Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Bohemian Rhapsody ... via Salcete

[Chris de Souza]

Dear Mr Noronha,
I enclose details on the first book on the Pandemic. It is published in the
USA. I have helped coauthor this extremely valuable book. The other editors
and authors are very well renowned in their fields in the USA. I Am the
only person (*and a goan*) outside the USA to be an editor and author in
this book
I would greatly appreciate it if you could include it as a news item in
your very interesting newsletter Goanet.
I look forward to seeing it feature in Goanet.
regards
Dr Christopher de Souza   DORL,  MS,  DNB,  FACS(USA),  FRCS (England)

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On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 12:28 AM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maria Sancha Pereira: Bohemian Rhapsody. Use headphones for a complete
> audio effect.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/10116337161/posts/5097070450306782/?sfnsn=wiwspwa
> Rosary College choir led by Maria Sancha Pereira (asst. professor)
> Via the BiG (Bands in Goa) group
> --
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>

Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] How Goa is getting colonised, one mega-project at a time (Menezes, Almeida, Fernandes, Kanekar in DNA)

[Chris Vaz]

It is good to know that there are intelligent, educated and knowledgeable
Goans who are keeping an eye on the neo-colonization predation of Goa for
the benefit of corporate octopusies...

Please continue your good work to shine the light of truth...  Goans like
me should be eternally grateful that you take the time to investigate and
report on these atrocities

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Goanet Reader goanetrea...@gmail.com
wrote:

 How Goa is getting colonised, one mega-project at a time

 Sunday, 31 May 2015 - 3:15pm IST | Agency: dna webdesk

 Dale Luis Menezes
 Albertina Almeida
 Jason Keith Fernandes
 Amita Kanekar

 A narrowly framed conception of
 'development' is being used by
 the Goan government in
 collusion with corporates to
 push the people of Goa off
 their land.

 dna Research  Archives

 Goa is constantly framed as the holiday capital of India.
 However, there is a good amount of violence that underwrites
 this project of providing fun.  The recent incidents in
 Tiracol, a village in the northern-most tip of the state,
 highlight this clearly.

   Sometime around the midnight of 14 May, residents
   of the village were awakened by the arrival of men
   and machinery hired by M/s Leading Hotels Pvt.
   Ltd., a five-star hotel company, who went on to
   bulldoze a large part of the orchard lands of the
   village as part of their plan to build a PGA
   standard golf course and resort.  The villagers
   have been strongly opposing this project for the
   last several years, with the result that the
   project has now been virtually stayed by the
   courts.  Leading Hotels’ response to this legal and
   popular opposition was to sneak their men and
   machinery in at the dead of night, protected by
   50-odd bouncers.

 Work was halted only when the vigilant villagers alerted the
 police. However, when local reporters reached the scene, the
 bouncers were still there. Diana Fernandes, a journalist
 writing for O Heraldo (16 May, 2015), reported that the area
 was still swarming with 20-odd musclemen the next day.

 This instance of violent land grab is not confined to the
 village of Tiracol. In fact, as a result of the boom in
 mining, real estate and tourism industries in Goa, it has
 become a trend over the last couple of decades.

 In most cases, the chief victims are agricultural tenants who
 tilled the land belonging to landlords, and mundkars living
 on this land, with various obligations towards its upkeep.

   The problem of land-grab in Goa needs to be
   understood through the existing feudal land
   relations in Goa -- the relation between the
   mundkars and agricultural tenants (henceforth
   tenants), and the bhatkar (landlord) -- have been
   supplemented by the feudal-like powers of global
   capital that work in alliance with the feudal
   lords.  Additionally, we also suggest that the
   existing sorry state of affairs that Goa finds
   itself in, due to excesses of 'development' in the
   real estate market and other industries that gobble
   huge chunks of land, can only be correctly
   understood and effectively addressed, if one
   approaches the issue from the perspective of the
   tenants and their experiences.

 In Goa, land was traditionally appropriated and tightly
 controlled by the bhatkars. In addition to being a class,
 these bhatkars were also upper-caste. The caste equation is
 important as the bhatkars could be of any religious
 background, but were invariably from the upper-castes.

 Relief to the mundkars and tenants came in the form of the
 Goa Agricultural Tenancy Act, 1964 and the Goa Mundkar Act,
 1975, but this relief was eventually thwarted by a new and
 developing economic system that no longer made it
 economically viable to cultivate land and made it seem more
 alluring to sell land to the highest bidder and share the
 spoils, albeit disproportionately between the bhatkar and the
 tenants.

   But Tiracol was different. The bhatkarial rights
   were held by the Khalap family, said to be a branch
   of the Deshprabhu family who still are the bhatkars
   of most of Pernem taluka.  The bhatkar here was an
   absentee one who had long broken contact with the
   village, to the extent of not collecting either
   mundkarial services or tenant revenues.  This,
   coupled with the relative homogeneity of the tenant
   population -- a small village of about 50 Catholic
   households living off cashew orchards, fishing and
   the production of urrack and feni, along with some
   rice farming and coconut plantations -- made the
   village a relatively egalitarian and developing
   space where caste hierarchy 

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 8, Issue 793

[Chris Fernandes]

Im afraid I hv not been received yr digest for quite sometime now and hence pls 
arrange to activate the same and oblige.

Thanx
Chris Fernandes

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 8, Issue 898

[Chris Fernandes]

Pls arrange to activate Goanet Digest as the same has been deactivated. 
nbsp;Thanx

Chris Fernandes

[Goanet] Justice to Ravina - Verna?

[Chris Fernandes]

One of my friend's daughter in Mumbai would like to know whether any justice is 
given to Ravina case in Verna. nbsp;Perhaps u can throw some light on this. 
nbsp;Thanx
Chris FernandesMandrem

[Goanet] Get involved

[Chris Fernandes]

The Editornbsp;nbsp;The Konkani teatr (play) 
entitlednbsp;“PUBLIC”nbsp;nbsp;directed by Comedian Augustine, giving a 
strong social message,nbsp;nbsp;evoked a good response not only 
fromnbsp;nbsp;Mandrem residents but also from Anjuncars which was shown on 24 
April in their respective villages.nbsp;nbsp;PUBLIC portrayed both the 
lackadaisical attitude of administration, politicians and the lethargy shown by 
the aam admi when it comes to confront the government machinery even to 
obtainnbsp;nbsp;a simple resident certificate from the Panchayat, which 
ofcourse is everybody’s right. Without greasing palms (packet/envelope), no 
work is done.nbsp;nbsp;However, Augustine has conveyed a strong social 
message in his vociferous and vehement avatar that if the aam admi has his/her 
way, many things can be achieved without greasing palms 
too.nbsp;nbsp;Initially, he indicatednbsp;nbsp;how Goans are endeavouring 
to migrate using Portuguese passport route rather than 
 tackle our own domestic problems.nbsp;nbsp;This migration vacuum encourages 
‘migration’ from neighbouring states and then we blame them for all the woes 
and sorrows that accompany them.nbsp;nbsp;Apparently, he has drawn 
inspiration from Swami Vivekanand and Anna Hazare to showcase this aggressive 
social activism and to encourage the public at large “to get involved” before 
it is too late.nbsp;nbsp;I guess one can draw its own conclusion after 
watching this play.nbsp;nbsp;Moreover, Anna Hazare who was a driver in the 
army has become a driving force and a beacon of light to all of us to imitate 
him and achieve what he started, thus benefitting the Society at 
large.nbsp;nbsp;Swami Ramdev’s initiative, Bharat Swabhiman has also started 
a similar initiative by mobilising aam admi all over India, including Goa to 
contain corruption, bring back the black money stored in Swiss and other 
parking havens, etc etcnbsp;nbsp;Finally, Augustine took a commitment from 
 all Mandrem viewers to get involved in social activism in an endeavour to help 
our own neighbours in the hour of need and simultaneously to stem the rot in 
the Panchayat, police and the politicians.nbsp;nbsp;Are there any takers 
amongst the readers?nbsp;Chris FernandesH. No. 123, Modlo MazMandrem 403527, 
Pernem DistrNorth Goa(Cell:nbsp;nbsp;9923897270) 

[Goanet] Tourism season gone awry????

[Chris Fernandes]

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 With Foreword by Gen SF Rodrigues, PVSM, VSM, ADC (retd)
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Dear Sirs
All I want for thisnbsp;New Yearnbsp;is
I, amongst the aam admi, need my daily bread (roji) regularly during this 
tourist season which is obviously missing or conveniently forgotten by virtue 
of Government’s new tourism policies.nbsp; Whilst the Goa Tourism Minister and 
his entourage are overseas fishing for new opportunities (read tourists), it is 
disheartening to observe a very lean tourist season this year upto the time of 
writing, which is conspicuous from the absence of overseas tourists which till 
last year were there in large numbers.nbsp; nbsp;This Govt. Policy of 
allegedly showing discrimination with tourists of various nationalities wherein 
some nations are favoured with 6 months tourist visa whilst the USSR visitors 
amp; others (who wish to stay for 5 months and more) are given only 2 months 
visanbsp; or less to a minimum of 21 days, thus not only affecting the 5-star 
hotels and restaurants but also small hoteliers, restaurants, shacks, vegetable 
vendors, fish vendors, kirana shops, bakers, taxis,
  construction business, etc. etc.. trickling down to aam admi.nbsp; Needless 
to say, this domino effect has affected other allied businesses as well.nbsp; 
I may be wrong in coming down hard on the powers that be but is there any 
solution to this dismal scenario?nbsp; Yes, very much if some sense can 
prevail in the Tourism Ministry which need to intervene on a war footing and 
help the aam admi smile once again.
Chris Fernandes
Affected admiH.NO. 123, Modlo Maz, Mandrem, N Goa (9923897270) 
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[Goanet] Fish workers oppose draft CRZ notification

[Chris Fernandes]

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 Sponsor Noel as he climbs Mt. Kilimanjaro (5,882m or 19,298 ft)

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http://www.thehindu.com/2010/09/18/stories/2010091863840300.htm
Special Correspondent

Say it does not protect fishing communities or environment

Thiruvananthapuram: The National Fishworkers Forum (NFF) and the
Kerala Swathanthra Matsya Thozhilali Federation (KSMTF) have come out
against the draft CRZ Notification 2010 put up on the web site of the
Ministry of Environment and Forests.
A press note quoting Matanhy Saldanha, chairperson, NFF, and T. Peter,
president, KSMTF, said there were only cosmetic differences between
the pre-draft and the draft notification. =93It appears that either the
Minister for Environment and Forests is trying to hoodwink the people
or the bureaucrats in that department are misleading the Minister and
the public while acting as puppets of the various lobbies and vested
interests.=94
The note said the amount spent on organising 10 consultations across
the country to understand the views and opinions of the coastal
communities had gone waste as none of the recommendations were
reflected in the notification.
Mr. Peter said fishing communities and other traditional occupants of
the coastline had strongly demanded provisions to protect their right
to live along the coastline that they had been occupying for centuries
and their right to livelihood from what the coastal environment
provided. =93Sadly, these demands have been ignored. The notification
neither protects the fishing communities nor the coastal environment.
Activities that do not need to be within 500 metres from the sea such
as atomic plants, greenfield airports, industries, special economic
zones and large housing projects have been permitted without any clear
rationale. There is also no attempt to take account of the cumulative
impacts of thermal power plants and ports along the coast.=94
The note said there was no case for the special status sought to be
given to Kerala, Goa and Mumbai. =93Given that the situation along
India's vast coastline and its biodiversity differs so vastly, this
only opens up the possibility of each State asking for, and being
given, a special status. This will only serve to dilute the CRZ
notification and open up the coast to builders, the tourist lobby,
land sharks and the industry, while offering no protection to the
environment and the traditional inhabitants of the coast.=94
It said the NFF would do everything in its power to ensure that the
draft notification in its current form was withdrawn. The KSMTF is
organising an open discussion on the notification at the Press Club
here on Monday.

http://www.keralafishworkers.in
http://www.alakal.net

Re: [Goanet] US Capt rescued

[Chris Vaz]

According to The New York Times, Aug. 21, 2007, this is what then senator
Barack Hussain Obama said:

.that even if the military escalation in Iraq was showing limited signs
of progress, efforts to stabilize the country had been a 'complete failure.'

BHO campaigning in Clinton, IA, Sept. 12, 2007 said --

Let me be clear.  THERE IS NO MILITARY SOLUTION IN IRAQ AND THERE NEVER
WAS (emphasis mine).

Fast forward to April 7, 2009, addressing American troops in Iraq:

Under enormous strain and under enormous sacrifice, through controversy and
difficulty and politics, you have kept your eyes focused on just doing your
job.  And because of that, every mission that has been assigned -- from
getting rid of Saddam, to reducing violence, to stabilizing the country, to
facilitating elections -- you have given Iraq the opportunity  to stand on
its own as a democratic country.  That is an extraordinary achievement, and
for that you have the thanks of the American people.

Q.E.D.

Chris Vaz
admitted dittohead






 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:15:37 -0700 (PDT)
 Subject: [Goanet] US Capt rescued
 By now all Goanetters may know that the US ship captain, which the Somali
 pirates had captured / held hostage was rescued by the navy seals.  All
 Americans are delighted.

 OK nearly all Few far right wing Republicans, who follow Rush Limbaugh,
 may be sulking at the success occurring under President Obama's watch.

 Regards, GL

[Goanet] Fanaticism

[Chris Vaz]

Marlon--

I do not wish to belabor this issue but am obliged to respond because of
obvious misconceptions.

An offer to apologise must not be construed as an ipso facto (done deal) or
a formal apology especially if the other side has not reached out to correct
irresponsible allegations (in this case that GWB should be president of Iraq
or Afghanistan instead of the U.S. among other scurrilous remarks).

I do however realize that my remarks could have been misconstrued.  But I
appreciate your valor in reaching out.

Best
Chris

[Goanet] Fanaticism

[Chris Vaz]

Message 7 - Sun. Feb. 22, 2009


Have not been reading the messages on Goanet as assiduously as I should
because of a busy schedule, but some misrepresentations have been brought to
my attention.  In particular that I made odious or unsubstantiated
statements.  Upon a review of Goanet archives I find the following:

I had criticized Tariq Siddiqi for being an apologist for Sadam Hussain.
Here is one statement of mine which is relevant:

I stand by my statements.  Obviously there are others like you who do not
agree with the president's actions.  The remarks were for their benefit not
meant exclusively for you although I could have expressed myself better.

Secondly, an allegation has been made recently by Marlon that I extended an
apology to Tariq.  This is untrue.  No apology was extended because none was
due..  Here is what I had actually said (CAPS MINE):

I did in fact write at some length to you.  It probably got lost in
transmission.  Shall try to retrieve it.  HOWEVER THERE WAS NO APOLOGY THERE
-- just the rationale for my action.

I have taken the time to refute these false allegations because
misrepresentations if repeated often enough are transformed into fact.  For
any one interested in the truth, you are invited to visit the archives.  I
have no intention to engage in a prolonged debate on this issue because the
exchange between me and Tariq and some others is there for all who value
truth to see.

Chris

[Goanet] It's the economy, stupid --or it a Barack Market???

[Chris Vaz]

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1431

[Chris Vaz]

Message 11
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:3752-0800 (PST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Subject: [Goanet] Well Done America!!
To: Goa's premiere mailing lists estb 1994
 goanet@lists.goanet.org
Message ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3304 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Very well put, Selma -- a deserving paean to this country, the U.S. of A.
Your eloquence is admirable as usual -- even though I may not agree with you
on everything.  Obama has yet to explain what he means by change.  By the
time he is done with raiding our wallets I am afraid all that will remain is
small change!

This Fourth of November was a historic day for America and the world because
when America sneezes, the rest of the world catches cold!  Just look at
world markets today!   Only in America could a person of recent immigrant
vintage and color rise to  this exalted position.  Illustrates the country's
diversity and acceptance.  That is why we see those interminable lines at
the U.S. consulate in Breach Candy, Bombay and all over the world --
supplicants for opportunity and freedom!  This country seems to have finally
cast off its shackles and laid to rest the ghosts of past racism!

But we cannot, and must not shut our eyes and ears to the absence of this
person's background--we don't know who he is-- lack of experience and
competence--and his associations with people of dubious background.  He has
served four years as a senator in the Illinois legislature before running
for the U.S. Senate and is currently in his fourth year there.  During all
of these years, he has no record of accomplishment, period.  Unless his four
NAY votes in Illinois against four bills to ban infanticide of babies born
alive due to botched abortions is counted an achievement!  During his
current term in the U.S. Senate, out of four years, two of them have been
campaigning for the office of president.  Most of his time in the Illinois
and U.S. Senates he has voted present to avoid taking a stand on issues!
John McCain was ahead in the polls in September till the financial meltdown
hit us.  The Democrats in collusion with the MSM (mainstream media)
succeeded in putting the blame on the Republicans.  In a previous email I
have explained at length how this was accomplished.

