Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Mugabe v. 1983 or Mugabe v. 2009? Or is ther some Freudian slip showing here, which pits you guys against the takeover of "White settlers" land :-) FN > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Eddie Fernandes" >> Unless there is a Mugabe sitting in judgment. Are you?
Re: [Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html My friend Soter D'Souza has every right to criticise those he disagrees with or whose approaches he dislikes. But if he did so by name, they would at least have the chance of responding. I presume "The Orator" is our friend Dr Oscar Rebello, and "The Non-Goan Editor" is my one-time mentor (way back in 1983) Rajan Narayan. After closely covering the work of NGOs, activists and protest groups in Goa over the past two-and-half decades, I could say that the politics within the alternate movements in Goa are very intense, and almost each one is convinced that their own approach is right and everyone else is wrong. The Truth isn't as objective as Soter makes it out to be though. It often turns out into a matter of perception. While it is easy to criticise the approaches of others, we could recongise that the others are as convinced about the justness and appropriateness of their own approach. Given the kind of politicking we have in the dissent sector in Goa, I'm sure that the Establishment as well as lobbies of every kind knows only too well that, given enough time, they could just leave the critics to tear each other down... and they (the Establishment, the lobbies) will be back in business! FN PS: I'm sure Soter will not take to this post very kindly when we meet next at Cafe Prakash, but I think it needs to be said. I respect his work too, but disagree strongly with spending so much energies in pulling down each other. 2009/7/31 soter : > > Dear Goans, > Have some leaders of the Goa Balchao Abhiyan > brand fame got muck on their faces? For this we > need to read Herald of today 31st July 2009. > Their honeymoon with Digubab seems to be > over. He now cares less for them as he has > succeeded in diffusing public wrath through > his chellas in GBA. With the news that Mr. > Edgar Ribeiro has resigned from the > government's steering committee on the RP, > a politically over smart orator, who a year ago > was so impressed with the CM's sincerity > and adamant that GBA cooperates on the RP > 2021, was finally shamelessly heard spitting > fire at a meeting opposite T.B Cunha's memorial > in Panaji. The orator has overnight started > talking about green Goa when he was > cheering the mega projects just a few > months ago saying that housing is required. > Can he publicly declare his stand on the 73rd > and 74th Constitutional Amendment ... -- FN * http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://twitter.com/fn M +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://fredericknoronha.multiply.com/ http://goa1556.goa-india.org "Punctuality is the virtue of the bored." - Evelyn Waugh
Re: [Goanet] Tributes to Olivinho Gomes
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html How about: a head he has, but brains he lacks? Are we on the right track? What say, Sage Valmiki? FN 2009/7/31 Roland Francis : > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Frederick "FN" Noronha > wrote: >> >> Teotonio R. de Souza >> Olivinho had a sense of humour. I recall a pithy comment of his in >> Konknni: Taka toklo asa, punn tokli na! >> 2 minutes ago >> >> Frederick Noronha >> How would that get translated: He has a head, but no intelligence? > > Good one FN. > A variation - he has a head but there's nothing inside.
Re: [Goanet] Tributes to Olivinho Gomes
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Neat! Translating can be a tough job, since one needs to capture the essence. Btw, one Goanetter back in Goa is an accomplished Devanagari-to-English translator, while another has been work to compile a book of Konkani sayings. Any idea who that could be :-) FN 2009/8/1 Venantius Pinto : > 1. He has a skull, but lacks a mind. > > 2. He has a skull, but his mind fails him. > > 3. He has a skull, but his mind is lacking. > > In such a context saying he has a head, implies he has a mind. He possibly > could not have a head for nothing. As we hear one has a head for something, > whatever that may be. > > venantius
Re: [Goanet] Non-Goans to exceed Goans in Goa in coming years ????
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Socorrokar, Thanks for raising a number of blunt, inconvenient but honest questions! Nice to know that there are non-chauvinistic voices on Goanet too, even if they get shouted down quite often. --FN 2009/8/2 Vivian A. DSouza : > Let me open a can of worms > > What qualifies one to be called a Goan ? Is it an > identity one is born with and like Caste,one can > never shake off nor can anyone else aspire to this > ultra exclusive club ?? Until 1510 or thereabouts > I dont believe that there was a geographical location ... -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Sub: Social Capital_a request for interaction
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html 2009/8/1 Venantius Pinto : > Hello All, > Are there any individuals who have worked or are currently working at/with > the World Bank. or anyone who knows someone who would be willing to > talk/dialogue/engage with a friend of mine on Social Capital. If yes, then > do please email me Dear Venantius, I think this is a very crucial debate, and my delay in responding by no means suggests disinterest! As for the World Bank, there have been early Goanetters like Emmanuel da Silva who were part of the World Bank. (Marlon Menezes is, I think, in touch with him and he's on Facebook. If I recall right, he told me he had moved out of the World Bank since.) Of course, the World Bank has taken an age-old idea, given it a new gloss, and I don't think they're the only ones who have an interest in, or have built up, social capital. In Goa's case: * The kudds in Bombay are a sterling example of social capital. Without them, we would not have had a large diaspora population in Bombay and now, elsewhere in the globe. Of course, one can debate about the impact of having such a large diaspora population. But it cannot be denied that the best of Goa's Konkani songs came from the diaspora, as also some of the best Goan writing (in English, for sure). This needs to be explored further, but I'm just leaving it at this superficial level. * The schooling network, specially the English-medium schools, have been another social asset, which created skills that took Goans places. * The role of the Goan women, of all commmunities, is another 'social capital' building tool. Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes has written, if I recall right, of how the Goan woman has sacrificed to provide better education to her kids. * Social reform -- though not sufficient -- has also taken place in Goa. This has dramatically changed the situation for some. For instance, the Gomant Maratha (Devadasi) community has undertaken an amazing self-uplift movement in the 1920s, to ensure that they no longer face the indignities that their counterparts outside Goa face. * Other initiatives have also come up, like village clubs (though these sometimes have class and caste biases). The church and temple networks (mosques too) can also be seen as a form of 'social capital'. These have a significant social work component to them, though we might under-appreciate the same in secularised times. Looking forward to more inputs from others. FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Claudius Buchanan
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html The debate on sati is probably as fictionalised, stereotyped and turned into Black Legend as the debate over the Inquisition in Goa. It's hard to take the colonial discourse on sati at face value. It's interesting though, specially now that it has been disected by a number of scholars. (I recall reading in the past that figures about the number of sati victims were grossly exaggerated. It's anyone guess as to whose interest it would lie in, to inflate the problem out of proportion and then show this as part of the White man's civilising mission.) For instance, see: Sati, the blessing and the curse by John Stratton Hawley, Columbia University. Southern Asian Institute: Modern research confirms what traditional brahmanical treatises imply -- that sati has always been very much the exception rather than the rule in Hindu life. Yet from the time of Marco Polo until well into the nineteenth century (sati was officially abolished in Bengal in 1829), Westerners publishing diaries of their travels in India almost always included a chapter on a sati they had witnessed. These men watched their satis in horror but with admiration, too, for the courage and dignity of the women involved. If their books were even sparsely illustrated, a drawing of the sati was sure to appear What were Western readers being asked to see in these verbal and visual portraits? An icon in reverse -- something from which the eye should be averted -- or in some clandestine way an icon in fact? A condemnation of sati the practice, or a secret adulation of sati the heroine victim? http://books.google.com/books?id=w_VbHItKQjYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=sati+exaggeration&source=gbs_similarbooks_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q=&f=false Contentious Traditions: The Debate on Sati in Colonial India (Paperback) by Lata Mani http://www.amazon.com/Contentious-Traditions-Debate-Colonial-India/dp/0520214072 "Examines the documents of the colonial bureaucracy, the writings of the nineteenth-century indigenous male elite, the journals and publications of missionaries, and numerous European eyewitness accounts. She asks why the British first loudly denounced it, then covertly sanctioned it, and then officially banned it. . . . Contentious Traditions shows how divided the colonial bureaucrats were on the political costs of intervening in sati, how the grounds shifted in the arguments that the nineteenth-century Bengali reformer Rammonhun Roy made against sati in response to colonial pronouncements. how the Baptist missionaries took very different stances in addressing British and Indian audiences, and burning ricocheted between horror and fascination. . . . In citing the gruesome evidence that many satis were neither "voluntary" nor painless, and by assuming that the material causes for many satis make them by definition non-religious, Lata Mani discounts the religious ideology that might have motivated either the woman herself or the people forcing her to do it, or both."--Times Literary Supplement Sati by Arvind Sharma http://books.google.co.in/books?id=UJmWgz2mv5oC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=sati+missionary&source=bl&ots=LkP-ZJ0n5u&sig=iGtOIgECygJU6jiG2CIqPfE6yiE&hl=en&ei=kRh3SoXMBcODkAWs1fH_Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=sati missionary&f=false QUOTE: The Christian missionary involvement for the abolition of the sati rite was only an offshoot of their grand design in India, which was conversion of the country to Christianity. Rev. Claudius Buchanan of the Church of England, who landed in Bengal in 1790, had no illusions about such success. ...There were those practices or rituals which inflicted immediate death or tended to produce death. One of these practices was the rite of sati. Buchanan advocated abolition of the rite by law and argued that when the practice of sacrificing children -- another "bloody superstition" of the Hindus -- had been abolished by Wellesley by the Regulation VI of 1802, "not a murmur followed", and that there would neither be any if the Government abolished the sati rite by a regulation ENDQUOTE 2009/8/3 J. Colaco < jc> > > Thanks for the link, FN. > > I am in no position to state whe
Re: [Goanet] Claudius Buchanan
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html 2009/8/3 Santosh Helekar : > This continued smearing of the historian Priolkar > by the freelance journalist Noronha becomes > more and more curious by each passing day You're missing the point about Buchanan's bias, and the question of how Anant Kakba Priolkar could rely on part of the bigoted views of a man like this. He seems to be having a problem with every aspect of belief and practise which doesn't belong to his tradition. Please see Was Hinduism invented? by Brian Kemble Pennington (page 90 ff): Buchanan assured his readers that the outrageous excesses of Hindu worship, as he described it, accurately reflected the moral life of most Hindus as well. These were not the benign and mild people many travellers had suggested. Recounting his initial reaction to the rites at Jagannatha, he wrote: This, I thought, is the worship of the Brahmins of Hindostan, and their worship in its sublimest degree ... Two of Buchanan's other encounters on his tour are worthy of notice, for they underscore his passionate antipathy towards religious practice he saw transfixed by flesh and matter. He investigated the state of native Syrian Christian communities along the southwestern coast of India who traced their lineage to the legendary first-century visit by Jesus' own apostle, Thomas. When the Portuguese had attempted to force their submission to Papal authority in the sixteenth century, many "Malabar Syrians" had fled from the coast into the hills, and the English had heard only rumours of them since their arrival. Buchanan set out to discover if they still existed and in what state their religion had survived. He found the people and the churches to exude an "air of fallen greatness", which the Christians told him reflected their suppression by the Inquisition at Goa. They had preserved the ancient Syriac liturgy and some copies of the Syriac scriptures, one of which the bishop presented to Buchana who then deposited it in the University Library at Cambridge, where it still lies. The simplicity and purity of Malabar Christian doctrine impressed Buchanan. He entertained the hope that this ancient gem, preserved amidst Hindu, Muslim and Roman persecution, might united with the Church of England, for its people possessed "the two chief requisites for junction with any pure church; namely, they profess the doctrines of the Bible, and reject the supremacy of the Pope." Still, he thought elements of Syrian Christian practice in need of reform, including the Eucharist, clerical celibacy, and worship practices reminiscent of Roman Catholicism. On his return to England, Buchanan proposed to the Church Missionary Society that it take up the cause of the Syrian churches. The CMS eagerly pursued the project, hoping to reform the Syrian doctrine and worship so the ancient church could shine as a beacon of native Christian piety in a pagan land. Buchanan expressed hope that an alliance between this church and the Established Church of England would help stem "the immense power of the Romish Church in India," but the working union that was established in 1816 unravelled within 20 years, primarily because Buchanan "gravely underestimated the differences which in fact existed between the Church of England and the Thomas Christians." Buchanan likewise visited the sizable Roman Catholic population in the south. Although he had expected to find them in an unsatisfactory condition, he "certainly did not expect to see Christianity in the degraded state in whcih he found it." He charged that the priests, "better acquainted with the Veda of Brahma than with the Gospel of Christ," superintended a paganized Christianity...
