
painting displayed at:
http://www.newsofap.com/newsofap-6248-25-jesus-christ-with-cigarette-beer-ne
w-delhi-school-testbooks-show-newsofap.html

Hope Fr. Ivo helps my confused mind!

Best regards,

U. G. Barad 

[Goanet] Indian Visa,PIO and OCI

[anesimo56]

Dear all

Indian Embassies are the same anywhere in the world.Most peole employed 
by them are DESI from home and their behaviour does not change.They 
think that they do you a big favour by providing you service for 
exhorbitant fees like the SURRENDER CERTIFICATE for which they charge 
£90. Basically these guys are jealous of al Indians who happen to 
migrate for greener pastures! Some things in India will never change. 
Thats why it is called THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!


cheers
Anesimo

Re: [Goanet] Caste and Creed

[Nascy Caldeira]

Santosh,
No need to respond to U here. U are gone off track, as usaual.
The greatest Twister of facts on Goan cyber forums. Do U know how to do the 
"TWIST". If not please learn and do it; that way the forums will be rid of your 
faulty logic. Hah hah!
I think U are finding that 'the truth hurts'!!! I hope it hurts very badly.
Sabash!
Nascimento.


--- On Tue, 17/8/10, Santosh Helekar  wrote:
> Nascimento,
> 
> Can you please explain to Vasant and Sameer why you believe
> Indian cuisine, Indian cooking and Indian attire, such as
> poodvem, lungi, angostor, saadi and kaapod are primitive,
> lowly, uncivilized and unenlightened?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Santosh
> 
> --- On Mon, 8/16/10, Nascy Caldeira 
> wrote:
> >
> >  Dear Vasant,
> > 
> > U remove the 'serious causes' that are making me point
> out
> > the Bad things Indian, and I will have no reason to
> indulge
> > in pointing them out. OK?
> > 
> > I have said that U and Sameer have mixed up
> deliberately,
> > freedom of religion issues etc, with Caste and
> Casteism
> > practices. Why do U want to confuse and mislead
> readers?
> > I am trying to be objective against these evils in
> Hindu
> > society. U think I enjoy writing about these things?
> NO! I
> > cry when I see such inhumane prejudices are being
> practiced
> > in the Land of my birth.
> > U guys are impervious to this; as U are one of them. 
> > 
> > OR Renounce Casteism and Seperatism now. OK? and
> Redeem
> > yourselves.
> > 
> >  Are U trying to defend the indefensible?
> > Why do U not answer my question:
" What is your choice? 
> > a casteless society with no caste; or a society where
> > everyone is a brahmin, or everyone is a sudhir."
> > 
> >  U have not even attenpted to answer the above.
> > 
> > Until such time that the whole of India is not a
> casteless
> > society, I will campaign for it and take it to the
> world at
> > large, to take action like the world did against
> South
> > Africa against Racism and Apartheid. The Indian
> version is
> > worse, as the same is entrenched for centuries by
> their own
> > people. Indian against Indian.
> > 
> > Nascy.
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 16/8/10, Vasant Baliga 
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Nascy,
> > > 
> > > Hinduism is one of the oldest and most humane
> > > religions-like other religions,it 
> > > has it's faultlines,caste being one of them and
> like
> > other
> > > religions,it has it's 
> > > extremist loonies who discredit the religion.The
> vast
> > > majority of Hindus are 
> > > peaceloving,compassionate and very considerate
> to
> > all.That
> > > will never change- 
> > > inspite of your statements to the
> contrary.India's
> > polity
> > > testifies to that.
> > >  
> > > I have repeatedly said that Caste has no place in
> our
> > > lives-I do not claim any 
> > > caste and it is irrelevant to me-Caste is an
> accident
> > > of  birth and is 
> > > abominable.Our family consider ourselves Global
> > Citizens
> > > with an open mind and 
> > > Caste,Creed  and Religion is of no consequence
> to
> > > us-good and decent human 
> > > beings who respect  one another are.
> > > 
> > > Best Regards
> > >  
> > > Vasant Baliga
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

[Goanet] 'Cong ticket or not, Valanka in the fray' (Times of India)

[Goanet News]

'Cong ticket or not, Valanka in the fray'
TNN, Aug 16, 2010, 04.02am IST

MARGAO: The assembly elections may be two years away but PWD
ministerChurchill Alemao on Sunday sounded the bugle for the battle of
votes opening the election office of daughter Valanka Alemao whom he
once again portrayed as candidate of Benaulim constituency.

