[Goanet] North East people fleeing Bangalore.

2012-08-17 Thread U. G. Barad

In the article titled “Mystery of the NE exodus: Why Bangalore?” by Lakshmi
Chaudhry Aug 16, 2012
http://www.firstpost.com/india/mystery-of-the-ne-exodus-why-bangalore-419876
.html

gives an impression that it is only from Bangalore that there is an exodus. 
It seems that the author of the article is unaware that there is an exodus
from other parts of India, including Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh.

The author also gives an impression that the people from North East have no
reason to leave their present places, and that perhaps it is rumors created
by the right wing groups that is a problem.  

I must say that I am confused.

Best regards,

U. G. Barad





[Goanet] Song for the day...

2012-08-17 Thread Gabe Menezes
Dean Martinhttp://www.youtube.com/artist/Dean_Martin?feature=watch_video_title
-
Memories are made of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duO-YdmqDfU

g



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.


[Goanet] PANIC FLEEING ASSAMESE

2012-08-17 Thread John Gomes
This is what vote bank politics can do! Rely on migrants who are 
protected and pampered over residents to ensure winning at elections. In Assam  
Congress got a second term, and business as usual to get a third 
term. Immigrants provide cheap labour. It is government and vested 
interests that have subverted the Constitution,dispensed with 
immigration laws etc to stay in power.Using communalism, and permitting 
rabid fanatic organizations to function, politicians have made a mess of the 
whole 
nation! We aught to be grateful to Anna and Ramdev. Their quirks and perceived 
corruption (overlooked so far, but highlighted now) are irrelevant, which is 
what the government uses to deflect from the message! Shoot the messenger, 
forget the message. And we like fools swallow this hook,line and sinker!


[Goanet] Village names

2012-08-17 Thread Bernado Colaco
Interesting history of village names, and since my family  comes from one of 
the villages. But isn't it time to write how to sustain these villages from the 
bharati onslaught. 
 
BC
 
 
 
 
*VILLAGE  NAMES*

* *

By: Radharao F.Gracias

* *

My family has lived for generations in a little village called Calata,
which with Majorda and Utorda constitutes one Village Panchayat and
previously formed the Parish of Mae de Deus. Utorda is now the separate
parish of Our Lady of Lourdes. The etymology of my village, is clearly
apparent, if one looks at the original Konkani names, Khala?ta, Maz?odde
and Utor?de. It simply means lower, middle and upper parts and that is the
lay of the villages, along the Arabian Sea.



Re: [Goanet] Goan Culinary Club kick starts Goan Culinary Festivities in tandem with World Goa Day

2012-08-17 Thread CYRUS TODIWALA
Great start
The rest will follow
All the best


Cyrus Rustom Todiwala OBE DL DBA
Chef Patron
Cafe Spice Namaste / Mr TODIWALA'S Kitchen
16 Pescot Street
London E1 8AZ

T 02074889242


On 16 Aug 2012, at 15:06, renebarreto goan...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 
 
 From - GOAN VOICE UK
 http://www.goanvoice.org.uk
 
 
 
 Goan Culinary Club kick starts Goan Culinary Festivities in tandem with World 
 Goa Day
 http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Details.aspx?id=6069boxid=2302793uid=dat=8/16/2012
 
 
 16 Aug: Herald. Four months after initiating the Goan Culinary Club ( GCC) 
 and as a kick start to the culinary festivities to herald in World Goa Day on 
 August 20 , co founders Odette and Joe Mascarenhas with members declared the 
 Club open to the public, O Coqueiro, one of the first restaurants in Goa 
 serving traditional Goan food… Text + photos. Full Text.
 http://www.goanvoice.org.uk
 
 
 ooo
 
 
 rene barreto 
 
 
 
 Goan Culinary Club - Goa
 email goanculinaryc...@gmail.com
 http://globalgoanculinaryclub.blogspot.co.uk
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 WORLD GOA - KONKANI DAY -20TH of AUGUST, EVERY YEAR.
 GOAN CULTURAL HERITAGE
 DAY 
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[Goanet] The Goan Culinary Club Event at O Coqueiro on the 14th August, 2012

2012-08-17 Thread renebarreto
Global Goenkars !!

I share a post from Joe Mascarenhas …one of the co founders of the Goan 
Culinary 
Club  - GOA.

Please  join me in congratulating Odette and Joe Mascarenhas for putting  up a 
great 
event  at  the O Coqueiro - Goa. 

Odette and Joe have put in a number of hours of dedicated hard work along with 
many 
others  since we set up this club four months ago. These efforts have paid off 
..with the 
presentation of a great show  - and there is much more to come : - 

                                 Thanks …. 

rene 
===




 The Goan Culinary Club  Event at O Coqueiro on the 14thAugust,2012
 00


Four months after initiating the Goan
Cilinary Club, co founders Odette and Joe Mascarenhas with members
declared the Club opens to the public. As a kick start to the
Culinary festivities to herald in World Goa Day on the 20th August, the meet 
was held at O Coqueiro one of the first restaurants
in Goa serving traditional Goan food.

Co founder Odette Mascarenhas
introduced the Panel membersnamely…Master
Chef Urbano Rego, noted historian Maria de Lourdes Costa Brava
Rodrigues. former GM of Taj Joe Mascarenhas son of the legendary Goan
Chef Minguel Arcanjo (Masci), and herself,  who with their
expertise bring to the fore authentic Goan recipes of member
establishments. She explained the objectives of the Club namely 

1. To promote and Preserve Goan cuisine globally…
Recipes
shortlisted are put on a ‘Global’net online and sent to different countries 
with the help of Mr Rene
Baretto (forefather of World Goa Day), so that Goans across the world
could avail of the ‘standardized
recipes’.

 2 .Educating the youth
and help preserve the legacy of our culinary culture … Conducting
classes for students where food writer Odette Mascarenhas gives a
lecturette on the history of Goan cuisine followed by a demonstration
by the Chefs. MES college demonstration was by Mr Sylvester D’Souza
of Sheela Bar and Restaurant followed by a demo for Fr Agnel Catering
Institute by Edia Cotta of Alila Diwa and Don Bosco college students
by Mr Peter Fernandes. 

3.To promote Christmas sweet making in
villages … 

4. To work to ensure quality
ingredients’…tamarind, kokum,
toddy, vinegar, poie, sausages etc are available to be used and
served in all restaurants. 


5.Starred Hotels are working in tandem to promote a ‘corner’
for Goan cuisine. 


6.Star Hotel chefs as well as local
chefs interactwith each other to
gain the right methods and ideas on Goan cooking from each other.
Forgotten preparations like the Samarachi Kodi, Godshem, Aard Maas
etc are brought to .the fore for discussion.  

She also
introduced the members of the club who over the months have worked
tirelessly in forming the platform of learning and participating to
authenticate Goan recipes. Maria de Lourdes Costa Brava Rodriguesthen gave a 
presentation
of the History of food down the ages. Keeping in mind with the themes
of Gen Next involvement with the Club, Joel Gonsalves gave his own
composition of the famous beatles number ‘Yesterday’his lyrics on nostalgic the 
youth were about the Goa of yesteryears.
Followed by impromptu speeches by Shoanan Gonsalves (St Xaviers
College Mapusa), Jinelle and Fatima (Don Bosco College).

There was an
interactive question and answer session on how the Club should now
progress.

The event ended
with happy hour, tambola and traditional Goan delicacies prepared by
Chef Peter Fernandes of O Coqueiro.




rene barreto : 
GOAN CULINARY CLUB -GOA
http://globalgoanculinaryclub.blogspot.co.uk

email:  goanculinaryc...@gmail.com 












WORLD GOA - KONKANI DAY -20TH of AUGUST, EVERY YEAR.
GOAN CULTURAL HERITAGE DAY 
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[Goanet] ARREST THE PRODUCER AND DIRECTOR OF KYA SUPER COOL HAIN HUM FILM

2012-08-17 Thread SHANTARAM NAIK
SHANTARAM NAIK M P

602, BRAHMAPUTRA,

DR B D MARG,

NEW DELHI

9868181344

09422439990

17 th August 2012



  ARREST THE PRODUCER AND DIRECTOR OF KYA SUPER COOL HAIN HUM   FILM



FOR THE FAVOUR OF PUBLICATION



 Mr Shantaram Naik M P  has demanded the arrest of producer and
director of Hindi film Kya  Super Cool Hain Hum for hurting the religious
sentiments of Christian community.