I'm not pessimistic about the U.S or its capitalistic system.  I am
pessimistic whether our next president and his savants in Congress are
capable of dealing with the massive economic issues we face which will be
exacerbated with the additional trillion dollars he will add to the
spending  without explaining where he will get it from.
The markets are beginning to reflect this.  Yesterday the day after Obama's
victory celebration,  the Dow Jones Index dropped almost 500 points -- a
first ever the day after an election.  Today, as I write this at 12:30 p.m.
it shows a further drop of 360 points!

Congress and Barack Hussain Obama must explain to Americans that the cost of
corporate taxes is ultimately borne by workers and consumers, not companies.
They need to explain that high corporate rates stifle job growth.  We need a
corporate tax rate significantly lower than the current 35% which is the
second highest in the developed world.  Obama is straining at the leash to
raise it further!  A sane government must teach people how to fish--not give
them fish as such action creates and encourages dependency.  He has promised
everything to everybody--there was a woman on television sobbing
uncontrollably because she is under the impression Obama would pay her rent
and give her a no-skin-in-the-game mortgage (otherwise known as a down
payment) now that he is president-elect.

Attempts are being made by a cabal on this forum in the form of a steady
drumbeat to muzzle the conservative point of view  by intolerant and hateful
rethoric.  We must guard against any such attempts against an open and
honest discussion with regard to the consequence of this election.
Politicians invariably promise more than they can deliver to get elected.
Clinton did this by promising tax cuts upon his election, but gave Americans
the largest tax increase ever!  Mr. Obama has already begun backtracking on
his promises--in his victory speech this is what he said:  The road will be
long and difficult.  It might take years...  His supporters were promised
what appeared to be an instant utopia.  Based on his record (or lack of it),
this Messiah (so confirmed by none other than Rev. Louis Farrakhan, also
known as Calypso Louie in a previous incarnation) might just prove to be a
false prophet

Chris





As a Goan, whose future family generations will be American, I can't help
 but be proud at this moment, not just for Americans but for humanity at
 large. This is the America we all ultimately fall in love with.

 This is the America that renews itself continually and fills us with hope.
 Hope, that we can overcome the ugly disease of prejudice, bigotry and
 division based on creed, caste, class and colour. Hope, that the swell

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1423

[Chris Vaz]

On 11/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Send Goanet mailing list submissions to
 goanet@lists.goanet.org
 _

Re:   Its the economy stupid!!Response to Santosh Helekar --


I must commend this astute poster for filling in details I inadvertently
 missed. Gosh, I didn't know Obama was Muslim--and doesn't he claim  he was
 born in Hawaii not the Arab country, Kenya?  And an anti-American Marxist,
 to boot!  Probably influenced by his mentor in Hawaii during his formative
 years Frank Marshall Davis, the Marxist. But I must digress on the last
 point -- that Arabs are indecent.  My experience is Arabs are not only
 decent, but they are incurably modest-- they even cover themselves from head
 to toe in dishdashas so as not to inflame the passions of the pubescent
 virgins in Arabia.In fact Arabs are so full of peace (except when they
 fly planes into American icons) that they let Americans do the heavy lifting
 to drive the Al Qaeda out of Iraq and are now scrambling for digs to house
 their embassies there.


Let's see--


We could use the services of professional journalists--our own having been
found sleeping at the wheel  to question things like--

A guy named Joe , who happens to be a plumber with ambitions for a bigger
business, questioned Barack, who happens to be running for the office of
Presiden of the U.S/Leader of the free world.

And within 24 hours Media has given us more information about Joe's life
than they've given us Barack's life in the past 18 months.

No thanks to a diligent press corps, we now know more about Joe's
professional licensing status, his income tax situation, his employment
history, his domestic squabbles, his voting record, everything associated
with his personal identity; his education...  It's probably reported
somewhere he wears boxers or shorts.

Thanks to our busy press corps...we still don't know what grades Obama made
in college; how he got into Harvard; when he met Bill the bomber Ayers;
when he stopped doing illegal drugs; his medical history; whether he still
smokes cigarettes; the extent of his affiliation with socialist/communist
organizations; why he's no longer a licensed attorney; whether he lied on
his Bar application...

Whether he'd qualify for a security clearance if he were just an average
Joe, what passport he used to travel to Pakistan in 1981; who his
ex-girlfriends are; whether he was or still an Indonesian citizsen; why his
Kenyan grandmother insists he was born there; whether he was ever legally
named Barry Sotero or anything else besides Barack Hussein Obama

Why he needed the help of a crook to purchase his family home; where he was
on Nov. 6 and 7, 1999; what the long-version of his birth certificate says;
why he helped an anti-American, pro-Islamic candidate for Kenyan President
against U.S. interests; why he listened to Rev. Jeremiah Wright's  sermons
for 20 years;and  yet managed to know nothing even tho DVDs of those sermons
were being sold in the Church for fundraising;  how many times he took his
kids to a Rev. Wright sermon; what he actually did as chair of the Annenberg
Challenge; the depth of his relationship with ACORN...

Well, you get the idea...

But, really, we all must be so relieved that the Mainstream Media has done
its job vetting Joe The Plumber, who is NOT running for public office, but
who had the AUDACITY to challenge Barack Hussein Obama, who wants mjy vote
for the office of President of the United States of America!

ALLA-HU-AKBAR!


Chris Vaz
(With acknowledgments to Bob average-Joe Birmingham for some of the
research).

PS -- A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone
who underswtands Marx
 --Ronald Reagan

 --

 Message: 12
 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:53:57 -0800 (PST)
 From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
 goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly
 rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed
 treason. Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this
 insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American
 Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab,
 not a decent family man.

 Cheers,

 Santosh


   --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
  thereof of Obama.  No one has yet been able to provide any
  evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama.  His
  experience as a community organizer, and affiliations with
  the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
  mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant
   terrorist we didn't

Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!

[Chris Vaz]

 I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone 
conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight. 
Its a good feeling to know that my horse ...  errr ... the donkey is in top 
form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system.


Chris comments:   If Jim had taken the trouble to do a little 
research -- and be less judgmental -- he would have discovered that George 
Bush had inherited an economy in recession..  Through the introduction of 
the two tax cuts the economy recovered and the country prospered through his 
presidency, with the exception of the current year.  Annual GDP was in 
excess of  3%, which is considered excellent for a country like the US, with 
a developed economy. Unemployment was at 5%, the lowest in decades. Interest 
rates were also low.  I have a sneaking suspicion that Mario will have more 
to say on this subject, in his inimitable fashion, but let us lay the blame 
for the current malaise where it rightfully belongs -- on the Democrats, who 
brought on the current fiscal mess.  It will take a little explanation, but 
here in brief, is the timeline:


In 1977, Jimmy Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations, signed the 
Community Reinvestment Act to boost home ownership in poorer communities, by 
making home loans affordableregardless of the borrowers' ability to repay 
the loans..


In the 1990s community organiser Barack Obama worked closely with ACORN 
activists, employing intimidation tactics of radical activist Saul Alinsky. 
These activists crowded bank offices, blocked drive-up teller lanes and 
demonstrated at the homes of bankers to browbeat them into lending to poor 
and minority communities.  Those banks who resisted were accused of racism 
In fact, BO was co-plaintiff with Acorn in a discrimination lawsuit against 
Citibank.  Rep Jim Leach warned about the impending damage that nonregulated 
GSEs (Govt Service Enterprises) posed.  He worried that Freddie Mac and 
Fannie Mae would be transforming these agencies into money machines for the 
stockholding few.  Rep Barney Frank, the then and current chairman of the 
Financial Services Committee, countered that the agencies served a public 
purpose..


In 1994 Bill Clinton exacerbated the situation, addressing the housing issue 
thus:  I am committed to an unprecedented partnership between industry and 
community leaders and government to recommit our nation to the idea of home 
ownership and to create more homeowners than ever before. .


In 1995 Republicans won control of Congress and planned reform of the CRA. 
The Clinton admin aligned with Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy and Maxine Waters 
(D-Cal) and did an end around and directed then HUD Secy to inject GSEs into 
the subprime market.  Cuomo said GSE presence in the subprime market could 
be of significant benefit to lower income families, minorities and families 
living in underserved areas.  In 1998, by falsifying signatures on Fannie 
Mae transactions, $200 million was transferred to later periods, triggering 
$27 million in bonuses to top FAnnie Mae executives.  Treasury Secy Larry 
Summers issued this warning: Debates about systemic risk should also 
include GSEs, which are large, and growing rapidly...  Disregarding 
warnings, and under pressure from the Clinton admin, Fannie Mae eased credit 
requirements on loans it would purchase from lenders, making it easier for 
lending to borrowers unqualified for conventional loans.  NINJA (No Income, 
Job verification or Assets) loans became the rule rather than the exception.


In 2000 the Senate Banking Committee noted that as a result of the CRA, $9.5 
billion in expenses had been given to ACORN and other organizations.  (It 
must be noted here that Barack Obama was an ACORN lactivist trainer, their 
lawyer, and the second largest recipient of Fannie Mae's largesse).. 
Several individuals and organizations, including the WSJ, Competitive 
Enterprise Institute, Treas.Secy John Snow,  Repub senators Chuck Hagel, 
Eliz. Dole, John Sunnunu and John McCain, as also Rep Richard Baker (R-La) 
all warned that financial trouble of large GSEs could cause strong 
repercussions in financial markets, affectng federaly insured entities and 
economic activity.  Sens Sunnunu, Dole, Hagel and Mel Martinez introduced 
legislation to improve GSE oversight.  They got nowhere.


In 2004, Rep. Maxine Waters said We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and 
particularly at Fannie Mae, under the outstading leadership of Franklin 
Raines (who went home with a $90m million bonus along with other top 
executives with similar outrageous bonuses and salaries).  Barney Frank 
told Treasury Sec. Snow:  I do not think we are facing any kind of crisis 
Click on the link below:


 http:// in.youtube.com/watch?v=RAuOEdttjZQ

Finally in 2007-08, the housing bubble began to burst, bad mortages began to 
default, and the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac portfolios were revealed

Re: [Goanet] My Bonnie lies over the Ocean

[Chris Vaz]

My conclusion--

If you were not so obsessed with gates and the urge for compulsive 
material consumption for the good life, you would indeed have those savings 
to sock away!  ;--).   On a serious note, however--I'm pretty positive  you 
and hubby are doing just fine.  It takes great intestinal fortitude to put 
up with those miserable conditions to save a few bucks!  I'm sure those poor 
souls had wished they had paid more serious attention to getting themselves 
an education in their youth which, in the long run, is a better path to a 
better and wealthier lifestyle!



- Original Message - 
From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] My Bonnie lies over the Ocean



--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


From: Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it really Selma?

In many cases, I think it is a shame issue.
In Goa they would never do certain jobs, but abroad, where
nobody knows
them, they have no problems in doing those jobs like
cleaning, cooking, etc.



Dear Paulo,
I agree with you that there is a certain stigma attached to these jobs in 
Goa but consider it from their point of view. Many of these men are 
educated atleast upto 12th standard. I know quite a few who have done 
their Bcom and are now working onboard ships as cooks. I even know someone 
who did his Hotel management and is thinking of going onboard the ship. 
Those who are not going onboard the ship will make their way to the UK and 
join the packing crews in Swindon.


The problem is this, when they come out of school, Goa 50 years after 
liberation has not been able to produce any substantive job opportunities 
for them. If our politicians had any vision, we would atleast by now have 
a list of the definitive industries we want to target. Alas all our 
energies are frittered away playing political games while the business of 
the people remains undone. Whatever development has taken place in Goa is 
largely by the sheer diligence of our people and despite our governments, 
not because of them.


And Chris, boy I wish I oould have saved $13,000 a year in the US. Guess, 
hubby was just in the wrong job :-)


best,
selma

Re: [Goanet] Lets go to Daman in India - Part 1 @ 2

[Chris Vaz]

I am glad if Daman and Diu loks as good as is claimed by the Tourism Dept. 
video.  The last time I visited Daman (called Damao during the Portuguese 
rule) quite some years ago after the liberation our party were delighted 
to observe the blackish sand which was unusal because we were conditioned to 
accept white beaches only--but the black sand looked good just as black 
pearls look good!   As we got closer and began to walk on the sand--big 
surprise!  We had to watch very carefully where we stepped because it 
seemed to be all over.   Finally, it became really unbearable--there was so 
much of it, we had to beat a hasty retreat.  Are those fellows (and felines) 
we see in JoaGoaUKs beach videos and photographs Damanese migrants doing 
their thing by any chance, I wonder?


Chris


- Original Message - 
From: [Edu's World] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: edward lopes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:12 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Lets go to Daman in India - Part 1 @ 2



*Lets go to Daman and Dui in video. See Part 1 and Part 2*
**

Re: [Goanet] My Bonnie lies over the Ocean

[Chris Vaz]

It is not just Goans but most Indians do it also. The reason they do this is 
even with minimum wage, they live miserably and put away most of their 
earnings.  Gas stations are usually a good opportunity for employment.  If 
they work 10 hours at even $5/hr., that is $50.00/day or $350/wk or 
$1400/mth. approx.   Food is mainly daal bath (or $2 or $3/day) or 
$60/mth--chicken is very cheap--as low as 60 cents/lb. or less.  They live 
in crowded conditions mostly in slums for $150/200/mth. Food and shelter is 
$260 and approx. $40 misc. expenses for a total of $300/mth.They are 
left with approx. $1100 to put away -- or $13,200/yr.  If they work even 
just four years, they sock away $52,800. - a princely sum for a Goan/Indian 
when they go back home and sport Ray-Bans in their shirt pockets...


That's why they do it.


- Original Message - 
From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] My Bonnie lies over the Ocean






--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 8:45 AM

Hi Selma, I always wondered why is it that some of our Goans
are willing to
do these sort of jobs abroad but never in Goa?

Paulo

--
Because no one who does these sort of jobs in Goa can make ends meet, 
Paulo.


best,
selma

[Goanet] A caminhao ... from Colvale (circa 1972)

[chris fernandes]

---
    http://www.GOANET.org 
---
 2008 International Goan Convention
   Toronto, Canada

   http://www.2008goanconvention.com
---
Thanx Fred for taking me down the memory lane wherein I remember using these 
caminhaos in late 50s when I was 8-10 yrs old along with my parents  gran. 
I dont remember whether I enjoyed riding these caminhaos or not as we had no 
other choice but it was definitely a change  amusing for me and my 
siblings.  Thanx once again for making me nostalgic.


chris fernandes
mandrem 

Re: [Goanet] Oil at 200/bbl - response to Chris and Roland

[Chris Vaz]

Marlon--

Your claim to victimhood in this instance is questionable since by wacko 
environmentalists I was referring to extreme organizations such as the 
Wilderness Society and the Sierra Club.  My earlier email was in response to 
Ralph I believe and you were not even in the picture till you responded 
later.


I trust this will clarify the issue for you.

Chris


- Original Message - 
From: Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Oil at 200/bbl - response to Chris and Roland



--- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

An otherwise well-reasoned response but for the
unnecessary gratuitous
personal invective.

--
Chris, remember, it is you who first used the word
whako.

Re: [Goanet] Advantages of Oil @ $ 200 a barrel

[Chris Vaz]

For the record, conservative estimates put the total amount of recoverable 
oil  in the U.S. in conventional deposits at about 39 billion barrels. 
Offshore there is another 89 billion or thereabouts.  In ANWR, 10 billion 
barrels.


In oil shale deposits, there is more than 1 trillion barrels of oil. --  
about four times the total reserves of Saudi Arabia!  And if estimates of 
shale reserves as high as 2 trillion barrels are true, that would be a 
300-year supply of oil just from shale.


In addition, according to the American Petroleum Institute, Federal lands 
hold 651 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, enough to fuel 60 million 
households for 160 years.  It is pure politics by the irresponsible Democrat 
Party to please their environmental wacko lobby that these resources remain 
untapped and the country remains vulnerable to pariah petrostates like 
Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran and others who wish the U.S. ill (17 of 
the 9/11 suicide bombers were Saudi).  But there is currently strong 
pressure from the U.S. public to proceed with drilling in previously 
unexploited areas.


As far as the remark that  America will become poorer and therefore have 
less to squander on invading the rest of the world  -- a reminder.  It was 
the liberation of Europe by the United States that all of Europe doesn't 
speak German as their universal language.  And fifty million Iraqis and 
Afghans also call it liberation not invasion as has been suggested





- Original Message - 
From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! 
goanet@lists.goanet.org

Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Advantages of Oil @ $ 200 a barrel



2008/7/5 ralph rau [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

There are some definite benefits including:

(1) America will become poorer and therefor have less wealth to squander 
on invading the rest of the world.


(2) America and the rest of the world will just have to use less oil. 
This means less CO2 emmissions. Humankind will get some relief from 
global warming.


(3) The world will finally be incentivised to develop alternate 
technologies which have been postponed for too long due to dirt cheap oil 
which just 7 odd years ago was below $ 20. After all,t oil production has 
peaked and the world will run out of oil in less than 100 years - maybe 
in 50 or 75 years.


Oil at $ 200? Yes...bring it on.