Significantly, Alemao made it known, albeit in a veiled comment, that
he may well be scripting a new and dramatic political move in the run
up the elections should Valanka be denied the Congress ticket by the
party high command. He dropped broad hints that if push comes to
shove, he would be compelled to exit from the Congress.

"Congress is a great party, and Sonia Gandhi is a good leader. But in
Goa there are some Congress leaders who act like thorns and create
problems (for me). When these thorns begin to create problems, I am
forced to leave the Congress party. My daughter Valanka will contest
the elections on the Congress ticket. But if she is not given a
Congress ticket, she would still contest on the people's ticket. You
need to have the people on your side to win elections, not the party,
nor the money," Alemao said.

Valanka, addressing the crowd, echoed senior Alemao's assertions. "I
will contest on a Congress ticket. Sonia Gandhi wants women to come
forward and so I am confident she will give me the Congress ticket.
But whether I get the Congress ticket or not, I will definitely
contest the elections," she stressed.

Valanka stated that she decided to plunge into politics on the request
of the people who urged her to "represent us in the state legislative
assembly first and then we will send you to Parliament". She exuded
confidence that her long years of social work would stand her in good
stead at the elections.

Alemao tried to justify Valanka's foray into politics to her natural
inclination towards politics coupled with her attributes conducive to
her political aspirations. "My daughter Valanka knows politics.
Politics has gone into her blood… When I was an MP she would do the
rounds of Parliament and the Supreme Court to listen to the debates."

Valanka spoke in agreement with her father's assessment about her. "My
work will do the talking first and only then you may cast your votes
in my favour," she said.

Stating that the "the people of Benaulim have a place in my heart",
Alemao senior appealed to the people not to fall prey to "falsehoods
that are being spread (about bad condition of roads in the state)" and
assured that all roads in bad condition will soon be repaired. Urban
development ministerJoaquim Alemao too made a forceful pitch favouring
the Congress ticket for his niece. "Valanka will get Congress ticket
200%," said Joaquim.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Cong-ticket-or-not-Valanka-in-the-fray/articleshow/6317029.cms

[Goanet] JULIA ROBERTS BECOMES A HINDU BUT WHAT IS HER CASTE?

[Ruby]

Goanetters,

http://www.dnaindia.com/opinion/column_dear-julia-roberts_1423112

This is quite witty.
RubyGoes

[Goanet] 'Vovllig' - Hyderabad

[Mandd Sobhann]

Mandd Sobhann,
Kalaangann,
Makale,
Shaktinagar,
Mangalore-575 016.
Ph: 0824-2230489 / 2232239
http://www.kalaangann.com/ 


  

[Goanet] Sangodd with Lorna, Com Domnic, Bachaan, Anil, Cameron etc

[JoeGoaUk]

Sangodd with Lorna, Com Domnic, Bachaan, Anil, Cameron etc
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGEquU5a0aQ


 
joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ 

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa 

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

[Goanet] Goan nightingale Lorna and her band

[JoeGoaUk]

Goan nightingale Lorna and her band 

Performing LIVE at Campal
 
Be there!
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr5/4900597087/sizes/l/

 
Supported by Tiatr Academy, Goa Tourism, Aparant, GHRSSIDC, JoeGoaUk etc



joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ 

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa 

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

[Goanet] Our Consulates.

[eric pinto]

  Counter staffers are poorly  paid local recruits.  Most do not possess 
visa/residence documents and depend on the job for continued legal stay in the 
West.
  My OCI card application was accepted online.  A message from Delhi directed 
me 
to the New York  Consulate.  I managed to lose the index number, yet they 
pulled 
out the document in a flash.  Good service.  Eric.





From: Alice Gouveia 

Re: [Goanet] Indian visa, PIO and OCI

[Eddie Fernandes]

From: Alice Gouveia
On the thread of Vivian's D'Sousa's post, I would suggest that 
consulates or embassies should have an information counter with an 
educated "civil servant" to inform the applicants the exact documents 
needed... in Lisbon the people queue on the foothpath ... 
++
RESPONSE:

Agreed, it is very bad PR to have irate PIOs spilling into the streets.  The
situation got so bad in London that corporates like BBC, LSE, etc in
adjacent buildings launched formal protests to the Indian High Commission
(IHC) and new regional visa application centres were created.
 
