[google-appengine] Re: جديد ا قوى البرامج لاخذ نسخة احتي اطيهAcronis True Image Home 2010 13 Build 60 29.
I 3 that the spammers are using bit.ly. Web 2.0 baby! w00t! ∞ Andy Badera ∞ +1 518-641-1280 Google Voice ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private ∞ Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew%20badera 2009/11/10 hakoure nick.john...@google.com: برنامج يقوم بعمل نسخة كاملة لجهازك نظام التشغيل الملفات البرامج والتطبيقات كاملة .. يمكنك استعادتها عند الحاجه لها في ثواني .. Down --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[appengine-java] Re: Role: Sr. Oracle PL/SQL Developer - Direct Client Requirement
And, ban this repeat offender Suren already. ∞ Andy Badera ∞ +1 518-641-1280 ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private ∞ Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew%20badera On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Peter Ondruska peter.ondru...@gmail.com wrote: Please, would you turn on moderation for new posts. More and more spam is coming, it is really getting annoying. Thanks On Oct 20, 7:53 pm, Suren recruiter.suren...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is Surendra with Infowave Systems and presently we have an Immediate Requirement and Let me know if you are interested in the Below Position. Role: Sr. Oracle PL/SQL Developer Location: Holyoke, MA Duration: 6-12 Months NOTE: Prefer MASTER’S in US Job Description • Senior Level Knowledge of Oracle RDBMS concepts and implementation • Excellent PL/SQL knowledge. At least 6 years experience developing complex applications using Oracle PL/SQL • Must have 9-10years of experience. • Perl knowledge, general scripting knowledge. • Familiar with responsibilities and problems inherent in parallel, simultaneous development. This includes implementing changes to existing applications within a well-defined scope and adhering to change management controls. • Experience with code management system (CVS a plus) • Good English communications skills, both written and verbal. Ability to work well with others within a project team. If you are interested please fill the below Details: First Name: Last Name: Current Location: Availability: Best Number to reach: Work Authorization: Year of Graduation and Name of the university: Highest Qualification and Name of the university: Employer Detail’s (if H1b): 2 Client Reference's: --- Thanks Regards Surendra Sr. Technical Recruiter Infowave Systems Inc, Direct: 860-760-7634 Company: 860 760 7600 Fax: 860-760-7640 surendra.gu...@infowavesystems.com Visit us @www.infowavesystems.com Please consider the environment and do not print this email unless absolutely necessary. Save Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-java@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: C#?
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Brandon N. Wirtzdrak...@digerat.com wrote: ROFLMAO Not a Google Guy, but as an Ex-Microsoftie, Cloud and .NET are a ways away, certainly on non-MSFT platforms. I've seen .NET and Mono research that says otherwise ;) ∞ Andy Badera ∞ +1 518-641-1280 ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private ∞ Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=(andrew+badera)+OR+(andy+badera) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: C#?
Who said GAE? You said cloud. And Mono was only half the reply :) I've seen two different .NET efforts that provide very similar PaaS functionality, scale and experience to GAE. ∞ Andy Badera ∞ +1 518-641-1280 ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private ∞ Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=(andrew+badera)+OR+(andy+badera) On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Brandon N. Wirtzdrak...@digerat.com wrote: Mono is a great platform, But Novell is losing interest in it, and it's not popular with MSFT, if it made the move to GAE, you could expect it to go from unpopular, to UnFriendly. -Original Message- From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Badera Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:09 PM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: [google-appengine] Re: C#? On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Brandon N. Wirtzdrak...@digerat.com wrote: ROFLMAO Not a Google Guy, but as an Ex-Microsoftie, Cloud and .NET are a ways away, certainly on non-MSFT platforms. I've seen .NET and Mono research that says otherwise ;) ∞ Andy Badera ∞ +1 518-641-1280 ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private ∞ Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=(andrew+badera)+OR+(andy+badera) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] [off-topic] GAE got it right, but Wave?
GAE went live to cheers from happy developers who could quickly tinker away at the new technology. Wave has certainly been hyped, but all the early enthusiasts seem to be angry/frustrated/resigned at this point due to lack of developer accounts and/or communication from the Wave team. How did GAE get it so right and Wave get it so wrong? Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Need input: developers and Azure VS GAE
Actually Azure team announced commercial availability and pricing yesterday. I don't believe production software, or any storage, will have a free quota any longer: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsazure/archive/2009/07/14/confirming-commercial-availability-and-announcing-business-model.aspx# Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Adam adam.crossl...@gmail.com wrote: And the second part of your question: Azure vs. GAE. I'm not aware of any formal white papers that exist on this subject; although, I'll wager cash money that Microsoft has a couple in the pipeline somewhere. I work with both. I earn my salary being a happy trilobite in the Microsoft ecosystem, so I have the C# and ASP.NET skills to take good advantage of Azure. I'm also a hopeless Google fanatic, and I got on-board with GAE on day one. My analysis: Azure and AppEngine are more like each other than any of the other cloud computing platforms, such as Amazon's EC2. They both give you a new programming model -- a sandbox -- to work in that encourages you to architect your applications in a way that allows them to take advantage of the instant, no-effort, on-demand scaling that is the real, compelling advantage of the Cloud. They both give applications fairly generous free quotas that give the developer and extremely-low cost-of-entry, enabling him of her to build and deploy an application without up-front and.or monthly cash outlays. If you are lucky/smart your application can be generating enough revenue to more than cover its costs before you have to start paying for resources. The main decision point between the two platforms comes down to the technology that you want to use to build your web application. Do you have access to C# and ASP.NET skills? Azure is a good choice. Do you have a Python/Java open source guru handy? AppEngine is a winner. A secondary decision point might be your choice of development platform. The Azure SDK will install and run on Vista or Windows Server 2008, and you will need a Visual Studio 2008 license. On the other hand, you can build AppEngine applications on Windows (XP, Vista, 7, etc), MacOS or Linux. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Wanted: GAE/Python rockstar
Is there a story, here, or just a random outburst? I've certainly been shopped on this list previously, had my time wasted and my expertise stolen by the likes of Twittertise its 'creator' ... but you don't see me attacking everyone coming here looking for a developer. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 4:13 PM, RockstarDev craig...@gmail.com wrote: It's pieces of sh*t like you who give this industry a bad name. All you want is a mule to abuse. Go away and find another industry to rape c*ck gobbler!! Shoo!! On Jul 15, 1:35 pm, mytemp mytempjunkm...@gmail.com wrote: Looking for rockstar Python developers that are fast and can take an idea (with some detail) to something working very quickly, even better if they know how to make it pretty and do front-end work to so I don't need a designer right off the bat. Prefer experience with merchant account integration as well as web services APIs (google, twitter, FB, youtube)... even better if you are in the SF bay area so we can meet in person, but that's not a requirement. Do want someone that just get's it and doesn't need a lot of hand holding to make good decisions. Please send me your hourly compensation requirements and sample work (not just web site, but what you did, info on how long it took, etc). Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Need input: developers and Azure VS GAE
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Adam adam.crossl...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 15, 2:08 pm, mytemp mytempjunkm...@gmail.com wrote: So, if I had access to a rockstar Python/GAE person (or two)... at a reasonable price, I think I'd just go GAE. Anyone? I definitely agree with this. All other things being equal, I'd say the AppEngine is the better deal. From my experience here in the Boston area, a talented Python programmer can be had at a lower rate than a similar .NET consultant. Of course, the number of Python consultants who also know AppEngine very well is going to be quite small. Again ... have to dispute some stats here. Python programmers, according to many national surveys, earn just about the highest freelance wages out there -- more than Java or .NET by about $10/hour or more. And I'm a strong C#/ ASP.NET guy myself -- .NET butters my bread -- but Python, in a market where Python is being used for a business purpose, pays better than .NET. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: HIPAA requirements vs. AppEngine security guidelines
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:11 PM, GenghisOnemdkach...@gmail.com wrote: Andy Thanks for the heads-up... The link to that paper is here and it makes for a good read... http://awsmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/AWS_HIPAA_Whitepaper_Final.pdf Thanks for the link. Bookmarked it this time. --ab --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: HIPAA requirements vs. AppEngine security guidelines
There's a whitepaper by Amazon on the topic. Google it, it's been a few months since I looked at it, don't have a link offhand, sorry. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:17 PM, GenghisOnemdkach...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know if Amazon's EC2 platform is HIPAA-compliant? On Jul 6, 12:44 pm, richard emberson richard.ember...@gmail.com wrote: Not going to happen. The IT requirements for Google would cost far more than the couple of applications that might need HIPAA. They would have to have a completely separate group with their own machines, passwords, procedures, etc. with a real wall (both material wall and software/hardware wall) between the group and the rest of Google or all of Google would have to be HIPAA compliant. So, how much is it worth for Google? Not much. RME Ken wrote: Hi, I'm researching the feasibility of running a healthcare app on the AppEngine cloud. I've read through the AE terms of service and they don't say much about the actual security guidelines other than deferring to the boilerplate Google security policy. I have no doubt there are internal documents detailing the exact security guarantees provided by Google's infrastructure, but that information is not readily available to the public. It's been a full year since the last time HIPAA was discussed in this group. Now that SSL support has been enabled, data transfer constraints can be met with ease. So, what's the story today with GAE and HIPAA compliance? Are the App Engine's data storage and transfer mechanisms compatible with the guidelines set out by HIPAA? Google Apps documentation has quite a bit more security information, such as specifying annual SAS 70 Type II audits. I'm not familiar with this particular security audit, but some quick research seems to indicate that SAS 70 audit controls are mostly a superset of HIPAA guidelines. However, there are some aspects of HIPAA compliance that seem to be difficult to implement in a distributed database system, so any reassurances from the Google App Engine folks in this regard would be most appreciated. Thanks! Ken -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Determine IP or Country of request..?
