[google-appengine] Re: Extended db.Model providing access to ReferenceProperty key
I think your get_key method needs a return in there. class DerefModel(db.Model): def get_key(self, prop_name): getattr(self.__class__, prop_name).get_value_for_datastore(self) On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Bill wrote: > > Alex, > Do you mean something like this: > > http://appengine-cookbook.appspot.com/recipe/getting-dbreferenceproperty-key-without-loading-entity > If so, let me know if it doesn't work. > -Bill > > On Feb 26, 5:32 pm, Alex Popescu > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've read on the group that somebody has extended the db.Model to > > automatically provide access to the referenced entity key (i.e. if the > > model defines a ReferenceProperty then the Model will automatically > > provide access to the referenced entity key -- the value that is > > actually stored). > > > > While I do know how to write the code to get the referenced entity > > key, I have no idea how can I enhance db.Model to automatically > > provide this feature. > > > > I'd appreciate any hints on how to get this functionality (or even > > better the implementation). Many thanks in advance, > > > > ./alex > > -- > > Cloud Now:http://The.DailyCloud.net > > > -- === 株式会社ビープラウド イアン・ルイス 〒150-0012 東京都渋谷区広尾1-11-2アイオス広尾ビル604 email: ianmle...@beproud.jp TEL：03-5795-2707 FAX：03-5795-2708 http://www.beproud.jp/ === --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Extended db.Model providing access to ReferenceProperty key
Alex, Do you mean something like this: http://appengine-cookbook.appspot.com/recipe/getting-dbreferenceproperty-key-without-loading-entity If so, let me know if it doesn't work. -Bill On Feb 26, 5:32 pm, Alex Popescu wrote: > Hi, > > I've read on the group that somebody has extended the db.Model to > automatically provide access to the referenced entity key (i.e. if the > model defines a ReferenceProperty then the Model will automatically > provide access to the referenced entity key -- the value that is > actually stored). > > While I do know how to write the code to get the referenced entity > key, I have no idea how can I enhance db.Model to automatically > provide this feature. > > I'd appreciate any hints on how to get this functionality (or even > better the implementation). Many thanks in advance, > > ./alex > -- > Cloud Now:http://The.DailyCloud.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: sending email from localhost
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM, river wrote: > my app is running in linux os ,i just enable my sendmail and i check > my sending sample mail > but when i send mail through code it says error as: > > "/bin/sh: sendmail: command not found > ERROR2009-02-25 06:37:05,801 mail_stub.py] Error sending mail > using sendmail: [Errno 32] Broken pipe" > > plz advice me what mistake i done Uh, did you notice the "sendmail: command not found"? You'll need either sendmail or a sendmail-compatible MTA installed. Dave. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Help regarding ajax on appengine
Hello.i have some problem when iam developing an application. i have some simple form that has to be submitted to database.i used jquery and ajax in jquery so that form gets submitted to database. i have some click functions that are being written in query for displaying other pages.Those pages are displayed when i use the app on localhost +appengine. but when i upload the app on server its not showing the pages that i click.some1 help me with this... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Accomplishing a "Join" between Referenced Entities
So in your original posting you said kind1 where prop1 = specific_value. So what specific value would you be looking for the whole text or specific words or combinations of words (in a particular order ) This is I think where you approach will be determined. T On Feb 27, 1:41 pm, Devel63 wrote: > It's a good idea, and it's what I've used elsewhere, but in this case > kind1_prop is really text (I'm using the searchable data model). > These are not tiny, and contain data from multiple fields. It would > be expensive to duplicate all this in a third class, and multiply the > data storage by a factor of 1 million. So ... is there another way? > > On Feb 26, 7:20 pm, Tim Hoffman wrote: > > > I think you should create a new entity > > which has > > kind1_key > > kind1_prop > > kind2_key > > kind1_ref > > kind2_ref > > > Filter on kind2 key, kind 1 key , kind1 prop > > The use the refs to get the real objects when you need to. > > > Or something like that > > > T > > > On Feb 27, 4:09 am, Devel63 wrote: > > > > Until now, the lack of a SQL-like join capability has not been an > > > issue. But... > > > > I have 2 entity kinds: > > > - kind1: prop1 > > > - kind2: username, reference_to_kind1 > > > > I want to find all kind2's where user=me and reference_to_kind1 is a > > > kind1 where prop1 = specific_value. > > > > I can't figure out a way to do this except to start with either class, > > > do a fetch, then iterate over all references. This is potentially A > > > LOT of individual queries. The intersection/join is small, but each > > > kind can have large numbers of entities. > > > > How is this done? > > > > P.S. Please don't suggest denormalization, because the above is a > > > simplified example. I am really doing this with text fields in kind1, > > > and keyword searchables. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Accomplishing a "Join" between Referenced Entities
It's a good idea, and it's what I've used elsewhere, but in this case kind1_prop is really text (I'm using the searchable data model). These are not tiny, and contain data from multiple fields. It would be expensive to duplicate all this in a third class, and multiply the data storage by a factor of 1 million. So ... is there another way? On Feb 26, 7:20 pm, Tim Hoffman wrote: > I think you should create a new entity > which has > kind1_key > kind1_prop > kind2_key > kind1_ref > kind2_ref > > Filter on kind2 key, kind 1 key , kind1 prop > The use the refs to get the real objects when you need to. > > Or something like that > > T > > On Feb 27, 4:09 am, Devel63 wrote: > > > Until now, the lack of a SQL-like join capability has not been an > > issue. But... > > > I have 2 entity kinds: > > - kind1: prop1 > > - kind2: username, reference_to_kind1 > > > I want to find all kind2's where user=me and reference_to_kind1 is a > > kind1 where prop1 = specific_value. > > > I can't figure out a way to do this except to start with either class, > > do a fetch, then iterate over all references. This is potentially A > > LOT of individual queries. The intersection/join is small, but each > > kind can have large numbers of entities. > > > How is this done? > > > P.S. Please don't suggest denormalization, because the above is a > > simplified example. I am really doing this with text fields in kind1, > > and keyword searchables. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Can´t create new apps
To make sure that it was not an account problem, I create a new account, and create a new application with ID "e-mail4all" The creation was success, but again it doesn´t show on my dashboard and it says that the ID is not available anymore. Please, it can´t be a local problem only with me. Try to create a fresh account to see what happens. On 26 fev, 21:57, Neves wrote: > Marzia, it´s getting even more weird. > Now I created 6 applications without error, but it didn´t showup on my > dashboard and when I try to create it again, it says that it´s already > exists. > Here are the used ids: > gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl > sitenasnuvens > webnasnuvens > gigadados > host64 > websitepronto > > When I try to deploy to any of them, I get an error "You do not have > permission to modify this app (app_id=u'websitepronto')." > I reset my ADSL modem IP but the problem still. > > On 26 fev, 17:29, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > The app id servicos is definitely not available, it would be easier if you > > could get the complete headers when using, for instance, the string > > gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl which we know is not available. > > > Are you trying both of these machines from the same location / IP addresses? > > > -Marzia > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Neves wrote: > > > > I´ve tried from 4 diferent browser on windows and firefox on Ubuntu. > > > I can update and use the application that already exists. > > > Here are the request and response headers from > > >http://appengine.google.com/start/createapp > > > tohttp://appengine.google.com/start/createapp.do(404) > > >http://gist.github.com/71082 > > > > Have you tried if you got the same problem? > > > > On 26 fev, 16:13, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > To narrow down this problem a bit, is this across computers or have you > > > only > > > > tried on one computer? If it's only on one computer, what is the OS/ > > > > Browser versions you are using? Do you know your IP address? Can you > > > > provide screenshots of the error? > > > > > Do you have live http headers, or another program where we can see the > > > > request information why you try to register an application id? This > > > would > > > > probably be the most useful information. > > > > > Can you still see your previously created applications when you sign in > > > tohttp://appengine.google.com?Canyou upload your app to those previously > > > > created app ids? > > > > > -Marzia > > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Neves wrote: > > > > > > I always get this message "This application ID or version is already > > > > > in use" while creating a new app, even if I choose a random ID like > > > > > "gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl.appspot.com" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Accomplishing a "Join" between Referenced Entities
I think you should create a new entity which has kind1_key kind1_prop kind2_key kind1_ref kind2_ref Filter on kind2 key, kind 1 key , kind1 prop The use the refs to get the real objects when you need to. Or something like that T On Feb 27, 4:09 am, Devel63 wrote: > Until now, the lack of a SQL-like join capability has not been an > issue. But... > > I have 2 entity kinds: > - kind1: prop1 > - kind2: username, reference_to_kind1 > > I want to find all kind2's where user=me and reference_to_kind1 is a > kind1 where prop1 = specific_value. > > I can't figure out a way to do this except to start with either class, > do a fetch, then iterate over all references. This is potentially A > LOT of individual queries. The intersection/join is small, but each > kind can have large numbers of entities. > > How is this done? > > P.S. Please don't suggest denormalization, because the above is a > simplified example. I am really doing this with text fields in kind1, > and keyword searchables. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] What happened to minor version numbers?
Last summer, when I would upload my app with app_cfg without changing the version number in app.yaml, the admin console showed a minor version number. Example: Say I upload version "3" twice - I would get roughly the following in the console: version 3.1 (default) version 3.2 The subdomain 3.latest would have pointed to 3.2, but the default url still went to 3.1 until you change the default version. That system was very nice because it allowed you to rollback if you forgot to change the version number in app.yaml by accident. Now, however, uploading the same version number seems to clobber the previous version. Where did the minor versions go? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Should I migrate to App Engine?
I started another 'discussion' about this. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Access remote MySQL database
Hi everyone, I've got a PHP forum running on a shared server. I'd like to get an App running on App Engine that integrates with that forum. By integrate, I mean it has to be able to access the database running on that server. So, is there a way to access that MySQL database? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: MemCache/datastore failing
The funny thing is that the code didnt change...
that's why I imagined it could be something that change with engine
itself.
Is it possible that the app engine running in the server got
corrupted
or something like it?
Thanks.
On Feb 19, 10:05 pm, Marzia Niccolai wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It's difficult to see with only the stack traces, please post the code
> causing this as well. Also, the datastore deadline's remain the same, the
> runtime request limit is now 30 second, not the datastore.
>
> I would say that the second stack trace seems like you may be trying to
> fetch 1000 records, which is probably the cause of the deadline error,
> depending on your data model.
>
> -Marzia
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:56 AM, DarkCoiote wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > somehow my app. can't use memcache anymore (it was working fine a week
> > ago).
>
> > For instance, I clear the cache (memcache.flush_all()), use the app
> > (almost every operation uses caching) and then call the cache stats
> > page (stats = memcache.get_stats()) but the stats variable gets
> > consistently 'none' value.
>
> > As a result, latency has increased a lot making responses exceed the
> > 10sec. timeout (maybe other bug here, as now it should be 30s right?
> > although the timeout can be from the 'gadgets.io.makeRequest' from the
> > opensocial part of the app.)
>
> > The traceback of the problem I got with the datastore:
>
> > An error occurred for the API request datastore_v3.RunQuery().