Re: [Goanet] Claudius Buchanan
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html What is the "whole story"? "Equitable" between whom? The problem with the Black Legend is that it's based on exaggeration, demonising one side, and resting its arguments on narrators who are hardly likely to be unbiased. When JC gets defensive, he takes to the your-religion-is-worse-off-than-mine approach (or so it seems to me). But this really a my-colonialism-is-better-than-yours issue here. In the scramble to justify colonialism and its effects, the Brits later (and apparently the Dutch too, even earlier) were into building Black Legends long before the Priolkars came along! Of course, as Santosh says, I could be wrong FN > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, J. Colaco < jc> wrote: >> Priolkar IMHO was not an unbiased story teller. He could >> have told the whole story but intentionally or otherwise, did not. >> Anybody who believes that Priolkar was unbiased - is >> invited to provide the evidence that he was equitable in his >> publications. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Claudius Buchanan
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Although addressed to "my dear Santoshbab", permit me to intervene: 2009/8/4 J. Colaco < jc> : > I am sure you will agree with me on two points: > [1] There are many things our forebears did which would make us hang > our heads in shame today. True. But we are not discussing all these issues here. The topic of discussion is the Inquisition, and how fairly it is being discussed, or whether it is done so with exaggerations, and biased motives. > [2] Sati, the Inquisition, Slavery and unprovoked wars were/and > remain abominations. These issues would only help to cloud the discussion, make everyone defensive, and take us to emotions rather than facts. > Anyone who claims to have the facts on his side MUST prove that he has > the facts, all the facts, and nothing but the facts. Don't forget the *interpretation of the facts*. There is also the question of selection of the facts. This is what Prof David Higgs has to say about Priolkar's work (when he wrote it, he was at the University of Toronto's Department of HIstory at Ontario): Priolkar drew heavily on secondary sources in his sketch of the Goan Inquisition, especially on a late seventeenth-century Frenchman, Gabriel Dellon, arrested in Goa, whose case was made famous by the denunciatory account of his experiences published after his return to France. The original trial documents have been lost , presumably among those ordered destroyed by the governor, and so cannot be compared against Dellon's exuberant account of his misfortunes. Priolkar also used the over-imaginative account of a British clergyman, C. Buchanan, who wanted to think that what he was not allowed to see in Old Goa in 1808 was what Dellon inveighed at more than a century earlier. Priolkar consulted no original documentation from the Portuguese Holy Office which survives in other deposits, and this renders his a deficient, if still useful, account of the Inquisition of the late eighteenth-century Goa. (In Goa: Continuity and Change, ed by Wagle and Coehlo, Univ of Toronto, Centre for South Asian Studies, 1995) -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] We are all migrants!!!
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Extending your logic, isn't there a Catholic Goan identity (451 years of Portuguese rule, intense conversions, emigration etc) which is distinct from the Hindu Goan identity? And won't we concede that different caste groupings in Goa have different "unique identities", often not even marrying into each other? Isn't there a unique gender identity too? And why not accept that within the castes too, there are "unique identities" of their own? For instance, the Sashtikar Bamon will look down on the Bardezkar (Bamon)? So, my question is: where do we stop all this? Why do some divides (Goan versus non-Goan or Catholic + Hindu versus Muslim) become acceptable and others not? When we do we accept that despite our differences, we somehow manage to work together and move forward? FN 2009/8/4 Arwin Mesquita : > Goa was isolated from India (and its migrations) for about 400 > years & thru the ups/downs of the period, developed a unique identity. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
[Goanet] Khot-khotem....
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Apologies for disclosing secrets of state. But, during once recent GoaWriters meeting, Cecil Pinto surprised us all by his unusual choice of munchables he brought it. It was khotkhotem (needs no introduction to old timers here), which I had not tasted for a good ten years. When someone from Goanet raised the subject in an off-list discussion (who said these don't happen?) Cecil let out the address of the only shop (as far as we know) where these are available. He wrote, in his cryptic subjectline only type posts: Anand Stores. From Shakuntala Fountain go past Royal-T. 4th or 5th on left. Sells variety of show-chooda Okay, this is not a commercial for Anand Stores, but just a reminder of the tastes of yesterday. Check it out if you're in Mapusa. In today's plastic world, sold (a bit unfortunately) in plastic packing. But that's what we all want, isn't it? FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Claudius Buchanan
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and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
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We can split hairs till the cows come home. The question is just
whether the depiction of the Inquisition in Goa also suffers from a
Black Legend and whether those who did such a good job of spreading
its story across centuries and across countries did it with vested
interests or not.
After believing the likes of Priolkar and Dellon ("after all, he is a
Catholic himself") for long, the more one digs-up the more one gets
convinced that the answer to both the queries above is an unambiguous
yes.
To understand "why" will need more pieces of the jig-saw to fall into
place, though there are a lot of hints already available. Does anyone
have access to the so-far untranslated work of Antonio Baiao? Even
Prof Higgs from Toronto gives us interesting insights to believe that
the Inquisition was more about power and class, rather than religion
and communalism (as made out to be in contemporary India). FN
2009/8/4 J. Colaco < jc> :
> Santosh Helekar wrote: Based on your yardstick, I sense that you would
> agree with me that Claudius Buchanan was an unbiased reporter of his
> experiences in the countries of India, as he put it, because he was
> brutally honest ABOUT WHAT HE SAW, whether it was the practice of
> Sati,
>
> My dear Santoshbab,
>
> For me to do the above, I'd have to know for sure that He Actually SAW
> the stuff himself.
>
> I am unable to do that; Are you?...
--
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Re: [Goanet] Goan convention in Muscat
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Trust Eugene to stir up the pot :-) I guess organising such meetings depends on who is willing to take up the initiative. And, knowing how we Goans operate, there are many to criticise, but few to fold up their sleeves and work! Eugene, another thing: please don't write an obit on me if you get the chance to. I'd really appreciate that favour :-) FN 2009/8/4 Eugene Correia : > > Since I am currently in Toronto, I was thinking of > last year's International Goan Convention. An > d presto, here comes the news that the next one > would be held in Muscat, Oman. There was > some confusion regardng the hosting of this year's ... -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa: Speaker warns media against misreporting House proceedings
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html The article in question is by Samir Kelekar and is here [http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-August/181084.html] There has been much debate in India over the issue of 'breach of priviledges' (wherein legislators in India have undefined priviledges, which date back to a time when parliamentary democracy was in its infancy, and the threat of the King, yes, the British king, misusing his powers lead to this). Journalists and the media have raised this issue many times too. Basically Samir is repeating what is already part of the public record. While I personally feel that Kargil was an unnecessary and wasted war, wasting crucial development rupees on both side of the Indo-Pak divide, I don't see what's so wrong in discussing issues of corruption! FN QUOTE Parliamentary privilege (also absolute privilege) is a legal immunity enjoyed by members of certain legislatures, in which legislators are granted protection of civil or criminal liability for actions done or statements made related to one's duties as a legislature. It is common in countries whose constitutions are based on the Westminster system. A similar mechanism is known as parliamentary immunity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_privilege The principal parliamentary privilege in the UK Parliament is that of freedom of speech in its proceeding, given statutory expression in article nine of the 1689 Bill of Rights. This marked the parliamentary victory over the royal executive in the struggle that had lasted for most of the seventeenth century and ended with the flight of James II and Parliament's choice of William II to succeed him. http://www.answers.com/topic/parliamentary-privilege 2009/8/4 Eddie Fernandes : > 4 Aug: UNI. Excerpts: Goa Assembly Speaker Pratapsingh Rane today cautioned > the media against misquoting the proceedings of the House. He was giving out > the ruling when ruling party legislators Agnelo Fernandes and Dayanand > Narvekar pointed out a report in a local daily ''Herald'' casting aspersions > on the conduct of the legislators and misquoting them. He said he had powers > to call the impugned journalist and award even a term of imprisonment if he > did not offer ''apology''. 198 words. See > http://www.newkerala.com/nkfullnews-1-85872.html
Re: [Goanet] Claudius Buchanan
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html 2009/8/4 Santosh Helekar : > What takes the cake for me, however, is the > implication below that no one has translated > Antonio Baiao's work on the inquisition to find > out what it says. This tells me that Noronha > has no idea about what Priolkar has written > in his book because the truth is that Priolkar > has relied heavily on the archival publications > of Baiao for his work. Quite a mix-up indeed! Priolkar citing Baiao doesn't change the fact that Baiao hasn't been translated! QUOTE: Baiao's book is hard to come by, particularly the second volume. The work has not been republished and WAS NEVER TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH [emphasis added]. The 1907 brief pamphlet by Jordao apolinario de Freitas, and the mid nineteenth-century Narracao da Inquisicao de Goa are both rare. Much better known is Anant Kakbar (sic) Priolkar's 1961 study, published in the year of the liberation of Goa from Portugal by invading Indian forces, published in Bombay, and something of a bibliographical rarity outside of the subcontinent... -- David Higgs, 'The Inquisition in Late Eighteenth-Century Goa, inGoa: Continuity and Change (Narendra K Wagle and George Coehlo, eds, Toronto 1995) Also, from the same source: "Priolkar consulted no original documentation from the Portuguese Holy Office which still survives in other deposits and this renders his a deficient, if still useful, account of the Inquisition in late eighteenth-century Goa" -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred)
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html 2009/8/5 Eugene Correia : > I won't go so far to support some of your critics who have > called you a "cut-and-paste" journalist. I won't engage in > a dogfight but would debate you on the lines of > what constitutes good journalism or, rather, > provocative journalism. And I am using no smileys. Eugene, Kitem reh? Wot men? Critics calling me a "cut-and-paste" journalist? For the record, I have myself called myself an "ethical spammer and skilled cut-and-paste artist". Okay, we can have a debate over the claim to some words -- ethical, skilled, artist. With or without smileys :-) FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] The Pope's moral blunders on outsourcing S A Aiyar(Times of India)
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Meera, Instead of leaving us in all that killing and chilling suspense, please could you tell us specifically what is it that the Pope has not said that Swaminathan Aiyar attributes to him? Or is there something excluded from what the Pope said? Would you consider writing a rejoinder to the TOI, where the original letter was carried? Since you suggest that Aiyar isn't reflecting the Pope's views on outsourcing adequately, please show us why this is so. Till then, I'll go along with Aiyar's view. FN 2009/8/5 noronha : > Please read the encyclical written by the Pope > before reading S.A. Aiyar . > Meera Noronha -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Here's one for those looking for an obit....