You can use all the javascript you'd like to target window.parent and harvest the typical analytical info that's available client-side, and to generate requests against a server-side resource. As far as geolocating, there are services available that offer approximation, but not guarantees. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:51 PM, astrid.thuec...@googlemail.com astrid.thuec...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, We offer HTML content generated with a appengine. People can embed these via iframes in their website and visitors of their website see them. My questions is, can I get information about: 1. the people embedding our iframes 2. the visitors watching websites where our iframes are embedded Perhaps we could get something like a referer for the website that embeds the iframe? Thanks, Astrid. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: best way to query geographical regions?
How does geohash help one query a bounded box? Geohash is a single point. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Jim jeb62...@gmail.com wrote: Have you looked at the geohash approach? http://geohash.org/site/tips.html http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Geohash/1.0rc1 On May 1, 7:40 pm, Matt mmm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm building a simple mapping app that needs to be able to query for all points inside a box of points. I noticed the mutiny library which has a technique for achieving this, but it occurred to me to ask if there is perhaps a way to do it more simply using GeoPtProperty properties. The mutiny approach is linked below: http://code.google.com/p/mutiny/source/browse/trunk/geobox.py Any advice on this would be much appreciated. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Working with an ms access (or it's OpenOffice alternative) files?
Also, consider GData, and the Google Charts API, if you can avoid the desktop clients ... Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera Sent from Albany, New York, United States On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 9:52 AM, deostroll deostr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is there any way I can work with microsoft access files from within the dev_appserver engine? What would I need to make ms access work? If there is an OpenOffice alternative to ms access, what program is that I should be using? I am mainly going to be working with the python framework. So how should I start the java runtimes required to open any OpenOffice docs? --deostroll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Oracle buying SUN (and thus owning Java) - Impact on google App Engine - Java Edition
Since Java has already been released, fully, as open source, where does your concern come from exactly? Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera Sent from Albany, NY, United States On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:29 AM, LostInFrameworks ssena...@gmail.comwrote: Folks, Do you guys think Oracle could be factor in Java and thus could affect Google via Google App Engine ( Java edition). As developers should we start looking into alternate language to Java (.e.g.:- Python) for development. I would like to know your thoughts specific to Google App Engine Java edition. Are you guys thinking to switching to python from java and not concerned and hope that java will remain free and open. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Any way to download back the web applications on google apps?
FWIW, Java binaries can be fairly easily disassembled/decompiled ... On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Prashant Gupta nextprash...@gmail.comwrote: if you are talking about java version, no ! because google compiles all your jsps and servlets before uploading and ofcourse doesn't upload you source code... even if you somehow download it back, i think it won't be useful for you anymore --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Any way to download back the web applications on google apps?
Of course not, but you knew that before you asked. It's better than having nothing at all however, if you've otherwise lost your source. 2009/4/14 Prashant Gupta nextprash...@gmail.com ok, will disassembled/decompiled code have all variable/member names exact same as in original source?? On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:54 PM, 风笑雪 kea...@gmail.com wrote: For Python, you can see this project: http://code.google.com/p/appfilesbrowser/ 2009/4/14 Aaron shyhockey...@gmail.com Question is in the subject. I want to know if their is any way I can download the web app in my case a website so I can back it up. Just asking because I need a backup of the website. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Any way to download back the web applications on google apps?
Assemblers/compilers don't (generally ... maybe as a rule?) retain any unnecessary information, in the spirit of keeping the binary small. Therefore disassembly can't provide original names without outside information. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Prashant Gupta nextprash...@gmail.comwrote: no, i didn't really know that. i was just guessing that it won't give original names, i just wanted to confirm. Now, i surely know ! :) thanks... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Any way to download back the web applications on google apps?
Also, you never, ever hardcode a password. Eventually, hackers will find/extract/replicate it. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Prashant Gupta nextprash...@gmail.comwrote: is there any way/trick to make code secure, like, suppose i want to put i a secret password, say a website's authentication, in my code, now anyone can read my code using a disassembler ! is there any way to avoid/hide that..? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Will Google support a relational database in the future?
It might not make sence but it certainly makes sense when you're living in a world full of RDBMS, and want to make the barrier to entry as low as possible. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera Sent from Albany, NY, United States On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Barry Hunter barrybhun...@googlemail.comwrote: similar, but it wouldnt make sence to have two database backends. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Will Google support a relational database in the future?
Right, but that doesn't address the ignorant masses, clamoring for their Google cloud. There are plenty of ways to solve any problem ... but the issue of barrier to entry is not one that is solved by higher level thinking :) On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Dan Sanderson dansander...@google.comwrote: Some of the same problems can be solved in different ways. For instance, aggregate data can often be calculated at write time, obviating the need for an expensive aggregate runtime query involving millions of records and hundreds of machines. The tricky bit is implementing the different solutions using compatible APIs, which isn't always possible. -- Dan On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Marcel Overdijk marceloverd...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe for performance the datastore as it is now is best. But when working with data (e.g. aggregate functions like sum, avg etc.) a relational database has also advantages. On 8 apr, 19:58, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: It might not make sence but it certainly makes sense when you're living in a world full of RDBMS, and want to make the barrier to entry as low as possible. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera Sent from Albany, NY, United States On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Barry Hunter barrybhun...@googlemail.comwrote: similar, but it wouldnt make sence to have two database backends.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: New Blog About GAE
Swet. A blog. Wow, that's unique and different. Sure glad we're all now aware of YOUR blog. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:23 PM, pfisk peter.f...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have started a new Blog discussing a new Website that will be deployed in April. The site uses GXT for the user interface, Google's Application Engine for the server and Scheme running in the browser as it's scripting language. The blog will describe the development and deployment of the site. http://wisperweb.wordpress.com/ Cheers, -- Peter Fisk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Is there a way to get the Clients screen size with Appengine?
www.google.com buddy. this is old school easy stuff. don't be lazy. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:53 PM, jago java.j...@gmail.com wrote: I am a total Javascript agnostic. I guess you do not have some example Python/Javascript code? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: A question for Jaiku's developers, if they're watching..
use a URL monitoring service to ping your URLs every n minutes ... On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:40 AM, thuan nunob...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that quite surprisingly, time.sleep() works. There is a 10 second execution limit for all requests. This includes requesting and submitting data to external services. Long polling would not be that easy to sustain. I'm still looking for a way to circumvent this limitation, if anybody has an idea... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Writing to the file system?
I'm sure this has never come up before ... certainly not recently ... On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Ronn Ross ronn.r...@gmail.com wrote: Can you write to the file system with app engine? My app requires people to upload text documents. Thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Chartle.net - application based on Google App Engine
Agreed. Looks good, appears to operate smoothly. Nice app! On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Matthew Page-Lieberman mateus.just...@gmail.com wrote: I liked it a lot too. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Amr Ellafi amrl...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats I liked it very much. user-friendly as well. if this is a one man show, then you are talented ! On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Dieter Krachtus dieter.krach...@googlemail.com wrote: I created a webapp to create charts, plots and maps using the Google Chart API and the Google Visualization API. The webapp is hosted using Google Appengine. I would like to get your feedback. http://www.chartle.net Cheers, Dieter -- M. Page-Lieberman mateus.just...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: A question for Jaiku's developers, if they're watching..
Wouldn't a Comet mechanism be fairly expensive, implemented on GAE? On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:59 AM, thuan nunob...@gmail.com wrote: I know the topic is more about microblogging services than xmpp, but by chance, have somebody achieved to install some comet/ajax push applications? The technique might be used to speed up message display for popular conversations as it is used for the chat function in google mail. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: A question for Jaiku's developers, if they're watching..
you'd have to wonder if there's a push out to Gnip somewhere ... or if
protocol buffers are involved ..