Ralph Rau
Dubai


RESPONSE: You might be out of a job, oil in the ground is no good to 

Re: [Goanet] Goan Identity is NOT Anti-Indian

[Chris Vaz]

Very well said, Arwin!

We need more Goans with your perspective.

Regards
Chris


- Original Message - 
From: Arwin Mesquita [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 6:08 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Goan Identity is NOT Anti-Indian



Is the need for Goa to preserve her Identity, Anti-Indian? I surprisingly
notice some using the Indian card to oppose a genuine issue. (A) They
don't understand the real perspective of India or (B) Vested Interests
trying to intimidate concerned Goans.

Re: [Goanet] Lessons for Goa

[Chris Vaz]

Samir--

Contrary to what you say, my personal experience in Bangalooru  has been 
otherwise.  I have seen feces on pavements and floating through open sewers 
by the sidewalks.  A pretty disgusting sight!


Regards
Chris
- Original Message - 
From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:22 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Lessons for Goa



Rajan writes:

The Old Goa circle makes for a squalid picture.  At
certain times during the day, there are so many ghatis
loitering around, spitting and urinating, that you
think you are in Karnataka.


Karnataka is a much cleaner state than Goa. In Bangalore especially,
no one throws garbage outside their houses as many Goans do.

Early morning, people wash the area outside of the house, and clean it up.
The Hindus would usually make some rangoli or some such thing.

The municipality garbage collector visits us every morning and we give
the garbage to him/her.

Karnataka is also very focussed in high-tech area such as IT , while in 
Goa the in thing is tourism and prostitution.


regards,
Samir

Re: [Goanet] Lessons for Goa

[Chris Vaz]

Samir--

The only way is for Goans to determine their own future.  We should shy away 
from the Indian Govt. who contributes little but is sucking up our land 
through its proxies, the dilliwallahs and the ghantis who foul it.  We 
deserve autonomy and should make our voice heard in international 
fora--including the U.N. who had once condemned Indian aggression.


To build upon Rajan's expose of what is going on, we need an operation such 
as the one I described yesterday--hire professionals, conservationists, 
city/town planners--and especially aggressive lawyers to initiate lawsuits 
against the corrupt politicians and the developers when they have been 
caught with their hand in the cookie jar.There seems no other way 
because the politicians are corrupt and the citizenry, sadly, is sussegado. 
I am confident we can raise the money for this enterprise if we can find a 
leader who can gird for war!


Chris

PS -- Tourism can be a good moneymaker but we have to go after the upper-end 
clientele--not the mostly riff raff that comes via discounted charters.  But 
before we can even begin to think of quality tourism, we should find a 
solution to rid our beaches and cities of those bhaile who defecate and 
otherwise defile all environs.  We cannot attract the better tourist if Goa 
gives the appearance of a taxi ride from the Santa Cruz airport into Bombay 
city--if you know what I mean!



- Original Message - 
From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Lessons for Goa



Samir--


Contrary to what you say, my personal experience in Bangalooru  has been
otherwise.  I have seen feces on pavements and floating through open 
sewers

by the sidewalks.  A pretty disgusting sight!



Regards
Chris


Chris, the way Bangalore is moving, all these things that you see now will
vanish in a few years. I guess the whole shit will move to Goa, if we
dont do anything about it.

The problem is that Goans are still susegad.

Tell me --- are we an intellectually superior race that we can afford to 
be susegad while others whom we call 'ghantis' slog it out all day?


Unless we work very very hard, we will be relegated to be degenerate and 
our only hope will be being pimps and prostitutes.


Today, the world is competitive. There is no free lunch.

And I will tell you one thing --- there is hardly any respect in this 
world  for places which are predominately tourist --- look at Thailand, 
Bahamas etc. One needs to be good at more intellectual professionals 
because they are the future of the world.



regards,
Samir

Re: [Goanet] June 18-- Let the Revolution Begin

[Chris Vaz]

Mario==

You are extremely funny...   Ha! Ha, ha!...;--))

Did you read the AP newsfeed this morning?

It said:

Robert Mugabe said he won the election

I won!  (a la Tom Tom Macoute...)

Get over it!

Otherwise I'll kneecap you! -- and I am being polite :--))

And I have most of the African leadership -- and my fellow dictator-in-chief 
Hosni Mubarak as my supporter !



Cheers!

Chris




- Original Message - 
From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] June 18-- Let the Revolution Begin



Mario wrote:



Hey, Paulo.  My family was on the opposite side of
this battle from yours.  We won.  We feel liberated
because we did not want to be ruled by white
Europeans.  You lost.  Get over it.



Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:17:38 -0400
From: Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]



By this reasoning the peace process in the Middle
East can be put to rest. Israel won.  They should keep
all the conquered territories.



Mario responds:



Actually, Israel has only suceeded in surviving.  It
is not being allowed to win decisively by the rest
of the world community, which does not even mention
anymore that the reason for the continuing conflict -
after the world community decided on a two-state
solution in 1947 - is the failure of the Arabs to
accept the right of Israel to exist in peace and
security.



Thus, the so-called unending peace process in the
middle-east is so much bulls..., ...um, cow cake:-))



By contrast, after surrendering, just look at how
nicely Japan, Italy and Germany turned out.



Chris wrote:



Now that also settles the question of the millions of
Jews who were thrown out by the Arabs with only the
shirts on their back!  No rationale exists for their
claim for reparations or restitution.



Mario responds:



Though you may have the mythology backwards, there
have actually been BILLIONS already paid, and
continuing to be paid, in reparations to both Israel
and the Arabs - with YOUR tax money and mine.



Chris wrote:



Brilliant, Mario, absolutely brilliant!



Mario responds:



I always do my best, Chris:-))  Thanks for
noticing:-))

Re: [Goanet] June 18-- Let the Revolution Begin

[Chris Vaz]

By this reasoning the peace process in the Middle East can be put to rest.

Israel won.  They should keep all the conquered territories.

Now that also settles the question of the millions of Jews who were thrown 
out by the Arabs with only the shirts on their back!  No rationale exists 
for their claim for reparations or restitution.


Q.E.D.

Brilliant, Mario, absolutely brilliant!

Chris


- Original Message - 
From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] June 18-- Let the Revolution Begin



Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:32:16 +0100
From: Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED]



It is a fact that Goa was colonised by Portugal. It is
also a fact that the Supreme Court of India determined
that the Indian Union acquired the
Portuguese State of India on the 19th Dec. 1961 by an
act of conquest and subjugation.



Mario adds:



Isn't it also a fact that the so-called facts above
are irrelevent?  Isn't it a fact that Goa is a state
in India and this has been recognized by the UN and
everyone else but Paulo and a few of his closest
friends?



Paulo wrote:



So, according to India we are not liberated but
conquered.  It is only some of us Goans that
shamelessly continue to claim that we have
been liberated even after the very clear Supreme Court
of India determination.



Mario responds:



Hey, Paulo.  My family was on the opposite side of
this battle from yours.  We won.  We feel liberated
because we did not want to be ruled by white
Europeans.  You lost.  Get over it.

Re: [Goanet] Controversial Colva Projects (Letter to the Editor)

[Chris Vaz]

Arwin--

As Rajan has described elsewhere there is lots of work to be done to carry 
out investigations into the criminal activities already discovered (and to 
be discovered).  It will take professional staff to include investigators. 
Once discoveries have been made, it will be necessary for the lawyers to 
file these cases in court.  As you rightly state, all buildings put up 
through bribery and illegally must be demolished.  A first step would be to 
put together professional help.  There are Goans in the U.S., Canada, the 
Middle East and elsewhere who have expressed a genuine desire in 
contributing very generously towards the establishment of such a group.  It 
is obvious that Rajan has only been able to scratch the surface through his 
valiant efforts--and I dare say that he has put the whole issue of 
corruption on the front burner for which we all owe him a debt of gratitude. 
We need people on the ground to take Rajan's work to the next level--to file 
suits in the courts where chicanery is involved or 
suspected--relentlessly--so that the builders and the politicians are put on 
notice that the people won't put up with such nonsense.  The morchas and 
protests do have their utility, but are soon forgotten--and the politicians 
are aware of that.  If a group such as this can be organized, I am 
personally prepared to extend help and so are some of my colleagues in the 
diaspora.  It is unfortunate that due to personal circumstances we cannot be 
physically in Goa--but we could be with Goans in Goa in spirit--and with the 
essential wherewithal to ensure we move forward.


Any comments would be appreciated


Chris


- Original Message - 
From: Arwin Mesquita [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Controversial Colva Projects (Letter to the Editor)



Its Good News that the people of Colva have forced the Panchayat to say no
to all Mega-Projects. But I fear that the projects illegally approved will
eventually be allowed with the latter assurance. These Projects should be
razed to the Ground. I believe the Colva Panchayat or more so, the people
already have enough ammunition to do so. Colva can send across a strong
message to all the destructive builders, politicians  their colleagues
through out Goa.

Arwin Mesquita, UAE.

--
Please read my Blog:

(1) http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/
(2) http://arwinmesquita.wordpress.com/2008/06/




--
Please read my Blog:

(1) http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/
(2) http://arwinmesquita.wordpress.com/2008/06/ 

[Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 783

[chris]

FN, my colleague who is a banking analyst informs that the promoters of CBP
got a good
valuation and hence sold their 100% stake to HDFC Bank.  However, since u
were banking with them earlier on, now u may do so with HDFC Bank by virtue
of this
merger.

Chris Fernandes
Mandrem


Message: 8
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:10:57 +0530
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in Panjim, I was surprised to note that the Centurion Bank of Punjab
had merged with the HDFC. Or rather, is in the process of merging.
Somehow I had missed the news [1] earlier. But I do recall that
Centurion had been launched with much fanfare a few years ago, and had
later merged with the Bank of Punjab. Would any of the financial
pundits on Goanet tell us what went wrong? Just curious... I used to
bank there earlier, and at one stage, Centurion did have fairly
advanced electronic banking facilities (compared to the other banks in
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[Goanet] Fw: Pleading for survival

[Chris Vaz]

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  South Asian Film Festival in Goa from Fri (June 27) to Mon (June 30)

  At Kala Academy, and ESG, Panaji, Goa

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FOR YOUR EDIFICATION!

I HOPE YOU ARE READING THESE MESSAGES.

SO FAR I HAVEHAD   NO RESPONSE/ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM YOU! 




- Original Message - 
From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:03 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Pleading for survival



To Goanet -


Letter in today's Herald -

*
Pleading for survival
Dias, Canacona 
I am aggrieved to see that the forest of loliem (Vaturem and  
Tansi) is  under  severe threat of surviving . Land sharks from 
Delhi have already purchased large forest area and have started 
cutting and chopping of many trees in this area. I would like 
to appeal to our government as well as Goans to stop this 
devastation of another wooded area of our State.


http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=6110cid=13
*

I have seen this and much more in Canacona.  So what
do we do now?  According to the resident intellectual, 
we should all introspect.  According to the cut  paste

genius, we Goans should look deeper for the cause
of all this.  O but wait, this could also be a secret ploy 
to prop the BJP seat in Canacona.


Listen to the cackling of your wise men, O Goans. 
Introspect and look deeper.  Soon the ghati s**t
will have piled so high and deep, that deep doo-doo 
is all you will be left with.



Warm regards,


r

Re: [Goanet] Of Gated Communities and Middle-class aspirations

[Chris Vaz]

Response to (g) below:

been my guest for lunch and then let rip

Too much flatulence caused the rip ... which would have been eliminated  had 
you seasoned the lunch with compounded asafoetida, also called hing 
manufactured by  Hingwala  Sons, A-287  Shil Mahapa Road, New Mumbai.



--Folks who live in glass houses should not throw stones
--Shri Kon Fucius of Velim, Goa


- Original Message - 
From: J. Colaco  jc [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Of Gated Communities and Middle-class aspirations



(a) SELMA 1: I woke up this morning to read that Britain would be hit
by gale-winds of upto 60 miles per hour. Looking through the windows
onto the garden that forms part of the gated-community I live in, all
seemed blissfully calm.

(b) CORNEL: Hi Selma First, pray what gated community do you live in?
And paradise? The mind boggles! I was able to drive right to your
door-step without a gate in sight! (JC please note).

(c) PS Re your expressed disappointment elsewhere about Dickens and
his several affairs, were there not a number of women who colluded in
the man's romantic and sexual desires?

(d) SELMA 2: I'm sorry you didn't think my residence to be a gated
community... It could also just be that you missed the wrought-iron
gates around it, the 24/7 security guard, the security cameras, the
concierge, the 24 hour maintenance team, the manicured lawns, the
under-ground parking space, the enclosed gardens, the gym and the
terrace garden.

(e) I didn't say it was a paradise, I said it was my corner of 
paradise.


(f) Lastly, why you had to publicise a private visit to my house is
beyond me. Surely, you could have made your point about Gated
communities without making it personal.

(g)I think it shows incredibly poor form on your part to have paid me
a visit, been my guest for lunch and then let rip on Goanet. I take
it, I didn't impress you with my lunch either then?
==

jc's response:

Dears,

My plan was to catch up on my work-matters until about early Sept, and
give GoaNet, generally a well deserved break from my spiel.

But, this one floored me.

Here is my two cents worth.

1: Unless Cornel's PhD is on the subject of 'Gated Communities', I
will unreservedly accept Selma's description of her residence as a
home within a gated community.

2: I believe that Selma knows more about her own home than Cornel does.

3: I have previously provided examples of Cornel's (by now) infamous
Misrepresentations. This probably adds to those.

4: It is not up to me to suggest to those who serially Misrepresent,
that they should (please) apologise.

5: I will NOT comment on (c) and (f) + (g) supra. I  had goose bumps
when I read those points.

just my view

jc 

Re: [Goanet] The Rape of Goa.....as a tool to Save Goa

[Chris Vaz]

As usual, Selma, you have preferred to pick up the half-empty glass.  You 
picked one sentence to engage in distorting my message.  It would appear 
that you would prefer to turn a blind eye to the concretization, mostly 
engaged by the bhaille as Rajan documented yesterday once again--and 
sarcastically tried to denigrate the unity I have advocated.  However 
without realizing what you have said you just made my point -- regardless of 
our political leanings (mine and George's) we are prepared to work in unison 
towards a common objective:  the preservation of Goa from the exploiters who 
promised us freedom and are now engaged with obvious connivance of our 
ghaunti politicians to sell Goa to the highest bidder regardless of the 
consequences.


Goa could indeed use investment and labor -- wise investment, not predatory 
exploitation of scarce resources by nouveau riche Indians.  Contrary to what 
you say, the camera did indeed capture the magnificence of  our land and 
also the blight being created today without any regard to aesthetics.  Goa 
could also do without the cheap tourists flying in by the boatload at 
bargain basement discounts contributing little to the economy but  bringing 
in a culture of drugs and unfettered sex.   I say leave Goa to  the Goans --  
we have survived and shall overcome our existing problems in our own time 
and fashion.  First we need to unite and go about throwing the rascals out 
of office--those who care two hoots about the land and are prepared to sell 
their mother for a few pieces of silver



- Original Message - 
From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Rape of Goa.as a tool to Save Goa



--- On Sat, 6/21/08, Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Mr. Moderator -- this unwarranted abuse of Rajan must stop.
 The man is
doing yeoman's work without remuneration and at
considerable personal
sacrifice

---
Hallelujah, somewhere in this world the Red Sea must be parting again. 
George Pinto and Chris Vaz are in total agreement over something. The 
extreme Right and Ultra Left in warm embrace. This is so touching, I dab 
my eyes delicately to wipe away the tears.


Goa has about as much chance of surviving without the bhaile, be it in 
investment or labour, as a child abandoned at birth. That too is a 
reality, which unfortunately cannot be captured by the camera. All this 
talk about Goans being overwhelmed by bhaile is utter nonsense. Goans 
are not the only ones in India, who are facing problems of rural migration 
and sky-rocketing land prices amidst crumbling infrastructures. It is one 
thing to qualify Goa's problems, it is quite another to suggest solutions 
that will completely disable it.


selma

Re: [Goanet] The Rape of Goa.....as a tool to Save Goa

[Chris Vaz]

This is the first time I've heard that the words tool and ejaculate are 
vulgar and obscene.   How prissy do we have to be?


I repeat my previous message.   Has any one on this forum EVER engaged in 
what someone called a disgusting act?  Is that an obscene or vulgar 
function?  So those of us who have partaken of this disgusting act are 
obscene and vulgar people?   Then  those who are innocent of this affliction 
shall be allowed to cast the first stone!


Please, let's act grown up!

Mr. Moderator -- this unwarranted abuse of Rajan must stop.  The man is 
doing yeoman's work without remuneration and at considerable personal 
sacrifice--in fact he has been spending his own hard won treasure to bring 
the atrocities being committed to our land to everybody's attention perhaps 
in the hope that we Goans will finally take off the blinkers and face 
reality!  There are more important things to worry about--the corruption 
and concretization of Goa.  I wish everybody would put their differences 
aside and unite to rescue Goa from the rascals.  But we see prima donnas 
around who take umbrage at every imagined slight to plough their own course 
of action.  Unity is the best course of action--else the bhaille will soon 
overtake us and convert Goa into  another Indian slum!


