Re: [google-appengine] Totally impossible reported usage

2012-02-10 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
It looks like you sent out negative 183 emails.  I suggest sending out a
positive message with all future correspondance.

Jeff

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Visibo  wrote:

> Hi
>
> My usage report today suggests that my app has sent 2,147,483,465 (!!)
> emails and is way beyond quota for out-sending mails. Clearly, I am
> very sure my app has not sent 2,147,483,465 emails and the number is
> curiously close to 2 to the power 31 ( = 2,147,483,648). It should
> clearly be something wrong on the usage counter (?) but nonetheless
> this is affecting all the app's normal operations. Could anyone from
> the App Engine team sort this out or shed light on who to contact for
> such issue? Thanks a lot.
>
> Sandy
> Visibo Team
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RE: [google-appengine] Re: Task Queue Quota Errors, but I have enough quota

2012-02-10 Thread Brandon Wirtz
I could be totally off my rocker.  This is how they were explained to me by
someone on SO a while back I am traveling I don't have the thread on hand.

I have only ever tweaked the rate tasks are processed.




> Hey Brandon,
>   No offense, but there's almost nothing correct in this.  I'm also not
sure
> where some of the terms come from -- I couldn't find references to them in
> the Python or Java docs.




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Re: [google-appengine] Re: is multiprocessing or pprocess supported by gae?

2012-02-10 Thread Robert Kluin
Hi,
  Have you considered using taskqueues?  That will let you spread the
load across multiple instances of your app.
http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/taskqueue/

  Python 2.7 supports some threading, but, of course, if you're CPU
bound that won't help in Python (and may actually make it worse).

http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/python27/newin27.html#Multithreading



Robert




2012/2/10 saintthor :
> my app takes a lot of cpu time. threading takes more.
>
> On 2月11日, 上午1时57分, Ricardo Bánffy  wrote:
>> If you explain why you need them, maybe someone will be able to help you. I
>> suspect App Engine doesn't support them, but there are other ways to
>> accomplish what they do.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:22 PM, saintthor  wrote:
>> > i need them.
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Indexes

2012-02-10 Thread Robert Kluin
I also dislike the current workflow.  At the minimum it could easily
be made less painful for the users.  I submitted a ticket with one
proposed improvement.

  http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=6573


Robert




On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 20:58, Mike Wesner  wrote:
> Would be great to hear from the App Engine Team about this.  It seems
> like one area that has never had any attention.
>
> Work could be done to:
>
> 1. Speed this process up or at least inform the user of the ETA
> 2. Explain why an index goes into error, or better yet just never let
> them be in error
> 3. Allow the user to fix the index by clicking on something if its in
> error (remove and re-index button?)
>
>
> -mike
>
> On Feb 10, 4:25 pm, Barry Hunter  wrote:
>> If you mean a custom composit index (ie via index.yaml) - then I
>> believe there is a sequential processing queue.
>>
>> The delay is as much about how many tasks (and their size!) are in the
>> queue, rather than the size of your new index.
>>
>> Unless its stuck in some sort of error state - check your logs. In
>> which case might need to do some vacuuming
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Christian Goudreau
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > Hi Everyone,
>>
>> > Why my indexes takes forever to build while there's only two object? And 
>> > two
>> > field?
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Re: [google-appengine] Help! We can't pay for App Engine and our apps failing as a result!

2012-02-10 Thread Robert Kluin
Hi Derek,
  Did you get this corrected?  Have you tried in a different browser?

  If you're still down, you might try filing a billing issue -- but
those often take quite some time.  You might have better luck filing a
prod issue and hoping someone can help you.


http://code.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=AppEngineBillingSupport

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/entry?template=Production%20issue



Robert



On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 16:26, Derek Shanahan  wrote:
> We're running into memory issues, and on the Free billing plan. We are
> TRYING to put our CC into Google Checkout to set up a daily limit on
> AppEngine and the whole thing just seems broken.
>
> We put our info in, no Terms of Service is showing, we click to send
> payment to appengine, then nothing happens.
>
> Our users are complaining, please help!
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Task Queue Quota Errors, but I have enough quota

2012-02-10 Thread Robert Kluin
Hey Brandon,
  No offense, but there's almost nothing correct in this.  I'm also
not sure where some of the terms come from -- I couldn't find
references to them in the Python or Java docs.