However, the scenes at the IHC continue to be chaotic as personal visits are
essential to make any kind of enquiry with regard to passports, OCI and PIO
cards, etc. Visitors find the visits frustrating, giving vent to their anger
on hapless, underpaid, over-worked, imported, junior counter staff who have
to be rude as they are under considerable pressure to process the queues
rapidly.

There is a sore need for call centres and/or email communication to deal
with the routine enquires.  Multinationals have call centres, many of the
India-based.  Why cannot the IHC?  The cost could be met by making access
via a premium rate number – 0844 in the UK (5p per min).  It would be
preferable to PIOs to spend a few pence and a few minutes on a telephone
call rather than £s and hours on a personal visit to the IHC. The phone call
would also bring in some revenue to the IHC.
 
If the IHC websites were more user-friendly and enquiries could be made by
email and telephone, it would greatly reduce queues at the IHC and counter
staff there would feel less harassed.

Eddie Fernandes

Re: [Goanet] Indian visa, PIO and OCI

[Eddie Fernandes]

From: Mervyn Lobo
It's the same story in Toronto. You walk into the Visa Section and you are
walking straight into a third world govt office. People sitting on the floor
and when the visa's are released, all at the same time for some unfathomable
reason, everyone rushes to the  cage and starts shouting his name.
+++
RESPONSE:

I could fathom some reasons, in London anyway ...

One is asked to apply for the doc. in person by noon and collect it on the
same day after 4 pm.  So I handed in my passport at 11.45 and return at
4.20. There has been a delay and the mob is not just impatient but irate. At
about 4.30 the docs arrive at a counter.  The crowd surges forward, many
demanding preference because they know  or they were assured by 
that they could jump the waiting queue.  The beleaguered clerk refuses to
give them priority so they surround the counter and make it difficult for
others to get to it as the numbers are called.  What is more frustrating is
that these numbers are called at random and the din in the room makes it
difficult for those at the back to hear so everyone has to rush to the
cage...

The next time I had to face the circus, I handed my passport before noon and
instead of collecting it on the same day I opted to pay for the premium,
online tracking, postal system with next day service. 

Fat hope!  Two weeks later I start trying to make enquiries by telephone but
no one wants to know. I am forced to return to counter before noon and again
to collect it after 4 pm.  Explanation: the staff had no time to post the
docs. No apology. No refund!

Eddie Fernandes

[Goanet] Ponda Shuttlers Badminton Ranking begins on August 18

[Sandeep Heble]

The All Goa Major Ranking Badminton Tournament, organised by Ponda
Shuttlers in association with Sports Authority of Goa will commence on
August 18, at Indoor Stadium, Ponda. All participating Players are
requested to report as mentioned below: On August 18- Under 13(Boys
and Girls): 3.45 pm, Under 16 Boys: 4.30 pm, Under 19 Boys: 5.00 pm
and Mens: 7 pm. On August 19- Ladies(4pm) and Veterans(8 pm).

yours sincerely
Sandeep Heble
Member
Goa Badminton Association
9326129171
BF1, Astral Gardens, Santismo Wado, Taleigao

[Goanet] Videosnippets of Centre for science and environment (CSE) regional workshop on Coasts at Goa University

[Dr.Nandkumar Kamat]

Centre for science and environment (CSE) regional workshop on Coasts at Goa
University



CSE , New Delhi ( visit http://www.cseindia.org/) founded by eco crusader
late Anil Agarwal which publishes the very informative environmental
advocacy magazine ‘Down to earth’ (check http://www.downtoearth.org.in/) and
does a service to the world by operating  an information packed
environmental portal (visit http://www.indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/ ) ,  led
by the dynamic director , Padmashree Ms. Sunita Narain in association with
GUJ organized a two day workshop for journalists on Coasts and Coastal
communities at the conference hall of Goa University, on Aug. 13 and 14
which had a good response.

Here are some videosnippets of concluding function on Aug.14. Some more
videoclips would be uploaded soon.