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/webapp/
> > __init__.py", line 503, in __call__
> > handler.post(*groups)
> > File "/base/data/home/apps/date-review/2.331374829726725911/
> > main.py", line 371, in post
> > avgRating = get_avg_rating(friend)
> > File "/base/data/home/apps/date-review/2.331374829726725911/
> > main.py", line 95, in get_avg_rating
> > ratings = query.get()
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/db/
> > __init__.py", line 1346, in get
> > results = self.fetch(1)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/db/
> > __init__.py", line 1390, in fetch
> > raw = self._get_query().Get(limit, offset)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
> > datastore.py", line 942, in Get
> > return self._Run(limit, offset)._Next(limit)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
> > datastore.py", line 883, in _Run
> > apiproxy_stub_map.MakeSyncCall('datastore_v3', 'RunQuery', pb,
> > result)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
> > apiproxy_stub_map.py", line 68, in MakeSyncCall
> > apiproxy.MakeSyncCall(service, call, request, response)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
> > apiproxy_stub_map.py", line 240, in MakeSyncCall
> > stub.MakeSyncCall(service, call, request, response)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/runtime/
> > apiproxy.py", line 183, in MakeSyncCall
> > rpc.CheckSuccess()
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
> > apiproxy_rpc.py", line 111, in CheckSuccess
> > raise self.exception
> > Error: An error occurred for the API request datastore_v3.RunQuery().
>
> > Some times I get this kind of traceback, which I'm sure is the
> > deadline problem:
>
> > :
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > File "/base/data/home/apps/date-review/2.331374829726725911/
> > main.py", line 620, in main
> > run_wsgi_app(application)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/webapp/
> > util.py", line 76, in run_wsgi_app
> > result = application(env, _start_response)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/webapp/
> > __init__.py", line 503, in __call__
> > handler.post(*groups)
> > File "/base/data/home/apps/date-review/2.331374829726725911/
> > main.py", line 372, in post
> > numVisit = get_num_visits(friend)
> > File "/base/data/home/apps/date-review/2.331374829726725911/
> > main.py", line 487, in get_num_visits
> > delete_old_visits(owner)
> > File "/base/data/home/apps/date-review/2.331374829726725911/
> > main.py", line 492, in delete_old_visits
> > results = query.fetch(1000)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/db/
> > __init__.py", line 1390, in fetch
> > raw = self._get_query().Get(limit, offset)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
> > datastore.py", line 942, in Get
> > return self._Run(limit, offset)._Next(limit)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
> > datastore.py", line 1536, in _Next
> > apiproxy_stub_map.MakeSyncCall('datastore_v3', 'Next', req,
> > result)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
> > apiproxy_stub_map.py", line 68, in MakeSyncCall
> > apiproxy.MakeSyncCall(service, call, request, response)
> > File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/
> > apiproxy_stub_map.py", line 240, in MakeSyncCall
> > stu
[google-appengine] Extended db.Model providing access to ReferenceProperty key
Hi, I've read on the group that somebody has extended the db.Model to automatically provide access to the referenced entity key (i.e. if the model defines a ReferenceProperty then the Model will automatically provide access to the referenced entity key -- the value that is actually stored). While I do know how to write the code to get the referenced entity key, I have no idea how can I enhance db.Model to automatically provide this feature. I'd appreciate any hints on how to get this functionality (or even better the implementation). Many thanks in advance, ./alex -- Cloud Now: http://The.DailyCloud.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Annoucement: you may now purchase additional computing resources
Hi RAT, You are correct. Here's an FAQ on how to proceed if you are in one of these unlisted countries: http://code.google.com/appengine/kb/billing.html#unlisted Happy coding, Jeff On Feb 26, 1:22 pm, RAT wrote: > It's just me or Brazil is not on the list of available countries able > to purchase additional Quota? > > Thanks > > On Feb 24, 6:30 pm, Jeff S wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > We've just announced that it is now possible to purchase additional > > quota for your application. To borrow from our blog post, > > > """ > > We're psyched to announce that developers can now purchase additional > > computing resources on App Engine, enabling apps to scale beyond our > > free quotas. This has been our most requested improvement to App > > Engine and we're thrilled to deliver it, as promised. > > > You can now set a daily budget for your app that represents the > > maximum amount you're willing to pay for computing resources each day. > > You allocate this budget across CPU, bandwidth, storage, and email, > > and you pay for only what your app consumes beyond the free > > thresholds... > > """ > > > More details are available at the following locations: > > > Blog > > post:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-grow-your-app-beyond-... > > > Updated quota documentation > > page:http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas.html > > > Documentation on purchasing additional > > quota:http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html > > > Billing FAQs:http://code.google.com/appengine/kb/billing.html > > > Questions? Comments? :-) > > > Happy coding, > > > Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Can´t create new apps
Marzia, it´s getting even more weird. Now I created 6 applications without error, but it didn´t showup on my dashboard and when I try to create it again, it says that it´s already exists. Here are the used ids: gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl sitenasnuvens webnasnuvens gigadados host64 websitepronto When I try to deploy to any of them, I get an error "You do not have permission to modify this app (app_id=u'websitepronto')." I reset my ADSL modem IP but the problem still. On 26 fev, 17:29, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > Hi, > > The app id servicos is definitely not available, it would be easier if you > could get the complete headers when using, for instance, the string > gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl which we know is not available. > > Are you trying both of these machines from the same location / IP addresses? > > -Marzia > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Neves wrote: > > > I´ve tried from 4 diferent browser on windows and firefox on Ubuntu. > > I can update and use the application that already exists. > > Here are the request and response headers from > >http://appengine.google.com/start/createapp > > tohttp://appengine.google.com/start/createapp.do(404) > >http://gist.github.com/71082 > > > Have you tried if you got the same problem? > > > On 26 fev, 16:13, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > To narrow down this problem a bit, is this across computers or have you > > only > > > tried on one computer? If it's only on one computer, what is the OS/ > > > Browser versions you are using? Do you know your IP address? Can you > > > provide screenshots of the error? > > > > Do you have live http headers, or another program where we can see the > > > request information why you try to register an application id? This > > would > > > probably be the most useful information. > > > > Can you still see your previously created applications when you sign in > > tohttp://appengine.google.com?Can you upload your app to those previously > > > created app ids? > > > > -Marzia > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Neves wrote: > > > > > I always get this message "This application ID or version is already > > > > in use" while creating a new app, even if I choose a random ID like > > > > "gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl.appspot.com" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Email Question
Hi, The two solutions that come to mind for now is to run remote_api on your machine or set up a client side javascript solution that could call a handler every few seconds. Eventually we plan to offer cron and long running processes which would be the ideal solution. -Marzia On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:47 PM, MajorProgamming wrote: > > So is there any way to have that process die, and then call a new > process automatically. Or, is there a way to run many processes in > parallel. Like suppose I need to send out ~5000 emails? What would be > the best way to do that? > > On Feb 26, 12:40 pm, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > Hi, > > > > With billing, you can send as many emails as you can process during the > 30 > > second request deadline. So while you can pay for sending as many emails > as > > you would like, the request deadline will still be a factor in completing > > any App Engine operations. > > > > I don't know how many emails you can send in 30 seconds (I've never tried > to > > test the limit), but I'd imagine it would be on the order of 30. > > > > -Marzia > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:00 AM, MajorProgamming >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now that Billing is available, I have some questions about Emails: > > > > > The price is .0001/message. Does that mean I can really send an > > > unlimited number of messages (provided I pay)? > > > > > What are the limits of email per request? > > > > > Is it a good idea to use this for SMS [alerts], where I send out a > > > mass email to many ppl via [user's numb...@[carrier's address].com ? > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Should I migrate to App Engine?
Hum. Well, I've got a PHP forum that I'm running. On my normal hosting, I could connect to the MySQL database for data regarding the forum (currently logged in user's username, etc.). Now, since App Engine doesn't support MySQL, what do I do? Or is this idea done for? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Email Question
So is there any way to have that process die, and then call a new process automatically. Or, is there a way to run many processes in parallel. Like suppose I need to send out ~5000 emails? What would be the best way to do that? On Feb 26, 12:40 pm, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > Hi, > > With billing, you can send as many emails as you can process during the 30 > second request deadline. So while you can pay for sending as many emails as > you would like, the request deadline will still be a factor in completing > any App Engine operations. > > I don't know how many emails you can send in 30 seconds (I've never tried to > test the limit), but I'd imagine it would be on the order of 30. > > -Marzia > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:00 AM, MajorProgamming wrote: > > > > > Now that Billing is available, I have some questions about Emails: > > > The price is .0001/message. Does that mean I can really send an > > unlimited number of messages (provided I pay)? > > > What are the limits of email per request? > > > Is it a good idea to use this for SMS [alerts], where I send out a > > mass email to many ppl via [user's numb...@[carrier's address].com ? > > > Thanks for your help, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Help: The phone number has been sent too many messages or has already been used to confirm an account.
Yea, I am getting the same thing. Cant seem to post messages and the registration seems to be screwy. I know I didnt register my number.. I should just stick with Microsoft. At least it works. On Feb 21, 2:03 pm, Guy Davis wrote: > Hi Geoffrey, > > I tried that form, but it seems broken. I fill in all fields, but on > submit I get an error complaining about missing comments. See screen > shot athttp://www.imgshack.info/images/20ph6kmlm1m9buem99.png > > Is the only way to solve this problem a broken form? Isn't anyone > from Google looking after registrations? > > Thanks in advance, > Guy > > P.S. Sorry about the double post, but Groups seems to be dropping my > post content? > > On Feb 19, 8:50 am, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > > >http://appengine.google.com/waitlist/sms_issues > > > On Feb 19, 10:18 am, Guy Davis wrote: > > > > Bouncing this post to keep in view. Hopefully a Googler (Marzia?) > > > will notice and help me resolve this registration snafu. Is my only > > > other option to use a friend's cellphone? That seems to go against > > > the purpose of verifying my identity. However, if I get no help > > > clearing the "disallowed state" on myphonenumber, a friend'sphone > > > would seem the only answer. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Guy > > > > On Feb 18, 11:55 am, Guy Davis wrote: > > > > > I am not able to get past the "Verify YourAccountbySMS" page. I > > > > had originally tried using my plain GMailaccount > > > > (guydavis...@gmail.com), but now would like to use my current Google > > > > Appsaccount(da...@guydavis.ca). I have reviewed theSMSFAQ page > > > > and it does not provide help for my current situation. > > > > > Would someone from Google please contact me at either address so that > > > > I can get past this and create an application? Any help would be > > > > greatly appreciated. > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Error Trying To Create New Account
I can not get past the initial screen. I receive error: "The phone number has been sent too many messages or has already been used to confirm an account." I do not believe that I've tried to create App Engine account with my phone number, nor have I already confirmed an account.. Is there a way to reset my phone number so that I may begin? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Help: The phone number has been sent too many messages or has already been used to confirm an account.
