Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
The problem with this fake supurlo Goencar is he never practices what he preaches. For example, despite what he claims here, he is invariably the first person to shoot the messenger, as he has done with Charles Dellon, Claudius Buchanan, Anant Priolkar and Alfredo De Mello in connection with the Goan inquisition. Second, despite claiming that he agrees with me regarding lack of knowledge about the Goan inquisition, he is the worst apologist in white-washing what may or may not have happened in Goa, without knowing much about it. He has also spun and fabricated, not one, but several fact-free wild theories about what the inquisition was about, the latest of which was to equate it with the Portuguese state disciplining non-Catholic quacks. He is also not able to distinguish between the facts of history, as opposed to fiction, as written in fictional novels by people like Zimler. In this he is similar to the people who were militating against Dan Brown, Salman Rushdie, J. K. Rowling, M. F. Hussain, Subodh Kerkar and Jose Perreira in opposition to their creative works. Indeed, his situation is worse because, as I have mentioned above, unlike them he tries to pass off his wild revisionist speculations as historical facts. In short, what the fake supurlo Goencar says is not to be trusted. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: So glad to read the above from Santosh. Finally the light about 'the lack of information and hard data' has made its way through the fog of this topic. Alleluia! Alleluia! Santosh is finally saying the same thing, that some of us have been saying all along. Reading historical publications of the 18th and 19th century AND CLOSE SCRUTINY of what is written in the 21st century on Goanet and elsewhere does not corroborate. Thanks for agreeing with us and the supurlo goenkar. ... Bravo finally. So my question: If we do not know much about the history of inquisition in Goa, how come so much is being written and commented about the Inquisition in Goa? This includes the non-stop challenges you and others raise; and views of secondary and tertiary writers? These include Richard Zimler and Alfredo DeMello in their books and in various websites, including Wikipedia. Where is the editor of these websites checking the facts and the references? If you stopped your habit of 'shoot the messenger', you and us would be a lot smarter sooner rather than later. I hope you will join this supurlo goenkar in challenging authors to place before us the HARD DATA AND SPECIFIC FACTS OF THE INQUISITION IN GOA to support their opinions and conclusions, which are written in broad strokes and wide generalities. Rationale and justification given for the historian's bias is plain hogwash! Santosh's one sentence above repudiates all that is written in the wikipedia article about the Goa inquisition; and by the fact-less title of this thread (not my choosing) Goa: The Cruelest Inquisition. I call on ALL Goans who are interested in critical analysis and factual references to join Santosh and me to refute the wikipedia article on Inquisition in Goa and hold the writers of the article to 21st century standards of factual writing and interpretation of history. If the facts are not known, just say so! Do not confabulate events in Goa and confuse them with Europe or elsewhere. There is no reason why we-both and others could not impress and encourage the Goa historians to have the same high standards as other historians for minimum; or as high standards as science in having facts support the opinions. Or are we having in Goa history what a JAMA review article called Spin. I am sure fictional novelist Victor Rangel-Ribeiro will join us in condemning the use of fictional novels, leisure travel accounts, and autobiographies written in the 20th and 21st century as reference and documentary evidence of events in the 16th, 17th, 18th century. This is the ultimate insult to Goans. Regards, GL _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ tambdimati: the Goa review is a community blog of original _/ art, writing, music, news and commentary from and about the _/ smallest state in the subcontinent. check out the newest _/ member of the Goanet family daily at _/ http://www.tambdimati.com. _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
--- Santosh Helekar wrote: It is clear from the literature that we do not know much about the history of inquisition in Goa. GL responds: So glad to read the above from Santosh. Finally the light about 'the lack of information and hard data' has made its way through the fog of this topic. Alleluia! Alleluia! Santosh is finally saying the same thing, that some of us have been saying all along. Reading historical publications of the 18th and 19th century AND CLOSE SCRUTINY of what is written in the 21st century on Goanet and elsewhere does not corroborate. Thanks for agreeing with us and the supurlo goenkar. ... Bravo finally. So my question: If we do not know much about the history of inquisition in Goa, how come so much is being written and commented about the Inquisition in Goa? This includes the non-stop challenges you and others raise; and views of secondary and tertiary