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, peterk peter.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
I just read on your blog (from January) the intention to release the
appengine port of Jaiku as open source when the port is finished..but
I was wondering if I could be so cheeky as to jump ahead with a couple
of questions about it. The requirements of Jaiku seem to line up
roughly similarly with issues I'm having in a slightly different
context, that I'm finding pretty challenging to implement efficiently
on app engine.
With your service, you seem to track updates for friends and other
people I follow..so I might have a long list of people I'm following,
and you feed me their updates.
How do you implement this on GAE?
I've been toying with a very similar problem for some time now. It
seems to me you cannot chain together queries such as
me.friends.updates.order(..) to get your friends' latest updates, for
example. You can't make n writes to n update queues for n people
following you, since writes are so costly. If I store my friends in a
list of keys, this limits the number of friends I can query at a given
time to 30. e.g. updates.all().filter('user IN', me.friends) is
limited to 30 subqueries. I may have many more friends, so this
approach doesn't seem to be sufficient.
I've been scratching my head over a similar problem for some time now,
coming up with various hairbrained schemes that have been overly-
complex, none of which deliver scalability to the nth degree. So I'd
really, really, really appreciate any insight you could provide in
implementing this kind of data model on GAE!! Many thanks!
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[google-appengine] Re: cooperate with top Google Apps Engine developer
*chuckle* So wait, you lack capability, but rather than be forthcoming about your needs, you wish to screen the people volunteering to help you? Sounds like yet another pseudo-entrepreneur who wants to take advantage of techies. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Alex Rad alexra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Linbo! The questions that it will answer is Where it is and what it is using Google map, reader and google finance. Drop me a few lines about your expereince and I will send out a full description as soon I have read through all the people who has shown their interest. Regards Alex 2009/3/5 lianbo waveconnex...@gmail.com Hi, Alex, What app are you trying to develop? -lb On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:47 PM, AlexR alexra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I am not a very good developer, therefore I am looking for some one who can join me to develop an apps. So anyone who enjoy working in team, why not send me an email --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: cooperate with top Google Apps Engine developer
You're asking people to volunteer their help, but rather than give them details of what you're expecting them to do, you want them to submit THEIR information, so you can screen them? A bit presumptuous, don't you think? Not to mention bass-ackwards. PS No interest in being on your team, but thanks for the thought! ;) On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Alex Rad alexra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andrew... Well there you are wrong... a team discuss and get togehter something that every team member is happy with it I am not here to say This What I WANT HELP ME TO DO IT!!.. By the way with your point of view I dont like you to be in the team!.. 2009/3/5 Andrew Badera and...@badera.us *chuckle* So wait, you lack capability, but rather than be forthcoming about your needs, you wish to screen the people volunteering to help you? Sounds like yet another pseudo-entrepreneur who wants to take advantage of techies. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Alex Rad alexra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Linbo! The questions that it will answer is Where it is and what it is using Google map, reader and google finance. Drop me a few lines about your expereince and I will send out a full description as soon I have read through all the people who has shown their interest. Regards Alex 2009/3/5 lianbo waveconnex...@gmail.com Hi, Alex, What app are you trying to develop? -lb On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:47 PM, AlexR alexra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I am not a very good developer, therefore I am looking for some one who can join me to develop an apps. So anyone who enjoy working in team, why not send me an email --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: I got a problem with Appengine + Flex-HttpService
use a network sniffer or transparent proxy to figure out what the differences are, and address them. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Legend Zhang 52openplatf...@gmail.com wrote: I can not access Appengine from flex using httpservice when I use IE6, using get and post. Did someone have this problem too? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: accepting user url link as input and making it a clickable link
regular expressions. On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:12 PM, thebrianschott schott.br...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an easy way to recognize a part of a user's input as a url and make it into a clickable link for other users to click on in a log application? I am using python and django. Thank you, Brian in Atlanta --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: How about DOS attack?
It's not a denial of service -- ideally the GAE cloud should scale up, regardless of request volume. It IS, however, an economic denial of sustainability, or EDoS. Different issue, and one GAE has yet to address. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:48 PM, coolmenu coolm...@gmail.com wrote: If someone use DOS attack my app, how about i can do? could i have to pay lots of money for billing? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: difference between GAE and regular web hosting
Unlimited hosting is NEVER truly unlimited hosting. Read the fine print. Get one good wave of traffic and you're either offline, or facing a huge bandwidth bill, despite having an unlimited quota on transfer. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - (518) 641-1280 - Tech Valley Code Camp 2009.1: http://www.techvalleycodecamp.com/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 5:22 PM, sungpily sungp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Probably this question has already been asked before. What is the difference between GAE and other regular web hosting service? With other hosting service, I can use Django, develop web application, they give unlimited storage, unlimited bandwidth and I get these for under $10 per month. So what is the benefit for using GAE? Thanks a lot in advance. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Monitoring HTTP traffic from app engine
Wireshark, netmon, Fiddler ... On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Alexander Konovalenko alex...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 01:47, Ryan W rwilli...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody have a good method for capturing HTTP traffic between app engine (urlfetch) and the connections it makes, such as for API/Web Service requests? I've been trying to set up the Charles debugging proxy, but haven't been able to capture the traffic so far. I'm familiar with the logging feature of app engine and have been using that, but ideally would like a more seamless way to capture the data. Where are the endpoints of the connection you are trying to debug? Is it originating from the dev appserver on your machine or from the production urlfetch service? Does the request go to a third-party web server or to one of your own servers? If you control one of the endpoints, you could use a packet sniffer such as Wireshark. I am not familiar with Charles but it looks like it should do the work, too. So it might be a configuration problem. Rereading the docs and making sure you understand how to make the requests go through the proxy might help. If it doesn't, the right place to ask for help is a Charles-specific help forum or their technical support. If you control neither of the connection endpoints, there is usually no way to see the live traffic. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Please define guessability
Avoid sequential keys, use something like a GUID or UUID, nonce values, etc. etc. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - (518) 641-1280 - Tech Valley Code Camp 2009.1: http://www.techvalleycodecamp.com/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, warreninaustintexas warreninaus...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using entity keys in the URL of my app. According to the App Engine documentation: While string-encoded key values are safe to include in URLs, an application should only do so if key guessability is not an issue. http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/datastore/keyclass.html#Key How exactly do I know if guessability is an issue with my app? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Login for Remote service hosted in Google App Engine
HTTP Basic Auth ... WSSE username token ... Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - (518) 641-1280 - Tech Valley Code Camp 2009.1: http://www.techvalleycodecamp.com/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Arun Shanker Prasad arunshankerpra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, First let me explain my situation, 1. I have an application hosted on GAE. 2. I hosted another application, which is sort of a web service implementation. This will be called from across many applications. I need my first application to communicate with the second app (i.e the web service), I made this working by using the URLFETCH API. The problem is the login in the web service part, I tried sending the ACSID cookie along with the URLFETCH request. Is there anyway to get the logged in user through the web service, I know, we can send the details through the payload in URLFETCH, but I was looking for a more secure method. I can use the ClientLogin to get the user to login again, but from a UI point of view that does not seem good. Any help or suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks, Arun Shanker Prasad. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: IBM DB2 and App Engine
Any exposed DB should be encapsulated in a secured service layer anyhoo -- you DO NOT expose your database to the 'net, naked raw, if you have any idea of what's good for you. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - (518) 641-1280 - Tech Valley Code Camp 2009.1: http://www.techvalleycodecamp.com/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Adrian Scott . com goo...@adrianscott.comwrote: Hi! Sounds like you need some connection to your existing DB2 database on your own servers. I would expect you would need to make the connection from your google app engine web application through HTTP w/ SSL. So you could do it that way, but probably not over the standard DB2 networking, at least for the near future. Hope this helps! -Adrian http://www.adrianscott.com/ On Feb 12, 4:54 pm, isc_jcjl isc.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, My company is search for new technology solutions, and now we focuses on Google App Engine, my Question: Does Google Apps support DB2 connections? Is very important for us, because, we need extract some data parts from our database (DB2). Thanks All --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Custom Login System