I am having the same issue: "The phone number has been sent too many messages or has already been used to confirm an account" This is not an issue of the phone not being able to receive an SMS as the page you suggest states: "Having Trouble Receiving SMS Messages? We're sorry we're not able to send you an SMS verification message." The phone receives SMS just fine. Its Google App Engine and for some reason these phone numbers are on some database of having been sent an SMS already. And even if they were sent an SMS, there should be some contingency to either retrieve that original SMS or have a new one sent. For all we know, someone else has registered with our phone numbers not realizing it. Whatever the reason, the problem is that we need our phone numbers somehow reset so we can continue. Please. Thanks On Feb 19, 10:50 am, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > http://appengine.google.com/waitlist/sms_issues > > On Feb 19, 10:18 am, Guy Davis wrote: > > > Bouncing this post to keep in view. Hopefully a Googler (Marzia?) > > will notice and help me resolve this registration snafu. Is my only > > other option to use a friend's cellphone? That seems to go against > > the purpose of verifying my identity. However, if I get no help > > clearing the "disallowed state" on myphonenumber, a friend'sphone > > would seem the only answer. > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks in advance, > > Guy > > > On Feb 18, 11:55 am, Guy Davis wrote: > > > > I am not able to get past the "Verify YourAccountby SMS" page. I > > > had originally tried using my plain GMailaccount > > > (guydavis...@gmail.com), but now would like to use my current Google > > > Appsaccount(da...@guydavis.ca). I have reviewed the SMS FAQ page > > > and it does not provide help for my current situation. > > > > Would someone from Google please contact me at either address so that > > > I can get past this and create an application? Any help would be > > > greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Annoucement: you may now purchase additional computing resources
It's just me or Brazil is not on the list of available countries able to purchase additional Quota? Thanks On Feb 24, 6:30 pm, Jeff S wrote: > Hi all, > > We've just announced that it is now possible to purchase additional > quota for your application. To borrow from our blog post, > > """ > We're psyched to announce that developers can now purchase additional > computing resources on App Engine, enabling apps to scale beyond our > free quotas. This has been our most requested improvement to App > Engine and we're thrilled to deliver it, as promised. > > You can now set a daily budget for your app that represents the > maximum amount you're willing to pay for computing resources each day. > You allocate this budget across CPU, bandwidth, storage, and email, > and you pay for only what your app consumes beyond the free > thresholds... > """ > > More details are available at the following locations: > > Blog > post:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-grow-your-app-beyond-... > > Updated quota documentation > page:http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas.html > > Documentation on purchasing additional > quota:http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html > > Billing FAQs:http://code.google.com/appengine/kb/billing.html > > Questions? Comments? :-) > > Happy coding, > > Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Will datastore_admin.GetSchema() ever be reenabled?
Hi there, I'm currently working on a Datastore synchronization tool ( http://code.google.com/p/appengine-sqlite-sync/ ), and was wondering if it's likely GetSchema() will ever work again. I've seen some old messages about it breaking the SDK viewer when running in production, but nothing conclusive. Calling GetSchema(), either via the remote API or from e.g. shell.appspot.com, raises an exception telling me the application does not have permission to access the API. Is it gone for good? Would be nice if my tool could run without having a copy of the application's source code lying around. :) Thanks, David. -- It is better to be wrong than to be vague. — Freeman Dyson --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Excessively variable response times, regardless of serving status
thanks marzia, thats what I needed to hear. On Feb 26, 12:33 pm, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > Hi, > > To clarify, this is based on runtime CPU, not datastore CPU. Also, this > shouldn't affect the serving status of your application, it just means that > your app may see some additional latency on a per request basis if it is > serving a large number of CPU intensive requests. > > -Marzia > > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:41 PM, bFlood wrote: > > > hi marzia > > > ok, can you confirm these new limits? previously, most people designed > > their apps to run in the 100-300ms range (datastore access included). > > when you started to go over 300ms, the warnings would start to show up > > in the logs. suffice it to say, it was reasonable to assume when no > > warnings showed up you were in the range that would scale very well on > > GAE. > > > are you now saying that the new average request target should be below > > 100ms (datastore access included)? if so, this seems to me like a > > significant reduction in GAE functionality/flexibility. > > > am I reading this wrong? (entirely possible) > > > thx > > brian > > > On Feb 24, 4:55 pm, bFlood wrote: > > > well that seems like a change from previous posts. I thought people > > > generally quoted 200-300ms as a safe place to be for most of your > > > requests > > > > On Feb 24, 4:13 pm, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > 20ms is not considered CPU intensive, but once you get up in to the > > > > hundreds, it is. > > > > > -Marzia > > > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:43 AM, bFlood wrote: > > > > > > thanks marzia > > > > > > I dont want to read too much into Nick's results above but is > > 30-200ms > > > > > now considered to be CPU intensive? > > > > > > cheers > > > > > brian > > > > > > On Feb 23, 4:20 pm, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > This is done on a per-request basis. > > > > > > > -Marzia > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, bFlood > > wrote: > > > > > > > > hi marzia > > > > > > > > when this occurs, is the temp governor set for the entire app? or > > just > > > > > > > the handler that caused the high CPU warning? above, Nick said > > that > > > > > > > the typical request was 30-200ms so it seems odd that it would be > > > > > > > throttled > > > > > > > > I think this is better then the original high CPU reaction (throw > > > > > > > exception after limit) but if it affects *all* handlers it might > > turn > > > > > > > out to be far worse for apps where the majority of requests are > > well > > > > > > > below the high CPU threadhold > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > brian > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 2:54 pm, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > Upon some further investigation, it seems that this is the > > result of > > > > > the > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > handling of CPU intensive requests, more information about > > which can > > > > > be > > > > > > > > found here: > > > > > > >http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas.html#Request_Limits > > > > > > > > > Specifically "Applications that are heavily cpu-bound, on the > > other > > > > > hand, > > > > > > > > may incur some additional latency in long-running requests in > > order > > > > > to > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > room for other apps sharing the same servers. " > > > > > > > > > Essentially, if we observe that you have some heavily cpu-bound > > > > > requests, > > > > > > > > your handler may experience additional latency. This may not > > always > > > > > > > happen, > > > > > > > > and for the higher cpu request handlers, there is no way to > > know > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > when it may happen. > > > > > > > > > -Marzia > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Nick Winter < > > livel...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We've been seeing pretty brutal response times intermittently > > for > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > app (id: skrit), which I can't figure out. Some more info: > > > > > > > > > > * They're clustered in time: all requests will be slow for > > several > > > > > > > > > seconds at a time, dozens of times over a couple hours > > > > > > > > > * The long periods of slowness often happen in the morning, > > > > > although > > > > > > > > > not always, and not every morning > > > > > > > > > * Traffic doesn't appear to be related, and is low (less than > > 5 > > > > > > > > > requests per second) > > > > > > > > > * It's not instance startup costs. I'm logging when things > > are > > > > > > > > > imported, and on a small request with no datastore > > interaction: > > > > > > > > > -- with no startup costs, normally around 30-200ms, spikes to > > > > > > > > > 1300-1600ms > > > > > > > > > -- with startup costs, normally around 1300-1600ms, spikes to > > > > > > > > > 4000-11500ms > > > > > > > > > * It doesn't seem to be related to dynamic get latency or > > anything > > > > > > > > > else on the serving status page. Initially, we thought it was > >
[google-appengine] Re: am I the only one seeing only one version of my application in the admin console?
I knew I was forgetting something!!! :) Thanks again for your help guys On Feb 26, 11:47 am, Romain Pierre wrote: > Hello, > > Me too, but try to change the version in the app.yaml configuration file. > > Cordialement, > Romain Pierre > > -- > Nedelis SARL > +33 (0) 607 308 909www.nedelis.com > > Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes (ci-après le "message") sont établis > a l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires et sont confidentiels. Si vous > recevez ce message par erreur, merci de le détruire et d'en avertir > immédiatement l'expéditeur. Toute utilisation de ce message non conforme à > sa destination, toute diffusion ou toute publication, totale ou partielle, > est interdite, sauf autorisation expresse. Nedelis décline toute > responsabilité au titre de ce message, dans l'hypothèse où il aurait été > modifié. > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Frank wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > I am seeing only one version of my application in the 'Versions' menu > > of the admin console (online), even though of course I am uploading > > new versions regulary, so I'm starting to wonder if my console has a > > bug, or am I missing something? > > Basically there's no way for me to revert to an old version. > > > Thanks for you help > > > Frank --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: GAE and REST/SOAP
Well, I used the appengine-rest-server wich is great for my needs. I inherited the rest.Dispatcher class and wrote access controll in the get, put, post delete methods. You probably have moved on, but I'm kinda curious about how you chose to do it. On Feb 8, 1:31 am, tempy wrote: > Hi, > > I want to build a GAE app that will have the following general > architecture: > > Installed clients (mono on desktops and iphone) that will authenticate > and then get/put/delete user-specific data to the GAE app. (The data > is not public, users should not be able to see each other's data.) > Then, GAE itself will host a website that will allow users to access > and do stuff with the data created by the clients. > > I am trying to figure out how exactly the clients will connect to > GAE. I read about the Authentication API and that sounds pretty much > like what I need. But as far as the clients communicating with the > GAE app, I figure my choices areRESTor a SOAP web-service. I would > much prefer to go withRESTbut SOAP would also do. So I've been > trying to figure out whether either of these are supported and how to > implement them, and the fragmented documentation out there is really > making me feel like a newbie (which I am.) > > As forREST, I found this publicly available > code:http://github.com/fczuardi/gae-rest/tree/masterhttp://code.google.com/p/appengine-rest-server/ > > For SOAP, I found this blog post which seems to lay things out more or > less > clearly:http://www.ioncannon.net/web-services/180/soap-on-the-google-app-engi... > > I am still not quite sure if any of these approaches would do exactly > what I need, so in hoping that I would save myself a day or two of > research/trial-and-error I am posting here, and wondering if anyone > has already accomplished this (RESTor SOAP to allow installed clients > to authenticate and then get/put/delete data particular to them.) > > Thanks in advance, > Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: New App - wikiaata
really fun game!! Nice work. Ben On Feb 25, 4:08 pm, indra wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Play the wikipedia game at > > http://www.wikiaata.com > > The app is powered by AppEngine and GWT was used for building the UI. > Any feedback is very welcome. > > Cheers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Can´t create new apps
Hi, The app id servicos is definitely not available, it would be easier if you could get the complete headers when using, for instance, the string gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl which we know is not available. Are you trying both of these machines from the same location / IP addresses? -Marzia On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Neves wrote: > > I´ve tried from 4 diferent browser on windows and firefox on Ubuntu. > I can update and use the application that already exists. > Here are the request and response headers from > http://appengine.google.com/start/createapp > to http://appengine.google.com/start/createapp.do (404) > http://gist.github.com/71082 > > Have you tried if you got the same problem? > > > On 26 fev, 16:13, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > Hi, > > > > To narrow down this problem a bit, is this across computers or have you > only > > tried on one computer? If it's only on one computer, what is the OS/ > > Browser versions you are using? Do you know your IP address? Can you > > provide screenshots of the error? > > > > Do you have live http headers, or another program where we can see the > > request information why you try to register an application id? This > would > > probably be the most useful information. > > > > Can you still see your previously created applications when you sign in > tohttp://appengine.google.com? Can you upload your app to those previously > > created app ids? > > > > -Marzia > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Neves wrote: > > > > > I always get this message "This application ID or version is already > > > in use" while creating a new app, even if I choose a random ID like > > > "gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl.appspot.com" > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Latency of local datastore - any way to flush, wait for all writes to complete, etc?
