[Goanet] The Last Farewell ~ Roger Whittaker

[Ivan Pereira]

https://youtu.be/sGWs1HK8iDU


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Re: [Goanet] Have I been "suspended" ?

[Ivan Pereira]

Frederick, I received this , which means something is working right. Just FYI 
! 

> On Jun 5, 2022, at 16:32, Frederick Noronha  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ivo, This happens if your email is bouncing mail. Let me check and try
> to rectify. FN
> 
> 
> 
> [image: Mailtrack]
> 
> Sender
> notified by
> Mailtrack
> 
> 06/06/22,
> 01:15:45 am
> 
>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 at 21:19, Ivo Rocha  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Frederick: For the last 20 days I did not receive any issue of
>> Goanet. Please see into the matter and restart sending me the daily  issues
>> of Goanet that I cherish and read with pleasure - Thank you - Ivo da Rocha,
>> Lisbon."joqro...@gmail.com"
>> 
> ᐧ

Re: [Goanet] no borders, no barriers

[Ivan Pereira]

Joao, 
& the next day the ‘Sakura‘ bloomed. 
They usually bloom only in Spring for 2 weeks, but they made an exception for 
Akeru & Joao !

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 07:46, Gabe Menezes  wrote:
> 
> Domo arigato
> 
>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, 11:10 Joao Barros-Pereira, 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> when
>> i married
>> my wife
>> 
>> an indian
>> did not
>> marry
>> a japanese
>> 
>> joao
>> married
>> akeru
>> 
>> what does joao want to say?
>> 

Re: [Goanet] 41. Two more acts of Portuguese Resistance (Valmiki Faleiro)

[Ivan Pereira]

Valmiki Faleiro, I have 2 questions:

1. Is it true that the last Governor of Goa got a telex from Salazar to ‘fight 
to the last man’, even tho the garrison was small, & considered just a ‘trip 
wire’, not intended as a fighting force to repel attack? 

Also, Salazar ordered thr Portuguese Governor to return the body of SFX to 
Portugal, (even tho SFX is Spanish). 

2. After a few early casualties, the Portuguese Governor chose to ‘surrender’, 
stating he loved Goa too much to cause bloodshed. 
All 3 orders of Salazar were not followed. 

First casualties occurred when the area around the cathedral was bombed by the 
IAF around midnight & the body of SFX secured. 

The IAF then dropped leaflets over Goa stating SFX was still in Goa, to pacify 
the Goan Christian population. 

Some 20 yrs later, when India established diplomatic relations with Portugal, 
it was felt that a Goa-based delegation should be there & co-sign, to fulfil 
some international law requirements. 
They did (they signed the final document). 

The claim is that the Goa delegation stated that they would only sign if that 
last Governor put his signature on the document. 

He was already over 90 yrs old, living in Portugal, & the documents were to be 
signed in New Delhi. 

He said he would only sign them in Goa, & he returned to Goa just for the 
signing. 

When the Governor surrendered, Salazar stripped him of all his WW1 medals of 
bravery, etc.. 

As part of the agreements, on demand of the Goa delegation, the Portuguese 
Governor was given back his WW1 honours & medals & also in the final documents 
was the statement that he was a hero for Portugal in his service in Goa, & 
surrendering, minimizing casualties. 

From your expertise on these events, is the above correct? 
Anything you have to add? 

Of all the Portuguese colonial territories abroad, Goa is the only one that was 
given full status as a ‘province’ & considered part of ‘metropolitan Portugal’, 
& u could explore/examine, in retrospect, what that meant legally at the time !

In my university years, 
I visited Lisbonne, & one summer I personally read many of the documents in the 
archives in buildings along cobbled streets by the River Tagus.

The popular Mayor of Lisbonne, (later PM, later President of the EU), was a 
Goan. 

I met him in the street, by chance, & he actually took me to lunch where he 
went every afternoon, & he called me ‘amcher’ & introduced me to his staff & 
friends with him.   
Arey ! Kita salunga tuka ?
It was ‘awesome’ ! 
 
Dieu Borem Korun.  
- Ivan D. Pereira
Montreal, Canada 

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> On May 28, 2022, at 15:35, Goanet Reader  
> wrote:
> 
> By Valmiki Faleiro
> 
> A few minutes past 8 am of 18 December 1961, or about one
> hour after the bombing of the radio centre at Bambolim and
> the airport at Dabolim, the Portuguese Governor General /
> C-in-C left the capital city and headed for the last redoubt
> of Mormugao.
> 
> (Of the many cock-and-bull stories floating at the time, one
> story said that he went to Mormugao because he wanted to flee
> from Goa by air.  If that was so, he would have easily
> travelled aboard any of the two civilian aircraft that
> escaped from Dabolim -- with his permission -- later that
> night, as seen last week.)
> 
> (Another fantastic story was that Air Vice Marshal Erhlich
> Pinto came snooping into Goa some days before the ops.  Only
> the thoroughly unlettered could produce such stories.  Air
> Vice Mshl Pinto was India's AOC-in-C Operational Command,
> Indian Air Force -- and the most likely next Air Chief but
> for an unfortunate helicopter accident in J on 22 November
> 1963 that killed him together with some top Indian Army
> officers like Lt Gen Daulat Singh GOC-in-C Western Command,
> Lt Gen Bikram Singh GOC XV Corps, Maj Gen NKD Nanavati GOC 25
> Division, Brig RM Uberoi commander 93 Brigade and the chopper
> pilot Flt Lt SS Sodhi.  Air Vice Mshl Pinto was way too big
> to be a snooper!)
> 
>  The Governor General/C-in-C issued no fresh orders
>  now that the assault had begun.  This meant that
>  the defence plan, Plano Sentinela would remain in
>  force -- delay the enemy at the borders with
>  conventional or guerilla tactics, fall back to the
>  riverfronts when no longer possible to halt the
>  enemy advance and explode the bridges, hold back
>  the enemy on the other bank of the river for as
>  long as possible, and when that too was difficult,
>  gradually fall back to the last redoubt, Mormugao,
>  and defend it at any cost -- until UN intervention
>  arrived.
> 
> By 10:30 am, 18 December 1961, Captain (later General) Carlos
> de Azeredo, appointed as the Coordinating Officer of the
> security forces in Goa only days before, took command of
> around 500 troops retreating from other positions, to form
> the second line of defence -- from St. Jacinto Island to
> Issorcim, across the 

Re: [Goanet] {Dilip's essays} A non-mathematical essay for a change

[Ivan Pereira]

Thanks v much, Dilip ! 
I am at a coffee shop, Victoria Day weekend. 
Being single, I can do that.

If I were married to an Amcher other half, I assume I would be enjoying 
shakouti & wine at home, & praising the wife’s qualities ‘unselflessly’ for 
later good-will & ‘cuddling’ ! 

They used to teach about ‘conjugal rights’ among married couples, but now 
everything is ‘reciprocal’ & by explicit choices. 
Saying ‘maka zai’ is not enuf ! One has to butter the other half with AMUL for 
favours! 

Queen Victoria was a big gurl, her consort, Prince Albert was very slender 
built, like a VW, not a Mercedes limo. 

But she loved him to death, in a manner of speaking, a German Prince! 

I do not know your marital status, but I hope u r blessed with Victorian love! 

Dilip, keep writing & keep pushing the envelope challenging the accepted wisdom 
of others. 
- Ivan D. 
Ivan D. Pereira 

> On May 22, 2022, at 14:18, Dilip D'Souza  wrote:
> 
> May 22
> 
> I used to write political/social commentary columns for years. Came a time
> when I started to feel like I had said all I had to say in that vein -
> really - so I do very little of it now.
> 
> But once in a while I feel there's something that needs saying. Like last
> week, when I watched someone I know and like, the author Amish Tripathi, on
> a TV show. He was asked to comment on the ongoing court battle over the
> Gyanvapi mosque that Hindus claim was built on a demolished temple. I was
> struck by all that Amish said, and not in a good way.
> 
> So here's a response to some of his comments that I wrote for Scroll.in:
> https://scroll.in/article/1024390/truth-as-a-disinfectant-amish-tripathis-platitudes-ignore-the-lived-reality-of-many-indians
> 
> Your reflections welcome.
> 
> yours,
> dilip
> 
> ---
> 
> Truth as a disinfectant: Author Amish Tripathi and his platitudes about
> Gyanvapi
> 
> 
> The first time I met the celebrated author Amish, we were sitting outside a
> theatre at the NCPA, looking out at a sprawling temporary bookstore. We
> introduced ourselves. To my continuing regret, I had not heard of him. But
> he had heard of me. "Hey, I love your mathematics columns!" he said. Then
> he ran in among the books, bought one and ran back to me. It was one of
> mine. "Sign it for me!" he said.
> 
> That kind of bloke. In the few times we've met since - including once when
> we missed a flight in Jaipur - he has been unfailingly generous, gracious
> and warm. So when I watched him on a TV programme recently, offering not so
> much the forthright sincerity I know him for, but woolly platitudes
> instead, you can imagine my disappointment.
> 
> The programme was an interview with Sonia Singh of NDTV, focused on the
> ongoing tangle over the Gyanvapi mosque. (
> https://www.ndtv.com/video/exclusive/news/gyanvapi-mosque-case-more-than-faith-this-is-about-says-author-amish-tripathi-633420).
> Amish said plenty, starting with this pithy phrase: "More than faith, this
> is essentially about the truth."
> 
> True enough. In that spirit, then, let me react to a few of the points he
> made.
> 
> First, "where India is different [from] Turkey and other countries", Amish
> said, is that "the majority is dharmic and liberal, they wait patiently,
> sometimes for centuries." This is why, Amish went on, "I could not advocate
> any hatred."
> 
> That's reassuring. But is it really necessary to list the innumerable
> recent cases of hatred and its consequences? Well, maybe it is. Let's try
> just a few.
> 
> Think of Mohammed Akhlaq, slaughtered by his neighbours who suspected that
> he had beef in his home near Dadri on the outskirts of New Delhi in
> September 2015.
> 
> Think of the several young Dalits (lower castes) in Una in Gujarat in July
> 2016. Accusing them of killing cows, a “cow protection group” tied the
> Dalit youths to a car and beat them with sticks, rods and knives.
> 
> Think of Pehlu Khan, lynched by cow vigilantes near Alwar in Rajasthan, in
> April 2017.
> 
> Think of Mohammed Afrazul, whom Shambhulal Regar hacked to death and then
> burned the body in Rajsamand district in Rajasthan in December 2017, solely
> because Afrazul was Muslim. Regar was so proud of this atrocity that he got
> his nephew to film him in action.
> 
> Amish does not advocate any hatred, certainly. Is he doing what he can to
> quench the hatred that burns inside Shambhulal Regar and so many like him?
> This hatred that maims and kills too many Indians?
> 
> Second, it's not just about quenching hatred. Faced with questions about
> incidents like these and what they say about India, Amish says he likes to
> "look at the data." It tells him that "across the entire Indian
> subcontinent, there are only two countries where the proportion of
> minorities as a percentage of the population has actually gone up in the
> last 70 years, and one of them is India."
> 
> That's reassuring too. But I have to wonder: what would Mohammed Ikhlaq
> have felt if, as his neighbours were 