Wake up, Goans!





- Original Message - 
From: Sandeep Heble [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Rape of Goa.as a tool to Save Goa



Mervyn Lobo writes:

Sandeep, you have great mentors!
There is nothing creative about Rajans coarse language. I can send you 
two different emails of what followed from Rajan.
It may be beautiful language to you, I find it disgusting. You can also 
ask Miguel how he interpreted Rajan's 'literal' language.


Mervyn,

I quoted Osho not because I consider him as my spiritual Guru but
simply to illustrate that words that may sound vulgar in one context
may not really be vulgar when used in a different context. Nothing
more and nothing less!

Let me now take the extreme position and come on your side. I'll now
grant it to you that his post may be crude and vulgar, but even then
the fuss over it is needless. The story of Buddha's response to the
angry young man who tried to insult him by spitting venom and abuse at
his face comes to my mind.  The Buddha simply asked the man if people
ever visited him in his home. Surprised at the change of topic, the
man answered yes. The Buddha then asked if his visitors ever brought
gifts. When the man replied yes again, the Buddha asked what would
happen if he refused to accept the gifts? Who would the gifts belong
to then? The man said that, of course, they would still belong to
those who brought them. The Buddha then calmly said, In the same way,
since I do not accept your insults, they remain with you.

Rajan's post, however crude and vulgar it may have been, should have
been ignored likewise. He probably used that kind of language to get
on someone's nerves and by being upset; you all gave him what he
actually wanted. If you would have ignored him, he would have ended up
looking like a fool himself. On a related note, I overheard two kids
fighting on the street the other day, probably over a similar silly
thing. One kid kept on abusing while the other stayed cool and calm,
absolutely unaffected by the barrage of insults. After some time, the
unaffected kid simply replied: I'm made of rubber; you're made of
glue, and everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

Maybe this little kid can teach us important lessons in life. Let's
simply ignore all the insults that are hurled our way and they will no
longer be ours. They will simply stick to haunt those who choose to
throw them.  However good Rajan may be as Pravin has repeatedly tried
to illustrate, it is equally true that some of his thoughts are not
compatible in a vibrant progressive democracy. Let's choose wise ways
to respond to him. We will ignore the obscene vulgar stuff!

Cheers
Sandeep 

Re: [Goanet] The International Goan Convention July 2008 - Brahmin Vol 3, Issue 742

[Chris Vaz]

Hei, Rui--

How dare you make the allegation that Cornel lacks a sense of humor?  I saw 
at least five such charges (I might have missed some more) in your email 
below. When I last made that suggestion, Cornel went ballistic.  He 
assured me very emphatically and  in no unmistakable terms  that when he 
lectures high up in them ivory towers among the intelligentsia,  and the 
wedding halls  where he is a well recognized toastmaster that he invariably 
brings down the house and the assemblage guffaws uncontrollably  at his 
humor.   As a matter of fact I guffaw  uncontrollably every time he brings 
forth the matter of caste and castigates Bamons on the Goanet forum.  Don't 
you experience the same emotion when you read his emails?


Give the man a break, will ya?

Chris



- Original Message - 
From: rui nuvo [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The International Goan Convention July 2008 - Brahmin 
Vol 3, Issue 742




Hei Cornel,

0. - I could not make out what you meant by FIRMLY with your appeal to the
moderator. I might have mistaken it for just verbosity but as it is in 
upper

case perhaps it has an added significance which would be nice to know.
- Normally, when I have something to say I start a thread. The least I
expect is that a person responding to my thread has read and understood 
it.

Having said that I am favourably disposed to clarify if I can, any
difficulties that arise. Sometimes, a serious question even off topic will
get my considered response. In that case I make it clear that it is a
serious point and that I have a view on it. However, when I am confronted

[Goanet] beware of fraudsters

[chris]

I guess you have heard of fraudsters n more fraudsters, etc.

My son, Marshall received an attractive online job offer in Canada from
Brad and Harley Recruitment Services (http://www.bradandharley.com),
Vancouver, Canada for the post of assistant admin in a company whose
name has not been mentioned @ $45,000 p.a..  Initially, BH sent M an
intimation informing him that they have acquired his profile thru
TIMESJOBS.COM,
where he had registered.   After formally registering with BH (no fee
demanded),
M gave some more info which they desired.

Thereafter, they asked for verification of documents which need to be
authenticated or rather validated via another domain site (
www.quickValidate.com,)
which apparently belongs to BH.  Here, for validation they demanded GBP15
for each document/certificate and my social avataar came to the fore as to
their
demand of GBP (Pounds Sterling) while the job is offered at Canada.
Moreover, the certificates are normally validated or rather verified by
the Consulates of the respective countries.  Vancouver (the place of the
recruiting agency) I am told, is the home town of many of the refugees from
Punjab when the Khalistan issue arose.

On contacting my neighbour who is in Canada working for a Bank in
Risk Management section, he informed me after making discreet enquiries,
that BH are fraudsters and testimonies are written about them on
http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16163,
which is self-explanatory.

BH also claims to be a premium agency for the past 3 years
and that they have served 500,000 employees!  Too good to be true!
Apparently, BH has been registered in end May 2008  that too for a year.
More info on the fraudwatchers website mentioned above.

Thought of sharing the above scenario with you before it becomes
embarrassing to many n sundry who may fall victim(s) to this scam.
Hv a nice day.

Chris Fernandes
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Re: [Goanet] The rape of Goa -- as a tool to save Goa?

[Chris Vaz]

When the 'gorement' is knee-deep in corruption and concretization and is not 
responsive to the common folk, what are the common folks supposed to do? 
Sit back and acknowledge the other cheek, and not rally and applaud the 
selfless individual/s who shines the light of truth?


Utter commie hogwash!


A communist is someone who reads Marx--an anti Communist is someone who 
understands Marx!  --Ronald Wilson Reagan



- Original Message - 
From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:42 AM
Subject: [Goanet] The rape of Goa -- as a tool to save Goa?



Vidhyadhar Gadgil writes:

Gomantak Times, 18 June 2008



The Rape of Goa...as a tool to Save Goa?



The Rape of Goa, a photo documentary, by Rajan Parrikar is filled
with images of violence. It speaks of a violence done to the


Let us not throw the baby out with the bath water.
The rape of Goa does a great job of showing the rape
of Goa. It does not give solutions however. Let us not expect
everything in one documentary.

It certainly provokes; makes one angry; that is needed absolutely.

However, the next step is to channel the anger in the right directions.
That is our job. Let us work on it, rather than just turning this anger
into a mob mentality.

One of the big problems in Goa is lack of jobs, lack of sourcees of 
earning

a living. We need a positive vision for Goa, apart from our stand of
of no construction, no mining.

To have a positive vision is a tough job. It is easy to destroy,
tougher to build. But then, it is also possible.

Today, the world is moving fast in various directions. Businesses world
over are booming, one reason real estate in Goa is in huge demand for
vacationers.

Can we train the Goan youth to be entreprenuial ?

Can Rajan also bring his high-tech education to a positive use to Goans?

This is what is needed, apart from protests and shouts.

Today, we see Goa govt. spending money like water in areas they know
nothing about. Yesterday, I read a news item wherein the Education
corporation head was talking about computer based teaching. He was
saying things like computers can be used to teach a
child about mountain formations. He is just setting the right tone
to spend another Rs. 200 crores (with appropriate amount of cuts
therein which the ministers will get) for an utterly useless venture.
The recent announcement of spendings on CCTV cameras, or school towns
outside the city, you name it, all come from ignorant bufoons who just
want cuts.

None of the above is going to help in creating a single job in Goa
or help Goans in any way.

We need to fight all this, and give an alternate vision for Goa,
based on opinions of experts in the field. That is the need of the hour,
apart from stopping the rape of Goa in the field of construction, and
mining.


regards,
Samir

Re: [Goanet] The Rape of Goa...as a tool to Save Goa?

[Chris Vaz]

Why is everyone so hot and bothered and disgusted about a common tool usage 
as described by Rajan?Are these innocents proclaiming that they have 
NEVER participated in such a  disgusting act?


Holy cow!




- Original Message - 
From: CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Rape of Goa...as a tool to Save Goa?



Hi Bosco or any other Goanet moderators who may be
around but in hiding as always! I find Rajan's
material disgusting in the extreme. I hope Bosco is
not going to excuse himself this time by saying  I
did not read it but intend to do so later.  Truly,
what a farce Goanet moderation has become. Is any
sensible person in charge at all? Or, is it time to
have a clean sweep of the tired and weary incompetent
old-timers?
Cornel DaCosta
--- Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


To Goanet -



Apropos of the latest ejaculate of Jason Keith
Fernandes -  I, on the other hand, have no
hesitation in certifying the Comrade's tool
as genuine.  Presumably it is his thinking tool
as well.  How sad, then, that it got waylaid
and walloped by the barely literate Babush
Monserrate some weeks ago at the Taleigao
gram sabha.  But not to worry.  As you can
see, the Comrade is still holding on to his
tool and thoughts are still oozing from it.
 Warm regards,

 r

Re: [Goanet] Euro 2008 quarter finals.

[Chris Vaz]

I don't count my chickens before they are hatched, Gabe!


- Original Message - 
From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:23 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Euro 2008 quarter finals.



Quarter final
19 Jun, 19:45 QF1 Portugal v Germany St. Jakob-Park, Basel
   Chris Vaz Vs Gabe Menezes

20 Jun, 19:45 QF2 Croatia v Turkey Ernst Happel, Vienna
Chris Vaz Vs Conrad Rodirgues

21 Jun, 19:45 QF3 Netherlands v Russia St. Jakob-Park, Basel
Paulo Colaco Dias Vs Milan Kojnok

22 Jun, 19:45 QF4 Spain v Italy Ernst Happel, Vienna
 Aidan Pinto Vs Chris Vaz

Semi-finals
25 Jun, 19:45 SF1 Winner QF1 v Winner QF2 St. Jakob-Park, Basel
26 Jun, 19:45 SF2 Winner QF3 v Winner QF4 Ernst Happel, Vienna
Final
29 Jun, 19:45 Winner SF1 v Winner SF2 Ernst Happel, Vienna

My commiserations to the those who were eliminated, especially
Switzerland (Jose Rodrigues) who was out before he even started. I am
sorry, it was my fault for the late inception of the draw, still
that's how the cookie crumbles

If my team goes on to win the tournament, I pledge USD20 to Jose, take
back my outlay of USD40 pus USD20 to celebrate, USD20 will be donated
back to Sudharop. If runner up I shall take the wife down the road
(500 metres) and buy her a couple of G  T's and drown myself in some
beer.

Chris Vaz bought the most tickets, hence he has three teams in the
quarters; one must speculate to invest?





--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England

[Goanet] Chief Minister Digu Kaka

[Chris Vaz]

Dear Fellow-netters:

It appears my forwards to the chief are being blocked.

I would urge every goanetter who is concerned about the corruption and 
concretization of Goa to forward pertinent emails that are published on 
Goanet to him for his edification.  So far I have probably forwarded about 
10 -- he has responded to none!He appears to be an ostrich--buried his 
head in the sand!   Let's all choke his cyberbox!


Here is his email address (unless he has changed it recently):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tel. 0832-2419842

His mailing address is:
Secretariat
Porvorim, Goa 403521

Chris Vaz
Weehawken, NJ
U.S.A. 

[Goanet] How the Mighty have fallen -- and a Goan Icon is swept in the undertow of insider trading...

[Chris Vaz]

WHO WAS VICTOR MENEZES?  

For an answer, click on the link below!


- Original Message - 
From: Chris Vaz 

Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:16 PM


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121364296305878247.html?mod=todays us money and 
investing

Re: [Goanet] Hell descends on Pilerne

[Chris Vaz]

I am after all a Clintonian moderate

Hopefully Selma knows what the meaning of is is!  Nothing can be more 
Clintonian than  that!


The Clintonian moderation got kicked in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] by the Democrat Party in 
the recent  primaries through a young black man who just a few short years 
ago was unknown to most of his countrymen.The Clintons are history!


Here's an assessment of Clintonism by Peggy Noonan

America dodged a bullet.Mrs. Clinton would have been a disaster as 
president.  Mr. Obama may prove a disaster, Mr. McCain may, but she would 
be.  Mr. Obama may lie. and Mr. McCain may lie, but she would lie.  And she 
would have brought the whole rattling caravan of Clintonism with her--the 
scandal-making that is compulsive, the drama that is unending, the sheer 
daily madness that is her, and him.


We have been spared this.  Those who did it deserve to be thanked. 
More than that they threw off Clintonism.  They threw off the idea that 
corruption is part of the game, an acceptable fact.  They threw off the idea 
that dynasticism was an unstoppable dynamic in modern politics...would go on 
forever.  No, that is not the way we do it!   We have been spared this. 
Those who did it deserve to be thanked.  May I rise in a toast to the 
Democratic Party.


No Selma, we have our own Goan domestic corruption to deal with--we don't 
need the American Clintonian model to be imported to enhance domestic 
corruption capabilities.  We have enough of our own [EMAIL PROTECTED] to contend with!


Chris

\Get it Jillian?
From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Hell descends on Pilerne



--- On Fri, 6/6/08, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sitting in the UK while assigning nefarious motives to
Rajan Parrikar, without whom most Goanetters would
have known nothing about this and many other
atrocities taking place in Goa, is hardly going to
solve the problem of Goa being defaced under Fred's
very eyes.

---
Mario,
Sitting in the US, I'm happy for you if your only source of information 
about Goa is Rajan's pictures.

Re: [Goanet] Buy Sesa Goa: target of Rs. 4400/-

[Chris Vaz]

Sterlite Industries of India, flagship company of the Vedanta Group, 
recently submitted the winning bid of $2.6 billion for ASARCO, the U.S. 
copper mining company formerly known as American Smelting and Refining.  We 
are delighted to have reached agreement on this important acquisition which 
is a significant milestone for our group, said Sterlite chairman Anil 
Agarwal.  Sterlite is the largest copper producer in India.  Sterlite is 
traded on the NYSE (SLT) and is trading today at around $20/share.



- Original Message - 
From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:10 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Buy Sesa Goa: target of Rs. 4400/-


Sesa Goa now owned by the Vedanta group is owned by a character called
Agarwal, who was once a trade union leader in Balco, a company which he
eventually bought.

Orissa govt. is investigating Vedanta for fraud. This man Agarwal
is a big time dubious character.

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 658

[Chris Vaz]

Cornel--

It's always a pleasure reading you even though we may disagree re some 
points of view and ofttimes a pain in the you know where ;--)s


I was born in Goa--and even though I left at a very young age, I still have 
very fond memories of my quaint village of Divar with that beautiful church 
atop the hill with commanding views of Old Goa with its soaring cathedrals, 
Ribandar, Chorao, and even distant Panjim.   My mother and I, in our Sunday 
best befitting a visit to our capital city, would walk down from our home 
through the picturesque village scenery to take the gazollin (the 
precocius boat) on the opposite side of Chorao to chug  to our beautiful 
city of Panjim to shop.  We would include a visit to the fine boutiques of 
Menezes  Cia and Cosme Mathias Menezes even though we could afford little 
of the precious offerings--but we knew the personnel in those establishments 
(the owernship was from Divar/Malar) and my mother would indulge in personal 
banter and pleasantries.Panjim then was a beautiful, clean and vibrant 
city, where everyone was properly dressed and some men would  even wear a 
suit and tie in the oppressive summer heat!  Even though not everybody was 
rich, most  affected an air of elegance, the men were deferential to the 
women and respectful to all others--the merchants treated you like some 
distant relations, and the mellifluous sounds of Portuguese wafted in the 
air mixed with Konkanni.   The scenery was breathtaking and once we got off 
in Panjim, there was Betim across the Mandovi in all its splendor. The 
statue of Fr. Abbe Faria with the woman prone and hypnotized was a profound 
mystery...   For our young impressive minds, the visit to Panjim was the 
ultimate experience in all its meaning before circumstances propelled most 
of us inexorably to the deliverance of Bombay and the joys of Jer Mahal and 
its environs.   It is sad, but perhaps it is truly said that Goa is now 
called a toilet and bears little comparison to the laid-back Goa I used to 
know and remember.   Hopefully Goans, regardless of their religion or 
political affiliation will sit up and take notice and try to to stop the 
savage assault and salvage what is left of it and restore it before it turns 
out into another Indian urban slum.  On one of my visits eight years ago, I 
encountered a young white American female at the Majorda Beach Hotel 
enjoying adult libations and during the course of our conversation she 
discovered I lived in New York (NJ really), she exclaimed: We come here all 
the way from there to enjoy paradise here and what are you doing there in 
that concrete jungle? She made me feel guilty!   Perhaps that was 
prescient--now watching the Dona Paula skyline and what is being revealed 
most of all over our Sorrowing Land through the fine lens of a camera. 
The chickens are coming home to roost(?)  But I digress.


