Or EBS for that matter too (S3, SimpleDB, EBS)
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Andrew Badera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You don't have to use S3 with EC2 ... ... what are you talking about? > > You CAN use S3 ... or SimpleDB ... or any third party storage service ... > > There are plenty of third-party tools (Rightscale comes to mind) that make > scaling EC2 a breeze. > > Thanks- > - Andy Badera > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - (518) 641-1280 > > - http://higherefficiency.net/ > - http://changeroundup.com/ > > - http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/ > - http://andrew.badera.us/ > > - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera > > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Arash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> There is a point which you are missing here. Firing up more images in >> EC2 does not makes your application scalable. There is lots and lots >> of other issues here. With EC2 you have to use S3 etc etc. >> there might be some point to consider working with GAE but in short I >> think there is much more to do if you want a scalable application in >> EC2. >> >> >> On Nov 4, 2:10 pm, sal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > Of course, you can have someone cook the raw meat to dinner. There's >> > > no actual difference in the end. >> > >> > These were my thoughts too... if its the same difference in the end... >> > I'm looking for reasons as to why one would stick with GAE long-term. >> > >> > >> > >> > > The difficulty to EC2 for small project is the scaling part, you need >> > > either buy or write your own management code for an almost real >> > > cluster minus hardware. You need to monitor server load, and start new >> > > EC2 instance when load gets high and terminate extra unused servers. >> > > You need to take care way more possible exceptions then GAE. >> > >> > It seems there are images you can choose for EC2 which automatically >> > load balance/scale when you boot new instances... >> > >> > >> > >> > > On Nov 4, 1:39 pm, sal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > > Point taken, in the scenario that you might have to make your own >> > > > image, possibly... >> > >> > > > But assume that someone signs up for EC2, and just chooses an >> existing >> > > > image with Python in it. Really there isn't much cooking involved >> > > > correct? You should have a working server up pretty quickly... >> > >> > > > (a few other considerations: within GAE your serverside RAM can be >> > > > invalidated at-random, as well as the memcache... and we're limited >> to >> > > > using a sortof limited Datastore, rather than the full RDBMS you >> could >> > > > have in an EC2 image) Maybe a bit like a free dinner without a >> fork? >> > > > =) >> > >> > > > On Nov 4, 1:19 pm, yejun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > I feel this comparison is similar to raw meat vs cooked dinner. >> > >> > > > > On Nov 4, 12:31 pm, sal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > Just curious to hear some opinions on this - especially from >> anyone >> > > > > > who has experience with Amazon's EC2 as well as GAE. >> > >> > > > > > I just read a blog saying you can be up and running with EC2's >> > > > > > cheapest offering with no upfront cost and 79$ a month. You get >> a >> > > > > > 'real' virtualized Linux machine with 1.7GB of ram. And by >> clicking a >> > > > > > button (there are free graphical admin tools now), as many more >> > > > > > instances/images as you need will pop up instantly using a >> system >> > > > > > image that you create to handle whatever load you have. (Your >> bill >> > > > > > goes just up as you click into more resources). >> > >> > > > > > There are loads of 'public' images to pick from, some include >> Python >> > > > > > already. (Others have Java, PHP, etc). By choosing one of these >> > > > > > images you'll have Python running, with full root access to a >> server >> > > > > > online that you can do whatever you like with. I guess >> technically, >> > > > > > someone could just put the GAE SDK up on an EC2 box, with some >> tweaks, >> > > > > > and you could almost have your GAE app running there unmodified >> as >> > > > > > well? >> > >> > > > > > I'm using GAE because of the zero, upfront cost currently... >> this is >> > > > > > great for toying around with neat ideas - but for 'real world', >> > > > > > demanding applications... you'll eventually have to pay even for >> GAE. >> > > > > > What do we have offered that something like EC2 doesn't? >> > >> > > > > > Google has announced another language coming in a few months - >> but >> > > > > > again EC2 allows to use whichever is installed in your machine >> image >> > > > > > already - any language you can use in linux I suppose... not >> sure if >> > > > > > its enough to keep me onboard once my app goes over its quotas >> and I >> > > > > > have to start to pay for more. >> > >> > > > > > looking forward to hear thoughts! >> >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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