  Tasks will basically be run as fast as your settings allow.  There
are three main settings: rate, bucket_size, and
max_concurrent_requests.  The bucket size controls the "token bucket"
behavior.  Rate controls the frequency at which tasks may be selected
from the queue.  The concurrent request limit gives you more fine
grained control of a queue (handy with the new pricing).

  The only limit to how many tasks you can have, that I'm aware of, is
the stored task count/bytes quotas, and possibly the api calls quota.

  Tasks shouldn't ever be lost.  If an app is actually losing tasks
that is a bug in either the app's code or app engine's.

  I'm not sure what timeout you're referring too.  You can specify a
delay before a task will be run (eta or countdown params), and for
pull queues a lease durration.


Robert



On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 15:52, Brandon Wirtz  wrote:
>> The bucket and rates are for controlling execution.  They don't limit
> adding
>> tasks to a queue.
>
> Doesn't the Token bucket?
>
> Also there is a max QueSize in MB you can specify in the YAML.  I don't know
> what the limit is.
>
>
> My rough understanding was that
>
> Token Rate was how many task/s you could add.
>
> Process rate was how fast tasks would be processed.
>
> Queue Size was number of tasks that could be pending.
>
> Time Out was the time to expire
>
>
> If your token rate is 5 per S
> And your process is 2 per
> And your Queue size is  5000
> And your time out is 75 minutes
>
> If 18 people wanted to make 10 new tasks in 3 seconds.  The Token bucket
> would empty and only 15 tasks would be created.
>
> If 500 people an hour wanted to create 20 tasks each (1 tasks, 3600
> seconds) yields 2.78 Tasks/s the Token bucket would not go dry. The Process
> bucket would spin up instances enough to process the tasks, and it would try
> to space them out such that it would take 5000 seconds
> But you would lose some of those task because the Task Queue would not have
> only processed all of the tasks before it hit the 5000 task limit (7200-ish
> would complete)
> And because you are limiting tasks to 75 minutes, but it would take 1 hour
> 23 minutes to process the task a portion would get dropped.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [google-appengine] Reduced email quota for billed application

2012-02-10 Thread Robert Kluin
Hi Piotr,
  Google said yesterday that they were running a job to correct this
issue.  I'd suggest you give it a little more time, then if it isn't
fixed file an issue.


http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/entry?template=Production%20issue


Robert




On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 09:33, Piotr Duda  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Although I have enabled billing for my application months ago, the
> email quota for it has not been raised. This is major issue for the
> service I'm running since we notify users about different sorts of
> events which occur in the system.  Could anyone from the App Engine
> team sort this out ?
>
> Since I don't want to expose my app_id could you please provide me
> with a way to report this issue in a more private manner ?
>
>
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[google-appengine] Re: is multiprocessing or pprocess supported by gae?

2012-02-10 Thread saintthor
my app takes a lot of cpu time. threading takes more.

On 2月11日, 上午1时57分, Ricardo Bánffy  wrote:
> If you explain why you need them, maybe someone will be able to help you. I
> suspect App Engine doesn't support them, but there are other ways to
> accomplish what they do.
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:22 PM, saintthor  wrote:
> > i need them.
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[google-appengine] Re: Indexes

2012-02-10 Thread Mike Wesner
Would be great to hear from the App Engine Team about this.  It seems
like one area that has never had any attention.

Work could be done to:

1. Speed this process up or at least inform the user of the ETA
2. Explain why an index goes into error, or better yet just never let
them be in error
3. Allow the user to fix the index by clicking on something if its in
error (remove and re-index button?)


-mike

On Feb 10, 4:25 pm, Barry Hunter  wrote:
> If you mean a custom composit index (ie via index.yaml) - then I
> believe there is a sequential processing queue.
>
> The delay is as much about how many tasks (and their size!) are in the
> queue, rather than the size of your new index.
>
> Unless its stuck in some sort of error state - check your logs. In
> which case might need to do some vacuuming
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Christian Goudreau
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
>
> > Why my indexes takes forever to build while there's only two object? And two
> > field?
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[google-appengine] Re: Totally impossible reported usage

2012-02-10 Thread pdknsk
I've had this as well. It fixed itself the next day.

http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/a0b1ac32a2e6b461/

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

2012-02-10 Thread Robert Kluin
Awesome!  You stole what was going to be an evening project this weekend.  ;)

Looking forwards to checking this out.