Part I of speech by Goa Chief minister Mr. Digambar Kamat


http://www.youtube.com/user/nandkamat#p/u/10/lEPH5mVe4OY



Part II of the speech by Goa CM Mr. Digambar Kamat where he mentions about
special status to Goa and Pandit Nehru.


http://www.youtube.com/user/nandkamat#p/u/31/ZnOK0TTL1PQ



Part I of concluding remarks by eminent scientist, Padmavibhushan Dr. M.S.
Swaminathan (he is remembered for the Ecodevelopment Task force report 1982
appointed by central Planning commission, which had forwarned the ecological
disasters in Goa way back in 1982. The report was not fully implemented but
had guided RP-1986-2001)




http://www.youtube.com/user/nandkamat#p/u/30/tsY4rQl6tnQ




Part II of Dr. Swaminathan’s remarks


http://www.youtube.com/user/nandkamat#p/u/29/2HbjzF8tgUo




-- 
Dr. Nandkumar Kamat, GOA

[Goanet] Folds in the Road

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

To Goanet -


http://www.parrikar.com/blog/2010/08/17/folds-in-the-road


Regards,


r

Re: [Goanet] Goan saint: Your help is urgently needed

[Filomena Giese]

It is an entirely wonderful thing that George found this fabulous site for this 
Petition.
We will be collecting signatures for all of the rest of the year 2010 and 
throughout 2011 to honor Blessed Joseph Vaz' 300th death anniversary.
We hope that everyone will succeed in getting at least 10 signatures each. 
 Please try. 
Please also contact Mangalorean and Sri Lankan friends and send them the 
Petition site.

From our website, josephnaikvaz.org:

The Work Of Blessed Joseph Vaz
His missionary work was not colonial, not helped, authorized, associated with 
colonial conquest.
He gained the protection of the Buddhist, non-Christian King of Kandy, Sri 
Lanka.
He used Inculturation as a missionary method. He founded a Catholic 
para-liturgy 
and literature using the two languages and cultures of Sri Lanka, Tamil and 
Sinhalese.
He educated his servant John Vaz, a member of the Indigenous tribe of 
Kunbis, and sent him back to Goa with a letter of recommendation to the 
priesthood.The Portuguese Church Councils had reserved the priesthood for the 
two higher castes.
He founded the miraculous Shrine of Our Lady of Madhu It was crowned in 1924 
and 
is one of the five officially crowned Marian Shrines of the Church, along with 
Czestova, Lourdes, Fatima, and Guadalupe.
He is the first non-European native in modern times to found a Mission and 
Church in a “Third World” country; to found a fully native Catholic Religious 
Congregation; and to be given the official title of “Apostle” (of Kanara and 
Sri 
Lanka) by the Church, for his work in rescuing the Church there. His Indian 
Oratorian Mission is the only fully native, non-European Catholic Mission of 
our 
colonial era.
The Church he re‑founded in Sri Lanka was persecuted and survived isolation 
from 
Rome for 140 years.


- Original Message 
From: George Pinto 
To: Goanet 
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:43:26 AM
Subject: Goan saint: Your help is urgently needed

Extraordinary. In a few hours nearly a hundred signatures! But we need more. It 
would be nice to have 500 signatures to be presented to the Pope. Goans have to 
help themselves, we have to take the lead. Thanks to all who have signed so far.

Be a part of history. Don't miss this opportunity to help a Goan saint achieve 
his rightful honour after 300 long years. If Blessed Vaz is canonized a saint 
it 
will be due to people like you who helped his cause. 


Please sign your First AND Last name to the petition.

  http://www.PetitionOnline.com/JosephV/

The 300th anniversary of the death of Blessed Joseph Vaz (born Goa, India) is 
fast approaching on January 16, 2011. Our Joseph Naik Vaz Institute has worked 
to publicize his life and Cause since 1980, when we incorporated in California 
as a 501(c)(3) in the State  of California.  We ask for your support of our new 
Petition to the Pope, His Holiness Benedict XVI, asking that Blessed Joseph Vaz 
be canonized for the 300th anniversary of his death.

Canonizations are in part a result of an outpouring of support from ordinary 
people. The Pope can grant the exception to the miracle for the case of a 
Martyr 
if enough people show that we care. Your signature to this Petition will help 
to 
send the people's support to the Pope for Blessed Vaz' long delayed and just 
canonization. Together we can make this canonization happen.

Please sign your First AND Last name to the petition.

  http://www.PetitionOnline.com/JosephV/

300 years is a long wait for a Catholic Saint and Blessed Vaz could be on the 
verge of being canonized with your support. Please sign the petition and 
forward 
to your family and friends to sign. All welcome to sign (i.e. you do not have 
to 
be Catholic).