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html What's wrong with all of us tonight (no, I don't mean you Gabe!) Must be the full moon! This is a non-scientific statement! 2009/8/5 Gabe Menezes : > This is by Cecil's great friend from down the road, next to the eating > placesay no more. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjC7oPLub44 -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred)
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html "Men" when used in this context has no singular. Two men, one men! Got it, men? FN PS: About 'Wot', as you know Konklish is being influenced in an unhealthy manner these days by Angrezi. PPS: Pls visit the Konkani sayings page on Facebook. 2009/8/5 Venantius Pinto : > I was under the impression that the "W" was silent. Should it not be "Ot > man." Please do not shake my moorings any more bro! As it is I am so far > away. > venantius > >> >> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred) >> >> (del), Kitem re(h)? Wot men? -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred)
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Now that the full moon is past, I suspect this is all an attempt to subvert Eugene's very serious debate about the yet-to-be-launched Oman meet. Wot men? Gentlemen indeed! Bah, as Augusto would say. FN 2009/8/5 Venantius Pinto : > A response from VM posted with his permission. > Thanks Selma for your comment too. > > venantius > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: V M > you gentlemen are talking past each other. the konglish of the north goan > village is markedly different in inflection from the konglish of salcette. > and venantius is bringing distinctive, good old bombay konglish to the > table, where 'ot' is absolutely correct, 'dey' talk like 'dat' and 'dere's' > no denying it. > > btw, men is a pan-goan thing, and does not filter to bombay (etc) at all. it > took me years to transition to man from men after imbibing this lingo while > studying at lourdes convent alongside rico. > > 'tanks for making me smile, -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Write-ups in local daily draw ire from assembly Speaker
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html To compare the assembly with a tiatr... is an insult to the tiatr! It's no comedy. It's a tragedy (not even farce)! That's only my opinion! But I guess it's not out of sync with that of the vast majority of the thinking population of Goa. FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Mr Eugene "Stirring" Correia, My son's birthday party is on next week. Do I have your permission to organise it, please? FN 2009/8/5 Eugene Correia :substantial to the debate. The point you missed, dear Selma, is that the convention should not happen. If you think it should happen, I would give to hear your views -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Cancel all Goan Conventions and Goa Day celebrations
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Is this also a chance to score a point against Rene and his WGD initiatives, or am I reading too much into the suggestion below? FN > From: "J. Colaco < jc>" > In silent protest at the 'diktat' against, and in solidarity with Dr. > Samir Kelekar, I suggest that Goans PUBLICLY cancel ALL Goa Day 2009 > functions. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Cancel all Goan Conventions and Goa Day celebrations
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html 2009/8/6 J. Colaco < jc> : > re# 2: YES - but possibly because you are either tired (after a hard > day's work) or you did not take the time to think it over, or both. Work? I've just been loafing around the whole day! Which is tiring too :-) > For .there is NO better stand the WGD folks can take than PUBLICLY > cancel the functions in protest - unless you (and they) believe that > Samir Kelekar is an expendable person +/- amkam kityak When he gets up tomorrow, I'll talk it over with Aren and check out the possibility of cancelling his sixth birthday celebrations next week. Hope the gesture will be duly noted! FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Cancel all Goan Conventions and Goa Day celebrations
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Whoa doc, not so fast (where is our voice of reason at times like these on Goanet)! Once you have made a suggestion, it's the property of every member of Goanet, as you would note :-) I have not yet consulted with Aren. Imagine how ludicrous it would look for all the kids attending his party with a black band! And, above all, to be honest, I would just like to save a few rupees out there! FN 2009/8/6 J. Colaco < jc> : > I believe that Alfred's suggestion is more reasonable, less disruptive > and potentially more effective than the one I had suggested. > > It will also be a "Quiet and Dignified" protest. > > Only an ostrich will not take notice of the protest. > > I withdraw my suggestion ..and support Alfred's. > > jc > > > 2009/8/5 Alfred de Tavares : > > Let the functions flourish but every attendant wear > a mourning sign. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Good to see laughter on Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Full moon? What absolute rubbish! (And you will have noticed that I've changed my views on the topic since 24 hours ago.) You have to blame Samir Kelekar for all this. Or the unnecessary and wholly unfair critique of the tiatr. So what if a few good Goans have to go to gaol for the sake of levity returning to Goanet? FN 2009/8/6 Carvalho : > > Well something has spurred everyone on Goanet > and good to see everyone break out in a fit of > hysterial, full-moon like madness after a very, very > long time on Goanet. > Feels good to be Goan after a lot of bitter acrimonious battles on Goanet. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goan Global Convention
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ Someone's cesspool is another piggy's luxury mud bath! Each of us has our own priorities, our own approaches and our own pet peeves. While I agree with your point about public money, I think at some point we in the media are simply too negative. When I was younger, I used to feel that way too. Now, my view is that it's very easy to criticise (specially destructively), but being more creative can be a big challenge. Anyway, to each his own... just promise me you won't write my obit and I'll be your friend for life :-) (With a smiley!) FN 2009/8/6 Eugene Correia : > Gabe said that I should be contributing more to goanet. > I have seen how issues can sidelinded and > goanetters engage in raising personal issues or > making personal attacks. It is for such reasons that > I do not wade into any discussions. It is better to > retain one's sanity by not jumping into a cesspool. > Save goanet from being a cesspool, please. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] The euphoria has evaporated
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - Hi Carmen, Don't worry too much about Mario and his reactionary political views. I often suspect that he repeats them often so as to convince himself! On the other hand, if you dare to discuss with him, then you will soon find yourself (and Goanet) caught in a quagmire of ceaseless discussion, that never ends, tires you out and simply wins on the basis of triumphant last-wordism! In a short time on Goanet, it's easy to discern who's worth debating with, and who's just a waste of time! Of course, we all have our own respective bees in our Goan bonnets! FN 2009/8/6 Carmen Miranda : > > But Mario Goveia’s piece on Obama THE EUPHORIA HAS EVAPORATED forced me to > react , as I feel his reactionary political views should not be allowed to > be aired here without a challenge, and I have no intention of engaging > further in this discussion beyong this reply to Mario's comments. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Fw: AN ODE TO SORPOTEL.
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - Put briefly, some of us here would like to see this work back in print. It would be nice if family, admirers or friends of the poet could help to make this happen! Augusto has written quite a bit (including in HIMAL, the prestigious South Asian mag put out from Kathmandu) on the Furtados. FN 2009/8/6 augusto pinto : > - > Dears > 'An Ode to Sorpotel' was written by Philip Furtado. As far as I'm > aware it is his only published poem. He was the son of a very > accomplished poet, Joseph Furtado of Pilerne. > > Joseph Furtado who died in 1947 lived in Mazagon. Philip Furtado > used to stay circa 1967 at 5 Hazarat Terrace, Sankli Street, Byculla, > Bombay-8. Could anyone find out and tell us whether he is still there > or what has happened to him and his children? -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Receipe
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - 2009/8/6 Albert Desouza : > Albert writes:- can anyone give me the receipe of pork stew ? > alizadeso...@hotmail.com Step 1: http://www.google.com Step 2: http://www.google.co.in/search?q=pork+stew&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a Step 3: Trim the MSN India (below) rubbish while you're at it! Best, your old neighbour, FN > > _ > Log on to MSN India for a lowdown on what’s hot in the world today > http://in.msn.com > -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Pubbies?? No such animals Clinging at Straws and hoping that the euphoria will fully evaporate
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - 2009/8/7 J. Colaco < jc> : > A person of lesser intellect is how I would describe myself. Absolutely! > > How would you describe yourself? A person more careful with definitions, I guess! FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Maharastrawadi Gomantak's failed pogrom
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - 2009/8/7 Bernado Colaco : > Thanks for the info on Goanet which clearly shows > via the writings of Pirolkar the intent of the MG party > to demolish the Catholic Goans. The crooks under > the leadership of Bandodcar were heralded into > power in 1964 in an alleged rigged poll. Then came Whoa, not so fast (as our favourite poster would say)! Bernado, you're outdoing yourself in distant Macau, giving a very Ole Xacist view of post-1961 developments in Goa. If the only identity you can see is religious, in what way is your perspective different from the saffronistas you so decry? --Sivaji Norendra. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Influx of uncontrolled Migrants into Goa
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - 2009/8/7 marlon menezes If and when I hear the real full time locals in > Goa start complaining (e.g. FN, Cecil Pinto, > my parents and family) about the so called > ghatti (aka Indian Nigger) influx, I will > reverse my opinions. Lest anyone misunderstands it, I would hasten to add that I'm a Goan by accident. An accident of birth (and genetics) and migration of ancestors (who knows when they were part of the tribes invading or settling in Goa) , and an accident of history (particularly of Portuguese conquests, Timoja's betrayal, the economics of the spice trade, etc). I would shudder to call people Ghantis (a clearly derogatory term, just as I don't like it when someone calls me a pig-eater!). To me, the crux of the hour is (i) defining what that vague term called "Goan interests" is really, if such a thing exists (ii) understanding who, regardless of ethnicity and accidents of birth, is supporting it and who's cutting against it (iii) helping to align in-migrant interests with local concerns -- some already feel more strongly about Goa than do the Goans (iv) finding ways to avoid near-racist attempts by politicians, sometimes the media, and others to scrapegoat recent migrants (v) extend the size of the pie, so that more resources are available (educational, health, cultural, etc) so that there's less reason to fight with one another! And, of course, there are many other unfinished tasks! FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Release of Konkani music book today (Sun, Aug 9, 2009 * 4 pm at Kala Academy)
Hi Anthony, 2009/8/10 Anthony S Dennis : > > Am interested in the vocals - how many CDs are there and whats the price. > Sorry to trouble you pal > Anthony S Dennis > Bombay There are 28 songs covered in the single DVD, with video footage. All played instrumental on the piano. Volume 1 contains the lyrics and more (sheet music, tab, etc) for 30 songs, mostly Konkani, a few Portuguese, one Damanese, and one or two Swahili songs popular among the diaspora. The price of the 220-page A4 sized book (with DVD) is Rs 850 in Goa. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The price of language chauvinism:English education in Goa (Nisser Dias)
Viva la difference! 2009/8/11 AF > VIVA Goa! I speak NO Portuguese, I speak no HINDI, nor Marathi..French > through SSC > was for the birds; I undertand a little of Konkannim..., but I have gone > places > speaking English.!! I understand very little Portuguese. I can manage barely passable Hindi. Despite having studied Marathi for just three years in school, I manage to read the headlines in the local newspapers when needed. French was all about verbs, and wouldn't follow anything if spoken by a native. I try to understand various dialects of Konkani/Concanim/Konkannim, but struggle with my daughter's six standard texts. And, I've not gone places speaking English, but have been staying home (mostly) since returning here at the age of two! FN PS: Btw, I also found out that English is as good as Latin, Greek or Sanskrit (almost) when one visits Germany or parts of Thailand and even Finland! So where does that leave us? -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Navhind Times Editorial
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) book launch in London, England @ the World Goa Day festivities on 15 Aug at 7pm Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com - Brother Tony, Nice to have you back on Goanet, and that too with a bang! While I respect your logic and your right to your point of view... I couldn't help wondering if point you make below is, in any way, connected with the run-in you had with Ms. Margaret Mascarenhas over some completely different point some while ago. Please convince me that my imagination is working overtime, and I'll sleep peacefully :-) FN 2009/8/12 Anthony M Barreto : > The editorial in the August 12th edition of the NT is a power packed > gem harder than diamond. 'I think' only those who live sheltered > behind the illusory facade of self-seeking lies will find it objectionable. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Navhind Times Editorial
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) book launch in London, England @ the World Goa Day festivities on 15 Aug at 7pm Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com - 2009/8/13 Anthony M Barreto : > Bro Fred, I have spoken an obvious truth many simply > refuse to accept. I know your love for some of the > people running the NGOs. Wot men, Bro. Tony! Is the platonic or something different? > Imagination is the fountainhead of all creativity, > inventions and discoveries. Let it run wild. More seriously, I agreed with Margaret in this case soon after reading the NT editorial, and not without a reason. The dislike of NGOs who are "anti-Establishment" in the slightest way by the mainstream media (read: newspapers connected with big industry in Goa) is well-known. Goanet has been through discussions over this in the past. Secondly, the editorial writer seems to be taking a legitimate issue over which we all should feel strongly about (the food-poisoning of hapless schoolkids via 'mid-day meals') and using it as a beating stick against NGOs in general. Thirdly, the concept of "NGOs" is also very vague and loosely defined. Who is an "NGO"? Is there any clear-cut definition for this term? As far as I understand, it's a catch-all phrase that includes people's movements, funded-organisations, the Rotary and Lions Clubs, trade union bodies like AITUC and the Goa Union of Journalists, the Roman Catholic Church or Partagal Mutt, the industry-founded Mineral Foundation of Goa, Dempo Charities Trust and even unfounded organisations such as BytesForAll (which I am associated with) and Goanet. Fourthly, this confusion over the RTI Act is just that... confusion! If any organisation (including those above) depends on government funding, then they too are accountable under the RTI Act themselves. This is not the first time that NGOs in Goa have been lambasted with just about any stick. It's telling on the state of affairs that while NGOs themselves often fail to play a consistently critical or oppositional role, even what they do is seen as a threat (while the BJP itself has had plans of setting up 500 more NGOs itself!) Whereever is the Opposition gone in the State? FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] The Pope's moral blunders on outsourcing S A Aiyar(Times of India)
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) book launch in London, England @ the World Goa Day festivities on 15 Aug at 7pm Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com - I don't think the Church has a job in supporting capitalism, "moderate" or otherwise. There was a time when the Church also made the mistake of thinking it could ride the tigers of colonialism and slavery. History proved it wrong. FN 2009/8/14 isouza : > Capitalism should be moderate. > Otherwise, social justice is not met in human relationships... -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] One can eat only when one has the appetite
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) book launch in London, England @ the World Goa Day festivities on 15 Aug at 7pm Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com - Tony, your episodic examples apart, you've not explained the link between food poisoning and that vague concept called "NGOs". The food poisoning case(s) appears to involve some government-funded (and possibly politically well-connected) local organisations. The NT edit appears to target activist-oriented NGOs. Below, you are lashing out against women's groups, social clubs (agreed, also "NGOs"), and this only confounds the confusion. Please could we get some clarity on the point sought to be made? Uptil now, the only thing I understood was that the NT editorial writer doesn't like NGOs, and that you probably feel unfairly treated by Margaret Mascarenhas in the past :-) FN PS: If we meet up at Anjanta, we could probably sort out this confusion :-) 2009/8/16 Anthony M Barreto : > But some women's collectives and some > 'foreign' NGOs and some great NGOs at > home all of who pretend that their heart > and everything else beats only for Goa are > only servicing themselves in the name > of their avowed commitment to Goa and > Goodness for eternity. > But what can you say about a women's > collective that distributes chocolates to > the children of Bal Bhavan on Children's > Day and wants publicity for the same. > That that photo found its way in the > waste can even before the ladies got > out of the NT door is a different matter. > Then again, a passenger shed near > Club Nacional was constructed by the > Rotary Club. At the GRAND opening ... -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 843 NAVHIND TIMES EDITORIAL
Is this a question about supplying food centrally? I think the focus needs to be on bringing efficiency and transparency into the system. Very few questions are asked as to who gets the contracts, and on what basis. Meanwhile, events such as these are simply converted into an excuse to go on a rampage against potentially-oppositional NGOs (even if they play an opposition role only very mildly). FN 2009/8/15 Tony de Sa : > All of Goa's schools can be supplied with mid-day meals which are centrally > cooked in two or three centres. I had read earlier in Outlook that this was > being very successfully done in AP. Goa is a small state and this is a God > given chance to prove out mettle (We Goans like to pretend we are different > from the other 'Indians'. so here's our chance to show we are different.) -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Local businessman, 32, drowned at Miramar beach
- BOOK RELEASE: Medieval Goa by Teotonio R. de Souza Will be re-released after 30 years on August 21, 2009 at 5:15pm at Goa Chambers of Commerce and Industry Hall, near Azad Maidan in Panjim, Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com - Aren't we being a tad uncharitable, possibly without knowing the facts? Wonder if we would have said the same if the unfortunate young man had been a relative of ours. FN 2009/8/17 Gabriel de Figueiredo : > Ignorance. And maybe alcohol-fuelled bravado, or the 'I know better' attitude. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Local businessman, 32, drowned at Miramar beach
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I disagree and don't feel that we should bring in regional sentiments
("any Goan worth his salt"... "a number of Indians") into a tragic
matter like death. It could happen to anyone. Hindsight is
perfect-vision, 20/20, as they say. It just takes a minute or two to
take a life-threatening decision. May this happen to fewer people.