writers? These include Richard Zimler and Alfredo DeMello in their books and in various websites, including Wikipedia. Where is the editor of these websites checking the facts and the references? If you stopped your habit of 'shoot the messenger', you and us would be a lot smarter sooner rather than later. I hope you will join this supurlo goenkar in challenging authors to place before us the HARD DATA AND SPECIFIC FACTS OF THE INQUISITION IN GOA to support their opinions and conclusions, which are written in broad strokes and wide generalities. Rationale and justification given for the historian's bias is plain hogwash! Santosh's one sentence above repudiates all that is written in the wikipedia article about the Goa inquisition; and by the fact-less title of this thread (not my choosing) Goa: The Cruelest Inquisition. I call on ALL Goans who are interested in critical analysis and factual references to join Santosh and me to refute the wikipedia article on Inquisition in Goa and hold the writers of the article to 21st century standards of factual writing and interpretation of history. If the facts are not known, just say so! Do not confabulate events in Goa and confuse them with Europe or elsewhere. There is no reason why we-both and others could not impress and encourage the Goa historians to have the same high standards as other historians for minimum; or as high standards as science in having facts support the opinions. Or are we having in Goa history what a JAMA review article called Spin. I am sure fictional novelist Victor Rangel-Ribeiro will join us in condemning the use of fictional novels, leisure travel accounts, and autobiographies written in the 20th and 21st century as reference and documentary evidence of events in the 16th, 17th, 18th century. This is the ultimate insult to Goans. Regards, GL _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ tambdimati: the Goa review is a community blog of original _/ art, writing, music, news and commentary from and about the _/ smallest state in the subcontinent. check out the newest _/ member of the Goanet family daily at _/ http://www.tambdimati.com. _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: a: My attitude to your responses to my posts or our book is that to a 'wet diaper' (should sound familiar) - On my butt and full of sh-t. b: Your TGF chat-site ... == jc's response: a: I agree with Gilbert Lawrence. b: I thank him profusely for his response. c: He is indeed brilliant, at least IMHO. d: Not being used to his lingo, I refrain from commenting about his choice of language with good wishes as always jc just for clarification: TGF is NOT a chat site. Never was, Never will be. But If Goa (as a Gilbertian book states) is at an altitude higher than Mt. Everest; perhaps ...TGF was/is or will be a chat site. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ tambdimati: the Goa review is a community blog of original _/ art, writing, music, news and commentary from and about the _/ smallest state in the subcontinent. check out the newest _/ member of the Goanet family daily at _/ http://www.tambdimati.com. _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
It is clear from the literature that we do not know much about the history of inquisition in Goa. Recently, one of our prominent Goan historians had chalked out a promising research project to translate some primary sources stored in the national library in Brazil. A few of us were enthusiastic about supporting the effort financially, prominent among whom were Eric, Valmiki and George. But most Goans who read about the appeal did not have any interest in and/or commitment to knowing about our history as revealed through the primary sources. In fact, one of them appeared to be actively cynical of and opposed to, this effort. He happens to be the self-appointed supurlo Goencar. So his interest in this part of Goan history appears to be similar to that of Konraad Elst in Indian history. The same is true to lesser degree with one of the administrators of Goanet. Cheers, Santosh --- On Wed, 10/27/10, George Pinto georgejpi...@yahoo.com wrote: Gilbert is right. Hindu temples in Goa were knocked down by a Muslim typhoon following a Buddhist hurricane and atheist cyclone. The remaining temples left standing collapsed on their own out of sheer embarrassment that they had withstood such atrocities. I do not understand why the views of professional and academically trained historians with a lifetime of experience should be accepted. Did they not believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy at one time? Huffington post has clearly identified them as impostors. I agree with Gilbert that Catholics do no wrong. The whole priest sex abuse scandal and cover-up by authorities is a conspiracy perpetuated by atheists who dressed up as priests to confuse the public. There is no reason too that Copernicus and Galileo should not have been executed first and then a trial held to find them guilty. Science should be left to those who practice medicine and homeopathy. If Gilbert were to say the sun rises in the West and sets in the North or South or whatever, who are these non-Catholics to question his theory. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ tambdimati: the Goa review is a community blog of original _/ art, writing, music, news and commentary from and about the _/ smallest state in the subcontinent. check out the newest _/ member of the Goanet family daily at _/ http://www.tambdimati.com. _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: For those who are wondering what this 'loud-mouth' is hollering about, JC suggests that Indian vaidays and the hakims were twiddling their thumbs waiting for a German to tell them what homeopathy remedies to use to treat their patients. Likely Indians were using the very ingredients long before they knew about Germany or the word homeopathy. Here is from a wikipedia about agents used in homeopathic treatments. Homeopathy uses many animal, plant, mineral, and synthetic substances in its remedies. Examples include Arsenicum album (arsenic oxide), Natrum muriaticum (sodium chloride or table salt), Lachesis muta (the venom of the bushmaster snake), Opium, and Thyroidinum (thyroid hormone). Homeopaths also use treatments called nosodes (from the Greek nosos, disease) made from diseased or pathological products such as fecal, urinary, and respiratory discharges, blood, and tissue.[48] Homeopathic remedies prepared from healthy specimens are called sarcodes. The loud-mouth claims that I do not do my research before I write. Then JC alludes that I plagiarize / paraphrase from experts when I write. - JC's response (semi-plagiarised using material from posts by FN and Aires): Thanks doc for that long-winded and absurd post! It would be a 'mistaken misconception' for anyone to believe that JC does not learn from Gilbertian brilliance. Please be advised that JC always does learn - whenever he reads Gilbertian brilliance aka absurdity. The lessons for me to take home from the above quoted Gilbert-posting are the following: (a) It is legal (even advisable) to submit a book to the US Library of Congress which is almost entirely plagiarised. (b) Goa is at a higher altitude than Mt. Everest; After all, Gilbert's 'reference' book says so and we all know, do we not, that Gilbert researches before he goes to print. (c) Hindu Vaidyas were using snake venom, thyroid hormone (from sheep) and pathological products in the practice. Ola Ayurveda! Atrocious! JC _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ tambdimati: the Goa review is a community blog of original _/ art, writing, music, news and commentary from and about the _/ smallest state in the subcontinent. check out the newest _/ member of the Goanet family daily at _/ http://www.tambdimati.com. _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Gilbert is right. Hindu temples in Goa were knocked down by a Muslim typhoon following a Buddhist hurricane and atheist cyclone. The remaining temples left standing collapsed on their own out of sheer embarrassment that they had withstood such atrocities. I do not understand why the views of professional and academically trained historians with a lifetime of experience should be accepted. Did they not believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy at one time? Huffington post has clearly identified them as impostors. I agree with Gilbert that Catholics do no wrong. The whole priest sex abuse scandal and cover-up by authorities is a conspiracy perpetuated by atheists who dressed up as priests to confuse the public. There is no reason too that Copernicus and Galileo should not have been executed first and then a trial held to find them guilty. Science should be left to those who practice medicine and homeopathy. If Gilbert were to say the sun rises in the West and sets in the North or South or whatever, who are these non-Catholics to question his theory. Gilbert, I had no idea that Nehru and Napolean were twin cousins. Never struck me that their first names both began with the letter N. May I kindly request the anti-Goanet mafia bosses to stop criticizing Gilbert. There is no such thing as fiction, at worst it is fictional truth. There is the word truth in what Gilbert writes and that is good enough for me. George
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
In a long-winded, Ringa Ringa Roses post Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com included the following: In the 16th / 17th century, vaidyas and hakims were the native doctors, and ipso facto, at best they were homeopaths and aurveydics RESPONSE: a: After reading yet another convoluted attempt at revisionism wrt that ghastly Inquisition, I am going to have a nice cup of chai. b: I have previously noted, in Gilbert's scrap-book aka Amchi Khobor, that Goa is at an altitude higher then Mt Everest. c: I am now amazed that Homeopathy may have been practised in Goa in the 16th / 17th century. d: I wonder why all and sundry give credit for the development of Homeopathy to a German chap at the end of the 18th century. Wah! jc
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Who needed them, Jose, when we had my aunts to diagnose, and my mother's noxious kitchen dispensations. Gilbert knew them well ! eric. From: J. Colaco jc colaco1@ In a long-winded, Ringa Ringa Roses post Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com included the following: In the 16th / 17th century, vaidyas and hakims were the native doctors, and ipso facto, at best they were homeopaths and aurveds
