[Goanet] Child Abuse - the problems
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- St. Mary's Convent High school, Mapusa is staging a play titled "Lion King" December 1, 2007 - Hanuman Hall, Mapusa to fundraise for a false ceiling for the school hall & upgrading the school playground Headmistress Sr. Namika A.C. / Teacher Mrs. Sonia Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Child Abuse There are atleast three facets to this sorry matter: 1. The plight of the child who (silently or otherwise) suffers the abuse. 2. The fate of the person who is falsely accused of abuse. 3. The quandary of those who have to make the decisions. It is my belief that those among us who are parents, teachers, brothers and sisters need to keep a close eye on our little ones. Those who suffer abuse - surely - carry the emotional load throughout their lives It is also important that we watch out for those who might make false accusations. Once an accusation is made - nobody will believe that the accused is innocent - Even if the court throws out the case. It is important to remember that there are some who will use the 'abuse' claim as an act of revenge. Specifically watch out for those who want to mess up the life of a former husband or wife and those who have failed to get a 'business contract' from the accused. For those among us who have to make certain decisions - there is NO room for error. If we are wrong, one of the parties gets hurt and hurt very badly. It is my submission that Cases should be reported and DNA samples should be obtained as soon as possible. Apart from that - there is unlimited scope for speculation and gossip. vide comment on: Goa Children's Act http://www.colaco.net/1/gca2003.htm jc
Re: [Goanet] Chandrakant Keni and Gulf Goans (cedrico)
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- St. Mary's Convent High school, Mapusa is staging a play titled "Lion King" December 1, 2007 - Hanuman Hall, Mapusa to fundraise for a false ceiling for the school hall & upgrading the school playground Headmistress Sr. Namika A.C. / Teacher Mrs. Sonia Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- cedrico dacosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : < CK is my neighbour at Margao and i prefer he sticks to writing literature than economics. And to think of it that CK was the incharge of the NRI cell in Goa, at one time? All i can say is the Arabs never came to Goa to call Goans to come and work for them. It is the person who gets lured and choses to work in the Gulf and forfeit many a previledges in his home country. All that glitters is not gold, it never is and will never be. If the situation in Goa was good and jobs were given on merit and not sold out to outsiders for a price, Goans would have preferred to be there in their own land with their loved ones.> jc's response: Extremely well written and Intellectually honest post. My only addendum is as follows: 1. These hard working Gulf Goans have maintained their families and the businesses(possre) in Goa for several decades. 2. These Gulf Goans are the true heroes of Goa. They toiled in a distant and inhospitable land to help their own families make it. 3. Chandrakant Keni would NOT probably know that the Arabs did not have to employ Goans. There are tons of people applying for jobs there. Here ...some another xenophobic gem from Chandrakant Keni - a alleged lover of Goa and Konkani who worked for a pro-Merger Marathi paper and consistently supported a proMerger party in Goa - followed by a schizoid anti-Marathiwadi post. http://www.colaco.net/1/KeniBunkPort.htm http://www.colaco.net/1/BewareMarathiwadis.htm jc
Re: [Goanet] Reply to JC regarding Aires Rodrigues (to Albert)
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- St. Mary's Convent High school, Mapusa is staging a play titled "Lion King" December 1, 2007 - Hanuman Hall, Mapusa to fundraise for a false ceiling for the school hall & upgrading the school playground Headmistress Sr. Namika A.C. / Teacher Mrs. Sonia Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Albert Desouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Mr.Jc I appreciate Aires Rodrigues for his guts. There is rampant corruption going on with the clergy and the church at large. The church is a registered body registered under Maharastra Society Act of 1860 .It has not disclosed the names of its primary members nor the names of the governing body because there is something fishy. Unless this is done the church cannot be absolved of anything. I would appreciate if Mr.Aires does digging on the above subject to find out who are the primary members of the church, who are the governing members of that society and what is the MOU.There are no exceptions anywhere. AB Dear Albert, Pray tell me what relationship your post has with my comments wrt Aires Rodrigues. I recognise the alleged 'guts' of Aires Rodrigues. I submit however that there is a fine line between bravado and foolhardiness. BTW: Are you referring to the Societies Registration Act 1860 as amended in 1976? Does it have any sections relating to the information you write about? If so, is there a legal avenue by which either Aires or you can obtain the information which can be officially disclosed? or is it that one needs to be a rabble rouser (aka disordero) to attract attention to self? There is one further avenue that Aires Rodrigues can take (like you and me et anyone else) instead of SPAMMING others private email accounts (which Aires continues to do) i.e. Apply to contest for elections, contest and let the people or the alleged voting banks decide. sincerely jc --(excerpt) Aires Rodrigues wrote: Goa's Roman Catholic Church might have been able to wriggle out of the Ribandar Church molestation case by Fr. Newton Rodrigues jc responded: 1: was the Goa Roman Catholic Church a "party" to the alleged molestation case that Aires is all about all over again? 3: what was/is Aires' relationship to any person who may have wanted a business contract from Fr. Newton Rodrigues? 5: Will Aires deny (on Goanet) that he did NOT make threatening phone calls to the nuns in Old Goa? PS: I have zero problems with anybody (...) being held accountable for impropriety and irregularity. I do have a problem with the Aireses of this world continuing to try cases thrown out by the courts - in the public arena - over and over again.