What a waste of a productive life. And, in the meantime, may we have
the wisdom to build those structures that minimise the needless waste
of such lives!
Condolences to the young man's family. It could have also been any of ours! FN
2009/8/18 Gabriel de Figueiredo :
> Sorry, I am not being uncharitable here. Any Goan
> worth his salt knows that going into those waves
> in this season, is suicidal. Same with having had a
> drink and going into the waters, even in calmer seas.
> I've had a family friend die like that in the early sixties.
> FYI, a number of Indians have died here and in New
> Zealand by ignoring the posted signs. "Danger - do
> not cross" seems to be an invitation to some.
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Re: [Goanet] Camoes on Kerala
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com Is this what you were searching for: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/1416170589/ 2009/8/18 Gabriel de Figueiredo : > Perhaps the statue to Luis de Camões that once > stood at Old Goa could be sent to Kerala along > with the pedestal on which it originally stood > and tells a story. > > BTW, where is the statue now? -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Kerkar Art Complex Invite
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com Ironically, the apologists of one set of bigots are citing the other case of bigotry to justify their stance. FN 2009/8/19 George Pinto : > A few years ago, some extremists shut down The > DA VINCI Code movie in Goa, now other self-appointed > moral police want to impose their personal values > on everyone in a secular democracy. Our freedoms > are too precious to leave to the extremists. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Camoes on Kerala
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com 2009/8/19 Bernado Colaco : > The Camoes statue is placed in one of the > corridors of a church in Old Goa. In the > late sixties terrorists planted bombs to bring > the statue down, but failed. Thanks to > the bandodcar pogrom the bust of Vasco da > Gama also disappeared overnight from the > square in Pangim and so did the statue of > Afonso de Albuquerque from the Miramar > circle which is now sinking. Dear Bernado, The "corridors of a church" you talk about are the galleries of the Archaeological Survey of India museum at Old Goa at the convent portion of the church of St. Francis of Assisi. [http://www.asi.nic.in/asi_museums_oldgoa.asp] The terrorists you see are probably another man's freedom fighters. The "Bandodcar pogrom" you imagine was a post-colonial reaction/policy of those who ascended power in Goa in 1963. The Pangim you mention is Panaji today, though I would have been happier to call it as everyone else does here, 'Ponn'je'. The statue of Afonso de Albuquerque from the Miramar circle you lament the loss of was replaced by a statue to Goan unity (a bit stereotyped in its depiction of a couple of Goan Hindu and Christian, I presume, males... and the torch from their hand has long vanished... perhaps symbolic of the mistrust we let grow among and within diverse communities here). Just curious to know: what gave you the impression that the Miramar circle is "sinking"? As far as flame-baits goes, yours was a well crafted one :-) FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Books in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com 2009/8/19 Bernado Colaco : > Arre baba has Singbal Bookstore and the one next > to it closed down. Bernado, You're right about Singbal's. Next to them, do you mean Sardesai? AFAIK, they're focussed more on text books. There are many other bookstores in Goa, but my focus was on ones who take the extra step to promote Goa books. Singbal's too has a fair collection of Goa books... FN PS: The other issues -- Contacto Goa, Inquisition, Rohit, historians, Tuam, Mhamai Kamat roots and the collective insanity you see taking over Goa -- I won't comment on here :-) -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Who is the "Dilli savage"?
August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992 For a list of World Goa Day events see: http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com This all reminds me of someone I know. His name is Rajan Parrikar! FN 2009/8/20 Rajan P. Parrikar : > A better way to pose the question is, What are the characteristics > of the "Dilli savage"? Some of these may be enumerated: > > 1) The Dilli savage imagines herself to be the centre of the > universe. She is a bully, first and last, and uses her rank > and ill-gotten wealth to get her way > > 2) The Dilli savage has no regard for rules of civility in public > and tries her utmost to be uncouth in her dealings
Re: [Goanet] Talk on Free/ Open Source Software (FOSS) in Moira on 22/08/2009
August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY
Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the
Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992
For a list of World Goa Day events see:
http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com
There are other, and better, reasons for switching over to FLOSS
(Free/Libre and Open Source Software) other than the fear of
anti-"piracy" drives, in my view.
http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html
http://www.osnews.com/story/6710&page=1
http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/53024
http://wikiwikiweb.de/FrederickNoronha
Free as in Education – Significance of Free/Libre and Open Source
Software for Developing countries
http://formin.finland.fi/Public/download.aspx?ID=12290&GUID={0CAAC394-B666-4F6F-BFF5-AC5CDA5D5193}
Liberation Technology
Can free software and open source help third-world countries?
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6925
FN
2009/8/20 Tony de Sa :
> ATTENTION, HOME COMPUTER USERS!
> Are you using unlicensed software on your
> computer?
> Computers are increasingly becoming a part of our daily lives, and the
> number of computers in homes is
> steadily increasing. Few of us actually know if the software we’re using is
> licensed or not. We very often,
> innocently, just use the software the dealer installed in our computers.
> Software licenses can cost tens of ...
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Re: [Goanet] Mario, Kerala and Cuba
August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992 For a list of World Goa Day events see: http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com 2009/8/20 marlon menezes : > Sorry to be bringing up a red herring, or should > I say a red flag, but Kerala also just happens > to have had a communist led alliance leading > it for the past few decades. Actually, Kerala had the first democratically elected Communist government in the world, in 1957. Since then, it has been alternating in the parties it selected to rule the State. When I visited Kerala to cover one election in the mid-1990s, it struck me that the electorate there had been alternating between the Left and the Congress with amazing regularity! Incidentally, given the way parties have evolved over the years, it would not be wrong to say that the CPI(M) in India, despite their label, is today more of a social-democratic party. The harder versions of the Left work mostly out of the jungles. FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] [goanet] Who is REALLY running India?
August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992 For a list of World Goa Day events see: http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com I guess one could selectively choose facts of this kind to come to just about any conclusion... FN PS: I admire the Malyalees (as people from Kerala are known) for being a hardworking and smart bunch. But I guess others have diverse qualities too, depending on what criteria one uses to judge 'em. 2009/8/20 Mario Goveia : > While a small army of Goan crabs from politicians > to bureaucrats to developers are busy tearing > Goa down, people from another Indian state are > busy building India up > 1. Indian Defense Minister is from Kerala > 2. Indian Foreign Secretary is from Kerala > 3. Chief Justice of India is from Kerala ... -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] GPDF dabbles with GBA bluffs
August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992 For a list of World Goa Day events see: http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com 2009/8/20 soter : > address. The reason I did not want to share the > platform with the Dr. was nothing personal, > but purely on matter of certain principles > and ideological differences related to local > self-governance. I just did not want to share > the same platform in regards to empowerment > of Panchayats with someone who on earlier > occassions had mocked and ridiculed my > proposals for Village Panchayats to be at the cent Soter, if you ask me (I know you didn't!) you should give up trying to make personal differences and perceived slights of the past look like yawning ideological divides. Knowing the activist in Goa over many years now, and appreciating the sacrifices quite a few have made, I'm appalled by (i) their big egos and (ii) their ability to keep life-long bitterness over trivia. Left to themselves, they'll finish each other. We don't need any Regional Plan, Gram Panchayat law, builders lobby, and what not! At the end of the day, everyone is convinced that their *own* position is right, and every one else is either wrong, bigoted, bought-over or biased! This is then given an 'ideological' gloss to justify the same over time. When seen even from a slight distance, the whole affair looks quite comical! I do think personal likes and dislikes play a big role in whom we decide to work with. That's understandable. But then, why make such a big fetish out of it? If "ideology" is the matter, how would you justify yourself being the BJP Minority Morcha chief in Goa, turning very critical of the BJP, and then finding a close ally in, say, a Rajan Parrikar? --FN PS: Okay, you better not pretend you didn't see me, the next time we meet in Cafe Prakash :-) -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Talk on Free/ Open Source Software (FOSS) in Moira on 22/08/2009
August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992 For a list of World Goa Day events see: http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com Hi Tony, Forget about "piracy", I basically think this is an immoral law, just about as moral as laws protecting slavery once were. I don't subscribe too much to the "Open Source" but am a Free Software supporter. Do you mean to suggest that if anti-piracy campaigns were stopped or made defunct, the case for Free Software would be dead? I think Free Software (or Open Source) campaigns should not be propelled by fear! A definition, from which the benefits would become apparent: OPENQUOTE Free software or software libre is software that can be used, studied, and modified without restriction, and which can be copied and redistributed in modified or unmodified form either without restriction, or with minimal restrictions only to ensure that further recipients can also do these things and that manufacturers of consumer-facing hardware allow user modifications to their hardware. Free software is available gratis (free of charge) in most cases. CLOSEDQUOTE To me, Free Software offers me freedom (not just from anti-piracy campaigns), the potential to share knowledge and skills, the chance to build up talent even in a village, access to tonnes of resources, a collaborative style of working, and the most powerful gift of all -- knowledge! FN 2009/8/21 Tony de Sa : > I am aware that there are other reasons, but we had to fit our > argument into a single A4 page that could be distributed as a flier in > the local newspaper, as compared to the huge text in your first link, > which we would have had to print and bind books to distribute (might > have been good business for you though) -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] GPDF dabbles with GBA bluffs
August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992 For a list of World Goa Day events see: http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com I have made my point, and Soter's lengthy reply only helps me to make my point! Am not claiming to be an expert on anything, but I have a right to my opinions based on what I've observed around me... sometimes at close quarters! FN PS: The TOI report gives another version of what transpired on the GBA-panchayats issue. 2009/8/21 soter : > - Frederick should keep to selling and publishing > books rather than try potraying himself as an > expert on grass-root activism affairs and a > human relations manager. We have enough > sincere and committed colleagues to guide us > in what is apporpriate and not. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] The Pope's moral blunders on outsourcing S A Aiyar(Times of India)
August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992 For a list of World Goa Day events see: http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com 2009/8/19 Mario Goveia : > False. The real kamaal is Bosco's single-minded > obsession with this person, Aiyar-ji, while > the discussion has passed him by:-)) What are you'll Bambai-ised, Hindi-ised Goenkars talking about? I have no problem with diversity, but I just can't follow your kamaal, camel, kamal dialogue here! Please could someone offer an English-to-English translation :-) FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Thoughts from the back benches..............