Please sign your First AND Last name to the petition.

  http://www.PetitionOnline.com/JosephV/

Regards,

Filomena Saraswati Giese and George Pinto
Joseph Naik Vaz Institute
www.josephnaikvaz.org

[Goanet] Protect and Preserve Our Land - Matanhy Saldanha in Herald

[roger dsouza]

It is obvious to all the modus operandi of the Goa Government and how either
by acquiring vast tracts of lands or giving away what is not theirs they
have forever sought to change the landscape of Goa, with their vested
interests playing up to destroy Goa. Of course they very smartly use
this term that they've jsut discovered "Development" to justify all their
wicked schemes up their sleeves which actually are anti-people.

Whether  it's acquiring land in Cutbona Velim or other parts of Goa for some
con-schemes, pandering to the Mining Industry or various con-schemes that
Health Minister Vishwajeet Rane has is mind for the Israeli Hospital or
Mauvin Godinho asking for 100,000 square metres of land in his Cortalim
Constituency to treat garbage from 6 villages, all these politicians work
over-time to dispose this scarce and precious land that we have in Goa. The
destruction of Goa's agricultural lands, forest tracks, mangroves, hills,
estuaries and coastal lands continues unabated with the Goa Government
heaping irrevocable and permanent damage to further their selfish
interests.

Matanhy Saldanha's earnest appeal to the Government of Goa echoes the
sentiments of all Goan people who are shocked at the damage and
destruction unleashed on Goa thanks to the insatiable greed of those in
power working in tandem with destructive forces. This is anti-people and
anti-developmental.   Matanhy Saldanhas' article appeared in the Herald.
Read on.
**
*

*
*Protect and Preserve Our Land*
*

*Goa must not give land to central government agencies being privatised,
says *MATANHY SALDHANA*
*

*Chief Minister Digambar Kamat should take immediate steps to prevent large
tracts of land from being transferred to private corporations in future,
whereby neither the government nor the people of Goa will benefit in any
way, even as some individuals with vested interests will end up having the
last laugh.

In the name of national interest and with the best intentions of the state
at heart and mind, the Government of Goa had handed over land to central
government agencies like the Oil and Natural Gas Commission (ONGC). The
Mormugao Port Trust (MPT), on the other hand, took over land that was
occupied by the erstwhile colonial Portuguese regime.

In the case of MPT, instead of working in consonance with the state
government in the best interest of Goans and the country, it has been
functioning as a state within a state, paying scant regard to the laws and
rules of this state. Believe it or not, the MPT does not even bother to take
the mandatory permissions and licenses from the state authorities when it
has to put up constructions. Over and above this, it has the sheer audacity
to object to acquisition of land at Velsao for traditional fishermen, on the
grounds that the area concerned comes within what they claim is their
‘jurisdiction’. The strange thing is that in fact, the government is fully
seized of this matter. It has even been debated at length ad nauseam in the
august Legislative Assembly.

However, what is of much greater significance here is the fact that the MPT
is on its way to be corporatised, as has already been done with the
Jawaharlal Nehru Port (JNPT) in Navi Mumbai. If this happens, then the huge
tracts of land already in MPT’s possession will pass on to a private
corporation thereby denying Goans and even the state government of any
control over it. Worse, the enormous tracts of land and sea area that the
MPT claims as its ‘jurisdiction’ will now become the fief of the private
corporate entity. Therefore, the state government needs to act immediately
to ensure that the MPT retains only as much land as is required for its
operations.
The Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC) also has a large tract of land in
its possession near Betul, which was apparently given to it on lease by the
state government. But, under the disinvestment policy of the Government of
India, the ONGC is slowly being turned into a private entity. In such a
situation, the large tracts of land that were given to the Government of
India undertaking will end up being in the possession of a private
corporation, which once again is not in the interest of Goa and Goans.

The Navy, too, continues to be on an acquisition spree. The State government
is always under pressure to give in to their demand, in the name of national
interest. However, when the Navy keeps poking spokes in any activity aimed
at the State’s benefit, like the expansion of the Dabolim airport (it is
pertinent to note that Dabolim was not a military facility but a civilian
airport initially), it is time for the government to begin some hard
bargaining with the Navy too, in the interest of its citizens.