Robert



On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:46, Andrin von Rechenberg  wrote:
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>
> Short version:
> Problem solved, just subscribe
> to: google-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com
> You will receive every new question & answer in your favorite email client.
>
> Long version:
> I like stackoverflow when I'm googling, but I prefer gmail in my workflow
> for being part of the community.
>
> So I spent the afternoon hacking a tool together that crawls the rss feeds
> of StackOverflow every 5 minutes and checks whats new and mails it out.
> This could be done for any StackOverflow tag, I built a generic tool:
> http://stack-over-mail.appspot.com
>
> Of course it runs on AppEngine.
>
> It's running on free quota, so until someone sponsors it, please dont
> subscribe to super heavy tags like "java"...
>
> I'll open-source the source code soonish.
>
> Cheers,
> -Andrin
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM, MLTrim 
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm a Stack Overflow user and I really appreciate this move; thank you
>> for this.
>> For the reluctant of this change, fiddle with Stack Overflow for a
>> couple of weeks and you'll be addicted.
>> Michele
>> [Systempuntoout]
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

2012-02-10 Thread Andrin von Rechenberg
If there is a tag for that you can create a mail forward for it on
stack-over-mail.appspot.com :)
Its generic...

Cheers,
-Andrin
On Feb 10, 2012 11:28 PM, "Francois Masurel"  wrote:

> Great work Andrin, I just joined the group.
>
> I noticed that lots of messages are not directly related to GAE but are
> rather about applications running on App Engine.
>
> Time will tell if SO was the right solution for GAE languages groups.
>
> May be you could create specialized groups like google-appengine-java-**
> stackoverf...@googlegroups.com
>  :-)
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> Thanx again.
>
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

2012-02-10 Thread Francois Masurel
Great work Andrin, I just joined the group.

I noticed that lots of messages are not directly related to GAE but are 
rather about applications running on App Engine.

Time will tell if SO was the right solution for GAE languages groups.

May be you could create specialized groups like 
google-appengine-java-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com
 :-)

Thanx again.

Francois

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Re: [google-appengine] Indexes

2012-02-10 Thread Barry Hunter
If you mean a custom composit index (ie via index.yaml) - then I
believe there is a sequential processing queue.

The delay is as much about how many tasks (and their size!) are in the
queue, rather than the size of your new index.

Unless its stuck in some sort of error state - check your logs. In
which case might need to do some vacuuming



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>
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> field?
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[google-appengine] Help! We can't pay for App Engine and our apps failing as a result!

2012-02-10 Thread Derek Shanahan
We're running into memory issues, and on the Free billing plan. We are
TRYING to put our CC into Google Checkout to set up a daily limit on
AppEngine and the whole thing just seems broken.

We put our info in, no Terms of Service is showing, we click to send
payment to appengine, then nothing happens.

Our users are complaining, please help!

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[google-appengine] Indexes

2012-02-10 Thread Christian Goudreau
Hi Everyone,

Why my indexes takes forever to build while there's only two object? And 
two field?

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Re: [google-appengine] Full Text Search Options

2012-02-10 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
Jon,

How do you feel about backends? I don't know how big the word documents
are, but at that scale you might be able to get away with a small backend
that you run persistently with an in-memory Lucene or Whoosh instance.

Alternatively, about a year ago I did a couple of experiments hosting Solr
on a $20 VPS and found that the network overhead only seemed to add
20ms-100ms. It seemed to be more about the fact that I was pushing the
CPU/memory utilization of the $20 VPS through the roof. I never load tested
this solution.

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On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Jon McMillan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We're 3 weeks from launching our application and in ~8 weeks IndexTank
> will no longer be accessible.  I've been holding my breath waiting for
> a new torch carrier for IndexTank or for App Engine to get full text
> search.
>
> I've been a 1 man army on this project and App Engine taking most of
> the server stuff off my shoulders has been a blessing.  Can anyone
> recommend a hosted search option that I can use to bridge the gap
> between IndexTank and GAE?  Am I best off launching Lucene/Solr on EC2
> myself?
>
> We're dealing with 20k Word documents.  The text has already been
> extracted and can be sent directly.  The content doesn't change often
> and search can lag for months.  I don't need/want page crawling.
>
> Thanks
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Re: [google-appengine] Full Text Search Options

2012-02-10 Thread Barry Hunter
http://www.houndsleuth.com/ is designed as a hosted Search solution
for AppEngine.