Re: [Goanet] Alfred De Tavares
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- St. Mary's Convent High school, Mapusa is staging a play titled "Lion King" December 1, 2007 - Hanuman Hall, Mapusa to fundraise for a false ceiling for the school hall & upgrading the school playground Headmistress Sr. Namika A.C. / Teacher Mrs. Sonia Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- bhandare wrote: [ Cedrico: chachi gets addled because even though 420 the accused party is still twice born ] Is Bhandare talking about Bandodkar when he/she says "420". He couldn't be "twice born" unless we are talking about Luso-Indian as twice. Or is Bhandare saying that Dr Willy de Souza is a Hindu, Afrikaans or Nazi? for ONLY Hindus practice the apartheid Caste System! i.e. ALL those who practice the apartheid Caste System are Hindus, Afrikaans or Nazis I do know another CM ( a favourite, perhaps, of Bhandare) who is "twice born" and a specialist in coups. Do you know that twice born CM, Bhandare? jc
Re: [Goanet] JCs defence of selma and Bhandare's defensiveness
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- St. Mary's Convent High school, Mapusa is staging a play titled "Lion King" December 1, 2007 - Hanuman Hall, Mapusa to fundraise for a false ceiling for the school hall & upgrading the school playground Headmistress Sr. Namika A.C. / Teacher Mrs. Sonia Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Bhandare wrote: 1: please refer the archives and you will see the kind of language she has used against me as well as others... 2: "being wary of" and "hating" are indeed different terms but i think some one who uses terms like "poisonous snakes" "wolves" etc is taking things too far 3: as regards sonia gandhi i do not hate her 4: as regards the VCD issue i have explicitly stated that the government had absolutely no business in peddling such a thing... 5: once again private organizations can do what they want as it comes under the right to free speech... in fact that particular film was also cleared by the censor board. Dear Bhandare, I appreciate the civility and courtesy of your response. re 1: Please provide me with the URL of the offensive Selma posts. I will do the necessary e-search and respond. re 2: I do not hate the snakes/wolves or the BJP. I am wary of them. Please advise me WHO hates the BJP on GoaNet as you have stated. re 3: I am glad that you do not hate Sonia Gandhi re 4: Who is responsible for the peddling of that VideoCD crap? re 5: If one really has "free speech" - why does one have to rely on the Censor Board? And can their decision not be subject to Judicial review? Are they a rule unto themselves? jc
Re: [Goanet] GOA PRIESTS, LAND DEALS and AIRES
airesrod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Goa's Roman Catholic Church might have been able to wriggle out of the Ribandar Church molestation case by Fr. Newton Rodrigues and the late Fr. Eusebio Ferrao episode but this time the Goan Roman Catholic Church may find it hard to grapple with this latest startling revelation by Goa's Congress party. jc's comment: It is quite strange that a person with legal qualifications should make statements like the one above. I ask: 1: was the Goa Roman Catholic Church a "party" to the alleged molestation case that Aires is all about all over again? 2: what was/is Aires' relationship to Fr. Newton Rodrigues? 3: what was/is Aires' relationship to any person who may have wanted a business contract from Fr. Newton Rodrigues? 4: what was the court's decision in this case? 5: Will Aires deny (on Goanet) that he did NOT make threatening phone calls to the nuns in Old Goa? 6: Will Aires advise us WHY he took a 'sabbatical' or leave of absence from Goa - after the nuns allegedly accused him of assault (I am being kind here)? PS: I have zero problems with anybody (priest, IT consultant, lawyer or liar) being held accountable for impropriety and irregularity. I do have a problem with the Aireses of this world continuing to try cases thrown out by the courts - in the public arena - over and over again. jc
Re: [Goanet] Congress cancels holidays and Bhandare cancels civility towards Selma
Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ...Dear Sonia: 1: The main reason why some people on goanet hate the BJP 2: their visceral hatred stems from the fact that we are hindus... 3: it is naive to assume that had parikar not cancelled holidays or had not come out with the VCD these people would have supported him... 4: as far as selma being a paid congress agent, thats not true..her vaccuous nonsense is not something anyone will pay for:-) 5: dont pay too much attention to her types...that just emboldens them moreonce in a while they should be censured so that they remain in line Dear Bhandare, re 1: I wish you would point out one person on GoaNet who 'hates' the BJP. Hate is a sign of weakness. Besides, there is a difference between Hating and Being Wary of. re 2: could it be said that Bhandare hates Sonia (Gandhi) because she was born a Catholic? re 3: I have written to you before about the 'canceled holidays' and WHY I support Parrikar on the decision to cancel as many holidays as possible for civil servants. They are forever on holiday. Please do not mix up the "Holidays" issue with the Communal VCD issue. I ask you, would you trust a group of avowed WHITE supremacists burning a cross in your yard? re 4: What about you? Are you a paid BJP agent? And Is your vaccuous nonsense something anyone will pay for? re 5: holding you in check! jc
Re: [Goanet] J Colacos suggestions and Bhandare's response (to Barad)
Bhandare (On 04/11/2007) : We goans need to solve our problems and not let outsiders fish in troubled waters.. JC: We may wish to ask ourselves: The outsiders never fished like this before 1961. Why are they able to fish now? What besides the departure of the Portuguese happened after 1961? Barad: Is JC trying to project that Portuguese were insiders? Surprised!! Have they as outsiders not "Fished and Troubled Goa" during their rule. Have they not "Fished You" from your originality and converted you to Christian! Should we not call those conversion attempts "Dirty Fishing"! jc's response: Dears, May I suggest that those (like the Dr. Barad) who seek to respond to my posts, please read the posts in context? I do accept that English is a difficult language - for some, more than others. Even so, please let us engage our brains before we open our mouths (figuratively). NOW, please ascertain WHICH "outsiders" Bhandare and Rajan Parrikar have been writing (and Rajan posting photographs) about. YES, once again - please refer to context. MY position (and I repeat for the sound byte wallas): After 1961, legally - there is NO such thing as an Indian citizen bhaillo or bhaillem in Goa. ALL Indian citizens have as much land rights in Goa as do any Goans. They can buy the land, sell the land and do whatever they wish to do with that land within the legal parameters set out by the various zoning restrictions. YES - money will talk! These alleged "bhailles" could not do this for 400+ years before 1961 - could they? Is the (immediately) above statement that difficult to comprehend? or do we need to express our innate need to go on a weird tangent every single time? BTW, as far as my 'originality and conversion to Christianity': I really do not know what form of religion or atheism my fore-fore-forebears followed. They possibly worshiped some Kunbi or Gavdi God or a Coconut tree, only to converted to the Brahman dominated Casteism by the Aryans who came down from up north; then re-converted to Buddhism during Ashoka's time, only to be reconverted to Hinduism, Islam during the various bloody battles that Hindu and Muslim rulers fought over what was then Goa to be followed by the Christian conversion. I do not believe that ANY of the above conversions were voluntary. I strongly believe that every single conversion was involuntary. Dr. Barad is right. Every single 'conversion' that Goans have had imposed upon them has been 'dirty'. Every single imposed one - and that includes Brahmanism/Casteism, Buddhism, Islam and Christianity. I can tell you this though - my personal continuance as a Catholic is absolutely voluntary. jc
Re: [Goanet] DEVANAGARI LOBBY, KONKNNI in Roman Script and the attack on Miguelbab
Sebastian Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mogall Miguel bab, I reckon you are suffering from chronic jaundice. The reasons for this "diagnosis" etc etc jc's response: Dear all, Three quick points: 1: One does NOT suffer from jaundice 2: Jaundice is not really a diagnosis 3: Interesting that Sebastian Borges should first address Miguelbab as "Mogall" and then proceed to attack him in the manner he did. Anyone remember the Kiss of Judas? jc One who believes that Miguelbab almost always makes a whole lot of sense
Re: [Goanet] Selma 's sensationalism (RKN)
On 18/11/2007, Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I guess your'e just jealous of the "good life" the ancient Nairs had, Dr JC! :-) jc's response: You call that "good life" ? I do not believe that anyone can truly have a 'good life' by abusing and demeaning another. Perhaps RKN believes otherwise. jc Thank you GMail for storing the MANY episodes of conversation between jc and rkn which do not mention the awful Nair suppression of "lower caste" women in Kerala.