Typically, or at least in my experience, salting is md5/sha1/whatever(password+salt) rather than md5(md5(password)+salt) ... Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - (518) 641-1280 - Tech Valley Code Camp 2009.1: http://www.techvalleycodecamp.com/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Greg g.fawc...@gmail.com wrote: First, if you are not a security expert, consider using Django's authentication framework. Online security is not easy - there are a lot of things you have to get right, and missing just one of them means you've failed. I have a reasonable amount of experience with online security, so I built my own authentication system on top of gmemsess, a memchache- backed session object. Unfortunately my code isn't modular enough to publish, but here are a few pointers... - SSL is always good, because it means anyone with access to your comms can't easily see what you are doing. However, it isn't crucial, as long as your customers can live with the unlikely event of someone sniffing their traffic - a good authentication scheme will prevent attackers sniffing passwords, although everything they do after logging in may be visible. - Cookies are far more convenient than trying to pass a session ID with every request. Your cookie should contain a single random ID, which your app then uses to find the session object in memcache. That way the contents of the cookie are no use to anyone, all useful info is stored in memcache, where attackers can't get it. - Store a hash of the password on appengine, not the password itself. This means admin cannot steal passwords, as well as allowing for safe transport of the password. - Javascript on your login form should first hash the password, then hash the result with a salt - say the session id. The extra salted hash prevents a sniffer from simply sending the hash to login, and also guards against using rainbow tables to discover the password. Make sure you destroy the field containing the original password, so it isn't sent in clear along with the hash! - On appengine, hash the stored password hash with the salt and compare with the sent hash - they should be the same. - I usually disable the account if I get three wrong passwords, to prevent dictionary attacks. This requires some admin work to handle users who've been locked out, but means you don't need to implement captchas. - Authentication is only the first step - you need to keep security at the top of your agenda throughout the whole application. For instance, if you have a url like fox.delete?id=123 that deletes a user's fox, always check that 123 actually belongs to this user. Otherwise users could delete other user's foxes by retyping the url. gmemsess is at http://code.google.com/p/gmemsess/ Cheers! Greg. On Jan 24, 8:42 am, MajorProgamming sefira...@gmail.com wrote: I am currently working on a App that requires that I use a custom sign in method. I was wondering if there are any security flaws I should be aware of... Also: I was wondering if I must use SSL for proper security? Is the best way to maintain sessions through using cookies? Do I have to perform some sort of check on the cookie even though I'm using SSL? If so should I maybe use a separate hash cookie? Is directly writing cookies to the set-cookie header and retrieving them by parsing the cookie header, okay? Or is there a security flaw I should be aware of? Thanks for all your help! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Very urgent
I'd be curious to see what you come up with, I've been wanting to implement a similar low-level service framework myself. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - (518) 641-1280 - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Kajikawa Jeremy belxjan...@gmail.comwrote: Actually I have a similar requirement and found that instead of worrying about doing anything in the webapp beyond the single resource its easiest to reply with direct HTML as a raw result without putting any real HTML into the tags since the WSGI runs directly similar to a CGI with stdin and stdout being the socket connection made. Im experimenting with skipping WSGI and using raw incoming and raw response processing using an own XML setup as well. I can tell you how I get on if you like? Jeremy On Sat, 2009-01-10 at 03:17 -0800, arnie wrote: Hi Dan, Thanks a lot for a quick clarifying reply. I am googling continuously to find the solution. One of the solution that I found is at the below given link http://www.ioncannon.net/web-services/180/soap-on-the-google-app-engine-platform/ I goes through this tutorial but got stuck at python wsdl2py SimpleEcho.wsdl. How to run this command?. I have downloaded the ZSI-2.1-a1.tar.gz Actually my web service consumer is an IPhone application. In my previous project on iphone that consumes a .net web service, I have noticed that we have to make the web service REST enabled so that the iphone can consume it. Also, if the python web service can be an xml web service then it will be helpful. Can you tell me that without using ZSI library, I can create an xml web service for google app engine using python? For a given table [Python class] class Person(db.Model): FirstName = db.StringProperty() LastName = db.StringProperty() Address = db.StringProperty() What code, I will have to write in the request handler for getting an xml result [a collection of Person class objects]? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Whaddya mean Verify my account? Again?!
That's the facts of beta life man. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - (518) 641-1280 - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Faber Fedor faberfe...@gmail.com wrote: Why can't I get my account at my client (NOT my personal account) verified? At their site, I am lead architect and developer. They pay for Google Apps and Domains. Does Google expect me to have a phone for every client I want to bring to them? Mixing my personal account with those of my clients' (plural!) is not a Good Thing. On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Alexander Konovalenko alex...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2009, Faber Fedor faberfe...@gmail.com wrote: IIUC, I'm screwed. :-) I used my cell number for my personal AppEngine account. So how do I get verified for my client's account when my SMS number has already been used? Or do I have to have them create the app? Perhaps you can create the app using your personal account, invite your client's account to the app and after logging in under your client's account remove your personal account from the list of developers. I'm not sure if this will work as intended though. Please let me (and the group) know if this solves your problem. -- Alexander -- Faber Fedor Cloud Computing New Jersey http://cloudcomputingnj.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: why java
If there are any computer books within reach in your mom's basement, perhaps you should consider reading them. And maybe do work on a real project or two or three ... On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Xavier Mathews xavieruni...@gmail.comwrote: Well not many people developers etc use that form of java anymore kinda like c++ On 12/31/2008, Rodrigo Moraes rodrigo.mor...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Xavier Mathews wrote: There Are So many Javas Out there to learn that its really up to the user! Python is not really used anymore. But its nice to still know it! What do you mean by Python is not really used anymore? -- rodrigo -- Xavier A. Mathews Student/Browser Specialist/Developer/Web-Master Client Based Tech Support Specialist Hazel Crest Illinois xavieruni...@gmail.com¥xavierunited@hotmail.com¥truestar...@yahoo.com Fear of a name, only increases fear of the thing itself. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Authorization Tools for App Engine Developers
Is this list really supposed to serve to advertise commercial products? Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - (518) 641-1280 - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:55 PM, edwardgsanc...@gmail.com edwardgsanc...@gmail.com wrote: We at Cumulo Software are announcing our authorization tools for App Engine. Cumulo Authorize supplies flexible and powerful authorization capabilities for App Engine applications. You can easily secure any web resource with Cumulo Authorize. We supply both server side and client side tools. It's a drop in solution, and will work with any App Engine application. We use Cumulo Authorize to secure our own applications. Cumulo Software is at http://www.cumulosoftware.com Ed --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Googe App Engine and Friend Connect...
You might benefit from checking out Microsoft's Provider Models in .NET. They address exactly this sort of abstraction. For this, you want the role and/or membership providers. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - (518) 641-1280 - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:18 PM, bvelasquez bvelasq...@gmail.com wrote: I see your point. Up until now, I've been relying on Google Account Login, but this is the limiting factor. I should provide my own mechanism and then link to the various providers. Much more flexible. Too bad there isn't a python library to open all this up in GAE, abstracting the authentication piece in a reusable way. Anyone know if this exists? Barry On Dec 16, 3:57 am, conman constantin.christm...@googlemail.com wrote: I amnot quite sure if I unserstand your question but I guess you need to manage your own User Login status which can be triggered by either Google Account Login or by FriendConnect or Facebook Connect or OpenId etc... That way a user would have the possibility to log in via different auth providers and different accounts but link this different logins to one user profile in your application. Hope that helps. On 16 Dez., 03:00, bvelasquez bvelasq...@gmail.com wrote: I added Google's Friend Connect to my GAE application. Now, there are two sign in steps on my site. One to authenticate using GAE users and the other for Friend Connect. This is not desirable and I was wondering if anyone knew of the method for integrating the two so there is only one sign-in. I should be able to pass the Google Authentication through Friend Connect to the GAE application. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: How To Communicate Between App Engines
Then of course single use needs to be explored further ... what if I have one master app that calls out to 9 subsidiary services that can/are also be used for other purposes? They're all independent apps, and could/do run on their own, but you could certainly look at that architecture as an effort to circumvent the given interpretation of ToS. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Dan Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I agree the current terms are a little vague for this case. When we launch billing, we'll have an updated version of the policy that discusses this case more concretely. In short, any strategy that applies multiple allocations of the free quotas toward a single use (multiple apps acting as a single application) would be against the terms of service. Remember that if you need additional quota during the free preview period, you can request a temporary increase: http://code.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=AppEngineContact -- Dan On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Peter Recore [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The TOS does seem to be a bit vague. If I design my app as a collection of disjoint web services, and decide to implement each web service in a different app, is that subverting the quota system? Let's say I was writing a facebook clone. I might have an image processing service, a 'profile editing' service, and a feed publishing service. If my client side code makes calls to all three of these services, does that mean i've subverted the quota system? On Nov 30, 4:49 am, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when did resource quotas == security mechanisms? Apples and oranges, but if they ARE considered the same by Google, then the ToS needs to be cleaerer. If I can use 10 * x, what difference does it make if I do the same thing ten times over? Apples and oranges. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 -http://higherefficiency.net/ -http://changeroundup.com/ -http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ -http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Dan Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Roberto is correct. Using multiple applications in concert to subvert the quota system is a violation of the terms of service. http://code.google.com/appengine/terms.html 7.2. You may not ... attempt to disable or circumvent any security mechanisms used by the Service or any Application... -- Dan On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Roberto Saccon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An App Engine application is already a distributed system, so I would recommend you just to write a single app and wait until the quotas get lifted, so you can purchase as much as you need. If you just want provide web services to your apps, the common way in Python land seems to be HTTP REST. If you want to maximize your free quota with countless accounts, each one with ten apps, that might be against the terms. regards Roberto On Nov 29, 1:39 pm, jeffkyjin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have create some applications in App Engine. If I want to build a distributed system which will use many application in App Engine. Because the quota of App Engine, I have to split the whole work to pieces and send these pieces to other applications. Any advices on this? And how can i use API to communicate between my applications? Thanks a lot! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: How To Communicate Between App Engines