So, to me Goa will always be a special place full of sounds and smells and 
scenery that are vested.  I have travelled many countries in distant and 
beautiful places but my heart will always yearn for those pleasureable 
memories of my youth which comfort and provided solace (now a stab of pain) 
because that was and remains a love story which is forever part of me and 
will refuse to die.   As the saying goes You can try to take Goa from me 
but you can't take the Goan out of me or something like that.  Goa will 
always remain back home to me as it should mean to all of us despite our 
acceptance of alien nationalities.  After all, we do owe allegiance to our 
new hosts for their generosity in accepting us.   I hope you feel 
likewise


Regards
Chris


- Original Message - 
From: CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 658



Hi Chris
I hope you don't mind my coming in re your

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 658

[Chris Vaz]

Venantius--

It is not that they don't smell the roses, but how do they make the time 
with all their varied interests and activities??


I must have missed the Naresh message.  Madhav's response to Naresh displays 
astonishing knowledge of the U.S. music scene from the thirties to the 
contemporary era.  You have to be especially gifted to absorb all that 
knowledge and information and be able to spit it out in such a facile 
manner.  I am surprised I never heard of him till now.


So too about Adrian.  To being India's best and having not known of him is 
inexplicable.  I called my friend Gerry Coutinho in New Jersey (he was on 
the Indian music scene considerably having played at the Taj and now lives 
in NJ) and he tells me that Adrian is a drummer (?).   I haven't been to 
India since 2004 and I try to avoid Bombay because of the foul air which 
makes me sick.  BTW Louiz Banks played May 9th at The Town Hall, Manhattan 
at Miles from India concert. You might have been there.  Vijay Iyer opened 
the concert with Rudresh Mahanthappa the alto saxophonist.  Yes, in 
deference to Madhav, I must admit the black musicians were on fire  --  
Wallace Roney on trumpet. Lenny White (Miles Davis' drummer),  (Gino Banks 
also on drums was a very distant second to Lenny) and Ron Carter on acoustic 
bass.


Do try to keep me in the know of happenings back home as when they come to 
your attention.


Chris
(201) 430 4218


- Original Message - 
From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Cc: Madhav Chari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 658



Hi Chris,
You do not have to trust me, but still Madhav makes times to smell the
roses. I recently worked over 111 hours a week and between 75-90 hours a
week for fours weeks straight and was smelling roses all the way. Also 
sake.

Re: [Goanet] GOA of New Jersey donates to GOA's ASRO

[Chris Vaz]

Hi, Tony--

$450.00 divided by 300 attendees comes to a contribution of $1.50 each. 
That wouldn't even fetch a cup of Starbucks latte which costs in excess of 
$4.00.


Not exactly big spenders, us New Jersey-ites, eh?

Now if we had figured $100.00 x 300 attendees, that would have netted a more 
meaningful $30,000! (or something like 15 lakh rupees?)  That would REALLY 
have helped ASRO!


On a more serious note, I trust you have completely recovered from your 
recent heart emergency and back to your usual effervescent self!


Regards
Chris




- Original Message - 
From: Tony Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:59 PM
Subject: [Goanet] GOA of New Jersey donates to GOA's ASRO




  GOA of New Jersey gives to GOA's ASRO HIV Aids victims

A 50/50 charity raffle held  during the Spring Fling dance organized
by the Goan Association of  of New Jersey (GOANJ) last Saturday
raised some $450 towards the ASRO Home  for children with HIV/ Aids
in Tivim,   GOA.

The project - one of two in Goa  run by Caritas-Goa  -  houses about
20 children. Due to the growing number of children , plans are
underway to build another structure which will offer additional space
for shelter and recreation. The GOANJ has contributed $500 towards
this Building Fund. The other Home  is in Cavelossim.

The dance at the Parish Center of Our Lady of Peace Church in North
Brunswick was attended by more than 300 people - an alltime record
for a summer dance and surpassing last year's attendees of 270
people. More than 30 people were on the waiting list.

The  dance featured New Jersey's first goan band- The PRISM led by
Brian Barreto (of Bonaventure fame from BombaY) , who  doubled as
a  Deejay.

The Spring Fling dance was revived last year after more than  a six
year lapse.  They were discontinued due to  poor attendance.


Tony Barros.
Union , New Jersey.
U . S . A .

Re: [Goanet] Enough is Enough

[Chris Vaz]

Floriano--

Elsewhere, John Monteiro has suggested we put our differences behind and 
unite under one banner.


You appear to be respected in the Goan community.

We need leadership!  Are you able to coral all the disparate leaders and get 
them to sit down together to discuss issues and form a plan of action--or am 
I too naive believe that such a course of action is feasible?


Time seems to be running out as the politicians and developers are about to 
finish off what is left of sobit Goa.


Do make the attempt if you can.  Every Goan I know is prepared to help in 
uniting us and providing the wherewithal to put up a fight.


With good wishes

Chris J. Vaz
Weehawken, NJ, USA


- Original Message - 
From: floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Enough is Enough


I have always said that Delhi must stop using Goa as its holiday spot and 
impose its friends (industrialists etc) on Goa to its detriment.


I have always said that Goa's CM must command respect in Delhi. However 
this is not possible because our own Goans have shown to Delhi that they 
do not possess back-bones, that  all they are good at doing is CHAMCHAGIRI 
and  act as  DALLALs to Delhi's High and mighty.  This is true of the 
Congress, the BJP, not forgetting the NCP, the less talked about, the 
better.


That those who consider themselves as  Goa's Freedom Fighters are nothing 
but the brainless and the gutless 'mules'  put to work by Delhi. That if 
they have any self-respect left after having fattened themselves on the 
largese of pensions since 1961, they must reliase that they have failed 
Goa and Goans not just once but a thousand times.


Arwin is very right. Enough should necessarily be Enough under the normal 
circumstances. But it is a pity that Goans are far from getting to realise 
the actual meaning of ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.   We Goans will write about it, 
talk of it, worry about it but when it comes a knocking at our doors, we 
will fail to  recognise it. A pity, really.


The refusal to denotify the 3 SEZs in Goa is the final test that Delhi has 
put  Goans to. If we succumb to it,  everything will be lost forever. 
Goans will be like scared dogs with their tails between their legs, the 
roar in their throats having been snatched away forever.  If we ever did 
have an ounce of self-respect, we shall commandeer both, the SELF-RESPECT 
and the ROAR in our throats,  NOW and show these Delhi TOUTS who they are 
dealing with.


We must not lose this opportunity to sink whatever differences we have 
with one another. We must come out from our cosy bedrooms and our shameful 
pulpits  from where we have been writing  and dishing out philosophies to 
no end, cross the road and see what is happening there. In short, Goa 
needs a breath of fresh air from this ever polluted political  environment 
which has been nothing but  'you cratch my back and I shall scratch yours, 
double time'. We must learn to treat all deputationists in Goa as the 
agents of Delhi to subvert and maim Goa and Goans with the help of our 
elected voiceless chamchas, all, without exceptions.


The revolution is around the corner. We must get the guillotines out from 
their dusty corners, and keep them ready to be put to work. If we fail to 
do that NOW, it will be our gullible and good for nothing throats which 
will be caught in the treacheous and looting fists from Delhi supported 
and helped to press harder by our very own 'Judas'  the mine owners, the 
real estate barons and institutions that should be institutions of concern 
for its people over the long run.


So Goans Hark Ye ! Arwin Mesquita has sounded the clarion call . Enough is 
Enough. Put your best foot forward and march to free Goa and Goans. Do not 
stop until the job is well done. And once you have done it, please do not 
go back to sleep to lose all that which you have gained but remain 
vigilant always so that you protect what you have fought for to leave it 
intact for posterity to enjoy.



floriano
goasuraj







- Original Message - 
From: Arwin Mesquita [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:46 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Enough is Enough


SEZ's, Mega-Projects etc are proven to be Anti-Goan. On SEZ's, even the 
Goa
Government's SEZ Task Panel has come to the same conclusion. I believe 
more

is at stake here i.e. Financially/Politically for the Dictatorial Central
Government, their wealthy Non-Goan Industrialists lobby/political backers 

their loyal Goan Political servants; who are disgustingly looting Goa. 
The

Central Government seems confident that as they fooled Goans in 1961 by
illegally occupying Goa without our approval, they can now get away with
anything.



Enough is Enough. It is High Time Goans go for a complete review of the
annexation of  Goa into India and DEMAND special status (like some other
Indian States

Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Please identify this beach - reallybeautiful but..

[Chris Vaz]

WHY DON'T WE COMPLAIN TO OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE -- DIGU-KAKA -- (that 
'kaka'  on the beach), AND HAVE HIM GO THERE AND CLEAN UP???


DOESN't DIGU 'KAKA' OWE US THAT MUCH???

WHAT A DISGRACE!!





- Original Message - 
From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Please identify this beach - 
reallybeautiful but..




Hi Joe,

100% of your readers will get this right. This is the future SEZ beach, 
currently a vote bank of the corrupt-Congress (one word) and future 
vote-bank of the corrupt-BJP (also one word). Also seen in the pictures 
are a few Goan suckers working for Goa's development. And like the 
people's movement to Save Goa, they are unified in their disagreement or 
perhaps disagree on their unity as the case may be.


All the Gods of our people cannot even save us now.

Regards,
George


--- On Tue, 6/3/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



7. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2548582809/sizes/l/


Homework:
Some people/kids seen sitting in Pic  2  7 above are
playing or building sand castles.  TRUE or FALSE ?

[Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 659

[chris]

Message: 5
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:54:28 +0100 (BST)
From: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] ETERNAL VIGIL IS THE PRICE OF FREEDOM. The GBA saga
 in Goa.
... The meeting at Mandrem went on well. The focus is being
maintained on
the scrapping of the PRESENT Regional Plan 2011...

Apparently due to oversight or perhaps lethargy that has set in,  I must hv
missed this piece.
perhaps u wud b gud enuf to fill me in.  thanx

Chris Fernandes

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Re: [Goanet] Three wine recipes: from a book by Edwin Saldanha ...

[Chris Vaz]

Isn't the late Eddy Saldanha, father of the famous Goanetter extraordinaire, 
Dr. Kevin Saldanha?


Cheers! 

Re: [Goanet] [goamusician] Fw: My name is Anthony Gonsalves

[Chris Vaz]

When discussing Madhav Chari's accomplishments, another name comes to mind -- 
Vijay Iyer.

Vijay is another one of those supercharged bright guys -- a polymath whose work 
has spanned the sciences, arts, and humanities.  He holds a B.S. in Mathematics 
and Physics from Yale College, and a Masters in Physics and an 
interdisciplinary Ph.D in Technology and the Arts from the University of 
California at Berkeley.He has given master classes and lectures in 
composition, improvisation, cognitive science, jazz studies, and performance 
studies at New York University, The New School University, California Institute 
of the Arts, Columbia University, Harvard University, Manhattan School of 
Music, etc...

For more info about this gifted prodigy go to www.vijay-iyer.com/-

One wonders, with all the time it must take to earn such accomplishments, do 
they really make time to smell the roses?



  - Original Message - 
  From: Frederick Noronha [फ़रेदरिक नोरोनया] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [goamusician] Fw: [Goanet] My name is Anthony Gonsalves




  2008/6/1 Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
  
   A MOST INTERESTING ARTICLE...
  
   NEVER HEARD OF MADHAV CHARI BEFORE.
  
   AND WHO IS ADRIAN D'SOUZA?

  
http://www.google.co.in/search?q=Madhav+Chariie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=com.ubuntu:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

   (Madhav Chari is a jazz pianist currently living in Chennai, India)



  Speaking piano 

He could have been an excellent mathematician or an excellent musician. 
Madhav Chari chose to be the latter. C.K. MEENA meets the jazz genius who 
considers the piano the greatest instrument on earth  





  PHOTO: SAMPATH KUMAR G.P. 
   
  FOREVER EVOLVING Madhav Chari: `Unlike the self-contained universe of 
Carnatic music, jazz regenerates itself, pulls in energies from other sources'. 

  When Madhav Chari talks of motifs, idea, theme and vocabulary, of developing 
a concept, editing the first draft and creating a new ending, you could swear 
he's talking about writing an article. But he is in fact describing how he 
composes a jazz piece on his piano. 

  Writing, mathematics and music were his interests while growing up. Although 
math won out over literature early on, music won out over math in the end — and 
a spectacular conquest it was, for he shelved his Ph.D. program for a musical 
career. 

  Drama as metaphor 


  But literature does come in handy when he explains what jazz is all about. 
Chari used drama as a metaphor during the workshop he held as a prelude to his 
concert recently at St John's Auditorium, presented by Worldspace radio's jazz 
channel Riff. The structure of a play is set in stone, he pointed out. The acts 
and scenes, once scripted, cannot be changed. The actors must stick to their 
given roles, costumes and dialogues. Now imagine that the plot varies and the 
order of the scenes changes from day to day. Imagine that an actor is not given 
his dialogue; he has to make up his lines as he goes along, and he could be 
suddenly ordered to speak in iambic pentameter. This is what a jazz musician 
does every time he performs. 

  Music has always played a major role in the script of Madhav Chari's life. 
His Tamil Brahmin father was into western music and not Carnatic, which was not 
unusual considering that he had studied in Ooty's Lawrence public school, was a 
resident of Kolkata who spoke only functional Tamil, and was influenced by the 
Brahmo Samaj. Kolkata in the Seventies was heaven for the western music fan. 
Chari says: My parents took me to two concerts every month: one classical, one 
jazz. The USIS at that time would regularly bring down jazz bands that were 
A-listed in New York, and Kolkata was one of the hit points along with Mumbai 
and Delhi. He heard Chico Freeman, and Clark Terry and his orchestra, live. He 
listened to Pam Crane, Kolkata's celebrated jazz singer. In the late 
Seventies, Louis Banks played a two-and-a-half hour public concert in our 
house. 

  Chari was entranced by the piano. Not the violin or the trumpet. The piano 
was talking to me. He played it by ear when he was just five at the house of a 
family friend, and considers it the greatest instrument on the planet. Kolkata, 
which he calls a very rich city, intellectually, also gave him the gift of 
intellectual curiosity. He read widely and was by his own account a 
precocious lad who would end up talking to his parent's friends more than to 
his peers. 

  When he was 15, he says, he got Coltrane, understood the emotional content 
of his music. He was hooked. Jazz affected the core of his being. My body 
would react in a different way, as though I had hit a motherlode of 
electricity. When in '85 he got a full scholarship to the under-graduate 
program in mathematics at Dartmouth, U.S.A., he was glad to be in a country 
that would keep his musical interests alive. He was part of the college jazz 
ensemble and later played

Re: [Goanet] About Panjim Toilet

[Chris Vaz]

---
  http://www.GOANET.org 
---

 The Rape of Goa - A photo documentary
  by
   Rajan P. Parrikar

  Venue: Menezes Braganza Art Gallery, Panjim, May 21-24, 2008

   http://www.parrikar.org/misc/doc-notice.pdf
---


Great idea!

Why don't we also saturate Digubab's cyberbox also.  Do you think there is 
any sensitivity left in this bum?


His email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Chris




- Original Message - 
From: Eustaquio Santimano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] About Panjim Toilet



---
  http://www.GOANET.org 
---

 The Rape of Goa - A photo documentary
  by
   Rajan P. Parrikar

  Venue: Menezes Braganza Art Gallery, Panjim, May 21-24, 2008

   http://www.parrikar.org/misc/doc-notice.pdf
---

Hi JoeGoaUk,

Thanks - as always testing our senses which we choose to shut.

A suggestion to all GoaNetizens, how about forwarding this email to all 
your fellow Goans.  Kind of an awareness campaign.

Am I doing enough to keep my Goa clean and beautiful?

Best Wishes
Eustaquio Santimano


On Tue, 20 May 2008 02:51:03 +0800, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



Open air toilet
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D_DK8TXR-2U


As said earlier, there are at least 4  toilets in the market area.
Nearest one is right into the market
Next one about 2 minutes walking distance near Campal art park where
KFF took place recently,
The next is at Ferry wharf about 3 minutes walk
And the fourth one only  I minute walk from above ferry wharf (opp
Hotel Mandovi)


No doubt, Bombay or any other Indian city it is a common scene but our
Goa is different and we should try to keep it that way.

If one can see this much during the broad day light, who knows how
much more during the late evenings or early mornings ?

And i feel  this is the time to act before it is too late


These all pics taken today almost at same time of the day i.e. around 3pm

 Now look at this,  3 in a row
Casino boat also seen in the background
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2504494899/sizes/l/

another with Ferryboat and Mandovi bridge
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2504495097/sizes/l/


The two crows are closely watching  the LIVE show
Plus the bridge and the Pride of Goa in the background
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2504495757/sizes/l/


Just incase some men complain 'Why always the men in the pics?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2505324984/sizes/l/


Note: some problem with yahoo so using gmail

--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Goanet] Fw: McCain-Jindal? - New York Times

[Chris Vaz]

Could Bobby Jindal, the young (34) and charismatic Indo-American youngest 
governor of Louisana with a stellar record of accomplishment in local 
government be the future star of  U.S. politics?


Yes  Believe It Or Not!


Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:19 PM
Subject: McCain-Jindal? - New York Times



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/opinion/05kristol.html?ref=opinion

Re: [Goanet] The migrant danger to Goa

[Chris Vaz]

Dr. Anesimo--

You are right on!

I fully empathize with you re Rajan.  A true patriot!

I have also offered (together with a couple of other friends) whatever help 
Rajan can use--both moral and financial.


I am very proud to have a fellow Goan like Rajan.  When it is the welfare of 
Goa, there is no divide among Christians, Muslims and Hindus!  We are Goans 
first!


Regards
Chris


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: [Goanet] The migrant danger to Goa



Dear Goanet Readers

Santosh Helekar wroteThis would not be enough.The following additional 
prescription would be needed.


The above comments about Rajans?interview is written in bad taste and to 
denigrate his work.The issue about immigrants is not Rajans fantasy or 
imagination.This issue is bugging goyenkars big time.They think?it is just 
a question of time before we have major problems.In Margao there was a law 
and order situation among the Muslims over a burial. it was between the 
goans and non-Goans.I was expecting the secular goanetters to blame it on 
BJP.I beleive this problem is not yet resolved.


Rajan is talking about the rich non-Goans who are destroying our 
land,environment,pushing the land prices sky high?using ?their black money 
and encouraging corruption. He is talking about the other migrants who 
have no business to be goa,and are pitching up huts all over?the public 
and communidade land, defecating,urinating?and spitting all over the 
place.?


Goans did not fight OPINION POLL for nothing.Those who were not born at 
that time or too?young enough to remember,should ask their elders why they 
wanted Goa a separate entity.Rajan is saying what exactly most goyenkars 
say and feel. The only thing is, he is too honest, blunt and passionate 
about Goa.?I call him a niz goyenkar and will fully support any of his 
initiatives that will help Goa and Goans.?


It amazes me how pride and ego can affects ones rational thinking even to 
the extend of destroying ones motherland.


Cheers

Dr. Anesimo Fernandes?

AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at 
http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now. 

Re: [Goanet] Quest.Net - The Best Business in the World

[Chris Vaz]

This well-meaning lady should read on the famous Italo-American Charles 
Ponzi--a historical figure--fact not fiction.


This appears to be plain and simple Ponzi scheme detailed herein earlier by 
another poster.  Just google the name Ponzi or go to Wikipedia to read the 
sordid details.


There is no easy way to wealth--work hard and earn it or be born in a rich 
family.


A fool and his money is easily parted (Gabe?) 

Re: [Goanet] Soter D'Souza on Goans Awake and Goans Lost

[Chris Vaz]

Dear Cornel--

Your query of Rajan reminds me of the time Lord Fauntelroy walked into a 
Rolls-Royce showroom, kicked tires, and asked the salesman--


What is the price?

Salesman:   If you must ask, sir, you can't afford it!

That says it all, doesn't it?

Cheers!
Chris



- Original Message - 
From: CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Soter D'Souza on Goans Awake and Goans Lost



Hi Rajan
Please tell us what your sentence below means.
Thanks
Cornel
--- Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


To Goanet -
 The 'debate' about Goan Identity is a non-debate.

Re: [Goanet] Obituary: Felicia Maria Coutinho de Noronha (Frederick 'FN' Noronha's mother)

[Chris Fernandes]

Please accept my heartfelt condolences on the loss of FN's mother yesterday.

Eternal Rest grant unto her O Lord and let perpetual light shine upon her; 
May her soul rest in peace.  Amen.


Chris Fernandes 

Re: [Goanet] Remo holds free concert to create awareness on globalwarming

[Chris Vaz]

Americans aren't scared enough to pay for a serious global warming 
policy.  There's no reason they should be...


--Patrick Michaels
Senior fellow in environmental studies at the Cato Institute and professor 
of environmental sciences at University of Virginia


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120847988943824973.html

also:  www.cei.org

TRUST--BUT VERIFY--Ronald Wilson Reagan


- Original Message - 
From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Remo holds free concert to create awareness on 
globalwarming




Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:46:35 -0400
From: Kevin Saldanha [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hi Mario and others,



You will have a chance to quiz Drs Rosario-Gomes and
Goes at the upcoming 2008 International Goan
Convention in Toronto this summer about their take on
this controversy on the so-called 'furious' debate
between scientists.
http://www.2008goanconvention.com/program2.php



Mario responds:



Kevin,



Why would I quiz two individuals about their point of
view?  Wouldn't that be a statistical sample too small
to be scientific:-))



The Navhind Times article is obviously bogus from two
opposing points of view.  From my side this is a
one-sided biased article from a publication that has
censored any mention of the scientific opposing point
of view.  Based on Santosh's posts he should consider
it worthless because it was not written by a scientist
but by a news reporter who is also an ideologue.

Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: New Hill city etc

[Chris Vaz]

Who gives these people building permits?!


Seems there is no concern for planned development.


Shame on these Goans!




- Original Message - 
From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photos: New Hill city etc



Models Status (at Dona Paula near IT Park/ water tank)
Fully booked: Price Rs.45 lacs onwards
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2422478957/sizes/l/

Another coming up- close to above
Booking started
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2422477453/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2422480411/sizes/l/


After Chimbel, Monti Dhongor etc ..
It lloks like another hill station coming up (a view from above site)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2422475689/sizes/l/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2422472801/sizes/l/

All under Taleigao constituency


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for Goa  NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ 


For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa
or
http://is.rediff.com/profilevisitor.php?mem_id=48419


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Re: [Goanet] Is the destructiveness of caste a myth?

[Chris Vaz]

Cornel--

If your statistics are to be believed that only 5% of the population is 
Brahmin and of those 5% many would NOT be casteists (how many?), then it 
appears to be a very marginal minority that could safely be ignored. 
Assimilation, through intermarriage and cognitive consonance will take care 
of that in the not too distant future.  If I were you, I would not unduly 
worry about this MINOR problem, and not spend sleepless nights about an 
insignificant problem.


Rgds
Chris


- Original Message - 
From: CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Is the destructiveness of caste a myth?



Hi Chris
I'll be brief: I have never said that most or all
Goans are casteist. Indeed, in one of my posts, I had
indicated that an estimate of about 5% of the
population were deemed to be Brahmin let alone the
Chardos, and of these, many would NOT be casteist.

My quarrel is with the continuity of caste adherence,
half a milenium  after Catholicism was introduced in
Goa. I am sure you are not alluding that this was
inevitable, nor that, the Church's connivance and
support for caste was not a big factor in the
continuity of caste hypocrisy among Catholic Goans.

I lived for almost six years in Goa initially and
then spent two six month periods in Goa in young
adulthood. In this period, I saw exactly what Brahmin
hegemony meant to poorer people including their
manifest fear of any interpreted transgressions by the
Bamon landlords. A beating from the Bamon's 'hoods'
was not a rare occurrence and I witnessed some of this
myself. Indeed, I often debated with myself, who were
worse---the big Bamon landlords or the Portuguese in
keeping ordinary Goans subdued. It is a real pity that
this aspect was not part of your learning experience!

I believe that Frederick's view is closer to mine,
Antonio's and Mario's than yours and it is a pity that
several people on my side of the fence are rather
fearful to express themselves except privately. Some
are also 'opiately' reverential of the Church although
very angry with it over the caste issue and also the
segregationist tendencies of the caste adherents.
There are 'defrocked' priests too who were forced by
the Church to avoid criticism of casteism. Indeed, I
have a massive file of the entire correspondence
between one Goan priest and the Church hierarchy that
was determined to shut him up. Some day, I hope to
make this public.
Regards
Cornel

PS As a kid of five and later too I recall in Goa the
strong feelings expressed against the caste based
confrarias of groups of 'activists' at my family home.
Perhaps I got the true flavour of resistance to caste
from this. If caste adherence is one side of the coin
in Goa, resistance to it is the other side inevitably!

--- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mario--

I know your heart is in the right place but you and
Cornel should look into
this with the proper perspective.  It helps if one
was born and brought up
at least for a while in Goa because only then do you
totally breathe and
savor Goanness the way it was meant to be...

Re: [Goanet] Is the destructiveness of caste a myth?

[Chris Vaz]

Mario--

I made a good faith attempt to explain the caste proclivities in Goa.  I 
believe in due time these differences will dissipate. In any event, if 
Cornel's statistics are anywhere near accurate (5% of the pop. being 
rahmin  -- of which even less are casteists), then the problem we have is 
very minor and doesn't deserve a jingoistic approach.


If you insist on an immediate solution to the 'problem' I would strongly 
advocate you (with Cornel for moral fortitude) borrow Anthony D'Silvas 
megaphone and wield it at Friday's Mapusa market, collecting signatures for 
presentation to Digu-bab (??) and see how much good that will do!


Good luck ;--))



- Original Message - 
From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 5:28 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Is the destructiveness of caste a myth?



Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:08:51 -0400
From: Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]



It was only after the Portuguese settled in Goa and
converted the Hindus that the cristaos became what
they are--but they did not forget their
hierarchy--which was ingrained in their psyche for

Re: [Goanet] Is the destructiveness of caste a myth?

[Chris Vaz]

 our common goals.


As Miguel would say--

Mog asundi!






- Original Message - 
From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Is the destructiveness of caste a myth?



From, Chris Vaz chrisvaz at optonline.net
Sun Apr 6 09:36:42 PDT 2008



Growing up in Goa in the fifties, I was never exposed
to any spectacles of such persecution.



Mario responds:



Chris,



I did not grow up in Goa but I have personally
observed some pretty nasty manifestations of caste
[see specific examples below] which I would describe
as insidious assumed communal superiority based on an
accident of birth, not on a persons character and
achievements, leading to blatant discrimination.



I would also refer you to the following post on Goanet
that you may have missed, and Cornel had nothing to do
with it.

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 396

[Chris Vaz]

If you have been lucky enough to have gotten really good caju feni--the best 
way to drink it is to have it neat as you would drink single malt scotch.


Cheers!



- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 396




In einer eMail vom 08.04.2008 06:56:13 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerze 
schreibt

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Warwick on Feni:
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/go/feni



Could some one in Goanet tell me the best way to enjoy drinking Feni. 
During
my recent trip to India, which included Goa, I bought two bottles of Feni 
and
smuggled it right up to Germany.  I drank Feni before and it is an 
excellent

drink, but still I would like to know from some one really experieced.

Indrajit Ganguli
Eppstein, Germany

Re: [Goanet] Update on PIL concerning the city of Panjim

[Chris Vaz]

Congratulations, yet again, Dr. Rajan Parrikar!

You have demonstrated quite clearly to us armchair critics and Monday 
morning quarterbacks, that you not only talk the talk, but actually walk the 
walk!


My heartfelt gratitude--and salutations.

May God bless you!


Chris Vaz




- Original Message - 
From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Update on PIL concerning the city of Panjim



To Goanet -

See -

http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=1964cid=26


Minutes of the meeting with the Chief Secretary on
Tuesday, April 1, 2008

http://www.parrikar.org/misc/CS-meeting-minutes.pdf


Regards,


r

Re: [Goanet] Postings on Goanet

[Chris Vaz]

Freedom of Speech  also requires that the individual accepts 
responsibility to respect the rights, and respect others.  For example, one 
cannot shout Fire in a crowded theater and expect to get away with it.


I think what Nicholas was saying was forbearance on the part of certain 
posters polluting Goanet cyberspace with vacuous (sometimes fatuous) 
postings.  Restraint should be exercised in being critical and sometimes 
abusive of the opinions or views of others.  There is also an aspect of 
gotcha in some of the postings and pyrotechnics and mental gymnastics in 
proving how much smarter some of us as compared to others.  The preenings by 
some peacocks is not only offensive but raises the spectre of what the 
motives really are.  A little humility never hurt nobody!





- Original Message - 
Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

---

Date: 24 Mar 2008 01:40:30 -
From: Nicholas DSouza [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I am getting a little tired of so many vacuous postings on Goanet, many of 
them by individuals who only seem to want their 24 hours in the limelight.



Mario responds:



Dear Nicholas,



It is a good idea to take a nap when getting tired:-))

Re: [Goanet] GMAS's SEZ Hatao Yatra - Day 2 Photos

[Chris Vaz]

   * * *  2007  ANNUAL  GOANETTERS MEET - GOA  * * *

WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa

WHEN: December 27, 2007 @ 4:30pm

More info:

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2007-December/066098.html



Thanks for keeping us informed of the goings on

Regards
Chris


- Original Message - 
From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:36 PM
Subject: [Goanet] GMAS's SEZ Hatao Yatra - Day 2 Photos


 
   * * *  2007  ANNUAL  GOANETTERS MEET - GOA  * * *
 
 WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa

 WHEN: December 27, 2007 @ 4:30pm

 More info:

 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2007-December/066098.html
 
 To Goanet -

 Tue, Dev 11, 2007:

 Day 2 of GMAS's SEZ Hatao Yatra began this morning in the village of 
 Nagzor
 (Pernem taluka).  After stops in Pernem, Korgaon, Mandrem, Siolim and
 Anjuna, the caravan converged at Mapusa for a public meeting.  Speakers at
 this event included, among others, Aires Rodrigues,  Laxmikant Parsekar,
 Amol Navelkar, Floriano Lobo, Shripad Naik, Matanhy Saldanha and Manohar
 Parrikar.

 At Nagzor -

 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/SEZyatra-Day2-1.jpg


 At Pernem -

 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/SEZyatra-Day2-2.jpg


 Section of the Pernem crowd -

 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/SEZyatra-Day2-3.jpg


 Aires Rodrigues speaking at the Mapusa rally -

 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/SEZyatra-Day2-4.jpg


 Matanhy Saldanha is accorded a traditional welcome in Mapusa -

 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/SEZyatra-Day2-5.jpg


 The Mapusa gathering -

 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/SEZyatra-Day2-6.jpg


 The audience at Mapusa -

 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/SEZyatra-Day2-7.jpg


 Manohar Parrikar addressing the rally -

 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/SEZyatra-Day2-8.jpg


 Listening intently -

 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/SEZyatra-Day2-9.jpg


 Goans have been very receptive and the anti-SEZ message has rapidly 
 gathered
 steam.  Tomorrow (Wed, Dec 12), the GMAS caravan wends its way through
 Bardez with halts at Parra, Saligao, Calangute, Porvorim, Salvador do 
 Mundo,
 Pomburpa, Aldona, Moira and Tivim. A public meeting is scheduled at Tivim 
 in
 the evening.

 Warm regards,


 r

 ps: I am not a spokesman for GMAS.
 pps: I am not apolitical.

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Re: [Goanet] Sensational dramatic unfactual statements

[Chris Vaz]

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St. Mary's Convent High school, Mapusa is staging a play titled Lion King
  December 1, 2007 - Hanuman Hall, Mapusa

 to fundraise for a false ceiling for the school hall
 upgrading the school playground

 Headmistress Sr. Namika A.C. / Teacher Mrs. Sonia Noronha
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Great attempt at rewriting history!   Anybody with half a brain knows that 
Joe Kennedy, father of the infamous Ted Kennedy who ran away from the scene 
of an accident which resulted in the death of Mary Jo Koepekne, was a 
leading bootlegger during the Prohibition era in partnership with mobster 
Frank Costello (whence his fortune!) as also through insider trading in the 
stock markets.He also jiggled the polls in Chicago with the help of 
Mayor Daley to get his son JFK elected president.  Ted Kennedy never held a 
productive job in his miserable life or met a payroll -- his wealth is 
derived  from trusts established from the ill-gotten family fortune.




- Original Message - 
From: eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Sensational dramatic unfactual statements


 Joe Kennedy was not a gangster,  not by any stretch. He put crooks out of 
 business when named the first chief of the Securities and Exchange 
 Commission, all we have is Alemao.  He left ALL his wealth to charity, 
 five billion in today's money. Three of his boys gave their lives in 
 srvice to their country, Teddy never claims a salary. They are entitled to 
 some private life, would you like a piece of mine !  They ask us to avoid 
 words that hurt, i hope life has been kind to you in civilized Britain. 
 eric.
 

Re: [Goanet] Horror in Paithona

[Chris Vaz]

I know it is a burdensome chore to continue doing what you are 
doing--chronicling the devastation taking place in Goa and I can appreciate 
your expression of disgust and helplessness!  And I have also noticed some 
sniping at you from the usual suspects!  As I have said before, you are 
doing more than is expected of any normal human being..  But perhaps others 
on Goanet and in Goa who have the time,  the inclination and love for their 
land, can give you an assist.   Lots of Goenkars on this forum have 
expressed their pain and have felt their impotence and  frustration  in not 
being able to do anything.  But I am sure a lot of them would come forward 
with financial wherewithal if there was someone to be a torchbearer.  I, for 
one, pledge to  contribute generously.I realize  it is a heavy burden to 
bear--but if you show willingness and are able to put together a team of 
professionals, environmentalists, lawyers, etc.to stand up to the predators, 
I feel confident that many of us in the diaspora would come forward to put 
up a fight.  It is certainly worth the effort!