August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992 For a list of World Goa Day events see: http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com 2009/8/21 Vivian A. DSouza : > I avoid posting on GoaNet, although I have been a > subscriber almost since its inception. but can no > longer hold back. Hi Vivian, aka Shenzi and Socorrokar, You didn't explain why exactly you "avoid posting". I have seen your posts on Goanet, though occasionally. I recall that earlier too your posts would be occasional (though I might be mistaken here), and that you expressed your interest in staying away from controversy. Or potential controversy. > Lately I have read some rather unpleasant > postings against Samir and Rajan,two individuals > who I greatly admire because they have the guts > to tell it like it is. One may not like the > way they report what they see, but in my not > so humble opinion, they are true Goan patriots. > They may not be not be Catholics like the majority > of posters on this forum. They are individuals who > belong to the majority community in Goa and Your suggestion that Rajan and Samir get criticised (which is not wholly true, I've seen ten times more support for Samir on Goanet than the stray criticism; and even Rajan has his fan following among the conservative Cristao here who share his ideological perspective) is misleading to say the least. To insinuate that they get criticised because "they may not be not be (sic) Catholics like the majority of posters on this forum" is as accurate as saying that I get my share of brickbats because A+ blood flows in my veins, because I supposedly "belong" to a particular caste, because I live in a place called Sonarbhat, or because I wear (mostly) brown underwear! Frankly, I don't like Rajan's conservative and xenophobic politics, which is why I make an occasional comment when I feel the need to speak out. He has been doing so too, here and elsewhere on the Net, in a much more colourful language, which is his prerogative, and has nothing to do with my religion (or lack of it) as your logic would suggest. > care deeply about Goa and the rot that is setting in. > I am glad that there are individuals like Samir > and Rajan around to open our eyes. Please don't help create a "minority psychosis" among the "majority" :-) We have it already among the "minorities: :-) FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
[Goanet] Medieval Goa release... a pictoral report
August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992 For a list of World Goa Day events see: http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com From FN, VM and RMN http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157621978256223/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157621978256223/?page=2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157621978256223/?page=3 From Joel D'Souza http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243...@n00/?saved=1 Also check the Medieval Goa Facebook page below. FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Who is REALLY running India
2009/8/22 Tony de Sa > > > BTW, I thought that Goanet was a GOAN forum. I suppose the Mallus have > their > own forum. It's called Kerala-Thoughts. I'm part of it too, though not as a very active spammer. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kerala-thoughts/ I must confess though, nobody has as yet suspected me of being a Goan or told me not to post there :-) One of my friends there V. Sasi Kumar is as much of a Free Software fanatic as I am. Just far, far technologically superior. FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Indian govt discovers it has balls...
Domnic, is it possible that the Saudi sense of what is right or wrong (depiction of gods as images, non-Koranic religious texts) just clashes with the standards of others? If so, whose conceptions should hold valid in Saudi Arabia itself? When I was a young student in West Germany many moons ago, I found that smooching on a train was quite acceptable, but a group of 15 well-pigmented twenty-something-year-olds from various parts of the Third World sharing a hearty joke on the same train caused consternation! We need to remind ourselves that religious tolerance wasn't a given in most parts of the world till the 19th century. I'm impressed by countries like Malaysia and Bangladesh where, for the most, religion is quite a personal matter contrary to the stereotypes we have and often promote about Muslims. (The latter has a fundamentalist problem in pockets, much like India.) I'm sure there must be many other such countries, which one has not visited. But, for some reason -- or is it, for a reason? -- Saudi Arabia is always created into the poster boy when we need to make a whipping boy of The Other! FN 2009/8/22 Domnic Fernandes : > You are right, Rajan. Every non-Muslim is harassed > at the Saudi Arabian immigration > and customs office, but Hindus are indeed singled out > because they think they are > 'kaafir' - people without a religion. > No idols/religious pictures are allowed into the > Kingdom; when found, they are > dumped in a trash can right under one's nose. > What is shocking is that they don't even respect > our Holy Bible. When they come > across one, it, too, is sent to the trash can! -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Arctic_Indian borders_Kargil_Nathu La, etc. ------Reply
: > Does anyone have an idea of who I talk to/approach to go as a member of > those expeditions that go to that go to the Arctic from Goa Antarctica? FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.
2009/8/23 Gabriel de Figueiredo : > As I had mentioned a few weeks back, the > new generation only looks upon Goa as > one of their holiday destinations. The > younger generation in westernised society > have largely been brought up, whether for... While you guys are being pessimistic from afar, let me tell you why I'm sitting in Goa and don't see everything in such black terms. For the first time in generations, Goa is a place which is not considered largely as a retirement home. People of my generation, quite a few whom I know, have opted to stay on, make Goa base, raise family here, work out of here, and find a satisfaction that only meaningful work (not tonnes of money) can bring. While we crib in cyberspace, many of them have gone on to build a better Goa, in more ways than one! Of course, many others have also opted to move out. But this has to be seen in the background of the fact that it was, till very recently, rather difficult if not impossible to earn a living in Goa, and migration was a necessity, not an aspiration. In the 1970s, many "Africander" Goans returned back, and lent a strong vibrancy to our societies here. Their children, in many cases, have moved back overseas by now. Some have stayed on. But let's not miss the significance that Goa is no longer a retirement home, where even finding a tenant for your empty home could be a tough task (something our politicians were quick to realise!) FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Arctic_Indian borders_Kargil_Nathu La, etc
Fred? 2009/8/23 Venantius J Pinto : > Thanks all. Goanet is now a clearing house for dangerous missions. COOL. > > Fred, yes Antartica. > > venantius j pinto -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.
No, it is just a black legend :-) Cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend FN PS: Please tell us the truth about the latest spat on Goanet. Now, we don't know the truth! I checked in Anjuna. Nobody seems to know. They said it could be some royal dispute between King Edward and King George! 2009/8/24 George Pinto : > --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न > wrote: >> >> While you guys are being pessimistic from afar, let me tell >> you why I'm sitting in Goa and don't see everything in such black terms. > > > Frederick, > > Is it racist to use "black" as a negative above? > > George > -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.
You have a point I. Nunes, but I was on some other point -- the relationship between the Goan and Goa. 2009/8/24 lyrawmn : > One could argue that Goa has become a retirement ' home '. > Not for Goans, but for the many foreigners who can > spot ideal conditions - most would say cheap - in retiring > to Goa. And perhaps running a business on the side! > > Expat enclaves in gated communities with the good, > and good natured natives starring in from outside > the walls. > A kindlier, gentler apartheid, do you think? > I. Nunes Now let's please get out of the way before R. Parrikar comes rushing into our china shop. Or does he not dislike Euro ghantis as much as desi ones? Of course, ghantis from Goa itself (like me and other Goanetters) have some mysterious immunity from being criticised on grounds of immunity :-) FN PS: As Mario says, I used a smiley! -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Indian government discovers it has balls
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary And isn't this true of all monotheistic religions? Wasn't Christianity the same till a few decades ago? Why do we have to keep stereotyping The Other? It's so easy to do this FN 2009/8/24 Domnic Fernandes > > > > Domnic, is it possible that the Saudi sense of what is right or wrong > > (depiction of gods as images, non-Koranic religious texts) just > > clashes with the standards of others? If so, whose conceptions should > > hold valid in Saudi Arabia itself? > > To the Saudis, there is no other religion in the world except Islam. > Period! > As such, they won't listen to any logic that falls outside its perimeters. > > -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Indian government discovers it has balls
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary 2009/8/24 Santosh Helekar : > Domnic's response to Frederick should be eye-opening to people who do not see > the value of a free democracy, and cultural relativists like Frederick who > believe > that there is no right and wrong in this world, even from the standpoint of > what > is good for humanity as a whole OPENQUOTE Cultural relativism is the principle that an individual human's beliefs and activities should be understood in terms of his or her own culture. This principle was established as axiomatic in anthropological research by Franz Boas in the first few decades of the 20th century and later popularized by students. Boas first articulated the idea in 1887: "...civilization is not something absolute, but ... is relative, and ,,, our ideas and conceptions are true only so far as our civilization goes."[1] but did not actually coin the term "cultural relativism." The term became common among anthropologists after Boas' death in 1942, to express their synthesis of a number of ideas Boas had developed; the first use of the term was in the journal American Anthropologist in 1948. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_relativism CLOSEQUOTE -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Konkani cantar sung by Yallapa bassapa
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary Hi Albert, Nice but very patronising! Do other regions of India or countries have songs which portray Goans (who migrated there) in rather negative stereotypes? Is this free speech, or hate speech? FN 2009/8/23 Albert Desouza > > > > Albert de Souza has composed this song:- > Hanv Yallapa Bassapa Goyeam Konkan railwayin fukott ailam, > Montrean maka ghor ravpak bandun dilam, > Bizli petta, udok borpur, chodd ienam maka billam > Tea bhair amcam ration kard korun dilam, mellonk zai mhonn apleak votam... > -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
[Goanet] Between Empires... Rochelle Pinto's book
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary BETWEEN EMPIRES: Print and Politics in Goa. Rochelle Pinto Pp 299 hb Rs 645 Oxford University Press ISBN 9780195690477 Another aspect that might illuminate the question of Hindu Goan subjectivity is the difference in state policy towards the Hindus of the Old Conquest, and those of the New Conquests who were assured religious freedom from the time these territories were acquuired by the state in the eighteenth century. This is evident for instance in Cristiana Bastos' discussion of the religious freedoms granted to Hindu physicians, where she refers to these groups in the Old Conquests as 'Christianized Hindu elites'. The issue of a split relation to colonial culture and state power is therefore not one that has to be posed only between Catholic and Hindu populations, but between the Hindu subjects of the New and Old Conquests as well. p 10-11. [Cunha] Rivara's *An Historical Essay on the Konkani language* of 1857 is perhaps the first concerted effort to argue for state and public patronage for the language. The choice of linguists and commentators through whose works he tried to legitimize his own views was, from a linguistic point of view, arbitrary, and for this reason he is belittled by supporters of Marathi as well as those of Konkani as he evidently had little knowledge of either language. Among those cited where the Orientalist, the Rev. J. Murray Mitchell, Erskine Perry, and Robert Xavier Murphy, the translator to the gtovernment of Bombay in 1852, and the Political Superintendents W. Auld and J. Courtney who had withstood a rebellion at Sawantwadi, a British territory that shared a border with Goa. Other travel writers and lexicographers were an Italian missionary (whose dictionary of Mangalorean Konkani Rivara had published for the first time), as well as the Rev. de Kloguen who had visited Goa around 1829, Araujo de Azavedo, a Portuguese visitor, Felipe Neri Pires and Filipe Nery Xavier, both of whom had produced essays on the grammar of Konkani within the nineteenth century. Almost all of these, travel writers as well as scholars, described the language as a mixture and made a distinction between the spoken and the written forms of the language. De Kloguen for instance claimed, "The poor and those who cannot read, chiefly the women folk, speak this language only." Azavedo had the most confused listing of languages and dialects; he declared that Portuguese was a spoken language along with the 'local language', that the Hindus used a variety of scripts to write in, that those in the New Conquest could write as fast as they spoke these languages, but what they wrote was usually a mixture of dialects. Nery Xavier had a similar account but claimed that the language of the New Conquests was purer and grew more so, the further it moved from the territory of Goa (Old Conquest). Rivara established a lineage for academic interest in Konkani through this motley and often contradictory set of informants and provided proof that it was widely spoken and written. p.102 One of Axelrod and Fuerch's interesting contentions, that the Portuguese focus on trade, and Portugal's position in the world economy left the village economy relatively unchanged (in contrast to the British intervention in local economies, as well as the Spanish settler mode of colonialism), also leads them to locate resistance not in conflicts over resources, of which they say there are not many, but in cultural forms. p 263 JUST TO SAY that I have received a few copies from the author of this book in Goa. Please contact me via goa1...