*   While raising the issue during zero hour  in the Rajya Sabha on
Friday,  Mr Naik said that In one of the scenes in the film ,a christian
priest has been shown in bad light and is shown solemnising 'marriage' of
two dogs.***

* *

* Earlier one of the dogs in the film was named as Frakruddin which
name was deleted by the producers.***

*  *A scene shows a priest sprinkling holy water when a bitch and a dog
engage in sexual act. Actor Anupam Kher in the film says Mother Marry said
that his dead mother was a reincarnated as a bitch . There are many other
dialogues which can hurt sentiments of christian community, Mr Naik said.

* *

Mr Naik said that That these scenes has hurt the religious
sentiments of christian community which hails a  priest in high esteem, and
that , a priest is not  only bestowed with serious religious duties , but is
supposed to be guide and philosopher to many members of the community.



 Comedy  certainly is a part of all every society but,  while
presenting comedies in any art form , no one's religious sentiments can be
hurt.  Freedom of expression does not give license to a film producer or
director play with the sentiments of others , much less with religious
sentiments, Mr Naik said.



   The film contains a number of double-meaning filthy dialogues.  he
said he has no objection to them if they have been considered as
permissible by the Censor Board. But, in a movie with this type of
background, showing a christian priest  solemnising 'marriage' of two dogs
is all the more objectionable.



In any case, Producers,directors and others in charge of film production
and distribution should be hauled up under sections 295A and 298 which are
the two main provisions dealing with offences relating to religions,  mentioned
in the Indian Penal Code, MrNaik said.



  Mr Naik demanded that The powers of Union Government of reviewing the
decision of Film Censure Board  should now be restored back by way of
amendment to Cinematograph Act.



However, an  FIR can be lodged by the  Central or any State Government
under the said provisions of the Indian Penal Code and refrain the
producers/ exhibiters from exhibiting the film any further.



Besides, it must be remembered that section 295A is a cognizable offence
and therefore, it is the duty of police machinery to act and arrest the
culprits, Mr Naik said.



SHANTARAM NAIK


[Goanet] Konkani Audio album Kallokh-ak Bhiyenakai SAVIO DE ZUA-Redwood City, California

2012-08-17 Thread Stephen Fernandes
The making of Konkani Audio album  Kallokh-ak Bhiyenakai 
My very first Konkani Audio Album entitled Kallokh-ak Bhiyenakai is in 
the process of being completed shortly Releasing .Featuring the voices of Seby 
de 
Divar, Tomazinho  Irene Cardozo, Alister Miranda, William 
Rodrigues, Roger  Luanna Fernandes, Edsy, Dominic de Tiracol, Avers Pereira, 
Maestro Agnelo Dias, Volley D'Mello, Johnny de Tuem  
Savio Rodrigues. buy your copy Original all over goans music shop and CONTRACT 
: William 9822149577-Photography  Video Filming. 
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/208415_4033387605822_864944177_n.jpg


Re: [Goanet] The Goan Culinary Club Event at O Coqueiro on the 14th August, 2012

2012-08-17 Thread CYRUS TODIWALA
This is fabulous news and i hope this snowballs into a massive international 
phenomenon
have fun and all the best
C

 
 



Cyrus Rustom Todiwala OBE DL DBA

Cafe Spice Namaste  
Mr Todiwala's Kitchen

16 Prescot Street
London E1 8AZ
t. 020 7488 9242
f. 020 7488 9339
www.cafespice.co.uk
www.mrtodiwala.com
www.mrtodiwalaskitchen.com

www.adventuregourmet.com
www.learningforlifeuk.org
www.timeandtalents.org.uk


Follow Cafe Spice Namaste on Twitter: http://twitter.com/CafeSpiceNamast
Follow Mr Todiwala on Twitter: http://twitter.com/MrTodiwala  
CAFE SPICE NAMASTE IS LISTED AMONGST BRITAIN'S TOP 100 RESTAURANTS ANNOUNCED AT 
THE NATIONAL RESTAURANTS AWARDS
KHAADRAAS CLUB- IN-DISCREET TRANSLATION=GREEDY PIGS CLUB= FOR US PARSEES THE 
GOURMANDS CLUB. Enjoy a Parsee Feast every six weeks for just £29.95 per person 
all inclusive.
Have you visited Mr Todiwala's Kitchen at the Hilton near Terminal five?





 From: renebarreto goan...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 17 August 2012, 7:49
Subject: The Goan Culinary Club Event at O Coqueiro on the 14th August,2012
 

Global Goenkars !!


I share a post from Joe Mascarenhas …one of the co founders of the Goan 
Culinary 
Club  - GOA.


Please  join me in congratulating Odette and Joe Mascarenhas for putting  up a 
great 
event  at  the O Coqueiro - Goa. 


Odette and Joe have put in a number of hours of dedicated hard work along with 
many 
others  since we set up this club four months ago. These efforts have paid off 
..with the 
presentation of a great show  - and there is much more to come : - 


                                 Thanks …. 


rene 
===








 The Goan Culinary Club  Event at O Coqueiro on the 14thAugust,2012
 00




Four months after initiating the Goan
Cilinary Club, co founders Odette and Joe Mascarenhas with members
declared the Club opens to the public. As a kick start to the
Culinary festivities to herald in World Goa Day on the 20th August, the meet 
was held at O Coqueiro one of the first restaurants
in Goa serving traditional Goan food.


Co founder Odette Mascarenhas
introduced the Panel membersnamely…Master
Chef Urbano Rego, noted historian Maria de Lourdes Costa Brava
Rodrigues. former GM of Taj Joe Mascarenhas son of the legendary Goan
Chef Minguel Arcanjo (Masci), and herself,  who with their
expertise bring to the fore authentic Goan recipes of member
establishments. She explained the objectives of the Club namely 


1. To promote and Preserve Goan cuisine globally…
Recipes
shortlisted are put on a ‘Global’net online and sent to different countries 
with the help of Mr Rene
Baretto (forefather of World Goa Day), so that Goans across the world
could avail of the ‘standardized
recipes’.


 2 .Educating the youth
and help preserve the legacy of our culinary culture … Conducting
classes for students where food writer Odette Mascarenhas gives a
lecturette on the history of Goan cuisine followed by a demonstration
by the Chefs. MES college demonstration was by Mr Sylvester D’Souza
of Sheela Bar and Restaurant followed by a demo for Fr Agnel Catering
Institute by Edia Cotta of Alila Diwa and Don Bosco college students
by Mr Peter Fernandes. 


3.To promote Christmas sweet making in
villages … 


4. To work to ensure quality
ingredients’…tamarind, kokum,
toddy, vinegar, poie, sausages etc are available to be used and
served in all restaurants. 




5.Starred Hotels are working in tandem to promote a ‘corner’
for Goan cuisine. 




6.Star Hotel chefs as well as local
chefs interactwith each other to
gain the right methods and ideas on Goan cooking from each other.
Forgotten preparations like the Samarachi Kodi, Godshem, Aard Maas
etc are brought to .the fore for discussion.  


She also
introduced the members of the club who over the months have worked
tirelessly in forming the platform of learning and participating to
authenticate Goan recipes. Maria de Lourdes Costa Brava Rodriguesthen gave a 
presentation
of the History of food down the ages. Keeping in mind with the themes
of Gen Next involvement with the Club, Joel Gonsalves gave his own
composition of the famous beatles number ‘Yesterday’his lyrics on nostalgic the 
youth were about the Goa of yesteryears.
Followed by impromptu speeches by Shoanan Gonsalves (St Xaviers
College Mapusa), Jinelle and Fatima (Don Bosco College).


There was an
interactive question and answer session on how the Club should now
progress.


The event ended
with happy hour, tambola and traditional Goan delicacies prepared by
Chef Peter Fernandes of O Coqueiro.







rene barreto : 
GOAN CULINARY CLUB -GOA
http://globalgoanculinaryclub.blogspot.co.uk

email:  goanculinaryc...@gmail.com 






















Re: [Goanet] The Goan Culinary Club Event at O Coqueiro on the 14th August, 2012

2012-08-17 Thread renebarreto
Cyrus .. I am going to make you one of our Patrons to 
promote the idea in UK and other places around the world.
All i will be asking you to do is to invite you to bring together
GOAN CHEFS under the banner of GOAN CULINARY CLUB
- UK 

Let us discuss .. once you are free … I am very keen to see the Video
you have played an active role be  a big success. We - The GCC could
ride on that success !!  Lets get Ravi Vaz involved …. too. 

Regards to Pervin  …. How was your trip to South Africa ?