Re: [Goanet] {Dilip's essays} Life expectancies and tennis racquets

[Ivan Pereira]

Sorry, I do not have Twitter! 
I write & read on ‘bark’, but had to compromise a bit in using the internet & 
reach out to more people while saving mango, guava, & chico trees.

Dilip, I just do not understand your ‘death rate’ logic ! 

You r probably aware of ‘the rule of 72’. 

If u have your money (say $1000 one time) at 2% in the bank, it will double in 
36 years.  (72 divided by 2). $2000 in 36th yr, $4000 in 72nd yr. 
That’s at 2% 

In mutual funds (there are a variety of investment mixes available in India, 
inc a publicly-owned one I like with consistent growth), 
at 8%, the $1000 would double every 9 years: 

$1000= $2000 in 9 year, $4000 in 18th yr, $8000 in 27th yr, $16,000 in 36th, 
$32,000 in 45th, $64,000 in 54th, $128,000 in 63rd, $256,000 in 72nd yr. 

Huge difference caused by higher interest rate over long time, both key 
factors. 

Re. POPULATION: 
Population increase used to be around 3% in some countries = doubling every 24 
yrs. 
Kenya’s was among the highest, close to or above 5% at one point. 

Most Western countries have experienced population growth rates of under 1% = 
doubling every 72 yrs ! 

So, one sees the dilemmas here: 

for economic growth, Western countries need Third world markets ! 

Hypothetically, the West can only eat so many fish & chip platters or 
hamburgers !  

Of course, in North America, we eat about 5 times the volume of food that was 
eaten in the 1880s in lbs.. 
I do not have the exact figures before me at present (but not the main point). 

Most economists argue that Western markets have ‘saturated’, not much room for 
growth.

Automated production systems & computerized decision-making are also making 
manual labour extinct, shrinking the workforce.  
Govts may have to consider a guaranteed annual income unrelated to work. 

Even if Western countries consume double the present food intake between 
‘da-lips’, (excuse the onomatopoeia), 
, it is not enuf consumption to have significant growth in the 
production-consumption cycle. 

Personally, I actually eat much less than I used to, & I am much more careful 
re. the content of the food I eat, & I am much more healthy. 

I occasionally make ‘chapatis’, but from organic brown flour (not bleached 
GMOs). It is healthy, in my view. 

Where would u go, Dilip, with this consumption model/perspective & 
interpretation, as I am not sure what you r driving at with your statistics & 
logic re. DEATHS. 

Are u stating there is a net drop in population? 

I do not know if you r being facetious in your article, as u do also have a 
wicked sense of humour, backed often by overkill use of statistics going over 
the heads of readers, but my sense is that u mean something serious, & I do not 
fully get it. 

As Oscar (Wilde), Dilip, r u being cerebral for being cerebral sake? 
Leave the plebeians scratching their heads ? 

I really dunno ! ! 
I have followed u (not literally) since u left Mumbai/Bombay University. 

I recall I was doing research at Bombay University library when a graduate 
student in the UK.. 
I was in the basement, damp, only 2 small lightbulbs, & I saw a volume relating 
to ‘partition 1947’ on a top dusty top shelf. 

I pushed the ladder there, & reached for the volume. 

It fell thru my hands as ash & down to the floor. 
I told the librarian & I apologized. 

He said most of those books, many over 100 yrs old, are eaten inside by white & 
red ants. 
The pages were plain soft paper, no plastic coating. 

Years later I visited again. 
State-of-the-art library, air-climatized, etc.. 
However, most of the books & antique collections were by then already moved to 
Duke University in the U.S., paid by a Ford Foundation grant.  

I understand many archival materials have been photographed & are in online 
collections. 

As an alumni of any university in the world university system association, u 
(with an active alumni library membership), can access today most materials 
(except very old archives) from your ‘home office’. 
Check it out. 

Anyway, have a good weekend, & keep the synapses between the brain cells 
acutely active !

Sorry, this is long: 
I had no time to make it short, have to work on my précis-writing skills. 
- Ivan D. 
Ivan D. Pereira 
Montreal & Ottawa, Canada   

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> On May 20, 2022, at 16:10, Dilip D'Souza  wrote:
> 
> May 20
> 
> I'm still puzzling over why a remark about life expectancies brought up a
> long ago memory of restringing tennis racquets. Maybe you'll be able to
> explain that to me. But more seriously, I've been trying to understand what
> connects a country's population, its life expectancy, and the number of
> deaths it sees in a year. At first glance there's a straightforward link
> that threads them together - except that it doesn't, or not quite.
> 
> It's one of those mathematical/statistical challenges that I love musing
> over. I've been musing since I started writing this article and I expect to
> keep musing for a while more. Muse with me, 

Re: [Goanet] Don't!

[Ivan Pereira]

Joao, bro,  I once attended a 2-day workshop in Boston given by the legendary 
Anthony Robbins (book: ‘Awaken the Giant Within’). 

He usually charges $5000 to attend. I got in free. 
But 6-hr drive from Montreal. Boring on highway ! 

Yea, I bought his 600-page + book, & I read it cover to cover. 

A couple of chapters may still be online on his website for promotion purposes. 
It has the gist of his ideas, also free videos. 

He said one should always repeat the main points of a presentation 3 times, as 
that’s what registers in the brain … it takes 3 times! 
The rest is in one ear & out the other. 
And the KISS formula = keep it simple, stupid ! 

That advice also applies to your ‘spouse’, Joao, or ex-spouse.
(Notice I wrote ‘spouse’, meaning it is relevant for both). 

I do not want to get plastered/inundated by an avalanche of messages from angry 
online browsers of the other gender ’unwittingly’ sharing their contact 
e-addresses with me so I can send apologies & explanations

Joao, ‘paus yeta’ in Goa ! 
Coconut tree leaves plastered on the outside walls ? 
My grandma used to call us & tell us to sit at the dining table, say the grace, 
then say: JOYA ! 

Saiba Bugos! 
I miss that ‘cultural’ word of joy together, so I say it to myself ! 

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> On Apr 4, 2022, at 06:27, Joao Barros-Pereira  
> wrote:
> 
> i
> love you
> 
> she
> said again
> 
> you're
> repeating
> yourself
> 
> said
> he
> 
> what does joao want to say?

Re: [Goanet] The Salt March

[Ivan Pereira]

Roland, that was a great post on the Salt March. 
Gandhi actually walked all the way there, at his age, gathering followers along 
the way. 

There is a Dandi website.
 
I’ll read your post in detail tonight. 
I’m at a coffee shop, Saturday tea time, ‘chilling out’ ! 
 ☕️= with cream.  