@gmail.com if you'd like to purchase one Rs 645 + postage/packaging (if applicable). FN, for Goa,1556 -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary Guys, While you debate there, even our village club is coming under pressure. There's no external bogey to blame here. This is what I wrote on Saligao-Net recently (if you'll grant me the luxury of quoting myself!): Albert, I'm not sure what we can blame for the decline of the Saligao Institute, from the once lively institution we knew in the 1970s and even 1980s. While the issues you raise are relevant, I don't think this is the whole story. There are, in my mind, other factors responsible too. For instance: * Lack of active volunteers to run its committees. * Reluctance to open up club to wider sections of Saligao * Growing affluence in the village; who needs clubs? * Out-migration from Saligao in the 1990s, compared to in-migration of Africanders etc in the 1970s. * Decline of sport culture. * Demise of the SI library. * Clashes and fights sometimes at dances. * New centres of power in village, leading to shifting out of the Foxes Nite, etc... from SI. * Less community sports in the village, and more in-doors or TV-based entertainment. * Inflation, and remaining stuck at Rs 200 or Rs 700 "life membership" fee rates. * Changing demography of the village, specially age-wise. While we like to criticise, we must also praise the team of women who have been behind the Frank Simoes memorial children's library at the Saligao Institute. Also, if life membership fees cost Rs 700 or so (maybe less, under 12 Euros) how much do we expect out of it in these days of inflation! FN PS: I was since told that life membership has been raised to Rs 2000 over the past two years... 2009/8/24 George Pinto > > > What you have written is unfortunately not unique to London. Goan > clubs/associations are failing because they have not evolved. In the past, > they served their purpose as Goans were new in their surroundings and were > in "survival mode". They are fairly established in their immigrant > communities now, but the calendar has not changed and the events held are > the same as 40 years ago, one reason for the loss of interest among youth. > Singing, picnicking, and dancing alone does not cut it with the youth. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary I think you'll guys are collectively smearing Mugabe. Whatever he might be at this point of time, he doesn't waste so much time on the Net. I'm sure :-) FN 2009/8/25 Eddie Fernandes > > > I really cannot believe anyone can believe otherwise unless one is a > Mugabe. > Now is that a smear of a statement of fact? > > Speak up man! > > Eddie Fernandes > > -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Medieval Goa a parody and waste of trees
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary Three responses... (1) Ole Xac could criticise the book whether he read it or not; the question is whether he's on target (2) When I googled for "communist historian", I came across Eric Hobsbawm who has been described as one of the "greatest living historian". But how is this relevant to the debate here? (3) Again, not relevant to a debate about understanding a Goa of the 17th century. Of course, I don't agree with what Xac is saying, but he has a right to say what he feels... FN 2009/8/24 Santosh Helekar > > > > Three questions for Bernado. 1) Has he read the book? 2) Is he a communist > historian? 3) Is he allowed to criticize his country China? > > Cheers, > > Santosh > > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bernado Colaco wrote: > > > > The current edition of Medieval Goa by the Portuguese > > historian Teotonio Sousa in my opinion is comical. The > > excerpts of the book placed on GN is enough for one to > > understand the rancour the author holds against his country > > Portugal. > -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Ted Kennedy Mourned. - Comments
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary 2009/8/28 Gabe Menezes > RESPONSE: Cornel even writes about the happenings on Goanet which are > report > on Goan Voice; here is the latest installment:- > In computing, it is called being on 'read only' mode :-) FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] The Kennedys, and India.
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary I guess Chacha Alfred is allowed to get on with name dropping, without any looking askance. Isn't he, after all, the guy who found the bullet which felled Olof Palme? Don't tell me I'm wrong, Chacha! FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
[Goanet] CRZ Goa Consultation
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary -- Forwarded message -- From: sujeet.don...@ceeindia.org Date: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:21 AM Subject: [andamanicobar] CRZ Goa Consultation To: andamanico...@yahoogroups.co.in Dear All, Ministry of Environment and Forests, Government of India has commissioned Centre for Environment Education (CEE) to hold public consultations with Fishermen Federations, NGOs, CBOs and other stakeholders across the country to get their views/opinions on the review committee report on CMZ 2008. CEE is holding 5 consultations each in Mumbai, Goa, Cochin, Chennai and Bhubaneswar where the Hon. Minister for Environment and Forests, Government of India has agreed to be part of it. The Goa Consultation is scheduled on 30th August 2009 (Sunday). Venue: Fr. Agnel Ashram, Opposite Padre Conceicao College of Engineering, Verna, Salcette, Goa (Note: The venue is 5kms from Madgao towards Panaji) Timing: 02 PM to 06 PM. I request the concerned groups and individual to participate in the consultation and contribute towards making the coastal regulation more effective. For further details, please visit our website www.ceeindia.org With regards Sujeetkumar M. Dongre Dy. Programme Coordinator CEE Goa State Office C/O. SCERT, Alto Porvorim, Bardez, Goa Telefax: 0832-2416164, Mobile: 09422063917 Email: sujeet.dongre@ ceeindia. Org -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
[Goanet] Indian sanitation innovator receives Stockholm Water Prize
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary Nice to see Chacha Alfred's report on a topic we had debated earlier on Goanet. Btw, Pathak is the founder of the Saulab Sauchalayas, which have helped the situation in parts of urban Goa, specially areas where a number of travellers pass by and need inexpensive and relatively clean sanitation facilities. Rural Goa, of course, has long had its own solutions, even if derided and neglected! Piggy toilets might work, but the pigs have vanished. FN -- Forwarded message -- Indian sanitation expert receives Stockholm Water Prize By Alfred de Tavares Stockholm, Aug 21 (IANS) Indian sanitation expert Bindeshwar Pathak was awarded the 2009 Stockholm Water Prize, the most prestigious award for outstanding achievement in water-related activities that has become akin to a Nobel Prize on environmental issues. Sanitation is humanity's and the world's most urgent and critical crisis of our times," Pathak told IANS and added: "However, it is not, yet, an unsolvable crisis but a huge challenge. It will require massive, dedicated and selfless labour to achieve the goal." Pathak received the award Thursday from H.R.H. Prince Carl Philip of Sweden. The Stockholm Water Prize, which was first presented in 1991, includes a $150,000 award and a crystal sculpture. It honours individuals, institutions or organisations whose work contributes broadly to the conservation and protection of water resources and improves the health of the planet's inhabitants and ecosystems. "The correlation between sanitation and disease is dramatic and unmistakable," said Anders Berntell, executive director of the Stockholm International Water Institute (SIWI). "Yet, at the current rate of progress, we are going to miss the Millennium Development Goal for sanitation by more than 700 million people, leaving still 2.4 billion people without adequate sanitation by 2015, about the same number as today. By any standard, this is unacceptable. We need the political will to translate our intentions into meaningful action." In seminars, workshops, and side events during the week, participants have explored the causes, health impacts and possible solutions to inadequate sanitation that currently affects more than 2.6 billion people across the planet, kills over 5,000 children daily, and causes the illnesses that fill half of the hospital beds in the developing world. The topics include manual scavenging, sanitation for the urban poor, financing of sanitation, and the effects that climate change could have on sanitation, among many other subjects. "The sanitation problem has a complex solution," Jon Lane, executive director of the Water Supply and Sanitation Collaborative Council (WSSCC), told IANS. "If it was easy it would have been done by now. It needs a systemic intervention. This involves politicians, educators, entrepreneurs, technologists, financiers and philanthropists. Each has a particular role to play." Inadequate sanitation and its devastating effects on the world's poor comprise humanity's most urgent, yet solvable crisis, according to international leaders and experts convening at the 2009 World Water Week in Stockholm. The founder of Sulabh Sanitation Movement in India, Pathak is known around the world for his wide-ranging work in the sanitation field. He has worked to improve public health, has advanced social progress, and has improved human rights in his home nation and other countries. His accomplishments span the fields of sanitation technology, social enterprise, and health care education for millions of people, serving as a model for NGOs and public health initiatives around the world. "If water is honoured by the prize being named after it, the importance of sanitation, its sibling, cannot be left far behind," Pathak said in his acceptance speech. "The two complement rather than compete with each other. Provision of sanitation provides dignity and safety, especially to women, and reduction of child mortality. As a matter of fact, safe water and sanitation go hand in hand for improvement of community health." Jan Eliasson, a Swedish official and chair of WaterAid Sweden, told IANS: "Finally we are paying due attention to this looming catastrophe. I am glad to say that Dr. Pathak is eminently and uniquely suited to take this daunting challenge in hand." -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Would anyone have Konkani words for the following?
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary Yeah, Isidore is very good on the English-to-Konkani side of translation work. (The amazing thing is that he spent much of his life outside Goa, just like you Venantius.) For Konkani (Devanagari)-to-English translations, I feel my own one-time classmate and Dempo College lecturer Augusto Pinto is simply superb. He's a returned 'Africander', which goes with what it means (reading a lot of English literature, whatever!) FN 2009/8/29 Venantius J Pinto : > > I had missed seeing Isidore Dantas' Koknani words. Very admirable. > > venantius j pinto -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Fw: Eduardo the bono and Dr. Teo's Medicine... or Euthanasia?
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary
For what? Spreading canards and innuendo? ... Another side
2009/8/26 eric pinto :
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> Some of it comes from the Ministry of Art & Culture, some more from
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From Herald, Aug 29, 2009
LETTER OF THE DAY: Setting the record straight
Eduardo Faleiro, Commissioner for NRI Affairs, Goa
Two letters published recently in your newspaper ('Intimidating the
Church?' by Averthanus I D'Souza, on 25 August, and 'Anti-Church
Zealtory' by Dr FAncisco Colaco, on 27 August) call upon me to state
why I raised the question of transparency and accountability in the
management of Church properties. The reason is contained in the
correspondence between myself and the Archbishop of Goa. I will
release this correspondence to the media within 24 hours if the Most
Rev Archbishop indicates that he has no objection to it.
It is, however, advisable in such cases not to be distracted by
personal motivation, to address issues objectively and to decide on
merits. Commissioners for NRI Affairs do not cease to be citizen.
Every citizen has a duty to contribute to the betterment of society,
religious institutions not excluded, to the extent of his/her
knowledge and experience. Those who have been in public life for
decades have an added responsibility in this regard.
Over the last few years, I have travelled extensively across the
country -- from Kashmir to Tamil Nadu, from Orissa to Gujarat, and
also to the North-East -- to understand Christianity in India today. I
stayed with Cardinals and Bishops, in the humble homes of priests, and
the yet humbler abodes fo tribal people, and interacted with all of
them. I gathered some idea of how the Catholic Church and other
religious denominations function in India, their achievements and
shortcomings.
