[Goanet] An Open Letter
Mervyn, Thank you for your message. I am doubtful whether you have gone through all the exchanges with Santosh before posting this message. Otherwise you would have thought twice before saying what you did. Sometimes our personal equations take precedence over objectivity. Santosh is not the only one with a reputation. Others have one too. And it takes two hands to clap. Building anything requires effort. Destroying is easy. I do not wish to enter into another discussion pointing out the flaws in Santosh's or your post as I am aware where they come from. But rest assured, I am here to contribute positively and constructively. Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731&path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731&page=1&pagecount=2&utm_source=indmail&utm_medium=footer&utm_content=tracking&utm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] An Open Letter
Santosh wrote: What? Now objectivity is a good thing? When did this change of mind occur? Comment: Ai saiba. I tried to tell Mervyn in a polite and tactful way that his friendship with Santosh should not come in the way of his looking at things objectively. And amcho amigo Santosh has totally misconstrued it:-). Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731&path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731&page=1&pagecount=2&utm_source=indmail&utm_medium=footer&utm_content=tracking&utm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] An Open Letter
Mario, I do not doubt nor disagree with you that Santosh is a fine person, a gentleman, a scholar and whatever other glowing adjectives you may wish to describe him. As a fellow goan, I too am proud of him and his achievements. However, he is no God or demigod like some would like us to believe. He is as human like us with the same weaknesses and failings as any of us. He too trips at times. Hence, I have to partly disagree with you based on my experiences with him. If you find the word 'hypocrisy' offensive, I wonder how you would categorise the words 'militant political operative' and 'rumour mongerer' used by him. Does it enhance his standing? However, I take your point. I do not wish to start another thread on this subject. I would rather discus issues than personalities. Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731&path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731&page=1&pagecount=2&utm_source=indmail&utm_medium=footer&utm_content=tracking&utm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] An Open letter
Mervyn Lobo wrote: Marshall,This is one of the bravest posts I have seen on Goanet. I hope things do get constructive going forward. Santosh wrote: I hope the above assertion turns out to be true in the posts to follow. Comment: I would like to repeat my statement once again in case it has not been understood properly. " Rest assured, I am here to contribute positively and constructively" It is a statement of fact and not a resolution. It covers the past, present and future. Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731&path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731&page=1&pagecount=2&utm_source=indmail&utm_medium=footer&utm_content=tracking&utm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] An Open Letter
Santosh: I do not find the word hypocrisy offensive. I would categorize as a simple dispassionate statement of fact, my characterization of Marshall's having engaged in rumor-mongering and in the activities of a political operative.Cheers,Santosh Comment: "The greatness of a person lies not in proving others wrong but in accepting and acknowledging one's own wrongs"- Annonymous Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731&path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731&page=1&pagecount=2&utm_source=indmail&utm_medium=footer&utm_content=tracking&utm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] An Open Letter
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:31:55 +0530 (IST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I do not doubt nor disagree with you that Santosh is a fine person, a gentleman, a scholar and whatever other glowing adjectives you may wish to describe him. As a fellow goan, I too am proud of him and his achievements. > Mario responds: > Marshall, > I said none of the above and I have no idea what Santosh's achievements are. Though all what you say may well be true, please don't put words on my keyboard. What I objected to was your comment that Santosh did not practice what he preached. I wondered how you would know that from half a world away, and then I said that people who had actually met him spoke well of him, unlike what the same people have said about some of his friends and supporters on Goanet whom they have also met. > Marshall wrote: > If you find the word 'hypocrisy' offensive, I wonder how you would categorise the words 'militant political operative' and 'rumour mongerer' used by him. Does it enhance his standing? > Mario responds: > I find any word offensive when it isn't true. > As one who engages in robust denbate myself, I would never dream of squealing my head off at being called a third class citizen if I were one, or a hypocrite if I were one, so, it depends if these appelations are true or not. If what Santosh writes is not true, such statements would not enhance his standing. They could also be easily rebutted by asking him to provide his evidence. If he had none then everyone on Goanet would know he was talking through his proverbial hat. > If he had the evidence, these names would just be true. > For example, if I knew Santosh personally and had evidence that he did not practice what he preaches, I would not take issue with your calling him a hypocrite. I just didn't think you had the evidence. > As you may also have observed, Santosh often engages in wry fact-free hyperbole, which sometimes makes his point, and is sometimes just plain silly as some of his recent series of bogus comments about Barack Obama show, in which he was using sarcasm to show his strong support for Obama and his far left wing philosophy, in my opinion, the same kind of philosophy that caused many of us to leave India. Maybe not Santosh or George Pinto, who joined Santosh in similar comments, but most of us. >
[Goanet] An open letter
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Santosh does not practice what he preaches. > There is a word for this in the English language. It is called HYPOCRISY. marshall, Whether you realize this or not, you have lowered yourself down to the level of personal insults. In my experience, this usually happens when one does not have an argument or when one is losing an argument. Further more, Santosh has been on this forum for more than a decade and there is never been a time when he has not practised what he says. Not once. > Santosh apparently has formed some pre-conceived idea about me. > Therefore anything that I post is like a red red rag to a bull for him. > He just has to find some fault - real or imaginary. Mostly imaginary. Since members of this group are so widely scattered, the reputation one developes is derived solely from the material that you post here. Sadly, from your posts here, my impression is that you are more of a bridge burner rather than a bridge builder. And Goa has enough of bridge burners. Mervyn3.0 __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
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Marshall Mendonza wrote: > > Santosh does not practice what he preaches. There is a word for this in > the English language. It is called HYPOCRISY. > Mario responds: > Marshall, > Tsk, tsk, tsk. I have no idea how you can tell from half a world away what Santosh practices, but I would be careful of such inflammatory invective if I were you, especially with an email address from IndiaTimes.com. Those who have met the man think well of him, even if they disagree with some of what he seems to believe, which contrasts sharply with what the same people think of some other Goanetters they have met. > Judging simply by his posts on Goanet, some choice nouns come to mind. Somehow, hypocrite is not one of them. You obviously disagree. > However, as the only real voice of reason and truth and peace on Goanet, may I make a suggestion: just stick to the facts as you know them, make rational counterpoints to the points made by others, and let your facts and logic speak for you. If you verbally bruise, you lose. > BTW, how did this personal attack get past the Goanet moderators? > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:32:14 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Whether you realize this or not, you have?lowered yourself down to the level of?personal insults. In my experience, this usually happens when one does not have an argument or when one is losing an argument. > Sadly, from your posts here, my impression is that you are more of a bridge burner?rather than a bridge builder. > And Goa has enough of bridge burners. > Mario observes: > In a recent post that had nothing to do with animals on display, Mervyn lowered himself, ...er, was inspired, to write to me, "And please don't try and blame it on the smell from the zoo again. If anything, the smell is coming from your pants being on fire." I guess, from his own experience, he must have been losing whatever argument was going on at the time:-)) > 'Nuff said:-)) >
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--- On Mon, 11/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Sometimes our personal equations take precedence over objectivity. > What? Now objectivity is a good thing? When did this change of mind occur? > >I am here to contribute positively and constructively. > I hope the above assertion turns out to be true in the posts to follow. Cheers, Santosh
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marshallmendonza wrote: > I do not wish to enter into another discussion pointing out the flaws in > Santosh's > or your post as I am aware where they come from. But rest assured, I am here > to > contribute positively and constructively. Marshall, This is one of the bravest posts I have seen on Goanet. I hope things do get constructive going forward. Mervyn3.0 __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
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2008/11/4 Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Marshall Mendonza wrote: >> >> Santosh does not practice what he preaches. There is a word for this in >> the English language. It is called HYPOCRISY. >> > Mario responds: >> > Marshall, >> > Tsk, tsk, tsk. I have no idea how you can tell from half a world away what > Santosh practices, but I would be careful of such inflammatory invective if I > were you, especially with an email address from IndiaTimes.com. Those who > have met the man think well of him, even if they disagree with some of what > he seems to believe, which contrasts sharply with what the same people think > of some other Goanetters they have met. COMMENT: One Goanetter met you and he was not at all complimentry!! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
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Mario Goveia wrote: > In a recent post that had nothing to do with animals on display, Mervyn > lowered himself, ...er, was inspired, to write to me, "And please don't > try and blame it on the smell from the zoo again. If anything, the smell > is coming from your pants being on fire." I guess, from his own experience, > he must have been losing whatever argument was going on at the time:-)) Mpenzi Mario, Everyone cringed when you wrote the following: >> Mervyn himself was a third class citizen in Tanzania. My repose was: > Ah! In the classic McSame style... > Can you provide us with some idea on how you could come up with such > a desperate statement? > And please don't try and blame it on the smell from the zoo again. > If anything, the smell is coming from your pants being on fire. Just like all your desperate attacks on Obama, you have not been able to come up with any justification for your attack on me. Everyone here can see the desperation. Everyone. Please don't be a cry baby, asking the moderators for help only when people catch you with your pants down. Nah! on fire. Mervyn3.0 PS. Obama is going to add Kiswahili and Spanish as official languages of the USA. The world stock markets love him. Gold up and the US Peso down today __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:52:09 + From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > One Goanetter met you and he was not at all complimentry!! > Mario responds: > This is false. I have only met two Goanetters personally and they are both close friends. One of them lives in Goa and has met Gabe and, to put it kindly, does not think much of him. >
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--- On Wed, 11/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > He is as human like us with the same weaknesses and failings as any > of us. He too trips at times. > The above is an accurate characterization of what I am, biologically and psychologically. I wouldn't want to be any different. > >If you find the word 'hypocrisy' offensive, I wonder how you would >categorise >the words 'militant political operative' and 'rumour mongerer' >used by him. >Does it enhance his standing? > I do not find the word hypocrisy offensive. I would categorize as a simple dispassionate statement of fact, my characterization of Marshall's having engaged in rumor-mongering and in the activities of a political operative. Cheers, Santosh
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Are we back in kindergarten? RKN Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:52:09 + From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > One Goanetter met you and he was not at all complimentry!! > Mario responds: > This is false. I have only met two Goanetters personally and they are both close friends. One of them lives in Goa and has met Gabe and, to put it kindly, does not think much of him. >
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2008/11/5 Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:52:09 + > From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > One Goanetter met you and he was not at all complimentry!! >> > Mario responds: >> > This is false. I have only met two Goanetters personally and they are both > close friends. One of them lives in Goa and has met Gabe and, to put it > kindly, does not think much of him. RESPONSE: Both are close friends? Hmm! I have an email stored on my Google account, of what was said about Mario. ( On Google mail, one does not need to delete any emails for life ostensibly) but I shall let this one pass!...but for one thousand dollars, I am willing to sell it? I shall give the guy 500 hundred bucks for breaking trust and we shall both be happy bunnies! Put your money where your mouth is my man, else belt up and crawl, you burenthelo munis. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
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--- On Wed, 11/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "The greatness of a person lies not in proving others > wrong but in accepting and acknowledging one's own > wrongs"- Annonymous > "A man who is happy to have human failings has no illusions of possessing greatness" - Lame Dukor President Pandurang W. Fernandes Cheers, Santosh
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Mario Goveia wrote: > > In a recent post that had nothing to do with animals on display, Mervyn > lowered himself, ...er, was inspired, to write to me, "And please > don't try and blame it on the smell from the zoo again. If anything, the > smell is coming from your pants being on fire."? I guess, from his own > experience, he must have been losing whatever argument was going on at > the time:-)) > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:13:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Everyone cringed when?you wrote the following: >> Mervyn himself was a third class citizen in Tanzania. > Mario responds: > No one cringed other than you. They saw it as a joke with a grain of truth in it:-)) > Besides, it was you who were lecturing Marshall Mendonza to not lower himself to personal insults, which, as I showed, you engage in yourself. > Mervyn wrote: > Just like all your desperate attacks on Obama, you have not been able to come up with any justification for your attack on me. Everyone here can see the desperation. Everyone. > Mario responds: > I have justified everything I have writtena. You will have to pick something specific I wrote about Obama and then show that it was not true, rather than this typical hit and run generality that you seem to specialize in which makes sense only to you. > BTW, you don't get to speak for everyone, especially with your level of veracity which wastes endless bandwidth to correct every day. > Mervyn wrote: > The world stock markets love him. > Mario responds: > Must be the stock market in your dreams, because the actual Dow Jones Industrial Average down today, Wednesday, November 5, the day after Obama was elected, by almost 5%. >
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:47:11 + From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Both are close friends? Hmm! I have an email stored on my Google account, of what was said about Mario. ( On Google mail, one does not need to delete any emails for life ostensibly) but I shall let this one pass!...but for one thousand dollars, I am willing to sell it? > I shall give the guy 500 hundred bucks for breaking trust and we shall both be happy bunnies! > Mario responds: > Let me repeat. I have only met two Goanetters personally. the one who lives in Goa thinks Gabe is a dolt. The other one who lives in America I haven't met for over 35 years. > Gabe is spreading obvious personal calumnies without being able to provide any proof. > Just like his claim that interbank interest rates were 23% way back when and that banks pay each other higher rates than they charge their customers for that money. > Make up your own minds. >
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Roland, I don't think you've been following what has been done, or is being done here. Also, I don't think the issue can be solved by pouring in money, from the diaspora or anywhere else. Finally, on the issue of properties, there is also the unhelpful political reality here (caught between building vote-banks through questionable tenancy laws of the 1960s and 1970s to Bhumiputra attempts in the 2020s... and out and out political racketeering connected with politicians across parties). In Bombay, as you would know, the issues repeatedly coming up suggest a few rotten apples selling off assets built over generations. This is true not just for some religious properties, but also community assets like the 'kudds'. It's more complex than it perhaps seems from a distance. That's all I needed to say. FN [Goanet] Francis roland.francis wrote: > The wishful part of Frederick’s open letter > echoes my thoughts: Archbishop Ferrão has not > done anything significant so far in the areas of > community life.The areas are: 1. Education and > coaching for high level government service. 2. > A significant Catholic presence in healthcare in > the form of a general or specialty hospital > (cancer comes to mind), referral services to > other facilities in India, dental care and the > like.3. A footprint in special needs > (handicapped) education and rehabilitation and > senior services. 4. A strong lay lobby group > for advancement of the community’s political > interests. This means calling out corruption and > opposing unreasonable state and local government > diktats. 5. Consolidating Goa’s communal > harmony and not being silent when this > traditional peace between the two major > communities is suffering from a thousand cuts. I > don’t share Frederick’s hope that the Cardinal > nominee will do any of this now that his new > appointment will require him to be frequent > dashing to Rome on useless expeditions that have > little to do with the welfare of Goan Catholics > or Catholics throughout India for that matter.And > that’s a pity because Goa and its Diaspora has > the resources that can be mustered to meet these > objectives. What is needed is Church leadership. > The existing Catholic political leadership is > mostly bankrupt and corrupt.Roland.Toronto. ᐧ
[Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan
Statutory Warning : The letter below is written in an extremely satirical vein. All the characters and events described therein are entirely fictitious and the remotest resemblance to any real persons/events is entirely co-incidental.Furthermore,the contents of the letter could be harmful for those without a "humour" centre in their frontotemporal lobes. Dear Rajan,I have been following your contributions on Goanet with an ever increasing sense of nausea. You are obviously a hardcore BJP/RSS recruitreeking of "Hindutva" who does not care a damn about Goa. I agree entirely with Roland that your pro-BJP stance is absolutely unforgivable.Why do you not take a leaf out of the " valiant,forthright and amazingly far sighted " as well as " entirely apolitical " Congress supporters and expose all the mistakes made by Manohar Parrikar and the BJP ( just like all these Congress fans are so quick to point out the few minor errors made by their near blemishless leaders ) ??? You say you will not defend the indefensible.I can bet,however,that you and your cronies on Goanet will try to dispute the following indisputable facts : 1) Manohar Parrikar and the BJP came to power by backstabbing Francisco Sardinha and Dr Wilfred D'Souza ( both of whom are the cleanest and most principled politicians in Goa...apart from Digamber Kamat who is of course the next best thing to God ).No Congress goverment in Goa (or for that matter anywhere in India ) has ever come to power using such tactics. 2) Manohar Parrikar's term in Goa was marked by total anarchy in the administration ( in stark contrast to the perfection achieved by the Congress goverment,espescially since the end of BJP rule ).Thanks to Pratapsinh Rane and even more due to the magic weaved by Digamber Kamat, Goa is already past the requirements of being termed a model state, with a superb educational and health system (with the pristine Goa Medical College leading the way ),24 hour uninterrupted water and electricity,roads like billiard tables,a public transport system which would be the envy of any western country and rapidly falling prices of essential commodities ( the high quality wheat rationed out was praised by the Pravda recently ) 3) About communal harmony during BJP rule,the less said the better.While the extent of communalism during Parrikar's rule has been never fully estimated,who can forget the razing down of the Bishop's palace,the way scores of houses in Fontainhas that were burnt down,the historic 12th century place of worship in Curchorem which was destroyed using 21st century cannons ? What was particularly sickening was the release in all major cinemas of a totally fabricated historical film claiming that all Hindu's in Goa were originally Jewish and were forced to convert to Hinduism by the Kadamba dynasty tyrants.And if this was not enough,the BJP took the atrocious decision that only Hindu's would have holidays on important religious days celebrated by other communities.Contrast this with the Congress policy of not only maintaining communal harmony but going well out of the way to look after the interests of the minorities. Not satisfied with this,the Congress has been ensuring even lesser communal problems for the future by re-adjusting Goa's demographics by encouraging more and more people to come and settle in certain areas ( which also means that the huge surplus Goa has in infrastruture terms being fully utilised) 4) Above all, can you deny that Manohar Parrikar is a dictatorial personality in comparison to whom the likes of Hitler and Stalin look like gentle hearted Tibetan Monks ?. How is it that during the BJP regime there were no major agitations in Goa, unlike the massive protests that have been permitted by the Congress against such minor snags in governance like the regional plan 2011 and the SEZ imbroglio ?Surely,there were much bigger scams during BJP rule and unless the "valiant,forthright and amazingly far sighted " ( and of course, "entirely apolitical" ) activists in Goa were either being held in concentration camps or being threatened by the SS type organisation that Mr Parrikar had created,these great souls would have set up a Virodhi Manch and Bachao-ed Goa from this tyrant ? Perhaps,Rajan,you have been misguided and biased towards supporting this despisable person and his organisation because of the highly biased Pro-Manohar Parrikar and Pro-BJP rantings of the Goan newsmedia ,who ordinarily write with freedom from fear and herald good tidings.This of course is purely because Mr Parrikar supressed the scribes by ordering his secret police to torture them ( in secret chambers which had been created in the cellars of Hindu temples). This torture process proabably included evisceration of certain parts of their anatomy, forever rendering them impotent in their abilities to report in an unbiased manner.My sincere request to you is to change your ways immediatly
[Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary & Primary School Education & Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- I don't think the Virgincar's of Goa need any introduction. I remember them to be a business family. I may have even bought some hardware items from the Panjim outlet. I may not be that old, but I think a Radhakrishna Naik would be a Goa - Not a Radhakrishnan Nair. Cheers Agnelo Fernandes UAE -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:23:31 +0530 From: "Radhakrishnan Nair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Dr Anand Virgincar " :-) Never came across a "Virgincar" in Goa. Must be another fake id. Let me hazard a guess. What does that surname means? Someone who loses his virginity only in the back seat of a car? I've come across many Chodankars though. Khushwant Singh once wrote in his "Malice" column after a holiday in Goa that one could not live anywhere to the north of the Vindhyas with the name "Chodankar" :-) Cheers, RKN