Re: [Goanet] Selma 's sensationalism (RKN)
On 16/11/2007, Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dr JC as usual,. can never engage in a converstion with me, either public or private, without raking up some "Nair history" and assorted humbug. jc's response: 1: Thank you GMail for storing the MANY episodes of conversation between jc and rkn which do not mention the awful Nair suppression of "lower caste" women in Kerala. 2: I can understand RKN's confusion or selective memory. For quite some time, RKN thought that JC was Bernado Colaco! Ew! 3: But let us not worry about JC I ask...Is it OK for RKN to refer to the past when discussing the present (wrt Westerm Toilet habits) but not OK for C to remind RKN about the ridiculous nature of his comparing by refering to the Mair oppression of "lower caste women" ? jc
Re: [Goanet] Observations about a Keri chaa and biscuti at the local gaado (Jeevan)
* GOANET C * O * M * M * U * N * I * T * Y E * V * E * N * T * Xavier Center of Historical Research presents HISTORY HOUR TOPIC: Waste Wise - An Interactive Awareness Presentation on Waste Management in Goa SPEAKER: Clinton Vaz - November 16, 2007 - 5:30pm VISIT: http://tinyurl.com/222757 On 15/11/2007, Jeevan R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mr. Colaco: You need to wake up to the reality, which is that Konkani is not the ONLY communication, business language of Goans. etc etc Mr. Jeevan, May I suggest that you please read my post in context of all the 'anti-bhaille' posts that the usual BJP-sycophants have been posting on GoaNet? I repeat my oft stated point: As of Dec 1961, ALL citizens of India have EVERY right to be in Goa. If (as Rajan Parrikar states) the Goa that he knew will disappear - as a result - So be it. IF there are no toilet facilities for these people - they will use the facilities provided them by nature. There is zero point in trying to gross us out with pictures of some 'bhaillo' defecating somewhere. BTW: WHY are we invading his privacy when he was probably in deep thought? (:-) I understand the concern about the wanton destruction of the environment - I do not however support the notion 'Goa is for Goans only' . Not only is that immoral, it is also illegal. Sometimes, it helps to engage one's brain before one opens one's mouth. jc also a fluent Marathi speaker, if I may say so nyself !
Re: [Goanet] JC 's Observations about Keri chaa and biscuti (pravin)
* GOANET C * O * M * M * U * N * I * T * Y E * V * E * N * T * Xavier Center of Historical Research presents HISTORY HOUR TOPIC: Waste Wise - An Interactive Awareness Presentation on Waste Management in Goa SPEAKER: Clinton Vaz - November 16, 2007 - 5:30pm VISIT: http://tinyurl.com/222757 re my comment: You said that " IF I were visiting this area and saw a shop with ONLY Marathi and NO Konkani notices, I would think that the place is run by some "bhaillo" from Maharashtra' Pravin Sabnis asked [1]: all shops with notices in English are run by 'baillos" from England? and all shops with notices in Portugese are run by 'baillos" from Portugal? jc's response[1]: Pravinbaba, I do not know about "baillos" - the word 'baillo' (women) does not have a plural form. BUT ...I'd say ...YES. If there are shops in Goa 2007 with notices ONLY in Portuguese or English, those shops are run by some bhailles. Pravin Sabnis also asked:[2] " some of us who also write in "konkani in the Romi lipi" are from Rome? jc's response[2]: Yes, it is possible that there are some of us who are from Rome. jc
Re: [Goanet] BJP ZEALOTS with catholic names on GOANET (edward)
* GOANET C * O * M * M * U * N * I * T * Y E * V * E * N * T * Xavier Center of Historical Research presents HISTORY HOUR TOPIC: Waste Wise - An Interactive Awareness Presentation on Waste Management in Goa SPEAKER: Clinton Vaz - November 16, 2007 - 5:30pm VISIT: http://tinyurl.com/222757 re: "I say whoever is ruling...power goes into their heads...look how Digamber Kamat is lying...he is not aware of hill cutting he said...I guess congress or BJP, all when in power speak the same language...Ask the organisers of IFFI ---" edward desilva wrote : What is most appalling is that there is no organised body or commission 'to question' the knowledge or lack of it and the actions the ministers take regarding their power as ministers. They very much do whatever they please. Dear Edward, This may not be entirely accurate. It is true that under the principle of the 'separation of powers', the courts are cautious not to interfere with the actions of the 'executive'. However, if the actions of the authorities are illegal, irrational or (Wednesdaybury) unreasonable, the courts may rule against the executive in an action brought under Judicial Review. Please see Delhi Development Authority v M/S UEE Electricals Engg.P.Ltd 2004 (3) SCALE 565 jc
Re: [Goanet] Frederick's response to Selma and RKN's comparisons.
* GOANET C * O * M * M * U * N * I * T * Y E * V * E * N * T * Xavier Center of Historical Research presents HISTORY HOUR TOPIC: Waste Wise - An Interactive Awareness Presentation on Waste Management in Goa SPEAKER: Clinton Vaz - November 16, 2007 - 5:30pm VISIT: http://tinyurl.com/222757 Frederick to Selma: What you're used to in the West would probably not be attained even in our dreams here. Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote thus in response: 1: Fred. Since when have the Westerners become so conscious of hygiene? 2: In the 18th and 19th centuries American farms were malodorous pigsties. 3: But then it's always easy to poke fun at the poor and the defenceless -- as if they are doing it for fun and not because they're being exploited and left to their own devices without even basic amenities. jc's comment: Was Frederick talking about the 18 and 19th century when he wrote to Selma, or was he writing about the present? It is just like saying that nudity in public in the year 2007 is OK because the Nairs expected the 'the poor and the defenceless' "lower caste" women (in kerala) to expose their bosoms to Nair men until the turn of the 20th century? It is also like saying that because the Nairs in Kerala practised Kettukalyanam or Sambandham (mock and casual marriage respectively) until the mid 20th century, it is OK to do it in 2007. How about being time relevant for a change? I agree that the poor are often times left 'to their own devices without even basic amenities' BUT who is exploiting them in a manner which forces them to come to Goa? Rajan Parrikar has made some good points on this matter. Besides, HOW would RKN react if twenty plus of the 'the poor and the defenceless' came into his yard and decided to 'use their own devices'? Unless, RKN believes that Goa is one big toilet. I'd say this to him: Not yet my friend, Not yet. And WHO do Goans thank for this singularly brilliant development of their homeland? jc
Re: [Goanet] Truthful reproduction of fiction does not make it the truth
On 11/11/2007, Vinay Natekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I doubt whether there will be any case against him for serving the bhang in a private party. jc comment: I wonder what the Indian Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances Act, 1985 as amended in December 1988 has to say about the above statement. jc
[Goanet] Observations about a Keri chaa and biscuti at the local gaado
On 14/11/2007, Rajan P. Parrikar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A refueling stop for chaa and biscuti at the local gaado - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/keri-shop.jpg Dear all, I had a close look at NOTICE BOARD on this alleged "chaa and biscuti" gaado Is this Gaado in Goa? My observation: and NOT a word in Konkani ?!!! It says in Marathi - "dar Ravivari dukan bundh rahil" (The shop will be shut on sundays) So ...WHAT is this bit about "Chaa and Biscuti" Would some one point out these two items i.e. Chaa and Biscuti on the "dar patrak" i.e Fare Card? What's up guys are you in the "wool business" - pulling wool over eyes? IF I were visiting this area and saw a shop with ONLY Marathi and NO Konkani notices, I would think that the place is run by some "bhaillo" from Maharashtra. So ...what is the difference between a Maharastrian and a Bhaiyya 'bhaillo'? OK I understands this chap votes in the right direction. jc
Re: [Goanet] Rajan Parrikar's "Don't Worry" advice - Hummmh!