 









WORLD GOA - KONKANI DAY -20TH of AUGUST, EVERY YEAR.
GOAN CULTURAL HERITAGE DAY 
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0




 From: CYRUS TODIWALA ctodiw...@yahoo.co.uk
To: renebarreto goan...@yahoo.co.uk; Goanet goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 17 August 2012, 9:48
Subject: Re: The Goan Culinary Club Event at O Coqueiro on the 14th August,2012
 

This is fabulous news and i hope this snowballs into a massive international 
phenomenon
have fun and all the best
C

 
 



Cyrus Rustom Todiwala OBE DL DBA

Cafe Spice Namaste  
Mr Todiwala's
 Kitchen

16 Prescot Street
London E1 8AZ
t. 020 7488 9242
f. 020 7488 9339
www.cafespice.co.uk
www.mrtodiwala.com
www.mrtodiwalaskitchen.com

www.adventuregourmet.com
www.learningforlifeuk.org
www.timeandtalents.org.uk



Follow Cafe Spice Namaste on Twitter: http://twitter.com/CafeSpiceNamast
Follow Mr Todiwala on Twitter: http://twitter.com/MrTodiwala  
CAFE SPICE NAMASTE IS LISTED AMONGST BRITAIN'S TOP 100 RESTAURANTS ANNOUNCED 
AT THE NATIONAL RESTAURANTS AWARDS
KHAADRAAS CLUB- IN-DISCREET TRANSLATION=GREEDY PIGS CLUB= FOR US PARSEES THE 
GOURMANDS CLUB. Enjoy a Parsee Feast every six weeks for just £29.95 per 
person all inclusive.
Have you visited Mr Todiwala's Kitchen at the Hilton near Terminal five?





 From: renebarreto goan...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, 17 August 2012, 7:49
Subject: The Goan Culinary Club Event at O Coqueiro on the 14th August,2012
 

Global Goenkars !!


I share a post from Joe Mascarenhas …one of the co founders of the Goan 
Culinary 
Club  - GOA.


Please  join me in congratulating Odette and Joe Mascarenhas for putting  
up a great 
event  at  the O Coqueiro - Goa. 


Odette and Joe have put in a number of hours of dedicated hard work along 
with many 
others  since we set up this club four months ago. These efforts have paid 
off ..with the 
presentation of a great show  - and there is much more to come : - 


                                 Thanks …. 


rene 
===








 The Goan Culinary Club  Event at O Coqueiro on the 14thAugust,2012
 00




Four months after initiating the Goan
Cilinary Club, co founders Odette and Joe Mascarenhas with members
declared the Club opens to the public. As a kick start to the
Culinary festivities to herald in World Goa Day on the 20th August, the meet 
was held at O Coqueiro one of the first restaurants
in Goa serving traditional Goan food.


Co founder Odette Mascarenhas
introduced the Panel membersnamely…Master
Chef Urbano Rego, noted historian Maria de Lourdes Costa Brava
Rodrigues. former GM of Taj Joe Mascarenhas son of the legendary Goan
Chef Minguel Arcanjo (Masci), and herself,  who with their
expertise bring to the fore authentic Goan recipes of member
establishments. She explained the objectives of the Club namely 


1. To promote and Preserve Goan cuisine globally…
Recipes
shortlisted are put on a ‘Global’net online and sent to different countries 
with the help of Mr Rene
Baretto (forefather of World Goa Day), so that Goans across the world
could avail of the ‘standardized
recipes’.


 2 .Educating the youth
and help preserve the legacy of our culinary culture … Conducting
classes for students where food writer Odette Mascarenhas gives a
lecturette on the history of Goan cuisine followed by a demonstration
by the Chefs. MES college demonstration was by Mr Sylvester D’Souza
of Sheela Bar and Restaurant followed by a demo for Fr Agnel Catering
Institute by Edia Cotta of Alila Diwa and Don Bosco college students
by Mr Peter Fernandes. 


3.To promote Christmas sweet making in
villages … 


4. To work to ensure quality
ingredients’…tamarind, kokum,
toddy, vinegar, poie, sausages etc are available to be used and
served in all restaurants. 




5.Starred Hotels are working in tandem to promote a ‘corner’
for Goan cuisine. 




6.Star Hotel chefs as well as local
chefs interactwith each other to
gain the right methods and ideas on Goan cooking from each other.
Forgotten preparations like the Samarachi Kodi, Godshem, Aard Maas
etc are brought to .the fore for discussion.  


She also
introduced the members of the club who over the months have worked
tirelessly in forming the platform 

[Goanet] Powerless and lost-CSE Fortnightly News Bulletin (Aug 17, 2012)

2012-08-17 Thread CSE
Fortnightly News Bulletin (August 17, 2012)


Monsoons. They have been sung paeans to, written and talked about in prose
and poetry, and endlessly ruminated upon. In a year which is reeling from
the effects of another uncertain monsoon, Down To Earth brings you a unique
perspective -- a selection of writers and thinkers from various fields
penning down their views, opinions and knowledge...

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publications: formal releases of 'Into the furnace' (the green rating
report of the Indian steel industry) and 'Excreta matters' (the 71-city
analysis of India's water-sewage management) will happen in the city of
joy, accompanied by panel discussions on both the topics. Read on for the
details and much more this fortnight...



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EDITORIAL: Powerless and lost
by Sunita Narain
==

The power blackout in northern India on two days should not be dismissed or
misjudged. Analysts are jumping to conclude that the crisis was foretold.
They blame delays caused by environment and forest clearance procedures and
demand winding down the regulatory framework so that we can re-energise
ourselves. Their other favourite whipping horse is ‘free’ electricity to
farmers, which is said to be crippling the state electricity boards. These
explanations are naïve and mistaken. India’s power sector does need urgent
reform, but first we need to know what to fix.

Firstly, data analysed by the Centre for Science and Environment clearly
shows environmental clearance is not an obstacle to power infrastructure.
In fact, the pace and scale of clearances given to power plants are a
jeopardy for the environment. In the five years preceding August 2011, 267
thermal power plants adding a total of 0.21 million megawatt (MW) were
cleared—capable of more than doubling the current capacity.

It is also incorrect that green clearances are holding up India’s coal
production. Clearances have been readily given. But the problem is that
Coal India Limited is a monopoly player and sits on 0.2 million ha of mine
lease area, including 55,000 ha of forestland. Its reserves are some 64
billion tonnes, but production lags at only 500 million tonnes per annum.
As a result, every power producer wants a private coalmine and forests can
be dug and destroyed.

Secondly, the matter of ‘free’ power to farmers needs more enquiry. The
recent Report of the High Level Panel on Financial Position of Distribution
Utilities, headed by former auditor general V K Shunglu, finds huge
anomalies in data used to estimate 20 per cent usage by the agriculture
sector. For instance, Jammu and Kashmir, where transmission and
distribution losses (TD) are as high as 70 per cent, estimates that
farmers use 28,000 units per pumpset; in Rajasthan too, where losses are
high, farmers consume 11,000 units per pumpset. But Tamil Nadu, with lower
TD losses of 15 per cent, shows just 5,300 units used perpumpset. The
panel concludes that states hide inexplicable power losses in farmers'
accounts. There is, thus, no reliable estimate of power used by farmers.

However, it cannot be argued that agriculture should get ‘free’ power.
There is no doubt that farming needs to be energy-efficient, and that
‘free’ power adds to the mindlessness in resource use. But if farmers must
pay for power, then the government must account for its price in the cost
of food. Currently, India is caught in a double bind. We need to procure
large quantities of foodgrains to meet the needs of large numbers of
people. The government must keep food production costs as controlled as
possible. But input costs—labour and energy—are increasing. The minimum
support price—which has seen a much-needed increase in recent years—does
not keep up with this cost hike. So, farmers lose out. Free energy to
farmers is not the question. The price of growing food in a globalised and
subsidy-distorted market is.

So, why the power crisis? The reasons are deeply systemic and extremely
worrying, First, there is no doubt that supply is constrained. In the past
some years,governments have built power infrastructure at a feverish pace.
But without much thought. As a result, today, India produces more
electricity than previous years, but all this comes from coal-based thermal
plants. Between April 2011 and June 2012, according to the Central
Electricity Authority, hydro—needed as peaking power—was down by 

[Goanet] Press Note-Meet the Artiste Francisco Almeida alias Shahu

2012-08-17 Thread Tiatr Academy Goa
*Press Note*

*For Favour of Publication*



*Meet the Artiste – Francisco Almeida alias Shahu*



Tiatr Academy of Goa’s monthly programme *‘Kolakarak Bhett’* – *Meet the
Artiste* will be held on Wednesday, 22nd August 2012 at 4:45 pm at Black
Box, Ravindra Bhavan, Margao. The tiatr artiste of this month is Goa's
top-notch musician *Francisco Almeida *popularly known as* Shahu.*
Shahu was born to Pedro Almeida and Caitan Francisca Almeida on
18thJanuary 1975 at Sanjoao Moll Macazana, Salcete, Goa.