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"Dr Anand Virgincar " :-) Never came across a "Virgincar" in Goa. Must be another fake id. Let me hazard a guess. What does that surname means? Someone who loses his virginity only in the back seat of a car? I've come across many Chodankars though. Khushwant Singh once wrote in his "Malice" column after a holiday in Goa that one could not live anywhere to the north of the Vindhyas with the name "Chodankar" :-) Cheers, RKN
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--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary & Primary School Education & Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- Here it is..I was wondering why it took so much time for Goanet intellectuals to find out another fake Id Cheers Yogesh Munich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Radhakrishnan Nair Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan "Dr Anand Virgincar " :-) Never came across a "Virgincar" in Goa. Must be another fake id. Let me hazard a guess. What does that surname means? Someone who loses his virginity only in the back seat of a car? I've come across many Chodankars though. Khushwant Singh once wrote in his "Malice" column after a holiday in Goa that one could not live anywhere to the north of the Vindhyas with the name "Chodankar" :-) Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan (RKN)
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary & Primary School Education & Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Dr Anand Virgincar " :-) Never came across a "Virgincar" in Goa. Must be another fake id. My response:- Do we need a certificate from madrassis subscribing to Goanet whether name "Virgincar" is of a goenkar or bhailo ? Regards Vinay
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--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary & Primary School Education & Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- "Radhakrishnan Nair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote "Dr Anand Virgincar " :-) Never came across a "Virgincar" in Goa. Must be another fake id. Let me hazard a guess. What does that surname means? Someone who loses his virginity only in the back seat of a car? I've come across many Chodankars though. Khushwant Singh once wrote in his "Malice" column after a holiday in Goa that one could not live anywhere to the north of the Vindhyas with the name "Chodankar" :-) Cheers, RKN RESPONSE: Well I must say one must be a Goan to identify Goan surnames. I have heard virgincar surnames many of the times and its not any fake surname. Only I can say is Think twice before you pen down your opinion about anyone. And regarding taking out meaning of virgincar in english is foolish act, as it is a Goan surname it has hardly got anything to do with English. Hope you know that? its a very cheap level of criticizing anyone on their surnames. If I step into your shoes I would say better change your name to RadhaKrishna Liar. Anyways congrats for joining the group of posters on goanet who try to label "fake" for the posters who doesn't match with their opinions or views. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary & Primary School Education & Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- Kamalaksh Chari wrote: Well I must say one must be a Goan to identify Goan surnames. And here I always thought Chari was a Tamilian! Reena Kamalaksh Chari wrote: > --- > http://www.GOANET.org > --- > > Symposium on Pre-Primary & Primary School Education & > Primary School Students Chess Tournament > > More information at: > > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html > --- > > "Radhakrishnan Nair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > "Dr Anand Virgincar " :-) Never came across a "Virgincar" in Goa. > Must be another fake id. > > Let me hazard a guess. What does that surname means? Someone who loses > his virginity only in the back seat of a car? > > I've come across many Chodankars though. Khushwant Singh once wrote in > his "Malice" column after a holiday in Goa that one could not live > anywhere to the north of the Vindhyas with the name "Chodankar" :-) > > Cheers, > RKN > > RESPONSE: > Well I must say one must be a Goan to identify Goan surnames. > I have heard virgincar surnames many of the times and its not any fake > surname. > Only I can say is Think twice before you pen down your opinion about anyone. > And regarding taking out meaning of virgincar in english is foolish act, as > it is a Goan surname it has hardly got anything to do with English. > Hope you know that? its a very cheap level of criticizing anyone on their > surnames. If I step into your shoes I would say better change your name to > RadhaKrishna Liar. > Anyways congrats for joining the group of posters on goanet who try to label > "fake" for the posters who doesn't match with their opinions or views. > > Regards, > > Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary & Primary School Education & Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- Reena Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Kamalaksh Chari wrote: Well I must say one must be a Goan to identify Goan surnames. And here I always thought Chari was a Tamilian! Reena RESPONSE: The problem with you people(RKN, Reena & likeminded co.) is that you click on send button before veryfying the facts about your posts & when you know tou made a big mistake you people HONESTLY admit it, & then you are applauded for admitting that you made an mistake and you become Heroes or Heroines on goanet. Secondly it is also because lack of knowledge about Goan culture, history, etc due to which you tend to make statements & predictions which are totally false. This inturn raises questions, queries, doubts in the minds of people on goanet, creating the endless lists of unnecessary posts. Regarding Chari community, well it is spread all over India not only restricted to particular region or state. In Mharashtra, Gujarat, we use Sutar or Panchal as our surnames. In other parts Vishwakarma is used as surname, and other surnames in rest of India. In Madras(or TN or Chennai or south India) we are known by Chari surname. So that might have created a doubt in your mind that Chari's are Tamilian. Any ways from next time onwards please verify your statements in your posts before clicking on send button. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan
Why waste your breath, Mr Chari? I was right, afterall, even if partially-- at least by your own admission! Reena Kamalaksh Chari wrote: > --- > http://www.GOANET.org > --- > > Symposium on Pre-Primary & Primary School Education & > Primary School Students Chess Tournament > > More information at: > > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html > --- > > Reena Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > Kamalaksh Chari wrote: > Well I must say one must be a Goan to identify Goan surnames. > > And here I always thought Chari was a Tamilian! > Reena > > RESPONSE: > The problem with you people(RKN, Reena & likeminded co.) is that you click > on send button before veryfying the facts about your posts & when you know > tou made a big mistake you people HONESTLY admit it, & then you are > applauded for admitting that you made an mistake and you become Heroes or > Heroines on goanet. > Secondly it is also because lack of knowledge about Goan culture, history, > etc due to which you tend to make statements & predictions which are totally > false. This inturn raises questions, queries, doubts in the minds of people > on goanet, creating the endless lists of unnecessary posts. > Regarding Chari community, well it is spread all over India not only > restricted to particular region or state. In Mharashtra, Gujarat, we use > Sutar or Panchal as our surnames. In other parts Vishwakarma is used as > surname, and other surnames in rest of India. In Madras(or TN or Chennai or > south India) we are known by Chari surname. So that might have created a > doubt in your mind that Chari's are Tamilian. Any ways from next time > onwards please verify your statements in your posts before clicking on send > button. > > Regards, > > Kamalaksh
[Goanet] An open letter to Goan Catholics
I spent three years of my college life in Panjim. Being of Shasti origins, my best friend from San Jose d'Ariel and I, would routinely make a trip to Margao every weekend. There we would spend endless hours at Peter Stores, buying knickknacks we didn't need and then heading to Loughinos for a falooda and sausage pao. On our weekend binge into town, being hormonally-charged teenagers at the time, we would try to elicit as much eve-teasing as possible from teenage boys, feeding into our insecure budding egos. The fear of being accosted or assaulted rarely entered our minds. Those days are long-gone. Today, eve-teasing in Margao is occasion for full-scale communal riots and anticipation of these riots, is reason enough to bring in swords by the dozens. The Goan Catholic cannot cope with this. The male of our species has been emasculated by centuries of Sunday Mass sermaos. He has neither swords, nor koitos nor the inclination with which to rise in protest. The female of our species is educated and emancipated. She wants nothing more than to get on with her professional and family life. In this morass that Goa has become of hurt religious sensibilities and communal tensions, Goan Catholics have no place. Sadly, I urge you to go to the nearest embassy you can find, whether Canada, Portugal or New Zealand and apply for citizenship. Don't let the fear of the West keep you for applying. You are already bi-cultural. Your children's transition to a Western culture will be fluid. It is the best thing for your children's safety. I write this with all sadnes for my beloved Goa and Goans. selma
[Goanet] An open letter to Goan Catholics
Hi All, I wanted to include only part of the text below, but the whole of it is worth reading again. My brother in law said that his late father (tarvoti) had said to him, 'all Goans should go abroad'. When he came abroad (through his wife), he said, 'now, I know my father was right to say that. All Goans should go aborad'. Where is my brother in law now? in Goa. Has been there for the last 15 years, he loves Goa. Do 'I' want to be in Goa - YES. 1000 times YES. Destiny dictates otherwise. ED. - Selma said, I spent three years of my college life in Panjim. Being of Shasti origins, my best friend from San Jose d'Ariel and I, would routinely make a trip to Margao every weekend. There we would spend endless hours at Peter Stores, buying knickknacks we didn't need and then heading to Loughinos for a falooda and sausage pao. On our weekend binge into town, being hormonally-charged teenagers at the time, we would try to elicit as much eve-teasing as possible from teenage boys, feeding into our insecure budding egos. The fear of being accosted or assaulted rarely entered our minds. Those days are long-gone. Today, eve-teasing in Margao is occasion for full-scale communal riots and anticipation of these riots, is reason enough to bring in swords by the dozens. The Goan Catholic cannot cope with this. The male of our species has been emasculated by centuries of Sunday Mass sermaos. He has neither swords, nor koitos nor the inclination with which to rise in protest. The female of our species is educated and emancipated. She wants nothing more than to get on with her professional and family life. In this morass that Goa has become of hurt religious sensibilities and communal tensions, Goan Catholics have no place. Sadly, I urge you to go to the nearest embassy you can find, whether Canada, Portugal or New Zealand and apply for citizenship. Don't let the fear of the West keep you for applying. You are already bi-cultural. Your children's transition to a Western culture will be fluid. It is the best thing for your children's safety. I write this with all sadnes for my beloved Goa and Goans. selma __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] An open letter to Goan Catholics
I totally disagree with this doomsday suggestion & defeated attitide. Every place as its positives & negatives; and I am saying this with confidence after travelling to many parts of the World; particularly the West and having also being a permanent resident of Goa. Instead of taking easy route of complaining & saying all the "Cant Do's" lets look at "Can Do's" instead. I believe if we look at latter we can definetely do wonders for Goa; our home least we forget!! Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] An open letter to Goan Catholics To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I spent three years of my college life in Panjim. Being of Shasti origins, my best friend from San Jose d'Ariel and I, would routinely make a trip to Margao every weekend. There we would spend endless hours at Peter Stores, buying knickknacks we didn't need and then heading to Loughinos for a falooda and sausage pao. On our weekend binge into town, being hormonally-charged teenagers at the time, we would try to elicit as much eve-teasing as possible from teenage boys, feeding into our insecure budding egos. The fear of being accosted or assaulted rarely entered our minds. Those days are long-gone. Today, eve-teasing in Margao is occasion for full-scale communal riots and anticipation of these riots, is reason enough to bring in swords by the dozens. The Goan Catholic cannot cope with this. The male of our species has been emasculated by centuries of Sunday Mass sermaos. He has neither swords, nor koitos nor the inclination with which to rise in protest. The female of our species is educated and emancipated. She wants nothing more than to get on with her professional and family life. In this morass that Goa has become of hurt religious sensibilities and communal tensions, Goan Catholics have no place. Sadly, I urge you to go to the nearest embassy you can find, whether Canada, Portugal or New Zealand and apply for citizenship. Don't let the fear of the West keep you for applying. You are already bi-cultural. Your children's transition to a Western culture will be fluid. It is the best thing for your children's safety. I write this with all sadnes for my beloved Goa and Goans. selma -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:15:22 +0100 From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Decline of Panjim, and expanding slums in Goa To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2008/7/7 Sandeep Heble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dear all, > > After going through the TOI report, I guess we all owe Rajan an apology. > > All this time, we were foolish to think that Rajan was "Anti-migrants". > > We now learn that because of Rajan's Petition, not only will the city > be much cleaner than before but the migrants too will have decent > toilets whenever they want to answer the calls of Nature. While we > are only paying lip-service to their sympathetic needs, Rajan is > genuinely working to give this poor community a better life. Pravin > always used to tell me that Rajan in reality is not the same person as > he appears on the Forum. How Rajan would often advice the migrant > Labourers to educate their children so that this community could > prosper in the future, etc. > > Now we really know that Pravin was right and we were all wrong. Let's > ignore his harsh words. Through his actions, it is quite apparent that > Rajan is indeed making conditions favourable for Migrants and their > living. > > As the phrase goes, Actions speak Louder than words! > > Cheers > Sandeep RESPONSE: I just read that there is a place in India which pays People to use its toilets, perhaps the same should be done in Goa, pay everyone to come over and have a pee or a shiii! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:05:48 +0100 (BST) From: JOHN MONTEIRO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] A Trip Down Memory Lane To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thank you Rajiv, Its always nice to experience someone else's memories in the way the author has described here. Was this you? A Trip Down Memory Lane was very nice & very pleasant for me to read, especially when the author mentioned the two lives of the youth & the older man. I like the way that the author put a neat separation between the two people, the 20-year old & the 50 y
[Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Wendell, At the outset let me say that I have no part for the views of Averthanus. His is a blinkered understanding of social morality anchored in a kind of narrow thinking that would be cured instantly with a few months of stay in any liberal society. I would particularly recommend to him lodgings in Church Street which is a name resounding with poetic justice, of a street that is favored by the gay community of Toronto and claimed as their own. One day I might elaborate on the interesting features of Church Street that is so aptly named, as it is the headquarters of both the Catholic Diocese of Toronto, the Bishop's House as well as the ancient traditional haunt of the Anglican and United Church of Canada congregations shared by the vibrant Toronto gay community. What delicious irony! However, I digress as my post is not intended to be a description of the tourist rounds in Toronto. I find it strange that your post had to come via the good offices of Cecil Pinto, who has seen fit to add that he is your good friend. Did you find it so difficult to have been informed by Cecil that a simple email address would have seen your post directly read by Goanet readers, or have you a more compelling reason. But let me hasten to the main point of my post. We have all heard of why gays are gays. That they were born that way and that they cannot help it. Personally I believe you. I sincerely hold the view that being gay is a genetic predisposition. That one, has no choice in the matter. But you must know that realistically, the jury is out on the fact. That there are as many scientists and intellectuals who argue that gays have a choice and that they exercised it in favour of homosexuality as there are scientists and intellectuals who convincingly say the opposite. I have heard the classic argument that given the hostility and social persecution of gays, why would one want to admit being a gay, unless one had no choice being gay. You have achieved what you have achieved in the world of fashion due to your skill and talent and the exploitation of your potential. And I use exploitation in a good sense. What I do not understand is your condescension. What is the necessity of describing Avertanus as "older people". Is that not the same discrimination of his age (how do you know it?) as it is of your sexual preference? What is the reason for saying that Averthanus is "not getting enough"? Have you been privy to his sexual abilities, opportunities and exercise thereof? Could you not have made an argument without getting into his personal life or is it that your argument was weak and needed some props and diversions. While I am on the subject, please tell me why every homosexual has a pressing necessity of informing the world of his sexual inclinations. By all means go to communal baths. By all means use the public washrooms for purposes other than than for which they were built. We will turn the other way. Just as we would turn if we see a heterosexual couple "making out". What you and they do is their business. I have no intention of informing anybody of whether I am homosexual, bi-sexual or heterosexual. That is restricted to my bedroom and to my partner. Therefore I do not understand why anybody else has to see fit to tell me what their preferences are. It makes no difference to me and I would rather I not be advised. Your statement that "under all emotions of sexuality is also the larger emotion of love" fills me with mixed sentiments and memories. As a younger man I did not feel any emotion of love in many of my my sexual dalliances that were the result of youthful larks. I assure you that my partners at the time were of similar minds. Any more than the latest incident of Larry Craig the US senator showed love as the underlying emotion when he waved a piece of toilet paper under the bathroom stall to the man in the next stall as a kind of invitation to a sexual encounter. With regards to you irrespective of your preferences, Roland. On 9/8/07, Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The response below is sent by my good friend Wendell Rodricks. He was > unsure how exactly to post to GoaNet and asked me to forward this on his > behalf. Wendell can be contacted directly on > > - > > Dear Averthanus, > > I do not like to write letters like these to older people but I am provoked > to do so here > > Your views on sexuality are so ou
[Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks
http://www.GOANET.org TRI Continental Film Festival - Dona Paula, Goa, Sep 28 - Oct 2, 2007 http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricontinental/tricon.htm Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Roland Francis wrote: I find it strange that your post had to come via the good offices of Cecil Pinto, who has seen fit to add that he is your good friend. Did you find it so difficult to have been informed by Cecil that a simple email address would have seen your post directly read by Goanet readers, or have you a more compelling reason. Roland has raised a lot of other points which I am sure Wendell, and others, will respond to. I have forwarded him Roland's 'Open Letter' to Wendell as he doesn't subscribe to GoaNet. As I had forwarded Averthanus' nonsense regarding 'consensual sex' and this posting of mine. I regularly forward stuff from GoaNet (and other public content groups I am subscribed to) to people who might be interested in reading/posting. Not everyone is interested in reading all GoaNet postings. Wendell sent his response from Paris, where his latest collection met with a fantastic response. Wendell is self admittedly not so computer savvy and I sometimes help out with Internet research and such stuff. I posted Wendell's response on his request and on his behalf because he asked me to do so by e-mail. He was no longer available online and I was unable to convey to him that he could post it directly to GoaNet even despite not being a subscriber. For the purpose of speed and convenience I posted it myself as I have done previously for other people. I hope that answers your totally pointless question, designed no doubt to bring some doubt as to the authenticity of Wendell's response originating from Wendell himself. And yes I see it fit to emphasize that Wendell is a good friend of mine. Unlike certain overseas Goans who think they are the cats whiskers and are always running down people here in Goa including their own relatives - who are in fact trying to avoid meeting them. But lets not get distracted from the main issue. I am proud to call Wendell a close friend for many reasons. But below is the text of the introductory address I gave at Black Box in Kala Academy at the launch of the book Domnic's Goa on 27th April 2007. It should give you some idea of the man I call a friend. All that seems to be clouding your vision, Roland, is his sexuality. Text of Introductory Address - Some three years back I was going through my GoaNet Daily Digest when I came across a detailed description of a Ladain (or Litany) written by some Domnic Fernandes, based in Saudi Arabia. It was in Konkani, and what followed was a translation in English. It was an amazing read. In the true tradition of the story teller Domnic rambled on and on, and jumped from one topic to another, and threw in some songs and in general informed and entertained. I immediately dashed off to Domnic an e-mail of admiration for his style of writing, as well as asking him to write more such stuff. Apparently I was not the only person. Dozens of others had also written similarly. So Domnic started writing in earnest of the Goa he knew while growing up in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Taking a specific topic each time he related in detail the events of those times. And of course being the story teller he is Domnic would go off on a tangent and come back to the point much later in the narrative. In the course of the last three years Domnic has built up a fan following of thousands of Goans all over the world who look forward to the next installment in his continuing writing efforts. A year back because of repeated requests from his readers Domnic was set to compile all his articles in a book format. I agreed to help him publish it. He gave me all the matter he had written thus far. I turned to Frederick Noronha to edit these series of articles into a book. Fred pointed out that even after editing we had matter enough for three books at least. So we chose a few topics only, and decided to come out with just one book first and depending on the response more would follow. Domnic Cordo agreed to illustrate the book and you must agree has done a very good job. After months of to-and-fro of editing, proof reading, re-editing, typesetting, designing, re-designing etc etc. what emerged is this book you now see. We hope you will enjoy it. I would also at this point like to explain why we chose Wendell to have the honour of releasing the book. Wendell is not here in his capacity as a celebrity or a fashion designer. In fact he is not even here in his capacity as a writer. Wendell does write a very fine monthly colum
[Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO WENDELL RODRICKS
http://www.GOANET.org TRI Continental Film Festival - Dona Paula, Goa, Sep 28 - Oct 2, 2007 http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricontinental/tricon.htm For public viewing Registration at The International Centre Goa Ph: +91 (832) 2452805 to 10 Online Media Partner: http://www.GOANET.org Dear Readers, Leave Wendell alone , it's his private life and i think it's not right for any one to infringe on his privacy. Topics can be discussed on the net but i personally feel not to the extent of defaming someone. The moderator/management of Goanet should judge for themselves how to scrutinize such topics before it's published on the net. Bonefacio
[Goanet] An Open letter to Goan Parents.