> On Apr 2, 2022, at 16:01, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Gandhi’s Salt March of Dandi in Gujarat, was the beginning of the struggle 
> for India’s independence.
> 
> Today his great-grandson on the Old Bombay FB group, tells of some family 
> memories of events that followed.
> 
> Tushar Gandhi writes:
> 
> “These two incidents don’t have a direct connection to my ancestors except 
> for the fact that they happened due to the call given by my great 
> grandfather, Bapu and my grand uncle Devadas who were imprisoned in Gujarat 
> and in the Punjab during the Salt Satyagraha.  Both the incidents I am going 
> to narrate are from the Salt Satyagraha. 
> 
> The first one happened in Bombay. There was a government Salt Depot at 
> Wadala. The Bombay Congress served notice to the Colonial Government that on 
> a certain date  at a mentioned time they would raid the depot and liberate 
> salt. The Government had decided to crush the uprising. And so they prepared 
> well a huge posse of armed police were stationed at Wadala to protect the 
> Depot.
> 
> At the given time the Congress workers assembled outside the Salt Depot. It 
> was a very disciplined group of Satyagrahis. This incident is recorded in the 
> history of the Congress which assembled a nation wide report of statements of 
> witnesses reporting the brutality of the colonial government. This incident 
> was recorded from a statement given by an eye witness, a youth who observed 
> the Satyagraha.
> 
> ‘At the appointed time the Satyagrahis formed ranks and marched towards the 
> gate of the Salt Depot. They were  confronted by ranks of heavily armed 
> police lead by senior officers mounted on horse back. The police officers 
> warned the Satyagrahis to stop and disperse. No one paid any heed to the 
> warning. 
> 
> In the first rank of Satyagrahis was a middle aged Sikh man. He was of medium 
> height and slight of build. As he marched towards the gate he was confronted 
> by a young British policeman who shouted at the man to stop, the Sikh man 
> ignored the warning and walked on. The officer showed hard and pushed the 
> Sikh man who stumbled but regained his balance and took two more steps 
> towards the gate. This time the officer hit him with his baton, a hard blow 
> that glanced off his head and struck him on his shoulder. 
> 
> The Sikh Satyagrahi staggered and fell to his knees. After a few attempts he 
> staggered to his feet and stumbled back on to his feet and took a couple of 
> more steps. 
> 
> This time the officer  hit him brutally on top his head from behind. The 
> man’s turban came off and there was a thud as the Baton crashed on to the 
> man’s head. It sounded as if the bone had cracked. The Sikh man collapsed and 
> lay motionless on the ground. It felt as if he had succumbed, he lay 
> motionless. After five minutes he twitched. It was the first sign he had 
> survived then he made attempts to stand up but three or four times he tried 
> and collapsed. Finally after several attempts he managed to stand on his 
> feet. Without bothering about the police or about his injuries he staggered 
> on towards the gate. 
> 
> The young British policeman stood shocked with surprise watching the man 
> stagger on. His officer shouted at the policeman “Stop him!” The policeman 
> turned to his superior and said, “I have beaten this man with all my 
> strength, yet he ignores me and his injuries. I don’t know what I can do
> more to him.” The report ends here. No one knows the identity of the heroic 
> Sikh  Satyagrahi or of the eye witness who reported the incident. 
> 
> The raid on the Wadala Salt Depot did happen. A plaque commemorating the 
> Satyagraha was installed on the wall of the Depot. But then Bombay turned 
> into Mumbai and forgot it’s history. The depot disappeared and then the 
> plaque disappeared too. 
> 
> Now not many Mumbaikars remember Bombays heroic participation in the Salt 
> Satyagraha. The Sikh Satyagrahi also vanished into oblivion. In a non violent 
> battle too the foot soldiers make sacrifices and the generals get the credit. 
> 
> The second incident happened in Quetta, now in Pakistan. The Pakhtuns, most 
> of them Khudai Khidmatgars, followers of Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan decided to 
> perform a satyagraha in the Town Centre. A day before the Satyagraha, police 
> arrested Khan Saheb. On the appointed afternoon Pakhtun followers of Khanbaba 
> began congregating in the town centre opposite the police headquarters. 
> 
> The District police Chief had ordered that the Satyagrahis were to be 
> dispersed using any and all means. So the station commandant got a machine 
> gun mounted on the roof of the headquarters. 

Re: [Goanet] The Salt March: On Rajmohan Gandhi, grandson

[Ivan Pereira]

Mahatma Gandhi’s grandson, Rajmohan Gandhi, was a Research Prof at Michigan 
State University, many moons ago. 

I invited him to Montreal to speak to Concordia U students, a ‘public lecture’, 
& to the lndo-Canadian community. 

He also spoke at McGill U.. I am a graduate from both universities. 

It is tough to fill Mahatma Gandhi’s shoes.  - it is intimidating, & ‘raw’! 

Rajmohan was articulate, humble, & filled with a simple serenity, & he 
addressed fundamental issues, spoke about being 13 yrs old when his grandfather 
was shot, & the Principal telling him to go home early. 

Gandhi’s body was already brought home, & displayed for the public outside when 
he arrived.  

Rajmohan Gandhi did much quietly over a long career for ‘interfaith 
understanding’, & he continued the commitment to ‘non-violence’ as a strategic 
& viable activity to achieve social change.

Among the people I have met, Rajmohan Gandhi’s ‘presence’ is strong, & he left 
an indelible mark, with his gentle ‘etchings’ on the brains & hearts of people 
he met. 

> On Apr 2, 2022, at 16:01, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Gandhi’s Salt March of Dandi in Gujarat, was the beginning of the struggle 
> for India’s independence.
> 
> Today his great-grandson on the Old Bombay FB group, tells of some family 
> memories of events that followed.
> 
> Tushar Gandhi writes:
> 
> “These two incidents don’t have a direct connection to my ancestors except 
> for the fact that they happened due to the call given by my great 
> grandfather, Bapu and my grand uncle Devadas who were imprisoned in Gujarat 
> and in the Punjab during the Salt Satyagraha.  Both the incidents I am going 
> to narrate are from the Salt Satyagraha. 
> 
> The first one happened in Bombay. There was a government Salt Depot at 
> Wadala. The Bombay Congress served notice to the Colonial Government that on 
> a certain date  at a mentioned time they would raid the depot and liberate 
> salt. The Government had decided to crush the uprising. And so they prepared 
> well a huge posse of armed police were stationed at Wadala to protect the 
> Depot.
> 
> At the given time the Congress workers assembled outside the Salt Depot. It 
> was a very disciplined group of Satyagrahis. This incident is recorded in the 
> history of the Congress which assembled a nation wide report of statements of 
> witnesses reporting the brutality of the colonial government. This incident 
> was recorded from a statement given by an eye witness, a youth who observed 
> the Satyagraha.
> 
> ‘At the appointed time the Satyagrahis formed ranks and marched towards the 
> gate of the Salt Depot. They were  confronted by ranks of heavily armed 
> police lead by senior officers mounted on horse back. The police officers 
> warned the Satyagrahis to stop and disperse. No one paid any heed to the 
> warning. 
> 
> In the first rank of Satyagrahis was a middle aged Sikh man. He was of medium 
> height and slight of build. As he marched towards the gate he was confronted 
> by a young British policeman who shouted at the man to stop, the Sikh man 
> ignored the warning and walked on. The officer showed hard and pushed the 
> Sikh man who stumbled but regained his balance and took two more steps 
> towards the gate. This time the officer hit him with his baton, a hard blow 
> that glanced off his head and struck him on his shoulder. 
> 
> The Sikh Satyagrahi staggered and fell to his knees. After a few attempts he 
> staggered to his feet and stumbled back on to his feet and took a couple of 
> more steps. 
> 
> This time the officer  hit him brutally on top his head from behind. The 
> man’s turban came off and there was a thud as the Baton crashed on to the 
> man’s head. It sounded as if the bone had cracked. The Sikh man collapsed and 
> lay motionless on the ground. It felt as if he had succumbed, he lay 
> motionless. After five minutes he twitched. It was the first sign he had 
> survived then he made attempts to stand up but three or four times he tried 
> and collapsed. Finally after several attempts he managed to stand on his 
> feet. Without bothering about the police or about his injuries he staggered 
> on towards the gate. 
> 
> The young British policeman stood shocked with surprise watching the man 
> stagger on. His officer shouted at the policeman “Stop him!” The policeman 
> turned to his superior and said, “I have beaten this man with all my 
> strength, yet he ignores me and his injuries. I don’t know what I can do
> more to him.” The report ends here. No one knows the identity of the heroic 
> Sikh  Satyagrahi or of the eye witness who reported the incident. 
> 
> The raid on the Wadala Salt Depot did happen. A plaque commemorating the 
> Satyagraha was installed on the wall of the Depot. But then Bombay turned 
> into Mumbai and forgot it’s history. The depot disappeared and then the 
> plaque disappeared too. 
> 
> Now not many Mumbaikars remember Bombays heroic participation in the Salt 
> 

Re: [Goanet] Descartes

[Ivan Pereira]

Joao! 

‘I think, therefore I am’ - Descartes

‘I do, therefore I am’ 
- Aristotle 

‘I exist in idealized states in the sky’ 
- Plato

‘Do Be Do Be Do’ 
- Frank Sinatra 

‘Maka Naka Gor’ 
- Pedru in Parra, Goa 

‘Arey, bhai, Bugos Saiba ! 
Kita Salunga Tuka !’ 
- Ivan in Montreal, Canada

> On Jan 29, 2022, at 04:07, Joao Barros-Pereira  
> wrote:
> 
> Descartes
> a logician
> said
> 
> I think
> 
> therefore
> I am
> 
> unfortunately
> he had
> no insight
> 
> into
> human nature
> 
> I
> control
> my students
> 
> therefore
> I am
> 
> 
> is
> much closer
> 
> to
> the truth
> 
> 
> I think
> 
> what does joao want to say?

Re: [Goanet] Rishi Shunak

[Ivan Pereira]

Frederick, thank u for posting this item about the UK Finance Minister, & 
possibly the future UK PM. 

We have come a long way from Anthony Wedgewood Benn, (Tony), who himself came 
from a very wealthy UK family. 
He lost the Labour leadership bid to Tony Blair, many moons ago. 