Since when did resource quotas == security mechanisms? Apples and oranges, but if they ARE considered the same by Google, then the ToS needs to be cleaerer. If I can use 10 * x, what difference does it make if I do the same thing ten times over? Apples and oranges. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net/ - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Dan Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Roberto is correct. Using multiple applications in concert to subvert the quota system is a violation of the terms of service. http://code.google.com/appengine/terms.html 7.2. You may not ... attempt to disable or circumvent any security mechanisms used by the Service or any Application... -- Dan On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Roberto Saccon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An App Engine application is already a distributed system, so I would recommend you just to write a single app and wait until the quotas get lifted, so you can purchase as much as you need. If you just want provide web services to your apps, the common way in Python land seems to be HTTP REST. If you want to maximize your free quota with countless accounts, each one with ten apps, that might be against the terms. regards Roberto On Nov 29, 1:39 pm, jeffkyjin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have create some applications in App Engine. If I want to build a distributed system which will use many application in App Engine. Because the quota of App Engine, I have to split the whole work to pieces and send these pieces to other applications. Any advices on this? And how can i use API to communicate between my applications? Thanks a lot! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: How To Communicate Between App Engines
were it me, I'd expose as much as you can in a RESTful fashion ... I'd probably also deploy the same code to all applications, each capable of accepting all of the different commands or requests -- in case you have a failure during any of your requests, you can failover to another instance of the app. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net/ - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 11:39 AM, jeffkyjin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have create some applications in App Engine. If I want to build a distributed system which will use many application in App Engine. Because the quota of App Engine, I have to split the whole work to pieces and send these pieces to other applications. Any advices on this? And how can i use API to communicate between my applications? Thanks a lot! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: encryption libraries
SHA == one-way hashing, not encryption. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net/ - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Nikola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can try encryption based on the built-in SHA module that is supposed to be implemented in native code: http://www.nightsong.com/phr/crypto/p3.py On Nov 27, 7:22 am, Leonid Evdokimov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marzia Niccolai wrote: There aren't many pure python implementations for encryption libraries, for obvious performance reasons. I there full list of preinstalled libraries in GAE environment available somewhere? Yes, documentation refers to python 2.5 standard library, but there are lots of binary stuff in stdlib. For example, hashlib has _hashlib.so, but it's available in GAE as far as I understand. If you are interested in encryption support for App Engine, you should probably star this feature request in the issue tracker: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=534 Heh, I've done that before I mailed to the list. :) -- WBRBW, Leonid Evdokimov signature.asc 1KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: GAE vs. EC2
EC2 lacks autoscaling out of the box, but is absolutely achievable by any number of means, thanks to both the open and commercial communities that have sprung up on top of AWS. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net/ - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:17 PM, sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the big draw of GAE over EC2 is the autoscaling, usage based pricing and access to BigTable (although I've not seen a comparison to SimpleDB yet either). See my previous post - EC2 seems to allow autoscaling is you choose the right images, also. SimpleDB looks like a fairly full featured database, offering some complex query options, and is pay-for-what-you- consume. http://aws.amazon.com/simpledb/ I think EC2's biggest flaw so far is the inability to connect multiple instances to a single EBS block (where you would presumably have your database). This limits the scalability of any one database to a single, extra large instance. Maybe Amazon will change this in the future I've seen simple scripts that mount the same EBS volume when an instance starts... can you give a reference where its not possible? that said, we are using GAE as the front end/storage/query engine and EC2 for backend processing work (when needed). using the two Cloud types in tandem has some benefits (although I would love both a Queue and background processing in GAE!) If you have access to EC2 already, why not put the frontend there too? It would minimize latency / etc. Just curious... not sure where I see the GAE integration as being technically a very attractive option in your case... Not sure if GAE''s strategy should be 'use us for your frontend, because we can't handle the complicated stuff', just doesn't make much business sense, and doesn't give developers tons of faith in the platform. (Of course we're just in beta, maybe some new features are in the pipe I'm missing?) cheers brian On Nov 5, 1:41 am, sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems there are images you can choose for EC2 which automatically load balance/scale when you boot new instances... Are you sure about that ? I would be glad if you provide some reference. http://highscalability.com/scalr-open-source-auto-scaling-hosting-ama. .. ..Scalr is a fully redundant, self-curing and self-scaling hosting environment utilizing Amazon's EC2. ... The health of the farm is continuously monitored and maintained. When the Load Average on a type of node goes above a configurable threshold a new node is inserted into the farm to spread the load and the cluster is reconfigured. When a node crashes a new machine of that type is inserted into the farm to replace it. ... ... New machines of this type will be brought online to meet current levels and the old machines are terminated one by one. ... Its also a project hosted on google code ironically enough. http://code.google.com/p/scalr/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: GAE vs. EC2
I can use, and have in fact used, a publicly available image and get a scalable app up and running in minutes under EC2, with or without Rightscale. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:55 PM, yejun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just try it, you will see. I am tired of arguing here. It makes little sense to comparing them hypothetically. They are on completely different level of a real problem. On Nov 5, 2:27 pm, sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 5, 1:46 pm, yejun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you can use a notepad to write a scalable web application on GAE just in 5 minutes and run it in seconds. On EC2 the development process will take a minimal of days. I'm not sure I agree with the quicker-development-cycle argument... see the threads on how to write a simple web counter with GAE, or do simple database queries. Things very easily done using other technologies on an EC2 type of solution. You just have to 1) agree to 10 cents an hour to test your app 2) pick images you wouldn't have to choose with GAE. You can even use Python on EC2 so thats not really a 'pro' for GAE either. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: GAE vs. EC2
You don't have to use S3 with EC2 ... ... what are you talking about? You CAN use S3 ... or SimpleDB ... or any third party storage service ... There are plenty of third-party tools (Rightscale comes to mind) that make scaling EC2 a breeze. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net/ - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Arash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a point which you are missing here. Firing up more images in EC2 does not makes your application scalable. There is lots and lots of other issues here. With EC2 you have to use S3 etc etc. there might be some point to consider working with GAE but in short I think there is much more to do if you want a scalable application in EC2. On Nov 4, 2:10 pm, sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, you can have someone cook the raw meat to dinner. There's no actual difference in the end. These were my thoughts too... if its the same difference in the end... I'm looking for reasons as to why one would stick with GAE long-term. The difficulty to EC2 for small project is the scaling part, you need either buy or write your own management code for an almost real cluster minus hardware. You need to monitor server load, and start new EC2 instance when load gets high and terminate extra unused servers. You need to take care way more possible exceptions then GAE. It seems there are images you can choose for EC2 which automatically load balance/scale when you boot new instances... On Nov 4, 1:39 pm, sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point taken, in the scenario that you might have to make your own image, possibly... But assume that someone signs up for EC2, and just chooses an existing image with Python in it. Really there isn't much cooking involved correct? You should have a working server up pretty quickly... (a few other considerations: within GAE your serverside RAM can be invalidated at-random, as well as the memcache... and we're limited to using a sortof limited Datastore, rather than the full RDBMS you could have in an EC2 image) Maybe a bit like a free dinner without a fork? =) On Nov 4, 1:19 pm, yejun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel this comparison is similar to raw meat vs cooked dinner. On Nov 4, 12:31 pm, sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious to hear some opinions on this - especially from anyone who has experience with Amazon's EC2 as well as GAE. I just read a blog saying you can be up and running with EC2's cheapest offering with no upfront cost and 79$ a month. You get a 'real' virtualized Linux machine with 1.7GB of ram. And by clicking a button (there are free graphical admin tools now), as many more instances/images as you need will pop up instantly using a system image that you create to handle whatever load you have. (Your bill goes just up as you click into more resources). There are loads of 'public' images to pick from, some include Python already. (Others have Java, PHP, etc). By choosing one of these images you'll have Python running, with full root access to a server online that you can do whatever you like with. I guess technically, someone could just put the GAE SDK up on an EC2 box, with some tweaks, and you could almost have your GAE app running there unmodified as well? I'm using GAE because of the zero, upfront cost currently... this is great for toying around with neat ideas - but for 'real world', demanding applications... you'll eventually have to pay even for GAE. What do we have offered that something like EC2 doesn't? Google has announced another language coming in a few months - but again EC2 allows to use whichever is installed in your machine image already - any language you can use in linux I suppose... not sure if its enough to keep me onboard once my app goes over its quotas and I have to start to pay for more. looking forward to hear thoughts! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: GAE vs. EC2