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
JC has done a gotcha on Gilbert, as is his style when he disagrees with someone's point of view. But is Gilbert implying that JC and his ike might be the Grand Inquisitors of the 21st century, when they go out of their way to come down heavy on pillory those whom they don't agree with . Specially if they advocate an alternate system of medicine other than allopathy? If that is the case, and if (too many if's here!) I'm not reading too much into this, then maybe we could even call for applicants to fill the post of an AK Priolkar equivalent! Patrice (Even Though His French Genes are Suspect) Riemens could help in building a new Dutch Black Legend too when he takes a break from his Turkish tea :-) FN Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 27 October 2010 17:39, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: In a long-winded, Ringa Ringa Roses post Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com included the following: In the 16th / 17th century, vaidyas and hakims were the native doctors, and ipso facto, at best they were homeopaths and aurveydics RESPONSE: a: After reading yet another convoluted attempt at revisionism wrt that ghastly Inquisition, I am going to have a nice cup of chai. b: I have previously noted, in Gilbert's scrap-book aka Amchi Khobor, that Goa is at an altitude higher then Mt Everest. c: I am now amazed that Homeopathy may have been practised in Goa in the 16th / 17th century. d: I wonder why all and sundry give credit for the development of Homeopathy to a German chap at the end of the 18th century.
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: [1] JC has done a gotcha on Gilbert, as is his style when he disagrees with someone's point of view. [2] But is Gilbert implying that JC and his ike might be the Grand Inquisitors of the 21st century, when they go out of their way to come down heavy on pillory those whom they don't agree with . Specially if they advocate an alternate system of medicine other than allopathy? [3] If that is the case, and if (too many if's here!) I'm not reading too much into this, JC's response: Ah Lord! Anyway ... I believe FN needs a 'mudança'. He is right. He is indeed 'reading too much into this'. Either that or it is the darn Ancylostoma duodenale in action. For starters, there is very little that I have read from Gilbert, of late, that I disagree with; mainly because I have read very little of what Gilbert has been writing in recent times. Besides, I am not really adroit enough to compare and contrast the medical views on blogs. Basically, if I want to gain any knowledge in the field of medicine, I go to source studies where I look at how the studies were conducted. That information is usually found in the 'materials and methods' of the study. For review articles, I go to the peer review journals found on the subscription d-bases. I am not qualified enough to argue with you about peer-review journals. wrt the practice of medicine, I am not in the same league as Gilbert. He is a well accomplished cancer-specialist. I am a mere physician who looks after little kids. I practice evidence-based medicine and teach the practice of risk-avoidance in the practice of medicine. In a field where patients have rights and doctors have duties, there is something called the 'standard of care'. I find it safer and less stressful to follow the accepted standard of care. I am sure that Gilbert does that too. I am sure that like me, Gilbert believes that those who put themselves out as doctors - should be licensed to practice medicine and have malpractice coverage. It is not an anti-competition provision just a one of public policy which is meant to look after the patient's interest. (Gilbert surely knows of the Stark legislation (US) and its purpose). I do not know if Gilbert believes in 'alternative medicine', I certainly do not have a clue of alternative medicine. My reference to quacks is specifically directed at those who purport to be 'doctors' (of whatever system of medicine) but who do not have qualifications recognised by that very system of medicine. My only issues with Gilbert are the following (I am sure he and others have many issues with me); For an educated person, Gilbert does not bother to verify (or correct) his factsand that he believes that plagiarism contained in a book (not a blog) submitted to the Library of Congress (US) is OK. Now, what problem did you have with me and people of my ike (ilk)? Did you too believe that the Inquisition was OK or that Homeopathy was first practised in Goa? With the best of wishes jc
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Thanks doc for that long and lovely post! The lesson for me to take home is that I have been continually misspelling the word ike (ilk)... Atrocious! FN Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 28 October 2010 05:28, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: Now, what problem did you have with me and people of my ike (ilk)? Did you too believe that the Inquisition was OK or that Homeopathy was first practised in Goa?