The adamant attitude of the Navy is visible to the naked eye at Dabolim
already, where the divider along the four lane highway has had to be reduced
significantly, as the Naval authorities would no

[Goanet] THE NEW DEAL (INDIAN STUDENTS IN AUSTRALIA)

[Ruby]

Goanetters,
Here's the deal from now on. Australia's terms.
Can't understand why Indian students want to be in a country which the Indian 
Media newspapers, blogs, television, and politicians, portray as racist.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_closure-of-schools-in-australia-hits-5000-indian-students_1424412

Why don't you come as tourists and enjoy our island. (Keep it short and sweet!)
RubyGoes
SYD AU
(Where it's a beautiful day)

[Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: Half Marathon - Rock 'n' Roll San Jose

[George Pinto]

The annual San Jose (California) Half-marathon will be held Sunday, Oct 3, 
2010. See http://san-jose.competitor.com/. Several Goa Sudharop supporters will 
be running/walking to raise funds for Goa Sudharop.

You can welcome to take part in the race and/or donate to support the 
runners/walkers.

For more information, please contact Acaria Almeida at jarks...@yahoo.com

Thank you for your support.

Goa Sudharop
www.goasudharop.org

[Goanet] Sri Rama Sene men target Mysore pub - Bangalore - India (HINDUTVA FANATICS)

[Ruby]

Goanetters,
In AU we have 'Bouncers' (Licensed) employed at Pubs. Maybe you should step up 
Security at these venues.
Awfully annoying to have these antisocial elements ruin the evening.
http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_sri-rama-sene-men-target-mysore-pub_1424009

Cheers,
RubyGoes

[Goanet] Jayadeva's Poems

[Venantius J Pinto]

Comment on text from the link below shared by Fr.Ivo.
How awesome is this: "mirroring the classical balance between the
transcendent Male and the manifesting Female"? The central idea is one of
submitting to the other, holding the other--not withholding from the other.
A stupendous concept--a way of being and communing. One can and must strive
towards it, although in my opinion, most of us fail at attaining such
balance--essentially not a civic balance but one of entire Being--an
engulfment of minds, persona and spirit.

venantius j pinto

From: "Ivo" 
> (DEL)


>
>(DEL)
>
> It is said that he (Jayadeva) later married Padmavati, a high caste temple
> dancer, and as he wrote his masterpiece the Gitagovinda, Padmavati danced --
> a dynamic play between conception and expression, mirroring the classical
> balance between the transcendent Male and the manifesting Female.
>
>   (DEL)
>
>
>  See http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/J/Jayadeva/index.htm
>
>

[Goanet] Re Re: Caste and Creed

[sameer naik]

Dear Nascy...

i tried to ignore ur ignorant ramblings but u jus dont know when to head home. 
So here goes. 

-sameer

nascy said:

> Dear Vasant,



>U remove the 'serious causes' that are making me point out the Bad >things 
>Indian, and I will have no reason to indulge in pointing them >out. OK?



>I have said that U and Sameer have mixed up deliberately, freedom of >religion 
>issues etc, with Caste and Casteism practices. Why do U want >to confuse and 
>mislead readers?

MY REPLY : this is ur very first commnt on this thread
"I wonder, what caste, U G Barad, R Parrikar. M Parrikar, CM Kamat, and other 
saffron wallahs belong to. And Santosh Helekar, is he of mixed caste?"

By making a personal attack on some of u fav punching bags, it is U (i repeat ) 
U (U = Nascty) who tried to divert from an objective criticism and sought 
shelter behind personal mudslinging.
Also it is U who first referred to any Political person etc. so dont accuse me 
or vasant of digressing. next time pl think bfore u type. i know ur not used to 
thinking, but hey, theres a first time for everything.


>I am trying to be objective against these evils in Hindu society. U >think I 
>enjoy writing about these things? NO! I cry when I see such >inhumane 
>prejudices are being practiced in the Land of my birth.

MY REPLY : objectiv ?? u ??? gimme a breakive already got u on that one.
2ndly is it only hindu society??? why dont u accept responsbility for allowing 
this horrendous tradition in ur own community???
U cry??? am sure u must get a high every time u malign a hindu.forget 
crying...

>U guys are impervious to this; as U are one of them. 

>OR Renounce Casteism and Seperatism now. OK? and Redeem yourselves.

>Are U trying to defend the indefensible?

>Why do U not answer my question: What is your choice? a casteless >society 
>with no caste; or a society where everyone is a brahmin, or >everyone is a 
>sudhir.

>U have not even attenpted to answer the above.