While I realize that this does not apply to the production environment, I am doing some unit testing locally where I need the datastore in a known state. Since 1.1.9 I'm seeing more cases where put() followed immediately by get() doesn't return the updated object -- probably due to improved performance/threading in the dev environment. Is there a clean or clever solution to this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Which is better?
Definitely #2 #1 also creates additional data integrity issues since, worst case, 29.9 seconds may elapse between the first and second call to get() Depending on what you're doing with the data, you may need to put #2 in a transaction in order to get the results you expect --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Can´t create new apps
Same problem for me. Just use another browser (Safari, IE) or empty cache/cookies... Cordialement, Romain Pierre -- Nedelis SARL +33 (0) 607 308 909 www.nedelis.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes (ci-après le "message") sont établis a l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires et sont confidentiels. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci de le détruire et d'en avertir immédiatement l'expéditeur. Toute utilisation de ce message non conforme à sa destination, toute diffusion ou toute publication, totale ou partielle, est interdite, sauf autorisation expresse. Nedelis décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message, dans l'hypothèse où il aurait été modifié. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Neves wrote: > > I always get this message "This application ID or version is already > in use" while creating a new app, even if I choose a random ID like > "gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl.appspot.com" > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: am I the only one seeing only one version of my application in the admin console?
Hello, Me too, but try to change the version in the app.yaml configuration file. Cordialement, Romain Pierre -- Nedelis SARL +33 (0) 607 308 909 www.nedelis.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes (ci-après le "message") sont établis a l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires et sont confidentiels. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci de le détruire et d'en avertir immédiatement l'expéditeur. Toute utilisation de ce message non conforme à sa destination, toute diffusion ou toute publication, totale ou partielle, est interdite, sauf autorisation expresse. Nedelis décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message, dans l'hypothèse où il aurait été modifié. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Frank wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I am seeing only one version of my application in the 'Versions' menu > of the admin console (online), even though of course I am uploading > new versions regulary, so I'm starting to wonder if my console has a > bug, or am I missing something? > Basically there's no way for me to revert to an old version. > > Thanks for you help > > Frank > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] SMS text message for engine code trouble
It's a really long alphanumeric number. It should be 7 digits. What could be wrong? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Can´t create new apps
I´ve tried from 4 diferent browser on windows and firefox on Ubuntu. I can update and use the application that already exists. Here are the request and response headers from http://appengine.google.com/start/createapp to http://appengine.google.com/start/createapp.do (404) http://gist.github.com/71082 Have you tried if you got the same problem? On 26 fev, 16:13, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > Hi, > > To narrow down this problem a bit, is this across computers or have you only > tried on one computer? If it's only on one computer, what is the OS/ > Browser versions you are using? Do you know your IP address? Can you > provide screenshots of the error? > > Do you have live http headers, or another program where we can see the > request information why you try to register an application id? This would > probably be the most useful information. > > Can you still see your previously created applications when you sign in > tohttp://appengine.google.com? Can you upload your app to those previously > created app ids? > > -Marzia > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Neves wrote: > > > I always get this message "This application ID or version is already > > in use" while creating a new app, even if I choose a random ID like > > "gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl.appspot.com" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Having a strange problem viewing my app
Just to follow up, the issue I started off this thread with, unrelated to the caching / not including a call to main in the script, I did find a solution to. Fairly bizarre. What the problem appears to be, is that the package that your application lives in must contain a script of the same name when you submit, regardless of the configuration stated in app.yaml. For instance, for the following situation: hello_world/ hello_world/app.yaml hello_world/hello.py hello_world/static/ hello_world/static/image.jpg If this project was then submitted with appconfig, only the static files can be successfully requested, even if app.yaml contains a handler for all other requests to use hello.py. All other requests return a blank page. This layout works fine from the test server, but not from the production servers. renaming the package as follows: hello/ hello/app.yaml hello/hello.py hello/static/ hello/static/image.jpg and then updating the project with appconfig causes everything to work just ducky. No change to app.yaml is required, and the application name does not have to match the directory name. It simply needs to contain a script that matches the name of the package. Anyone else come across this problem, or should I share what I've been smoking? SG On Jan 20, 10:16 am, Rodrigo Moraes wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Rodrigo Moraes wrote: > > this is a really common issue and should be added to the FAQ if it is > > not there already (sorry, i didn't check). > > uh, an update. it is in the FAQ [1]. see: > > Q: The first time I load my application, it is blank. After that it > works fine. What is wrong? > A: This is due to the way that App Engine handles app caching. To fix > it, simply include this at the bottom of your file: > > if __name__ == "__main__": > > main() > > [1]http://knol.google.com/k/marce/app-engine-community-faqs/vkzeph4si12v/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: am I the only one seeing only one version of my application in the admin console?
Are you changing the version number in the yaml file before uploading?? On Feb 26, 1:45 pm, Frank wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am seeing only one version of my application in the 'Versions' menu > of the admin console (online), even though of course I am uploading > new versions regulary, so I'm starting to wonder if my console has a > bug, or am I missing something? > Basically there's no way for me to revert to an old version. > > Thanks for you help > > Frank --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Should I migrate to App Engine?
No, it is not. CGI is generic way of passing environment variables to web applications. WSGI is standardized communication protocol between web servers (like these that offer CGI interface) and web applications written in Python. Basically you just write WSGI-based application and run it in WSGI environment like mod_wsgi (for Apache) or bridging with other environment eg. using Flup to connect to FastCGI, SCGI or AJP gateways. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Gateway_Interface and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wsgi. The main advantage over traditional VPS or dedicated hosting is maintenance - you just deploy your application and that's all. No need to think about database setup, mail server configuration, load balancing, etc. Considering shared hosting, you'll get scalability and generous free limit. You will pay with vendor lock-in, at least to some extent (writing application in a way it could be ran in other environment than GAE is really hard and requires careful planning beforehand). On 26 Lut, 17:09, Wiiboy wrote: > So what are the advantages of moving to App Engine? > > By the way, my other hosting provider says that it uses CGI. Is that > the same thing as WSGI? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] am I the only one seeing only one version of my application in the admin console?
Hi everyone, I am seeing only one version of my application in the 'Versions' menu of the admin console (online), even though of course I am uploading new versions regulary, so I'm starting to wonder if my console has a bug, or am I missing something? Basically there's no way for me to revert to an old version. Thanks for you help Frank --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] DataStore : Unable to Delete Exploding Indexes
I have several indexes based on searchable_text_index that I've been unable to delete for some time. When I vacuum, the status changes to "Deleting", that after about 40min changes back to error. Several people on the AppEngine team have offered advice, but the conclusion has always been that the indexes are exceeding DataStore thresholds. I'm unable to create new indexes until these are removed. Is there any way these can be removed by Google? thanks, David __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , bookid ▲ Error __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , bookid ▲ Error __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , bookid ▲ Error __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , __searchable_text_index ▲ , translation ▲ , bookid ▲ , chapter ▲ , verse ▲ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: pass dict() to db.Model subclass?
The problem was that my first keyword-argument list was in Unicode. Since StringProperty accepts Unicode, the second list was fine. I needed to convert the first list to str before proceeding. Here is the modified, working code: form_values = [str(i) for i in self.request.arguments()] form_response=[] for key in form_values: form_response.append(self.request.get(key)) data = dict(zip(form_values,form_response)) user = User(**data) Thank you for the clarification. Emery On Feb 20, 5:52 pm, djidjadji wrote: > You must expand the dictionary into named-arguments > No need to specify parent and key_name arguments, they have default values > > keys=['a','b','c'] > values=['1','2','3'] > data = dict(zip(keys,values)) > person = Person(**data) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Can´t create new apps
Hi, To narrow down this problem a bit, is this across computers or have you only tried on one computer? If it's only on one computer, what is the OS/ Browser versions you are using? Do you know your IP address? Can you provide screenshots of the error? Do you have live http headers, or another program where we can see the request information why you try to register an application id? This would probably be the most useful information. Can you still see your previously created applications when you sign in to http://appengine.google.com ? Can you upload your app to those previously created app ids? -Marzia On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Neves wrote: > > I always get this message "This application ID or version is already > in use" while creating a new app, even if I choose a random ID like > "gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl.appspot.com" > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Accomplishing a "Join" between Referenced Entities
Until now, the lack of a SQL-like join capability has not been an issue. But... I have 2 entity kinds: - kind1: prop1 - kind2: username, reference_to_kind1 I want to find all kind2's where user=me and reference_to_kind1 is a kind1 where prop1 = specific_value. I can't figure out a way to do this except to start with either class, do a fetch, then iterate over all references. This is potentially A LOT of individual queries. The intersection/join is small, but each kind can have large numbers of entities. How is this done? P.S. Please don't suggest denormalization, because the above is a simplified example. I am really doing this with text fields in kind1, and keyword searchables. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Can´t create new apps
I always get this message "This application ID or version is already in use" while creating a new app, even if I choose a random ID like "gdlefj3osje943j2342kdl.appspot.com" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: New App - wikiaata
kool site.. how are you doing it? I mean tracking the clicks On Feb 26, 5:08 am, indra wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Play the wikipedia game at > > http://www.wikiaata.com > > The app is powered by AppEngine and GWT was used for building the UI. > Any feedback is very welcome. > > Cheers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 答复: [google-appengine] urlfetch pro blem