Or EBS for that matter too (S3, SimpleDB, EBS) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't have to use S3 with EC2 ... ... what are you talking about? You CAN use S3 ... or SimpleDB ... or any third party storage service ... There are plenty of third-party tools (Rightscale comes to mind) that make scaling EC2 a breeze. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net/ - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Arash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a point which you are missing here. Firing up more images in EC2 does not makes your application scalable. There is lots and lots of other issues here. With EC2 you have to use S3 etc etc. there might be some point to consider working with GAE but in short I think there is much more to do if you want a scalable application in EC2. On Nov 4, 2:10 pm, sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, you can have someone cook the raw meat to dinner. There's no actual difference in the end. These were my thoughts too... if its the same difference in the end... I'm looking for reasons as to why one would stick with GAE long-term. The difficulty to EC2 for small project is the scaling part, you need either buy or write your own management code for an almost real cluster minus hardware. You need to monitor server load, and start new EC2 instance when load gets high and terminate extra unused servers. You need to take care way more possible exceptions then GAE. It seems there are images you can choose for EC2 which automatically load balance/scale when you boot new instances... On Nov 4, 1:39 pm, sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point taken, in the scenario that you might have to make your own image, possibly... But assume that someone signs up for EC2, and just chooses an existing image with Python in it. Really there isn't much cooking involved correct? You should have a working server up pretty quickly... (a few other considerations: within GAE your serverside RAM can be invalidated at-random, as well as the memcache... and we're limited to using a sortof limited Datastore, rather than the full RDBMS you could have in an EC2 image) Maybe a bit like a free dinner without a fork? =) On Nov 4, 1:19 pm, yejun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel this comparison is similar to raw meat vs cooked dinner. On Nov 4, 12:31 pm, sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious to hear some opinions on this - especially from anyone who has experience with Amazon's EC2 as well as GAE. I just read a blog saying you can be up and running with EC2's cheapest offering with no upfront cost and 79$ a month. You get a 'real' virtualized Linux machine with 1.7GB of ram. And by clicking a button (there are free graphical admin tools now), as many more instances/images as you need will pop up instantly using a system image that you create to handle whatever load you have. (Your bill goes just up as you click into more resources). There are loads of 'public' images to pick from, some include Python already. (Others have Java, PHP, etc). By choosing one of these images you'll have Python running, with full root access to a server online that you can do whatever you like with. I guess technically, someone could just put the GAE SDK up on an EC2 box, with some tweaks, and you could almost have your GAE app running there unmodified as well? I'm using GAE because of the zero, upfront cost currently... this is great for toying around with neat ideas - but for 'real world', demanding applications... you'll eventually have to pay even for GAE. What do we have offered that something like EC2 doesn't? Google has announced another language coming in a few months - but again EC2 allows to use whichever is installed in your machine image already - any language you can use in linux I suppose... not sure if its enough to keep me onboard once my app goes over its quotas and I have to start to pay for more. looking forward to hear thoughts! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Crappiest Product from Google
You should say, Oh yeah, I'm using a beta service, offered for free, with equally beta documentation. I guess I get what I pay for. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net/ - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Kannaiyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 11-03 09:05AM 00.469 type 'exceptions.ImportError': cannot import name gdata Traceback (most recent call last): File /base/data/home/apps/musugundan/1.9/telephonebook.py, line 3, in module from google.appengine.api import gdata Hello, you say something is working and even the basic example supplied by google is not working, then what would I say? /Kans On Nov 3, 9:46 am, pr3d4t0r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 4:44 am, Kannaiyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a software developer for more than 13 years. I'm just trying to develop simple spreadsheet update application. All ends up in unknown errors. http://1.latest.musugundan.appspot.com/ Any help with these ones? This is the worst service I felt from google. When you introduce new craps to market, please make it easier. 1. Seniority doesn't give you knowledge or ability by itself. Nobody cares if you ahve 13 or 130 years doing something if you suck at it. 2. Lack of ability results in frustration, which leads to anger, which leads to lashing out to things you don't understand; this eventually results in magical/theistic thinking. 3. Given the number of people using App Engine right now, I'd venture that you have an acute case of PEBKAC. If you want help regarding your project, please review this link: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.htmlhttp://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html Cheers, pr3d4t0r Disclaimer: Neither pr3d4t0r, Eugene Ciurana, nor NikkiWade, JohnG417, pr3d4k4t, nor any of his other /nicks are associated with Google or any of its affiliates. No animals were hurt in the production of this post. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Crappiest Product from Google
There are plenty, though I'm not sure anyone else offers Python via Platform-as-a-Service. There are numerous clouds and grids out there, many still in beta. Those NOT in beta are also NOT FREE. You might want to consider checking out Amazon's EC2 offering, though if you're having trouble getting Python to run, you might find EC2 to be too great a challenge ... --Andy Badera On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Kannaiyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Badera, I would love to see a competitor for google with quality service, not just wasting time. /Kans On Nov 3, 9:25 am, Kannaiyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pr3d4t0r, I'm just asking a example which works not just sucks. Can you point me to an example which works in updating spreadsheet API supplied by google data api. I have done all the preliminaries before coming here. /Kans On Nov 3, 9:21 am, Kannaiyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 11-03 09:05AM 00.469 type 'exceptions.ImportError': cannot import name gdata Traceback (most recent call last): File /base/data/home/apps/musugundan/1.9/telephonebook.py, line 3, in module from google.appengine.api import gdata Hello, you say something is working and even the basic example supplied by google is not working, then what would I say? /Kans On Nov 3, 9:46 am, pr3d4t0r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 4:44 am, Kannaiyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a software developer for more than 13 years. I'm just trying to develop simple spreadsheet update application. All ends up in unknown errors. http://1.latest.musugundan.appspot.com/ Any help with these ones? This is the worst service I felt from google. When you introduce new craps to market, please make it easier. 1. Seniority doesn't give you knowledge or ability by itself. Nobody cares if you ahve 13 or 130 years doing something if you suck at it. 2. Lack of ability results in frustration, which leads to anger, which leads to lashing out to things you don't understand; this eventually results in magical/theistic thinking. 3. Given the number of people using App Engine right now, I'd venture that you have an acute case of PEBKAC. If you want help regarding your project, please review this link: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.htmlhttp://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html Cheers, pr3d4t0r Disclaimer: Neither pr3d4t0r, Eugene Ciurana, nor NikkiWade, JohnG417, pr3d4k4t, nor any of his other /nicks are associated with Google or any of its affiliates. No animals were hurt in the production of this post.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Delisted by Google after changing from naked domain to www. domain?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=301+redirectbtnG=Searchaq=foq= ... perhaps? Nothing surprising here ... On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Jeffrey Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, one of my Google friends signed on and he fixed it. I would still look into why changing from a naked domain to www can flag your account to get delisted. -Jeff On Nov 2, 2:08 am, Jeffrey Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey there, My app engine website has just been totally pwned by Google. We are an indie game company working on the video game Overgrowth: http://www.wolfire.com/overgrowth. We have been using Google App Engine for a long time, and everything was looking good. We've been quite active in the app engine community. We were the #2 search result for Overgrowth, last time I checked. However... after being informed by Google App Engine to change from our naked domain to the www. subdomain, we promptly made the change. Recently, I logged into Google today and now we have been totally delisted! We do not even show up for wolfire overgrowth!! Our blog hosted on our old school Apache server shows up before our App Engine website! What gives? I don't even know where to begin to get this resolved, so I was hoping to get some advice from the App Engine team. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Microsoft Azure
Yeah, somewhere between the beginning of that paragraph and end, I started mistyping. I do see where that IS the case, and that's kind of crazy ... but obviously part of the MS push toward Vista/2008/7 ... On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Andy Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't write XP only , I said lack of XP support. The Azure SDK only supports Vista and Server 2008. It does not support XP. On Oct 28, 8:06 am, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you talking about, lack of XP support? The SDK is part of the Visual Studio/.NET platform, I've neither seen nor heard nor read anything about the SDKs being XP-only. That would make very little sense. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Andy Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lack of XP support for the SDK makes Azure a non-starter. (I'm not going to set up/buy a vista system just to try it.) On Oct 27, 11:16 am, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what's the GAE take on the MS Azure announcement at PDC today? Is it going to be competitive, or not even in the same ballpark? Will it force the GAE team to spend extra effort on a .NET implementation for GAE? Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 -http://higherefficiency.net/ -http://changeroundup.com/ -http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ -http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Microsoft Azure
Per Mike Amundsen: Azure SDK has UI/virutal bits that require Server 2008 or Vista. however APIs are all HTTP - no SDK required. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net/ - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Ross Ridge [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Andrew Badera wrote: I do see where that IS the case, and that's kind of crazy ... but obviously part of the MS push toward Vista/2008/7 ... I believe it stems from that fact SDK requires IIS 7.0, which is included in Windows Vista (and Server 2008) and isn't supported in Windows XP. It makes sense as the Windows Azure servers will presumably be using IIS 7.0. Though, I suppose there's no reason why IIS 7.0 couldn't have supported XP. Ross Ridge --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Microsoft Azure