Yet again I see Goa's parochial views come to the fore, as if to prove to the world that we live in the back of beyond. Everytime the victim or alleged victim is a young women, Goans seem bent on questioning the parenting skills of these unfortunate girls. Goans, please don't wear your hypocrisy on your sleeves. Please, first tell us where are the fathers and mothers of all those girls that board at Carmels and other hostels? Are they not young girls too, who are left alone to do as they please, because their Goan parents work in the Gulf? Please tell us also where are fathers of all those boys who roam the streets on their bikes, flashing money and spending like there is no tomorrow? Perhaps their fathers are onboard ships, bearing the brunt of callous customers. Perhaps their fathers are enduring the heat of the Arabian sun. In anycase, a whole generation of young men and women have grown up now, without fathers, without mothers, in the custody of aging grand-parents, sometimes worse still left in the care of Carmelite nuns. We too have been guilty of leaving our children alone, but we've had to do it, to fill our bellies. perhaps these "foreigners" have their own reasons as to why they are single-handedly bringing up children. Should we sit in judgement of them? As a Goan girl who finished her college in Goa, let me tell you, your sons and daughters are no better than those of these "foreigners". Your sons and daughters are doing exactly what these Western girls and boys are doing. Except you don't know it. And if you do know it, you prefer to blind yourself to the truth, always assuming that your own Shanna boy or Baby-girl would never do such a thing. The truth is, adolescent hormones are not so discriminatory. They run wild in everyone. As a Goan mother of a small Goan girl, I am no more capable of protecting her from the pedophiles or the rapists of this world, than I am of stopping the tide. I cannot hide her from the world, I cannot incarcerate her in an ivory tower to keep her safe. She has her own life to live, she has her own path and destiny to find, her own exploration and experimentation to engage in. I can only wish for her safety. I can only hope that the mothers of sons have done their job, in raising responsible men. So please stop blaming "outsiders", they are parents just like you and me, trying to do their best in this confusing world in which they have little control. Best, Selma
[Goanet] An Open letter to Goan Parents.
Thanks Selma I read it twice. ..about the parents Thought provoking Some more of it please! Quote: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-October/083008.html
[Goanet] An Open letter to Sonal Shah
Santosh: The dishonest smear tactics begin by citing a strained trivial association, such as the fact that you have belonged, no matter how nominally or in how unrelated a context, to a religious community, cultural organization or political party whose extremist members have committed crimes Comment: 1.Refer below links to know and understand how 'trivial' and 'nominal' was the association. http://www.pragoti.org/node/2442 http://communalism.blogspot.com/2008/11/no-point-denying-sonal-shahs.html 2.Santosh would do Sonal a favour if could advise his friends in the sangh parivar to be a little more circumspect in tom-toming their association with Sonal and her family and their expectations from her in her new role.Refer http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov112008/scroll2008100142.asp http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Will_Sonal_Shah_give_Narendra_Modi_visa_power/rssarticleshow/3690558.cms 3.Just a thought. Would members of the Nazi party be considered innocent of war crimes if they did not directly order any killings but remained passive while members of their party were involved? 4.I am sure investigations will sooner or later throw up the truth about the extent of Sonal's involvement with the VHP and her role in it. If she comes out unscathed, we can all take justifiable pride in an Indo American occupying an important position in the White House. Regards, Marshall -- The New Maruti A-Star is here. View pics, videos, read expert opinion and more on ZigWheels.com http://images.zigwheels.com/b2cam/a_star.html
[Goanet] An Open letter to Sonal Shah
Mario Goviea: Everyone on Goanet knows Santosh is a MAHA-atheist and thus someone who has about as many "friends" in the Sangh Parivar as you or Fr. Ivo. Response: Without discussing Santosh in any way, I submit it is perfectly possible for one - whether he be an atheist or agnostic or believer to have friends across the various divides without professing their beliefs. Friendships can cut across class, caste, creed or colour lines. Further Sonal Shah's links with the VHP have emanated from the RSS itself who have claimed proximity to her and her family. They also expect her to get Narendra Modi's visa restored. And just to add to your knowledge, the Ekal Vidyalaya's for whom Sonal's parents are actively mobilising funds are the fronts of the VHP which have been in the forefront of the violence in tribal areas whether in the Dangs or Kandhamal or elsewhere. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] An Open letter to Sonal Shah
Mario Goviea wrote: Everyone on Goanet knows Santosh is a MAHA-atheist and thus someone who has about as many "friends" in the Sangh Parivar as you or Fr. Ivo. Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:31:37 +0530 From: "Marshall Mendonza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Without discussing Santosh in any way, I submit it is perfectly possible for one - whether he be an atheist or agnostic or believer to have friends across the various divides without professing their beliefs. Friendships can cut across class, caste, creed or colour lines. Mario observes: The problem with this sophistry is that you described Santosh as a "friend" of the Sangh Parivar, with no evidence to support your assertion. I simply pointed out that this was as likely as you being a friend of the Sangh Parivar. From what I have seen he is simply challenging your facts, and you are jumping to conclusions which have nothing to do with the facts. That's why I asked you to stay on point. Marshall wrote: Further Sonal Shah's links with the VHP have emanated from the RSS itself who have claimed proximity to her and her family. They also expect her to get Narendra Modi's visa restored. Mario observes: I don't consider such a claim by the RSS as evidence of anything. Besides, as a grown woman who has lived in the USA since before you were born, it is specious to lump her in with her family, unless you have some credible evidence that she shares their views - which has denied. I have several intellectually challenged family members who are on the opposite side of the political spectrum from me:-)) Marshall wrote: And just to add to your knowledge, the Ekal Vidyalaya's for whom Sonal's parents are actively mobilising funds are the fronts of the VHP which have been in the forefront of the violence in tribal areas whether in the Dangs or Kandhamal or elsewhere. Mario responds: If true, this would add to my knowledge of Sonal's parents. It would not add anything to my knowledge of Sonal. You need to be able to provide some evidence of Sonal's involvement instead of insinuating her involvement based on the involvement of others. This entire attempt to smear her only caught my eye because I have see NO direct connection between Sonal Shah and mob-violence in India. Neither the original Open Letter nor any of your posts have made the connection. You are all trying to smear her based on the alleged actions of others. Believe me, as a political opponent of Sonal Shah and the new American administration, I have no political interest in defending her. However, I saw at first hand how her political party and their supporters tried to demonize Sarah Palin during the last political campaign, and not a single insinuation and innuendo against Palin were found to be true. Such attempts at character assassination will always be opposed by me, whether against an ally or an adversary. There are enough facts on which I can confront the new administration without stooping to attacking the character of one of their foot soldiers without any credible evidence.
[Goanet] An open letter to Digambar bab
Before you put up a candidate for Lokh Sabha elections from South Goa , please try to understand the geography of Salcete in particular. Salcete is divided into east and west portions. The easy runs from Guirdolim, Macasana, Curtorim, Raia, Loutulim, Verna, Sancoale and Chicalim but west Salcete has an overwhelming electorate that can make a difference. If all you think is Alsu or Forsulo, well i leave it to your imagination.
[Goanet] An Open letter to Rahul Gandhi
Please read the following link. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/an-open-letter-to-rahul-gandhi/28986/1 Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] An open letter to Heta Pandit
Dear Heta, The following was posted on GoaNet by the Frederick Noronha, the feudal / semi-feudal Lord of GoaNet: "Thanks Heta for doing something that we "Goans" long neglected. Of course, you will get paid mostly in the currency of ingratitude and insult! " Now, I believe that you have been in Goa long enough to know that the above statement by Frederick is not only boorish and unfortunate but also a misrepresentation of the Goan psyche. Why would Goans be (mostly) ungrateful and insulting to you - if you are good to them, which I believe you are? I personally believe that Goans who are not naive would mostly likely challenge you if you were a controlling or matlabi misrepresenter, which I believe you are not. If I remember correctly, Antonio Salazar was a control freak. He was reportedly efficient and personally honest, but a control freak all the same. He too was often hurt when he was rightfully criticised. But that, I submit, is for another day. I end with gratitude for (what I know of) your work, BTW: Do you not feel that you have lived long enough in Goa to be considered a Goan? If so, I wonder why Frederick has excluded you by referring to the we"Goans". jc ps: Have not yet read your History book. If there is such a book and it is reasonably fair and balanced, please accept my advance congratulations.
[Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO VIJAI SARDESAI
Dear Vijai, I wrote to you last year after your grand betrayal of Goa and Goans on 11th March 2017. You did not care to reply but as a true Goenkar, I humbly write to you once again, a year later on the eve of 2018 Easter Sunday with a heavy heart, a very heavy heart indeed! But, I have no choice … Having once been your very close friend, in speaking out I may be hurting you, your two MLAs Jayesh Salgaonkar, Vinod Paliencar and our common friend Rohan Khaunte, but by maintaining silence I would be hurting thousands of Goans across Goa and also failing in my duty to stand up for something that is intrinsically wrong. The people of Goa had thought and hoped that you were the future of Goa. They were all for your promised : Goem, Goenkar & Goenkarponn. In 2017 they supported you thinking that you were a beacon of hope to fight the Corruption, nepotism and the U turns of the BJP. Goans were also very upset with the Congress for the manner you were then ill-treated. I had myself publicly condemned the Congress for it. But last March the audacity in which you betrayed your Goem, you shocked every Goenkar, and you chose to selfishly forsake your very own Goenkarponn. In the lightning speed in which you selfishly embraced the BJP overnight, you committed the mother of all U turns. You disgraced yourself, your family, your Constituency and most importantly your Goa. The great Goan and your uncle, the late Ravindra bab Kelekar and your late dear sister our great poet Madhavi must have rolled in heavenly abode over the manner you so rashly and cunningly took Goa and Goans for a ride. You cannot and will never ever be trusted by Goans again. Even by your now New York parked idol Manohar Gopalkrishna Parrikar, who as he always does, will treat you as a purchasable commodity to be used and disposed off. I am infact stunned that you dared trust Manohar Parrikar, someone who had publicly spewed very nasty venom against you and even tried his best to implicate and arrest you in that Louis Berger case. You, Jayesh Salgaonkar, Vinod Paliencar and Rohan Khaunte have chosen to face the public wrath and condemnation for the rest of your lives. Your’ll have deeply hurt every Goan. But despite your betrayal, Goa will overcome and survive to see Goem, Goenkar and Goenkarponn. Let me leave you with those worthy words of Billy Graham, “When wealth is lost, nothing is lost; when health is lost, something is lost; when character is lost, all is lost”. Your very now heartbroken and once great well-wisher, Aires Rodrigues Advocate High Court C/G-2, Shopping Complex Ribandar Retreat, Ribandar – Goa – 403006 Mobile No: 9822684372 Office Tel No: (0832) 2444012 Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com Or airesrodrig...@yahoo.com You can also reach me on Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues Twitter@rodrigues_aires www.airesrodrigues.com
[Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO VIJAI SARDESAI
Dear Vijai, I wrote to you last year after your grand betrayal of Goa and Goans on 11th March 2017. You did not care to reply but as a true Goenkar, I humbly write to you once again, a year later on 2018 Easter Sunday with a heavy heart, a very heavy heart indeed! But, I have no choice … Having once been your very close friend, in speaking out I may be hurting you, your two MLAs Jayesh Salgaonkar, Vinod Paliencar and our common friend Rohan Khaunte, but by maintaining silence I would be hurting thousands of Goans across Goa and also failing in my duty to stand up for something that is intrinsically wrong. The people of Goa had thought and hoped that you were the future of Goa. They were all for your promised : Goem, Goenkar & Goenkarponn. In 2017 they supported you thinking that you were a beacon of hope to fight the Corruption, nepotism and the U turns of the BJP. Goans were also very upset with the Congress for the manner you were then ill-treated. I had myself publicly condemned the Congress for it. But last March the audacity in which you betrayed your Goem, you shocked every Goenkar, and you chose to selfishly forsake your very own Goenkarponn. In the lightning speed in which you selfishly embraced the BJP overnight, you committed the mother of all U turns. You disgraced yourself, your family, your Constituency and most importantly your Goa. The great Goan and your uncle, the late Ravindra bab Kelekar and your late dear sister our great poet Madhavi must have rolled in heavenly abode over the manner you so rashly and cunningly took Goa and Goans for a ride. You cannot and will never ever be trusted by Goans again. Even by your now New York parked idol Manohar Gopalkrishna Parrikar, who as he always does, will treat you as a purchasable commodity to be used and disposed off. I am infact stunned that you dared trust Manohar Parrikar, someone who had publicly spewed very nasty venom against you and even tried his best to implicate and arrest you in that Louis Berger case. You, Jayesh Salgaonkar, Vinod Paliencar and Rohan Khaunte have chosen to face the public wrath and condemnation for the rest of your lives. Your’ll have deeply hurt every Goan. But despite your betrayal, Goa will overcome and survive to see Goem, Goenkar and Goenkarponn. Let me leave you with those worthy words of Billy Graham, “When wealth is lost, nothing is lost; when health is lost, something is lost; when character is lost, all is lost”. Your very now heartbroken and once great well-wisher, Aires Rodrigues Advocate High Court C/G-2, Shopping Complex Ribandar Retreat, Ribandar – Goa – 403006 Mobile No: 9822684372 Office Tel No: (0832) 2444012 Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com Or airesrodrig...@yahoo.com You can also reach me on Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues Twitter@rodrigues_aires www.airesrodrigues.com
[Goanet] An Open Letter to Narendra Modi
Here’s the full text of the open letter written by 49 senior Indian bureaucrats: We are a group of retired civil servants who came together last year to express our concern at the decline in the secular, democratic, and liberal values enshrined in our constitution. We did so to join other voices of protest against the frightening climate of hate, fear and viciousness that the ruling establishment had insidiously induced. We spoke then as we do now: as citizens who have no affiliations with any political party nor adherence to any political ideology other than the values enshrined in our Constitution. We had hoped that as someone sworn to upholding the Constitution, the government that you head and the party to which you belong would wake up to this alarming decline, take the lead in stemming the rot and reassure everyone, especially the minorities and vulnerable sections of society, that they need not fear for their life and liberty. This hope has been destroyed. Instead, the unspeakable horror of the Kathua and the Unnao incidents shows that the government has failed in performing the most basic of the responsibilities given to it by the people. We, in turn, have failed as a nation which took pride in its ethical, spiritual and cultural heritage and as a society which treasured its civilisational values of tolerance, compassion and fellow feeling. By giving sustenance to the brutality of one human being against another in the name of Hindus we have failed as human beings. The bestiality and the barbarity involved in the rape and murder of an eight year old child shows the depths of depravity that we have sunk into. In post-independence India, this is our darkest hour and we find the response of our government, the leaders of our political parties inadequate and feeble. At this juncture, we see no light at the end of the tunnel and we hang our heads in shame. Our sense of shame is all the more acute because our younger colleagues who are still in service, especially those working in the districts and are required by law to care for and protect the weak and the vulnerable, also seem to have failed in their duty. Prime Minister, we write to you not just to express our collective sense of shame and not just to give voice to our anguish or lament and mourn the death of our civilisational values – but to express our rage. Rage over the agenda of division and hate your party and its innumerable, often untraceable offshoots that spring up from time to time, have insidiously introduced into the grammar of our politics, our social and cultural life and even our daily discourse. It is that which provides the social sanction and legitimacy for the incidents in Kathua and Unnao. In Kathua in Jammu, it is the culture of majoritarian belligerence and aggression promoted by the Sangh parivar which emboldened rabid communal elements to pursue their perverse agenda. They knew that their behaviour would be endorsed by the politically powerful and those who have made their careers by polarising Hindus and Muslims across a sectarian divide. In Unnao in UP, it is the reliance on the worst kinds of patriarchal feudal mafia dons to capture votes and political power that gives such persons the freedom to rape and murder and extort as a way of asserting their own personal power. But even more reprehensible than such abuse of power, it is the response of the state government in hounding the victim of rape and her family instead of the alleged perpetrator that shows how perverted governance practices have become. That the government of UP finally acted only when it was compelled to do so by the high court shows the hypocrisy and half-heartedness of its intent. In both cases, Prime Minister, it is your party which is in power. Given your supremacy within the party and the centralised control you and your party president exercise, you, more than anyone else, have to be held responsible for this terrifying state of affairs. Instead of owning up and making reparations, however, you had until yesterday chosen to remain silent, breaking your silence only when public outrage both in India and internationally reached a point when you could no longer ignore it. And even then, while you have condemned the act and expressed a sense of shame, you have not condemned the communal pathology behind the act nor shown the resolve to change the social, political and administrative conditions under which such communal hate is bred. We have had enough of these belated remonstrations and promises to bring justice when the communal cauldron is forever kept boiling by forces nested within the Sangh Parivar. Prime Minister, these two incidents are not just ordinary crimes where, with the passage of time, the wounds inflicted on our social fabric, on our body politic and the moral fibre of our society will heal and it will soon be business as usual. This is a moment of existential crisis, a t
[Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO VIJAI SARDESAI
13th March 2017 Dear Vijai, I write this with a heavy heart, a very heavy heart indeed! But, I have no choice … Having been your friend, in speaking out I may be hurting you, your two MLAs Jayesh Salgaonkar, Vinod Palyekar and our common friend Rohan Khaunte, but by maintaining silence I would be hurting thousands of Goans across Goa and also failing in my duty to stand up for something that is intrinsically wrong. The people had thought you were the future of Goa. They were all for your: Goem, Goenkar & Goenkarponn. They supported you thinking that you were a beacon of hope to fight the Corruption, nepotism and the U turns of the BJP. Goans were also very upset with the Congress for the way you were ill-treated. I had myself publicly condemned the Congress and Luizinho Faleiro for it. But now you have betrayed your Goem, you have shocked every Goenkar, and you have forsaken your very own Goenkarponn. In the lightning speed in which you embraced the BJP overnight, you have committed the mother of all U turns. You have disgraced yourself, your family, your Constituency and most importantly your Goa. The great Goan and your uncle, the late Ravindra bab Kelekar and your late dear sister our great poet Madhavi must be rolling in heavenly abode over the manner you have so rashly and selfishly taken Goa and Goans for a ride. You cannot and never will be trusted by any one again. Even by your new found idol Manohar Gopalkrishna Parrikar, who as he always does, will treat you as a purchasable commodity to be used and disposed off. I am infact stunned that you dared trust Manohar Parrikar, someone who has publicly spewed nasty venom against you and even tried his best to implicate you in the Louis Berger case. You now have two options. You, Jayesh Salgaonkar, Vinod Palyekar and Rohan Khaunte should gracefully resign as MLAs and seek a fresh mandate by contesting on a BJP ticket. As an alternative the four of you have the choice of facing the public wrath and condemnation for the rest of your lives. You’ll have deeply hurt every Goan. But despite your betrayal, Goa will overcome and survive to see Goem, Goenkar and Goenkarponn. Let me leave you with those words of Billy Graham, “When wealth is lost, nothing is lost; when health is lost, something is lost; when character is lost, all is lost”. Your very heartbroken once well-wisher, Aires Rodrigues Advocate High Court C/G-2, Shopping Complex Ribandar Retreat, Ribandar – Goa – 403006 Mobile No: 9822684372 Office Tel No: (0832) 2444012 Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com Or airesrodrig...@yahoo.com You can also reach me on Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues Twitter@rodrigues_aires www.airesrodrigues.com
[Goanet] An open letter to Narendra Modi
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/an-open-letter-to-narendra-modi/article6022900.ece?homepage=true -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan (RKN)
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary & Primary School Education & Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- On 23/01/2008, Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Dr Anand Virgincar " :-) Never came across a "Virgincar" in Goa. Must be another fake id. Let me hazard a guess. What does that surname means? Someone who loses his virginity only in the back seat of a car? Dear RKN, It is quite OK for you to say that you have "Never came across a "Virgincar" in Goa". That might be the absolute truth. It does not follow that there are no Virgincars in Goa. FYI - It is a well known surname in Goa...esp in the field of Business. Any Goan would know that. jc
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan (RKN)
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary & Primary School Education & Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- RKN Bhaují, You have, verily..verily dropped a mighty CLINKER! Virgincars/kars) non-existant in Goy. A highly respected name. In Comba, Margao, easily a hundred will give their address as near Virgincars mansion. A glance at even our perenially inadequate tele-rag would have preempted your blunder. But courage my friend. You are not out of pale of Goykarness. A little more interaction with Rajan, Cecil & co will yet get up to scratch. &, I am always at beck & call. Alfred de T > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:22:41 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > goanet@lists.goanet.org> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] An Open > Letter To Rajan (RKN)> > On 23/01/2008, Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote:> "Dr Anand Virgincar " :-) Never came across a "Virgincar" > in Goa.> Must be another fake id.> > Let me hazard a guess. What does that > surname means? Someone who loses> his virginity only in the back seat of a > car?> > > Dear RKN,> > It is quite OK for you to say that you have "Never > came across a> "Virgincar" in Goa". That might be the absolute truth.> > It > does not follow that there are no Virgincars in Goa.> > FYI - It is a well > known surname in Goa...esp in the field of Business.> > Any Goan would know > that.> > jc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan (RKN)
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary & Primary School Education & Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- To Goanet, Why do we assume that certain people are fake just because we haven't heard their surnames. I think we got to think before posting and censuring. Truth Liberates Nigel Britto
Re: [Goanet] An open letter to Goan Catholics
Hi Selma, Are you sure you're not falling into the trap of those who want us to believe that our religious identities are the most important aspects, and that "minorities" don't belong? Such a logic doesn't work for too long, as election results have repeatedly shown. Even Pakistan is paying the price of religious intolerance and extremism. FN Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: this morass that Goa has become of hurt religious sensibilities and communal tensions, Goan Catholics have no place. Sadly, I urge you to go to the nearest embassy you can find, whether Canada, Portugal or New Zealand and apply for citizenship. Don't let the fear of the West keep you for applying. You are already bi-cultural. Your children's transition to a Western culture will be fluid. It is the best thing for your children's safety. I write this with all sadnes for my beloved Goa and Goans.
