Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Folks, When Allan Urry, the BBC journalist called me, I told him that I would let him know of reactions I came across to his programme. We have had comments in this forum from, among others, two Goan journalists. Good. I pointedly asked, several times, if either of them had listened to the 25 minutes programme. They have so far chosen not to answer so the invitation stands. What do I tell Allan Urry? I have also asked them to listen to the programme if they have not already done so. Please do so soon though I now gather that the link will be active for a few weeks at least since the programme has generated "substantial interest" To listen to the audio report go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/documentary_archive/6232043.stm On the right side of the page you will find the options: Three Ways to Listen Select your preference from: LISTEN NOW DOWNLOAD PODCAST Thank you, Eddie Fernandes WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Why do I get the feeling that the elephant (if not the bull!) has been got by the tail and pulled real hard, here? :)) Reena Roland Francis wrote: > > WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T > > Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan > > Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) > and other Land Use violations to: > > Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar > Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 > > Even if the elephant and snake charmer stereotype of India had crept > in a photograph in the BBC news story, did it detract from the story > in any way? > > If the pedophile stories have been done to death in the local media, > how come the instances are still prevalent enough to warrant a BBC > newscast? > > Are you comparing the local and national media to the BBC? > > Roland. > > On 1/10/07, Reena Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Eddie, > > My observation of the elephant (in cameo in the pic accompanying the BBC > > story) > > was not to indicate disbelief in the story. Was just not sure if having the > > poor > > beast squeezed in, had anything to do with the 'elephant and snake charmer' > > stereotype of India and Indians in India :) > > As for the issue of child prostitution and paedophiles, as Fred says, it > > has been > > done to death, at least in the local and national media--not to say that it > > becomes any less important because of that. > > While I'm glad to see the kind of debate the BBC report has thrown up, am > > just > > wondering if a similar report in the local media would have brought out > > anything > > WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T > > Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan > > Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) >and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372 > WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Even if the elephant and snake charmer stereotype of India had crept in a photograph in the BBC news story, did it detract from the story in any way? If the pedophile stories have been done to death in the local media, how come the instances are still prevalent enough to warrant a BBC newscast? Are you comparing the local and national media to the BBC? Roland. On 1/10/07, Reena Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eddie, > My observation of the elephant (in cameo in the pic accompanying the BBC > story) > was not to indicate disbelief in the story. Was just not sure if having the > poor > beast squeezed in, had anything to do with the 'elephant and snake charmer' > stereotype of India and Indians in India :) > As for the issue of child prostitution and paedophiles, as Fred says, it has > been > done to death, at least in the local and national media--not to say that it > becomes any less important because of that. > While I'm glad to see the kind of debate the BBC report has thrown up, am just > wondering if a similar report in the local media would have brought out > anything WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Eddie, My observation of the elephant (in cameo in the pic accompanying the BBC story) was not to indicate disbelief in the story. Was just not sure if having the poor beast squeezed in, had anything to do with the 'elephant and snake charmer' stereotype of India and Indians in India :) As for the issue of child prostitution and paedophiles, as Fred says, it has been done to death, at least in the local and national media--not to say that it becomes any less important because of that. While I'm glad to see the kind of debate the BBC report has thrown up, am just wondering if a similar report in the local media would have brought out anything vaguely similar. Reena Frederick \"FN\" Noronha wrote: > > WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T > > Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan > > Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) > and other Land Use violations to: > > Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar > Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 > > Paedophilia is, and has been, an issue in Goa. Right from the time of > Freddy Peat (1993) to Mayabhushan and team's capture of the sad issue > on film. But the way it is often handled by the media has more to do > with the media priorities of "getting a story" from a fashionable > tourist destination at peak season, rather than the seriousness of the > problem. > > On 09/01/07, Eddie Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There is much I could write about the reactions of Fred and Reena. I am > > also amazed at Reena's facetious remarks about elephants in Goa. However, I > > am convinced that neither has listened to the radio report so could they > > please do so and let us know if they wish to change their views after doing > > so? > > Reena, being from Salcete, probably doesn't appreciate the manner in > which out-of-place elephants are brought in to places like Anjuna to > parade gullible tourists at a fee! But her comment on the elephant > doesn't mean she's off-clued generally about the wider issue of > paedophilia in Goa, media "priorities" in reporting the issue. Or, > there being "nothing new" in an issue that has been beaten to death > since the late 'nineties ... and the regular near-sensationalist > revival of this concern even while there is little done to tackle in > its seriousness. > > > PS: I am also in daily communication with the parents of Stephen Bennett > > who was murdered last month in very mysterious circumstances. They are > > This is a serious issue. We have still not understood why someone > would want "to kill" Benett in Goa. Of course, with the way local > mafias work here, anything is possible. But there is still a lot more > than meets the eye. > > Anyone who has reported about Goa would also acknowledge that the life > of a foreigner is valued (here and elsewhere) much more higher than > that of a local (where life is cheap). My journo friends in Thailand > were saying the same is true when it came to deaths among foreign > tourists during the tsunami. There, the 'pecking order' in the world > of reporting was the King's nephew at the very top, followed by > foreign tourists (small numbers, but disproportionate coverage) and > locals at the very bottom! > > > planning to visit Goa next week. The Goa newspapers have been strangely > > silent on the issue. > > If someone said that the crime happened closer to Mumbai, and that Goa > papers tend to be both small in operation and small in their vision > (specially when it comes to investing resources in reporting... > probably one would get accused of defending sloppiness in the Goa > media! But that's the reality, though it's easy to get carried along > by the priorities set by the powerful and influential media > organisations of the West! FN > > -- > FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) > http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com > > WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 From: Frederick "FN" Noronha >...But the way it is often handled by the media has more to do >with the media priorities of "getting a story" from a fashionable >tourist destination at peak season, rather than the seriousness of the >problem ... >Or, >there being "nothing new" in an issue that has been beaten to death >since the late 'nineties ... and the regular near-sensationalist >revival of this concern even while there is little done to tackle in >its seriousness. COMMENT: You continue to spout judgement on the radio programme but will not indicate if you have listened to it. From what you write I assume that you have not. Please do correct me if I am wrong and let us know if I am right Thanks Eddie Fernandes WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Paedophilia is, and has been, an issue in Goa. Right from the time of Freddy Peat (1993) to Mayabhushan and team's capture of the sad issue on film. But the way it is often handled by the media has more to do with the media priorities of "getting a story" from a fashionable tourist destination at peak season, rather than the seriousness of the problem. On 09/01/07, Eddie Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is much I could write about the reactions of Fred and Reena. I am > also amazed at Reena's facetious remarks about elephants in Goa. However, I > am convinced that neither has listened to the radio report so could they > please do so and let us know if they wish to change their views after doing > so? Reena, being from Salcete, probably doesn't appreciate the manner in which out-of-place elephants are brought in to places like Anjuna to parade gullible tourists at a fee! But her comment on the elephant doesn't mean she's off-clued generally about the wider issue of paedophilia in Goa, media "priorities" in reporting the issue. Or, there being "nothing new" in an issue that has been beaten to death since the late 'nineties ... and the regular near-sensationalist revival of this concern even while there is little done to tackle in its seriousness. > PS: I am also in daily communication with the parents of Stephen Bennett > who was murdered last month in very mysterious circumstances. They are This is a serious issue. We have still not understood why someone would want "to kill" Benett in Goa. Of course, with the way local mafias work here, anything is possible. But there is still a lot more than meets the eye. Anyone who has reported about Goa would also acknowledge that the life of a foreigner is valued (here and elsewhere) much more higher than that of a local (where life is cheap). My journo friends in Thailand were saying the same is true when it came to deaths among foreign tourists during the tsunami. There, the 'pecking order' in the world of reporting was the King's nephew at the very top, followed by foreign tourists (small numbers, but disproportionate coverage) and locals at the very bottom! > planning to visit Goa next week. The Goa newspapers have been strangely > silent on the issue. If someone said that the crime happened closer to Mumbai, and that Goa papers tend to be both small in operation and small in their vision (specially when it comes to investing resources in reporting... probably one would get accused of defending sloppiness in the Goa media! But that's the reality, though it's easy to get carried along by the priorities set by the powerful and influential media organisations of the West! FN -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Folks, The investigator in the BBC report was Allan Urry. He telephoned me yesterday and I discussed some of my reactions to the radio programme with him. He also indicated that he is planning a return visit to Goa to report on developments. There is much I could write about the reactions of Fred and Reena. I am also amazed at Reena's facetious remarks about elephants in Goa. However, I am convinced that neither has listened to the radio report so could they please do so and let us know if they wish to change their views after doing so? I had indicated the link to the audio report last week before the broadcast and again after the programme. It is now repeated. To listen to the audio report go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/documentary_archive/6232043.stm On the right side of the page you will find the options: Three Ways to Listen Select your preference from: LISTEN NOW DOWNLOAD PODCAST Please do so by Thursday 11 Jan. Thank you, Eddie Fernandes PS: I am also in daily communication with the