On 14/11/2007, Rajan P. Parrikar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I once again call on the GBA and other like minded organizations to come out against this anti-Goan government and demand its dismissal. Start out by opposing IFFI with a call for a mass morcha on the inaugural day. Whether BJP or Manohar Parrikar benefits from this ought not to be part of GBA's calculation. -- jc's response: What is Rajan Parrikar advising Goans - To leave their work, put themselves at physical risk and protest against IFFI which was dumped on Goa and Goans by the BJP? He further advises Goans NOT to worry if the resultant chaos benefits the same BJP which brought the IFFI to Goa in the first place? Interesting! jc's advice to GBA and Goans - Please look carefully at the nearest chess board. Try identify the little pieces which are placed in front line. If you did not know yet - please allow me to remind you. They are called 'pawns'. They are usually sacrificed i.e used and dumped. jc
[Goanet] Sharon reminds Vinay of BJP's days
Sharon Wilma D Souza wrote the following: The BJP and Manohar Parrikar cannot deny the following:- (1) The BJP came to power in Goa by back stabbing the MGP, and its supporters (2) The BJP lured Dr Willy and then stabbed him at the best given opportunity (3) The BJP lured Sardinha and then stabbed him at the best given opportunity (4) Manohar Parrikar allegedly threatened the media when his dark deeds were exposed (5) Manohar Parrikar allegedly made crores of rupees through IFFI, the Kala Academy is an example (6) The BJP assulted a freedom fighter Shushrut Martins (7) The BJP fabricated cases against Luzinho Faleiro for EDC scams (8) The BJP zealots trespassed into the Bishops palace, and Manohar Parrikar was the CM (9) The BJP tried to remove the public holidays for Good friday and St Xavier's feast (10)The BJP tried to protect Narvenkar in the ticket gate scandal as their staunch suporters were also involved in the scam (11) The BJP defaced public property at Fontainhas (12) The BJP tried to promote marathi (13) The BJP national leaders holidayed in Goa at the cost of innocent tax payers (14) The BJP attacked Casa Portuguesa (15) Digamber Kamat the then BJP no 2, turned Margao into a communial paradise and also promoted Ghantis (16) The BJP forged the signature of Neri (17) Manohar Parrikar also recently tried to dethrone the Congress government after it gained majority (18) The BJP leaders in the north ran drug cartels specially at Paradiso de Goa, through Nandan Kudchadkar (19) The BJP leaders fuelled Goa's first communial riots at Curchorem (20) The BJP circulated a fake CD which tried to show christaos in bad light and promoted RSS and VHP zealots 20a Manohar Parrikar and his gang should go and drown themselves with a lot of sea water from the Mandovi river. == jc's response: re #1-3: I disagree with this interpretation. One cannot blame the BJP if Dr. Willy and Sardinha fell for the BJP con. Besides, as Dr. Willy, Sardinha and in fact Parrikar were told (by the electorate): "he who climbs to the kodel by way of coups...is eventually pushed off courtesy a coup. Just ask Salazar, Franco, Mussolini, Hitler and Zia ul Haq. As far as the MGP is concerned, I'd say that MGP=BJP. re #4,5,10,14 & 15: If there is proof of this, may be Aires Rodrigues will organise a PIL or demand a public inquiry to determine the truth. Perhaps, Dr. Wifred Mesquita will go on a day's fast at whichever maidan. re #6: This is NOT true. What is certainly true is that Dr Shushrut Martins (and Dr. Francisco Colaco) were given a very "kind" warning NOT to Mess with things. re #7: While this may be true or false - I wonder how the sudden increase in personal wealth can be explained. re #8,9, 11 & 13: True from all available evidence. re # 12: Nothing wrong with promoting Marathi. What was and still is wrong was/is trying to suppress the Konkani spoken by Goans. BTW: the BJP/MGP folks are nOT the only ones who suppressed the Konkani that Goans spoke and speak. There are other folks including some Catholic priests and ex-priests who are helping the suppression! re #16 & 17: That certainly appears to be the case. re #18 & 19: I am not so certain about this. IF this is true, then Goa is done for good. re #20: That is the saddest event (IMHO) in post 1961 Goa. It is my personal belief (and somebody please tell me I am wrong ) but the idealogical zealots had decided that the time was right to totally wipe out the Catholic Church from Goa. They had worked hard on masalafied facts as "talking points" i.e. St. Francis Xavier, Inquisition, Forced Conversions, Sonia Gandhi ...a Roman (Rome is the capital of Italy), Roman Catholic Goans, Mother Teresa, Why don't you have your Swadeshi Catholic Church?, They had brought in 'deputationists' from all over and filled up posts which Goans could have easily filled, Many educated Catholics left Goa ...and the Catholic community became identified with Churchills et al i.e. ALL Catholics are like Churchil (unless like Aires, Matanhy and Mesquita they support the BJP). This was accompanied by the Language struggle and the Script battle ...after the Statehood and META troubles (to use an euphemism). Catholics were softened up ..."Now, let's put the coup de grace on them" with this horrible communal VideoCD...one final step towards converting Goa into the Kashi of the West! Mercifully ... one change took place a few kilometers (:-) north of Goa i.e. Sonia Gandhi was able to beat the Advani and Vajpayee crew. That singular event, I submit, took all the 'phunk' from the Goa communalists. No wonder they have a thing for Sonia. re 20a: I would never say that. Tch Tch Tch. Manohar Parrikar is our brother Goan. Sure, he has tried to do the unimaginable to some among us (albeit with a smile). He is still our brother Goan. I suggest that we never wish ill on a brother Goan - whatever his faults and whatever his acts of commission against us. BTW: He is one of the most capable Goans at the
Re: [Goanet] waiting for change - a response to Bhandare's post