On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Jon McMillan  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We're 3 weeks from launching our application and in ~8 weeks IndexTank
> will no longer be accessible.  I've been holding my breath waiting for
> a new torch carrier for IndexTank or for App Engine to get full text
> search.
>
> I've been a 1 man army on this project and App Engine taking most of
> the server stuff off my shoulders has been a blessing.  Can anyone
> recommend a hosted search option that I can use to bridge the gap
> between IndexTank and GAE?  Am I best off launching Lucene/Solr on EC2
> myself?
>
> We're dealing with 20k Word documents.  The text has already been
> extracted and can be sent directly.  The content doesn't change often
> and search can lag for months.  I don't need/want page crawling.
>
> Thanks
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[google-appengine] Full Text Search Options

2012-02-10 Thread Jon McMillan
Hi,

We're 3 weeks from launching our application and in ~8 weeks IndexTank
will no longer be accessible.  I've been holding my breath waiting for
a new torch carrier for IndexTank or for App Engine to get full text
search.

I've been a 1 man army on this project and App Engine taking most of
the server stuff off my shoulders has been a blessing.  Can anyone
recommend a hosted search option that I can use to bridge the gap
between IndexTank and GAE?  Am I best off launching Lucene/Solr on EC2
myself?

We're dealing with 20k Word documents.  The text has already been
extracted and can be sent directly.  The content doesn't change often
and search can lag for months.  I don't need/want page crawling.

Thanks

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[google-appengine] Totally impossible reported usage

2012-02-10 Thread Visibo
Hi

My usage report today suggests that my app has sent 2,147,483,465 (!!)
emails and is way beyond quota for out-sending mails. Clearly, I am
very sure my app has not sent 2,147,483,465 emails and the number is
curiously close to 2 to the power 31 ( = 2,147,483,648). It should
clearly be something wrong on the usage counter (?) but nonetheless
this is affecting all the app's normal operations. Could anyone from
the App Engine team sort this out or shed light on who to contact for
such issue? Thanks a lot.

Sandy
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[google-appengine] Re: Task Queue Quota Errors, but I have enough quota

2012-02-10 Thread John Wheeler
Hi, I switched my tasks from enqueing more tasks to using fan-out with a 
cursor because it is production and I don't have time to experiment. 
Besides, I've been meaning to convert the thing to fan-out for a while now, 
so this happened to be a good time to do it. Sorry I can't help 
troubleshoot it further. 

I'm not sure what caused the problem, but I run my MapReduce job twice a 
day. I only noticed the problem over the last few days, and sometimes it 
would not occur for a job. FYI

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[google-appengine] Re: Task Queue Quota Errors, but I have enough quota

2012-02-10 Thread Mike Wesner
They payloads of the tasks count towards the store bytes quota.  So
that does limit how many you can add to the queue, but that is not the
issue here.

The bucket/token stuff doesnt impact adding to the queue.

from the docs...

"""The task queue uses token buckets to control the rate of task
execution. Each named queue has a token bucket that holds a certain
number of tokens, defined by the bucket_size directive. Each time your
application executes a task, it uses a token. Your app continues
processing tasks in the queue until the queue's bucket runs out of
tokens. App Engine refills the bucket with new tokens continuously
based on the rate that you specified for the queue."""

On Feb 10, 2:52 pm, "Brandon Wirtz"  wrote:
> > The bucket and rates are for controlling execution.  They don't limit
> adding
> > tasks to a queue.
>
> Doesn't the Token bucket?
>
> Also there is a max QueSize in MB you can specify in the YAML.  I don't know
> what the limit is.
>
> My rough understanding was that
>
> Token Rate was how many task/s you could add.
>
> Process rate was how fast tasks would be processed.
>
> Queue Size was number of tasks that could be pending.
>
> Time Out was the time to expire
>
> If your token rate is 5 per S
> And your process is 2 per
> And your Queue size is  5000
> And your time out is 75 minutes
>
> If 18 people wanted to make 10 new tasks in 3 seconds.  The Token bucket
> would empty and only 15 tasks would be created.
>
> If 500 people an hour wanted to create 20 tasks each (1 tasks, 3600
> seconds) yields 2.78 Tasks/s the Token bucket would not go dry. The Process
> bucket would spin up instances enough to process the tasks, and it would try
> to space them out such that it would take 5000 seconds
> But you would lose some of those task because the Task Queue would not have
> only processed all of the tasks before it hit the 5000 task limit (7200-ish
> would complete)
> And because you are limiting tasks to 75 minutes, but it would take 1 hour
> 23 minutes to process the task a portion would get dropped.