Re: [Goanet] An open letter to Goan Catholics
Dearest Selma, Would you please put in a word for me at any prefered Embassy nearest to you? That will take a lot of running around for me to do. I think I will take your advice, having resisted this urge for such a long time, UNLESS (:- you use your good offices with the Archbishop of Goa & Daman to convince him that henceforth the Sunday Services in every church and chapel should be converted into the training camps to teach girls and boys how to effectively wield sharpened swords which can separate the head from the shoulders in one go. Maybe, I can take the contract to supply the swords and not look for a visa. :-) B/rgds floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 5:44 PM Subject: [Goanet] An open letter to Goan Catholics Those days are long-gone. Today, eve-teasing in Margao is occasion for full-scale communal riots and anticipation of these riots, is reason enough to bring in swords by the dozens. The Goan Catholic cannot cope with this. The male of our species has been emasculated by centuries of Sunday Mass sermaos. He has neither swords, nor koitos nor the inclination with which to rise in protest. The female of our species is educated and emancipated. She wants nothing more than to get on with her professional and family life. In this morass that Goa has become of hurt religious sensibilities and communal tensions, Goan Catholics have no place. Sadly, I urge you to go to the nearest embassy you can find, whether Canada, Portugal or New Zealand and apply for citizenship. Don't let the fear of the West keep you for applying. You are already bi-cultural. Your children's transition to a Western culture will be fluid. It is the best thing for your children's safety. I write this with all sadnes for my beloved Goa and Goans. selma
[Goanet] An Open Letter to Dr. Leo Rebello
An Open Letter to Dr. Leo Rebello Dear Dr. Rebello, It gives me great pleasure to inform you that I have crossed the target, which you were looking for You had complimented me on my poems on gulf-goans Newsletter on 1st Sept. 2002. I have the copy of your email and posting to gulf-goans newsletter (Goa-world.com) and on the goanet.org simultaneously so that the netters would know the text exactly which you were pleased to write 6 years back. HERE IS THE TEXT . Subject: Here is complimenting Lino Dourado for beautiful poems in Konkani Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 I would like to compliment Lino B. Dourado (Utorddekar-Kuwait) for writing very good poems in Konkani. Keep writing more such poems please. If he continues writing such high quality poems and complete at least 100- maybe we could compile them and recommend them for Sahitya Akademi Award. I have so far read two. I look forward to reading another 98 or more. If you run short of topics, ask me Best Wishes Dr. Leo Rebello (As posted on gulf-goans e-Newsletter) Writing Konkani poems and articles on various topics was a hobby since my childhood. Yours, as well as other fans encouragement gave me the confidence to carry my hobby on the net so that every Global Goans should be able to identify by our mother tongue Konkani. I am enlisting of my poems below. Before I conclude I would like to thank you and all my fans for devoting your precious time to read my poems and Konkani articles including (Aitaracheo Katkutleo). I reckon that is the greatest award for me from you. I take this opportunity to sincerely say a big Dev Borem Korum to all Konkani lovers. Moi mogan Lino Dourado [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1) ADEUS 2) AGA PAVSA 3) AGO SUNDOREA 4) AICHE BHIKARI 5) AICHO KARNAVAL 6) AICHO MONIS 7) AILEM TUM? 8) ALI HANSUN GELI RODDUN 9) AMBO 10) AMCHEM GOEM 11) ANI MAGTANA 12) ATM AVOR 13) AVAZ NASLELI KILLONCH 14) BOLKANVACHEA HUMBREAR 15) BOLLI 16) BORI VAGNNUNK 17) DONVON 18) DHOR VADDTANA 19) DUXIT 20) EK CHITT 21) EK GOYKAR SORGINCHEA DARVONTEAR 22) EK YAD 23) EK XIDDKAVNNI SORGAR THAVN 24) FAVO THOIM DIVNCHEM 25) FESTA DISA 26) GOYKAR AMI 27) GOYKAR 28) GOYKARAM MODDEM 29) GORIB GIREST NATALAM 30) GOY KAL ANI AIZ 31) HANV MONTRI ZALAM GA 32) HELLO UNCLE 33) HIXIR ZALO 34) INTERNET 35) JEZUK MELLUNK ZAI? 36) KAL ANI AIZ 37) KAVLLO RODDTA TEDNAM 38) KRIST KHOIM ASA? 39) KON TUM? 40) KONNACHI CHOLI KAI? 41) KONNUCH NANT? 42) KOUNCHECHIM KANKNNAM 43) KRISTAK PORTUN KHURSAR KHILAITAT 44) MHOJE AVOIK MAUXI NAM 45) MHOJEM VALENTINE 46) MONNEAPONNAN 47) MONTREACHM NATALAM 48) MONTREANCHO NATAL DANS 49) NATALANCHO KUNSVAR 50) NIDDDUKAI 51) NIKAL 52) NIMNNEM GIT 53) NIMNNO YEVKAR 54) NOKHETR 55) NOVEA VOSACHEM MAGNNEM 56) NOVEA VORSACHO CHUMB 57) OXO EK MOG ASLO 58) PAVSACHEA RATRI 59) PELETODDI PAVNCHEA ADIM 60) PINZREM NAXILLEM DAR 61) PORINNAM 62) PORMOLL UBTOKOCH 63) POROT AILI PIDDA 64) POROT KENNA YETLEM? 65) PRATHONAM 66) PROTIMA 67) PULIS OHIKARACHEM KUMSAR 68) PUNN AMI 69) PUNN 70) REXEADD BANGDDE 71) RUCH YETOCH 72) SUDD 73) SAIBACHEA FESTAK 74) SAIKOLL CHOLOITANAM 75) SANG MHAKA 76) SANG MOGRE ULOI MOGRE 77) SIOLIM-CHOPDEM PULACHEM RUDAN 78) SOBIT GOEM MHOJEM 79) SORPATEL 80) SUKNNEM 81) SUNDOREACHO BEIJ 82) TALLNNI 83) TEDNA ANI ATAM 84) TOKLEN GORIB TE 85) TOLLMOLLTAM 86) TUJI VATT POLLETANA 87) TUJEA AVAZAK AXELAM 88) TUKA YEVKAR DIUNK 89) TUKA KOBOR ASA? 90) TUKACH RAVTAM 91) TUTTILLIM LHARAM 92) UDKAM 93) VOGDDAM VIKALIM 94) XACUTI 95) XANTICHEA PARVEAKUI DAUKULAM ASAT 96) ZEZARNNICHO KOMBLO 97) XINN 98) YEO SUNDORE MOGAN NACHU-IA 99) YEO VEGIM 100) ZAP MELLOT? 101) ZOKOM http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gulf-goans_yahoogroups_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=Lino+B.+Dourado - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >That one, has no choice in the matter. But you must >know that realistically, the jury is out on the fact. >That there are as many scientists and intellectuals >who argue that gays have a choice and that they >exercised it in favour of homosexuality as there are >scientists and intellectuals who convincingly say the >opposite. > The above is not true. There are very few scientists with genuine expertise in the relevant field, who argue that being gay is a matter of choice. The few who do, do so because of their personal ideological beliefs. The evidence for an innate homosexual predisposition substantially outweighs that for it being simply a learned behavior. As far as mere opinion is concerned, especially that of intellectuals with no specific expertise in the field, it is entirely worthless. Cheers, Santosh --- http://www.GOANET.org --- ECAP 2007 - Computer Society of India - Goa Chapter inaugurates its 15th Exhibition of Computers & Allied Products at Hotel Mandovi, Panaji at 9:30am on Sep 8, 2007 at the hands of Mr. M. N. Rao - Advisor & Director (IT) Department of Computer Science - Government of Goa. All are cordially Invited ---
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Roland, Your post has instigated me to get back on the GoaNet bandwagon after a summer hiatus which included an unexpected trip to Goa to bury my Dad. My sincere appreciation to all the Goanetters who sent messages of condolence and to Fredrick and Miguel who were very helpful to me on my short trip. Having met Wendell in Lisbon this summer, I feel compelled to respond on his behalf as I know he doesn't have the time or inclination to monitor GoaNet and is kept informed of pertinent issues by Cecil, therefore the response via Cecil. I also find it interesting that you acknowledge the biological underpinnings of homosexuality but consider the 'jury still out'. There are just as many intellectuals who consider gays have a choice as there are scientists who believe that God created the world in seven days. And they are both wrong. The reason that the LGBT community sees the necessity of a 'Gay Pride Parade' is not to shove it in the face of the conservative community but to let all know that the discrimination and condescension they have experienced over the ages, particularly by those who live their lives according to outdated scripture, will no longer hang over them. Mainstream films like 'Brokeback Mountain' reveal the emotional turmoil that the small minority of our society with a different sexual orientation undergo every day of their lives. Unfortunately, within the Catholic church, celibacy is the only accepted option for a devout gay member. I was truly impressed by Wendell's devotion exhibited on a trip to Fatima during the Goan Convention in Lisbon. If I had any faith left, I would put it in Wendell over Averthanus any day. Sincerely, Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. == Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 01:01:17 -0400 From: "Roland Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks Wendell, At the outset let me say that I have no part for the views of Averthanus. His is a blinkered understanding of social morality anchored in a kind of narrow thinking that would be cured instantly with a few months of stay in any liberal society. I would particularly recommend to him lodgings in Church Street which is a name resounding with poetic justice, of a street that is favored by the gay community of Toronto and claimed as their own. One day I might elaborate on the interesting features of Church Street that is so aptly named, as it is the headquarters of both the Catholic Diocese of Toronto, the Bishop's House as well as the ancient traditional haunt of the Anglican and United Church of Canada congregations shared by the vibrant Toronto gay community. What delicious irony! However, I digress as my post is not intended to be a description of the tourist rounds in Toronto. I find it strange that your post had to come via the good offices of Cecil Pinto, who has seen fit to add that he is your good friend. Did you find it so difficult to have been informed by Cecil that a simple email address would have seen your post directly read by Goanet readers, or have you a more compelling reason. But let me hasten to the main point of my post. We have all heard of why gays are gays. That they were born that way and that they cannot help it. Personally I believe you. I sincerely hold the view that being gay is a genetic predisposition. That one, has no choice in the matter. But you must know that realistically, the jury is out on the fact. That there are as many scientists and intellectuals who argue that gays have a choice and that they exercised it in favour of homosexuality as there are scientists and intellectuals who convincingly say the opposite. I have heard the classic argument that given the hostility and social persecution of gays, why would one want to admit being a gay, unless one had no choice being gay. You have achieved what you have achieved in the world of fashion due to your skill and talent and the exploitation of your potential. And I use exploitation in a good sense. What I do not understand is your condescension. What is the necessity of describing Avertanus as "older people". Is that not the same discrimination of his age (how do you know it?) as it is of your sexual preference? What is the reason for saying that Averthanus is "not getting enough"? Have you been privy to his sexual abilities, opportu
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Well Well Well. At the outset let me say that after I went through this post, I made a trip upstairs ( I work from my basement) to fix a stiff drink. I needed that because all the memories of my younger days as a sailor boy came flooding back like a Tsunami. Name any place in the world, for me it was fun, even in Japan, to scout out homos. But Genoa (Italy) realy took the cake. A line of beautiful gals at the strike of dusk wooing customers on a busy side street. But then they were not gals at all. And I had learnt the trick. Just a flick of the tongue and there used to be a stampede - GALS?? No Sir. They were frogs. I have never heard more CARA MIAs from frogs then from real gals. All said and done, I do respect how Wendell feels. I also do respect Averthanus. Most of all I respect Roland Francis for his exemplary discourse. I second Roland in saying that 'Let us remain private as much as we can until we are exposed' Defending oneself and one's ways of life comes natural, like a sting of a scorpion on the snout of a killer prairie mouse. The world is made up of all sorts of people. And it must be understood that there is no need to bring JESUS CHRIST or any other good man of yore into these discussions. They were the actors and they played their part and have gone. We are the actors and actresses. Let us play our part, in fairness or in darkness and let us pass off to leave the field or rather the stage clear for the future actors and actresses to do what they have to do. floriano - Original Message - From: "Roland Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks > Wendell, > At the outset let me say that I have no part for the views of > Averthanus. His is a blinkered understanding of social morality > anchored in a kind of narrow thinking that would be cured instantly > with a few months of stay in any liberal society. I would particularly > recommend to him lodgings in Church Street which is a name resounding > with poetic justice, of a street that is favored by the gay community > of Toronto and claimed as their own. One day I might elaborate on the > interesting features of Church Street that is so aptly named, as it is > the headquarters of both the Catholic Diocese of Toronto, the Bishop's > House as well as the ancient traditional haunt of the Anglican and > United Church of Canada congregations shared by the vibrant Toronto > gay community. What delicious irony! However, I digress as my post is > not intended to be a description of the tourist rounds in Toronto. > > I find it strange that your post had to come via the good offices of > Cecil Pinto, who has seen fit to add that he is your good friend. Did > you find it so difficult to have been informed by Cecil that a simple > email address would have seen your post directly read by Goanet > readers, or have you a more compelling reason. > > But let me hasten to the main point of my post. > > We have all heard of why gays are gays. That they were born that way > and that they cannot help it. Personally I believe you. I sincerely > hold the view that being gay is a genetic predisposition. That one, > has no choice in the matter. But you must know that realistically, the > jury is out on the fact. That there are as many scientists and > intellectuals who argue that gays have a choice and that they > exercised it in favour of homosexuality as there are scientists and > intellectuals who convincingly say the opposite. I have heard the > classic argument that given the hostility and social persecution of > gays, why would one want to admit being a gay, unless one had no > choice being gay. > > You have achieved what you have achieved in the world of fashion due > to your skill and talent and the exploitation of your potential. And I > use exploitation in a good sense. > > What I do not understand is your condescension. > > What is the necessity of describing Avertanus as "older people". Is > that not the same discrimination of his age (how do you know it?) as > it is of your sexual preference? > > What is the reason for saying that Averthanus is
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks
http://www.GOANET.org TRI Continental Film Festival - Dona Paula, Goa, Sep 28 - Oct 2, 2007 http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricontinental/tricon.htm Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Dear Cecil Thank you for all you said. People do not belkeive when I say I am not net savvy. But the truth is just that I have not seen what Fr Loyola has said but I am conscious of what the conetnets may be. I have met him and he is a good man. In fact I have met Averthanus and I am surprised that a gentleman like him can confuse or club together issues as diverse as prostitution, peddophilia and homosexuality. It is bizzare I have long resigned to the fact that the Church publicly must make the correct noises. And I agree wth them. If tomorrow they suddenly say that abortion or gay rights should be respected it would unleash a reign of sodomy, pregnancies and orgies. So I accept their stance. What I dont accept is when the moral high ground is passed on to people like Averthanus. NO ONE can take the place of God and judge ANYONE. That role is left to GOD alone. We are mere mortals who have little understanding of other peoples lives Whether I am bad, good or irrelevant (which is the best option) I leave to GOD...not to anyone else. One day I would like to sit Averthanus down and talk to him face to face I rest my case and now beg to opt out of this argument as I have a life to live and it is a wonderful life where explanations are not always neccessary Cheers Cecil and all on this site And Cecil...Thanks ..You stand up while most tend to sit and watch xxx Wendell On 09/09/07, Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Roland Francis wrote: > I find it strange that your post had to come via the good offices of > Cecil Pinto, who has seen fit to add that he is your good friend. Did > you find it so difficult to have been informed by Cecil that a simple > email address would have seen your post directly read by Goanet > readers, or have you a more compelling reason. > > > > Roland has raised a lot of other points which I am sure Wendell, and > others, will respond to. I have forwarded him Roland's 'Open Letter' to > Wendell as he doesn't subscribe to GoaNet. As I had forwarded Averthanus' > nonsense regarding 'consensual sex' and this posting of mine. I regularly > forward stuff from GoaNet (and other public content groups I am subscribed > to) to people who might be interested in reading/posting. Not everyone is > interested in reading all GoaNet postings. Wendell sent his response from > Paris, where his latest collection met with a fantastic response. Wendell > is self admittedly not so computer savvy and I sometimes help out with > Internet research and such stuff. I posted Wendell's response on his > request and on his behalf because he asked me to do so by e-mail. He was > no > longer available online and I was unable to convey to him that he could > post it directly to GoaNet even despite not being a subscriber. For the > purpose of speed and convenience I posted it myself as I have done > previously for other people. I hope that answers your totally pointless > question, designed no doubt to bring some doubt as to the authenticity of > Wendell's response originating from Wendell himself. > > And yes I see it fit to emphasize that Wendell is a good friend of mine. > Unlike certain overseas Goans who think they are the cats whiskers and are > always running down people here in Goa including their own relatives - who > are in fact trying to avoid meeting them. But lets not get distracted from > the main issue. I am proud to call Wendell a close friend for many > reasons. > But below is the text of the introductory address I gave at Black Box in > Kala Academy at the launch of the book Domnic's Goa on 27th April 2007. It > should give you some idea of the man I call a friend. All that seems to be > clouding your vision, Roland, is his sexuality. > > > Text of Introductory Address - > > Some three years back I was going through my GoaNet Daily Digest when I > came across a detailed description of a Ladain (or Litany) written by > some > Domnic Fernandes, based in Saudi Arabia. It was in Konkani, and what > followed was a translation in English. It was an amazing read. In the true > tradition of the story teller Domnic rambled on and on, and jumped from > one > topic to another, and threw in some songs and in general informed and > entertained. I immediately dashed off to Domnic an e-mail of admiration > for > his style of writing, as well as asking him to write more such stuff. > Apparently I was not the only person. Dozens of others had also written > similarly. > > So Domnic started writing in earnest of the
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Kevin and Roland Sorry I got to this mail only now. Was busy in Paris and loads of work. Ceci tells me much has happened on Goa Net and I regret I do not want to log on as this can go on forever. Just wanted to say that I really have nothing against Averthanus or anyone who does not understand the emotional side of any kind of sexuality. As I said earlierI, I accept and understand even the Church point of view, I also understand homophobia because in many cases, homophobes have unjustly suffered the advances of perverted people and hence become homophobic. What I canot understand is how gays can be clubbed together with criminals suh as paedophiles or even prostitution. That baffles me. I have always felt that religion, politics and sexuality are best left as private matters, with God as judge. To debate on such topics on the net is welcome but it can go on endlessly Lastly I want to close with thanks to the people who understand and have stood up for my point of view. It means a lot Cheers Wendell On 10/09/2007, Kevin Saldanha wrote: Dear Roland, Your post has instigated me to get back on the GoaNet bandwagon after a summer hiatus which included an unexpected trip to Goa to bury my Dad. My sincere appreciation to all the Goanetters who sent messages of condolence and to Fredrick and Miguel who were very helpful to me on my short trip.