re: What exactly can anybody do to stop (say for example) the entire population of Bihar from migrating to Goa? On 13/11/2007, Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Jose: [1] Your arguments seem to be centred around your oft repeated statement that ever since goa became a part of india in 1961 we are powerless to prevent mass migration from other parts of india into Goa. If i may use an anlogy, the US of A too has regions which have economic disparity. no US citizen needs any special permit to migrate into any other state. Does that mean that thousands of poor people from say alabama or arkansas or texas can merely squat on any NYC street? can they merrily shit and pee wherever they feel like ? can they operate businesses with impunity from any sidewalk? [2] Who is stopping CCP in panaji from strictly enforcing laws? general candeth? bhau? tai? nehru? more likely its babush , a niz goenkaar...or maybe even parrikar... we can do the following: [3] refuse to be blinkered in our vision and vote in people who are relatively more honest than the others.. [4] refuse to let outsiders tell us who is communal and who is secular..more often than not these purveyors of falsehoods have their own twisted agenda jc's response: Dear Bhandare, re #1: Interesting that you should bring up the USA which strongly respects the individual property rights i.e. No Mundkar Act. In the US - try staying in an apartment a day after your lease is up, and see what happens In India - try getting a tenant out 10 years after his lease is up. In the US - try putting a tent on someone else's field. In India - try getting him out (especially if he bribes a Sarpanch and gets a certificate that he was there for 1 year) re #2: I do not know the answer to that question. A few years ago, some anarchists went on a rampage in Fontainhas in Panjim. Manohar Parrikar played Pontius Pilate and did nothing. As I believe Manohar Parrikar is an efficient man and even he stayed silent. From that I deduce that nothing can be done. re #3 and #4: Please see answers to #1 and #2 supra good wishes jc Here is an article which I found interesting http://www.colaco.net/1/EthelGangRapeAltinho.htm
Re: [Goanet] VHP goons allegedly beat up 25 priests (Vidyaghar) 2
[ "VHP goons allegedly beat up 25 priests in Maharashtra" ] Vidyadhar Gadgil wrote: 1: I am not aware that this was a reposting, 2: The article doesn't say there were 25 priests; it mentions only one priest, Fr. Victor Pareira. 3: Well, I post articles etc. that interest me and that I feel may be of interest to other goanetters (note that the article above is from CNN/IBN, not written by me). 4: Any view is necessarily 'biased' 5: ''objectivity' is a myth, 6: I am sure jc is not himself claiming to be 'objective' and 'unbiased'. 7: Question everything -- Karl Marx jc's comment: re 1: A posting of an article which has already been posted elsewhere (in this case by IBN) is a reposting. re 2: You prove my point. There was ONLY one priest mentioned in the article. But do look at the sensationalistic headline you circulated. re 3: and so do Rajan and Bhandare re 4: I disagree that ANY view is necessarily biased. re 5: I disagree re 6: I am - you are invited to prove where I am NOT objective, and on what basis you say so re 7: What is the point of Marx and Marxists admonishing us to "Question everything" when the Marxists never provided answers? The Commies have a reputation of being intolerant of others questioning them. just my view jc
Re: [Goanet] VHP goons allegedly beat up 25 priests (Vidyaghar)
On 12/11/2007, Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted the following: VHP goons allegedly beat up 25 priests in Maharashtra Kanhaiya Singh / CNN-IBN Mumbai: With broken ribs and a fractured leg, Father Victor Pareira is just one of the 25 victims, who were brutally beaten up allegedly by members of Vanvasi Kalyan Parishad, an oraganisation affiliated to the VHP. The injured priest had to travel over 30 kilometers to meet the Director General of Police to demand justice as the local police station failed to act on his complaint. ... a charge the VHP leaders deny "It was done by the village sarpanch (head) and the people. VHP has nothing to do with it," VHP Secretary Arun Handa said. jc's comment: I fail to fathom Vidyaghar's primary purpose of reposting the above quoted item - that too, without even bothering to analyse the story. I do not believe that there were 25 priests in one village in Maharashtra at one time - unless they were there for a convention. Without prejudice, I ask ... Why were these 25 individuals there? Were they trespassing on anybody's land? What were the antecedants to this incident? This is NOT to say that the VHP is known for their peace or for accepting responsibility for the actions of those who are affiliated to it. It is absolutely wrong for anyone to take law into his/her own hands. It is equally daft for someone to show up at a strange place and not expect trouble. IMHO many of Vidyaghar's postings on GoaNet are as unreasonably and unnecessarily biased as Bhandare and Rajan's. jc Vidyaghar: Question everything -- Karl Marx JC: and yet, the Marxists are NOT very well known for providing true answers - IF at all!
Re: [Goanet] Waiting for change in Goa
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: One fellow writes pompously that things don't remain static, that we have to accept change. This is a hackneyed truism. Mervyn Lobo responded thus to Rajan: 1: You are clearly afraid to debate anyone of Goanet. In fact, you are scared enough not to mention the person you are referring to. Given this condition of yours, I wonder how on earth you are going to challenge those that you disagree with. 2: The Indian Govt is also paying for the maintenance of historical buildings in Goa. The situation in Goa today is the way it is because of the GOAN politicians GOANS have elected. == jc's response My dear Mervyn, I doubt that Rajan is afraid of debating anyone ON GoaNet. My view is that he does not care to do so. Individuals who know that they alone are right, do not need to debate. They make pronouncements. After that it is "My Way or Highway". Having said that, let me hasten to say this ...I believe that Rajan Parrikar is quite right in many of his statements. It's his solutions that (I believe) are out of whack. Rajan Parrikar has written that the Chougulos (oops Chowgules) are involved in the Paithona environmental destruction. Are these the same Chowgules to whom Ashok Chowgule belongs? Yes ...Ashok Chowgule who heads the Mumbai chapter of the VHP (cousin of BJP) and ex-prominent Goanetter who spouted the same "talking points" one sometimes reads from Rajan and Bhandare? And what, if I may ask, will happen to this project IF the BJP take over in Goa? It appears that Rajan's heart is in the right place, but not his head - unless the primary or collateral intent is to encourage the Goan populace to "bring down THIS government" so that a BJP led coalition can take over in Goa! Be cautious Goans for what you wish your wishes may actually be fulfilled. Please engage your brains before you carry yourselves (as mesmerized pawns to do the bidding for others) on to the roads. Mervyn, I also suggest that you may be ONLY partially correct about # 2 (above) Please advise us wrt following: Accepting that some politicians are using these slums et al as voting banks, What exactly can anybody do to stop (say for example) the entire population of Bihar from migrating to Goa? I invite you to visit the city centre in Margao and Dharavi 2 in Zuari nagar. Ask yourself - How did this debacle happen? Is there any method of preventing it from wosening? I submit that it is impossible for Goan to be legally able to withstand the inevitable. just my view jc BTW: re "Waiting for change in Goa" .Change of what? ...Government? !! Hummmh!!