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RE: [google-appengine] Re: Task Queue Quota Errors, but I have enough quota

2012-02-10 Thread Brandon Wirtz
> The bucket and rates are for controlling execution.  They don't limit
adding
> tasks to a queue.

Doesn't the Token bucket?

Also there is a max QueSize in MB you can specify in the YAML.  I don't know
what the limit is.


My rough understanding was that

Token Rate was how many task/s you could add.

Process rate was how fast tasks would be processed.

Queue Size was number of tasks that could be pending.

Time Out was the time to expire


If your token rate is 5 per S
And your process is 2 per
And your Queue size is  5000
And your time out is 75 minutes

If 18 people wanted to make 10 new tasks in 3 seconds.  The Token bucket
would empty and only 15 tasks would be created.

If 500 people an hour wanted to create 20 tasks each (1 tasks, 3600
seconds) yields 2.78 Tasks/s the Token bucket would not go dry. The Process
bucket would spin up instances enough to process the tasks, and it would try
to space them out such that it would take 5000 seconds
But you would lose some of those task because the Task Queue would not have
only processed all of the tasks before it hit the 5000 task limit (7200-ish
would complete)
And because you are limiting tasks to 75 minutes, but it would take 1 hour
23 minutes to process the task a portion would get dropped.





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Re: [google-appengine] Email Quota Issue

2012-02-10 Thread PK
Just cleared for me too, but the huge numbers are still there. I am sending 
some of the notification e-mails from tasks too so the issue I see might be 
related to your observation.

The problem has come and gone a few times this week so I will wait a bit 
before I declare victory.

PK

  

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Re: [google-appengine] Email Quota Issue

2012-02-10 Thread Joshua Smith
FYI: The condition has cleared in my app.

Interesting side note: I send all the emails from tasks, so if something goes 
wrong (like this), it retries. Well it turns out that every one of those 
failures is counted as a Recipient Emailed, so my email usage today is far, far 
larger than normal.

Isn't it cool how every time something goes wrong in GAE, they somehow end up 
making more money? Glad I'm a stockholder ;)

-Joshua

On Feb 10, 2012, at 12:24 PM, PK wrote:

> I am glad it is not only my app because I had started wondering if I am doing 
> something wrong 
> 
> This is very serious!!! In the three years I have been using App Engine the 
> severity of this seconds only a stuck indexes issue I faced a couple of years 
> ago. I have 10s of users calling asking what is going on with e-mail. 
> 
> I hope you can see the picture below, the dashboard e-mail quotas has gone 
> crazy...
> 
> Despite Ikai's e-mail the production issue I opened (6899) 36 hours ago is in 
> "needed more info" status. I hope it gets resolved before weekend rolls in PST
> 
> Recipients Emailed100%100 of 100  2,147,483,449   $0.01/ 
> 100 Recipients   $214,748.35
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[google-appengine] Continuing Appstats & other errors

2012-02-10 Thread stevep
I continue to get the following errors all the time. Surely this has
been fixed, and I missed out on something. Help greatly appreciated. -
stevep

Error Log (two errors on nearly every handler function):
Error 1: /appstats/recording.py:404: DeprecationWarning:
get_request_cpu_usage may not always return c
Error: 2: summary.set_processor_mcycles(quota.get_request_cpu_usage())

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Re: [google-appengine] *.proto API files?

2012-02-10 Thread Shawn Lewis
I should be able to get the information I was after from the compiled
python protocol buffers.

But to answer your question, in this case I was wondering what the
behavior is when .setCount isn't called on the NextResult pb in
QueryResultsSourceImpl.java. Of course I could glean the default value
by running code that calls it, but I prefer looking at code. Also,
perhaps the default is set on the other side of the RPC, in which case
I'll never have access.