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 06:30, Frederick Noronha  
> wrote:
> 
> LOL. Interesting point of view. FN
> ᐧ
> 
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 at 16:11, patrice riemens  wrote:
>> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> There is not much to be proud about Rishi Shunak. He's for sure the most
>> likely successor to BoJo the Clown, whose fall will happen when (not if)
>> the ruthless Torry ruling class decides so. As PM, Shunak will then unlash
>> a new era of austerity with gusto, as he hates the lower classes in true
>> blue fashion. In terms of refugees/immigrants/foreigners policy he is only
>> marginally better (or just simply smarter) than his cabinet colleague Priti
>> Patel who famously answered when asked about her own refugee (from Idi
>> Amin's Uganda) backgound that 'now the times are different'. So they are ...
>> 
>> Looks like the Torries are in for a reverse of Marx: from farce to tragedy.
>> 
>> Cheers all the same, p+7D!
>> 

Re: [Goanet] Organic Farmers Markets and Restaurants

[Ivan Pereira]



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 02:55, Ivan Pereira  wrote:
> Joao, 
> when Goa became part of India, 1961, after the Indian Govt of Nehru sent in 
> paratroopers, then ground troops, the ‘economic literature’ shows that a 
> small State like Goa was actually ‘exporting’ food to the rest of India, & 
> was itself being ‘rationed’. 
> Import duties were raised dramatically, making the availability of foreign 
> goods Goa enjoyed financially not affordable anymore. 
> 
> Goa actually fed India. Isn’t that amazing? 
> It exported to other countries, & was a major source of scarce ‘foreign 
> exchange’, allowing India to import other produce, & to manage its ‘balance 
> of payments‘ shortfall. 
> 
> It is an extraordinary part of Goa’s economic history, & a telling story of 
> the Indian Govt’s management of the Indian economy at the time. 
> 
> Goa should return to organic farming, feed itself its quality produce first, 
> not import less quality food from Karnataka, etc., & then only export its 
> supply. 
> 
> Furthermore, Goa was self-sufficient without taxes. 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 02:02, Joao Barros-Pereira  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Goa's agriculture deserves more than a shot in the arm to
>> survive;nothing less than a major transfusion is necessary and the
>> photo-op of a couple of MLAs in the  fields from time to time is
>> Gollywood; it cannot be expected to be taken seriously by the Goan
>> public unless our MLAs think the Goan electorate is not much more than
>> an imbecilic mass of rotten meat with the right to vote every few
>> years.
>> 
>> Giving subsidies to farmers, at this point in time, is a little like
>> trying to apply a band-aid on a patient who is at death's end. And,
>> that is about where we are today, with most of the food we eat -
>> fish,fruit, vegetables, and water - all polluted!
>> 
>> Some people are asking, what's next?
>> 
>> With the high cost and shortage of labour, the unholy abundance of
>> imported fish, vegetables and fruit from outside the state pouring
>> into Goa is indeed an ill omen; local producers cannot hope to compete
>> with the prices of the formalin-laced fish during the monsoon and the
>> polluted food!
>> 
>> And, by the way, where is the state-of-the art lab which was promised
>> by our Health Minister. June, July and August are the months for
>> formalin-laced fish at their best. Bon appetite.
>> 
>> We need to upgrade agriculture to an agro-industry.
>> 
>> Farmers organic markets and restaurants in fields in villages is the
>> need of the hour. We must have dedicated markets and organic
>> restaurants in agricultural fields in Goa where local farmers are
>> eligible to sell their chemically-free cooked food, fresh fruit and
>> vegetables.
>> 
>> Hotels and the local population will gobble up the food. Rice,
>> potatoes, onions,tomatoes, and so on, can be sold in these
>> chemical-free markets and restaurants.
>> 
>> Farmers, in this way, will get a much greater profit margin when we
>> add this marketing strategy to the subsidies that exist at present.
>> 
>> Agricultural land will become more valuable, and agriculture a more
>> viable industry, and people will celebrate the burial of 16B.
>> 
>> This new policy makes the farmer the
>> beneficiary of the land and our green Goa will not have to become a
>> concrete Goa where politicians and builders can grow richer faster
>> than a fenugreek plant can reach maturity. Best of all, the farmers
>> won't have to dispose of their land to builders!
>> 
>> Organic farming is the way to go as Goa is also a major global tourism
>> destination. Make no mistake, we do not have a choice. Health
>> conscious people will flock to Goa if organic food is widely available
>> in hotels and restaurants all over Goa.
>> 
>> Unlike the problem of garbage disposal, we need to eat food every day.
>> Bottled water in Goa today is no longer a status symbol but
>> circumstantial evidence of how polluted our ground water is - a
>> warning to us to think twice, at least, if we don't want
>> to scare the tourists away.
>> 
>> Tourism is  now the economic backbone of our state - a weak backbone -
>> as mining is snoring and on life support. Unemployment,
>> which is on the way up, is an ugly fact in the lives of Goans who have
>> to go abroad to earn a livelihood.
>> 
>> Kitchen gardens can be included in this marketing strategy:
>> individuals, too, should be allowed to sell their chemical-free fruit
>> and vegetable produce in the local farmers markets. It will help to
>> raise the standard of health in the village and provide additional
>> income to
>> households all over Goa.
>> 
>> As the truism goes - we are what we eat - and so, let's eat right.

Re: [Goanet] {Dilip's essays} Chinese-Indians write to Modi again urging India to apologise

[Ivan Pereira]

Psst ! Dilip, I hope that is not your ‘final article’. 
- Ivan D. 
Ivan D. Pereira 
Dum Spiro Spera -
when I breathe, I hope 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 27, 2021, at 14:15, Dilip D'Souza  wrote:
> 
> Nov 27
> 
> One final article from me today. This month, 59 years since the India-China
> war ended, Chinese-Indians wrote to Prime Minister Modi again. This was
> their fourth letter to an Indian PM, the second to PM Modi. Why did they
> write? They wanted an acknowledgement of and an apology for what they went
> through starting 59 years ago this month.
> 
> I wrote a piece for Scroll.in about this latest letter. Take a look, and
> please do let me know your reactions.
> 
> Chinese-Indians from Deoli Camp write to Modi again urging India to
> apologise for 1962 internment:
> https://scroll.in/article/1011024/chinese-indians-from-deoli-camp-write-to-modi-again-urging-india-to-apologise-for-1962-internment
> 
> yours,
> dilip
> 
> ---
> 
> Chinese-Indians from Deoli Camp write to Modi again urging India to
> apologise for 1962 internment
> 
> 
> Every now and then, I come across another name. George Takei. Satsuki Ina.
> Daniel Inouye. Paul Kitagaki. Sono Fujii. Japanese-sounding names, or at
> least partly so. If there's a picture attached, they are all
> Japanese-looking, whatever that really means.
> 
> But they are all also Americans. Of Japanese ethnicity, yes. But
> full-fledged Americans. Satsuki Ina is a psychotherapist. The late Inouye
> was a US Senator, named "President pro tempore" of the US Senate from 2010
> until his death in 2012. That is, he was the Senate's
> second-highest-ranking officer, and thus third in line to the Presidency.
> Takei is an actor who made his name in the "Star Trek" films. Etc.
> 
> The point being, again, that these are Americans like any other. Yet what
> forever marks them, and other Japanese-Americans, is that starting in 1942,
> the US incarcerated over 100,000 people like them in prison camps. This
> happened because the US and Japan were enemies during World War II, and
> these Japanese-Americans were seen as potential traitors to the country
> they lived in. Ina was born in such a camp. Takei spent a year-and-a-half
> in another. Inouye only side-stepped the internment by, ironically,
> enlisting in the US Army. He lost his right arm to a grenade and was later
> awarded the Medal of Honor, his country's highest military award.
> 
> Just Americans. Yet we know their names today. We know about the internment
> today. We know there are memorials to this shameful piece of history. We
> know that people visit the sites of the camps. We know that after several
> years of campaigning and lobbying, the US formally apologized in 1988 for
> the internment, and paid reparations to thousands of families. The story of
> the internment is relatively common knowledge across the USA.
> 
> William Ma, Yin Marsh, Ying-Sheng Wong, Joy Ma, Ming-Tung Shieh - these
> people, and a few thousand like them, still wait. These are not
> Japanese-Americans. These are Chinese-Indians. They were sent to a prison
> camp in Deoli, Rajasthan, starting in 1962. Like Satsuki Ina, Joy Ma was
> born in that camp. Will the country where they were all born ever find the
> compassion and strength to acnowledge their incarceration, if not yet
> apologize for it and pay reparations? Will there come a time when the story
> of their internment also is common knowledge across India?
> 
> That's what they would like to see happen. That's what they believe must
> happen.
> 
> A quick summary of this sad tale: indeed, when India fought a short and
> bitter war with China starting in 1962, Indian authorities began rounding
> up Chinese-Indians from across the country's northeast. These were people
> whose families, in many cases, had been in India for generations. But when
> war broke out, they were immediately the target of plenty of hostility and
> hatred from neighbours and, eventually, authorities. Plucked from their
> homes, they were put on a train that trundled west for a week to Kota in
> Rajasthan. Along the way, their fellow-citizens threw abuse and stones at
> the train. From Kota, they were sent by bus another 85km northwest, to the
> town called Deoli where the camp was.
> 
> Ironically, the rounding-up actually began after the end of the war, in
> late November 1962 (59 years ago as you read these words). But some
> families - like Joy's - were only released years later. Of course, when
> they returned to their homes, they often found them vandalized or burned
> down, their property stolen.
> 
> Over the years since, many Chinese-Indians emigrated abroad, to the extent
> that their once-vibrant presence in India has dwindled to a shadow of
> itself. Today, there's a sizeable group in Toronto, with others scattered
> across North America. They have formed the AIDCI - the Association of India
> Deoli Camp Internees - to spread the story of their treatment by India, and
> to seek 

Re: [Goanet] The Tata

[Ivan Pereira]

Adolpho Mascarenhas! 
I was close to the Zoroastrian community when I was on the Executive Board of 
Religions & Peace, with HQ at the UN in New York. 