- Original Message - 
From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:21 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Horror in Paithona



To Goanet -

I have been taking morning drives through Goan
villages these past few days.  Today I came upon this
heinous sight in Paithona - a large wooded area
cleared for pouring concrete -

http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/paithona-horror-01.jpg

http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/paithona-horror-02.jpg


This violence has effectively finished off the serene,
beautiful village of Paithona, and the assassins are
Chowgule Real Estate  Constructions.



I have said this before: saving Goa is an unequal
fight, between part-time do-gooders and full-time
criminals.  By the time the claque of poseurs comprising
the Task Force for RP 2021 finishes its charade there
won't be much left to save.  I don't know why I even
bother posting these pictures anymore.

Warm regards,


r

ps: Aldeia de Goa has advertisements on the front page
of Navhind Times today.

pps: Villas for NRIs Only soon coming up at Dona Paula.

ppps:  Dear Goans, get ready for that jump en masse into
the Arabian Sea. 

[Goanet] Bobby Jindal elected Governor of the State of Louisiana

[Chris Vaz]

Republican Bobby Jindal has been elected the Louisiana governor after 
beating 11 rivals to be the first politician of South Asian (Indian) origin 
and the country's youngest to become the governor of an American

state.

The Oxford-educated dashing politician will be America's youngest governor 
when he takes charge in January 2008.  No one has won a governor primary 
outright until now in Louisiana.


My mom and dad came to this country in pursuit of the American dream, a 
visibly pleased Jindal told his cheering supporters.  And guess what 
happened.  They found the dream to be alive and well right here in 
Louisiana.


Let's give our homeland.a fresh start, he added, with his wife Supriya 
Jolly by his side, carrying the youngeest of three children.  The American 
dream is alive and kicking!


The victoruy is significant because Louisiana is not home to a large 
Indian-American population unlike some other major swtates.  And yet Jindal 
won, banking on his reputation as one who fixed up the state's healthcare 
system and as a fighter against corruption.


The victory also led to celebrations in his parents' ancestral village in 
faraway Punjab where Gulshan Jindal,m a cousin, said We are really proud 
that Bobby has won the governor'ws race.  He has made us all happy and 
proud.






Credit to: Hindustan Times, Sunday Oct. 21, 2007

[Goanet] Fw: : Great News

[chris]

THE BOMBAY CATHOLICS SABHA
St Michael’s Annexe, Mahim 400 029. Tel: 24463853  email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 17/10/07

 THE BOMBAY CATHOLIC SABHA [BCS ] CONGRATULATES ARCHBISHOP OSWALD GRACIAS,
ARCHBISHOP OF BOMBAY  ON HIS ELEVATION AS THE CARDINAL.

Dear Sabhaites and Friends,

The BCS is  delighted to know of the elevation of Archbishop Oswald Gracias
as the Cardinal and we cannot express in words our excitement to hear this
great news.

When  Archbishop  Oswald Gracias  was appointed to head the Archdiocese of
Bombay, he had remarked that it is an opportunity to serve God, the
Christian Community and the Country in every possible way to build a just
and humane society of brotherhood. When he was ordained a Bishop, he had
taken the motto “ to   reconcile all in Christ” which has been the
hallmark of  his leadership to the Catholic Church in India.

A Doctorate in Canon Law and Diploma in Jurisprudence from the Gregorian
University in Rome, his vast administrative and analytical skills will be
of much and greater use to focus  on strengthening the human bonds of
relationships across communities and religions. A Cardinal with  a warm
smile and humility , The Bombay Catholic Sabha is looking forward to his
moral leadership not only to the Christian community but also to the people
of other faiths.

The BCS offers its  unstinted co-operation to the  Cardinal in the
discharges of his onerous responsibilities both to  the Christian Community
of India and the Nation.

Best Regards,

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Re: [Goanet] Plea to the Mayor of Panjim

[Chris Vaz]

 
 TRI Continental Film Festival - Dona Paula, Goa, Sep 28 - Oct 2, 2007

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For public viewing. Registration at  The International Centre Goa.  (Ph: 
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Goanetters should inundate the mayor and commissioner with our indignation!
Can someone provide emails for these two gentlemen?

BTW Mr. Parrikar, I am impressed with your concern for our land and your 
zeal to propagate the message.  You are doing the Lord's work!

Regards

Chris



- Original Message -
From: Rajan P. Parrikar

 This morning I met the Mayor of Panjim, Shri Tony
 Rodrigues, and drew his attention to some of the
 problems the city currently faces on account of the
 ghati invasion.  I handed a letter to him as as well
 to Elvis Gomes, the city Commissioner.  The following
 five concerns were highlighted: 

Re: [Goanet] Bruised in Iraq, homeless in Delhi

[Chris Vaz]

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That was a snide and undeserved comment about George Bush.

Have we forgotten the killing fields and mass graves under Saddam Hussein?

And Saddam's sons who could pick up any woman off the streets or from their 
homes, at their whim?

Bush may not be perfect like a lot of us--but at least he provided the 
opportunity to the Iraqis for a whiff of liberty and freedom.  Two elections 
have proved that.  It is not Bush's fault if external elements like
AlQaeda and the internicine sectarian violence of Arab against Arab that has 
brought about the mess prevailing there.  We should not dishonor the valiant 
volunteer fighting forces trying to help Iraq by casting abusive 
aspersions...





- Original Message - 
From: Sanny Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's Premier mailing list Est 1994 goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:51 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Bruised in Iraq, homeless in Delhi



  http://www.GOANET.org 





Roaa Sardan Mohammad, 27, wanted to become a scientist.
Instead, she is now working as a domestic help in Vasant Vihar, Rs 500 per
month and a few kilograms of rice being the fruits of her labour. Why? Ask
George W Bush who decided to invade her country Iraq, and in the process, 
kill her
dreams.



A





http://www.hindustantimes.com/storypage/storypage.aspx?id=3b031db4-c5bf-4116-8c91-934faa1b2bd0ParentID=7ad8df1d-4824-4bce-b539-653eba181466Headline=Astronomy+grad+turns+domestic+help+in+Delhi




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Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Please identify these plants/trees/nuts

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Targolla?


- Original Message - 
From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Please identify these plants/trees/nuts


 
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Re: [Goanet] Remo refuses award to protest 'loot' by Goa politicians

[Chris Vaz]

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Congratulations, Remo!

This hopefully will raise the attention of all concerned that the rape and 
pillage of Goa shall not continue-- that there are Goans who, at personal 
cost and sacrifice, will stand up and be counted!  The chhalte ka naam 
ghadi attitude must cease, the corrupt are brought and meted out justice, 
and the land and its beauty preserved for the generations to come...


- Original Message - 
From: Naguesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Remo refuses award to protest 'loot' by Goa politicians




From the Times of India online


 PANAJI: Acclaimed musician Remo Fernandes has refused to accept an award
 from the
 Goa government to protest against what he called the loot of the state 
 by
 its ministers,
 opposition leaders and politicians.




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Re: [Goanet] Have hose, will pee (all over Panjim)

[Chris Vaz]

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Question everything  --  Karl Marx

My question:  What happened to Karl Marx's Utopia?

Chris

Accept but verify  --  Ronald Reagan
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Re: [Goanet] Today's reflections/to Allwyn

[Chris Vaz]

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Bill Maher--

Is this the same guy CNN fired after Bill called the gutless wonders who 
killed 3000 innocent civilians by flying planes into the WTC courageous 
men?


- Original Message - 
From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Today's reflections/to Allwyn


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 --- allwyntc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think it is really interesting that the bible
 story tellers chose,
 as the original sin, eating from the Tree of
 Knowledge.  Can you
 imagine yourself, as a story teller, wanting to come
 up with the root
 cause of all sins, and coming up with the idea that
 the most original
 of them all is simply the desire to know
 (curiosity kills the cat
 :).
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 Hey Allwyn,

 Do you ever catch Bill Maher? I love the guy. He's
 often asked if he'll run for political office to which
 his response is, who would vote for me, my platform is
 Religion is bad, drugs are good. Hey, Bill, I'd vote
 for you :-)

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 www.alexyztoons.com

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Re: [Goanet] Bridge Collapse: We are not alone.

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This is what the left called U.S. Presidents past, including one who is a 
Nobel Peace Prize winner:

TrumanButcher of Hiroshima
Eisenhower  War mongering shark
Johnson   A mafia Boss
Nixon  A petty tyrant
FordA dimwitted football player
Jimmy Carter   A bumbling peanut farmer
Bill Clinton   Oh, wow!  He is one of us!

Mr. Bush, you are in distinguished company--and don't let myopic and 
pusillanimous critics detract you from your appointed task!

Here is what Lt. Gen. Pacepa, the highest-ranking intelligence official ever 
to have defected from the Soviet bloc has to say on the subject:

Western Europe was grateful to the U.S. for having restored its 
freedom, but it had strong leftist movements that we secretly financed. 
They were like putty in our hands.

To read the full unvarnished disclosure about the Communist modus operandi 
to subjugate the Left directly from the horse's mouth,  click on the link 
below:

http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010438


- Original Message - 
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
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When the damage was done, finger pointing began and
the pointing was directed at the White House!


 We know who are to be blamed for the corruption and
 mismanagement in Goa. Who should be blamed for bush's
 incompetence, mendacity and illegal activities?

 Cheers,

 Santosh 

Re: [Goanet] Bridge Collapse: We are not alone.

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Miguel--

It might interest you to know that the State of Minnesota is spending $1 
billion to build a stadium for the Vikings (?) -- a sports team.  The State 
had a $125 Billion Budget for the fiscal year.  The bridge problem was known 
to the Minnesota Department of Transportation for 13 years.  There are 
inspection reports for the years 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2001 and 2006 
pinpointing the deteriorating condition of the hinges and bolts.  The State 
found the money to build the Stadium--but repairs to the bridge?  They could 
wait--with the inevitable result.

I agree with you that this should not be a Democrat/Republican issue.  But 
it is important to make note that these are Democrat-run States just like 
Louisiana (and Kathrina) where money is thrown with gay abandon at social 
problems to buy votes from the minorities and the labor unions.The inept 
Democrat mayor of New Orleans and the equally inept Democrat Governor 
Napolitano (who nefariously beat the Indian candidate Boby Jindal for the 
job) had two days of warnings and 500 buses to evacuate the people from low 
lying areas.  These were not used.  When the damage was done, finger 
pointing began and the pointing was directed at the White House!  Insofar as 
the visit by the president is concerned, you are damned if you do and damned 
if you don't.  He would have been called callous if he did not visit.  When 
the bridge came down the Democrat leaders in the House and Senate 
immediately blamed Bush as the cause because money is spent in Iraq--bear in 
mind, the president had congressional authority to go to war.  This is how 
dirty politics is played even in this great country!

Rgds
Chris


- Original Message - 
From: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goanet Mail list goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Bridge Collapse: We are not alone.


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 Dear Chris,

 My area of interest is not the Republicans v/s Democrats debate, to us
 they are all AMERICANS ! The citizens of USA do not care whether it is
 the Janata Dal-United or the Janata Dal-Secular of Janata Party of
 Bharatiya Janata Party is responsible for the mess in India. To them
 [and most of us in today's India with rampant defections] all

Re: [Goanet] Bridge Collapse: We are not alone.

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Before one jumps to conclusions, it might be helpful   tobear  in  mind 
that the U.S. is not a nanny state like some of  our European 
counterparts.  Bridge maintenance is not a federal problem--it is a local 
issue.  The tax cut enacted by the current administration brought forth a 
gusher in tax revenues.   I am told the State of Minnesota,like most other 
states,had a budget surplus in the area of $2 billion.  They did not spend 
it where it was needed the most.
A  liberal state such as Minnesota is primarily concerned with  issues such 
as income redistribution.  When a catastrophe occurs  they like to point to 
the Iraq war as the cause to divert attention.  It would be pertinent to 
point out that that most of the states mentioned below as being structurally 
deficient with their bridges,are run by Democrats...





- Original Message - 
From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:26 PM
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 Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The good news is that the falling of the Mandovi
 Bridge and later of a smaller Uguem bridge are
 not Third World poverty-and-corruption rlated
 issues any longer. It also happens in the US
 of A !!! ...and the Mississippi flows along.


 Miguel,
 The good folks of the US are spending their tax
 dollars spreading democracy in the Middle East. This
 is done at the cost of doing the repairs of the
 infrastructure in the US.

 The US federal govt declared the Minneapolis bridge to
 be structurally deficient two years ago. However,
 there was no money to repair the bridge as, so far,
 600 BILLION dollars have been spent on M.E. democracy.


 When a bridge collapse in the US, its not an accident.
 Its predicable. Govt inspectors have already flagged
 the bridge unsafe. The levees collapse in New Orleans
 is another example.

 As of December, 2006, 153,871 of the 596,808 bridges
 in the United States were structurally deficient of
 functionally obsolete .

 State:  Percentage deficient/Obsolete
 Washington, D.C.  63%
 Rhode Island  56%
 Massachusetts 52%
 -snip-
 Minnesota 12%

 Source: US Dept of Transportation - Federal Highway
 Administration

 And yes, there is a way you can benefit from this
 state of affairs. If you subscribe to Goanet Finance,
 I will post a list of companies that are certain to
 win contracts when the US Govt finds the money to
 repair its infrastructure. It will, unfortunately,
 take the collapse on another bridge before the action
 starts.

 Mervyn3.0








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Re: [Goanet] Listen to the Original Song - Pitti Pitti Mog. Also, see Antonette then (1963) now (2006)

[Chris Vaz]

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Joe--

I keep on chuckling everytime I view Anthony Mendes and Antonette.  He has
extraordinary rythm  and expression.

Could not open Antonette singing Pitti Pitti Mog!

Regards
Chris


- Original Message -
From: JoeGoaUk 

 Reference to Goanet posts...

 Listen to the Original Song - Pitti Pitti Mog.
 Also, see Antonette then (1963)  now (2006)


 Antonette in 2006
 http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=233099177size=o


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Re: [Goanet] Feni in the US or Canada

[Chris Vaz]

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You might wish to contact Ashok Mathias at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I 
understand he has connections

Good luck!
Chris



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To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:21 PM
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 Hello fellow Goans,

 Does anyone know if one can get Feni/Fenny in the US or Canada? The 
 LCBO
 (Liquor Control Board of Ontario)  did import Fenny from Goa a few years 
 ago
 but they don't do it anymore.

 Bringing back a bottle or two every couple of years doesn't quite cut it,
 especially when folks here like the stuff :-)

 Thanks,

 Kevin
 Cincinnati, OH.

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Re: [Goanet] Death, Aunty Clementine... (Saligao)

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Sincere condolences, FN.  May she RIP

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Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: What April/May month remind you of??

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Thanks for all the nostalgia JoeGoaUK brings.

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Re: [Goanet] Book Launch: Domnic's Goa

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Look forward to the long-awaited publication from Dominic.

Now if we could only know how to place an order--that would be helpful!

Chris




On 4/24/07, Goanet AE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
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 After regaling us with his stories on life in Goa in the 50s, 60s, 70s,
 'AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP' and more, Domnic Fernandes' book is scheduled for
 worldwide release on April 27, 2007 at 5pm at Kala Academy, Black Box,
 Campal, Panaji, Goa


 Abbe Faria Productions
 presents

 DOMNIC'S GOA
 A nostalgic romp through a bygone era

 a book by
 Domnic P. F. Fernandes

 

 Domnic Peter Francis Fernandes is the Internet's find. Since 2003, when he
 began penning his thoughts in cyberspace, he never quite stopped.




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Re: [Goanet] Nehru, Goans, Cooks, Butlers

[Chris Vaz]

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Roland--

The same broken record that referred to Goans as bottler ani cuziners.   I 
merely sought to point out that ahyas were missing from that record.   You 
might have been living in a vacuum if you did not hear the term widely used 
in India after the Goan liberation!

I trust you found Paulo Colaco Dias' earlier contribution to this debate 
illuminating


- Original Message - 
From: Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Nehru, Goans, Cooks, Butlers


 
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 Chris,
 Would you please elaborate which record you are referring to?
 Cheers
 Roland.

 On 2/24/07, Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nehru's quote is incompletely stated.  For the record  he referred to 
 Goans
 (derisively, I believe) as Ayas, butlers and cooks -- ABCs. 

Re: [Goanet] Grenville Pinto: Goan violinist from Toronto

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Mercy--

Grenville is a class act.  If he is a Goan (his bio does not state he is) we 
have reason to be proud and should be celebrating his amazing talent.  We 
could show our appreciation and support by buying his CDs...