Not having the proto files feels like a dead end in the java source.
I'm an ex-Googler SWE myself and know that they're often
well-commented and descriptive of the RPC being called, which can be
useful information. Its not a big deal though, if you don't get many
requests to release them, don't bother.

On 2/8/12, Anand Mistry  wrote:
> Are you looking for the .proto definition files used to generate the Python
> code? As far as I know, we haven't open sourced those files. I think that
> up till now, it hasn't been necessary, and no-one (that I can tell) has
> requested them for a few years.
>
> Is there a particular reason why you'd like to see these, or is it out of
> curiosity?
>
>   As I recall, the App Engine implementation differs from the open
>
>> source implementation.  I'm not sure of the specifics of that and have
>> never personally verified that -- its just something I recall from
>> some threads long ago.
>> http://code.google.com/apis/protocolbuffers/
>>
> It's an implementation detail, but yeah, the Python 2.5 runtime uses the
> old proto1, whereas Python 2.7 uses proto2.
>
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

2012-02-10 Thread Andrin von Rechenberg
Thanks.

I know that sometimes the message order is screwed up.
The problem is that if a reply is posted to a question that
the tool hasnt seen so far, it sends the question and the
reply at the same time and the reply arrives before the
question in the google groups. Typical race condition,
but with email :)

I will delay the sending of a reply if the tool hasn't
seen the question before. But I'm off drinking with
the guys now. im already late. Anyways, the problem
will fix itself, once the tool knows all questions, which
will be soonish I hope.

Cheers,
-Andrin

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Andreas  wrote:

> andrin this looks and sounds amazing! thx
>
> On Feb 10, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Andrin von Rechenberg wrote:
>
> Oh one more thing: You are on the bleeding edge if you subscribe. There
> are no unittests.
>
> I'm adding in-reply-to & references headers now.
> However in AppEngine I dont know the Message-ID, so I'm just going to use
> the
> stackoverflow id. Will that help? Does anyone know?
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg  > wrote:
>
>> Hey guys
>>
>> *Short version:*
>> Problem solved, just subscribe to:
>> google-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com
>>  You will receive every new question & answer in your favorite email
>> client.
>>
>> *Long version:*
>> I like stackoverflow when I'm googling, but I prefer gmail in my workflow
>> for being part of the community.
>>
>> So I spent the afternoon hacking a tool together that crawls the rss feeds
>> of StackOverflow every 5 minutes and checks whats new and mails it out.
>>  This could be done for any StackOverflow tag, I built a generic tool:
>> http://stack-over-mail.appspot.com
>>
>> Of course it runs on AppEngine.
>>
>> It's running on free quota, so until someone sponsors it, please dont
>> subscribe to super heavy tags like "java"...
>>
>> I'll open-source the source code soonish.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Andrin
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM, MLTrim wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a Stack Overflow user and I really appreciate this move; thank you
>>> for this.
>>> For the reluctant of this change, fiddle with Stack Overflow for a
>>> couple of weeks and you'll be addicted.
>>> Michele
>>> [Systempuntoout]
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Re: [google-appengine] is multiprocessing or pprocess supported by gae?

2012-02-10 Thread Ricardo Bánffy
If you explain why you need them, maybe someone will be able to help you. I
suspect App Engine doesn't support them, but there are other ways to
accomplish what they do.

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[google-appengine] Re: Task Queue Quota Errors, but I have enough quota

2012-02-10 Thread Mike Wesner
The bucket and rates are for controlling execution.  They don't limit
adding tasks to a queue.

-mike

On Feb 10, 12:47 am, "Brandon Wirtz"  wrote:
> Did you tweak your buck and token rate? I have never tried to see how far I
> could take it.

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[google-appengine] Re: What is the email situation now?

2012-02-10 Thread Tapir

On Feb 10, 6:14 am, Greg  wrote:
> We send a few thousand emails a day, and don't suffer too much spam
> filtering. It does require work though. Make sure...
>
> - Your messages are unlikely to be flagged as spam.
> - You use your own domain name, not *.appspot.com.
> - Set up SPF records
> - Follow up with ISPs that are filtering and get them to stop.
> - Star this 
> issuehttp://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=3161

I use Amazon Route 53, in the AWS Management Console.
When input the text "v=spf1 include:_spf.google.com ~all" to create
TXT record,
AWS Management Console returns the following message:

The record set could not be saved because:
- The Value field contains invalid characters or is in an invalid
format.