I was once invited to a North American conference of Zoroastrians held in 
Chicago. 
Long trip from Montreal, no direct flight then. First to Syracuse across the 
border. 

The huge banner in the hall had the theme of the conference: 

“Zoroastrians in North America for the next 1000 years !”

Now, does anybody plan for the future like that ? 

There were issues of culture & language discussed, & whether culture & religion 
can be passed on to new generation in another language acquired. 

Zoroastrians moved to India after the Muslim invasions of Iran around 6th 
century AD. 

In India, they embraced the Gujarati language, & it became the language of 
Parsis. 

It was the first whole-scale change of culture & language to another culture & 
language by a faith community. Christians from Aramaic to Latin. 

Many new-generation Parsis in North America spoke Gujarati with grandparents, 
but could not read or write, & the discussion was how to teach them in Sunday 
community school without overwhelming them, but in assisting them in reading 
‘sacred texts’ in the original languages in which they were written.  As it is, 
they already have to compete in regular subjects to get admitted to university 
& get scholarships. 

I know only 2 words in Gujarati: 
‘Su che?’ (nothing to do with Che Guevara). 

And in Konkani: ‘shakouti ha tuka? Mashay di Gor !’ 

Adolpho, pls send by ‘express post’. Those chickens in India taste different, 
bcoz they hear Konkani songs all day ! 
(Psst! I do not know what leftovers they eat, don’t tell me). 

Konkani for the next 1000 years, Adolpho? Or is it Marathi & Kannada, & Hindi? 
SU CHE ? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2021, at 16:59, Adolfo Mascarenhas  wrote:
> 
> Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 11:18:18 -0500
> From: Roland Francis   *#* To: goa...@goanet.org
> 
> Subject: [Goanet] The Tata Genesis
> 
> Message-ID: 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you Roland .I enjoyed the piece very much .I had no idea that
> the Tatas clan travelled to UK, USA ete etc and that internationally they
> even had an influence on the British, French and also USA .
> 
> 
> The Parsee were important in Zanzibar too. Jahanare  from Zanzibar read
> Arts in Makerere. Jamshed became friends with me when I worked in the Post
> Office where I dealt with small Parcels of high value.AT UCLA  there
> was a Orchestral Performance ...it was by Rubin Metha ,
> 
> 
> One of the Maths when the first Parsee arrived in India was that they took
> milk and put sugar and said >
> 
> 
> What comes out is the humanity their three principles
> 
> 
> 
> I hope  Eric takes your challenge .The story I heard about Opium and
> China was slightly different .
> 
> 
> 
> Keepers Of The Flame .
> 
> BUT not to dampen the flames ...they expose the bodies to the element
> ..so in Zanzibar and now all over the Mainland Tanzania you have
> the crow ...Very clever birds
> 
> 
> Grandolfo In Makongo Juu

Re: [Goanet] Goenchi Mati Movement welcomes support from All India Trinamool Congress

[Ivan Pereira]

I have argued for decades that Goa should not concentrate on any industry that 
exploits the bowels of the State, with very little going to Goans. 

In Quebec, Canada, the Province of Quebec got into conflict with the big power 
companies dealing with electricity production, & it ‘nationalized’ the 
industry. 

As a 

> On Nov 19, 2021, at 12:23, Goenchi Mati Movement  
> wrote:
> 
> The people of Goa have lost a great deal due to the manner in which Iron
> Ore Mining has been conducted in the state under successive Governments,
> over several decades.
> 
> This has resulted primarily from a system in which the government, at its
> sole discretion, has granted mining leases to certain parties without
> conducting auctions or indeed without employing any kind of competitive
> bidding process.
> 
> Consequently, the revenue to the state has been minimal, coming primarily
> from a ‘royalty’ fee calculated as a very small percentage of the deemed
> value of the ore mined.
> 
> The loss to the people has been compounded by successive governments
> failing to recover identified revenue leakages due to other forms of
> illegality committed by lease-holders such as mining above designated
> limits, mining during times when it was not permitted, mining in areas
> outside the boundaries of leases, dumping in non-designated areas, and so
> on.
> 
> Furthermore, whatever small amounts were earned by the state have been
> spent by it, leaving no money for future generations of Goans.
> 
> The Goenchi Mati Movement (GMM) has advocated a different approach to
> mining, which would address all these issues (see our presentation at
> https://bit.ly/GoaMiningRestartPPT for details).
> 
> The principal features of this approach involve: 1) Mining either directly
> by the state, or by parties who are granted leases through a fair and
> transparent auction process, which attracts a large number of bidders –
> thus securing high premiums; 2) the proceeds of such mining or auctions
> being invested in a professionally managed fund, for perpetuity, with the
> real earnings of the fund being distributed annually, also in perpetuity,
> to the people of Goa through a dividend; and 3) the recovery of the
> proceeds of illegal mining done in the past, with these amounts also being
> invested in the fund.
> 
> Both the Aam Aadmi Party and Goa Su-Raj Party have supported our proposals
> in the past. However, we particularly welcome the level of detail and
> commitment expressed by the All India Trinamool Congress Party (TMC) in
> support of the proposals of Goa Foundation and the Goenchi Mati Manifesto
> over recent days & we hope the TMC will faithfully implement all the
> actions advocated by GMM.
> 
> Vishal Rawlley, member of Goenchi Mati Movement said: “We wholeheartedly
> support the TMC in these pledges. We also encourage other political parties
> to both give serious thought to this pressing issue which could make a huge
> difference to the lives of Goans for generations to come, and to express
> their views in a similarly detailed and meaningful manner.”
> 
> Minerals are a shared inheritance of the people and it is our duty to
> ensure that this inheritance is protected. Only if we do that, may we
> consume some of its fruit. If we turn a blind eye to losses not only are we
> adversely affected but so are our children and those of future generations.
> 
> The Goenchi Mati Movement is a single issue movement which is by policy not
> aligned with political parties. GMM has asked parties to endorse and
> incorporate the Goenchi Mati Manifesto into their manifestos for the Goa
> Assembly elections of 2022. The Goenchi Mati Manifesto is available at
> goenchimati.org/manifesto.It is available in English
> , with
> translations into Konkani (Devnagari, Romi
> ), Marathi
> , Hindi
>  and
> Portuguese .
> Show
> your support at goenchimati.org/support. Aamchi Mati Aamka Zai!
> 
> Media contact: Rahul Basu, +91 90960 39878
> 
> Website  | Manifesto
> 
> Instagram  | Twitter
>  | Facebook
> 
> Groups: Signal
> 
> | Google Group 
> Contact: email  | +918007636466

Re: [Goanet] Take Out

[Ivan Pereira]

With ‘tonuk lung’, of course, ‘water mango pickle’. 

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 23:52, Joao Barros-Pereira  
> wrote:
> 
> for
> an Indian man
> 
> living
> in England
> 
> best
> pick up
> line
> is
> 
> How about
> a curry?
> 
> what does joao want to say?

Re: [Goanet] lies

[Ivan Pereira]

Good to see Joao is still being ‘vocal’ - or r u just hitting the keyboard with 
your fingertips ! 
In my day, cursive writing was an ‘art’ taught in elementary school! ✍

> On Nov 3, 2021, at 00:01, Joao Barros-Pereira  
> wrote:
> 
> lies
> are nails
> 
> in our
> coffin
> 
> even
> while
> we are
> alive
> 
> only
> visible
> 
> to the
> eye
> of truth
> 
> what does joao want to say?

Re: [Goanet] Toronto Notes - spring & fall seasons

[Ivan Pereira]

Roland, a bit early, leaves not falling yet, but I always enjoyed introducing 
this poem to my students re. Fall! 
Gerard Manley Hopkins is a British Jesuit poet, mid-1850s.

https://youtu.be/BrqZMuTiqi4

If u check below the poem, u will see a couple of detailed analyses of the 
poem, the layers of meaning, the ‘metaphor’, essentially the use of literary 
devices as in much of poetry, etc.. 
Great to explore with teenage kids on a Sunday afternoon, & to get them 
interested in ‘words’, & in expressing themselves.