He plays various musical instruments like the Drums, Guitar, Saxophone and
Keyboards. He first learnt to play the drums under the guidance of musician
Errol Perry, son of Goa’s Great Musical Legend Chris Perry. Music became
his first love and he was so captivated by the power of music that
gradually as the years passed he learnt to play the guitar, saxophone and
keyboards on his own abilities.



Shahu is based in Kuwait and he is the first Goan musician to play a
one-man band in tiatrs staged in Kuwait. Shahu has performed in tiatrs of
veteran tiatr directors such as Rosario Rodrigues, Prem Kumar, Roseferns,
Philip Almeida, Milagres de Chandor, Menino Mario, Mariano Fernandes,
Menino de Bandar, Pascoal Rodrigues, Anil Pednekar, C.D. Silva, John D'
Silva, Ben Evangelisto etc, apart from all the directors in Kuwait.



Shahu was greatly appreciated for his unique music in Kuwait based director
Jose Rod’s Non-Stop Konkani Drama ‘*Tujem Nanv Vhodd Zanv’* the premiere of
which was held in Kuwait. Planning something innovative, Jose Rod had the
music for his full drama composed, pre-recorded and played on a Synthesizer
instead of being played by a live band with Music Maestro Shahu handling
the same single handedly and efficiently.



In one of his recent performances, Shahu captivated the audience at the
Kuwait Goa Tiatristhanchi Sonvstha (KGTS) Konkani musical entitled
*'Tiatristachi
Molladik Kholla'* held recently at Indian Community School-Salmiya Kuwait.
He led a group of musicians orchestrating on his favorite keyboards as well
as the saxophone.



With his ability to play different instruments, Shahu also leads a band in
Kuwait called 2..S#arp. With 2...S#arp, Shahu's music spans a broad range
of harmonies, from Goan and foreign-inspired music to more modern trends
with mixtures of genres and ethnic elements.



Shahu’s love and passion for the Goan ‘Khells’ (folk plays) brings him to
Goa every year without fail during the Carnival season to play music for
Carnival folk plays.



Shahu has been recognized by various associations/clubs for his immense
contribution to music in tiatrs. The ‘United Club of Utorda’ bestowed on
him the ‘Best Musician Award’ in the year 2008 in Kuwait. In 2010, the
‘Doha Goans Sports Club’ awarded him the ‘Best Musician Award’ in Doha
Quatar. He was also felicitated by The Kuwait Goa Tiatristhanchi Sonvstha
(KGTS) in the year 2010 for his outstanding music.



Dr.Francisco Colaco, eminent cardiologist and art lover from Margao will
render a special song on this occasion. All tiatr lovers are requested to
attend the function.







*  Victor de Sa*

Member Secretary


[Goanet] Your help is requested!!!

2012-08-17 Thread U. G. Barad

FN, I'm not interested in entering debate with you or with anyone in the
Goanet on the message I posted seeking answer to: 'Can anyone define Goan
Identity which most Goans use invariably in writing and while speaking in
public places?'

If you can define 'Goan Identity' please do so. 

Best regards,

U. G. Barad 



Frederick FN Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com on Fri, 17 Aug 2012 wrote:

Dr Barad, Are you suggesting that no such thing exists, or that there is no
unanimity/agreement on how we conceputalise it? On the latter I would agree,
as different segments of society have very different ideas about their
history, culture and traditions. FN





[Goanet] Dishonourable Acts

2012-08-17 Thread Carvalho
Gabe,
Has it ever occured to you that the reason no one responds to your questions is 
because nobody really gives a hoot. People on Goanet think they are somehow 
important. The fact of the matter is, we are all pointless dots on the planet 
sucking up air and filling up space. Some are sucking up more air than their 
fair share talking non-stop nonsense on Goanet. 
 
As to your other question about being barred from Goan Association events, in 
the link below:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2012-July/223280.html
 
you yourself informed the audiences of Goanet that you have been intimated by a 
letter that you are barred from attending Goan Association UK functions and 
declared persona non grata. Or did you forget?
 
No need to explain, we are all aging, doddery and addled.
 
I can give full details of the above decision but then again I'm far too decent 
to do that. I leave that sort of dishonourable act to the people you keep 
company with.
 
Best,
selma


Re: [Goanet] Your help is requested!!!

2012-08-17 Thread Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Dear Uday, Why are you not interested in a debate? Is there no space
for the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method ?

Can you define what it means to be a Hindu? Or a Catholic? There
are different and diverse definitions for each, but that doesn't mean
to say that some shared sense of commonality doesn't exist (even in
might primarily surface on a Sunday morning, Thursday evening, feast
day or when we need to polarise votes for an election).

Because of Goa's peculiar past, we have very differing understanding
of what makes a 'Goan'. It could be argued that the identity is a
product of accidents of history, from Parashuram (and earlier) to the
Portuguese. But then, so is today's modern Indian identity... and
four-and-half (or even just under two) centuries of shared experience
cannot be wished away.

I'm not suggesting a Two Goa theory here ... in fact, even within
religious groupings there are divides of caste, geography, class,
language, etc... But what I'm saying is that we have to (i) accept the
multiplicities while defining this identity and (ii) create space
for The Other, instead of just trying to exclude him/her, something
which we have been great at doing over centuries.

FN
--
FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org
Books from Goa,1556 http://scr.bi/Goa1556Books
Audio recordings (mostly from Goa): http://bit.ly/GoaRecordings

On 17 August 2012 15:49, U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote:
 FN, I'm not interested in entering debate with you or with anyone in the
 Goanet on the message I posted seeking answer to: 'Can anyone define Goan
 Identity which most Goans use invariably in writing and while speaking in
 public places?'
 If you can define 'Goan Identity' please do so.
 Best regards,
 U. G. Barad

 Frederick FN Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com on Fri, 17 Aug 2012 wrote:

 Dr Barad, Are you suggesting that no such thing exists, or that there is no
 unanimity/agreement on how we conceputalise it? On the latter I would agree,
 as different segments of society have very different ideas about their
 history, culture and traditions. FN


Re: [Goanet] Dishonourable Acts

2012-08-17 Thread Jose Colaco
Ah Lord! What PPP redux is this I receive at breakfast time?

Almost like that  a whole generation of Hindus  canard.

I suggest that the writer of the post ( quoted infra ) reads the link she has 
referred us to  Yet again?

Then she might try to locate AGM in that link.

Isn't that the crux of Gabe's post ?

Hanh!

pro bono
jc 



Pardon any Typos. This IPad does some curious auto- corrections


On Aug 17, 2012, at 6:19 AM, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Gabe,
 Has it ever occured to you that the reason no one responds to your questions 
 is because nobody really gives a hoot. People on Goanet think they are 
 somehow important. The fact of the matter is, we are all pointless dots on 
 the planet sucking up air and filling up space. Some are sucking up more air 
 than their fair share talking non-stop nonsense on Goanet. 
  
 As to your other question about being barred from Goan Association events, in 
 the link below:
 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2012-July/223280.html
  
 you yourself informed the audiences of Goanet that you have been intimated by 
 a letter that you are barred from attending Goan Association UK functions and 
 declared persona non grata. Or did you forget?
  
 No need to explain, we are all aging, doddery and addled.
  
 I can give full details of the above decision but then again I'm far too 
 decent to do that. I leave that sort of dishonourable act to the people you 
 keep company with.
  
 Best,
 selma


Re: [Goanet] STATEMENT OF SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO AT HIS PRESS BRIEFING

2012-08-17 Thread floriano
It is sad to note that Eduardo Faleiro and his Congress  were sleeping all 
this while and have just woken up from deep slumber due to not being at the 
helm of affairs  and in the driving seat in Goa. All ideas and commitments 
towards Goa and Goans go to sleep when these guys are DRIVING and come to 
face the reality the moment they are assigned to the back-benches.


The Congress, the BJP and the NCP has forfeited it's right to be in GOA at 
all.