>
> Cheers
> Greg.

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[google-appengine] Re: Email Quota Issue

2012-02-10 Thread PK
I am glad it is not only my app because I had started wondering if I am 
doing something wrong 

This is very serious!!! In the three years I have been using App Engine the 
severity of this seconds only a stuck indexes issue I faced a couple of 
years ago. I have 10s of users calling asking what is going on with e-mail. 

I hope you can see the picture below, the dashboard e-mail quotas has gone 
crazy...

Despite Ikai's e-mail the production issue I opened (6899) 36 hours ago is 
in "needed more info" status. I hope it gets resolved before weekend rolls 
in PST

Recipients Emailed
[image: 100%]
100%100 of 1002,147,483,449$0.01/ 100 Recipients$214,748.35

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

2012-02-10 Thread Andreas
andrin this looks and sounds amazing! thx

On Feb 10, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Andrin von Rechenberg wrote:

> Oh one more thing: You are on the bleeding edge if you subscribe. There are 
> no unittests.
> 
> I'm adding in-reply-to & references headers now.
> However in AppEngine I dont know the Message-ID, so I'm just going to use the
> stackoverflow id. Will that help? Does anyone know?
> 
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg  
> wrote:
> Hey guys
> 
> Short version:
> Problem solved, just subscribe to: 
> google-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com
> You will receive every new question & answer in your favorite email client.
> 
> Long version:
> I like stackoverflow when I'm googling, but I prefer gmail in my workflow
> for being part of the community.
> 
> So I spent the afternoon hacking a tool together that crawls the rss feeds
> of StackOverflow every 5 minutes and checks whats new and mails it out.
> This could be done for any StackOverflow tag, I built a generic tool:
> http://stack-over-mail.appspot.com
> 
> Of course it runs on AppEngine.
> 
> It's running on free quota, so until someone sponsors it, please dont
> subscribe to super heavy tags like "java"...
> 
> I'll open-source the source code soonish.
> 
> Cheers,
> -Andrin
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM, MLTrim  wrote:
> I'm a Stack Overflow user and I really appreciate this move; thank you
> for this.
> For the reluctant of this change, fiddle with Stack Overflow for a
> couple of weeks and you'll be addicted.
> Michele
> [Systempuntoout]
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[google-appengine] Email Quota Issue

2012-02-10 Thread Joshua Smith
What's the status?

I filed a production issue yesterday, and I'm still sitting in the red zone at 
100 emails transmitted.

The App Engine Status page, as usual, is completely unaware of this showstopper 
problem. (A more worthless dashboard I've never experienced….)

Last night, "Ikai Lan (Google)"  said:

> We're running a batch job right now to fix the issue. Stay tuned.

How long is this batch job going to take? My users are getting concerned.

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[google-appengine] is multiprocessing or pprocess supported by gae?

2012-02-10 Thread saintthor
i need them.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

2012-02-10 Thread Andrin von Rechenberg
Oh one more thing: You are on the bleeding edge if you subscribe. There are
no unittests.

I'm adding in-reply-to & references headers now.
However in AppEngine I dont know the Message-ID, so I'm just going to use
the
stackoverflow id. Will that help? Does anyone know?

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg
wrote:

> Hey guys
>
> *Short version:*
> Problem solved, just subscribe to:
> google-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com
>  You will receive every new question & answer in your favorite email
> client.
>
> *Long version:*
> I like stackoverflow when I'm googling, but I prefer gmail in my workflow
> for being part of the community.
>
> So I spent the afternoon hacking a tool together that crawls the rss feeds
> of StackOverflow every 5 minutes and checks whats new and mails it out.
>  This could be done for any StackOverflow tag, I built a generic tool:
> http://stack-over-mail.appspot.com
>
> Of course it runs on AppEngine.
>
> It's running on free quota, so until someone sponsors it, please dont
> subscribe to super heavy tags like "java"...
>
> I'll open-source the source code soonish.
>
> Cheers,
> -Andrin
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM, MLTrim wrote:
>
>> I'm a Stack Overflow user and I really appreciate this move; thank you
>> for this.
>> For the reluctant of this change, fiddle with Stack Overflow for a
>> couple of weeks and you'll be addicted.
>> Michele
>> [Systempuntoout]
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

2012-02-10 Thread Andrin von Rechenberg
Hey guys

*Short version:*
Problem solved, just subscribe to:
google-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com
You will receive every new question & answer in your favorite email client.