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Dear Gilbert, Are you now claiming that one of the purposes of the Inquisition in Goa was to stamp out medical malpractice by non-Catholic doctors? If you can document such cases in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries, you will have a sure best-selling treatise on your hands. Regards, Victor From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 3:47:21 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition Gabriel de Figueiredo Why dig out only the Portuguese? Perhaps comparative history would be better - how many people were subject to torture in England in the same period, and how many people were tortured in India by the Brits in a similar period for political and religious reasons? --- GL responds: As I was writing my last response to this thread, I read the posts about the practice of medicine by medical quacks - aka non-certified physicians. Today likely in Goa and India; but definitely in UK, Australia, USA, etc medical quacks are barred and even subject to criminal prosecutions because of the risk of killing patients. Medical quacks are certainly condemned on Goanet. Yet similar efforts in 16th, 17th, 18th century in colonial Goa against non-certified doctors a.k.a. vaidya (Hindu), hakim (Muslim) are called the abuses of Inquisition. Given the economic advancement of colonial Goa, it was an attractive place for anyone seeking to improve their socio-economic status. The govt action of colonial Goa is condemned, by the same people, who rightly condemn the current medical practices of non-certified medical practitioners. I find this hypocrisy and / or ignorance amusing. I am not claiming that 'certified physicians' of the 16th, 17th, 18th century were practicing 'evidence based medicine' and were always curing patients. All I am claiming is the desire to license physicians in the 20th and 21st century was as significant and important as in the 16th, 17th, 18th century in colonial Goa. Regards, GL
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Why dig out only the Portuguese? Perhaps comparative history would be better - how many people were subject to torture in England in the same period, and how many people were tortured in India by the Brits in a similar period for political and religious reasons? - Original Message From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Fri, 22 October, 2010 11:49:58 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition Eddie, if / when Richard Zimler (author of the Goa-based mystery novel) comes to any Goan function in London, can you ask him if he has any references for data (age, sex, occupations, ethnicity, religion, nationalities, etc and crimes accused), on the 57 individuals condemned to capital punishment over the 213 years of the Inquisition in Goa?
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: Why dig out only the Portuguese? Perhaps comparative history would be better . jc's comment: My dear Gabriel, From my reading, Gilbert is making two two points: a: Enough of speculation and revisionism. Produce the data. This is a valid point. b: If Richard Zimler does not produce 'references' in his NOVEL, why should anyone else who writes a book? This is not a valid point. BTW: Even if one life was lost by way of the Inquisition, it is one too many. In my own mind, the benefit which the Portuguese had produced by way of the abolition of Sati, was lost by their masterly inactivity in relation to the Inquisition. There is no point is arguing that the Inquisition in Goa cost only 215 lives while God alone knows how many hundreds of thousands of widows/mothers.sisters/daughters were put to death by way of Sati. BTW: There are many among us who wonder why I keep harping on Sati. Well, when I see the reported incidence of female infanticide in India, I wonder if it is not Sati-reduxonly, in advance. jc - Original Message From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com Eddie, if / when Richard Zimler (author of the Goa-based mystery novel) comes to any Goan function in London, can you ask him if he has any references for data (age, sex, occupations, ethnicity, religion, nationalities, etc and crimes accused), on the 57 individuals condemned to capital punishment over the 213 years of the Inquisition in Goa?