I wanted to take this opportunity to mention I just spent a week or so feverishly trying to diagnose a similar problem, which also came down to the URL encoding in my requests. I'm working on prototyping a Facebook application where the middleware is hosted by GAE, and the backend is a third-party web service. The flow of information looks something like this: client PC <--> apps.facebook.com <--> myapp.appspot.com <-- mydatasource.com Because fancy authentication is needed, I'm using urllib2 to fetch the data from mydatasource.com. In GAE, urllib and urllib2 are built on the native urlfetch library. I've been finding that for many requests, the call to urlfetch throws DownloadError: ApplicationError 2. This led me to believe, after some searching around, that the problem was a timeout in urlfetch. Documentation states the timeout is fixed at 5 seconds. If my services were slower than that, I'd have very few options for fixing the problem. But it turned out the data source was actually quite fast - subsecond responses to most queries. Assuming it was a timeout issue, this could only mean that Google's cloud was taking more than four seconds to find, connect to and download from mydatasource.com, which seemed absurd. If nothing else, the Cloud is very good at moving information quickly. Today I finally discovered that the DownloadError: ApplicationError 2 had *nothing* to do with timing. Not that there was anything in this sparsely worded and sparsely documented exception, or in its call stack, to implicate the actual problem, which was a malformed URL. It dawned on me what was happening when I compared some of the requests that were and weren't working. I found a pattern: ?param1=foo¶m2=bar<-- this query always succeeds. ?what=foo bar&where=bar, baz <-- this query always fails. What kept me from seeing it was for some reason I thought the latter was failing probabilistically, say 90% of the time, and I concluded that the slightly more complex query was taking too long. Turns out it failed 100% of the time and I assumed otherwise. In hindsight the problem is very obvious. Some of my parameters were unchecked for invalid URI encoding, and contained spaces and commas. There's a very simple way to tell this is the problem, and alokiN and djidjadji touched on it: ***if a GET request fails with urlfetch, but is valid when typed in the browser***, it is likely a URL-encoding bug. This is because browsers will silently correct your URLs, but App Engine does not. There are other significant possibilities to consider, but I had ruled them all out. Once I rewrote my code to assemble requests with urllib.urlencode(), it started working properly. None of this is strictly App Engine doing wrong - in my experience Python exceptions have always been kind of hard to follow. Given that Google controls this API, though, it would be nice if urlfetch checked for this, or if the exception made it clear that illegal characters may be choking the system. On Feb 8, 9:22 am, admin go2 wrote: > You should use POST instead of GET. Since GET request would hit the google > cache server. > If you must use GET request, please try this > urlhttp://server/index.php?auth=authstring&random=a_random_number > > And make sure authstring is urlencoded. > > go2.appspot.com > > http://go2.appspot.com > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > I'm having trouble with using urlfetch. I'm trying to fetch a page > > that needs authentication. The authentication is done by using an url > > parameter (iehttp://server/index.php?auth=authstring). > > > When I write the url in my browser, the page I want is shown. When I > > call the fetch function with the same url, the login page is retrieved > > instead of the expected page, as if the authentication parameter > > wasn't recognised. I'm calling the function only with the url as the > > parameter ( urlfetch.fetch(http://server/index.php?auth=authstring) ), > > so the request should be a normal GET request. > > > Could you please tell me what am I doing wrong? > > > Thanks in advance. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: New App - wikiaata
Good application. Very addictive. Create orkut app for it, m sure will be a good success. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Error on
I have installed the SDK and trying to get the helloworld example in the toturial to work. I'm working on a linux computer and when I run the command: [ivar...@eeyore google_appengine]$ python dev_appserver.py helloworld/ i get this errror: Traceback (most recent call last): File "dev_appserver.py", line 60, in run_file(__file__, globals()) File "dev_appserver.py", line 57, in run_file execfile(script_path, globals_) File "/cs/student/ivarton/devel/google_appengine/google/appengine/ tools/dev_appserver_main.py", line 463, in sys.exit(main(sys.argv)) File "/cs/student/ivarton/devel/google_appengine/google/appengine/ tools/dev_appserver_main.py", line 423, in main if update_check.AllowedToCheckForUpdates(): File "/cs/student/ivarton/devel/google_appengine/google/appengine/ tools/appcfg.py", line 446, in AllowedToCheckForUpdates nag = self._ParseNagFile() File "/cs/student/ivarton/devel/google_appengine/google/appengine/ tools/appcfg.py", line 365, in _ParseNagFile nag = NagFile.Load(fh) File "/cs/student/ivarton/devel/google_appengine/google/appengine/ tools/appcfg.py", line 169, in Load return yaml_object.BuildSingleObject(NagFile, nag_file) File "/cs/student/ivarton/devel/google_appengine/google/appengine/ api/yaml_object.py", line 291, in BuildSingleObject raise yaml_errors.EmptyConfigurationFile() google.appengine.api.yaml_errors.EmptyConfigurationFile I have tried to reinstall the SDK without any luck. When I first installed the SDK two days ago, I got it to work, so it's a bit strange. Ivar --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Can Google Apps Account be an Administrator?
Hi, Yes, Google Apps accounts can be admins of an application. However, it's really only suggested that they are admins of an application where the authentication option of an app is also set to Google Apps. Generally, in order to sign in to an application as an admin, the type of account must match the authentication setting for that app. This is because the app can only serve the authentication page that matches it's authentication option. We have an article on the subject which may be slightly more clear: http://code.google.com/appengine/articles/auth.html If it sounds confusing, that's because it is. Especially because you can have emails that are both Google Accounts and Google Apps accounts. All I can say on that is that we hope in the future we can make it less confusing for all our users, but we aren't there yet. -Marzia On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:37 AM, lenza wrote: > > I signed up for GAE using my Google Apps account, not a gmail.com > account. I can access the administrator console with this account. > However, I cannot access pages where I have "login: admin" set. Also > users.is_current_user_admin() returns False when signed into my Google > Apps account. > > I also have an gmail.com account that I just added as an > administrator. This account can access "login: admin" pages and > users.is_current_user_admin() returns True. > > Is this a known issue? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Can Google Apps Account be an Administrator?
I signed up for GAE using my Google Apps account, not a gmail.com account. I can access the administrator console with this account. However, I cannot access pages where I have "login: admin" set. Also users.is_current_user_admin() returns False when signed into my Google Apps account. I also have an gmail.com account that I just added as an administrator. This account can access "login: admin" pages and users.is_current_user_admin() returns True. Is this a known issue? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Which is better?
My app requires an often-repeating procedure where I need to take two
separate values, and choose one of them.
For example:
class Item():
day
player = [red, black]
value
I need to select which value is larger, and then apply a point to
either Reds or Blacks. Which approach is more efficient
Option one: perform two queries to get red and black separately, then
compare them:
red = models.Item.all().filter('day =', day).filter('player =',
red).get()
black = models.Item.all().filter('day =', day).filter('player =',
black).get()
if red.value>black.value:
Reds += 1
else
Blacks += 1
Option two: perform one query to get both values, sort them, then
compare them:
items = models.Item.all().filter('day =', day).fetch(2)
for item in items:
if item.player == 'red':
red = item
else:
black = item
if red.value>black.value:
Reds += 1
else
Blacks += 1
Basically, since I need to repeat this kind of an action very often,
it's worth knowing which is the better approach. Thanks!
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[google-appengine] Re: load test
Hi there, On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM, pedepy wrote: > > hey all. Although my app is far from complete, I thought Id do a > little early 'load testing' to see what it would look like. > > I had noticed awful big cpu usage times, usually anywhere between > 1100ms to 5000ms on my / page ! ... After some memcaching (I had > absolutely none before that), I was able to get it to reduce to the > mid hundreds after a few loads. Anyway, here's what i did: > > My script sent gradual requests to my app, as I understand this is how > to best test the load under gae. I dunno if these values are optimal, > they were completely random: 10 requests 2 seconds appart, 20 more > starting at 2 seconds and ending at 0.25 seconds apart, and then 15 > more 'all at once'.I fetched / and then parsed the response for all a > & img tags, and followed href's and src images. Then fetched those. I > went 2 'levels' deep like that. I did not follow any forms. This sounds like a good way to do the load test. > My first few 'simulated site hits' ran as slow as what I had > experienced at first. But quickly enough, I saw cpu processing times > drop dramatically. Now, this brought a few questions: > > first of all, I got an 'too much contention on entity' (or something > like that) error, on my first attemps at a load test, which threw 100 > requests for everything on my site all at once. I dont know what that > error is, nor how do avoid it. Are you doing a lot of writes on a single entity in the Datastore? This can cause contention, which leads to this error. This is problematic if you're trying to scale up your application. > second, I noticed that request times read like this /'url' > 200'response code' and then a time mesure and then the cpu ms time. > What is that first time mesure ? Is it the total amount of time > spent ? Does it take into account any kind of latency on the client's > side of things or what not or does this value indicate server > ressources usage only? The logs show "[response code] [wall-clock latency] [CPU-time] [response size]". If you mouse-over the number it should show you a tool-tip that explains. The client-visible latency would be the wall-clock latency plus any network delays (which we can't measure from the server side). -Brett --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Cyclic Definition Problem
This is a minimal example of the stuff that I want to do. class PMethod(PElement): body = db.StringProperty() class PElement(PolyModel): name = db.StringProperty() pMethodInput = db.ReferenceProperty(MetaPMethod, collection_name='input') pMethodOutput = db.ReferenceProperty(MetaPMethod, collection_name='output') Thanks in advance. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Email Question
Hi, With billing, you can send as many emails as you can process during the 30 second request deadline. So while you can pay for sending as many emails as you would like, the request deadline will still be a factor in completing any App Engine operations. I don't know how many emails you can send in 30 seconds (I've never tried to test the limit), but I'd imagine it would be on the order of 30. -Marzia On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:00 AM, MajorProgamming wrote: > > Now that Billing is available, I have some questions about Emails: > > The price is .0001/message. Does that mean I can really send an > unlimited number of messages (provided I pay)? > > What are the limits of email per request? > > Is it a good idea to use this for SMS [alerts], where I send out a > mass email to many ppl via [user's numb...@[carrier's address].com ? > > > Thanks for your help, > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Billing Question
Hi, While we provide various default settings for billing based on budget (normal, CPU intensive, bandwidth intensive, etc), you can choose a 'custom' billing setting which will allow you to set any budgets you want for the listed resources. For instance, you are able to only set budget for bandwidth and email if you so choose. -Marzia On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:57 AM, MajorProgamming wrote: > > Something I didn't understand well about budgets: Can we set the > amount we're willing to pay per resource. For example, suppose I set a > budget of $50. Can I tell GAE to only use that money for let's say > Bandwidth and Email [as opposed to all resources]? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Excessively variable response times, regardless of serving status