ARE GOANS AWAKE?

floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org


- Original Message - 
From: Eduardo Faleiro lokseva...@gmail.com

To: goanet goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:13 PM
Subject: [Goanet] STATEMENT OF SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO AT HIS PRESS BRIEFING


EDUARDO FALEIRO

Former Union Minister

Raia, Salcette – Goa

Tel : 0832 2777309 Fax: 0832 2776868

Email: lokseva...@rediffmail.com , loksseva...@gmail.com



STATEMENT OF SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO AT HIS PRESS BRIEFING



(August 14, 2012)



Last Friday, in an interview to the media, the Consul General of the
Russian Federation in Mumbai denied the existence of a Russian Mafia
in Goa whilst admitting that some Russians visiting Goa are likely to
be involved in criminal activities. In fact, many Russians, some with
a criminal background, own large properties in Goa in their own name
or benami and have setup restaurants and hotels which often double up
as bases for  illegal drug trade, prostitution, human trafficking and
such  other anti social activities.
The MLA of Mandrem constituency and the present Health Minister, Shri.
Laxmikant Parsekar, is on record as saying at a Gram Sabha meeting at
the Morjim village Panchayat, “these Russians have all kinds of vices
and the moment the Russian tourists come to one place all other
tourists flee from there. Even earlier we had tourists from other
countries but we never had this problem.” Parsekar said that the
volume of Russian tourists in the State had triggered a virtual
cultural invasion in Morjim and surrounding areas and because of their
sheer numbers, the Russians were indulging in “dadagiri” At this
meeting, the Morjim villagers complained of the overbearing and rude
nature of the Russian tourists and demanded that Russian nationals be
barred from carrying on tourist related activities. Two years ago, a
Russian murdered a local taxi driver, Rohidas Shetgaonkar, in this
area. As of today, this Russian roams freely and carries on his hotel
business as usual.



[Goanet] Avocados

2012-08-17 Thread Mervyn Elsie Maciel
Hi Fred,

My own experience while still at school in Aldona was that
avocados didn't do well in our Goa climate. Let me explain -
my maternal grandfather(ex Zanzibar) had an avocado plant(at our Moira
house)
which he had grown, presumably from seed/s he had brought back from
Zanzibar. The plant had grown into a huge tree but we rarely saw any fruit
on it. He often told us about how delicious this fruit was(I'd
never even seen one then!), but it had to be many years later that I
enjoyed 'king-size avocados especially at Kisii in Kenya and also
at my in-laws in Kitale(Kenya).
   Maybe there's someone in Goa who can come up with a more positive story?


Mervyn(M)


[Goanet] Targeting Goa’s slums is a part of bamani conspiracy to hide Bamani infiltration in Communidades

2012-08-17 Thread sebastian Rodrigues

http://www.bharatmukti.blogspot.in/2012/08/targeting-goas-slums-is-part-of-bamani.html


Our (Bamons)
goal is accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon
ourselves
(Bamons).
This prevents them
(Mulnivasis) from seeing the changes as they occur













August 11, 2012 issue of ‘The Goan’ carries a centre spread
story titled ‘Lords of the Slums’ on pages 16-17. It blames politicians of
protecting slums in Vasco, Margao, Cortalim, Dabolim and Mapusa. This weekly 
paper
is published by Fomento Publications. Fomentos also have their interest in
destructive mining all over Goa and are even proved to be using explosives
illegally on the Hiralal Khodidas mine in Colomba while extracting of ore,
tries to convince the readers that people from different parts of India are
illegal occupants on the lands that they occupy since 1970 and 1990. The paper
claims that 70% of Goa’s land is owned by 223 Communidades and communidades are
known as ‘Ganvkaris’, ‘Ganvponn’ that has unique and age-old Collective land
ownership pattern. It also claims that Ganvkaris (Communidades) came into
existence sui juris and prior to creation of State. They were developed by
clearing the jungles and establishing villages, installing their village deity
and introducing private laws. It does tell that this Ganvkaris belonged to
Gawdas and Velip tribes in Goa and that Fomentos along with other mining
companies like Salgaoncars, Chowgules, Dempos, Sesa Goa, Vedanta, Damodar
Mangalji are involved in causing irreversible damage to their habitats with 
their
mining plunder of Goa. It does not disclose that Bamons who have infiltrated on
communidades are invaders from Eurasia and they need to be shown the door.

The weekly paper claims, quoting government data that all together
there are 2,515 illegal constructions on Communidade lands in Goa. Further ‘The
Goan’ is trying to provoke bulldozing of these ‘illegal’ constructions, this
time by quoting Indian Supreme Court judgment in Civil Appeal No. 1132/2011 @
SLP © No. 3109/ 2011 pertaining to unauthorized occupants of Gram Sabha and
Gram Panchayat lands. It is pertinent to note that office bearers and activists
like Nelson Azavedo and Luis de Sousa of Communidade movement have been
repeatedly challenging the legitimacy of imposing Panchayats rule in Goa in
their various presentations at Goa University and other places in Goa, and even
in Court case at Goa Bench of Bombay High Court. If Communidades agree that
their land belongs to Panchayats then they will be negating all that they been
saying publicly since 1997. ‘The Goan’ advocates that Communidade lands be 
declared
as Panchayat lands. It swims against the tide of Communidade Movement in Goa.




The reason for this advocacy is understandable for it is
well known fact that this weekly paper is playing the playing PRO role for BJP
variety of Brahminism and even before this paper was launched its editor played
this role as an editor of ‘oHeraldo’. For Bharat Mukti Mukti Morcha it makes no
difference whether it is BJP variety of Brahmanism or Congress variety of
Brahmanism for we are committed to uproot all varieties of Brahmanism. Every 
Brahmanism
supports Capitalism in India. It is important to keep in mind that Bamons have
long term interest in taking over Communidade lands in Goa, ‘rationalizing’
them and the plans to this effect are already declared in ‘Goa 2035: vision and
road map’. This is a vision of Bamons, by Bamons and subscribers of Bramanism,
for Bamons. Mulnivasis has nothing in it not even mention is made of existence 
of
ST, SC, OBC people. For Bamons we are all erased and no longer exists today and
also in 2035.




‘The  Goan’
deliberately did not explained a the reasons behind the emergence of slums not
only in Goa’s Communidade lands but all over the country. It did not explain
that it is the policies of Brahmanism ushered in on 15 August 1947 onwards that
was responsible for the skyrocketing poverty in India. People living below
poverty line were pegged at around 12 crore in 1947. This number has witnessed
sharp increase and touched 83 crore people whose daily income varies from Rs.
5/- to Rs. 20/-. This is an official government of India data as per Arjun
Sengupta committee report. And there are no Brahmins living in slums, no 
Brahmins
living below poverty line; for they are the rulers of this country and that’s
why all the aboriginal people of India – ST, SC, OBC and those converted from
these categories are the once who are forced to live in poverty due to the well
engineered policies by the State for the past 65 years that witnessed Bamani
rule of Congress and BJP to a great period of time.




Why then ‘The Goan’ only targets
these 2,515 houses? It is due to Bamon’s very own ways of achieving the targets
of decimating mulnviasis ‘Our
(Bamons) goal is accomplished one drop at a
time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves (Bamons). This prevents them 
(Mulnivasis) from seeing the 

Re: [Goanet] Dishonourable Acts

2012-08-17 Thread Gabe Menezes
On 17 August 2012 11:19, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Gabe,
 Has it ever occured to you that the reason no one responds to your
 questions is because nobody really gives a hoot. People on Goanet think
 they are somehow important. The fact of the matter is, we are all pointless
 dots on the planet sucking up air and filling up space. Some are sucking up
 more air than their fair share talking non-stop nonsense on Goanet.

 As to your other question about being barred from Goan Association events,
 in the link below:
 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2012-July/223280.html

 you yourself informed the audiences of Goanet that you have been intimated
 by a letter that you are barred from attending Goan Association UK
 functions and declared persona non grata. Or did you forget?

 No need to explain, we are all aging, doddery and addled.

 I can give full details of the above decision but then again I'm far too
 decent to do that. I leave that sort of dishonourable act to the people you
 keep company with.

 Best,
 selma


RESPONSE: I always thought that you were a bit iffy, you have now confirmed
it to the benefit of all the readers here. Yes I can confirm that I did
receive a letter from the President of the GOA U.K.,  to enlighten you
accepting my resignation; he was bloody minded and informed me that the GOA
UK LTD reserves the right of admission to their functions - yes this is
what they do for all their occasions but he had to specifically inform
me...say no more

You aren't so savvy to note the difference between a proclamation by a
President and a Resolution passed at Ganeral Meeting' of the GOA.  Well I
guess it takes all sorts to make this World! Without people like you,
others would not progress!

As far as your not being dishonourable - the verdict is out and
unfortunately there are many EA Goans waiting to shaft you.

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.