There was enver any question of handing over Church properties to the
government. This is prohibited by Article 26 and other provisions of
the Constitution of India, and is not desirable in any case.
What was suggested is a law to provide for management of these
properties, broadly in line with the laws existing in INdia for all
religious denominations (except Christianity) and on the lines of laws
dealing with the Catholic Church and other Christian denominations in
Western countries.
At this stage, however, it would be appropriate to wait for review by
the ecclesiastical authorities themselves of their present system of
management, so as to improve upon it. Then, a law enacted by teh
government may not be necessary. The suggestions made on this matter
at the Round Table Conference held last week will be forwarded to the
Archdiocese of Goa and to the Catholic Bishops Conference of India for
their consideration.
One of the letter writers accuses me of some kind of sectarian remark.
I do not think or speak in such terms, and I abhor communalists of all
sorts in equal measure. The other letter writer would like to know
whether funds from my office were utilised to hold the two
conferences. No funds from from office or, indeed, from any government
department, were spent for the purpose.
[Correspondence on this subject is hereby closed. --Editor.]
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[Goanet] SITEWATCH: http://drppshirodkar.blogspot.com/
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary A blog of Goa former archives director Dr PP Shirodkar, who spends time at Bangalore. His contacts: 9823 769410 ppshirod...@rediffmail.com http://drppshirodkar.blogspot.com/ QUOTE Dr. Prakashchandra Pandurang Shirodkar (68) hails from the illustrious family of Goa. Eldest son of the late Shri. Pandurang P. Shirodkar, one of the most prominent freedom fighters of Goa and the first Speaker of the Goa, Daman and Diu Legislative Assembly, he had his doctorate in Political Science from the University of Bombay. At 21, he joined the field of journalism in 1962 and wrote an extensive column on Foreign Affairs in Sunday Maratha (Marathi) of the late Acharya P. K. Atre. He joined the Free Press Journal, Mumbai in 1967 and was its Chief Sub-Editor in 1976 when he left it to join the Directorate of Archives, Archaeology and Museum, Goa where he was appointed as its Director in 1980, the post which he held for about two decades. He was also the Executive Editor of the Goa Gazetteer Department for about 20 years. Since 1962, his entire life has been devoted to research. Author of several books and numerous research articles, he has put a focus on the panorama of the Portuguese colonial history from Brazil to Africa to South East Asia. A prolific writer and research scholar, some of his books namely 'Researches in Indo-Portuguese History (2 Vols.), 'Goa's Struggle for Freedom', 'Kolhapur-Portuguese Sambandh' and 'Portuguese Palaeography' are well-known as authoritative works. He has been on the Executive Committee of the International Seminar on Indo-Portuguese History, Lisbon for two terms. He has contributed several research papers to the international and national seminars and edited several books. He had been specifically invited as representative of Asia to contribute on India and Brazil through the Ages to the Fifth Centenary Commemoration Volume on the Discovery of Brazil by the Universidade Metodista de Piracicaba, Brazil. He is considered as one of the few experts in the field of Portuguese Palaeography. He has been the Founder Editor of Colloquium, a research journal of the Goa Institute for Historical and Cultural Research as well as Purabhilekh-Puratatva, a research journal of the Directorate of Archives, Archaeology and Museum, Goa (1986-1999). He was instrumental in the discoveries of the largest Megalithic Mother Goddess in the country, the 5-km long port wall of Kadambas, Mesolithic period rock art carvings of Usgalimal and Kajur and numerous Megaliths of Goa. He has contributed much to Goan history, archaeology, art, history, numismatics, etymology and anthropology. He had been associated with the Goa University right from its inception and besides having been the Guide in History, he was on its various academic bodies including the Academic Council for over two decades.. He has been associated with several academic and research institutions in the country and abroad. The present work is the magnum opus, which can be considered as the most glorious chapter in his 46-year research life. For Contact: Email: ppshirod...@rediffmail.com Mob: 09823769410 Ph(s): (0832) 6524346 / 2415850 UNQUOTE -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] social reform
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary Hi Floriano, Isn't this the Padri Bhas/Bamon Bhas language, which we hear so much of in officialese, but is seldom used by the average Konkani speaker in day-to-day use? Just curious... FN PS: I recall a tiatrist poking fun of the BSNL recording about all the phones being "kaamant guntleat". Maybe someone could offer a better insight into the connotations here. 2009/8/29 floriano : > Aum somaj sudhraupachem kam kortam. > Aum somaj sudhraupachea vavranth guntlolo assam. > Aum somaj sudhraupacho vauvr kortam. > Aum somaj sudhraupi vavradi zaun assam. > floriano -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Swines and Swindon
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary 2009/8/29 Tony de Sa : > You demean all Moidekars and all Goychis with your crab mentality and 'free > advice'. > And one for the way: Why do you hide behind the skirts of a pseudonym? Arrey baba Tony, is the usage "Goychis" right? If I'm not mistaken, this usage (or another variation of it) was first brought up by amcho own Pandu Lapiao. Is it a right form of address? Just curious? FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Goa... to Doha
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary Of course, I agree. The need to leave Goa these days is much less than in the past... People can earn a living, and ALSO play a useful social role, from Goa itself. Why not? Of course, keeping aspirations within limits. FN 2009/8/30 Ronald Fernandez : > Brother Goan, its great chartered flights are being scheduled for Goa soon, > but we > Goans who are out of Goa since the Portugues rule must return fast and called > to look after the food resouces in Goa. Our rice, coconuts etc are very > special; funds lying in Banks must be put to productive use! Lets awake! -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] PP Shridokar
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary Dear Ole, Are you really worried about the *number* of historians, or the stand they take, which might not tally with your pre-1961 perspective? FN 2009/8/30 Bernado Colaco : > Goa has so many historians. It is like a number of > iron ore mines. Most of this chaps and > chappies concentrate on 450 years of Portuguese > presence. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Phony ID unmasked. Cedrico = Jamima
Dear all: Using a pseudonym to target someone else can sometimes be problematic or troublesome. (I say *sometimes* because, at other times, there could well be a reason for it. There was a big debate elsewhere in cyberspace not long ago about the now-inactive penpricks.blogspot.com anonymous-except-towards-the-end blog on Goan journalism.) A couple of points I'd like to add: * This is not the only critique of Rajan Parrikar's Rape of Goa, and not all are anonymous. While Rajan responds here by attacking the anonymity, there are other crucial (in my view) issues raised by the other RP bete noir Jason Keith Fernandes here: http://dervishnotes.blogspot.com/2008/06/rape-of-goaas-tool-to-save-goa.html QUOTE ‘The Rape of Goa’ is filled not only with multiple images of violences being visited on Goa and Goans, it is also filled with captions that provoke the viewer. In this slick production, music lends itself to the captions presented to the viewer. These captions by and large point out that the ‘developments’ in Goa are by outsiders and for outsiders, in connivance with a bunch of politicians, builders and miners. Overcome with the visuals being presented, one of the viewers at the Hotel Mandovi, was forced to cry out “Ye soglen Ghanti!” (All these Ghatties!). This is exactly the kind of response that ‘The Rape of Goa’ is expected to draw. The documentary seeks to provoke you, and then push you into a series of actions based on that provocation. UNQUOTE and also QUOTE: Goa has seen numerous movements in the past, one of which was the Konkani language agitation that similarly created the enemy in the shape of Marathi. This image of the enemy was mobilized the masses, who were eventually let down. The goodies of state recognition were gathered by elite groups, and those reliant on the Roman script were left out, as their accent and script was deemed less that proper. In this context then, we must perhaps contemplate if what we had were not mass movements but mob movements? Mobs that were created, and carefully manipulated by those at the helm of power? The common person is not served by such mobilizations, only elite groups are, and in the present mobilization we should strive hard to stay away from such tendencies. UNQUOTE There are indeed issues worth discussing more closely here. At another level, I know that Rajan Parrikar also once accused me of writing a (badly penned, I would say) article under the name of Someone Waghmare. This article was a boorish defence of the right to in-migrate into Goa. (While I do believe that migrants into Goa should have their rights too, I do not agree that just about any silly arguments should be used to debate this. Using poor arguments and badly-crafted ones could actually be counterproductive and cause more trouble than anything else to an already largely disempowered section of the population.) Partly out of pique and as a strategy, I consciously kept silent for awhile, and let Rajan repeat his charges, which he did publicly though covering it with a laugh at Cafe Prakash too. On being challenged a bit later, he simply pointed to the charge as having emanated from a common friend, Soter! This is hardly a defence, as there is no reason to even repeat false accusations. But after repeating the charge a few more times, I'm sure these guys still sometimes believe I'm the 'Waghmare' behind the article! So much for pseudonyms! FN 2009/8/31 Benedict Lobo : > Looks like a job well done by Parrrikar. > If not,, Jamima (if that is your real name) is free > to call me on 050-6746091and who knows you > might actually convince us.Whoever you are, as a ... >> From: Jamima Dias >> Subject: [Goanet] Dubai-AUH Goans Beware >>Dear Goan brothers in Dubai=AUH. >>there is an attempt to further polarise the Goan community by >>injecting bitter bile and poison your minds about Goa through >>a campaign by raising panic among the Goans in Dubai and Auh. >>Please do not fall prey to any malicious presentations through >>photography being used to promote a hidden communial agenda >>and try and target a secular democratically elected Goan government. >>It is a shame that the Dubai church, or parish, overtly controlled >>by the malyalam fathers will allow the small group of Goans >>promoting the 'save Goa issue which is actually a front >>supported by Goa's main opposition party the BJP through >>photo campaigns and strong bitter words like loot and Rape. >>Please avoid this and boycott such meetings and people. >>A hard effort was made recently by the same fellows to >>encroach into Goan communities in Oman. The perpetuator >>of the documentary titled, rape of Goa was shunted out and >>shown the door as all in Oman are aware of his communial >>linkage with top anti minority parties in Goa. >> >>Please be careful my dear fellow Goans in the Gulf. >> >>Kind regards >>Jamima -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http
Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese
Oscar, you seem to be referring to the 19th or 20th century. The book in question relates to 17th century Goa. Have you, by any chance, an idea of the points it is making? Or are you going by commonly-held perceptions which might not be grounded in reality? FN 2009/9/1 Oscar Lobo : > Re: Goans lived in misery under Portuguese. > It is interesting to see comments made about Goans living in misery > during Portuguese rule. I must say these are "shamai stories" heard by Goans > who were not in Goa. Some Goans of Bombay who left Goa would also say the > same as they did not want to learn Portuguese language to get a job in > government and other offices in Goa. > I was raised up in Goa and educated in St. Britto's High School. > The Goans had indeed plenty to eat, drink and share with the neighbours. > What are we talking about like some Ladro, Pedro and Ladrao? > It surprises me that people who do not have a clue just depend on books that > are written to attract readership and keep commenting about Goa. > If not for Portuguese what would our names be today? And why are some > Portuguese words still incorporated in Konkani? -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Religion and Tolerance
Caj, The posts on Goanet are for bigots like us :-) FN PS: We always believe that only The Other is a bigot! Even they do! 2009/9/1 Cajetan Alvares : > * Tue Sep 1 00:00:18 PDT 2009 > *Sandeep Heble > > Hi, > Sorry, but I fail to understand the Philosophical article on the above > topic. > Who demolished the statue of Buddha, in Afghanistan? > Who wants to demolish the Babri temple? > Writing articles on Goanet is not going to educate the above (Quote) fools > who break the door! > Caj. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Religion and Tolerance
2009/9/1 Mario Goveia : > Christian fascism flourished and ended > hundreds of years ago. Islamic fascism > is on the march today and some far milder > Hindu fascism within India as well. Always easier to point fingers at The Other! I believe every religious and non-religious ideology (including secularism and Science!) has its own phases of bigotry and intolerance. The more open we are to accepting this, working for reform, and placing self-correcting checks and balances in place, the better! FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Religion and Tolerance