MY REPLY : not attempted to reply?? pl sample thes:
from me : 
1)"it is unfortunate that today it is used by political parties for divisive 
votebank poltics. " mark that i have agreed that it is "unfortunate" 

2)"i agree that this system needs to be eradicated"
self explanatory.



from Vasant :

1) "I can't agree with you more-Hindu India is laughable indeed-the caste 
system isa scourge and a disgrace"

2) "I have repeatedly said that Caste has no place in our lives-I do not claim 
any
caste and it is irrelevant to me-Caste is an accident of  birth and is
abominable.Our family consider ourselves Global Citizens with an open mind and
Caste,Creed  and Religion is of no consequence to us-good and decent human
beings who respect  one another are.

All religions have faultlines and none are flawless,"

So u see nascy both of us have always said no to casteism ,yet , u cal us 
names. Is this fair??


>Until such time that the whole of India is not a casteless society, I >will 
>campaign for it and take it to the world at large, to take >action like the 
>world did against South Africa against Racism and >Apartheid. The Indian 
>version is worse, as the same is entrenched for >centuries by their own 
>people. Indian against Indian.

MY REPLY : this is from an older post:
"It is upto us to unite and fight this menace instead of pointing fingers at 
particular communities blaming them for the mess, or blaming political parties 
as they will always use the caste card , as long as we the electorate allow 
them to do so"

I hope my stand is clear

and i really admire ur spirit of fighting tooth n nail for this issue. I 
suggest u start from ur own community as thats where u have some sort of 
influence i suppose. for our part we are doing are bit. 

>Nascy.

[Goanet] EKVOTT: Global Goans Unity

[lino dourado]

 EKVOTT 

GLOBAL GOANS UNITY

G õykarano zaiat zage, Goem gillunk bhaile vag aileat jive
L han punn, sobit Goem girasunk darant amchea porki zaleat ube
O nat ami zaunchea adim, mogan fuddem vorumia ekvottache bhavtte
B harotachea nokxar, Konknni ami, doxim zaunchem nhoi  toplear kantte
A mche modem futt ghalunk, bhailea lokache hat zaleat ghott kotte
L hasun tancho nas korun dakoi-ia, Gõykar ami nant mhunn ektte.

G õykara, asai tum Europak, Amerikek, Portugalak, Afrikak vo Gulfak
O smitay, sonskruttay Gõychi porampora vortai tum, tujea sangatak
A gostachi vis tarik, Konknni bhas, Bharotan ghetli atthve vollerin bhagak
N oman tumkam soglleank, Konknni khatir zuztole niz Gõykarank
S orat fuddem, purvonzamni dovorlolem girest daiz, fulloun haddpak

U nited we stand, divided we fall, oxi ek Inglez bhaxen mhonni asa 
N iyall kor Gõykara, tujea bhavak sokoll uddounk matui chintinaka
I tihas amcho ekvottacho, bhavponnacho, hem keddnach visrumnaka
T um ani hanv ekuch Konknni avoyche put, duspot amche modim naka
Y eo Gõykara, Goem bostailam, porten bhagaranchem korunk vavrumia

Lino B. Dourado
(Utodd'dekar)

 Mogacheno,
 Dor vorsa Agostache 20ver Sonvsarbhor Konknni somaz Goa World Day monoitat. 
Mhoji kovita somest Goykarank bhettoitam. Ekvott ani mog amche sovem vhaddot 
vochum
Lino
    L
 

 
 
    Lapitt
 http://aitaracheokaskuleo.blogspot.com/ 

[Goanet] HONOURABLE MPs

[John Gomes]

MPs SALARY HIKE
It is reported that the cabinet has decided to defer the unanimously approved 
Parliamentary Bill seeking to hike their own salary from Rs 16,000/- to Rs 
80,000/- and also the allowances!This behaviour cutting across party lines 
starkly shows all that is wrong with our honourable members and the System!With 
inflation,Farmers suicides,hunger deaths and rotting food grains,CWG and many 
scams,the greed exhibited is shocking! In 1996-97 it was reported that the 
political class both at the States and then Centre are kept happy 
at a staggering sum of Rs7, 40,577 crores per annum (CAG Report).That has since 
increased many fold? I cannot believe that right now, in this scenario, they 
are agitating for this RIP-OFF increase! They want parity above Secretaries 
without any connection to work performance or attendance or scams or extra 
curricular illegal activities.
 
They get Rs1000/- for every attendance in Parliament and at Committee 
Meetings.No where in the world do they themselves decide on their own salaries 
and perks and get free electricity,air and railway fares to anywhere in India, 
constituency allowance etc. Also free personalTransport, Accommodation 
mobile/Telecalls that majority of us cannot afford, pension and unimaginable 
perks!They are not employees of Parliament,but volunteers for social service 
and aam admi well being, for which they asked for our votes and not to look 
after themselves first and last no matter the plight of the nation!It is good 
to see at least a few Ministers/MLAs have a conscience to block this Bill.