[Goanet] Goa news for August 18, 2012

2012-08-17 Thread Goanet News Service
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** First two rounds at Fatorda - Times of India
eague CEO Sunando Dhar and the Goa Football Association, during
a meeting at the Dempo House in Panaji on Thursday, that Fatorda
would be free to host matches until ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNGqeAW3sdX5BlQYLPyMQmbs5CrrUQurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/First-two-rounds-at-Fatorda/articleshow/15525261.cms

*** Goa restricts teachers attending seminars and functions -
IBNLive.com
NLive.comGoa restricts teachers attending seminars and
functions. PTI 
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNG4XRl4lRtFxLyGr7RR12Rv8WqpYQurl=http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/goa-restricts-teachers-attending-seminars-and-functions/1046117.html

*** Stamp duty: A third of mines on the verge of closure in Goa
- Business Standard
siness StandardOver a third of operating mines in Goa are set to
be closed due to a recent decision by the state government to
levy a 15 per cent upfront stamp duty on the royalty paid by
them. There are only 97 mines currently in operation out of 337
registered with ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEUSCUg0lPHN6CQJy0BAqfa3VKFXgurl=http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/stamp-dutythirdminesthe-vergeclosure-in-goa/483575/

*** 'Sweeney didn't die of drug overdose' - Times of India
mes of IndiaPANAJI: British woman Denyse Carol Sweeney had not
died of drug overdose here in 2010 as initially claimed by the
Goa police, giving credence to her family's claim that she had
been murdered. A senior police official today confirmed they
have received ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFY3TYGIQpmux5Bngw112XCoAJt1gurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Sweeney-didnt-die-of-drug-overdose/articleshow/15539657.cms

*** Goa government says state safe for northeast immigrants -
TwoCircles.net
olice-ask-northeasterners-to-report-threats-if-any/1046163.htmlGoa
police ask North-Easterners to report threats, if any
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFJzUPqxcHBo9We2hLh4fyEnTq_PQurl=http://twocircles.net/2012aug17/goa_government_says_state_safe_northeast_immigrants.html

*** Congress demands ban on 'Kya Super Kool Hain Hum' in Goa -
New York Daily News
ulf-news/al-nisr-portfolio/tabloid-on-saturday/call-to-ban-kskhh-in-goa-1.1062904Call
to ban KSKHH in Goa
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEc_QbIja6uVJhDiXJdnb48Nk5dUAurl=http://india.nydailynews.com/entertainmentarticle/01433cae4b3c1aa10639553f0ba172d4/congress-demands-ban-on-kya-super-kool-hain-hum-in-goa

*** Barges to have tracking  identification systems - Times of
India
ystems-must-for-barges/63273.htmlTracking systems must for
barges
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNGvwXNBBzxHuYJkVtcno2uDZRqnIQurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Barges-to-have-tracking-identification-systems/articleshow/15539708.cms

*** South Goa police beef up security for Eid-ul-Fitr - Times of
India
WI53gM
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNG9TXcDcr5JgIvvOSODNcYaAoBgrgurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/South-Goa-police-beef-up-security-for-Eid-ul-Fitr/articleshow/15539824.cms

*** Congress parliamentarian wants ban on 'Kyaa Super Kool Hain
Hum' - New York Daily News
w York Daily NewsGoa's lone Rajya Sabha MP, Shantaram Naik of
the Congress, Friday reiterated the demand for a ban on the
film, which shows a Christian priest, played by actor Chunky
Pandey solemnising the wedding of a dog with a bitch. A scene
shows a priest ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFJfzN37nmrW0upBX35y9D-ouNu3gurl=http://india.nydailynews.com/entertainmentarticle/d99e8bbe1b34bbad6b399952716de147/congress-parliamentarian-wants-ban-on-kyaa-super-kool-hain-hum

*** Goa University urged to disqualify university class
representatives - Times of India
mes of IndiaPANAJI: A group of students have urged the Goa
University authorities to disqualify the university class
representatives (UCRs), who have failed to submit their audits
in time, stating it would help the poll process for the
university's students ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFGbtH6eesKIRRURcQg49Doi-tiMAurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-University-urged-to-disqualify-university-class-representatives/articleshow/15539653.cms


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php


[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (18Aug12)

2012-08-17 Thread alexyz fernandes

The Legacy Chris Perry
Left behind Glenn Perry
The Jazz Band - 
ESG Hall, Panjim, Sat, Aug 18, 7pm



To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com
Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org 


Re: [Goanet] Avocados

2012-08-17 Thread Jim Fernandes
Yes - they do grow in Goan climate. An adult Avocado tree that I have seen in 
Goa, was upto half the height of a standard coconut tree.

It produced ample fruit, but squirrels get to them before humans do!

Jim F
New York.

--- On Fri, 8/17/12, Frederick FN Noronha *  फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك 
نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Frederick FN Noronha *  फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا 
 fredericknoron...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Goanet] Avocados
 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Friday, August 17, 2012, 5:27 AM
 Does someone know if avocados grow in
 Goa easily? And, more
 importantly, under what conditions do they fruit regularly
 here? FN
...
...



[Goanet] Your help is requested!!!

2012-08-17 Thread U. G. Barad
Frederick, to enter into debate or not is personal choice and my choice is
not to enter in any debate on the question I asked. 

All that I need is the definition of Goan Identity. Would you like to define
this considering your multiplicities and space theory?

Best regards,

U. G. Barad



Frederick FN Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com on Fri, 17 Aug 2012 wrote:

Dear Uday, Why are you not interested in a debate? Is there no space for the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

Can you define what it means to be a Hindu? Or a Catholic? There are
different and diverse definitions for each, but that doesn't mean to say
that some shared sense of commonality doesn't exist (even in might primarily
surface on a Sunday morning, Thursday evening, feast day or when we need to
polarise votes for an election).

Because of Goa's peculiar past, we have very differing understanding of what
makes a 'Goan'. It could be argued that the identity is a product of
accidents of history, from Parashuram (and earlier) to the Portuguese. But
then, so is today's modern Indian identity... and four-and-half (or even
just under two) centuries of shared experience cannot be wished away.

I'm not suggesting a Two Goa theory here ... in fact, even within religious
groupings there are divides of caste, geography, class, language, etc... But
what I'm saying is that we have to (i) accept the multiplicities while
defining this identity and (ii) create space for The Other, instead of
just trying to exclude him/her, something which we have been great at doing
over centuries. FN

On 17 August 2012 15:49, U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote:
FN, I'm not interested in entering debate with you or with anyone in the
Goanet on the message I posted seeking answer to: 'Can anyone 
define Goan Identity which most Goans use invariably in writing and while
speaking in public places?' If you can define 'Goan Identity' please do so.

Best regards,
U. G. Barad

 Frederick FN Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com on Fri, 17 Aug 2012 wrote:

 Dr Barad, Are you suggesting that no such thing exists, or that there is no
unanimity/agreement on how we conceputalise it? On the latter I 
 would agree, as different segments of society have very different ideas
about their history, culture and traditions. FN





[Goanet] avocado

2012-08-17 Thread radharao gracias
Dear Rico,



The avocado seems to grow pretty well in Goa without any particular care. I
have two of the plants in my garden, which began yielding last year but did
not flower this year. I have two neighbours Manuel Godinho and David Dias
both of whom have trees in full yield this year. If you come to Margao you
could just visit the clinic of Dr.Ricardo Telles along Abade Faria Road
where you will find the tree in full fruit. However, it appears that the
trees come as male, female or a combination of both. The former two will
not fruit if grown singly or two of the same type. The same problem is
noticed with nutmegs. Hence, the best option is to go for a graft.



Radharao F.Gracias


Re: [Goanet] Journalist jobs in Canada

2012-08-17 Thread Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
Well said, Jose. That is the reality.
Regards,
Victor



From: J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Journalist jobs in Canada

Frederick Noronha wrote: Dear all: A couple of my journalist friends
(already in Canada) are on the lookout for suitable openings. If you
have any pointers you could offer, kindly get in touch offlist. Many
thanks! FN

Dear FN,

I am almost sure that you advised your journalist friends (perhaps,
they advised themselves) the following:

1: Apply Apply even if there is no reply.
2: For starters, take whatever work which comes your way; even if it
is non-journalism related.
3: The longer one waits without working, the longer one will wait.

jc


Re: [Goanet] Avocados

2012-08-17 Thread Pandu Lampiao
In Salcette, there are avocado trees growing and no fruit, while some
of them bear fruit sporadically.
One hears they require shade and a slightly cooler climate.

Mupca market has avocados on sale (southern side where the
veggies/flower sellers are if I am not mistaken, the chap brings in
exotic veggies); they are the Jamaican (??)  variety (very large) and
are available in Jan-Feb and they come from the North (Himachal??).


On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Mervyn  Elsie Maciel
mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Fred,

 My own experience while still at school in Aldona was that
 avocados didn't do well in our Goa climate. Let me explain -
 my maternal grandfather(ex Zanzibar) had an avocado plant(at our Moira
 house)
 which he had grown, presumably from seed/s he had brought back from
 Zanzibar. The plant had grown into a huge tree but we rarely saw any fruit
 on it. He often told us about how delicious this fruit was(I'd
 never even seen one then!), but it had to be many years later that I
 enjoyed 'king-size avocados especially at Kisii in Kenya and also
 at my in-laws in Kitale(Kenya).
Maybe there's someone in Goa who can come up with a more positive story?