A bigot is a person who is obstinately and irrationally, often intolerantly, devoted to his or her own religion, political party, organization, belief, or opinion, especially one who regards or treats those of differing devotion with hatred and intolerance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry The Science-can-do-no-wrong, if-it-does-wrong-it-is-not-Science, the-rest-of-the-world-has-to-be-corrected-to-my-way-of-thinking we've seen (even on Goanet) makes me feel that Science might sometimes have the same arrogance that we accuse (probably not wrongly) the world of religion or communalism or politics or nationalism. As for 'secularism', there are many interpretations of what this term means. In the Indian context, the militant attempt at debunking religious views, seems to have pushed believers only deeper into the arms of the fundamentalists. This is only my opinion. Please don't Galelio-ise me for it! Besides, I obviously don't have the proof necessary to subject these views through the tests necessary for making this work as Scientific Evidence. But since you asked my views nonetheless, and a quote from the W'pedia! FN 2009/9/2 Santosh Helekar : > --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न > wrote: >> I believe every religious and non-religious ideology >> (including secularism and Science!) has its own phases of bigotry and >> intolerance. > What are the phases of bigotry and intolerance of secularism and science? > Please describe them in at least a couple of paragraphs. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
[Goanet] DI: Mando book to be released on Sept 6, 2009
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Two new showrooms/office spaces, double height (135 sq m each with bath) for lease in upscale Campal/Miramar beach area, Panaji, Goa. Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com There seems to be some confusion in the date of this announcement, with the date being rendered both as Sept 5 and 6. --FN -- Forwarded message -- From: John Aguiar MANDO BOOK TO BE RELEASED ON SEPT. 5 Sept. 4, 2009 A well documented prestigious Mando book , a compilation of rare engravings depicting "Ancient Goa's" cultural aspect and historic journey, coupled with poetic songs composed and harmonised by our ansestors and compiled by Shri C. M. Estibeiro will be released at the hands of Shri Tomazinho Cardozo, President of Tiatr Academy, Goa in the presence of Fr. Domnic Alvares, Nephew of late C. Alvares at Basilica of Bom Jesus, Old Goa on Septemebr 6, 2009 at 12.00 noon. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Coconut-related Konkani terms
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Two new showrooms/office spaces, double height (135 sq m each with bath) for lease in upscale Campal/Miramar beach area, Panaji, Goa. Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com Wow, if the Eskimos have so many words for ice, I'm amazed at the number of terms for parts and products of the coconut tree in Goa. Thanks Dr Borges! FN 2009/8/31 Sebastian Borges : The folowing are the coconut-related terms compiled in the "English - Konkani vocabulary" to be published by Goa Konkani Akademi. Almost all are taken from S.R. Dalgado's "Portuguese - Konknni Dictionary" (1905); some terms in use outside Goa have been omitted. Singular and plural forms (when given) are separated by a dash ( - ) -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Act against Hate Speech
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Two new showrooms/office spaces, double height (135 sq m each with bath) for lease in upscale Campal/Miramar beach area, Panaji, Goa. Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com 2009/9/5 Sandeep Heble : > A truncated version of this Letter appears in Herald(Sep 5) The right word would probably be 'edited', keeping in mind that newspapers don't have unlimited space to carry letters of any length, and are often editing-for-space rather than for blocking one's ideas. I've also seen people mix up between a 'moderated' mailing-list, and a 'censored' one. Then, a number of people say that a patient was 'released' from hospital, when they mean s/he was 'discharged'. Small but subtle and crucial differences. --FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] FW: PLEASE CONTRIBUTE TO CARITAS GOA, INSTITUTE PIEDADE, NEAR HOTEL MANDOVI, PANJIM.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Two new showrooms/office spaces, double height (135 sq m each with bath) for lease in upscale Campal/Miramar beach area, Panaji, Goa. Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com Caritas-Goa Tel +91-832-2226509 cari...@caritasgoa.org Director: Fr Valeriano Vaz. Members: Fr Victor Rodrigues; Ms Isabel Santa Rita Vas; Fr Arlino de Melo; Dr Roque Ribeiro, Sr Mary Jane sfn Gender co-ordinator: Sr Alda Paes, sac Office Assistants: Ms Lorraine Rebello, Mrs Linda Rodrigues Office Hours: 8.30 am to 2 pm, Saturday 8.30 am to 1.30 pm Source:ectory, Archdiocese of Goa and Daman, 2008-09. 2009/9/7 Ruby Goes : > May I have the phone no of Caritas Goa? > Thanks, -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
[Goanet] Moira forum's meet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Two new showrooms/office spaces, double height (135 sq m each with bath) for lease in upscale Campal/Miramar beach area, Panaji, Goa. Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com Moira forum's meet PANJIM (HND): The Moira Civic and Consumer Forum (MCCF) will hold its monthly meeting of consumers on September 9 at 4.30 pm at the resident of Maggi D'Sa, Calizor, Moira. Among the issues to be discussed are: water contamination in wells in Moira; state consultation on CRZ notification and pollution of Moira River; Gramsabha Zagrut Za-GOACAN awareness campaign; precautions for bank account holders in light of bank frauds; implementation of high security registration plates; traffic committee and road traffic plan; JERC standards of performance for electricity; hike in Goa Dairy milk prices; implications of Panchayat Raj (Amendment) Bill 2009 and Consumer Rights (Right to Consumer Education). Besides this, other service-related problems of electricity, LPG cylinder supply, PWD water supply, bus transport, post office, BSNL telephones, broadband etc and preparation of identity cards for senior citizens will be discussed. (Herald Sept 8, 2009.) MOIRA-NET at http://groups.google.com/group/moira-net -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Watering Holes in Goa.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Two new showrooms/office spaces, double height (135 sq m each with bath) for lease in upscale Campal/Miramar beach area, Panaji, Goa. Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com Good and useful question, Rui Nuvo. But are there any Goanetters in Goa? Most of them are in places like Macau, Nassau and the land of João Rodrigues Cabrilho and Sir Francis Drake! You can check us out in this modest hole-in-the-wall called Cafe Prakash (an institution, in part because the Konkani writers have had their headquarters nextdoor, and now us hacks have descended on it). Best to announce your plans, so you meet the right people (not a big crowd). For some of our meetings, we've held a rendezvous at the Miramar Foodland. Good venue and decent prices. But you have to organise the crowd yourself! Till recent times, the more upmarket version was Clube Vasco da Gama's restaurant run by Ernesto. But that got shifted. If you're twice-born expat expat, then you'd probably think of nothing short of five stars... in which, of course, there are Goanetters available :-) Anyway, all is not lost. I'm sure other Goanetters, maybe Ms Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami or VMinGoa, will come up with a better set of facts... and they have better tastes than me. For sure! FN 2009/9/11 rui nuvo : > Anyone know of public venues that Goaneters frequent in Goa when on holiday > where we can slag of other readers or drop in for a chin wag and a laugh? > I hope to be in Goa around 7th Sept for 3 weeks. Is an identity label > required or compulsory? -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/
Re: [Goanet] Quacks... and quackery!
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Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com
My reference was to Louis Pasteur and Lovisa Årberg ("the first
Swedish female doctor. Årberg was met with strong resistance from male
doctors and was accused of quackery") finding themselves on the list
of "quacks"! FN
2009/9/12 Santosh Helekar :
>
> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Frederick Noronha wrote:
>>
>> Even "quacks", it would seem, are in distinguished company!
>> FN
>>
>
> This is silly. Perhaps, Noronha does not know that the founders of
> Scientology, Naturopathy and Homeopathy are still regarded as quacks, because
> none of what they claimed has been substantiated by scientific evidence.
> Their bogus teachings are respected only by a small cult of believers in each
> case. Science has relegated them to the dustbin of history. Even the nonsense
> that the genuine scientist Linus Pauling claimed in his later life has never
> been able distinguish itself from quackery.
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Re: [Goanet] Funeral Announcement
That's true! Noel is Lambert Mascarenhas' son-in-law. A very nice and down-to-earth guy, whom I met just the other day, playing a prominent host's role at the launch of Mr Mascarenhas' book. Noel was very popular in the football and business circuits. Despite his affluence and political clout (his mum was one of Goa's early MLAs), he retained his friendly and simple style. His untimely death came as a surprise, if not a shock, to many here, and a caller rang up from North America to enquire about the news! FN 2009/9/15 Alfred de Tavares : > Ana Maria, > Is Nöel Urminda's son...LM's son-in-law? > Maecelino, Urminda & Lambert have always been > great & dear friends... > Please inform the relationship...for due condolences. > Alfred -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: blog on Goa books http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Committing Political Hara-kiri - Comments
Why just *Muslim women*? I'm sure every section of the population loves freebies. From the poor living in shanty-towns, to the captains of commerce and industry (who get their subsidies and whatever... never enough!) To be honest, I have also been a beneficiary of government largess, a subsidised health-system (but now increasingly less so!) albeit not directly or indirectly from the hands of any politician. Why blame "Muslim women" alone? FN 2009/9/17 Samir Kelekar : > Floriano: > You can bury your head in the sands till the crows grow old. > In just another posting, I showed you why the Muslim women will vote for > Churchill. What are you or your GoaSuraj party doing about it? > > Blaming the people or comparing them to pigs doesnt win even brownie points > after a while. > > regards, > Samir -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] regarding mutation
Shaila, "JoeGoaUk" post regularly to Goanet, and his email address is as above. FN 2009/9/18 SHAILA DHARWADKAR : > Dear sir, > There was an article on Goa-net by an NRI whose name is Mr. Joe and his email > id is > not disclosed. > This NRI had a problem in his getting his mutation done , he has narrated his > overall experience. I would like to know the person's email id if he permits > as I am > also facing the same problem with my mutation to be done at the Mamlatdar > office at -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] rare Konkani film at TIFF
2009/9/19 Eugene Correia : > As a passing remark I must say that it is a very > good film and I am not surprisied that it had an > impact on Cameron Bailey, the co-director of TIFF. Which just goes to say... if Goans are given the chance, they can make their mark. Big. This is true even of us lowly Goans-based-in-Goa-itself (lowest in the pecking order among the non-bhailos, at present) :-) I think that most of the time the people of Goa simply don't get the chance either because (i) they are seen as culturally on the periphery of 'mainstream India' (whatever that is meant to mean) and not understood (ii) they are too small a culture and a market, so it's far more difficult to make our cultural and artistic or literary products viable (iii) we spend far too much time pulling down one another, based on religion, caste, language-preference or which side of the 1961 debate the people are on. The challenge is how to find a niche for Goan products that draws it the required notice. It takes a Sigrid Pfeffer from Hessischer Rundfunk to realise that Goan Konkani music is almost something like the Balkans meeting the Beunos Vistas Social Club (both extremely popular trends in continental, perhaps non-English speaking, Europe). See http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet-n...@lists.goanet.org/msg01308.html Food for thought, as our old Britto's principal, late Vincent Gomes Catao sj, would say. FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Information required
Albert, Why not check up the web-design firms in Goa, and see if they have openings? Joel (of goacyberworks.com at Pato) is one possibility, as is Rajesh Dessai of Sant Inez. Likewise there are also places which need a webmaster. If not mistaken, Freddy Faria (one of the early, if not the first, webdesigner of GoaCom in Goa) has a fulltime job with the Goa Chambers of Commerce and Industry and maintains their site. Any organisation with heavy-duty web work could employ such skills. FN 2009/9/20 Albert Desouza : > Albert writes:- My son has done web designing. > This includes Dreamweaver, flash, HTML, and > front page. Could someone direct me as where > he can get a suitable job or how to go about > this if he wants to be on his own ? By the way > I have heard of people getting website or > preparing a website. How do one do this ? > I would be obliged. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Swetor kori/Alfred Rose Songs
Thanks Eddie! Interesting detail! Most interesting While on the topic, I think the figure of 25,000 comes up in another context, with another Goan singer, Lata Mangueshkar. If I recall rightly, she went into the Guiness Book of World Records, quite some years ago, for lending her voice to 25,000 songs. You can just imagine how many she must be singing in a day! FN 2009/9/21 Eddie Verdes : > FN, > I dont know from where Francis got the figure of 25,000 Konkani songs..but I > think it should be more than 25,000 songs if you count on till date -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