The queuing is sweet -- something GAE definitely lacks, hasn't even roadmapped I don't believe. Long-running or scheduled tasks anyone? --ab On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like Azure's blobs/tables/queue, like AWS, to handle different sized data. It looks like you can access different datastores from an app. When you get a data service timeout, you get partially completed data and a token to resume the operation. I think that's a good idea. No pricing or free version mentioned in low end for now. On Oct 27, 12:03 pm, jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm only skimming the description but i think the more familiar relational sql storage will appeal to many people. On Oct 27, 11:16 am, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what's the GAE take on the MS Azure announcement at PDC today? Is it going to be competitive, or not even in the same ballpark? Will it force the GAE team to spend extra effort on a .NET implementation for GAE? Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 -http://higherefficiency.net/ -http://changeroundup.com/ -http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ -http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Microsoft Azure
What are you talking about, lack of XP support? The SDK is part of the Visual Studio/.NET platform, I've neither seen nor heard nor read anything about the SDKs being XP-only. That would make very little sense. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Andy Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lack of XP support for the SDK makes Azure a non-starter. (I'm not going to set up/buy a vista system just to try it.) On Oct 27, 11:16 am, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what's the GAE take on the MS Azure announcement at PDC today? Is it going to be competitive, or not even in the same ballpark? Will it force the GAE team to spend extra effort on a .NET implementation for GAE? Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 -http://higherefficiency.net/ -http://changeroundup.com/ -http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ -http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Microsoft Azure
So, what's the GAE take on the MS Azure announcement at PDC today? Is it going to be competitive, or not even in the same ballpark? Will it force the GAE team to spend extra effort on a .NET implementation for GAE? Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net/ - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Microsoft Azure
Don't forget SSDS, which gives you the same horizontal EAV setup of BigTable ... I can't imagine that won't become part of MS' official cloud offering. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM, jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm only skimming the description but i think the more familiar relational sql storage will appeal to many people. On Oct 27, 11:16 am, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what's the GAE take on the MS Azure announcement at PDC today? Is it going to be competitive, or not even in the same ballpark? Will it force the GAE team to spend extra effort on a .NET implementation for GAE? Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 -http://higherefficiency.net/ -http://changeroundup.com/ -http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ -http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Microsoft Azure
Or, if you're talking about SSDS (SQL Server Data Services) already, be aware, they're a BigTable clone ... On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM, jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm only skimming the description but i think the more familiar relational sql storage will appeal to many people. On Oct 27, 11:16 am, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what's the GAE take on the MS Azure announcement at PDC today? Is it going to be competitive, or not even in the same ballpark? Will it force the GAE team to spend extra effort on a .NET implementation for GAE? Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 -http://higherefficiency.net/ -http://changeroundup.com/ -http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ -http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Google Developers Day - Java App Engine. Time line? Hype?
Probably right after Microsoft makes a major cloud announcement. Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net/ - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:30 AM, kls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so WHEN? approximate On Oct 21, 1:26 am, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been recent discussion in the blogosphere about the potential support of Java in App Engine. While we don't have any immediate plans or announcements, we are working on other languages for App Engine. Security and performance are our primary concerns with any new language runtime and getting it right takes time. We don't have any dates for you today but be assured that you will be the first to know when we have a release date for a new language for App Engine. Thank you for all your support, we are encouraged by the excitement and interest we see in this discussion. Paul McDonald - App Engine Product Manager On Oct 20, 5:21 am, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read that too along with this post on the same site : http://www.controlenter.in/2008/10/google-developer-day-bangalore-goo... Will we find out more along with the release of the Android SDK? Looking forward to finding out more! James On Oct 19, 8:03 pm, pr3d4t0r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings. According to this blogger: http://www.controlenter.in/2008/10/java-support-to-appengine-to-count... App Engine will introduce Java support soon. Are these announcements by Google's Prasad Ram true? Is there additional information available somewhere? The only substantive announcement regarding App Engine that I could find recently was the support for HTTPS. Google crew... what's the scoop? Can you guys talk about it yet? Is this only hype? Thanks and cheers, pr3d4t0rhttp://istheserverup.comhttp://teslatestament.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Is db.delete Limited To 1000 Items?
Why do you need to delete all posts? Couldn't you just kill the parent itself, and leave the other entities orphaned in limbo, never to be retrieved again? On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone. I must say this is a little unsatisfactory only deleting 1000 entries. My forum at http://silicon.appspot.com/ is growing quite large and although I have no threads containing 1000 posts yet there are a few in the 100s. Obviously moderators and administrators can delete threads and I don't see a nice method for doing that with this restriction. I've heard of the method where only a few items would be deleted per request and multiple requests would be made until all items were removed but that isn't really practical for this context. I currently delete all posts before the thread item is deleted so I suppose at worst only some posts will be removed and some left with the thread. In that case multiple 'deletes' would eventually remove the thread entirely... I can't see any better methods, and if there aren't then that's OK, but I'd like to hear any ideas you guys have. :-) Thanks, Lster On Oct 20, 5:33 pm, Ross Ridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: theo wrote: Ok, but that doesn't answer the fundamental quastion. Well, I read the fundamental question as In the general case, is there a way to easily delete all of the entities of a given model?, and the answer to that question is no. The amount entities you can delete in single call to db.delete() doesn't matter. There are two reasons for this, one is since you can only match 1000 entities at a time there's no reason to delete more than 1000 entities at a time. The second is that I strongly suspect that attempting to delete 1000 entities at once will result your request timing out long before it's finished deleting them all. If you want to delete all entities of a model you're going to need to implement something like the bulk uploader which breaks up the operation across several requests. Ross Ridge --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Definition of Google's Infrastructure
The OP said: get deployed to regional (ie international) data centers? I'm taking more of a generic geophysical location, not international, or as you've framed, intercontinental perspective. But in the end, it's the same -- availability zones will, when fully rolled out, offer geophysical differentiation of deployments, and that is, in fact, quite intrinsic to modern cloud computing. SSDS, same deal. I want to say Hadoop nodes are also organized this way. It's just the way it's done for professional cloud deployments. You have 12 different Google datacenters for a reason -- some of the same reason those deploying applications in the cloud need geophysical differentiation. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Jon McAlister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the CDN case is markedly different from the datastore case, since you're just dealing with immutable blobs. This is not the thorny issue. Regarding the EC2 availability zone case, these are not spread across continents. Quoting from http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=1347: Amazon EC2 now provides the ability to place instances in multiple locations. Amazon EC2 locations are composed of regions and availability zones. Regions are geographically dispersed and will be in separate geographic areas or countries. Currently, ***Amazon EC2 exposes only a single region***. So, this case is not very complicated either, since all the availability zones are right next to one another. I contend that neither of these solve the generic problem. On Oct 7, 9:59 pm, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EC2 has availability zones. SSDS will be doing something similar. CDNs and SDNs often operate on the concept of replicating content close to various edges in order to reduce latency/improve throughput. Short of fixes on that scale, one must engage in data sync'g in some form or another. All kinds of reasons for it, and it's most definitely already being done, in various forms. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Jon McAlister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should we allow control over where the app is serving from? Sure, that sounds very reasonable, and is notably important for certain legal reasons amongst our European customers. Should we design our system so that if the datacenters where an app is deployed are vaporized, then the app keeps serving? No, this is a much thornier issue. Notably, I disagree with the claim that true inter-continental deployment of an app is a basic premise of modern cloud computing, mostly because this is really hard, and few systems actually get this right. Think about it from the view of a datastore write. When you write an entity, should that entity be immediately available on every continent? The reasonable answer is no, because if we guaranteed that, then the write latency would skyrocket. But if we don't guarantee that, what do we guarantee instead? If the app is presently serving from two continents, but we do not guarantee strong write behavior, how are conflicting writes then to be merged? If one datacenter disappears and then later comes back online, what happens to the writes that were halfway applied but not yet fully merged? Do we permit data to be dropped or do we try to reconcile this data, in spite of the fact that it may be hours or days stale? The answer to the above questions rely heavily on the specifics of the data and the behavior of the application, and most apps are happy to avoid this issue and are fine serving from one or a small number of locations. It's not a trivial thing to design one (or a handful of) generic APIs that support true inter-continental application presence, but this doesn't mean we'll give up trying to do so. We also welcome any technical suggestions you have. For instance, how would you presently solve this issue outside of Google App Engine? On Oct 7, 1:39 pm, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point of the cloud -- if you're going to make your resources external, remote, you need to provide a means for assuring uptime. For some people, different geophysical locations are required for their service. Obviously GAE beta shouldn't see a true NEED for this while still in beta, but like SSL and everything else GAE lacks, there IS a need, it IS a basic premise of modern cloud computing. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you want to be assured that if all the Google data centers in the U.S. (over 12) go down (I wonder the probability of this), your GAE application will still be up? On Oct 7, 11:35 am, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh ... availability and assurance? That's half the point of the cloud. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, why would anyone