[Goanet] When Raj Bhavan flies the tricolour and celebrates a Catholic feast (Times of India)

[Venantius J Pinto]

Who was the Governor? Did he walk the lawns daily in his wife-beater
(banyan), rubbing his 'tomach, while chomping on guavas and dried anjeer--so
wanted the pad all to himself. Did he have a lassi-boy following in his
waxing and waning wake too?! Man, Goa stories are worthy of some serious
cartoons! Jeez. This stuff never ends--old temples destroyed, the River
Princess abandoned, Loot, Foot (chase, as well as give the boot) ani Moot
(Fist), Ministers waddling like ducks, squealing like pigs, masticating as
farm animals, barking as dogs, crying slime--ok, thats good enough for now.

Ministerial PR; Are you guys/gals following? Its ok to laugh Yo. May just
toughen you for the years of brutality ahead. I mean, it not as though your
Mistris and you guys take satire too well.


venantius j pinto

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:44:01 +0530
> Subject: [Goanet] When Raj Bhavan flies the tricolour and celebrates a
>Catholic feast (Times of India)
>
> When Raj Bhavan flies the tricolour and celebrates a Catholic feast
> TNN, Aug 16, 2010, 03.43am IST
> (del)
> HistorianPercival Noronha clears the misconception that the chapel is
> open for just one day of the year. " There was a governor some two
> decades ago that kept the Raj Bhavan chapel open only once a year on
> August 15. Now the chapel is open to the public on other days as
> well."
> (del)
>
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/When-Raj-Bhavan-flies-the-tricolour-and-celebrates-a-Catholic-feast/articleshow/6316990.cms
>

[Goanet] On which side is the grass greener?

[Goanet A-C-E!]

On which side is the grass greener?
RON FIDELIS, TNN, Aug 16, 2010, 04.15am IST


Rhymes are back. And such dialogues are even lovelier when they diffuse 
a tense situation in a tiatr. With a cast to die for, Anthony 
Sylvester's `Tum Londonkar vo Goenkar' (Are you a Londoner or Goan) is 
clearly a performance driven one.


State awardee Jessie Dias plays the mother's role to her three sons with 
such intensity that her histrionics drives the audience to smiles as 
well as tears.


Then again, with veteran comedianHortencio Pereira tickling the funny 
bone, this tiatr is entertaining enough.


The story begins with Sipru (Hortencio) receiving his brother Lipru (Ben 
Evangelisto) who arrives from London. He is assisted in the humour 
department with comedian Lippu and Hortencio's real-life nephew Nato who 
plays the third brother - Gabru.


Fatima D'Souza, Sharon Mazarello and Sabina's support to Hortencio's 
comic antics has the audience in splits. Sabina plays an African who 
wishes to settle down in Goa, while Sharon and Fatima are the other 
'foreigners'.


Contrasting lifestyles and cultures between London and Goa is what the 
plot of Tum Londonkar vo Goenkar showcases. What it ends up doing is 
expose several typical reactions of Indians towards the 'white skin' and 
the fascination of going abroad for better prospects.


In his script Anthony Sylvester highlights how Goans usually react to 
outsiders - the migrants and the foreigners. The writer-director ends up 
giving his take on the popular saying `what we want we never have; what 
we have we never want'.


Junior Nelson plays brother to Rosario Botelho, who is a Londonkar with 
a nose-in-the-air attitude.


Junior Nelson, who also renders a political song on the Congress party, 
essays the role of a government servant, while Bhushan plays his wife.


Heated arguments between the brothers revolves around selling ancestral 
homes and property in Goa, and how about many travel to the so-called 
greener pastures in foreign lands and forget their roots back home.


The versatile Aliston and his little brother Aaron play their roles to 
perfection.


The scene when Aaron assures his mother (Jessie) that he would opt to 
stay in Goa with her while her remaining two sons wish to go to the UK, 
is a tear-jerker.


Loaded with cantos, trios, duets and quartets, and some excellent 
improvisation on the trumpet by Theo Alvares, `Tum Londonkar vo Goenkar' 
is undoubtedly a wholesome entertainer.



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/On-which-side-is-the-grass-greener/articleshow/6317056.cms