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:49:24 -0400 From: "Wendell Rodricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks I have always felt that religion, politics and sexuality are best left as private matters, with God as judge. To debate on such topics on the net is welcome, but it can go on endlessly Lastly I want to close with thanks to the people who understand and have stood up for my point of view. It means a lot Cheers Wendell . Well said, Wendell. That is the way it should be! Having said that, we have discussed the following issues on Goanet 1.POLITICS: Should USA invade Iraq? Vote for Parrikar as CM. Kangress, BJP, etc. 2. RELIGION : Hindutva, Hinduism, RSS, BJP, VHP, Catholic Church, Inquisition, Atrocities, Curchorem Riots, Kick out Muslim Ghatis, etc 3.SEX; Oh! We were just making a beginning before progressing to soft porn may be ;-)) Kitem mhunnttai re? Ami toxech??? We are like this ONLY !! Mog asundi Miguel -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] An Open letter to Goan Parents.
How very beautifully put. Carvalho wrote: Yet again I see Goa's parochial views come to the fore, as if to prove to the world that we live in the back of beyond. Everytime the victim or alleged victim is a young women, Goans seem bent on questioning the parenting skills of these unfortunate girls. Goans, please don't wear your hypocrisy on your sleeves. Please, first tell us where are the fathers and mothers of all those girls that board at Carmels and other hostels? Are they not young girls too, who are left alone to do as they please, because their Goan parents work in the Gulf? Please tell us also where are fathers of all those boys who roam the streets on their bikes, flashing money and spending like there is no tomorrow? Perhaps their fathers are onboard ships, bearing the brunt of callous customers. Perhaps their fathers are enduring the heat of the Arabian sun. In anycase, a whole generation of young men and women have grown up now, without fathers, without mothers, in the custody of aging grand-parents, sometimes worse still left in the care of Carmelite nuns. We too have been guilty of leaving our children alone, but we've had to do it, to fill our bellies. perhaps these "foreigners" have their own reasons as to why they are single-handedly bringing up children. Should we sit in judgement of them? As a Goan girl who finished her college in Goa, let me tell you, your sons and daughters are no better than those of these "foreigners". Your sons and daughters are doing exactly what these Western girls and boys are doing. Except you don't know it. And if you do know it, you prefer to blind yourself to the truth, always assuming that your own Shanna boy or Baby-girl would never do such a thing. The truth is, adolescent hormones are not so discriminatory. They run wild in everyone. As a Goan mother of a small Goan girl, I am no more capable of protecting her from the pedophiles or the rapists of this world, than I am of stopping the tide. I cannot hide her from the world, I cannot incarcerate her in an ivory tower to keep her safe. She has her own life to live, she has her own path and destiny to find, her own exploration and experimentation to engage in. I can only wish for her safety. I can only hope that the mothers of sons have done their job, in raising responsible men. So please stop blaming "outsiders", they are parents just like you and me, trying to do their best in this confusing world in which they have little control. Best, Selma
[Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO MS. SONAL SHAH,
Here is the full text of the Open Letter sent to Sonal Shah by Coalition against Genocide, a brief report of which was carried in yesterday's DNA newspaper and posted here. Regards, Marshall AN OPEN LETTER TO MS. SONAL SHAH, MEMBER OF PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA'S TRANSITION ADVISORY BOARD "Your recent statement on Hindu nationalist groups raises more questions than it answers." November 20, 2008 Dear Ms. Shah, We are a coalition of Indian-American groups and individuals representing diverse faiths, interests, and political affiliations, who are looking forward to working with the administration of President Obama to ensure that the interests of all Indian-Americans have a place in its policies. We represent families who have grievously suffered from the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) led pogroms against Muslim minorities of Gujarat in 2002; Christians, whose communities and places of worship are under assault by VHP and its various creations for no other reason than the faith they were born in, or chose; Hindus and human rights activists who have been fighting, often at great peril to their persons, against religious bigotry and violence being fanned by the VHP, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), and their various incarnations in India as well as in the United States (the Sangh Parivar). As you can understand, we are legitimately concerned about reports of your personal links with the VHP -- whose social values, politics, and actions are antithetical to President-elect Obama's message of hope and inclusiveness -- and how those links might possibly influence your role in the transition team and the new administration's policies towards India and Indian-Americans. Your recent public statement, therefore, that your "personal politics have nothing in common with the views espoused by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), or any such organization" is a welcome one, and we fully expect that your actions on the transition team will be faithful to that assertion. However, your statement does not allay all of our concerns, given the irrefutable public record of your and your family's linkages to the VHP and other Sangh Parivar organizations, as confirmed in recent utterances by RSS circles in India and by VHP America. We would like to share those concerns with you in the hope that you will respond to them: To begin with, like you, many of us were engaged in relief work in the aftermath of the 2001 Gujarat earthquake, when we came away with admiration for Gujarat's civil society, despite persistent allegations that VHP and RSS were cynically using the disaster relief efforts to further their sectarian agendas. Many of us returned to Gujarat promptly in 2002 to provide relief and succor to battered Muslim (and Hindu) families, following the unprecedented violence directed against them -- this time despite the openly obstructionist tactics of the Gujarat government. This period was followed by systematic intimidation of activists by the state: e.g. frivolous lawsuits against Ms. Mallika Sarabhai, a renowned artist and community activist, which prompted the Supreme Court of India to intervene on her behalf. And more recently, emboldened by their impunity in Gujarat, the Sangh Parivar has been orchestrating wide-spread violence against Christians in several BJP and BJP-partnered sta tes of India, which has renewed the public demand for a ban on the VHP and its affiliate, the Bajrang Dal. We remind you of this recent history to express our dismay and disappointment that at no time during this terrible period are we aware of any statement from you dissociating yourself from these dreadful acts of VHP and RSS, especially given your proximity to these organizations: As a person associated with VHP/RSS's earthquake relief efforts in 2001, we are not aware of any acknowledgment from you of their widely reported sectarian bias in providing relief. We are not aware of any assistance from you or by IndiCorps to the thousands of families affected by the 2002 communal pogroms, nor are we aware of your speaking out against the funding of organizations implicated in these hate campaigns by charities in the United States, with some of whom you have been partnering. And, more recently, we have not heard any condemnation from you of the spate of violence against Christian Adivasis being orchestrated by VHP, for which the BJP-partnered government in Orissa has been severely i ndicted by India's National Commission for Minorities. In the face of these facts, your bold assertion that you have "always condemned any politics of division, of ethnic or religious hatred, of violence and intimidation as a political tool" is deeply troubling. Furthermore, the revelation that you were part of the inner circle of VHP America at the time of the Gujarat earthquake indicates that your role was not confined only to humanitarian relief -- an im
Re: [Goanet] An Open letter to Sonal Shah
--- On Sun, 11/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1.Refer below links to know and understand how > 'trivial' and 'nominal' was the association. > http://www.pragoti.org/node/2442 > http://communalism.blogspot.com/2008/11/no-point-denying-sonal-shahs.html > The smear propaganda continues, now introducing a fresh new installment of partisan fringe websites recycling the same old trivial nonsense. This has always been the modus operandi of this type of activism. As I pointed out elsewhere, the guy who started the smear against Sonal Shah this time around, Vijay Prashad, also tried to smear Mother Teresa years ago because of her links with convicted embezzlers of public funds and a genocidal dictator. Please see the following fringe website for that garbage: http://www.cpa.org.au/amrarch/40vp.html Those who engage in these disgraceful activities do not know anything else. They do it reflexively. Please note that a new abusive smear and rumor has just been initiated against me below: "2.Santosh would do Sonal a favour if could advise his friends in the sangh parivar to be a little more circumspect in tom-toming their association with Sonal and her family and their expectations from her in her new role." ..Marshall Mendonza To top it all, like clock work the ever so handy Nazis are finally invoked below: "3.Just a thought. Would members of the Nazi party be considered innocent of war crimes if they did not directly order any killings but remained passive while members of their party were involved?" ..Marshall Mendonza Now, all of you must really be outraged and afraid. Sonal Shah and myself are like members of the Nazi party. And since you are linked to me through Goanet, you must also be held responsible for the crimes in Orissa. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] An Open letter to Sonal Shah
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:57:06 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As I pointed out elsewhere, the guy who started the smear against Sonal Shah this time around, Vijay Prashad, also tried to smear Mother Teresa years ago because of her links with convicted embezzlers of public funds and a genocidal dictator. Please see the following fringe website for that garbage: http://www.cpa.org.au/amrarch/40vp.html Mario observes: Santosh is right. Vijay Prashad belongs to the extreme far left wing kook fringe that dominated Indian politics in the decades after independence, destroyed its economy and were eventually relegated to the thrash heap of history by the emergence of Manmohan Singh and others who finally unleashed India's potential and initiative. Now they have found a home in American academe from which to spread their vile propaganda like termites in the foundations of freedom and democracy. Vijay Prashad's discombobulated brain is unable to reconcile capital and freedom, private accumulation and human needs, even as he lives and works in America, which has for decades provided living proof that capital is synonymous with freedom, whereas extreme socialism is synonymous with totalitarianism, and private accumulation of wealth is the greatest source of charity to address human needs, whereas there are no extreme socialists to be found wherever the poorest of the poor need assistance. Far left wingers like Prashad are concerned that Sonal Shah will nudge Barack Obama away from the far left fringe and towards the political center. Marshall wrote: Santosh would do Sonal a favour if could advise his friends in the sangh parivar Mario observes: Marshall, Marshall, Marshall. Get a grip, man. Don't embarrass yourself like this and diminish your credibility. Can't you stay on point? Everyone on Goanet knows Santosh is a MAHA-atheist, and thus someone who has about as many "friends" in the Sangh Parivar as you or Fr. Ivo. Marshall wrote: Just a thought. Would members of the Nazi party be considered innocent of war crimes Mario observes: Not a very rational thought, I must say. I have excoriated others on Goanet when they have used Nazis to make their point, almost always inappropriately. There has rarely been anyone quite as diabolical as the Nazis, before or since, including those who ended up killing far more of their own citizens in political pogroms like Stalin or Mao for example. Thus it is amost always inappropriate to use the Nazi-card. In fact it tends to demonstrate that one is getting desperate, or at least, mentally fatigued. Furthermore, your thought shows you are uninformed about the aftermath of WW-II. Here's why. You said, "Would members of the Nazi party be considered innocent of war crimes if they did not directly order any killings but remained passive while members of their party were involved?" The answer is "Yes!". This question has already been answered during the Nuremberg trials. Those members of the Nazi party who did not directly order any killings, or engage in any killings, but remained passive, were not convicted of war crimes. There were many younger Germans who were forced into service in the Nazi cause, who were only tangentially involved in their atrocities, or not involved at all, but were unable to do anything about it. The Open Letter to Sonal Shah, who has lived and worked in the US since before Marshall was born, turns logic on its head by accusing her of being complicit in the mob violence being prepetrated by the VHP and RSS etc. in India, BECAUSE SHE HAD NOT GONE OUT OF HER WAY TO CONDEMN THEM IN A FORUM SATISFACTORY TO HER CRITICS. This would be about as absurd as someone accusing these people pretending to be Obama supporters of being complicit in Saddam Hussain's mass political atrocities because, not only did they not condemn them when they were taking place, but they also opposed the regime change in Iraq. For good measure, these people did not even condemn the Taliban when they were whipping Afghan women in the streets and beheading them in the soccer stadium in Kabul for being seen with a man they were not related to. The fact is Sonal Shah has distanced herself from the Hindu-extremists and there is no evidence that she was any more involved in the mob violence than Stalin's daughter was involved in his mass killings of innocent Soviets. As a political opponent of this American administration, believe me, it is people like Sonal Shah who will prevent Barack Obama from his more economically destructive instincts to raise tax rates inordinately or implement protectionist trade policies to reward his labor union supporters that will severely damage the demand for the goods and services provided to the US market from India.
Re: [Goanet] An Open letter to Sonal Shah
Public opposition to prejudice in all its forms demands that people reject irresponsible speculations, innuendo and defamatory insinuations against individuals and their families, such as in the post below. Cheers, Santosh --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Marshall Mendonza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Without discussing Santosh in any way, I submit it is > perfectly possible for > one - whether he be an atheist or agnostic or believer to > have friends > across the various divides without professing their > beliefs. Friendships can > cut across class, caste, creed or colour lines. > Further Sonal Shah's links with the VHP have emanated > from the RSS itself > who have claimed proximity to her and her family. They also > expect her to > get Narendra Modi's visa restored. > And just to add to your knowledge, the Ekal Vidyalaya's > for whom Sonal's > parents are actively mobilising funds are the fronts of the > VHP which have > been in the forefront of the violence in tribal areas > whether in the Dangs > or Kandhamal or elsewhere. > > Regards, > > Marshall
Re: [Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO VIJAI SARDESAI
Even at great distance I take an interest in the socio/political equations surrounding Goa, having resided there for almost thirty years with a spouse who considered herself a 'Gandhian' but whose 'ancestry' involved Catholic Colonial. My over-view these days inclines to the notion that Goa should have 'special status' somewhat analogous to what Pierre Elliot Trudeau for Province of Quebec, thus avoiding 'secession'. The 'economic development zone' template is 'necessary but not sufficient'. Vijai Sardessai, like many in similar circumstances, may have found himself 'between a rock and a hard place', on 'horns of a dilemma'. Not being well enough informed, I can only conjecture what the 'horns' are in the ontological perspective; but it might be helpful to analyse the complete picture towards determining what that 'dilemma' really is. I think that in the 'ontological perspective' too, the blindfold goddess will finally balance the account; Goa served colonialism by enabling mercantile interests to send gunboats and opium to China & Burma. Payback Time will come---"The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine". On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Aires Rodrigues wrote: > Dear Vijai, > > I wrote to you last year after your grand betrayal of Goa and Goans on 11th > March 2017. You did not care to reply but as a true Goenkar, I humbly write > to you once again, a year later on the eve of 2018 Easter Sunday with a > heavy heart, a very heavy heart indeed! But, I have no choice … Having once > been your very close friend, in speaking out I may be hurting you, your two > MLAs Jayesh Salgaonkar, Vinod Paliencar and our common friend Rohan > Khaunte, but by maintaining silence I would be hurting thousands of Goans > across Goa and also failing in my duty to stand up for something that is > intrinsically wrong. > > The people of Goa had thought and hoped that you were the future of Goa. > They were all for your promised : Goem, Goenkar & Goenkarponn. In 2017 they > supported you thinking that you were a beacon of hope to fight the > Corruption, nepotism and the U turns of the BJP. > > Goans were also very upset with the Congress for the manner you were then > ill-treated. I had myself publicly condemned the Congress for it. But last > March the audacity in which you betrayed your Goem, you shocked every > Goenkar, and you chose to selfishly forsake your very own Goenkarponn. > > In the lightning speed in which you selfishly embraced the BJP overnight, > you committed the mother of all U turns. You disgraced yourself, your > family, your Constituency and most importantly your Goa. The great Goan and > your uncle, the late Ravindra bab Kelekar and your late dear sister our > great poet Madhavi must have rolled in heavenly abode over the manner you > so rashly and cunningly took Goa and Goans for a ride. > > You cannot and will never ever be trusted by Goans again. Even by your now > New York parked idol Manohar Gopalkrishna Parrikar, who as he always does, > will treat you as a purchasable commodity to be used and disposed off. I > am infact stunned that you dared trust Manohar Parrikar, someone who had > publicly spewed very nasty venom against you and even tried his best to > implicate and arrest you in that Louis Berger case. You, Jayesh > Salgaonkar, Vinod Paliencar and Rohan Khaunte have chosen to face the > public wrath and condemnation for the rest of your lives. > > Your’ll have deeply hurt every Goan. But despite your betrayal, Goa will > overcome and survive to see Goem, Goenkar and Goenkarponn. > > Let me leave you with those worthy words of Billy Graham, “When wealth is > lost, nothing is lost; when health is lost, something is lost; when > character is lost, all is lost”. > > Your very now heartbroken and once great well-wisher, > > > > Aires Rodrigues > > Advocate High Court > > C/G-2, Shopping Complex > > Ribandar Retreat, > > Ribandar – Goa – 403006 > > Mobile No: 9822684372 > > Office Tel No: (0832) 2444012 > > Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com > > Or > >airesrodrig...@yahoo.com > > You can also reach me on > > Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues > > Twitter@rodrigues_aires > > > www.airesrodrigues.com >
[Goanet] An open letter to Shri Manohar Parrikar
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AN OPEN LETTER TO SHRI MANOHAR PARRIKAR
Dear Manoharbab,
I am writing this open letter to you because of my love for Goa, my deep
concern for her future and fervent hope that you, along with your
colleague, the ever so gentlemanly Shripadbhau Naik, will be my
motherland’s best stewards in her journey ahead. I and many of my like
thinking colleagues from every community in Goa, irrespective of
religion, caste, socioeconomic status or political clout, believe that
while there has been significant progress in Goa in some areas since we
got the opportunity to govern ourselves after the first democratic
general elections in December 1963, many things have become worse. To
the great dismay and discomfort of the people of Goa, the circumstances
in which they find themselves are on a downhill slide today.
There are four big problems facing us in Goa. The biggest problem is
rampant corruption from the lowest level of the government bureaucracy
to the office of the Chief Minister. It has made life difficult for the
most vulnerable segment of our society – poor folk without connections,
clout and status. They have to struggle to make ends meet, and bribe a
bureaucrat or a minister with their meager earnings to obtain a shop
license or even a low paying job. Not far behind is the squalor and
filth in our neighbourhoods, on our roads, and on our beaches and river
banks. This is compounded by the destruction of our scenic hills,
invasion of our pristine fields and orchards, and degradation of roads,
bridges and public spaces by years of public neglect and abuse. The
final assault is from overburdening of all basic amenities due to unruly
traffic, uncontrolled influx and settlement of migrant labour, and
unregulated low-budget tourism.
Besides the above crises concerns, there are countless other urgent
needs. Thousands of young Goans need to be educated at all levels each
year. The old school and college buildings are falling apart. There are
not enough committed teachers. Nothing short of major financial
incentives for new recruitment and investment for new construction will
change this state of affairs.
Furthermore, each year hundreds of students complete their
post-secondary education from the many higher educational institutions
that have sprung up in Goa. There are no jobs for them in our tiny
state. They are forced to migrate to other places to make a living, to
regain their dignity and self-esteem after a long futile and exhausting
search for it in their birthplace. In the process, not only are they
unable to contribute to Goa’s progress, but the public investment made
in their education is not recouped for the immediate local benefit of
the taxpayers who made it in the first place. This problem can only be
solved by a concerted effort to create jobs and entrepreneurial
opportunities by providing incentives for growth of local manufacturing
plants, information technology firms, high technology companies,
pharmaceutical outfits, chemical industries and green energy enterprises.
The public health care system in Goa is in a miserable state. Its
flagship, the new Goa Medical College hospital building in Bambolim is
already in serious disrepair. Moreover, it continues to fail in its
repeated attempts to be the much needed fully functional tertiary level
hospital in Goa offering affordable advanced treatment for the
increasingly more common diseases afflicting Goans today, such as heart
disease, cancer and stroke. The unfortunate victims of these scourges
have to run to Mumbai, Belgaum, Bengaluru or Manipal to save their
lives. Can the Goa government after 50 long years of bumbling not offer
its people a decent shot at evading death from treatable conditions in
their own place of birth? What a crying shame!
The changing world has created new demands as well as opportunities for
growth in the 21st century. The old ways of governing have become a
lumbering burden on society, and in many ways, have led to the decadence
and corruption that we are struggling against. Fortunately, the the
advances in information technology and the internet offer us new
solutions and make electronic governance a distinct possibility. The
resulting reduced paperwork cuts down red tape and eliminates
opportunities for bribes and kickbacks. Why can’t we have this in Goa?