 Mervyn(M)


[Goanet] World Goa Day Celebrations at Nostalgia Restaurant

2012-08-17 Thread Rohan
The following are the links related to the post of World God Day
Celebrations held at Fernandos Nostalgia Restaurant Raia - Goa

View World Goa Day 2012 at Nostalgia  on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FvHZ4qy_U4

View World Goa Day 2012 at Nostalgia  on the Blog
http://fernandosnostalgia.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/world-goa-day-2012-goa-celebrations-at-fernandos-nostalgia-restaurant-raia/


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[Goanet] 102 Year Old Aunty Mary's Funeral on Saturday at 10 am

2012-08-17 Thread augusto pinto
http://www.heraldgoa.in/newscategory/Obituaries/22

Today's newspapers announced the funeral of Maria Conceicao D'Souza or
Aunty Mary as we used to call her. A glance at the obituary notice tells us
she was born on 11 April 1010 and she died on 7 August 2012 which means she
lived to the ripe old age of 102 years. Some record!

Having said that whenever someone wishes me - May you live to be a hundred
- I retort - Why do you want to curse me like this? I have seen too many
octogenarians forget about nonagenarians who live a misery of a life which
is also a misery to their caregivers - (God bless them all). The situation
is one which the aged do not want but cannot do anything about this.

But in Aunty Mary we have an exception for even till a short time before
she died she was fairly well in control of her senses, although age meant
that she could not concentrate for extended periods of time. The final time
I met her she inquired with me about my niece in England whom she was aware
that she was married, she asked about what was happening with the other
portion of her house in Novo Portugal was, and so on and so forth.

In the good old days, from the mid 1970s right up to about the turn of this
century she and Uncle Paul was part of a clique of Novo Portugal folk which
included Laura and Joseph D'Souza and my mother Jasmina among others who
used to gather and pray and chat at the Novo Portugal chapel every evening
when the weather was fine. She is the last of that generation to go.

Sitting there at the chapel, they used to gossip about the 'good old days'
and recount tales about how life was in Africa. She and her husband Paul
lived in Uganda until I think Idi Amin saw to it that they had to leave.

Aunty Mary and Uncle Paul had a lovely parrot they had brought back with
them from Africa. It was called Suku and could speak out a variety of
phrases. After Paul died, her children took her to America and I believe
had to leave it behind when she ultimately came back to Goa when she found
that the place did not agree with her too well.

Aunty Mary had an earthy sense of humour. Here is one anecdote her
neighbour Noel Pinto related to me. He used to tease her about the bad old
days back in Goa; Aunty, how much of dowry did you have to give to get
married to Uncle Paul? he once asked. Quick as a flash she answered: 
Doth?? Humpf!! Don dudi ani ek mudi puro asli!! For those who don't
understand Konkani what she said was: 'We didn't have to give dowry - two
pumpkins and a ring were all that was needed'

I don't think I'll be able to make it tomorrow for her funeral, so my fond
farewell to the grand old lady of Novo Portugal. May her soul rest in peace.





Augusto Pinto
40, Novo Portugal
Moira, Bardez
Goa, India
E pinto...@gmail.com
P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350


[Goanet] Feast of Cabo Chapel, Dona Paula - - Pics, video and comments

2012-08-17 Thread JoeGoaUk
Feast of Cabo Chapel - Pics, video and comments
15.8.12

The feast is unique. Never seen like this before.
More people visited not for the feast but for St. Paula whose grotto lies below 
the Cabo Chapel.
Long Qs are seen with devotees carrying flowers and candles. 
Majority of them were non-Christians including the youth. 
Looks like they come here year after year i.e. on 15th August.

Never heard of this little known Saint Paula nor I know how the devotion first 
started here.
I was amazed to see such a huge crowd and they did not even mind staying in the 
Q 
under the hot sun for more than one hour. So strong must be the devotion, 
probably come down from 
their ancestors. Luckily, it did not rain.

Cabo was open for Public from 8 am and were suppose to leave by 1pm due to 
security reasons. 
But even at 12.45, we saw more and more devotees joining in the Q which would 
take them at least 
1 hour to reach to the grotto which means 1.45pm but all devotees were to leave 
by 1pm, 
don’t know if this was extended by few hours.

The feast of Our Lady of Assumption is also celebrated at the Chapel but there 
seems to be more 
than one statues of Our Lady including Lourdes, Fatima etc. Infact, the 
organisers 
(Cabo Raj Bhavan staff)  even distributed the customary Feast Holy pictures 
(Regist, see pics)  
of Our Lady of Fatima but at the back it says ‘Ugddas Assumpta Saibinniche 
Porbecho Ji Bhettoita 
Raj Bhavanache Kamgar, Raj Bhavan Kopelant’

For customary after feast veneration (Umao), the statue appeared to be of 
Lourdes, see pic

The feast mass lasted more than 90 minutes, saw  Governor joining in during 
Communion 
i.e. last 10 minutes or so,

The chapel being so small, many devotees seen outside chapel both sides.
A provision of customary feast pendal would have been nice so that the devotees 
get protection 
from sun (many seen with inflated umbrellas) . Luckily, it did not rain

Our Cabo Rajniwas is known for entertaining VIPs with cultural programes and 
free meals.
Even during minister’s swearing in ceremony which last say just 15 minutes, 
pendal or Mattov 
are erected within shortest notice.

Drinking water facility could have been also provided on the feast day.  
However, there is an huge annual reception at 5pm today hoisted by Governor.

From the main gate to the Chapel or to the Governor’s official residence, it’s 
about 1 KM walk, 
no vehicles were allowed as the same were to be parked at Helipad (see 
pic/video).

Shuttle Bus services could have been provided to the devotees to and fro chapel 
on the feast day.

Those who came by public transport, had to walk another KM from the Dona Paula 
Circle to the Main Gate.

The whole Cabo area reminded me of another restricted area or another 
Militarily occupation.
Security personnel were all over.

I always wished the Governor’s official residence is relocated to Porvorim 
assembly complex or neaby.
It would be lot cheaper in terms of money spent on security at Cabo.  Moreover, 
public could 
gain unrestricted access to the former Cabo heritage area and its chapel, 
garden and touristic view.

OK here are some pics of the day 

The Chapel
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802458212/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802532828/sizes/l/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802534748/sizes/l/in/photostream/

or visit this blog
http://joegoauk.blogspot.in/2012/08/feast-ot-cabo-raj-niwas-chapel-grotto.html



Video 1 – Feast Mass, Chapel etc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=096dCtkv2PU

video 2 – Long Qs for St Paula’s grotto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQDCHiXgziU

Other pics 

inside the Chapel
Main altar etc
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802468530/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802480656/sizes/l/in/photostream/


the Patron Saibinn
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802483526/in/photostream/


silver candle stands etc
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802475422/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Golden pulpit
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802472108/in/photostream/


Our Lady of 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802477912/in/photostream/

Huge cross 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802485932/in/photostream/

Governor’s residence
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802460660/in/photostream/


Beautiful view of the Arabian sea
Even kids are enjoying the view
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802463026/in/photostream/


Long Q not for the feast Chapel but the Grotto of St.
Paula
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802465338/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802527764/in/photostream/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802487956/in/photostream/

St. Paula or Paulin
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802524380/in/photostream


Feri
Khajem
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk57/7802456130/in/photostream

Another view, protection wall etc

[Goanet] Honourable Acts

2012-08-17 Thread eric pinto


   Termine,  hermanos and irma !
A joy of waking up is Rolly and Selma and Gabe and Merv rocking the boat 
on our list. 
 Cannot say this is simply not fun.  I would wager this conversation would be
civil  if you met in a group, so your well wishers should not shoulder this 
burden.
  We have lost contrbutors in the past to similar causes, leaving us all the 
poorer.
  eric.



From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com
To: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 
1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dishonourable Acts


Re: [Goanet] Avocados

2012-08-17 Thread Gabe Menezes
On 17 August 2012 14:17, Mervyn  Elsie Maciel 
mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Fred,

 My own experience while still at school in Aldona was that
 avocados didn't do well in our Goa climate. Let me explain -
 my maternal grandfather(ex Zanzibar) had an avocado plant(at our Moira
 house)
 which he had grown, presumably from seed/s he had brought back from
 Zanzibar. The plant had grown into a huge tree but we rarely saw any fruit
 on it. He often told us about how delicious this fruit was(I'd
 never even seen one then!), but it had to be many years later that I
 enjoyed 'king-size avocados especially at Kisii in Kenya and also
 at my in-laws in Kitale(Kenya).
Maybe there's someone in Goa who can come up with a more positive story?