[google-appengine] Re: Definition of Google's Infrastructure
That's the point of the cloud -- if you're going to make your resources external, remote, you need to provide a means for assuring uptime. For some people, different geophysical locations are required for their service. Obviously GAE beta shouldn't see a true NEED for this while still in beta, but like SSL and everything else GAE lacks, there IS a need, it IS a basic premise of modern cloud computing. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you want to be assured that if all the Google data centers in the U.S. (over 12) go down (I wonder the probability of this), your GAE application will still be up? On Oct 7, 11:35 am, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh ... availability and assurance? That's half the point of the cloud. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, why would anyone need to deploy their GAE applications to international data centers? On Oct 7, 10:48 am, dleifker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly does the term Google's Infrastructure imply? Once deployed does an application get deployed to regional (ie international) data centers? If not, from what general geographical area are the applications being served from? (US only?) And are there plans to allow an application to be deployed to international locations? -- Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1420 -http://higherefficiency.net -http://changeroundup.com/ -http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ -http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Definition of Google's Infrastructure
EC2 has availability zones. SSDS will be doing something similar. CDNs and SDNs often operate on the concept of replicating content close to various edges in order to reduce latency/improve throughput. Short of fixes on that scale, one must engage in data sync'g in some form or another. All kinds of reasons for it, and it's most definitely already being done, in various forms. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Jon McAlister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should we allow control over where the app is serving from? Sure, that sounds very reasonable, and is notably important for certain legal reasons amongst our European customers. Should we design our system so that if the datacenters where an app is deployed are vaporized, then the app keeps serving? No, this is a much thornier issue. Notably, I disagree with the claim that true inter-continental deployment of an app is a basic premise of modern cloud computing, mostly because this is really hard, and few systems actually get this right. Think about it from the view of a datastore write. When you write an entity, should that entity be immediately available on every continent? The reasonable answer is no, because if we guaranteed that, then the write latency would skyrocket. But if we don't guarantee that, what do we guarantee instead? If the app is presently serving from two continents, but we do not guarantee strong write behavior, how are conflicting writes then to be merged? If one datacenter disappears and then later comes back online, what happens to the writes that were halfway applied but not yet fully merged? Do we permit data to be dropped or do we try to reconcile this data, in spite of the fact that it may be hours or days stale? The answer to the above questions rely heavily on the specifics of the data and the behavior of the application, and most apps are happy to avoid this issue and are fine serving from one or a small number of locations. It's not a trivial thing to design one (or a handful of) generic APIs that support true inter-continental application presence, but this doesn't mean we'll give up trying to do so. We also welcome any technical suggestions you have. For instance, how would you presently solve this issue outside of Google App Engine? On Oct 7, 1:39 pm, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point of the cloud -- if you're going to make your resources external, remote, you need to provide a means for assuring uptime. For some people, different geophysical locations are required for their service. Obviously GAE beta shouldn't see a true NEED for this while still in beta, but like SSL and everything else GAE lacks, there IS a need, it IS a basic premise of modern cloud computing. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you want to be assured that if all the Google data centers in the U.S. (over 12) go down (I wonder the probability of this), your GAE application will still be up? On Oct 7, 11:35 am, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh ... availability and assurance? That's half the point of the cloud. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, why would anyone need to deploy their GAE applications to international data centers? On Oct 7, 10:48 am, dleifker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly does the term Google's Infrastructure imply? Once deployed does an application get deployed to regional (ie international) data centers? If not, from what general geographical area are the applications being served from? (US only?) And are there plans to allow an application to be deployed to international locations? -- Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1420 -http://higherefficiency.net -http://changeroundup.com/ -http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ -http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] For those looking for .NET in the cloud
... and who can't wait for Microsoft Oslo to come out: http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2008/10/coming-soon-ama.html -- Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1420 - http://higherefficiency.net - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: baltic-avenue: An open source clone of the Amazon S3 REST API for Google App Engine
Sweet! On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 2:04 PM, John Spurlock [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I've been recently experimenting with the idea of creating an open source S3 REST API clone that runs as a GAE application. This would allow for private S3 instances that leverage the google hosted infrastructure (big-table etc) and your existing S3 tools/applications/ processes. The project has reached a minimum level of functionality as a proof of concept, and is now hosted out on google code. http://code.google.com/p/baltic-avenue/ The core bucket and object-level operations are implemented, as well as support for multiple custom user accounts, ACLs and public-reads. More info on the site on how to configure third-party clients (smoke- tested with s3sync, boto, jets3t/cockpit, resourceful/spaceblock). There are some obvious limitations right now due to the preview release quotas on GAE - e.g. object size limited to 1MB, and total storage limited to 500MB. The assumption is that these will be lifted or relaxed once the service is pay-as-you-go. Would love to get people involved in testing and making the implementation more robust. I'm not necessarily a pythonista, so I attempted to write as little of it as possible... Thanks, - John -- Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: App Engine homepage not working?
Old news. Workaround already posted in this group. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Alexander Kojevnikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you use a Google Apps account to sign in? If so, you need to use this URL: http://appengine.google.com/a/YOURDOMAIN.COM/ On Sep 12, 7:29 pm, Alex N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm trying to setup an appengine account, andhttp:// appengine.google.com/start goes in a redirect loop. Is anybody else having the same problem? Thanks, -- Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Can I use Python script in the HTML just like the javascript?
Paradigm fail. Is Python a client-side browser language? On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:05 AM, Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I am newcommer of Google App Can I use Python script in the HTML just like the javascript? Thanks -- Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Can I use Python script in the HTML just like the javascript?
Danger browser? Is that the browser Danger Mouse uses? Or perhaps the browser preferred by Rodney Dangerfield? On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Davide Rognoni [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Yes, but you must use this danger browser http://pyoohtml.appspot.com/IronBrowser On Sep 11, 10:05 am, Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I am newcommer of Google App Can I use Python script in the HTML just like the javascript? Thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Having doubts about AppEngine
Google technology stack != AppEngine Google technology stack is the distributed filesystem, is the search API, the mail API, MapReduce and everything else Google offers from it's vast datacenters. AppEngine is a drop in the bucket, a small window into that stack. Google Analytics is really a cannibalized and repackaged Urchin. Expect something similar out of the Jaiku revolution. A lot of heavier-duty Urchin users felt left in the dust when Google picked apart the offering and halted new development. Again, expect something similar out of Jaiku -- because Google has become a place companies go to die. (GrandCentral anyone?) On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Michael Schreifels [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I can definitely sympathize with the sentiments here. I really wish Google did offer better communication. However, I just wanted to point out: Jaiko is a company acquired by Google quite a while back. A TechCrunch post today ( http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/28/jaiku-uncaps-invites-migrates-to-google-infrastructure/ ) links to a previous blog entry, which indicates their intention to convert the app entirely to App Engine: http://www.jaiku.com/blog/2008/04/08/wroom-were-moving-to-google-app-engine/ This seems to be a promising sign of investment in AE on Google's part (although the move was almost certainly made solely for that purpose). On Aug 27, 5:09 pm, javaDinosaur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am starting to have doubts about continuing to develop my applications for GAE. My concerns are not technical although I have a some anxieties about transaction data propagation performance. My concerns center around Google's commitment to the App Engine project. Compared to Amazon's Web Service forums this place feels like a technical backwater. Developers hosting on Amazon AWS post interesting questions and get deep-dive replies promptly from Amazon staff. Amazon is releasing new Cloud development services monthly yet all we get is minor patches. Here on the GAE forum elementary questions about how GAE ticks go unanswered for months. Basic roadmap type info such as will we get SSL or scheduled tasks is missing. I just feel that the GAE Team is not building up any development stream in what should be the last 4 month run up to the year-end release. Communication with the developer community here is abysmal compared to the investment in developer relations made by companies such as Microsoft, Redhat or Amazon. What's happened to the early buzz Google? Has the top bass pinched half the team to firefight problems on another project? -- Thanks- - Andy Badera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (518) 641-1280 - http://higherefficiency.net - http://changeroundup.com/ - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ - http://andrew.badera.us/ - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