Why can’t we have computer controlled traffic lig
[Goanet] An open letter to the Times of India
An open letter to the Times of India -- Dear Times of India, We have been getting the news of the entry of your publication for many moons now. There has been talk of your paper opening an edition in Goa for the past decade or so. Finally it's happening. The journalists' world is agog -- with the thrill of getting access to new jobs and higher salaries. But, for the most part, the average reader back in Goa doesn't have a clue about the big news on the horizon. Media often doesn't discuss media issues. As one colleague would put it, "dog doesn't eat dog". So, the times are changing, at least as far as the news in our small State goes. Welcome to Goa. The Times of India has long had some link with Goa. Quite a few journalists of Goan origin have worked for your publication. Quite a number of Mumbai-based Goans read your paper as their first choice. In fact, during my high-school days, The Times of India and India Today were the only two outstation papers that reached my village, and gave me an insight into the outside world. Some of my most-respected colleagues have worked with the Times of India. But it would be hypocritical not to state that we do have mixed feelings about your decision to finally set up base in our small place. We feel flattered by your decision to finally consider Goa worthy enough as a media-market worthy of your attention. But, we have reason to feel unsure about the impact your arrival here will have on both the profession of journalism as also the media industry as a whole. Some of my colleagues argue that your entry here would "mean a great deal of relief to under-paid, overworked journalists in Goa". Others see your arrival here as a reason for increasing media penetration and readership, reaching out to youth and neo-settlers in Goa, creating a bigger market, improve the salaries of journalists and the operations of ad agencies or improved national and international coverage (together with more sensational news, and more "Page 3 splashes"). Optimists see the arrival of the ToI into Goa as possibly contributing to better proof-reading, more application of the RTI Act, better advertising, better sponsorships (the equivalent of Ganesh in Goa), synergies with other members of your media empire (on the web with Indiatimes, and on radio with Radio Mirchi, and in the world of music with Times Music). But is the job of a newspaper one of staging "great year-end parties"? Hardly so We are already seeing the impact of the Times impact being felt here. To begin, the most obvious impact is the fact that journalist salaries are going up in Goa. Phenomenally. In a way, the salaries on the media front in Goa have long needed an upgrade. Things have stagnated for long. There has been little media expansion since 1987 in the English-language print media here (since the birth of Gomantak Times). But should the hike in salaries come the ToI way? Yes, low and stagnant salaries have been a problems here. It has forced many journos into changing their profession or even going into a kind of exile. Journalists have become a major export 'commodity' from Goa today. Whether they settle in Mumbai or the Gulf, or even places as unexpected as Bangkok, Sydney and Papua New Guinea, they have had to migrate far and wide to get access to better jobs. This is not a healthy situation. Now, the situation has drastically changed. We are hearing of Rs 30,000+ and Rs 40,000+ salaries for mid-career professionals. Not too long back, Rs 12,000 was considered quite significant by Goan standards. In other sectors, the depressed Goan market pays people with our educational background around Rs 5,000 to 12,000. It is only a few of the entertainment-oriented, tech-focussed or black-money flush sectors that can pay higher salaries. So what effect will the hiked salaries have on the media industry as a whole? Will they create 'gilded cages' which people can't afford to leave? Will it heighten the servility that media-persons have to toe? Will it lead to the collapse of one or more newspaper in the State? As one editor-friend put it, those changing jobs primarily due to the high-salaries bait might just be pricing themselves out of the market. While media houses obviously don't want to lose their staff, I suspect he just might be right. Trading high salaries for a lack of freedom -- as has been the case -- is counterproductive to both the journalist's self-esteem and the wider newspaper business as a whole. On this score, the Times has still to prove its bonafides. It needs to reassure the journalist community as well as the English-language newspaper reader in Goa that its high-salary gambit is not just meant to destroy the competition. Big business from Boribunder should desist from playing the r
[Goanet] An open letter to the Times of India
What a long winded, repetitive letter! Is the author some kind of god father of Goa's print media? Why hit the panic button so hard? I was interested in the repeated references to boosting of local journo salaries but nothing at all about honorariums to contributors. One local paper pays zilch to folks like me who have contributed and published 10 articles in 4 months. A TOI affiliate used to send me Rs 2K per published piece --- 10 years ago. Here I have not even got the courtesy of an acknowledgement or a word of appreciation. Btw, the typo editing has certainly improved in this paper of late. Thank heaven for small mercies.
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Dr. Leo Rebello
Mogal Lino Tujeo Kovita ekdom ruchicheo Toxeoch tujeo Aitaracheo Katkutleo Zaito teomp zalo vachun jiv dadostalo Goanettarank toxench Gulfgoansankam tunvem konkanicho mog dilo. Amchi Romi Konkanichi ruch tunvem dili zaitea goemkarank Ingliz uloitat punn konkani vachunk pois ravonknant Zoxo Domnic babacho book porzol zalo vachunk sogleank Magtam tuzoi donxim kovatincho book jelo kosso eunk amchea gopant Wish you all the best Jerry
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Re: [Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO MS. SONAL SHAH,
If one bears the pain of reading the open letter in the post appended below, it becomes clear how ridiculous this type of political activism has become. The dishonest smear tactics begin by citing a strained trivial association, such as the fact that you have belonged, no matter how nominally or in how unrelated a context, to a religious community, cultural organization or political party whose extremist members have committed crimes, and then it all goes down hill from there. You are then held responsible for similar links of other members of your family, your relatives, your friends, your co-religionists, people of your native state and other states in the country of your birth. What you say and what those who really know you say in your defense are ignored, or worse, twisted to compound your offenses. Finally, the entire history of all the atrocities committed by people who somehow can be juxtaposed in the same sentence with you is recited, and a judgment is passed that the heavy burden of their crimes rests on you. What a disgrace! No wonder these dime-a-dozen activists do not mature past their existence on the fringes. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 11/21/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here is the full text of the Open Letter sent to Sonal Shah > by Coalition against Genocide, a brief report of which was > carried in yesterday's DNA newspaper and posted here. > > Regards, > > Marshall > > AN OPEN LETTER TO MS. SONAL SHAH, MEMBER OF PRESIDENT-ELECT > OBAMA'S TRANSITION ADVISORY BOARD > > "Your recent statement on Hindu nationalist groups > raises more questions than it answers." >
[Goanet] An Open Letter to the Hon'ble Education Minister
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- An Open Letter to the Hon'ble Education Minister of Goa From Mr. Thalmann P. Pereira Advocate Rani Pramila Arcade 18th June Road Panaji, Goa. Tel. 2427582 e-mail: To The Hon'ble Education Minister Government of Goa Secretariat Porvorim Bardez, Goa. 17-02-2010. Subject : Dangerous RTI Query Dear Sir, 1. This Open Letter is addressed to you in the context of some letters written by the officials of the Directorate of Education addressed to the Principals / Headmasters of all Higher Secondary Schools and High Schools in Goa. 2. The first letter in question is from the Assistant Director of Education (Adm.), Panaji, Goa, bearing Ref. no. 28-263-Adm.I/B/2009/Part-file/II/53 dated 07-01-2010, by which a letter dated 30-12-2009 received from Mr. Damodar (Damu) G. Naik, Hon'ble M.L.A. of Fatorda Constituency under the Right to Information Act, 2005, has been forwarded to the respective Zonal Offices of the Directorate for onward transmission to all the Principals / Headmasters of all Higher Secondary Schools and High Schools in Goa, with directions to submit the required information directly to Mr. Damodar G. Naik. 3. As it appears that the Principals / Headmasters of various Higher Secondary Schools and High Schools in Goa were distinctly uncomfortable giving the desired information, the Directorate has issued yet another letter bearing Ref. no. ACAD/R.T.I.-Act/2009/172 dated 21-01-2010 by which the very same letter dated 30-12-2009 received from Mr. Damodar (Damu) G. Naik, has been again forwarded, this time directly, to all the Principals / Headmasters of all Higher Secondary Schools and High Schools in Goa, with directions to submit the required information directly to Mr. Damodar G. Naik. 4. Non-compliance with the provisions of the Right to Information Act, 2005, is a very serious matter having penal consequences. 5. It therefore ostensibly appears that the officials of the Directorate of Education are very conscious of their duties under the Act and have therefore forwarded the letter from the Hon'ble M.L.A. to the Principals / Headmasters for compliance. 6. The problem lies with the mechanical fashion in which the officials of the Directorate of Education appear to be functioning with absolutely no dedication to their larger public duty to thoroughly vet a request before considering it as worthy. 7. This becomes clear when one reads the letter dated 30-12-2009 written by Mr. Damodar (Damu) G. Naik, Hon'ble M.L.A. of Fatorda Constituency under the Right to Information Act, 2005. The purpose of this Open Letter addressed directly to you is precisely to lay bear this letter dated 30-12-2009 as well to alert you directly to your constitutional duties in the matter, without the intermediation of any of your subordinate officials who cannot be trusted to advise you correctly, given the sorry state of affairs which reveals total non-application of their minds to such a serious issue. 8. Let us therefore begin by quoting extensively from the letter dated 30-12-2009 bearing Ref. No. -nil- written by Mr. Damodar (Damu) G. Naik, Hon'ble M.L.A. of Fatorda Constituency, addressed to the Public Information Officer, Education Department, Panjim-Goa, with the Subject caption "Issue of Information under Right to Information Act" and which reads as follows:- "Dear Sir, Kindly give me the following information under Right to Information Act. 1) Names of the students studying in Goa in Xth and XIIth std. along with their perfect postal residential address, date of birth and contact number like parents mobile or students mobile / Landline Number etc. 2) Names of the students studying in 1st to 4th Class in and around Margao Schools with their postal addresses and contact number, D.O.B. Hope you will do the needful at the earliest. Thanking you, sd/- Damodar (Damu) G. Naik MLA FATORDA." 9. No wonder the various Principals / Headmasters of the Higher Secondary Schools and High Schools in Goa were distinctly uncomfortable giving the desired information. But the very fact that the officials of your Department have thought it fit to forward this letter not once but twice with clear-cut directives, only goes to show that they have made up their minds that such information can be given to anybody who applies for it. 10. In our humble opinion the giving of such information is not only illegal but downright dangerous. 11. We shall not even bother to waste your valuable time with any allegations about the political affiliations of the Hon'ble MLA of Fatorda Constituency since he belong
[Goanet] An Open Letter to the Hon'ble Education Minister
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Re: [Goanet] An open letter to Shri Manohar Parrikar
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Dearest Dr. Virginkar,
Salutes to you for your excellent Nobel Prize thinking and writing.
Yes, I am more than willing to take on the difficult yoke that you have
manufactured.
I had told you that things are different, especially after I made a fool of
myself comparing our Advaniji to 'stale pickle'.
Nothing seems to be going right from then onwards.
You and others around you have done a wonderful job last elections in 2007
to promote me as the ultimate administrator. But unfortunately, I couldn't
make it. Sorry for your money that has gone down the drain. But I have
proved myself during my tenure by handling all the pertinent files all by
myself, burning the midnight oils. I have even personally helped the
traffic police to regulate parking at Kala Academy at 3.00 a.m. by throwing
out a wrongly parked two- wheeler and damaging it. This was to give a
lesson to the traffic cops. Then I went to red-handed catch Mr. D.C. Sahoo
whilst taking a bribe while on duty. And I have done what no one can do. I
have kicked him, not out, but upstairs with a promotion that he will always
be grateful.
But then, you must know the realities. A person like me cannot survive in a
pack of hyenas. I can go up there. No doubt about that. But the question is
for how long. You have said a lot of things which were not in the syllabus
when I did my IIT. But then, I find it difficult to understand Metallurgy
itself which is my subject of IIT graduation. The entire concept has changed
from coal burning foundries to hi-tech computer technology, laser
heating/cutting etc. But I have no heart to disappoint you. Only see that a
fair supply of FEVICOL is around. Why? You must not forget the nursery
rhymes that you have learnt in the Primary schooling. "Humpty Dumpty sat on
the wall. Humpty dumpty had a great fall" Should I fall, the load of
FEVICOL will have to do the trick and seat me back again, stuck forever, no
matter how much they try to unseat me.
Thank you and kind regards
Gratefully Yours,
MP
P.S. I have been a bit busy these days trying to stop the flowing out of our
goddamed MLAs who are running to the Congress camp like water into the
sewers. Therefore I have asked my good friend floriano to send this to you.
You must know that floriano and I are inseparable friends. He appreciates me
for stealing his GOOD GOVERNANCE logo and rubbing it in cow-dung. You will
find him a bit crazy too. For, he considers himself only a GOAN and not
Indian. Maybe because he was born before the Independence of India. I have
come to terms with his small peccadilloes. I urge you to do the same. Cheers
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From: "anand virgincar"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 11:19 AM
Subject: [Goanet] An open letter to Shri Manohar Parrikar
AN OPEN LETTER TO SHRI MANOHAR PARRIKAR
Dear Manoharbab,
..
Goa must always remain a model of unity with a unified set of unique
identities shaped by our entire recorded history within the Indian
nation. Our Indianness is not apportioned to us on the basis of our
religion, our individual tastes, our scripts and dialects or our medium
of instruction. We are all Goans. We are all Indians.
So we ask you to carry this banner for us. A banner of unity, a banner
of purpose, a banner of determination and a banner of service towards
the betterment of all our people and our land irrespective of religion,
caste or socioeconomic standing. Please, please, Sir, lead us, upholding
honesty and responsibility.
With warm regards, high hopes and best wishes,
Anand Virgincar
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Re: [Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO MR. P.A. SANGMA
AN OPEN LETTER TO MR Marshall Mendonza, Dear Mr. Mendonza, I do not need to bring this to your attention, but I will - just in case you are a believer of statements made by Politicians. Perhaps, you will ask yourself the following questions, and come to a reasonable understanding of the issues relating to this ' bid': 1: does Mr Sangma stand even a micro-reallistic chance of becoming President? 2: if not, WHY is he contesting? 3: why is amcho 'postal dotor' contesting? 4: why is he being courted by the anti-Congress folks? 5: is there, perhaps, a power-kusti among the ranks of the opposition? 6: IF Mr.Sangma had contested for the post (imaginary) of President of his home state, what would be the chances of him succeeding in 2012? So, back again to Q 2 above. Additionally: 7: why did the folks aka Bhojje Pee start calling their political opponents: Kangress? 8: why do the Ingraji-medium chaps spew so much hate against Sonia? 9: is it because she was born a Catholic or is it because she is a woman? 10: are Katlicks daft? jc ps: I'd be really stupid to believe the lofty statements made by Politishuns , Hacktivists and Guerrist-Barathis. Pardon any Typos. This IPad does some curious auto- corrections On Jul 6, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Marshall Mendonza wrote: > AN OPEN LETTER TO MR. P.A. SANGMA > > 5th July, 2012 > > Mr. P. A Sangma > Presidential Candidate > Camp: Ahmedabad > > Dear Mr. Sangma, > > Welcome to Ahmedabad! > > Ahmedabad which is over 600 years was founded by a great and benevolent > ruler: Ahmed Shah who transcended the narrow boundaries of religion; > besides, from the sanctity of his ashram, on the banks of the river > Sabarmati, Mahatma Gandhi, the Father of our Nation gave to the world his > twin doctrine of ‘Ahimsa’ and ‘Satyagraha’. > > Sir, it is necessary for me to provide you with this brief introduction > because as a Presidential candidate, it is important at this stage, that > you demonstrate every possible desire to safeguard the sacred principles of > the secular Constitution of India namely Justice, Liberty, Equality and > Fraternity. > > What makes it imperative for me to write this Open Letter to you, are your > recent utterances on the BJP and the right-wing elements of the country > which clearly indicate that should you become the President of the country, > you will abandon all propriety and will not be able to function as the > final guardian of the Constitution of India. > > When you were questioned about the attacks on the Christians in Kandhamal > and other parts of Orissa, your response has been ‘where is the proof that > the BJP has done it? Don’t make wild allegations!’ The point is either you > have not done your homework or you would conveniently like to forget that > in the run-up to the last Orissa elections 2009, your main backer to these > Presidential elections Mr. Naveen Patnaik, very clearly said that the BJP > was responsible for the attack on the Christians in Kandhamal. > > If you so wish, we could give you a whole list of BJP leaders (including > those arrested) both from Orissa and outside, who are responsible for > fomenting the violence. So it is indeed sad, when people like you brush off > such incidents as ‘one or two; here and there’ as though it is of no > consequence for hundreds and thousands be it in Orissa, Karnataka, Madhya > Pradesh, Gujarat or any of the BJP-ruled states. > > Since, you very eloquently maintain that at the heart of Christianity is > forgiveness, (unfortunately, you do not demonstrate this act when it comes > to dealing with your opponents.) let’s forget Christians and focus on what > happened in Gujarat in 2002 when thousands of Muslims were brutally > attacked, raped, burnt alive, dispossessed of their homes and lands, in > what is known the world over as the ‘Gujarat Genocide’! Mr. Sangma, I would > like to know what is your stand on this? Or is it once again for you > ‘something small; here and there?’ It sounds like a joke! Should you become > the President of India, would you be able to defend the Constitutional > rights and freedom of every citizen of this country? > > What about the anti-conversion law we have in Gujarat? It could easily rate > as the most draconian law in any democracy of the world. Just take a moment > out of your busy schedule and go through it and let us know if it is not > violative of Article 25 of the Constitution of India. > > We do appreciate the fact that you are a tribal but I am not sure what is > your take on the fact that the adivasis of our country are derogatorily > referred to as ‘Vanvasis’. There is indeed a great difference between being > the original inhabitants of the land and mere forest-dwellers! The tribals > in Gujarat, as in many parts of the country, have lost plenty of what is > rightly theirs because of the nexus between the politicians and the other > vested interests. If you look carefully, you will see how the tribal > identity is s
[Goanet] An open letter to the Chief Minister of Karnataka
From: ambrose pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2008/9/19 Dear Friends, I am sending to you an open letter the college has sent signed by 75 of its teaching staff to the Chief Minister of Karnataka Ambrose Pinto SJ 18th September 2008 An Open Letter to the Chief Minister of Karnataka from St. Joseph's College, Bangalore Dear Sir, We write to you as members of the Staff of St. Joseph's College and as secular citizens of the state of Karnataka deeply distressed by the recent attacks on educational institutions and churches in Mangalore and elsewhere in Karnataka. We are a college of 126 years, the very first private college of the city with a rich legacy of educating generations of students of different faiths in the ideals of democracy and secularism. Thousands of citizens in the state owe their education into secularism to this college where students have lived and learned as members of one human family. We are also aware of your high esteem for the college. It is due to that high regard for the institution that you had admitted your son here and he had successfully passed out from the portals of the college. Our contributions to the nation goes right back in time, to those dark and frightful years of British imperialism. We as an institution, perhaps the only one in the state, have participated in the freedom struggle of the country. The college had protested against British colonialism, raising the National Tricolor as a banner of national revolt on our premises against the British Raj. Our students were hunted and jailed by British Police for participating in the Quit India movement. The names of Ratnakar Rai and Kripakaran are synonymous with the early struggles while Deendayalu Naidu and P.S. Sundaram Reddy were with the Quit India movement. Several of our students were tortured and repressed in these jails for their struggles for the freedom of the country. Fr. Ferroli, the Warden was interned in the jail in Whitfield. and Fr. Boniface D' Souza was the person who prevented the police from taking students into custody during the last phase of the freedom struggle. That spirit of secularism and nationalism still exists in this campus and we have not deviated from that. It is this love for the nation that prompts and urges us to write to you. Over the years, we have educated a variety of students, pundits, scientists, activists, journalists, technocrats, bureaucrats, politicians, businessmen, sportspersons and women primarily from the state of Karnataka though there have been students from outside the state and the country. We have never imposed a world-view of our own on the students. Instead we have encouraged critical thinking and learning. Freedom of thought and expression has always characterized education in St. Joseph's. We can claim with tremendous pride that we have produced stimulating intellectuals, prominent change-makers at the grass root level and provided able administrators to the nation and particularly to the State of Karnataka. M. P. Ghorpade, Kumara Bangarappa, M.P. Prakash, Bachche Gowda, Narayanaswamy, Allum Veerabhadarappa and a host of bureaucrats are all our former students. Many of our former students work in different fields of life as innovators and policy-framers. Moreover we have enhanced our services these many years to foster the needs and desires of the marginalized. We continue to admit and provide educational opportunities to a wide community of educationally and socially backward classes, scheduled castes and scheduled tribes. We have thus produced sensitive and learned leaders among the Dalit and backward communities. We are extremely proud of students from subaltern communities who have turned into agents of radical social change. Our credentials as a secular and progressive institution concerned about the well-being of all is a truth well known to all. St. Joseph's College belongs to no party. But we remain concerned with what is taking place in the state. Inculcating social awareness and increasing social concern is one of the main thrusts of the college. As an educational institution with high moral and ethical credentials, we are concerned about the divisive politics that polarizes people on the basis of religion. Your party has come to power on the plank of development. You have also celebrated with great pride your hundred days in power claiming that nearly 90% of your development manifesto has been fulfilled. We may have different view of that but we will not debate that here. What disturbs us is the mean claim that your party and your cadres make that Christian institutions are involved in forced conversion just to defame and malign. Every citizen in this country has been given the right to practice, profess and propagate one's
Re: [Goanet] An open letter to the Times of India
Dear Fred, It was interesting reading about the arrival of ToI in Goa. As you are aware my brother Alfred who lives in Mumbai was one of the first non-whites to be recruited as sub-editor cadet for training under the English Editor. I may be wrong as I am relying on my fading memory it was Sir Francis Low. There were many others in other sections associated with the ToI who worked with dedication and loyalty on the Newspaper. I am delighted to note that the ToI will now be available in Goa as it has like other Indian Newspapers, namely the Hindu and the Calcutta Statesman most unenvialble reputation. Best wishes for all young journalist. Regards Albert.