parents of Stephen Bennett who was murdered last month in very mysterious circumstances. They are planning to visit Goa next week. The Goa newspapers have been strangely silent on the issue. For details of that tragedy see http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Stephen+Bennett%22+G oa&sa=N&tab=nw == -Original Message- From: Frederick "FN" Noronha Yeah, Reena (who works for The Telegraph, Kolkata) understands the news-making process. My gut level feeling was the same. The problem with the *big* outstation media is that they decide news priorities sitting in London, New Delhi, whatever Of course, I've written for some of these too, so I'm not just pointing fingers here. WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Yeah, Reena (who works for The Telegraph, Kolkata) understands the news-making process. My gut level feeling was the same. The problem with the *big* outstation media is that they decide news priorities sitting in London, New Delhi, whatever Of course, I've written for some of these too, so I'm not just pointing fingers here. If NDTV decided it, the "sale" of Goa becomes big news. Fact is that this has been going on for many, many years. It has been widely reported on. Many, many reports have come up in papers like the Herald (or GT) at some points of its history. FN On 09/01/07, Reena Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roland, > I wasn't doubting the BBC story--not because its a BBC story but because it > is an > old story--nothing new there. > Reena -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Roland, I wasn't doubting the BBC story--not because its a BBC story but because it is an old story--nothing new there. Reena Roland Francis wrote: > > WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T > > Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan > > Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) > and other Land Use violations to: > > Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar > Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 > > The photo is possibly meant to show children being bussed from outside > the state into Goa (see caption underneath photo). On a guess I would > say Mysore city or thereabouts or some temple town (hence the > elephant) in Andhra. The latter and Karnataka account for a large > proportion of cheap unskilled labor that come in for civil > construction. > > Are you doubting BBC's story? > > Roland. > > On 1/8/07, Reena Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I hope you didn't miss the elephant behind the bus-- in the second picture > > of > > the paedophile story on the BBC website (your first link)! > > Elephants roaming the streets of Goa? Not so sure. > > Reena > > WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T > > Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan > > Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) >and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372 > WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer & District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 The photo is possibly meant to show children being bussed from outside the state into Goa (see caption underneath photo). On a guess I would say Mysore city or thereabouts or some temple town (hence the elephant) in Andhra. The latter and Karnataka account for a large proportion of cheap unskilled labor that come in for civil construction. Are you doubting BBC's story? Roland. On 1/8/07, Reena Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hope you didn't miss the elephant behind the bus-- in the second picture of > the paedophile story on the BBC website (your first link)! > Elephants roaming the streets of Goa? Not so sure. > Reena WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
I hope you didn't miss the elephant behind the bus-- in the second picture of the paedophile story on the BBC website (your first link)! Elephants roaming the streets of Goa? Not so sure. Reena Eddie Fernandes wrote: > From: Roland Francis > >Another latest BBC link on the subject. > >Is this getting to be a real Goa problem? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6230957.stm > > Note: > > The article is a synopsis of the radio programme broadcast last Friday. To > listen to the 25 min. broadcast go to > http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/worldservice/meta/tx/docu3?nbram=1&; > nbwm=1&size=au&lang=en-ws&bgc=003399 > > Eddie Fernandes > > On 1/6/07, Noronha,Ronald [Ontario] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ** Global Account ** > > A set of free-standing documentaries from the BBC that uncover the secrets > > that those in positions of authority would prefer to stay hidden. > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/programmes/documentary_archive/6232043 > .stm > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20070108/847a4def/attachment.html
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
From: Roland Francis >Another latest BBC link on the subject. >Is this getting to be a real Goa problem? > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6230957.stm Note: The article is a synopsis of the radio programme broadcast last Friday. To listen to the 25 min. broadcast go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/worldservice/meta/tx/docu3?nbram=1&; nbwm=1&size=au&lang=en-ws&bgc=003399 Eddie Fernandes On 1/6/07, Noronha,Ronald [Ontario] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ** Global Account ** > A set of free-standing documentaries from the BBC that uncover the secrets > that those in positions of authority would prefer to stay hidden. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/programmes/documentary_archive/6232043 .stm >
Re: [Goanet] Paedophiles in GOA- A BBC Report
Another latest BBC link on the subject. Is this getting to be a real Goa problem? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6230957.stm Roland. On 1/6/07, Noronha,Ronald [Ontario] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ** Global Account ** A set of free-standing documentaries from the BBC that uncover the secrets that those in positions of authority would prefer to stay hidden. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/programmes/documentary_archive/6232043.stm -- Roland Francis