Hi, To clarify, this is based on runtime CPU, not datastore CPU. Also, this shouldn't affect the serving status of your application, it just means that your app may see some additional latency on a per request basis if it is serving a large number of CPU intensive requests. -Marzia On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:41 PM, bFlood wrote: > > hi marzia > > ok, can you confirm these new limits? previously, most people designed > their apps to run in the 100-300ms range (datastore access included). > when you started to go over 300ms, the warnings would start to show up > in the logs. suffice it to say, it was reasonable to assume when no > warnings showed up you were in the range that would scale very well on > GAE. > > are you now saying that the new average request target should be below > 100ms (datastore access included)? if so, this seems to me like a > significant reduction in GAE functionality/flexibility. > > am I reading this wrong? (entirely possible) > > thx > brian > > > On Feb 24, 4:55 pm, bFlood wrote: > > well that seems like a change from previous posts. I thought people > > generally quoted 200-300ms as a safe place to be for most of your > > requests > > > > On Feb 24, 4:13 pm, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > 20ms is not considered CPU intensive, but once you get up in to the > > > hundreds, it is. > > > > > -Marzia > > > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:43 AM, bFlood wrote: > > > > > > thanks marzia > > > > > > I dont want to read too much into Nick's results above but is > 30-200ms > > > > now considered to be CPU intensive? > > > > > > cheers > > > > brian > > > > > > On Feb 23, 4:20 pm, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > This is done on a per-request basis. > > > > > > > -Marzia > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, bFlood > wrote: > > > > > > > > hi marzia > > > > > > > > when this occurs, is the temp governor set for the entire app? or > just > > > > > > the handler that caused the high CPU warning? above, Nick said > that > > > > > > the typical request was 30-200ms so it seems odd that it would be > > > > > > throttled > > > > > > > > I think this is better then the original high CPU reaction (throw > > > > > > exception after limit) but if it affects *all* handlers it might > turn > > > > > > out to be far worse for apps where the majority of requests are > well > > > > > > below the high CPU threadhold > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > brian > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 2:54 pm, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > Upon some further investigation, it seems that this is the > result of > > > > the > > > > > > new > > > > > > > handling of CPU intensive requests, more information about > which can > > > > be > > > > > > > found here: > > > > > >http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas.html#Request_Limits > > > > > > > > > Specifically "Applications that are heavily cpu-bound, on the > other > > > > hand, > > > > > > > may incur some additional latency in long-running requests in > order > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > room for other apps sharing the same servers. " > > > > > > > > > Essentially, if we observe that you have some heavily cpu-bound > > > > requests, > > > > > > > your handler may experience additional latency. This may not > always > > > > > > happen, > > > > > > > and for the higher cpu request handlers, there is no way to > know > > > > exactly > > > > > > > when it may happen. > > > > > > > > > -Marzia > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Nick Winter < > livel...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We've been seeing pretty brutal response times intermittently > for > > > > our > > > > > > > > app (id: skrit), which I can't figure out. Some more info: > > > > > > > > > > * They're clustered in time: all requests will be slow for > several > > > > > > > > seconds at a time, dozens of times over a couple hours > > > > > > > > * The long periods of slowness often happen in the morning, > > > > although > > > > > > > > not always, and not every morning > > > > > > > > * Traffic doesn't appear to be related, and is low (less than > 5 > > > > > > > > requests per second) > > > > > > > > * It's not instance startup costs. I'm logging when things > are > > > > > > > > imported, and on a small request with no datastore > interaction: > > > > > > > > -- with no startup costs, normally around 30-200ms, spikes to > > > > > > > > 1300-1600ms > > > > > > > > -- with startup costs, normally around 1300-1600ms, spikes to > > > > > > > > 4000-11500ms > > > > > > > > * It doesn't seem to be related to dynamic get latency or > anything > > > > > > > > else on the serving status page. Initially, we thought it was > > > > loosely > > > > > > > > correlated, but I think those were just flukes. This happens > much > > > > more > > > > > > > > often, and for much longer, than serving latency is ever > high. > > > > > > > > * It happens on all requests; I've just given numbers for
[google-appengine] Re: Server Error woes
Hi David, If you provide the app id I can look in to it. We usually see this with corrupt data, or data that is too large to be returned with the default 20 entity setting. -Marzia On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:56 PM, iDavid wrote: > > I'm getting a "Server Error" message from the dashboard, when I go > into the "Data Viewer" and select "TiwiNotes" (one of my data > entities). > > I've had the data in the data store for a couple of months. > I just purchased the "pay for higher quotas", and was getting ready to > run another benchmark by deleting the existing entities. After > deleting about 47000 items, my delete code (deleting 500 per request), > threw an exception. I logged the exception, but it was blank. So, I > attempted to look at the data via the "Data Viewer" and got the > "Server Error". > > I know they are close, guess this is the fun part about being on the > "bleeding edge". > > I'm cut! Medic! > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Disappointed with free quota changes (probably not surprising)
Why not try AppEngine Patch, you get the best of both gae and django. -- www.MobiTheWeb.com Let's share the best mobile web experience. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Bennomatic wrote: > > I could make a pretty good guess as to why it happened. Google's > major income is from advertising, and while they're not going broke > any time soon, the amount of money coming in from their advertising > has dropped significantly, and so things they could have done as loss > leaders to get more advertising dollars now are weighing more on the > budget, so they needed to lower the payment bar on this service. > > I'm sure they set the initial quotas with best intentions, but > crunching some numbers, found that it was not going to be profitable. > However, as with Gmail service, where the disk space available just > keeps growing and growing, I'd be willing to bet that as AppEngine > matures, we might see some new features and/or changes in quotas to > make it even more appealing than it was in the pre-quota-change days. > > That having been said, there may be other reasons for the change. > when they set the initial quotas, they did it based on a light- > processing app getting, IIRC, 5 million hits per month. That number > hasn't changed. It could very well be that when they set the quotas, > they were thinking of the 5 million hits per month and it turns out > that with proper accounting in place, what they were offering was > enough for 50 or 500 million. > > I understand your frustration. I do. And they certainly could have > handled this better so that it wouldn't feel like a bait-and-switch. > But at the end of the day, the amount of free service they are > offering is pretty substantial and for every case like yours I'd bet > there are hundreds of people who are going to be able to start a > business and get it profitable before they have to pay a dime. > > If this is for a non-profit organization, it still isn't the end of > the world. I'm sure that the organization has grant writers who could > get a $1,000/year grant to pay for the hosting without a problem, if > it's going to help them do their good works. Good luck; I hope that > the optimizations aren't too difficult, and that you can find some way > to stay under those quotas. Keep the community posted! > > On Feb 24, 6:12 pm, "B.J." wrote: > > I don't know that I have ever whined at an organization like Google > > for trying to make money. > > > > That's changing with this message. > > > > By my calculations, it could cost me $1000 over the next year to host > > my app that I had anticipated being hosted under the quotas. It may > > cost me nothing right now our usage is just under the daily CPU > > limits. If the traffic doesn't grow, no problem But whose goal is it > > for an app not to get more usage? > > > > My only real gripe is that App Engine caused me to invest a lot of > > effort in shoe-horning my app into the "Google Way". I did that with > > the understanding that the trade-off was a certain amount of free > > hosting. Was that a promise? Of course not. Is Google under any > > obligation to meet my expectation? No. > > > > However, as I attempt to further optimize the application in an effort > > to not exceed limits, the future of the application is now in > > question. This is not a profit deal. I gave away my time in an > > effort to help an organization. Had I known this change was coming, I > > probably would have chosen a different solution. Because of the > > "vendor lock-in" of App Engine, the end result of all this may be > > simply turning the app off and letting the organization do without. > > (or find someone else to help them out.) Better that than hit daily > > free limits or find money out of someone's pocket. > > > > Look $1000/year is not a big deal for world-class hosting. I get it. > > I also understand that the free quotas are only there to get people > > "hooked" such as it were. I guess I wish had listened to those who > > said, "Don't do App Engine. They'll lock you in and change the deal. > > It's not portable enough." > > > > Shame on me, I guess. > > > > And before people chime in with all the, "You could always move it > > to...", or "If you had just written it this way... " or "It's a > > business, of course they're trying to get you to go over the limits.." > > please don't. > > > > This is just a note to let the people at Google know there is a very > > real cost to changing the deal on people. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Disappointed with free quota changes (probably not surprising)
I could make a pretty good guess as to why it happened. Google's major income is from advertising, and while they're not going broke any time soon, the amount of money coming in from their advertising has dropped significantly, and so things they could have done as loss leaders to get more advertising dollars now are weighing more on the budget, so they needed to lower the payment bar on this service. I'm sure they set the initial quotas with best intentions, but crunching some numbers, found that it was not going to be profitable. However, as with Gmail service, where the disk space available just keeps growing and growing, I'd be willing to bet that as AppEngine matures, we might see some new features and/or changes in quotas to make it even more appealing than it was in the pre-quota-change days. That having been said, there may be other reasons for the change. when they set the initial quotas, they did it based on a light- processing app getting, IIRC, 5 million hits per month. That number hasn't changed. It could very well be that when they set the quotas, they were thinking of the 5 million hits per month and it turns out that with proper accounting in place, what they were offering was enough for 50 or 500 million. I understand your frustration. I do. And they certainly could have handled this better so that it wouldn't feel like a bait-and-switch. But at the end of the day, the amount of free service they are offering is pretty substantial and for every case like yours I'd bet there are hundreds of people who are going to be able to start a business and get it profitable before they have to pay a dime. If this is for a non-profit organization, it still isn't the end of the world. I'm sure that the organization has grant writers who could get a $1,000/year grant to pay for the hosting without a problem, if it's going to help them do their good works. Good luck; I hope that the optimizations aren't too difficult, and that you can find some way to stay under those quotas. Keep the community posted! On Feb 24, 6:12 pm, "B.J." wrote: > I don't know that I have ever whined at an organization like Google > for trying to make money. > > That's changing with this message. > > By my calculations, it could cost me $1000 over the next year to host > my app that I had anticipated being hosted under the quotas. It may > cost me nothing right now our usage is just under the daily CPU > limits. If the traffic doesn't grow, no problem But whose goal is it > for an app not to get more usage? > > My only real gripe is that App Engine caused me to invest a lot of > effort in shoe-horning my app into the "Google Way". I did that with > the understanding that the trade-off was a certain amount of free > hosting. Was that a promise? Of course not. Is Google under any > obligation to meet my expectation? No. > > However, as I attempt to further optimize the application in an effort > to not exceed limits, the future of the application is now in > question. This is not a profit deal. I gave away my time in an > effort to help an organization. Had I known this change was coming, I > probably would have chosen a different solution. Because of the > "vendor lock-in" of App Engine, the end result of all this may be > simply turning the app off and letting the organization do without. > (or find someone else to help them out.) Better that than hit daily > free limits or find money out of someone's pocket. > > Look $1000/year is not a big deal for world-class hosting. I get it. > I also understand that the free quotas are only there to get people > "hooked" such as it were. I guess I wish had listened to those who > said, "Don't do App Engine. They'll lock you in and change the deal. > It's not portable enough." > > Shame on me, I guess. > > And before people chime in with all the, "You could always move it > to...", or "If you had just written it this way... " or "It's a > business, of course they're trying to get you to go over the limits.." > please don't. > > This is just a note to let the people at Google know there is a very > real cost to changing the deal on people. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Need more apps for Web App Wednesday
On Feb 26, 8:56 am, Richard Sage wrote: > How about another app that produces charts/graphs of sh*tty-ness? (google > chart api?) Sure, I'd like that. Feel free to either fork the application (within the terms of the license) or send me a patch. A couple of the other apps (license-info and lang-info) are accumulating historical data (for eventual trend charting), but not CurseCode. - Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: how to activate appspot.com Account for google app
Did you goto
http://appengine.google.com/a/{yourdomain.com}/
On 26/02/2009, Flank wrote:
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> i wanna use .appspot.com as the domain for my google
> app,when i try to sign in to my account at appspot.com ,the site
> tells me that:
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> Account Verification Needed
> The account you attempted to sign in to is not yet activated. The
> associated email address needs verification. In order to verify that
> the email address associated with your account is correct, we have
> sent an email message to that address. To activate your appspot.com
> account, please access your email and visit the verification URL
> provided.
>
> To have the verification email resent to
> @appspot.com , click here .
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>
> The problem is how i can access mail server of appspot.com to get my
> Verification in @appspot.com?