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks/ to Roland
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Roland Francis writes: >> While I am on the subject, please tell me why every homosexual has a >> pressing necessity of informing the world of his sexual inclinations. Looks like Roland could conceal his homophobia only through the first few paragraphs of his post. It would be helpful if he noted that it is socialites or celebrities(off all sexual orientations) that experience the above pressing necessity, and not all homosexuals. >> I have no intention of informing anybody of whether I am homosexual, >> bi-sexual or heterosexual. That is restricted to my bedroom and to my >> partner. Therefore I do not understand why anybody else has to see fit >> to tell me what their preferences are. It makes no difference to me >> and I would rather I not be advised. If it 'makes no difference' to you, then what was the need for this grand paragraph? I would also rather not be advised of Paris Hilton's sex life, but I constantly am. I've never found the need to send her a letter informing her of the same. Have you? >> By all means use the public washrooms for purposes other than than >> for which >>they were built. We will turn the other way. Just as we >> would turn if we see a >> heterosexual couple "making out". Who is this "We" that you are referring to and claiming to represent. All Canadians? Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://www.GOANET.org --- ECAP 2007 - Computer Society of India - Goa Chapter inaugurates its 15th Exhibition of Computers & Allied Products at Hotel Mandovi, Panaji at 9:30am on Sep 8, 2007 at the hands of Mr. M. N. Rao - Advisor & Director (IT) Department of Computer Science - Government of Goa. All are cordially Invited ---
[Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO GOA CHIEF MINISTER PRAMOD SAWANT
Dear Mr. Chief Minister, The people of Goa are aghast over your failure to step in decisively to try and contain the further spread of the COVID-19 virus which is now raging across the State. How many more deaths and positive cases are you willing to stomach before you take the bull or virus by the horns? Our friends and their family members are just dying while we watch and mourn this grim scenario unfolding and just getting worse by the day. One death is too many. Worse still the question on everybody’s mind is ‘’Will I be next’’? In the current scenario a total lockdown, well policed and adhered to of at least 15 days is inevitable and mandatory to ensure that the current devastating situation is brought under some kind of control. Your own Health Minister has recommended a month. Our Medical care services are overwhelmed. The brave overburdened Doctors, nurses and other front line heroes in our Hospitals and Health Centers are fighting a rear guard action often in vain. They are doing an extremely commendable job against all odds, tirelessly working to save lives but they are over stretched and may be reaching a breaking point. Their work made increasingly impossible by your inaction to do anything significant to mitigate and contain the spread of the virus. Mr. Chief Minister, for once show some leadership in this hour of greatest need and listen to the medical and scientific experts and learn from the experience of other countries that have successfully and relentlessly fought the virus and contained while almost eradicating it. In every instance by competently using a total lockdown as a circuit breaker to stop this virus increasing as it is spread through human transmission. You and your Government must realise that your first duty is to protect its citizens. This failure of yours to do so is creating a human carnage of unimaginable proportions. Posterity will never forget or forgive your inaction at this crucial juncture. With folded hands, even at this very late stage I seek your immediate action to prevent further loss of precious lives. A complete and total lockdown is a must as nothing less will work. Remember that Prevention is always better than cure! Taking a chance at the Casinos in the Mandovi is one thing but gambling with peoples’ lives is unacceptable, abhorrent and tragic. May wisdom and better sense prevail. Aires Rodrigues Advocate High Court C/G-2, Shopping Complex Ribandar Retreat, Ribandar – Goa – 403006 Mobile No: 9822684372 Office Tel No: (0832) 2444012 Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com Or airesrodrig...@yahoo.com You can also reach me on Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues Twitter@rodrigues_aires www.airesrodrigues.com
[Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO GOA CHIEF MINISTER MANOHAR PARRIKAR
Dear Mr. Manohar Parrikar, Two decades ago, like many others, I too held you in great respect while even working alongside you and the BJP, believing that you were a ray of hope for Goa. But I had to part company after I was faced with evidence that you were very corrupt, communal and casteist. In 2017 the people of Goa were hoping that you would heed the sensible advice given to you by your dear friend Rajan Parrikar and gracefully pack your bags. So, I am constrained to write to you this letter hoping that you will allow Goa to move on. In 2007 you had publicly vowed that it would be your last election. However in that greed and lust for power you went back on your own word and contested yet again in 2012 and became Chief Minister after promising the people of Goa a Parivartan by way of Good Governance and Zero Tolerance to Corruption. But given your string of swift U Turns, the people of Goa soon realised that by trusting you and electing the BJP they landed from the frying pan into the fire. In November 2014 with the State engulfed in rampant Corruption, nepotism and bad governance, you left a messed up Goa in a huff to be the Defence Minister of India while you continued to deviously operate as the de-facto Chief Minister reducing the then incumbent Laxmikant Parsekar to a mere puppet. After your disastrous stint as Defence Minister, in March last year you very deceitfully and through all crooked means forced yourself back as Goa’s Chief Minister despite the people’s verdict having clearly been against the BJP. Panaji sadly remains a decaying and sinking city despite you having been its MLA for over two long decades, thrice the Chief Minister and even being the Defence Minister of the country. With all the power at your hands you could do nothing for your State and city. Incredibly, you had the audacity to last year seek yet another term as MLA despite your grim performance or should we say non performance. This is despicable. Now that you are incapacitated and parked in New York for over two months can you give us one good reason as to why you should continue as MLA of Panaji and Chief Minister of Goa. Infact there are manifold grounds including your hunger for power and sheer arrogance why you should be hounded away. You have now turned awfully rancid and run out of steam with no ideas or vision flowing. Over the years while you allowed Goa to sink you have minted a fortune for your family to merrily feast on for generations. Less said the better on how your puppy Siddharth Kunkolienkar has risen from Rags to Riches and under the guise of making Panaji a Smart City has been now raking the moolah galore. So, Mr. Parrikar, it is time for you to gracefully pack up and hang up your very soiled boots so that Goa which today has sadly become a gambling, prostitution, narcotics and crime destination finally may see some much needed Acche din. In the words of Abraham Lincoln ‘You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time” Hoping better sense will prevail and wishing you a much deserved retirement. Yours Sincerely, Aires Rodrigues Advocate High Court C/G-2, Shopping Complex Ribandar Retreat, Ribandar – Goa – 403006 Mobile No: 9822684372 Office Tel No: (0832) 2444012 Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com Or airesrodrig...@yahoo.com You can also reach me on Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues Twitter@rodrigues_aires www.airesrodrigues.com
[Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO GOA CHIEF MINISTER MANOHAR PARRIKAR
Dear Mr. Manohar Parrikar, You are back after having from New York monitored the affairs in Goa round the clock, but understandably you are medically unfit to continue as our Chief Minister. You are entitled to all the rest you have been advised. But please do not allow Goa to suffer any longer. Despite your ill health you will now have to face the Goa Lokayukta which is probing that illegal renewal of mining leases by you and waiting in the wings is also an inquiry on your role in that alleged mega India-France Rafale fighter jet deal scam. You may recall that two decades ago, like many others, I too held you in great respect while even working alongside you and the BJP, believing that you were a ray of hope for Goa. But I had to part company after I was faced with evidence that you were very corrupt, communal and casteist. In 2007 you had publicly vowed that it would be your last election. However in that greed and lust for power you went back on your own word and contested yet again in 2012 and became Chief Minister after promising the people of Goa a Parivartan by way of Good Governance and Zero Tolerance to Corruption. But given your string of swift U Turns, the people of Goa soon realised that by trusting you and electing the BJP they landed from the frying pan into the fire. In November 2014 with the State engulfed in rampant Corruption, nepotism and bad governance, you left a messed up Goa in a huff to be the Defence Minister of India while you continued to deviously operate as the de-facto Chief Minister reducing the then incumbent Laxmikant Parsekar to a mere puppet. After your disastrous stint as Defence Minister, in March last year you very deceitfully and through all crooked means forced yourself back as Goa’s Chief Minister despite the people’s verdict having clearly been against the BJP. Panaji Constituency which now includes Ribandar sadly remains a decaying and sinking despite you having been its MLA for over two long decades, thrice the Chief Minister and even being the Defence Minister of the country. With all the power at your hands you could do nothing for your State and city. Incredibly, you had the audacity to last year seek yet another term as MLA despite your grim performance or should we say non performance. This is despicable. Now that you are health wise very incapacitated, can you give us one good reason as to why you should continue as MLA of Panaji and Chief Minister of Goa? Infact there are manifold grounds including your hunger for power and sheer arrogance, why you should be hounded away. You have now turned awfully rancid and run out of steam with no ideas or vision flowing. Over the years while you allowed Goa to sink you have minted a fortune for your family to merrily feast on for generations. Less said the better on how your puppy and collection agent Siddharth Kunkolienkar has risen from Rags to Riches and now under the guise of making Panaji a Smart City has been further raking the moolah galore. So, Mr. Parrikar, at least for the sake of what remains of Goem, Goenkar and Goenkarponn, it is time for you to gracefully pack up and hang up your very soiled boots so that Goa which today has sadly become a gambling, prostitution, narcotics and crime destination finally may see some much needed Acche din. In the words of Abraham Lincoln ‘You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time” Hoping better sense will prevail and wishing you a much deserved and long overdue retirement. Yours Sincerely, Aires Rodrigues Advocate High Court C/G-2, Shopping Complex Ribandar Retreat, Ribandar – Goa – 403006 Mobile No: 9822684372 Office Tel No: (0832) 2444012 Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com Or airesrodrig...@yahoo.com You can also reach me on Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues Twitter@rodrigues_aires www.airesrodrigues.com
[Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO GOA CHIEF MINISTER MANOHAR PARRIKAR
Dear Mr. Manohar Parrikar, It’s your birthday on 13th December and the best gift you can offer to the people of Goa is to gracefully tender your resignation and allow the State to move on. Goa cannot suffer any longer on account of your precarious state of health. Now that you are health wise very incapacitated you should not continue as MLA of Panaji and Chief Minister of Goa. There are manifold grounds why on account of your hunger for power and sheer arrogance you should be put to pasture. You may recall that over two decades ago, like many others, I too held you in great respect while even working alongside you and the BJP, believing that you were a ray of hope for Goa. But I had to part company after I was faced with evidence that you were very corrupt, communal and casteist. In 2007 you had publicly vowed that it would be your last election. However in that greed and lust for power you went back on your own word and contested yet again in 2012 and became Chief Minister after promising the people of Goa a Parivartan by way of Good Governance and Zero Tolerance to Corruption. But given your string of swift U Turns, the people of Goa soon realised that by trusting you and electing the BJP they landed from the frying pan into the fire. Panaji Constituency which now includes Ribandar sadly remains decaying and sinking despite you having been its MLA for over two long decades, thrice the Chief Minister and even being the Defence Minister of the country. With all that power at your hands you could do nothing for your State and even your constituency. Incredibly, you had the cheek to last year seek yet another term as MLA despite your grim performance or should we say non performance by falsely promising that in 365 days all the problems of Panaji would be resolved. Over the years while you allowed Goa to sink you have minted a fortune for your family to merrily feast on for generations to come So, Mr. Parrikar, at least for the sake of what remains of Goa, it is time for you to gracefully pack up and hang up your very soiled boots so that Goa which today has sadly become a gambling, prostitution, narcotics and crime destination finally may see some much needed Acche din. In the words of Abraham Lincoln ‘You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time” Sir, hoping that in a miracle better sense will prevail in you so that Goa can move on. Wishing you a much deserved and long overdue retirement. Yours Sincerely, Aires Rodrigues Advocate High Court C/G-2, Shopping Complex Ribandar Retreat, Ribandar – Goa – 403006 Mobile No: 9822684372 Office Tel No: (0832) 2444012 Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com Or airesrodrig...@yahoo.com You can also reach me on Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues Twitter@rodrigues_aires www.airesrodrigues.com
[Goanet] An Open Letter to L K Advani by George Menezes
Here is a typical christian response to the violence unleashed against them. Love thy enemy. No hate, no hypocrisy, no intellectual airs. http://georgemenace.com/an-open-letter-to-l-k-advani#more-61 Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731&path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731&page=1&pagecount=2&utm_source=indmail&utm_medium=footer&utm_content=tracking&utm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] An Open Letter to L K Advani by George Menezes
--- On Sat, 11/1/08, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here is a typical christian response to the violence > unleashed against them. Love thy enemy. No hate, no > hypocrisy, no intellectual airs. Santosh replied: How are typical Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Parsi or other non-Christian responses different from this? Comment: Possibly the same. However, I know what the hindutva response would be. Refer 1. Gujarat 2002 2. Orissa 2007/2008 ( Swami Lakshmananda allegedly killed by maoists, yet violence against christians) 3. Mangalore 2008 ( here no violence against hindus, yet violence against christians) 4. Goa 2008 ( no violence against hindus but some temples desecrated by unknown elements, yet violently enforced bandh) Do you wish me to enumerate many more such examples for you to defend? Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731&path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731&page=1&pagecount=2&utm_source=indmail&utm_medium=footer&utm_content=tracking&utm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] An Open Letter to L K Advani by George Menezes
Santosh wrote: I give below latest examples of partisan chauvinistic remarks, the likes of which are unlikely to promote communal harmony in this secular public forum. "Here is a typical christian response to the violence unleashed against them. Love thy enemy. No hate, no hypocrisy, no intellectual airs."..Marshall Mendonza Comment: I am amazed at Santosh's wild imagination. He sees red in the most innocuous statement. Any sensible, objective or levelheaded person reading the above statement will fail to find any criticism or objectionable word against any religion or anyone for that matter.In fact, he misses the crux of the message which was in the attachment, a write up by George Menezes addressed to L K Advani. May I ask Santosh whether he is allergic to the word 'christian'? As a christian am I banned from saying that my religion teaches me to offer my other cheek? Not to hate? Will Santosh kindly explain what is partisan or chauvinistic about this?. He too can follow the same principles. No one is stopping him. Also will he kindly explain in what way does such a statement fail to promote communal harmony? Does applauding Gurumurthy contribute to communal harmony? Does posting the article by Ingrid Albuquerque calling the protest against the carnage in Orissa 'an unnecessary furore' contribute to communal harmony? Santosh does not practice what he preaches. There is a word for this in the English language. It is called HYPOCRISY. Santosh apparently has formed some pre-conceived idea about me. Therefore anything that I post is like a red red rag to a bull for him. He just has to find some fault - real or imaginary.Mostly imaginary. May I request Santosh to at least read George Menezes' article and let us discus that rather than indulge in this inane debate which leads nowhere. Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731&path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731&page=1&pagecount=2&utm_source=indmail&utm_medium=footer&utm_content=tracking&utm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] An open letter to the Chief Secretary, Government of Goa
An open letter to J. P. Singh - Chief Secretary, Government of Goa Sir, It makes me feel no end safe and secure now that the border check posts are liberated from the rapacious greed of the Goa Police. I find my self at a loss to find words of praise for the I. G. P Kishan Kumar who actually had to disguise himself, use his unofficial car and sleuth on bike and foot to film the corrupt border guards. That corruption is rampant in the police department is a well known fact and even a school child of average intelligence will tell you, Sir. If you do have the time please take the time to check the records of the Panaji Police Headquarters. You will find that some years ago a police officer on duty at the police station booked a complaint against a traffic constable who was on duty at the bus stand for depositing a bundle of cash at the Panaji Police station counter. This was widely reported in the news papers. There was no further development in the case so presumably it was swept under the counter (literally). It is a disgrace to read in the newspapers that the hafta is spread across the board from Ministerial level to constable level! The point I am trying to make is that will the I. G. P. show as much diligence in putting a stop to the hafta taking by the cops in all matters such as foreigners riding bikes, the buses at the major bus stands, the matka taking (how can one explain a stall having only a table and a chair manned by a guy with receipt books and nothing else?), the laxity in enforcing traffic rules against overcrowded buses, non issuance of tickets, police themselves breaking traffic rules, the illegal scrap yards, ? May we know what the vigilance department is doing? Do these guys read the local papers? Or watch television? Newspapers have reported that a police inspector has a house way beyond his known sources of income. So how come no action is taken? The ordinary citizen needs liberation from these acts of extortion In the aftermath of 26/11 when all brooms are sweeping clean, will the Goan brooms come out of the closet? -- тσηу Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470 148 M: +91 9975162897 E: tonydesa at gmail dot com --- Things do not change; we change. - Henry David Thoreau
Re: [Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO GOA CHIEF MINISTER PRAMOD SAWANT
The ship of trust in your Goa Govt has long since sailed after the rule of the old stalwarts was over a decade or so after 1961. You cannot trust your officials and everybody knows that. In these days of quick knowledge from around the world, it’s up to each one to take his or her own precautions when you have a Govt of clowns. Each one for himself and God for all with personal accountability thrown in the mix. No sense in berating the insensitive people who rule whose main strategy is deny everything that is not favourable to them. Roland. > On Apr 28, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Aires Rodrigues > wrote: > > Dear Mr. Chief Minister, > > > > The people of Goa are aghast over your failure to step in decisively to try > and contain the further spread of the COVID-19 virus which is now raging > across the State. How many more deaths and positive cases are you willing > to stomach before you take the bull or virus by the horns? > > > >
[Goanet] AN OPEN LETTER TO THE ADVOCATE GENERAL OFGOA DEVIDAS PANGAM
My Dear Devidas, The day you were appointed as the Advocate General of Goa, we all rejoiced as we felt that a very honest, upright and ever so humble person was appointed to that coveted post. But our hopes are now being shattered as you alike your predecessors continue to be a pawn in the hands of your political masters. Being very well aware that this extremely chronic issue of potholes across the State is a concern to every citizen, while initially, you appreciated the concern of the Petitioner Pradeep Padgaonkar for having moved the Court, you have now justified reasons for having taken objection to the press conference taken by him as a point of propriety. But rules of the game have to be the same. If you seek to raise a plea on the basis of that high moral ground, then one cannot point a finger at others when four fingers point to the accuser. What propriety are you speaking about, Devidas? If I were in your place I would have never ever appeared before His Lordship Mahesh Sonak if I had been his junior for so many years. I hope that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Our brilliant Justice Sonak may be our first Goan hope who may be a Judge of the Supreme Court. I would therefore request you to desist from appearing before your former Senior to leave no room for gossip in the corridors of the High Court which is required to be as sanitized as the Court room itself. For as Lord Chief Justice Hewart said, justice should not only be done, but should manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done. He further stated that Nothing is to be done which creates even a suspicion that there has been an improper interference with the course of justice. And this is the fundamental principle being followed in our country in the dispensation of justice. As Advocate General you will appreciate the responsibility for promoting and protecting judicial independence. This is an important concept that the judiciary should be independent from other branches of government or from private or partisan interests and should not be subject to any improper influence. Devidas, as Power and Authority comes and also fades away, it is incumbent that we always maintain the highest levels of humility and mankind with our ears always to the ground. Yours Sincerely, Aires Rodrigues Advocate High Court C/G-2, Shopping Complex Ribandar Retreat, Ribandar – Goa – 403006 Mobile No: 9822684372 Office Tel No: (0832) 2444012 Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com Or airesrodrig...@yahoo.com You can also reach me on Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues Twitter@rodrigues_aires www.airesrodrigues.com
[Goanet] An Open Letter to Mr. Manohar Parrikar April 22, 2012
Dear Mr. Parrikar, It is no secret that I am in 'upsetment' with your electoral triumph. But, now that you are CM, I thought that I provide you with guidance. Please understand the following: a: I have lots of ideas. My ideas are the only way forward. These ideas must be brought to fruition day before yesterday. b: Being a patracar, I have every right to be present at the Goa Cabinet meetings. What do you have to hide from me and the Goan public? c: Being a patracar, I am allowed to write whatever I want to "hear" and assign it to you, even though you may not have said it. d: Anyone objecting to a patracar adding recheado masala to your words, is impinging on the patracar's artistic freedom. Now, the items you MUST handle as a priority 1: Fire from Gorrment service, anybody I don't like or against whom I have a vendetta. (You know, do you not, that I am Mr. Spotless?) 2: Immediately clean up all the mess created by the squatters and us. Are you not our servant? So, WHY have you not finished my work yesterday? I will present further list as and when I have time. >From Tongue-in-Chik Mangloor jc ps: Any grants, conferences at 7 star hotels, foren trips, other jobs where I have to work hardly, available for patracars like me? I could also serve as 'khursiwalla' of any corporation; best if I have office, table, chair and secretary. Files not necessary. Expense account would be nice. ps: Will I be able to Eat & Drink at any restaurant .and just walk away without having to pay? That would be excellent.