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Eddie, if / when Richard Zimler (author of the Goa-based mystery novel) comes to any Goan function in London, can you ask him if he has any references for data (age, sex, occupations, ethnicity, religion, nationalities, etc and crimes accused), on the 57 individuals condemned to capital punishment over the 213 years of the Inquisition in Goa? If he does not have such data: Can you inquire how does he substantiates his opinion on his web, and other writings about the targeting of various groups by the Inquisition in Goa? Such questions could also be directed to any Goan historian or otherwise who opines about specific groups being targeted by the Inquisition in Goa. Thanks in anticipation. Regards, GL --- Eddie Fernandes Muslims were the major victims of the Spanish Inquisition in Goa. Richard Zimler of course focuses on the couple of Jews. But his work is seminal in the sense that it highlights the plight of the Goans... Zimler says, My novel, Guardian of the Dawn, takes place in the Portuguese colony of Goa during the early 17th century, and it is an historical mystery that explores the dangers of religious fundamentalism...
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Interesting! Since Priolkar, we've been lead to believe that the Inquisition somehow targeted the Goan Hindu. Now, writers with Jewish names talk about Muslim and Catholic-coverts as victims. Interesting When will we stop playing 21st century games with the intolerance of the 16th (and maybe 17th and 18th too)? Some of these guys seem to be like the ideolgical heirs of the Black Legend creators... all using it for their own purpose. Will the Portuguese now catch up with the Spaniards? While the Inquisition was terrible, perhaps the continued use of its legacy (for political purposes) is worse. QUOTE http://infao5501.ag5.mpi-sb.mpg.de:8080/topx/archive?link=Wikipedia-Lip6-2/186824.xmlstyle The anti-Spanish Black Legend (in , leyenda negra ) is the depiction of Spain and the Spanish race as bloodthirsty and cruel, greedy and fanatical. The term was coined by Julián Juderías in his 1914 book La leyenda negra y la verdad histórica ( The Black Legend and Historical Trut ). Underlying the Black Legend and its propagation is the intention to defame Spaniards and Hispanics generally. The Black Legend is distinguished from other similar hoaxes created throughout history by its extension, influence and persistence in time. The Legend influenced historical understanding and accounts in most European countries and, through them, much of the world. Its zenith may have come in the 16th century, but it effects can still be seen some 400 years later. Other similar Roman Catholic nations, such as Portugal , have never been subjected to such treatment to the extent that the Spanish have been. The Inquisition was also active in Portugal, the Portuguese Jews were also expelled, slavery was more important in the Portuguese colonies than in the Spanish colonies, there were violent conquerors like Afonso de Albuquerque and brutal governors like Mem de Sá . Perhaps the long friendship between England and Portugal explains why these events and practices were not seen through the same lens as similar matters in Spain. UNQUOTE Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 16 October 2010 00:26, Eddie Fernandes eddie.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: 14 Oct. 2010: The Rupee News. Excerpts: Muslims were the major victims of the Spanish Inquisition in Goa. Richard Zimler of course focuses on the couple of Jews. But his work is seminal in the sense that it highlights the plight of the Goans... In Goa, the Portuguese Inquisition focuses its guns to South Asian converts from Hinduism or Islam who were thought to have reverted to their original ways... Zimler says, My novel, Guardian of the Dawn, takes place in the Portuguese colony of Goa during the early 17th century, and it is an historical mystery that explores the dangers of religious fundamentalism... Full text, 4259 words at http://rupeenews.com/2010/10/14/goa-the-cruelest-inquisition/ For Richard Zimler's website with more info about Guardian of the Dawn and a read of the first chapter of the book, go to http://www.zimler.com/ Eddie Fernandes