Re: [Goanet] Goa 2007 and the views of Rajan and Selma
Rajan Parrikar: 1: We have turned the better things in our colonial legacy to sh*t. 2: I grew up in the epsilon-neighborhood of Miramar. I don't go there anymore because it is painful to see what has become of it now. I would rather retain the old memories. 3: Goa ... was the last pocket of the civilized life left in India. Selma Carvalho: 4: The man publicly defecating. I was revolted. I feel like I'm going to throw up. 5: suddenly I understand Rajan's anger, which I've been calling xenophobia for sometime now. 6: This is the indignity that Goans now have to live with 7: while we tell ourselves that everyone and anyone can make Goa their home because afterall in 1961, we became part of India. -- Dear Selma and Rajan, What you have written is absolutely true. It is what yours truly has been writing on GoaNet for over 12 years. He was summarily dismissed as one who was a mere nostalgic Lusophile. I suggest however that it is too late to turn anything around. All the horses have left the stable and become part of Steak Tartar. For political purposes, Goans were divided into religious groups. The MG party (now BJP and Congress) played a lead role in this divisive process. Next came the move by the MGP to try merge Goa into Maharashtra. The MGP brought in 'deputationists' to fill posts which Goans could have easily filled. The Congress Party (in Delhi) kept Union Territory till the United Goans Party dismantled and became the Congress Party. When the Congress Party (read United Goans Party) became the governing party, the MG chaps (like Rane, Mesquita, Narvenkar) jumped ship and became 'loyal Congressmen' and took control of the party. When it was politically convenient, they supported (albeit from ouside) the Parrikar BJP govt. We even had Wilfred Mesquita (an MG from as long as I can remember - and then a convenient Congressman), being nominated as a BJP candidate for elections - with the mistaken belief (on the part of the BJP) that Catholics will vote for Mesquita merely because he was a Catholic. While all this foolishness was going on (i.e. while Goans were kept busy with the language struggle and the divisive script battle) non-Goans came and did as they pleased. To them this was a Vacuum that could be filled without resistance. And it was. The 'coup the grace' was the factually flawed and heavily communal Parrikar VideoCD. (I am sorry Remo but you are wrong when you stated on TV that the facts in the VideoCD were accurate.) Ask yourself this very simple question - WHAT exactly was the purpose of the VideoCD? I submit that the BJP in Delhi and in Goa thought that the time was right to fully destabilize Goan Catholics in Goa and finally uproot Catholicism from Goa and. "make Goa the Kashi of the West"! And now ...with relationships among Goans seriously fractured in multiple sites, we are wondering what happened? Learn to accept this: Goa was divided and it fell. It is now on the auction block. To the highest bidder. There is nothing Goans will be able to do about it besides rant and rave on cyberlists. Pointless now blaming: * the alleged and real Freedom Fighters for NOT planning for a proper take over of governance after the Portuguese exit in 1961 * the MG Party for allowing a neighbouring state to have such a strong say in Goa * the party aka the Congress Party for participating in this confusao * the BJP for trying their best to attack Goan Catholicism while pretending to be the friend of Goa Catholics. * the Newspapers (owned by vested interests) for telling Goans that "all was brilliant". * the Goan populace for falling from this swing Instead, I suggest that Goans must educate themselves, work hard and earn a decent living ...anywhere they are able to. just my view jc
Re: [Goanet] "Goa - Only for Non-Goans"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Taking the debate further, can we blame the mundkar laws in Goa for Goans not wanting to rent out to fellow Goans? On 10/11/2007, Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For once I agree with FN :-), as I have already mentioned in my post on this topic. If we are continually creating inequality in our society by the absurdity of our laws and actions, then we cannot suddenly expect an equal and just society. How many times have flats been rented, never to be seen again. Even the so-called 11 month contract is hardly enforceable in the state of lawlessness that currently abounds. == jc's response I remember the story which my friend Gajanan Sardessai (ex AIR) told me. He had allowed a chap from Kerala to stay in one room of his house for a few months so that he could settle in Goa and find his own place. That was some years ago. Wonder if Sunanda ever managed to get the chap out. I submit that this has nothing to do with the mundkar act. In the Mundkar Act (thank you Tai ...Thank you for nothing) land titles were taken away from owners and handed over (a la Zimbabwe and Cuba) to those who worked on the land BUT only after the MINES were excluded from this provision. Interesting stuff from the MGP (now BJP/Congress) And we are wondering why all this is happening now? Here are some questions to think about: 1: WHO owns the title to Dabolim Airport? 2: Who owns the title to the former Goa Medical College Hospital in Panjim 3: Who owns the title to the Old Goa churches and Mangeshi/Shantadurga temples? 4: Are the persons making decisions on the above properties - holders of the title? 5: Why was the Communidade system dismantled by Gen Candeth? I'd say this: Once we twist the laws to suit our political convenience - we should not be too upset at the chaos which follows. Chaps in certain 'western' places are finding that out ...and acting surprised! just my view jc http://www.colaco.net/1/GoaRentingOutNightmare.htm
Re: [Goanet] J Colacos suggestions in response to Bhandare's (to RKN)
in response to this from me: re 1: We may wish to ask ourselves: The outsiders never fished like this before 1961. Why are they able to fish now? What besides the departure of the Portuguese happened after 1961?. On 06/11/2007, Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ha, ha, ha! The Portuguese were insiders and the non-Goan Indians are outsiders! Great logic!! === jc's response to RKN I understand that we are in the sound byte and attention deficit era. However, I suggest that we read carefully and refer to context before we let go of our proverbial Ha ha ha! one liners. I believe that Bhandare is making very valid points i.e. that "outsiders" are "fishing" in Goa. I happen to disagree that as of Dec 1961 there are (by law) any Indian outsiders in Goa. Sure, there are understandable concerns as expressed by Bhandare and Rajan Parrikar that Goa's uniqueness is being chaotically dismantled by these alleged outsiders but that is neither here nor there. As fellow Indians these alleged outsiders have the right to dismantle what is theirs. That should explain why Kashmir negotiated Art 370 - something Goans did not have the opportunity to do. In fact, by decree, the Military Administrator of Goa i.e. Lt Gen Candeth effectively dismantled the Goan communidades. The confusion wrt transfer land titles went further with the 'Tai' Mundkar Act after the MINES were excluded from this process, of course. Goans who set by silently and supported the MGP during the latter event may wish to consider whether they have not been part of the problem with land swiping that has taken place over the past 40 years. I submit that once Govt (or individual) messes with Registered Land Titles, there can be nothing but chaos. Please vide Cuba or Zimbabwe. (perhaps RKN will tell us what, if anything, the Commies did in Kerala with Registered Land Titles) And yes, by international law (accepted by India by virtue of opening a diplomatic mission in Goa), Indians were in fact outsiders in Goa pre-December 1961 (at least pre1955). So were the Chinese in Tibet, the Iraqis in Kuwait and so are the Indonesians in East Timor etc etc just my view jc
Re: [Goanet] J Colacos suggestions and Bhandare's response