> On Oct 7, 2021, at 13:10, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Autumn or Fall is upon us and with temperatures a little above normal for 
> this time of year, we are still having end-of-summer excellent weather. 
> Winter is forecasted to be more severe than recent years but that’s not 
> saying much because recent winters were nothing like normal winters at all.
> 
> The pandemic has not had much of an effect on the city. While people still 
> mask up and keep distance, open air spaces are filled again and roads are 
> back to normal traffic. This October presents a vast positive difference to 
> last October. 
> 
> The Toronto International Film Festival which took place a short time ago was 
> only a shade of its previous popularity. Celebrities were few, screenings 
> were mostly virtual and the crowds totally absent due to regulations. 
> 
> Full dose vaccinations are given to 81% of the population but the next goal 
> is 90% and to achieve that, the authorities and employers are tightening the 
> noose with banning non vaccinated people from public transportation and 
> making it difficult lead abnormal life for those who are delaying or refuse 
> to take it.
> 
> The face of Toronto is changing. The phenomenon of those little shopping 
> plazas in the city already gone with mom-and-pops giving way to big box 
> stores, are now being seen in the suburbs too, except for those plazas being 
> replaced by residential condominium towers. It’s a real pity for suburban 
> dwellers like me to see the city encroaching here.
> 
> Working space seems to be permanently changing to hybrid models. While many 
> still totally work from home with a few returning to full time at the office, 
> a substantial number are converting to 3 days at home and 2 at the office. 
> That allows more personal interaction with managers and still gives tax 
> deductibility advantages to both workers and employers since it is counted as 
> a “majority of the working time.” 
> 
> Inflation is high. Every item, food or otherwise that you look at 
> individually has gone up by an average of 25% compared to 3 years ago, but 
> inflation is calculated at 5%. Somebody’s goofing, intentionally or 
> otherwise. Gasoline which was a little above a dollar during the height of 
> the pandemic has reached 1.45/litre today. That may be bad for consumers but 
> good for the economy since Canada is an oil producer.
> 
> Salaries have not changed much except for the bright spot being that jobs are 
> plentiful and doors wide open specially for intending immigrants specially in 
> the in healthcare professions.
> 
> Real estate had shot sky-high with most young people virtually shut out of 
> the housing market unless they are two income professional families with each 
> of them earning 100k or more annually. The average 2 bedroom 800 square ft 
> condo unit costs 700 to 800k with the average detached home costing well 
> above a million. The Pandora Papers are indicating that world real estate 
> prices have been sky rocketing over the years due to investments of ill 
> gotten offshore money into real estate in stable countries through shell 
> companies.
> 
> Toronto may not have been a beautiful city on the lines of many in Europe, 
> but it was certainly a pleasant, homey one. We are now becoming more like a 
> typical American metropolis albeit without the number of rundown 
> neighbourhoods you often see in major US cities. 
> 
> More next month.
> 
> Roland.
> Toronto.
> 

Re: [Goanet] {Dilip's essays} Talk on Deoliwallahs tomorrow

[Ivan Pereira]

I’ll check & try, Dilip. 
I live in Montreal. 

I visited the romantic city of San Francisco 3 times, once at a conference at 
the university there. 2 campuses, UCLA & the State University of SF. Visited 
both. 

I presented on the global economy & emerging ethnicities internationally. That 
was very early in the development. 

As u know, public use of internet started in SF with 3 guys, one a 
Indian-American. 

I met him when I visited. 
He subsequently moved to Bangalore, where I was in Jesuit boarding school years 
earlier, & his 2 start-ups in India sadly bombed (were not successful). 
 
Time warp of 3-5 hrs, (Montreal-west coast) depending if DST or EST. 
- Ivan D. 

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 15:11, Dilip D'Souza  wrote:
> 
> October 4 2021
> 
> Looking forward very much to this discussion tomorrow! - UC Berkeley's
> Thomas Gold, my co-author Joy Ma and myself.
> 
> Please join us! Register here:
> 
> UC Berkeley Events Calendar | [VIRTUAL] Dilip D'Souza and Joy Ma | The
> Deoliwallahs
> 
> 
> October 5, 9am Pacific/12 noon Eastern/4pm UTC/5pm CET/930pm India.
> 
> cheers,
> dilip
> 
> -- 
> My book with Joy Ma: "The Deoliwallahs"
> Twitter: @DeathEndsFun
> Death Ends Fun: http://dcubed.blogspot.com
> 
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Re: [Goanet] Interviews With Tony De Sa by Frederick Noronha

[Ivan Pereira]

Thank u, Roland!
I knew Tony before I heard of Facebook or connected with it. 
There was a lot of controversy re. Facebook, including when Zuckerberg did not 
attend the crisis meeting in California (or send a rep), attended by the 3 
other big companies, inc Microsoft & Apple. 
The meeting was about ‘privacy’ issues, Govt regulation when the Clinton 
Administration said it would intervene & regulate, & the NGOs argued for a free 
internet with no fees, citing democracy & free expression. 

As u may know, open internet was created by 3 people, including an 
Indian-American, in San Francisco. 
He moved to Bangalore, India, but his internet business ventures all ‘bombed’ 
over there. 
You will probably find the San Francisco documentation if u Google it. 
Best wishes! 
- Ivan D. 

> On Sep 28, 2021, at 17:08, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Memories of Tony.
> 
> https://archive.org/details/it-schools
> 
> Moira on a Motorcycle
> https://youtu.be/yydERUkS1Nk
> 
> Roland.
> Toronto.
> 

Re: [Goanet] Mourning abd Wailing for our son

[Ivan Pereira]

https://youtu.be/ephsKVjwoUU

Nelson, your son is singing for u, no clowning around. 

> On Sep 24, 2021, at 08:33, Nelson Lopes  wrote:
> 
> 25 Sept
> A birthday to remember
> To assure  u r not lost forever
> A darling brother , a loving son
> The plan and will of God be done
> 
> The agony  will last and so the  pain
> AS hopes NONE  to see or meet again
> Trying in vain to accept and regain
> Heartaches to end in grave remain
> 
> No matter  how much we  miss  and sigh
> No reason or answer to search why grieving  ,life must go  we try
> Tears are dry as we cry
> 
> Sisters are here to comfort and be near
> Missing the one  who was loved and dear,
> Your absence around is loud and clear
> Our prayers , and best wishes do hear
> 
> Time and years pass. Your memory will last
> The shadow of gloom will forever  cast,
> In a flash and suddenly  you depart
> Shattering our minds  and  breaking our hearts.
> 
> God gave and He took you away
> Enjoyed briefly Your company  and play
> The joyoud moment was always Your birthday.
> The saddest event was departure day
> 
> The year has passed  ,quickly and fast
> Cherished memories will forever last
> Grieving ,mourning over the past
> Aspirations  and plans hopes were vast
> 
> As you lie forlon silently in the grave
> We above attempt to be bold and brave
> Efforts  and prayers  in vain to save
> Sorry mom is the  heart wrenching message you gave
> 
> Good bye  ,farewell  my son u were hope
> 
> In your absence   , need strength  to cope
> God's plan will always prevail
> Wailing, crying complaining of no avail
> Dad
> 24.9.2021

Re: [Goanet] How Many Will Return?

[Ivan Pereira]

ities’.

When discussion of ethnicity is totally avoided, there is an underlying 
dominant ethnicity in play anyway. 
I am sure u appreciate that, & have an acute & understanding ear re. those 
vibes floating in the air. 

> On Sep 21, 2021, at 16:16, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Raymond De Souza is a Catholic parish priest in an Ontario Church, a 
> Chaplain at Queens University and on the teaching faculty of the Departments 
> of Education and of Economics at the University. He is a religious columnist 
> at the National Post, one of the country’s major newspapers and a columnist 
> at other major Catholic publications. 
> 
> He is the son, I am told, of Cedric De Souza a chemistry teacher at 
> Strathmore in Kenya in the1960s. 
> 
> This was a timely topic of discussion among concerned Catholics in Toronto 
> even before this article. Some Church sources were even quoted saying 
> anonymously that 40% less churchgoers would return for regular services once 
> restrictions were completely lifted. If that were true, it would have severe 
> financial implications for this diocese which though having other sources of 
> income, are overdependent on regular church donations.
> 
> Filomena must be already knowing, but will take heart with the fact that if 
> this trend takes place throughout the developed Catholic world, the 
> non-Caucasian section of the flock is bound to have a more powerful voice in 
> its affairs.
> 
> Even to me as a non-believer, I wish it didn’t happen. A traditional sense of 
> community and activity should not be lost. Ivan Pereira should be able to 
> tell us how from complete control of the population in every aspect of their 
> lives, the Catholic Church in Quebec today can only muster a few stragglers 
> in rural and even suburban churches. 
> 
> Raymond J. de Souza: COVID may have hastened Christianity's decline in Canada 
> | National Post
> https://nationalpost.com/opinion/raymond-j-de-souza-covid-may-have-hastened-christianitys-decline-in-canada
> 
> Roland.
> Toronto.
> 

Re: [Goanet] Canadian elections

[Ivan Pereira]

Goanet, many years ago, 
I presented to a UNESCO conference of NGOs. Online conference with over 12,000 
participants, UNESCO’s own estimated figures.  

My paper was titled: 
‘The Simultaneously National & International Crisis as a Generic Type’. (About 
50 pages). 

It was ‘theoretical’, showing a crisis in one country has impact on other 
countries, bcoz we r now ‘connected’ thru economies & cultural relations, 
particularly in a country of immigrants like Canada. 

The Gujarat massacre on a train when Modi was CM there had an impact in Canada, 
as pressure was put on Canada re. relations with the then State & Central Govts 
of India. Many Gujarati-Canadians & businesses. 

There are many similar examples.   

The title of my paper is clear re. contents. 

When UNESCO produced the proceedings, they first asked me to send a 
two-paragraph synopsis. 
They later said the editors wanted the whole presentation, or preferably in 
point form (my slide presentation).

So these issues are a deep concern, & I repeatedly reminded UNESCO about the 
nature of a ‘national & international crises’ that impacts us all.

I had also reminded the Portuguese Govt & Indian Govt, as India has 
long-standing economic agreements with Portugal & its former colonies, & huge 
investments in Brazil, Mozambique, etc., & these can be in jeopardy if there 
are repeated complaints of human rights abuse. 

Clout for human rights come also from international sources, not just local, 
and that is ‘legitimate’ in the 21st century, as I have on occasion reminded 
the Indian Govt, & its High Commission in Ottawa. 

I used to know personally successive High Commissioners representing India in 
Canada. 

Absolutely no ill-will, & in fact they & staff were thankful for my 
involvement, causing their need to respond. 
I sometimes shared a ‘veg thali’ & garam chai across the street from the HC.