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[google-appengine] Re: Should I migrate to App Engine?
So what are the advantages of moving to App Engine? By the way, my other hosting provider says that it uses CGI. Is that the same thing as WSGI? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Disappointed with free quota changes (probably not surprising)
Nice site ;) - Hope you make out something from it NickMilon --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Need more apps for Web App Wednesday
How about another app that produces charts/graphs of sh*tty-ness? (google chart api?) 2009/2/26 Michael R. Bernstein > > Hello GAE TEam members! > > For several weeks now I've been creating and launching a new web > application every Wednesday [1], and I've released the code for each > of them under the AGPL. Last night I released the seventh, called > CurseCode [2], which means I now have three slots left. > > I'd like to continue beyond ten weeks, but I'll need more app slots in > order to do it. So far as I can tell [3] you folks on the GAE team > like what I've been doing, so hopefully you can help out. > > Thanks in advance, > > - Michael R. Bernstein > > [1] http://www.webappwednesday.com > [2] http://cursecode.appspot.com > [3] > http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2009/02/web-app-wednesday-mashup-backup-and.html > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Datastore - Data Viewer
I've got all BlobProperties. I'm guessing that explains it. Cesium On Feb 23, 7:47 pm, Doug wrote: > Thanks Marzia! > > Other then the key the other data is in TextProperties. > > Doug > > On Feb 23, 11:21 am, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > No configuration is needed, it should just work. The one caveat is that > > entity types which are not queryable are not viewable in the dataviewer. > > For instance, if your entities are only TextProperties (which you can't > > query upon), you will not be able to see these entities in the dataviewer. > > > -Marzia > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:00 AM,Cesium wrote: > > > > Same here. My app seems to be functioning properly but dataviewer > > > says: > > > > No Data Yet. > > > You'll need to insert data programmatically into the Datastore before > > > you can browse it here. > > >Cesium > > > > On Feb 21, 8:25 am, Doug wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > > Does the Data Viewer need any configuration before it can be used? > > > > > I have an application that is able to put and get data from the data > > > > store and when using the dev server is viable in the development > > > > console, but when deployed the application still works, but when I > > > > click on the Data Viewer in in the production console I get the > > > > message "No Data Yet. You'll need to insert data programmatically into > > > > the Datastore before you can browse it here." > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Need more apps for Web App Wednesday
Hello GAE TEam members! For several weeks now I've been creating and launching a new web application every Wednesday [1], and I've released the code for each of them under the AGPL. Last night I released the seventh, called CurseCode [2], which means I now have three slots left. I'd like to continue beyond ten weeks, but I'll need more app slots in order to do it. So far as I can tell [3] you folks on the GAE team like what I've been doing, so hopefully you can help out. Thanks in advance, - Michael R. Bernstein [1] http://www.webappwednesday.com [2] http://cursecode.appspot.com [3] http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2009/02/web-app-wednesday-mashup-backup-and.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] how to activate appspot.com Account for google app
i wanna use .appspot.com as the domain for my google app,when i try to sign in to my account at appspot.com ,the site tells me that: Account Verification Needed The account you attempted to sign in to is not yet activated. The associated email address needs verification. In order to verify that the email address associated with your account is correct, we have sent an email message to that address. To activate your appspot.com account, please access your email and visit the verification URL provided. To have the verification email resent to @appspot.com , click here . The problem is how i can access mail server of appspot.com to get my Verification in @appspot.com? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: How about DOS attack?
Star this issue: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=644 On Feb 25, 7:48 pm, coolmenu wrote: > If someone useDOSattack my app, how about i can do? could i have to > pay lots of money for billing? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Does any company use Google app engine to built website for themself?
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[google-appengine] Re: My new Webapp - India Hot News - News Aggregation Service
Quite a few links get 404 errors. For example, this link; http://newsonair.nic.in/noa2/news.asp?cat=Business&id=BN3199 On Feb 24, 3:51 am, vinodxx wrote: > Let me try to improve loading time by reducing the initial > computation. > > On Feb 23, 3:53 pm, KBala wrote: > > > > > yeah it takes time, i am in 1mbs line, its bti slow than my other > > sites, we may not configure properly, not sure > > > On Feb 23, 3:48 pm, vinodxx wrote: > > > > Hello friends, > > > > What about the loading time you are experiencing. > > > When I have tested in my 256kbps connection it takes about 5 secs to > > > load. > > > > Regards, > > > Vinod > > > > On Feb 23, 9:15 am, vinodxx wrote: > > > > > Hello friends, > > > > > I have made a india centric news aggregation service here. > > > > >http://india-news.appspot.com/ > > > > > It was made in last month. > > > > At that time it was not working properly because of urlfetch errors. > > > > Thanks appengine team for rectifying this error. > > > > Now the application is working wonderfully. > > > > > Please give me a feedback on this application. > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vinod- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Odd problem with urlfetch from picasa servers
Hello everybody,
I have been banging my head against this problem for a while now and I
can't seem to understand why it does what it does.
I am trying to import pictures from Picasa using the code appended at
the end of this post. It works fine in the dev environment but for
some reason picasa returns 404 when i try to run it online.
The devserver-logs say:
INFO 2009-02-26 10:24:35,093 svgae.py] Got the following url:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_mUcXljy1w9g/SaQ-uXbkY4I/ACE/DJtdqCz6u50/s1024/IMG_6776.jpg,
data was truncated? 0
INFO 2009-02-26 10:24:35,093 svgae.py] Big thumb got status 200
and lenght: 99720
INFO 2009-02-26 10:24:35,108 dev_appserver.py] "GET /
no_go_with_picasa HTTP/1.1" 200 -
The real thing says:
02-26 02:25AM 24.551 /no_go_with_picasa 200 927ms 951ms-cpu 0kb
130.232.90.98 - - [26/Feb/2009:02:25:25 -0800] "GET /no_go_with_picasa
HTTP/1.1" 200 104 - -
I 02-26 02:25AM 25.473
Got the following url:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_mUcXljy1w9g/SaQ-uXbkY4I/ACE/DJtdqCz6u50/s1024/IMG_6776.jpg,
data was truncated? 0
I 02-26 02:25AM 25.474
Big thumb got status 404 and lenght: 1421
This might be a picasa problem but I tought I'll try here first. The
url to the photo works in both cases so I don't understand the 404.
The most interesting thing is that urlfetch on photo.media.thumbnail
[0].url works fine.
Thankfull for all assistance
/G. Nyman
Code to replicate the problem:
---
class PicasaProblem(webapp.RequestHandler):
def get(self):
gd_client = gdata.photos.service.PhotosService()
gdata.alt.appengine.run_on_appengine(gd_client)
username = 'tehviu'
albumid = 'SigmaTest'
photos = gd_client.GetFeed(
'/data/feed/api/user/%s/album/%s?
kind=photo&thumbsize=64,1024&imgmax=d' % (
username, albumid))
for photo in photos.entry:
img_thumb_big = None
try:
img_thumb_big =
urlfetch.fetch(photo.media.thumbnail[1].url)
except Exception, e:
logging.exception(e)
error = 'Image importing error'
logging.info("Got the following url: " +
photo.media.thumbnail
[1].url + ", data was truncated? " + str
(img_thumb_big.content_was_truncated))
logging.info("Big thumb got status "+ str
(img_thumb_big.status_code) + " and lenght: " + img_thumb_big.headers
['content-length'])
break
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[google-appengine] Ajax: IE & chrome work, but firefox sucks
Dear All,
I use ajax to fetch data, ie & chrome work well, but in firefox,
the dev_appserver prompt just be filled with
continuous http request( response code 200), but nothing in firefox.
could anybody tell me the reason?
Thanks a lot!
here is in-html code:
function init() {
var ops = {
method: "POST",
params: "uid=agdzaGFyZWt1cg0LEgdTS19Vc2VyGAEM"
}
var loader = new lib.Loader( "/ajax/test_Ajax", onload, ops );
loader.load();
}
function onload() {
document.getElementById( "holder" ).innerHTML =
this.request.responseText;
}
here is my ajax lib, problem maybe in init() and load():
var lib = {}
function $( id ) {
return document.getElementById( id );
}
var Class = {
create: function() {
return function() {
this.init.apply( this, arguments );
}
}
}
Object.prototype.expand = function( source ) {
for( var property in source ) {
this[ property ] = source[ property ];
}
return this;
}
//--
lib.Loader = Class.create();
lib.Loader.prototype = {
init: function( url, onload, options ) {
if( arguments.length < 2 ) {
alert( "need url & onLoad() at least" );
return;
}
if( window.XMLHttpRequest ) {
this.request = new XMLHttpRequest();
} else if( window.ActiveXObject ) {
var vsn = [ "MSXML2.XMLHTTP.5.0", "MSXML2.XMLHTTP.4.0",
"MSXML2.XMLHTTP.3.0", "MSXML2.XmlHttp",
"Microsoft.XmlHttp" ];
for( var i = 0; i < vsn.length; i++ ) {
try{
this.request = new ActiveXObject( vsn[
i ] );
break;
} catch( e ) {}
}
}
if( !this.request ) {
alert( "no XMLHTTP implementation" );
return;
}
this.options = new Object();
this.options.expand( this.defaults );
this.options.expand( options );
window.defaultStatus = this.options.onLoadStatus;
this.$type = "Loader";
this.url = url;
this.onload = onload;
},
defaults: {
onerror:null,
method: "GET",
params: null,
contentType:"application/x-www-form-urlencoded",
onLoadStatus: "start...",
onFinishStatus: "done",
isAsync:true,
user: null,
password: null
},
defaultError: function() {
alert( "" );
},
load: function() {
if( this.request ) {
var op = this.options;
try {
var loader = this;
this.request.onreadystatechange = function() {
loader.onReadyState.call( loader );
}
this.request.open( op.method, this.url,
op.isAsync, op.user,
op.password );
this.request.setRequestHeader( "Content-Type",
op.contentType );
this.request.send( op.params );
} catch( error ) {
$call( this.options.onerror );
}
}
},
onReadyState: function() {
if( this.request.readyState == 4 ) {
if( ( this.request.status >= 200 &&
this.request.status <= 300 ) ||
this.request.status == 0 ) {
window.defaultStatus =
this.options.onFinishStatus;
this.onload.call( this );
}
}
}
}
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[google-appengine] Counting real storage roundtrips
Hi all, I've spent a lot of time lately profiling my app. Basically, I've been looking for spots where optimizations can be done so that I better understand its state and figure out how soon I might need to look at 'Billing' The thing I've noticed is that even if pluging in cProfile is a very easy job, figuring out what's going on is basically much more complex than I've imagined, due to the fact that there is no easy way to figure out the code execution path and due to the differences in the SDK sourcecode vs runtime. Anyways, there is one thing that I've learned: datastorage hits, even for reads, are not as cheap as advertised. So, now I'm trying to figure out what are the scenarios when a datastorage hit is required for reads. Here is my initial list: 1. Model.get(): 1 hit (even if multiple keys are provided) 2. db.get(): 1 hit (even if multiple keys are provided) 3. model.reference_property: 1 hit 4. Query.count(): 1 hit Are there any other scenarios that I need to account for? a. What happens for a Query.fetch()? I assume that is 1 hit too. I am wondering if iterating over the results will result in more roundtrips? b. Any other scenarios Many thanks in advance, ./alex -- .w( the_mindstorm )p. Alexandru Popescu --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Disappointed with free quota changes (probably not surprising)