*Long version:*
I like stackoverflow when I'm googling, but I prefer gmail in my workflow
for being part of the community.

So I spent the afternoon hacking a tool together that crawls the rss feeds
of StackOverflow every 5 minutes and checks whats new and mails it out.
This could be done for any StackOverflow tag, I built a generic tool:
http://stack-over-mail.appspot.com

Of course it runs on AppEngine.

It's running on free quota, so until someone sponsors it, please dont
subscribe to super heavy tags like "java"...

I'll open-source the source code soonish.

Cheers,
-Andrin


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[google-appengine] Reduced email quota for billed application

2012-02-10 Thread Piotr Duda
Hi,

Although I have enabled billing for my application months ago, the
email quota for it has not been raised. This is major issue for the
service I'm running since we notify users about different sorts of
events which occur in the system.  Could anyone from the App Engine
team sort this out ?

Since I don't want to expose my app_id could you please provide me
with a way to report this issue in a more private manner ?



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[google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

2012-02-10 Thread MLTrim
I'm a Stack Overflow user and I really appreciate this move; thank you
for this.
For the reluctant of this change, fiddle with Stack Overflow for a
couple of weeks and you'll be addicted.
Michele
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: [JDO] Getting an Object by Key will count as "Small Datastore Operations "

2012-02-10 Thread Brian Quinlan
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM, poke  wrote:
> thanks .
> finally pm.getObjectById() is  Entity Get ?

Yes, you are loading the contents of a datastore entity.

Cheers,
Brian

>
> On Feb 10, 4:05 pm, Brian Quinlan  wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, poke  wrote:
>> > Few days ago , i change my code to access by key (not by query) . But
>> > in Billing report  "Small Datastore Operations " still equal zero and
>> > "Datastore Reads " same as using query - billing not go to down.
>>
>> > JDO pm.getObjectById() method still count as Datastore Reads
>>
>> Gets still cost a read operation. 
>> See:http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html
>>
>> Entity Get (per entity): 1 Read
>> Query: 1 Read + 1 Read per entity returned
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Brian
>>
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[google-appengine] Re: [JDO] Getting an Object by Key will count as "Small Datastore Operations "

2012-02-10 Thread poke
thanks .
finally pm.getObjectById() is  Entity Get ?

On Feb 10, 4:05 pm, Brian Quinlan  wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, poke  wrote:
> > Few days ago , i change my code to access by key (not by query) . But
> > in Billing report  "Small Datastore Operations " still equal zero and
> > "Datastore Reads " same as using query - billing not go to down.
>
> > JDO pm.getObjectById() method still count as Datastore Reads
>
> Gets still cost a read operation. 
> See:http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html
>
> Entity Get (per entity): 1 Read
> Query: 1 Read + 1 Read per entity returned
>
> Cheers,
> Brian
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow

2012-02-10 Thread Daniel Florey
Am I the only one using the new Groups interface??
Right now everything is perfect for me as I can see at first sight how many 
new topics have been discussed in all my ~20 Google related groups.
Is there a similar view in SO? 

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Re: [google-appengine] [JDO] Getting an Object by Key will count as "Small Datastore Operations "

2012-02-10 Thread Brian Quinlan
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, poke  wrote:
> Few days ago , i change my code to access by key (not by query) . But
> in Billing report  "Small Datastore Operations " still equal zero and
> "Datastore Reads " same as using query - billing not go to down.
>
> JDO pm.getObjectById() method still count as Datastore Reads

Gets still cost a read operation. See:
http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html

Entity Get (per entity): 1 Read
Query: 1 Read + 1 Read per entity returned

Cheers,
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[google-appengine] [JDO] Getting an Object by Key will count as "Small Datastore Operations "

2012-02-10 Thread poke
Few days ago , i change my code to access by key (not by query) . But
in Billing report  "Small Datastore Operations " still equal zero and
"Datastore Reads " same as using query - billing not go to down.

JDO pm.getObjectById() method still count as Datastore Reads

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