So, all of u, wherever u live, get involved. Never despair! 

U can e-mail a blistering & ‘bitter’ lemon-pickle  complaint (with enlarged 
vocabulary) to a politician or Govt b4 ‘the wife‘ serves u her Salcette-style 
‘shakouti’ with tons of chillie & pakrika. Red-hot 類
- Ivan D.
- in Montreal at the Tim Horton’s coffee shop on a Sunday, off their hi-speed 
free internet to customers. 
They allow big attachments, but I am sure not the whole Encyclopaedia 
Brittanica. 
A link would be ok, I guess.  

> On Sep 19, 2021, at 16:43, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> I’ll be the first one to agree that Goans in Goa should be given the 
> opportunity to vote in the Canadian elections. But they may be sorely 
> disappointed.
> 
> No one will come to your doors offering you fridges, bicycles and Biryani.
> 
> There will be no candidates on the ballot charged with felonies.
> 
> There will be no noise pollution on the roads with loudspeakers blaring out 
> the virtues of the candidates. 
> 
> There will be no promises of things being done in your constituencies.
> 
> There will be no actual or implied assurances of the politicos coming to your 
> rescue at police stations. 
> 
> There will be no quid pro quo of any illegal construction on your property 
> getting the OK if you vote for them.
> 
> There will be no implied threats of harm coming to you if you don’t vote for 
> the local gangster.
> 
> The polling stations will be organized in such a manner you won’t believe it 
> can happen. The integrity and secrecy of your ballot will be paramount.
> 
> No matter your physical ability to vote, the overriding concern is to help 
> you to actually vote.
> 
> The results will be announced in a couple of hours after polls are closed. 
> 
> Roland Francis
> 416-453-3371
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 3:03 PM, Frederick Noronha  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Would anyone agree with me that Goans resident in Goa should also be given
>> a chance to vote in the Canadian elections? Just like people of the world
>> need to vote in the US elections --the results can devastate their homes,
>> bomb their countries and kill their futures?
>> In the case of Canada, the party/ideology in power does tend to influence
>> our expats there. Who, in turn, define "development" for Goa and never stop
>> telling us about the kind of Goa "they" want to see. Or we should all be
>> seeing. Hence this suggestion.
>> Anyway, here's an update on the upcoming elections, and who better to tell
>> us about it than, Qatar-ka Al Jazeera?
>> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/19/infographic-all-you-need-to-know-about-the-canadian-election
>> FN
>> ᐧ

Re: [Goanet] Religious Groups Found Wanting

[Ivan Pereira]

Thank u, Roland. 
I’ll check it tonight. 
Saturday afternoon in Montreal: have chores to do ! 

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> On Sep 18, 2021, at 12:31, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Here is the link Ivan.
> https://www.iicsa.org.uk/helping-protect-children-sexual-abuse-now-and-future
> 
> Roland.
> Toronto.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Ivan Pereira  wrote:
>> 
>> Mervyn, 
>> I have been a member of the World Conference of Religions & Peace (WCRP) 
>> since inception in Canada, & served on its Executive Board. 
>> 
>> This issue specifically is not on the agenda or the purpose of WCRP. 
>> However, many interfaith activities are coordinated re. various issues. 
>> 
>> Do ask the London UK chapter to do what it can. I used to keep in touch with 
>> the London chapter, which is widely connected to various religious community 
>> organizations in the UK. 
>> 
>> You mention a report, but I do not see a link to the report. Could u send it 
>> to me? 
>> 
>> In some faith communities, there may be more of a hierarchical relationship 
>> in families & in the faith community itself, & therefore less of a a chance 
>> of publicizing this & pursuing solutions, or of widening the circle of 
>> interfaith understanding. 
>> 
>> Do consider joining WCRP as a member & participate in their activities. 
>> 
>> For years in Canada, there have been investigations of Catholic clergy 
>> historical abuse of young boys in educational institutions.
>> 
>> The Catholic Church in Canada claims it is pursuing education of clergy & 
>> correcting wrongs, etc., on this sensitive subject, & information is less 
>> forthcoming.
>> 
>> There have been some court cases in Nova Scotia, etc.. 
>> 
>> Mervyn, re. your e-address, is it located in a ‘shamba’? Very dense? 
>> People meet there for privacy? 
>> - Ivan D. 
>> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 05:03, Mervyn Maciel 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The report is a timely warning for ALL religious groups.
>>> For too long now they have been hiding under the cloak
>>> of secrecy  wanting to preserve their good name while
>>> allowing innocent victims to suffer further indignity.
>>> While I know the Catholic authorities in Britain have introduced
>>> stringent measures to safeguard individuals against Child Sex abuse,
>>> a lot still needs to be done throughout ALL religious organisations.
>>> They need reminding that they are certainly not above the law.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mervyn Maciel

Re: [Goanet] Religious Groups Found Wanting

[Ivan Pereira]

Mervyn, 
I have been a member of the World Conference of Religions & Peace (WCRP) since 
inception in Canada, & served on its Executive Board. 

This issue specifically is not on the agenda or the purpose of WCRP. 
However, many interfaith activities are coordinated re. various issues. 

Do ask the London UK chapter to do what it can. I used to keep in touch with 
the London chapter, which is widely connected to various religious community 
organizations in the UK. 

You mention a report, but I do not see a link to the report. Could u send it to 
me? 

In some faith communities, there may be more of a hierarchical relationship in 
families & in the faith community itself, & therefore less of a a chance of 
publicizing this & pursuing solutions, or of widening the circle of interfaith 
understanding. 

Do consider joining WCRP as a member & participate in their activities. 

For years in Canada, there have been investigations of Catholic clergy 
historical abuse of young boys in educational institutions. 

The Catholic Church in Canada claims it is pursuing education of clergy & 
correcting wrongs, etc., on this sensitive subject, & information is less 
forthcoming. 

There have been some court cases in Nova Scotia, etc.. 

Mervyn, re. your e-address, is it located in a ‘shamba’? Very dense? 
People meet there for privacy? 
- Ivan D. 

> On Sep 18, 2021, at 05:03, Mervyn Maciel  
> wrote:
> 
> The report is a timely warning for ALL religious groups.
> For too long now they have been hiding under the cloak
> of secrecy  wanting to preserve their good name while
> allowing innocent victims to suffer further indignity.
>   While I know the Catholic authorities in Britain have introduced
> stringent measures to safeguard individuals against Child Sex abuse,
> a lot still needs to be done throughout ALL religious organisations.
> They need reminding that they are certainly not above the law.
> 
> 
> Mervyn Maciel

Re: [Goanet] Me And Bobby McGee

[Ivan Pereira]

Great song, Roland ! 

> On Sep 16, 2021, at 23:32, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> A Country and Western gypsy style classic written by Kris Kristofferson and 
> Freddie Foster, it tells of a travelling duo of a man and his retarded woman 
> friend called Bobby McGee. At last tiring of her, he leaves her by the 
> roadside one night and she dies.
> 
> The song is about freedom of the road but also about never being free. The 
> Janis Joplin version recorded a few days before she died became an all-time 
> hit posthumously, but I prefer the Reba McEntire version which is linked 
> below the recording by Nashville’s male royalty.
> 
> Dedicated to Eric the Ace of Alms and Vithal, the Viscount of Texan Oil. 
> 
> The Highwaymen, Kris Kristofferson, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash and Waylon 
> Jennings
> https://youtu.be/D8NsoN4S7IE
> 
> Reba McEntire
> https://youtu.be/gysmRAHx4lU
> 
> Roland.
> Toronto. 
> 

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 495

[Ivan Pereira]

Yea, Joao bab, u surely do not want to make pigeons into red meat eaters! 

I recall some years ago attending a small NGO gathering of interfaith peace 
workers & the keynote speaker was the Dalai Llama. 

He sometimes comes to Montreal Canada to meet privately with members of the 
Tibetan Buddhist temple. 
Many ‘refugees’ living here.

After his short ‘talk’, someone asked him what can we do locally to promote 
peace. 

He got a bit exasperated, as he had outlined already a few simple things. 

He said: 
if u want peace, eat less red meat ! 

- u know, when people order steaks & ask for it to be cooked ‘rare’, not ‘well 
done’, some blood/fluids are still flowing on the surface of the steak in the 
plate. I notice plates at the next table, as I have ‘subji’ in mine 

Some people were very upset & he was not invited again for 2 yrs at meetings of 
that large prestigious organization across North America. 
Then they bowed to each other & made up, & I was there, as I was on the 
Executive Board. 

Señor Joao Barros-Pereira, does ‘red meat’ make people more aggressive? Is 
sorpotel also red meat & a pinky, oinky culprit? 

Amcher susagad grunting piglets get suspicious some harm is going to happen to 
them soon, when we start pampering them & give them first names ? 

Quebec, in Canada, is the largest producer of pork in North America, & it is 
exported all over the world. Very hi-tech farms. 
They r given hormones & chemicals, etc., to fatten them quickly, & this stuff 
gets into the food chain. 

What does Joao want to reply ! oink-oink ! 
- Ivan D. 