 Mervyn(M)


REPLY: Cultivation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Avocado_Seedling.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Avocado_Seedling.jpg
*Persea americana*, young avocado plant (seedling), complete with parted
pit and roots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2005avocado.PNG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2005avocado.PNG
Worldwide avocado output in 2005
Food and agriculture[image:
Avocado.jpeg]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Avocado.jpeg
*Avocado fruit (cv. 'Fuerte'); left: whole, right: in
section**Country**Quantity
(Tm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_ton)*World
Rank[12]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avocado#cite_note-FAO-11
Mexico1,040,3901Indonesia263,5752United States of America214,0003Colombia
185,8114Brazil175,0005Chile163,0006Dominican Republic140,0007Peru102,0008
China85,0009Ethiopia81,50010[12]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avocado#cite_note-FAO-11

The tree grows to 20 m (66 ft), with alternately arranged
leaveshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaf 12
centimetres (4.7 in) - 25 centimetres (9.8 in) long. The
flowershttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower are
inconspicuous, greenish-yellow, 5 millimetres (0.2 in) - 10 millimetres
(0.4 in) wide. The pear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pear-shaped fruit is
7 centimetres (2.8 in) - 20 centimetres (7.9 in) long, weighs between 100
grams (3.5 oz) - 1,000 grams (35 oz), and has a large central
seedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed,
5 centimetres (2.0 in) - 6.4 centimetres (2.5 in)
long.[13]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avocado#cite_note-isbn0-9610184-1-0-12

The subtropical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtropical species needs a
climate without frost and with little wind. High winds reduce the humidity,
dehydrate the flowers, and affect pollination. When even a mild frost
occurs, premature fruit drop may occur, although the
Hasshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hass_avocado
 cultivar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultivar can tolerate temperatures
down to -1°C. The trees also need well-aerated soils, ideally more than 1 m
deep. Yield is reduced when the irrigation water is highly
salinehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salinity.
These soil and climate conditions are available only in a few areas of the
world, particularly in southern Spain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain,
Portugal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal,
Moroccohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco
, Crete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crete, the
Levanthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant
, South Africa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa,
Colombiahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia
, Peru http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru, parts of central and northern
Chile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile,
Vietnamhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam
,Indonesia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia, parts of southern
Indiahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India
, Sri Lanka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka,
Australiahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia
, New Zealand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand, the
Philippineshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Philippines
, Malaysia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia, Central
Americahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America,
the Caribbean, Mexico http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico,
Californiahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California
, Arizona http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona,Puerto
Ricohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico
, New Mexico http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico,
Texashttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas
, Florida http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida,
Hawai'ihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawai%27i
, Ecuador http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuador and
Rwandahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda.
Each region has different types of cultivars.
[edithttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Avocadoaction=editsection=4
]Harvest and postharvest

Commercial orchards produce an average of seven
tonneshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonnes
 per hectare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hectare each year, with some
orchards achieving 20 tonnes per
hectare.[14]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avocado#cite_note-13
 Biennial bearing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biennial_bearing can be a
problem, with heavy crops in one year being followed by poor yields the
next. The avocado tree does not tolerate freezing temperatures, and 

[Goanet] ARREST THE PRODUCER OF KYA SUPER COOL HAIN HUM FILM

2012-08-17 Thread manuel tavares
It is truly unthinkable that such gross misrepresentations of a faith can be 
incorporated in a film. Perhaps the film maker inadvertently mistook the Hindu 
Bhatt for a Christian Priest. After all, aren't Hindu's, not Christians, the 
ones who believe in reincarnation? And don't they consider all other Animals as 
'BHAIS' and 'BEN'S' ?

He should therefore edit his film by substituting  the Christian Priest with a 
Hindu Bhatt instead. The film will then make sense.

Manuel ( Eddie) Tavares.


Re: [Goanet] Celebrations of Goa Day

2012-08-17 Thread renebarreto
Re: Celebrations of Goa Day
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Message flagged
Friday, 17 August 2012, 20:39
Dear GWS Members,

The celebrations of World Goa Day will be held on 19th August, 2012.  The Mass 
will be celebrated at St. Jude's Chapel at 11:30 am followed by a luncheon at 
the Goan Gymkhana.

There are few tickets remaining. NO TICKETS WILL BE SOLD AT THE GATE.

Dress Code: Smart Casual.  Tickets:KShs.:600/=;    Ages 5 - 12 years 
KShs.:400/=

There are over 200 instant prizes to be won, lunches, dinners; household items; 
beauty treatments; night at the camps; wines and spirits; jewellery; coolers; 
umbrellas; key-rings; Nokia phones; cupcakes; and many more..Just for 
KShs.:200.00 per ticket.

The Goa Soko, a must to visit, will include stalls show casing a variety of 
goods viz, Goan traditional sweets; sorpotel; pickles, red chillies;Goa 
sausages. For the first time showing - curios; jewellery; wedding cake; wedding 
stationery; tupperware; cosmetics;storage containers; cheese cakes; DVDs; 
travel packages - around the world; and many more.

We have the honour to have in our amidst Mrs. Maura Abranches, who will be 
launching her book Look Beyond the Classroom

For the younger ones,  there will be a merry-go-round and bouncing castle.

Come one come all, and enjoy our Goan Cuisine and shake to the tunes of Brian 
Lisboa -
 you might just home a novelty prize.

For and on behalf of the GWS
Nita Coelho
Secretary



WORLD GOA - KONKANI DAY -20TH of AUGUST, EVERY YEAR.
GOAN CULTURAL HERITAGE DAY 
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[Goanet] PANIC FLEEING ASSAMESE

2012-08-17 Thread manuel tavares
John Gomes is right. We have as a nation to rethink our whole approach to the 
matter of corruption. This will not be an easy task and may take considerable 
time to achieve. To achieve the principal goal it would be prudent to start 
small and to nurture the success achieved in these small steps. The examples 
set will in themselves project a perception of what can be achieved on a larger 
scale if the people and the Government are willing to take bold and sometimes 
hurtful steps to achieve. It can be achieved and should be perused in earnest.

One has only to look at Singapore where prior to the metamorphosis that set the 
stage for the current society, corruption was as rampant as in India. If this 
could be achieved in Singapore, then we have an example which we should 
emulate. 

The people should rise up and demand that Government enact legislation to rid 
the country of this scourge enforcing strict laws and severely punishing those 
who circumvent the law for personal gain. Unfortunately the Indian due to Hindu 
religious beliefs even feels that he can bribe the gods, donating parts of ill 
gotten gains to appease deities and believe that they have achieved this end 
continuing to amass fortunes illegally with impunity. There must therefore be a 
total change in attitude and the religious class must participate fully 
preaching the true tenets of Hinduism and not the manipulated version which is 
prevalent.

John's thesis of 'Shoot the messenger forget the message ' should be taken 
seriously. If the majority of people rise up and proclaim the message, how many 
messengers can be shot before radical change is achieved?  This should be our 
aim and if sufficient numbers are for this cause, then it is achievable.

We must act now before there is panic fleeing from other major areas of India 
which could cause a huge refugee problem. 

Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.


Re: [Goanet] Avocados

2012-08-17 Thread Mervyn Lobo
Mervyn  Elsie Maciel wrote;
My own experience while still at school in Aldona was that avocados didn't do 
well in our Goa climate. Let me explain -
my maternal grandfather(ex Zanzibar) had an avocado plant(at our Moira house) 
which he had grown, presumably from seed/s he had brought back from Zanzibar. 
The plant had grown into a huge tree but we rarely saw any fruit on it. He 
often told us about how delicious this fruit was(I'd never even seen one 
then!), but it had to be many years later that I enjoyed 'king-size avocados 
especially at Kisii in Kenya and also at my in-laws in Kitale(Kenya).

Maybe there's someone in Goa who can come up with a more positive story?
---

Mervyn(M)
Only a few types of avocado species can self pollinate.  
Secondly, most trees bear fruit only every second year.


Commercial farms in the US today use grafting and hybrids to make sure that the 
trees bear fruit every year. 
There used to be some really large avocado trees at a school in Arusha, 
Tanzania that had the biggest pears I have ever seen. I never got to taste them 
though. My wife's birthplace is just a few miles from the Mexican border 
and center for growing/marketing avocadoes.
There used to be a time when the Mexican authorities would search every 
border-crosser for avocadoes. If one was found, the customs official would cut 
open the fruit, remove the seed, and let the traveler carry on with only with 
the flesh. Such was the desire to protect this crop.

Lastly, my grand-mom had a medium sized tree in her compound in Colvale. I 
never saw fruit on that tree but maybe that was because I have only been to Goa 
in winter.  

Mervyn2020