On 04/11/2007, Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1: For once I have to agree with Jose wrt to the paraphrasing of the tele talk regarding advice to Parrikar by a goan academic. We goans need to solve our problems and not let outsiders fish in troubled waters.. 2: I am glad that dr colaco has accepted that parrikar is the best person to lead goa as of now 3: i am sure parrikar himself accepts that the vcd fiasco the responsibility to make amends is his... 4: i have always maintained that the solutions to goa's problems must come from goans,both in goa as well in the diaspora...we do need haskars and puniyanis to teach us what secularism is...after all hindus and christaons have lived together for hundreds of years.. 5: the christians should also accept that all BJP is not bad...true, there are a few hard core elements but once more and more mainstream goans of all castes and communities start supporting BJP then the influence of these elements would decrease... 6: people like mathany saldhana and aires rodrigues are not immature people they have been in the thick and thin of politics and if they can support the BJP why cant others do it too? jc's response to Bhandare, First of all, please allow me to thank Bhandare for a gracious response. He has made some excellent points. Let me see if this dialogue can move a step further. My responses to each of the above Bhandare points follow. re 1: We may wish to ask ourselves: The outsiders never fished like this before 1961. Why are they able to fish now? What besides the departure of the Portuguese happened after 1961? Please see http://www.colaco.net/1/letdown.htm re 2: I did include the word "perhaps" for a reason. It cannot be the same Parrikar we have seen in action thus far with : the multiple coups and deals to gain control of power, the curious muzzling of the press, the Francisco Colaco and Floriano Lobo episodes, the VCD for sure, the expenditure on the flurry of BJP bigwigs who used Goa as their holiday spots (who paid for these junkets?) etc. If we learn from history, we will learn that many efficient leaders are also unfortunately very intolerant of opposing views and dictatorial in their actions e.g. Salazar re 3: It remains to be seen IF and when Parrikar will make real amends for the disgraceful VideoCD affront to the sensibilities of Goan Catholics. re 4 & 5: Please see footnote re 6: Are you serious? ! You expect Goan Catholics to take the lead in this matter from Aires and Matanhy? jc footnote: an excerpt from http://www.colaco.net/1/TGFCommunalRiots.htm "The word on the street is that "Goans are divided 'bhojjes' who keep on re-electing corrupt politicians on the basis of a little election time chicken biryani with beer, and a truckload of 'pokke' promises". Goa is in for the taking. All one has to do is "pay off the politicians and stroke a few communal flames". "The Hindus will take care of the Catholics - all they have to do is say a few anti-Portuguese things (can be made up and even carried in the Press. The media chaps will spread these bogus stories all over the place), bring up the Inquisition (not Sati) and write a few glorious stories about Freedom Fighters (doesn't matter if the chaps were no better than goons caught in the act by Goan Police in Portuguese uniform)." "After the Goan Catholics are done in by the Goan Hindus, we only have the Goan Hindus to outmuscle. Goan Muslims are few and far between anyway."
Re: [Goanet] Info. required..URGENT PLEASE
Dear Mrs. Fernandes Please contact Mr. Cecil Pinto. His email address is attached in cc I have utilised his services several times - I can only recommend him very highly good wishes jc On 05/11/2007, W.F. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anyone advise how to send flowers and sweets from Dubai to > Goaespecially for Diwali and Christmas or by online > > Jenny Flowers is a bit expensive..I think so... > > Thanks, > > Mrs. Fernandes > Dubai > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > >
Re: [Goanet] Why did Willy Lose ?
Carmo DCruz wrote to ? Manohar Parrikar thus: Hi Manohar, I am wondering why Wilfred Mesquitta lost the Election. ... considering that my mom's Seeda Sada "Holier Than Thou" cousin Dr Jose Colaco in the Bahamas considers him a good friend. jc's response: Please allow me to say upfront that Dr. Wilfred Misquitta is my friend - He was my friend even though he was a major MGP supporter (i.e. wanted Goa's merger with Maharashtra), and he will always be my friend because he and his family are good people. As to why he lost: Let me guess He (i.e. the BJP) received significantly less votes than the other side. Now ...this other bit is getting curiouser by the year ... Last year, I was supposed to be Xri Carmo's cousin This year, I am Carmo's mother's cousin Please let me accept now that I am henceforth Carmo's grandfather's cousin or uncle or whatever.! There you are that is progress. jc
Re: [Goanet] Kudos to Floriano - a response to Vidyadhar
On 03/11/2007, Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [I have never cast doubt on Rajan Parrikar's abilities and skills nor his commitment to improve Goa, in fact, I have appreciated both in the past. What I have questioned are his politics, and the chauvinistic and communal ideas he spouts, which can only lead to disaster. The distinction between the two ... I have seen the photos at http://www.parrikar.org/images/deathofgoa/index.html as well as the various photos to which he has posted links from time to time, and been quite impressed. If only he were to abandon his communal and chauvinistic posturing...] jc's comment: Vidyadhar has taken the 'words out of my mouth'. I agree with the above absolutely. In fact - there is some degree of commonality (and perhaps communality) among the two Parrikars i.e. Rajan and his namesake in politics i.e. Manohar; and that is a shame for both appear to be such excellent, capable, qualified and determined individuals. I'd say this from my perspective (from afar) 1. At the moment, there appears to be NO better politician to lead Goa out of the present chaos than Manohar Parrikar. Unfortunately he is burdened by the crosses (!) and possible prejudices he carries courtesy some real and some selectively spun ghosts from the near and distant past. 2. He is also in the real dilemma of being the master who is also the servant of other masters from afar. How could Manohar Parrikar effectively turn this around? Here are some suggestions: a: Accept the the responsibility and blame (inter alia) for the communal VideoCD and the muzzling of the press and political opponents.(eg The Dr. Francisco Colaco and Floriano Lobo incidents) and promise NO repeat. b: Find 23 untainted good, hardworking, honest and self sufficient men and women and form a Goan party of Hindus, Catholics, Muslims and non-believers. c: Permanently cut the umbilical cord from the source which is jaundiced with communalism. d: Wipe the mental slate clear of all communal cobwebs. The 1 rupee question is not whether Mr. Manohar Parrikar can do it but whether he is willing to do it. If he were - then, I submit that Rajan Parrikar's "death of Goa" can be prevented. just my view jc ps: The Parrikars may wish to remember the advice given to the political Parrikar by a Goan academic from Texas i.e. All of us Goan Hindus, Goan Catholics and Goan Muslims are Goans. IF we do not put aside our religious differences and look after each other, Goa and Goans will be over-run by non-Goans. Barring exceptions, these non-Goans will NOT have the same love for Goa as Goans. In a short while, we will have no Goa as we knew it" [paraphrased from a tel conversation (2004) ]
[Goanet] In support of Dr Wilfred Mesquita's call for a hunger strike ton Nov 4
Mesquita to go on hunger strike tomorrow MARGAO, Nov 2: BJP candidate Dr Wilfred Mesquita has informed that he would go on a day's hunger strike at the Lohia Maidan on November 4 to atone for the sins of the enemies of Mother Goa, who have supported the Special Economic Zone. He asked all the people to join the movement to save Goa. [H] jc's response: I second the call by Dr Wilfred Mesquita to go on a day's hunger strike to 'atone for the sins of the enemies of Mother Goa' i.e. 1. Those who have supported/support the Special Economic Zone 2. Those who wanted/want to merge Goa with another State 3. Those who worked/work against the Konkani spoken and written by Goans 4. Those who consistently disrupt governance in Goa by bringing down Governments 5. Those in power who do not pay their bills (be it at restaurants et al services) 6. Those who migrate from one political platform to another as a matter of 'principle' and 'interest'. 7. Those who bribe and then complain of corruption. BTW: Please Eat before you start the day's fast. No food will be allowed until "Night becomes". 'Liquid Refreshments' will be served all day long. Stocks (left over from campaign) limited. Please come early. PN: ONLY those who do NOT have to WORK on Monday November 5, 2007 - need attend. sincerely jc PS: I had a feeling that my good friend Dr Wilfred Mesquita would probably lose this election. My other good friend Aires Rodrigues has made it an art (and probably science) of picking the losing candidate to support.