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>   1. Only Give (Joao Barros-Pereira)
>   2. A CASE MERITING THE JUDICIARY TO HANG ITS ITSELF (Aires Rodrigues)
>   3. Original article re. Indian flag (Ivan Pereira)
>   4. Re: Top ten gangsters in Goa (George Pinto)
>   5. Civil Disobedience training (Ivan Pereira)
>   6. Choice voters right candidate is a myth (Nelson Lopes)
>   7. Cows can be toilet-trained? (Filomena Giese)
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:40:06 +0530
> From: Joao Barros-Pereira 
> To: goanet 
> Subject: [Goanet] Only Give
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> saw owner
> of restaurant
> 
> give
> yesterday?s
> buns
> to pigeons
> 
> he breaks
> buns
> into small
> and smaller
> pieces
> 
> thows
> to pigeons
> who
> eat happily
> 
> i
> look up
> 
> and
> read
> the signage
> 
> Pure Vegetarian
> Restaurant
> 
> a
> sigh
> of relief
> 
> what does joao want to say?
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 06:52:25 +0530
> From: Aires Rodrigues 
> To: goanet 
> Subject: [Goanet] A CASE MERITING THE JUDICIARY TO HANG ITS ITSELF
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> The reported news that the disqualification petition against those 10
> Congress MLAs will be heard through video-conferencing on 15th September by
> a specially constituted bench of the Bombay High Court headed by Justice
> K.K.Tated is just hilarious.
> 
> As Justice Tated is due to retire in three days on 18th September, the
> scripted show will just go on.
> 
> The Judiciary including the Supreme Court with then Chief Justice SA Bobde
> has in this case just dragged its feet and abdicated in its responsibility
> to decide this matter pertaining to alleged political prostitution one way
> or the other. It has been a spectacular example of Tarik Pe Tarik.
> 
> With the Assembly elections around the corner this matter will now have to
> be adjudicated in the People?s Court. Jai ho
> 
> Adv. Aires Rodrigues
> 
> C/G-2, Shopping Complex
> 
> Ribandar Retreat
> 
> Ribandar ? Goa ? 403006
> 
> Mobile No: 9822684372
> 
> Office Tel  No: (0832) 2444012
> 
> Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> You can also reach me on
> 
> Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues
> 
> Twitter@rodrigues_aires
> 
&

[Goanet] Civil Disobedience training

[Ivan Pereira]

Recently, Goanet.net published re. ‘colours of the Indian flag’. 

We rarely discuss much today about ‘non-violent protest’, its 
1) philosophy & 
2) its tactical actions, etc., which Mahatma Gandhi wrote about in some detail, 
& others have done since. 

I hope this PDF attached gives some perspective, in your actions in future, 
when making a non-violent stand is essential. 

Let’s revisit, & review new realities, & choices available to take action in 
this 21st century, where everything is connected, & communications are instant 
across the globe. 


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[Goanet] Original article re. Indian flag

[Ivan Pereira]

This was the ‘original article‘ re.colours of the Indian flag, written in July, 
2020.
I hope it gives perspective & we do not turn excessively inward: I do not 
anticipate that occurring, as we do have a larger perspective. 

From: "Ivan D."  
Date: 2020-08-14 10:16 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Ivan DP  
Subject: Aug 14 & 15, 1947: Independence of Pakistan & India 

I hope u have/find the time to read this, & that it provides a historical 
perspective of the events of 14-15, 1947, & the decades before 1947. 
- Ivan D. ✌


Aug 14 & 15, 1947: Independence of Pakistan & India: 

The first flag below (with the wheel, ‘chakra) is that of the Republic of India 
(Independence in 1947). 

The second flag (below left, orange on left)) is that of the Republic of 
Ireland (war of independence, 1918-1922, & included in the Irish Constitution 
in 1937). It was first flown in 1848 (by Thomas Francis Meagher). 

The third flag (below right, green on left) is of the Ivory Coast (independence 
in 1960). 

Historical perspective: 

The Indian independence leaders admired the Irish. 

They felt that the Irish, with close territorial proximity to Great Britain, 
still won their independence, & they wondered why they were having difficulty 
1000s of miles away. 

So, it is not very clear if the same  colours are just a coincidence, or 
whether the Indian independence leaders were reaching out to Europe, & making a 
statement with the flag colours that they were not making it excessively a 
racial issue. 

Some British leaders sought European support, stating just that, & attempting 
to isolate India from the international community.  

Ivory Coast got their independence in 1960, again difficult to imagine the same 
colours are a coincidence (green the grasslands of the Savannahs, white the 
rivers, orange the coastal areas). 

When an Ivorian coast woman won the World Indoor 60m dash, 1988, she had no 
flag. She borrowed the Irish one, reversed it (backwards, so green was first), 
& ran the victory lap with it. 

For the Irish, green signified the Catholics, orange the Protestants, & white a 
truce between the two. 

India considered green the (agricultural) wealth of the land, white meant 
‘purity’, & orange ‘spirituality’. 

The wheel in the middle (Chakra) represented Asoka the Great, & Indian 
civilization of his time. 

In my view, our planet is shrinking, inter-related intrinsically & in practical 
terms, & in time we will celebrate & fight for ‘sovereignty’ at different 
levels, from the autonomy of the individual to the well-being of our planet. 

Decades ago, there was a small radioactive leak from a nuclear power plant in 
New Jersey. 

Six months later, scientists sent teams to collect snow samples from Mount 
Everest & Mount K2, (the tallest mountain), from places no human being has 
been. 

The snow samples examined in the laboratory had ‘the signature’ of that 
radioactive leak. 

Increasingly, we will have to solve challenges & find solutions at a global 
level, while protecting our sovereignties at different levels, and the primacy 
of the ‘nation-state’ will take a back seat to emerging universal values 
related to our collective survival. 

Of course, the struggles of  peoples  of the earth & humanity for freedom will 
continue to be remembered, & freedom gained celebrated ! 

(PS. Why Aug 14 at the top? Pakistan was given independence on Aug 14, 1947, so 
Pakistanis claim they got independence first. SURE !)

Sept 15 is a huge feast in southern  Italy, celebrating the ‘Ascension of Our 
Lady’, when her body & soul (not just her soul) went to Heaven, one of the 
Mysteries of the Catholic faith (I am not sure if all Protestant denominations 
celebrate Aug 15 in the same way). 

I assume that is a coincidence, too, not just a reaching out to Europe by the 
Indian independence leaders, who kept stressing that they did not want 
independence to be construed as primarily a racial issue, tho it was also very 
much that !

I hope this gives some perspective to the outstanding leadership in a very 
debilitating time in history. 

AHIMSA ! ☮️


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[Goanet] Origins of the colours of the Indian flag 

[Ivan Pereira]

FYI - sharing a ‘note’ with 
members of Goanet.net: 

Origins of the colours of the Indian flag: orange, white, & green. 

The other very big coincidence (as u & colleagues may know) 
is the similarity of the colours of the Irish flag & the Indian flag: 
The Irish flag has green, white, & orange vertical stripes. 

It is well-known that the Indian independence leaders admired the Irish freedom 
fighters in the 1910s, Collins & others, surviving thru the Partitions, etc.. 

They wondered how Ireland got independence (except for the 14 northern 
Protestant majority counties) while being in close proximity with England, & 
why India was having such difficulty 1000s of miles away. 

There is a lot of mumbo-jumbo taught in schools about the significance of the 
colours, religious symbolism, etc., & the chakra of course of Ashoka the Great. 

However, the coincidence & similarity to the Irish flag is unmistakable, the 
Indian flag having the same colours horizontally, the Irish vertically. No 
other flag had similar colours. 

The Indian independence leaders were making a strong statement that they were 
part of the international community, & that independence was not about 
isolation, or being isolated.

Subsequently, more than a decade later, an African country chose the same 
colours. 

The Indian leaders behind the scenes were ‘internationalists’, & very rightly 
so, as they wanted to participate in the international economy, as that was 
where they saw their future & prosperity. 

Dieu Borem Korun ! 

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[Goanet] Bath time in Goa ?

[Ivan Pereira]

We are experiencing ‘heat waves’ across Canada. 

-- next part --



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[Goanet] Notre Dame cathedral renovation proposal

[Ivan Pereira]

Architect unveils striking proposal for 'green' Notre Dame:

https://www.cnn.com/style/article/france-notre-dame-green-scli-intl/index.html

This would be great whenever Goa’s churches are slated for renovations of 
various kinds. 

They  can become ‘living & breathing’ socio-economic entities in communities, 
in interfaith harmony, while also providing religious & spiritual guidance. 

This initiative may not get chosen, as the powers-that-be may opt for a more 
traditional renovation, given the history of the building. 

(this does not apply to Salvacao Church, as its architecture is totally unique 
& impressive). 

[Goanet] Re. BJP/RSS

[Ivan Pereira]

A view of BJP/RSS before the Indian elections. 

This video LINK below is of interest, as we should ask ourselves to what extent 
BJP/RSS policies are intended to skew India’s traditional values of tolerance, 
openness, & fundamental valuing of diversity in Indian society. 

Shashi Tharoor is a long-time thinker & author in India, former Commissioner of 
Refugees at the UN (I may not have the exact title right). 

It was the job Kofi Anan held before he became Secretary-General of the UN. 

After Kofi Anan’s term, Shashi Tharoor sought the position of 
Secretary-General, to be the second Asian since U Thant of Burma. 

He was not successful, & returned to India to became a Cabinet Minister for 
Foreign Affairs in the Congress Govt of Dr. Manmohan Singh. 

Shashi is presently a senior leader in the Congress Party of India. 

His father is from Andhra Pradesh, his mother from Kerala. He is elected from 
Kerala. He is educated at St. Stephen’s in New Delhi & at Oxford University. 

 https://www.facebook.com/12850792253/posts/1897007200404288?sfns=xmo
> 
>>> 

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