Here's my super freaky logic; one day, I said to myself: "Gmail is free, and it is AWESOME." There was quiet in my mind for several seconds... Then I surmised: "Maybe Google App Engine will do for web hosting what Gmail did for email... it will be AWESOME!" I thought to myself... "I must be a genius... I will make a website right now to capitalize on my mental momentum!" Then I made one. It's www.bookdope.com , I'd appreciate it if you go to it. That would be nice. I would enjoy seeing your visit on Google Analytics (which is also like totally free dude). Unlike this guy's website, theoretically my website has a way to make money. It has sweet AdSense on the left, and I'm an affiliate with Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Walmart, Better World Books, OverStock, and Buy.com. Well, actually I do Better World Books for free because I love them so much. Sure. I haven't made a dime. I'm still like $40 in the hole from buying this sweet "bookdope" domain name. Actually, finding it available was all the motivation I needed -- it just rolls off your tongue. It's dope beyond measure. When Network Solutions said "BOOKDOPE.COM is available," I knew I was destined to make a book site, even if there's like a million of them already out there. So what I'm getting at (even thought it's probably difficult to tell) is that you have to be able to monetize your application or you'll end up having to take it down (unless you're just feeling very generous). I've got a year to make back my $40. I don't know if I'm going to make it, but learning App Engine has been super fun for me, so I'll chalk it up as a pretty good deal. Okay. That's all from me. Please don't give me horrible ratings for this post. I know that some people don't find my humor funny at all. Thanks, Dale --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Disappointed with free quota changes (probably not surprising)
b.j. Actually yours is exactly my point of view and I think that it's the point of many people. On Feb 26, 5:34 am, "B.J." wrote: > Agreed. As I said, "Shame on me." > > On Feb 25, 10:27 pm, Josh Cronemeyer > wrote: > > > I'm not saying you shouldn't be complainin, because lots of us were > > surprised by the new "official" quota numbers and the new accounting, but I > > will say that you certainly undertook a big risk by investing in a > > technology as new and raw as app engine. Given the limitations and concerns > > in your email I wouldn't have recommended you to set sail with the first > > group of settlers to the far shores of google's nacent cloud computing > > offering. Maybe you should have held off to see if we all got swallowed up > > by sea monsters. Good luck! > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:12 PM, B.J. wrote: > > > > I don't know that I have ever whined at an organization like Google > > > for trying to make money. > > > > That's changing with this message. > > > > By my calculations, it could cost me $1000 over the next year to host > > > my app that I had anticipated being hosted under the quotas. It may > > > cost me nothing right now our usage is just under the daily CPU > > > limits. If the traffic doesn't grow, no problem But whose goal is it > > > for an app not to get more usage? > > > > My only real gripe is that App Engine caused me to invest a lot of > > > effort in shoe-horning my app into the "Google Way". I did that with > > > the understanding that the trade-off was a certain amount of free > > > hosting. Was that a promise? Of course not. Is Google under any > > > obligation to meet my expectation? No. > > > > However, as I attempt to further optimize the application in an effort > > > to not exceed limits, the future of the application is now in > > > question. This is not a profit deal. I gave away my time in an > > > effort to help an organization. Had I known this change was coming, I > > > probably would have chosen a different solution. Because of the > > > "vendor lock-in" of App Engine, the end result of all this may be > > > simply turning the app off and letting the organization do without. > > > (or find someone else to help them out.) Better that than hit daily > > > free limits or find money out of someone's pocket. > > > > Look $1000/year is not a big deal for world-class hosting. I get it. > > > I also understand that the free quotas are only there to get people > > > "hooked" such as it were. I guess I wish had listened to those who > > > said, "Don't do App Engine. They'll lock you in and change the deal. > > > It's not portable enough." > > > > Shame on me, I guess. > > > > And before people chime in with all the, "You could always move it > > > to...", or "If you had just written it this way... " or "It's a > > > business, of course they're trying to get you to go over the limits.." > > > please don't. > > > > This is just a note to let the people at Google know there is a very > > > real cost to changing the deal on people. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Email Question
Now that Billing is available, I have some questions about Emails: The price is .0001/message. Does that mean I can really send an unlimited number of messages (provided I pay)? What are the limits of email per request? Is it a good idea to use this for SMS [alerts], where I send out a mass email to many ppl via [user's numb...@[carrier's address].com ? Thanks for your help, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Billing Question
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[google-appengine] Import error timegm in PyDev Run Configuration
I've got an issue when I try to run the dev server script through PyDev (eclipse plugin) where at runtime I get an error stating the script couldn't import timegm. This is on Leopard and I've followed the directions provided at this helpful blog post: http://daily.profeth.de/2008/04/google-app-engine-eclipse-pydev.html Has anyone experienced this issue? Is there a Python library I need to upgrade? I'm using the Python 2.5 version that comes pre-installed with Leopard. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Excessively variable response times, regardless of serving status
I wouldn't worry about 100-300ms requests being sidelined until and unless I saw it happening. I realize I also may have been unclear before: I was measuring response times, not CPU time, if that helps. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Excessively variable response times, regardless of serving status
thanks for info Nick, I realize I'm probably looking too deeply into your explanation above. I thought you had said it was not instance startup cost (which had me concerned), although I know it can be difficult to debug/profile what is actually happening. of more concern to me is marzia's comment that 100-300ms is now considered *intensive*. this is not how it was portrayed in the past so it seems to me that while they added the ability to have longer running requests, they've also reduced what you can accomplish for the average request. I have yet to see these governors kick in but I know that a lot of my average requests fall into the 100-300ms range so I wonder how it will affect performance when a large amount of concurrent load is added. maybe it wont, your comment about piping everything through a single handler (AMF gateway) may, as you said, be part of the problem. still, I'll go back to the log warnings from the past 6 months, they just did not appear for requests under 300ms. and now I'm not sure if I'll be penalized for them btw, I have no problem with having to pay more for this, I just dont know if this portion of the CPU pricing is extensible or not... cheers brian On Feb 25, 9:47 pm, Nick Winter wrote: > Thanks for following through on this, Marzia! That makes a lot more > sense. I really appreciate the diagnosis; you rock! > > bFlood, I think the only reason that handler is getting mauled is > because of the 1200ms+ startup costs for initializing a new instance. > Because it's the same handler, the startup costs are causing it to > look like a dog and get collared, delaying also the 30-200ms type > requests. > > Also note that there are lots of what are "different" requests to me, > in that they do much different things, but they share a common handler > and URL (in this case, a PyAMF gateway on /gateway). So that's why > many different parts of the site seemed slow together. > > Now I just have to find a way to hack down that PyAMF startup time. > Ugh. > > On Feb 23, 2:54 pm, Marzia Niccolai wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Upon some further investigation, it seems that this is the result of the new > > handling of CPU intensive requests, more information about which can be > > found here:http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas.html#Request_Limits > > > Specifically "Applications that are heavily cpu-bound, on the other hand, > > may incur some additional latency in long-running requests in order to make > > room for other apps sharing the same servers. " > > > Essentially, if we observe that you have some heavily cpu-bound requests, > > your handler may experience additional latency. This may not always happen, > > and for the higher cpu request handlers, there is no way to know exactly > > when it may happen. > > > -Marzia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Is Google app engine supports Google gears?
On 26 helmi, 13:00, sunita khilare wrote: > Hi Barry. > Could u please guide me regarding this..I am some what confused Howdy, you can start here: http://code.google.com/apis/gears/ jK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Is Google app engine supports Google gears?
Hi Barry. Could u please guide me regarding this..I am some what confused Regards, Suni... On Feb 26, 3:16 pm, Barry Hunter wrote: > Gearsis a client side application, and doesnt really care what type > of server it interacts with (as long as it speaks http ;) > > so yes it can. > > (If you search the group you may even find mention of applications > already usinggears) > > On 26/02/2009, sunita khilare wrote: > > > > > Could you please tell me can we create web application which > > supports Googlegearsand we can deploy that application on google app > > engine? > > -- > Barry > > -www.nearby.org.uk-www.geograph.org.uk- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Still "This application ID or version is already in use" Error
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[google-appengine] Re: Is Google app engine supports Google gears?
Thank u so much.Barry Regards, Sunita On Feb 26, 3:16 pm, Barry Hunter wrote: > Gearsis a client side application, and doesnt really care what type > of server it interacts with (as long as it speaks http ;) > > so yes it can. > > (If you search the group you may even find mention of applications > already usinggears) > > On 26/02/2009, sunita khilare wrote: > > > > > Could you please tell me can we create web application which > > supports Googlegearsand we can deploy that application on google app > > engine? > > -- > Barry > > -www.nearby.org.uk-www.geograph.org.uk- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Is Google app engine supports Google gears?
Gears is a client side application, and doesnt really care what type of server it interacts with (as long as it speaks http ;) so yes it can. (If you search the group you may even find mention of applications already using gears) On 26/02/2009, sunita khilare wrote: > > Could you please tell me can we create web application which > supports Google gears and we can deploy that application on google app > engine? > > > -- Barry - www.nearby.org.uk - www.geograph.org.uk - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Is Google app engine supports Google gears?
Could you please tell me can we create web application which supports Google gears and we can deploy that application on google app engine? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: How about DOS attack?
Google have stated that they will refund billing directly resulting from a DDOS attact - but have only seen that said in the group - cant see it in the doucmentation. On 26/02/2009, coolmenu wrote: > > If someone use DOS attack my app, how about i can do? could i have to > pay lots of money for billing? > > > > -- Barry - www.nearby.org.uk - www.geograph.org.uk - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: How about DOS attack?
It's not a denial of service -- ideally the GAE cloud should scale up, regardless of request volume. It IS, however, an economic denial of sustainability, or EDoS. Different issue, and one GAE has yet to address. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:48 PM, coolmenu wrote: > > If someone use DOS attack my app, how about i can do? could i have to > pay lots of money for billing? > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Should I migrate to App Engine?
They say so (in normal CGI you do not have cached imports), but I found one of my applications performing much worse than in normal WSGI environment (Apache + mod_wsgi in daemon mode). I suspect the storage, as my app is rather write-heavy - profiling info did not reveal any special suspects. On 26 Lut, 06:38, Wiiboy wrote: > Huh. You sound like my Google-hating dad, saying, 'I drink the Google > kool-aid'. > But I'm not using my own servers. I'm hosting with another company > (called Lunarpages). There isn't much code to convert, and, for > safety, I'd probably try to keep up a standard-python copy, just in > case. > One big question: would App Engine be any faster than standard CGI > like my other hosting provider provides (I thought I read thats all > App Engine uses)? It seems the Python stuff with my other provider is > a bit slow...? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