Re: [Goanet] On learning from the Swiss
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: There is a thing or two we Goans ought to learn from the Swiss. Both the places are major tourist destinations but the Swiss just do it much, much better. The Swiss have an admirable policy, albeit unwritten and unsaid, towards the visitors: "We want your money but we don't want you (to stay on). Spend your tourist dollars/francs here, but go home, the sooner the better." ... The policy for the Indian tourist should be different, to wit: don't come, stay back and foul up your own home -- Frederick [FN] Noronha responded: What we also need to obviously learn is (i) how to keep their country very clean, while sending their Ciba Geigys to be built on Church land and (ii) how to live affluently after harnessing the wealth of dictators from the Third World in a very spiritual manner. jc's response: FN's response - while being accurate - addresses a point quite different from the point Rajan is making. >From his writings, it is quite clear that Rajan is (justifiably) disgusted with the filth which has overcome his motherland. (Ours too). Rajan makes some very valid points. I submit however that Goa will not be able to utilise the "Swiss" model. The Swiss policy, which Rajan refers too, relates to foreign tourists. There is no legal manner in which that policy can be applied to Indian tourists in Goa. As far as I am concerned, as of Dec 19, 1961 - Goa is their home too! Should existing laws wrt cleanliness etc be applied and enforced? Sure. Should further legislation be enacted if necessary? Sure. But how many non-corrupt persons do we have to enforce those laws. Besides - the door to the pollution of Goa was opened in the 1960s by the Bandodkar Govt. That Govt brought in a seriously polluting Agro-Chemical plant and allowed an accompanying "slum" which BTW has a good chance of taking over Vasco. (Have you heard about the "truck method" of grabbing land ? Ask and I will provide you with the details) Then - there was META. I suspect that the clock can never turn back now. One may delay the inevitable - cannot see how Goans can do any different than try apply some band-aids to this problem which some of us have been complaining about in Goan cyberspace for at least 13 years! just my view jc THE BIG LET DOWN: http://www.colaco.net/1/letdown.htm META: http://www.colaco.net/1/META.htm
Re: [Goanet] Hague Apostille & CRC: jc responds to Swastik
On 23/10/2007, Swastik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: Dear Jose, The main questions to be answered are: 1) Why is the CRC not prepared to give in writing they will not accept documents bearing Hague apostille from India? 2) What legal action can a common person take if the CRC is not willing to give anything in writing? == jc's answers: re Q1: Please refer that question to the CRC. re Q2: A good way of finding an answer to that question is to test the waters. Do let us know when you find a court which will admit your legal action. good wishes jc http://www.colaco.net/1/DeadMenFlying.htm
Re: [Goanet] Re Legal Guidance Required
TRI Continental Film Festival - Dona Paula, Goa, Sep 28 - Oct 2, 2007 http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricontinental/tricon.htm For public viewing. Registration at The International Centre Goa. (Ph: +91-832-2452805 to 10) Online Media Partner: http://www.GOANET.org In summary, from my understanding of the matter 1. If the matter refers to generalised harassment at the time visitor visas, one's own government might be able to apply some pressure. Visit visas are reciprocal arrangements. Immigrant visas are not subject to such reciprocal arrangements. A foreign consulate or embassy may refuse to consider applications or even grant interviews subject to a number of issues which they are not obligated to share with a foreign national or a foreign government. 2. As far as complaining to any 'supreme authority in that country', it depends if any statutes of that country have been violated. The exact wording and the interpretation of the relevant statute is very important. If none has been violated, there is nothing any court (which is the supreme authority to adjudicate in such matters) can or will do anything about it. In European (and most common law jurisdictions) there is something called the separation of powers. The judiciary will not interfere with the executive or legislature for that matter. Hope this helps. I am afraid that I cannot comment further in a vacuum. If you put forth a near-actual scenario without the names of course - and detail what attempts have been made to contact which consulate on what matter - and the basis of the application, some among us might be able to comment and possibly advise. sincerely jc On 01/10/2007, Swastik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Jose, My query pertains to complaining an embassy/consulate of another country and complainant being a citizen of india. As you have mentioned that " A foreign govt's representative has no obligation to respond to you or to meet with you." In such a case where is a not a citizen of that country then what has to be done? In such cases is there no way one can take up matters or complain to supreme authority of that country. Need to know the process as I do feel that there must be some way out and adequate steps for resolution of such matters. Shashikant.
Re: [Goanet] Re Legal Guidance Required
TRI Continental Film Festival - Dona Paula, Goa, Sep 28 - Oct 2, 2007 http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricontinental/tricon.htm For public viewing. Registration at The International Centre Goa. (Ph: +91-832-2452805 to 10) Online Media Partner: http://www.GOANET.org The question does need at least one specific bit of information: Is one intending to sue/complain about one's OWN country's consulate/embassy or that of another. If the problem is with one's own consulate/embassy while one is in a foreign land - one can complain to one's own govt. A foreign govt's representative has no obligation to respond to you or to meet with you. (i.e. one cannot complain about the Portuguese Consulate in Goa for not responding to whatever - if one is not a registered Portuguese citizen) The Govt can summon the representative of another country to a meeting IF there was an international incident warranting such a meeting That is the sum total of my understanding sincerely jc On 01/10/2007, Swastik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hello, There is no defnite problem, we just want to know that are there any statuatory bodies in india or in the country whose embassy, consulate is being represented. Under what rules and regulations are embassies and consulate governed and control. The main focus is on the aspect that if a common person is unsatisfied with the maltreatment and disagreed with the attitude and practices prevailing in the consulate/embassy and wants to object the same and seek redressal of his grievences in a legal way. Secondly, if any personel of embassy/consulate is not willing to ACKNOWLEDGE the letters given to them and is UNWILLING to reply anything in writing, then what has to be done. Acknowledgement and giving reply in writing does establish sufficient evidence; which can be used and is vital for intiating legal action if it is injustified quoted unjustified. How can one approach to consulate general or an Ambassador despite being not allowed to meet him. As we all know that in india one can take matters to court and sue a person or an organisation, send legal notices etc. Similarly is there any appropriate mechanary through which one can atleast file a complaint. That's it Shashikant.