Rgds
Chris




- Original Message - 
From: Mercy Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Grenville Pinto: Goan violinist from Toronto


 
 * G * O * A * N * E * T  C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S *
 
  Flat for Sale: Mapuca, Goa (Ansabhat) - 10 min walk to Mapuca Market
  2 Bedroom-Living-Dining-Kitchen-Bath-Balcony-Terrazo Floors
 Great Investment - Winter Getaway
  Asking Canadian $ 31,500/-  or  Indian Rs 10 lakhs

Contact Rosario Fernandes - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Dear Mervyn,
 Thank you very much for sharing Grenville Pinto's violin recordings with 
 us.
 My family and I enjoyed his renditions.
 Mercy Fernandes
 Dallas, TX
 

Re: [Goanet] Nehru, Goans, Cooks, Butlers

[Chris Vaz]

* G * O * A * N * E * T  C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S *

  Flat for Sale: Mapuca, Goa (Ansabhat) - 10 min walk to Mapuca Market
  2 Bedroom-Living-Dining-Kitchen-Bath-Balcony-Terrazo Floors
 Great Investment - Winter Getaway
  Asking Canadian $ 31,500/-  or  Indian Rs 10 lakhs

Contact Rosario Fernandes - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Nehru's quote is incompletely stated.  For the record  he referred to Goans 
(derisively, I believe) as Ayas, butlers and cooks -- ABCs. 

Re: [Goanet] KONKNNI BASIC COURSE

[Chris Vaz]

* G * O * A * N * E * T  C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S *

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   Contact Rosario Fernandes +1 (905) 858-0871

Fr. Naik--

When I was growing up in Goa, we all spoke konkani.  Hem novem konknni 
kedna komes zalem and tajem tradicao (tradition) kitem?  Ani kendr munche 
kitem?  Marathi distha.

I hope you will shed light on this conundrum...

Muito obrigado!






- Original Message - 
From: pratap naik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:11 PM
Subject: [Goanet] KONKNNI BASIC COURSE


 
 * G * O * A * N * E * T  C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S *
 
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   Contact Rosario Fernandes +1 (905) 858-0871
 
 THOMAS STEPHENS KONKNNI KENDR
 B. B. Borkar Road, Alto Porvorim
 Goa - 403 521, INDIA.
 ( (0832) 2415857, 2415864
 Estd. 29-03-1982. Reg. No. 23/Goa/82
 e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 website:www.tskk.org

 February 16, 2007


 KONKNNI BASIC COURSE

 Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr (TSKK) will conduct the Konknni Basic Course
 in Devanagari script from Monday 16th April 2007 to Saturday 15th May 
 2007.
 (both days inclusive) at TSKK premises at Alto Porvorim.  TSKK will 
 conduct
 this course mainly for those who wish to learn Basic Konknni.

 This Course uses a modern linguistic approach to teach Konknni to 
 beginners.
 Though spoken Konknni will get primary stress, reading Konknni in 
 Devanagari
 script will also get the importance.  Hence this course is open to those 
 who
 have a sufficient knowledge of Devanagari script.  This would mean that 
 the
 student must know either Hindi or Marathi or Sanskrit to read sufficiently
 well.  Admissions are based on first come first served basis.  For details
 contact TSKK during office hours.  Contact 2415864, 2415857.


 Pratap Naik, S.J.
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Re: [Goanet] Goan Maids and This Is The America The World Respects

[Chris Vaz]

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I am surprised that this vitriol laced tirade made it into Goanet!

When one starts by carelessly throwing about unsubstantiated calumnies
calling others crackpots, liars, idiots, fools, etc. it is evident that
there is no substantive discourse-- so descend in the gutter by namecalling!

It should be pointed out that people the world over are envious of the
success that America is--and that is why the whole world would like to come
to its shores and hope to be a part of it.  Those who can't make it are
obviously disappointed and look around for excuses to denigrate its leaders!

We are the #1 industrialized nation in the world with a very successful
economy, low unemployment, high wages, a booming stock market, high home
ownership, etc.  This has been the success of the current administration
following upon the initiatives of Ronald Reagan even though Bush took over
after the Clinton recession.

For the record, let it be pointed out that the Hillary-Bill
(two-for-the-price-of-one) presidency was marked by moral depravity and
debauchery.  Hillary and Bill were the principal targets of the Whitewater
investigation -- and Hillary managed to escape indictment by hiring a
platoon of expensive lawyers, faking memory loss, and hiding documents from
the investigators. But fourteen of her cronies, including a former Governor
of Arkansas were indicted.   Bill Clinton was the first ever elected
president of the U.S. to be impeached!  Besides his dalliances with Monica,
he is known to have sold his office for campaign funds (the Lincoln bedroom,
flights on Air Force One, Oval Office coffees, et., etc.).  Yes, almost
forgot, pardons to drug dealers and charlatans like Marc Rich!

America is still the land of the free and the brave.  We have attempted to
liberate 50 million in Afghanistan and Iraq while a lot of other nations are
content to sit on the sidelines and criticize.


- Original Message -
From: Roland Francis


 Therefore when they have governments led by crackpots and liars such
 as Bush, the country's reputation suffers no end. In fact Bush is only
 the latest in a long line of idiot American presidents who have undone
 the country's reputation that the American people have for so long and
 painstakingly built. Somehow when presented with a choice, American
 voters have on several occasions voted for a fool instead of a
 president. I can only hope that in the next term, America will be led
 by a Hilary Clinton or a Barack Obama. 

[Goanet] Does Francis Newton Souza qualify as a 'Great Goan?'

[Chris Vaz]

According to news reports, the works of Indian artists now dominating the 
market have little in common with traditional sculptures or illustrations 
mostly associated with South Asian art.

One top seller is Francis Newton Souza, a painter born in Goa who died in 
2002.  Francis' paintings often feature bold portraits with abstract, 
distorted elements, appear to be highly influenced by Picasso.  His 
painting.Man and Woman recently sold for $1.4 million at Christie's.  It 
was bought by Rajiv Chaudhri, a New York hedgefund manager.  (He also bought 
another painting Mahiasura by Tyeb Mehta for $1.6 million).  Julie Walsh 
of the Walsh Gallery in Chicago which specializes in contemporary Asian art 
says the buying environment for new Indian art is even more frenzied in 
India.  If I hop on a plane and go to Delhi and Mumbai and visit the studios 
of an artist I'm interested in, not only is every single thing sold, but the 
freshly stretched canvases with one mark of paint on them are already sold 
as well, she says.  Other Indian artists selling at top prices are V.S. 
Gaitonde ($1.5 Untitled), Syed Haider Raza ($744,000 Tarangh),  Maqbool 
Fida Husain ($576,000 Sita Hanuman), Ram Kumar ($452,800 Untitled), and 
Atul Dodiya ($216,000 Mirage).

On another note, Shilpa Ray a bluesy howler who grew up in a strict New 
Jersey household where Western music was forbidden, continues making waves 
on the New York music scene.  Her group Beat the Devil recently played at 
Knitting Factory in Manhattan, includes a drummer and bassist and herself on 
harmonium (!) the lead instrument.   She claims I cant sing in any of the 
female keys (!) -- I have the range of an Indian man...whatever that means! 
Yet that background has everything to do with her artistic identity, and not 
only because she was forced to play harmonium and sing from the age of 
eight.  My parents raised me to be incredibly humble and stupidly modest - 
I still hate them for that, because anytime someone criticizes my work, I 
lie awake at night wondering why.  Would Mick Jagger do that?  Shilpa who 
is slim and slight doesn't appear to be someone who would front a band.  Yet 
any such reservations disappear when she steps on stage and lets loose with 
her primal howl-and-rasp on lines that can be interlaced with @#$%!During a 
recent set, she informed the crowd that the show was tanking, then demanded 
alcohol.  When someone from the audience handed her a drink, she thanked him 
sweetly before adding, It better be whiskey, axe!  The music (if it 
can be called that) is a brutal blend of Jazz Age melody and bohemian folk, 
darkened with low end grit and seems to fit the contemporary groove if one 
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Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry

[Chris Vaz]

THINK!  --  IBM mantra

TRUST but VERIFY! -- Ronald Reagan




- Original Message - 
From: Vidyadhar Gadgil

 This matter was debated on Goanet itself some time ago, see
 http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@goanet.org/msg24169.html and related
 messages. So I won't get into it again, except to say that Karl Marx
 apparently said that 'De omnibus dubitandum' was his motto, as his works
 show so well. In fact, his questioning cast fresh light on social reality.


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Re: [Goanet] Pe. Agnel and Dominic Fernandes

[Chris Vaz]

Gabe--

Thanks for the information and your concern.

I am wondering how significant the BMI calculations are.

Here are some statistics for famous athletes:

Mike Tyson   5'11 - 235#
Lennox Lewis 6' 5245#
Michael Moore   6' 2225#
Oliver McCall 6' 2231#
George Foreman 6' 4240#

Of course these are athletes who work out considerably and include aerobics 
in their regimen.  But it is sound advice to control one's weight.

rgds
Chris


- Original Message - 
From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Pe. Agnel and Dominic Fernandes


 On 25/11/06, Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That's one of the advantages of the internet.
 Mario can APPEAR to be a know-it-all
 and 5'2 Chris VAz can claim to be a 6'2 Adonis.
 Hurrah for cyberspace.

 SERIOUS COMMENT: 6' 2'' and 215 lbs is overweight BMI 27.6 heading for
 a heart attack or stroke, check you cholesterol level!


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Re: [Goanet] St Thomas Crucified Upside Down on St. Thomas Mount ?

[Chris Vaz]

Could someone please provide pictures of upside down crucifictions -- I 
would specially like those frothing 'n foaming from the mouth...


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Re: [Goanet] Pe. Agnel and Dominic Fernandes

[Chris Vaz]

Alfred de Tavares wrote:

Are you a faithul prototype of protuberance

Chris responds:

Sorry to disappoint you Tavares (does that stand for protuberant tower?)

I am more in the mold of Dominic--an Adonis in Goan skin -- 6 foot two and 
215 lbs. ;--)

Rgds
Chris


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Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry/to Cornel (3).

[Chris Vaz]

Crnel-

I think it is morally wrong for the government or a socialist/progressive 
welfare state to take my hard earned money and hand it over to the indolent 
unless the person has a physical handicap or is unable to take care of 
himself.   Social engineering and income redistribution has never worked 
anywhere in the world and won't because it does not nurture individual 
enterprise which is the lynchpin that has made America so successful.  In a 
freemarket society we do not need the government to step in and tell 
investors how to invest their money.
Investors take risk with their capital and have the inherent right to pay 
the going wage because we cannot depend on politicians to determine a fair 
wage since poiticians do not create wealth--they only tax and spend to 
satisfy their constituencies-- the more money they raise through taxes the 
more they can buy votes and perpetuate themselves in office.  Nobody 
believes someone can survive on a minimum wage either.  A minimum wage is a 
supply and demand proposition and will find its own level.  There is a 
defacto minimum wage already in place since we have very low unemployment 
and there is a shortage of  people.  As an example, WalMart pays over $9/hr. 
at the entry level which is considerably over the suggested minimum wage of 
$7.25/hr.   What is the rationale for a minimum legislated wage of $7.25? 
Why not raise it to $14.50 or $21.75 or more?  Worker protection  is a 
large reason why European economies are largely stagnant and why injudicious 
labor contracts ensuring guaranteed high wage jobs for low skilled jobs have 
landed the Big3 automakers into impending bankuptcy and have exported 
American jobs.


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Subject: Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry/to Cornel (3).


 Hi Selma
 Thanks for your further well informed response about labour relations and
 the vital need for worker protection at many levels. Yes, I am aware of 
 the
 Goa roots of this discussion.


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Re: [Goanet] FRIDAY BALCAO:Protection of Women from Domestic Violence in Goa.

[Chris Vaz]

Dear Roland Martins:

I am happy your Friday Balcao will be discussing women's protection issues 
as there is a need to air this important subject.  I do, however, recall a 
recent email (from Joe of GoaUK?) wherein he had highlighted some real-life 
instances where men were severly maligned/castrated.   In view of the 
seriousness of the issue of male persecution by predatory females, I trust 
you will also raise this important issue in your forthcoming discussions. 
There is a need to be fair and balanced!

Regards
Chris


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[Goanet] Pe. Agnel and Dominic Fernandes

[Chris Vaz]

 2006 * * * Y  E  A  R * * * O  F * * * T  H  E * * * S  E  N  I  O  R

Goa Sudharop Annual Awards on November 20, 2006 @ Mandovi Hotel @ 4:30pm
Chief Guest: Dr. Asha Vishwanath Sawardekar

A series of essays as a tribute to Goan Seniors can be found at:

 http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=524

Bosco--

Thanks for letting us see the face of Dominic.  I was relieved to see a 
handsome and vigorous visage.  I was beginning to wonder if Goans as 
depicted before were all pot-bellied and ugly like that dog-eating 
totalitarian despot from North Korea Kim Jong Il!  Dominic is a welcome 
relief and a true compliment to the image of Goa.

Rgds
Chris 

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Re: [Goanet] Belated Birthday wishes - Lyrics of Konkani song Babucho Zolmancho Dis

[Chris Vaz]

Dominic--

I have been out of India for some time and Robin Vaz used to occasionally
come across the  meanderings of my past.  I now learn from you that he is
gone.  Very sad!   I met him just once at a picnic in Versova, Bombay.  He
left an indelible mark!  A big guy with an impressive physique and a very
charismatic personality!  Full of life and a bon vivant!  We downed a few
together with others of likeminded  companionship.  We need more like him --
unassuming and down-to-earth even when he had so much to show off if he
chose to!

BTW your last posting about the wedding ceremonies and dances was
sensational and evoked memories.  I shall look forward to more Goa nostalgia
from you.

You are a treasure!

Rgds
Chris

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Re: [Goanet] Mauxi's Kani - now from China

[Chris Vaz]

Gabe--

I do appreciate good beer and in Portuguese Goa as I recall, the premiere
brand consumed was Tennents (I am not quite sure about the spelling)  -- an
Ingliss brew. We had no refrigeration then and it was either drunk straight
warm from the bottle or poured over ice. St. Pauli's Girl was a very
distant second .


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[Chris Vaz]

Would appreciate receiving a Goan recipe for cooking squid (calamari) ...

Also for sambharachi cod'di

Thanks
Chris
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Re: [Goanet] Gratuitous distortion

[Chris Vaz]

Gilbert--

I don't understand why we need a filter (or proxy).  Why doesn't Dr. Jayant 
pick up and throw the cudgels himself?

Chris


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Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:52 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Gratuitous distortion


 Another link by a neuroscientist who is 'way over his head' on what he is 
 trying to say and post about the management of cancer in men.
 One cannot be an expert by just knowing to work the web links and search 
 for references.  One needs to know what is written in those links and 
 referenced papers.
 Most would have forwarded my post to the 'Goan cancer surgery expert' for 
 a response.
 But why should our resident 'all-knowing' expert do that?  As usual, he 
 knows it all.

 I will not continue a dialogue on oncology with a spokesman for an 
 oncologist. Santosh's information and knowledge on cancer now has been 
 reduced to from my conversation with.  Just like one sees what one 
 knows, very likely, one hears what one knows too. To preserve my 
 self-respect, this will be the last post on this subject, unless Dr. 
 Jayant comments on the topic.  I also hope to follow the requests of the 
 moderators.
 Kind Regards, GL

 -- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 The above is a gratuitous distortion of a pertinent comment of a Goan 
 cancer surgeon and researcher, Jayant S. Vaidya. Words (namely, doing 
 nothing) are being shoved in his mouth. Jayant had cited the following 
 research paper to back up his assertion regarding the randomized trial on 
 evaluating the outcome of radical prostatectomy:
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Re: [Goanet] KONKAN CURRY: Crime and Punishment (2)

[Chris Vaz]

Bosco-
It might be crystal clear to you that many of us have understood what 
Roland has had to say.   But my Websters defines snide as mean, cheap / 
obliquely malicious -- and in my opinion that is exactly the manner in 
which Roland gratuitously characterized Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld 
both of whom quite noted (sic) for their self-delusions on American foreign 
policy.Perhaps if cheap shot would be more acceptable than snide I 
would be happy to make that substitution.

Insofar as the intrusion into this thread of discussion on the U.S. 
government, George Bush... perhaps your response might have been better 
addressed to Roland since he brought those enterprises into the equation --  
I merely responded.  I try faithfully to follow Goanet diktat/s :--)

Rgds
Chris


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From: Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: goanet@goanet.org
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] KONKAN CURRY: Crime and Punishment (2)


 On Mon Oct 9 08:51:15 PDT 2006, Chris Vaz wrote:

 This snide remarks unerringly divulges the bias the writer has against 
 the
 Bush administration and goes further to
 divulge what side of the divide he is on without pinpointing
 self-delusions of the two cabinet officers who are
 carrying on the foreign policy dictated by the commander-in-chief.  In
 brief, the writer is indulging in namecalling--
 exactly what Mario accuses his detractors of...without pointing to any
 specifics that can be rebutted.

 RESPONSE: Chris, there is nothing snide in what Roland Francis had to say.
 What he said was in crystal clear English that many of us have understood.

 This discussion is about an article authored by Miguel Braganza. It would 
 be
 appropriate to make comments related to that article. Its obvious there 
 are
 some who have a very narrow view of what they read on Goanet and can only
 take discussion down the same street over and over again.

 For those who may think of responding to this thread - this is not a
 discussion on the US government, George Bush or anybody or anything down
 that alley, so please don't bother responding along those lines.

 Thank you - Bosco
 Goanet Admin
 http://www.goanet.org - where Goans connect

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