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to L K Advani by George Menezes
--- On Sat, 11/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here is a typical christian response to the violence > unleashed against them. Love thy enemy. No hate, no > hypocrisy, no intellectual airs. > How are typical Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Parsi or other non-Christian responses different from this? Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to L K Advani by George Menezes
I give below latest examples of partisan chauvinistic remarks, the likes of which are unlikely to promote communal harmony in this secular public forum. "I repeat again, my old advice to you: Become Christian and immediately U will have been 'Enlightened'!!! Your perception of everything even 'God' will change, for everybody's good! Try it, I challenge you. U will then be of greater service to mankind rather than just the scientific field." …..Nascy Caldeira "Here is a typical christian response to the violence unleashed against them. Love thy enemy. No hate, no hypocrisy, no intellectual airs." ..Marshall Mendonza When the sectarian chauvinism in the above remark was questioned from a secular pluralistic standpoint, here is how the questioner is now demonized as a defender of extremist religious opponents. "Possibly the same. However, I know what the hindutva response would be. Refer 1. Gujarat 2002 2. Orissa 2007/2008 ( Swami Lakshmananda allegedly killed by maoists, yet violence against christians) 3. Mangalore 2008 ( here no violence against hindus, yet violence against christians) 4. Goa 2008 ( no violence against hindus but some temples desecrated by unknown elements, yet violently enforced bandh) Do you wish me to enumerate many more such examples for you to defend?" ..Marshall Mendonza These underlying tendentious attitudes should be kept in mind when one encounters any posts from these contributors. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to L K Advani by George Menezes
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does applauding Gurumurthy contribute to communal harmony? > Does posting the article by Ingrid Albuquerque calling the > protest against the carnage in Orissa 'an unnecessary > furore' contribute to communal harmony? > Please note once again another attempt of Marshall to misinform and perpetuate the same false allegation against someone who disagrees with him, despite have been corrected before, and also to show utter intolerance towards an alternative point of view of a fellow Christian. This is how a partisan propaganda campaign tends to be carried out. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to L K Advani by George Menezes
> Dear Santosh, > Tum kitea mhunta rea? read below. > > --- On Sun, 2/11/08, Santosh Helekar > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Here is a typical christian response to the > violence > > > unleashed against them. Love thy enemy. No hate, > no > > > hypocrisy, no intellectual airs. > > From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > How are typical Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, > Parsi > > or other non-Christian responses different from this? > > Santosh > > Nascy Caldeira: (to Santosh and others like him) > Santosh, what do U think? Give us your frank opinion and > solutions that work; on the violence and absence of law and > order; taking the law into one's own hands; acting as > prosecutor, judge and 'goonda'. > Is this the Hindu style and perception? Is this why U felt > shame and turned into an (self declared) agnostic Hindu? > > Determined communal, fascist persons and groups do respond > differently, from the way George Menezes has responded. U > should be enlightened by him. > Are U looking for 'scientific proof? perhaps? > Give up your sly defence of these atrocities; and for once > speak and act openly against these. The way U are going, > appears to me, as being apologetic towards these goonda > perpetrators. > > I repeat again, my old advice to you: Become Christian and > immediately U will have been 'Enlightened'!!! Your > perception of everything even 'God' will change, for > everybody's good! Try it, I challenge you. U will then > be of greater service to mankind rather than just the > scientific field. > > Cheers! > Nascy Caldeira > Down Under. Search 1000's of available singles in your area at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started http://au.dating.yahoo.com/?cid=53151&pid=1011
[Goanet] An open letter to Pamela Mascarenhas - Deputy Director of Tourism, Goa
To Pamela Mascarenhas, Deputy Director of Tourism (Goa) Dear Ms. Mascarenhas, May I say how appalled I was by the following (attached) statement reportedly made by you? For, while you are quite right that all women must try avoid being assaulted by the criminal men who assault them, and while you are also right to advise women to attire themselves appropriately, the following sentence, attributed to you, is disgraceful. You are reported as having stated that: "You can't blame the locals; they have never seen such women..." So, to which horizon will this 'slippery slope' lead women visiting Goa? a: "You can't blame the migrants; they have never seen Goan women..." b: "You can't blame the sex-starved men; they have never seen women..." c: etc etc. It is possible that you meant to say something else, and misspoke. What is certain, my dear, is that you would need to think seriously before to you draft a press statement. I also suggest that the statement is then vetted by someone who is more sensitive to the needs of women than you have come across as. I hope that the Women's groups slam you for this. But then again, one never knows. sincerely j. colaco BURKHA anyone? http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/81607/India/No+bikinis+on+Goa+beaches.html The deputy director of Goa Tourism, Pamela Mascarenhas, blamed foreign tourists for bringing the assaults upon themselves. Expressing sentiments similar to those of Goa MP Shantaram Naik, which had led to a furore in the Rajya Sabha in December, Mascarenhas said, "You can't blame the locals; they have never seen such women.
[Goanet] An open letter to Goa Governor, Mridula Sinha (Monika Kshatriya, Newzhook)
An open letter to Goa Governor, Mridula Sinha My Take by Monika Kshatriya My Take this week is by Monika Kshatriya, a disability rights activist and freelance journalist based in Goa. Monika has over 17 years' experience in TV news and has an abiding interest in issues concerning persons with disabilities, environment and gender non-conformists and continues reporting on these issues. Dear Ms. Governor, On Saturday, at a celebratory event in Porvorim, you managed to turn a victorious mood to a bitter and anguished one. With just one line, you displayed not just your utter lack of understanding of diversity, but you also managed to trample upon the very Constitution that you swore to uphold while taking an oath to office. You were invited as the chief guest at the prize distribution ceremony of the T20 Series between India, Sri Lanka and England. This sporting event was organised by the Goa Cricket Association and the Cricket Association for the Blind in India. The mood was jubilant because the hosts, Team India, managed to claim the cup. This was a moment to celebrate the special abilities of the players, the grit and determination of a team that fought against all kinds of physical and mental barriers to reaching this far. What everyone expected or hoped to hear from you were words of praise for these path breakers, who are an inspiration to many sportspersons in this cricket-obsessed nation of ours. Instead, you chose to heap a huge dollop of humiliation served with a garnish of insult and served with deep insensitivity. You said "Blind people are a mistake committed by God and it is a miracle such people can play cricket". Ms Governor, today you hold the exalted office of the governor. You are sworn to uphold the law. We address you as "Her Excellency", not because you were born in a certain family, religion or caste, but because you are appointed by the President himself to the high office to ensure that the Constitution is adhered to. Let me enlighten you about what the Constitution says in this regard. Under the Rights of Persons with Disabilities Act, 2016 the government is required to inter alia, ensure/protect a disabled person’s right to equality, dignity and respect for his/her integrity equally with others; right to personal liberty, right not to be discriminated against; right to live in a community, and right to equal protection. Clearly in complete disregard of this Act, you have attempted to strip persons with disabilities of the dignity they deserve. Cricket for the Blind is a specialised sport. It requires a special skill to play it and clearly not everyone can. I assure you that even a blind-folded Sachin Tendulkar or Virat Kohli will not be able to clear the qualification round for the district team. Clearly, you failed to see the abilities of these sports persons. All you could focus on was their disability. Also, it didn't take a "miracle" for these sportsmen to perform, but sheer sweat and hard work in perfecting their game. A person with visual impairment has to cross a million hurdles to get to a sports field. After years of struggle one reaches the international level and plays a game. And then to be told that you are god’s mistake - is demeaning to say the least. Ms. Governor, may I also jog your memory. This is not the first time a right wing politician has repeated this idea. Can you please enlighten me about which text of the Sanatan dharma propounds this idea of God's mistake? So you might argue on the "Karma” theory, that persons with Disability, whom the Prime Minster has lovingly termed "Diyang" (one with divine limbs), are a result of mistakes made in their last birth. Well, then you must admit that one the most revered poets of the Bhakti movement, Surdas, was a huge mistake. Finally, please don't put this down to a mistake of the Almighty, but to your inability to understand diversity and the law. Your inability to understand that each of us, irrespective of our physical features, is a perfect creation. https://newzhook.com/story/20256?fbclid=IwAR2ENo_zyKr1RTVjANxipfj8dwPl06HZpY92kVikdAs54RocJMUeL7lqSx8
[Goanet] An Open Letter to our Cardinal-to-Be (FN, The Goan)
An Open Letter to our Cardinal-to-Be Dear Archbishop, A search online took me to the many confusing ways for aptly addressing a Cardinal. But, permit me to opt out of those. Not because your elevation in the Church is a few days away, but as a way of underlining How your simplicity and humility has touched people like me. I've been one of those whom you told, "Call me Father", not a long time back, and I will cherish that memory. On Sunday, much of Goa, I'd guess, was thrilled to realise that one of their very own was soon to become a Cardinal. It was as if their deep faith had been recognised, critiques of a Western-dominated Church somewhat blunted, and what might seem to be like trying times had also been acknowledged. People of my generation have accompanied your role in the Church. It seems like yesterday when you were installed in March 2004, as archbishop, if not mistaken, at the See Cathedral. (Or was that 1994, when you took over as auxiliary bishop? Time just flies...) A lot of people are going to say a lot of good things at a time like this. This you certainly deserve. But let me not waste this space by focussing on what many know. Instead, this could also be an excuse for stock-taking, for a look back at the recent past (and more remote periods), and for a commonman's visions of the future as far as Catholicism in Goa goes. Despite all the challenges, I am not one of those who sees a pessimistic future. At least not as long as the common people (leave aside our political class) keep their hearts simple and pure, stay honest in their dealings with their fellowmen of all faith, and keep their peace in this world as well. We were in school when the Church in Goa was in the throes of change in the uncertain years of the 1960s. The few printed records of those times don't tell the story adequately; but some senior to us still have sharp memories. Those were not easy times, and we too could feel the pressures on our elders then. Changing from being a Portuguese-run to a post-colonial Church was definitely not an easy task. With some limitiations, it has been done. Vatican II came along, the Church took to Konkani in a big way (maybe even overlooking the need for some linguistic diversity). It made some bold changes. For some, this was not enough. For others, it was too much. But then, as they say, you can't please all. Whatever the critics hold, there is also a half-filled glass there. Many things deserve to be appreciated. You yourself, your predecessor Archbishop Raul, have taken the community forward, spiritually as also in the real world. I'm sure Bishop Francisco Xavier da Piedade Rebello †, the apostolic administrator who retired in 1972, probably would have done the same. (I sound uncertain because he was before our times, maybe we need more writings on Church leaders, or probably I'm just ill-informed here.) Over the years, we've seen the Church transform. In the 1970s, priests came across as blunt, sometimes even arrogant. There was a fear then of activist stands. But change has come; up to a point. Critics like us have sometimes appreciated its stands on the environment, activism, and its willingness to speak out. For a Church which once was pro-status quo, it was willing to speak out, and pay the price. The willingness to speak out has brought the institution in conflict with some secular heads. This has resulted in unhelpful decisions, by the State, on issues like the Medium of Instruction. But, one could bet that more of the faithful are proud of how their Chuch works now, than it ever did in pre-1961 times, when it looked like an extension of the State. Without being too self-congratulatory, there is of course need for introspection, deep-thought and planning ahead. Our community is also facing a number of challenges, some not related to the Church as an institution, but which the Church can definitely play a role over. As of now, many Catholic Goans are being convinced that they have little to no future in their home-state and motherland. The push to out-migration is all-encompassing. If nobody can stop the desire to leave, can we ensure that out Daizpora retains their daiz, a link with home, and a desire to one day return as many other Indic communities do? The community seems to be flagging in building up a generation of leaders. In the 1960s and 1970s, we had leadership development programmes, and social activism trends. In the conflict between the two diverse roads, we seem to have largely given up on both. We are reminded that Goa has so many "Catholic" leaders, only when they commit some controversial deeds. They are in no way accountable to the community, but the community gets slurred when they defect, indulge in corruption or electoral practice, or seek to offer a secular ma
Re: [Goanet] An open letter to Pamela Mascarenhas - Deputy Director of Tourism, Goa
Hi JC, Some recent work has been put out in the form of a book by the Raitur seminarians. The headline in the Dec 19, MMIX issue of Vavraddeancho Ixtt read "Raiturchea Siminaristamni Turismachea vaitt probavacho poskotto foddlo." Essentially meaning, Raitur Seminarians Reveal Ill Effects of Tourism." "Claiming the Right to say No' hem pustok fatllea Aitara Goycho Arsebisp Filipe Neri Ferrao-an odhikrutponnim (officially) usvadda haddlem." For those less familiar with written Konkani, the three excerpts cover three points. But before that let us first remember: something that Silviano Barboza pointed out in 2005, namely: Ek don tin --- hampri Agutin Char panch sou --- cheddvank mellonam ghou. (Atam gomlem, cheddean zounvop unnea nam. Dis ani dis novim dharan ugtim zatai). Mhojea hispan --- kortat te kora punn osleo vatteo/ritteo ghara bhitor gheun ye naka. 01. On Drugs, Nexus between dealers politicians (Goa & Delhi) and the stakes, turf involved, police and providers/enablers, Seems like some sort of a larger plan too. 02. "would you like to have sex? Sex, offers for sex, this could lead to entrapment of the police are in on it. 03. [Reserach methodology properly maintained] Toddea "bhag" zoxea xaplam V Ixtt-ant. [On Drugs, Nexus between dealers politicians (Goa & Delhi) and the stakes, turf involved, police and providers/enablers, Seems like some sort of a larger plan too.] Eka turisttachea utramni, Myron Jesson Narreto oxem boroita: "Izraeli 'turistt Goyant yetana, aplea vangdda Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kaxmir, adi zageancher thaun kallim vokhdam haddtat, ani tim vikunk Goykaramcho ani Bharoti lokancho te vapor kortat. Kallim vokdam vikpi Israel turisttancho Goychea ani Dil'lintlea montreancher tabo asta. Te tankam borpur duddu farik kortat, Hem turistt lok pulisank-ui lonch ditat." Kallea vokdancho dhondo korpi Izrael lok Goychea pulisank borech duddhu khavoitat, ani tancho Goychea montream kodde-isom'bond asa oxem Mario Fernandesan sabar turisttanche sangnnevelean aplea boroupant mhonnlam. [Sex, offers for sex, this could lead to entrapment of the police are in on it.] Ratchea vellar turisttanchi 'open life' zata ani hangasor ugteponni kallim vokhdam viktat tantun her turisttam vangda Goyche tornnate-i bhag getat tem Sanford Araujochea borovpantlean spoxtt zata, Konn-ui ekloeksuro dislear, eka kagdachea kuddkear "would you like to have sex?" oxem boroun her turistt lok tachea mhoreant yetat oxem to sangta, [Reserach methodology properly maintained] Aplea survatecha boroupant Dr. Ferrao, siminaristamni kel'ea he obheasacho hetu vevosthit ritin sangla, Te boroupantlean dakoileli Gouchi poristhiti Gouchem nisonnton korunk xokta oxen tannem mhonnlam, Tech khatir nove, samball korpa ani ganv-ghorchea somudayak faideak poddpa sarkea turismachi tannem goroz ugtaili. venantius j pinto From: "J. Colaco < jc>" To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] An open letter to Pamela Mascarenhas - Deputy Director of Tourism, Goa To Pamela Mascarenhas, Deputy Director of Tourism (Goa) Dear Ms. Mascarenhas, May I say how appalled I was by the following (attached) statement reportedly made by you? For, while you are quite right that all women must try avoid being assaulted by the criminal men who assault them, and while you are also right to advise women to attire themselves appropriately, the following sentence, attributed to you, is disgraceful. You are reported as having stated that: "You can't blame the locals; they have never seen such women..."
Re: [Goanet] An open letter to Pamela Mascarenhas - Deputy Director of Tourism, Goa
In response to my Open Letter to Pamela Mascarenhas, Dy. Director of Goa Tourism, Venantius J Pinto wrote: " recent work has been put out in the form of a book by the Raitur seminarians: Raitur Seminarians Reveal Ill Effects of Tourism." Dear Venantius, As one who lives in a mainly tourist economy and one who has seen how controlled tourism development can help the development of infrastructure and local employment, I will say the following of tourism: 1: It all depends on what controls are set in place. 2: If there is structured development without duplicity of terms, the ill-effects are automatically minimised. I ask: Do you not believe that the economies of NY and London (as examples) are benefited (in the sum total) by tourism? Can you just walk up in NY or London and build whatever you wish without regard to the environmental and safety standards? For sometime a few years ago, when I served as an advisor/consultant to the WHO/PAHO, I had the opportunity to visit some of the islands of the West Indies - esp the Eastern Antilles. My observations of tourist economies in the region, the lowering of the 'native' standard of living when tourism declined, was the basis of my 'blue print' for how tourism can benefit a tourist destination. It is dated but, for what it is worth, it is found here: http://www.colaco.net/1/tourism1.htm Having said that, I do not for one second wish to let Pamela Mascarenhas off the hook for a statement which I expected from some chauvinist man with no sense. Not from an educated woman, and that too, a senior official of the Goa Tourism department. Any other part of the world . and she would have been history. But then, the GRGs and BRGs know better than we do. Do they not? Once again: this is the nonsense that Pamela Mascarenhas is reported as having said (I have not yet seen a denial or an allegation of a misquote) :" You can't blame the locals; they have never seen such women" jc
