Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Official George swaggybre...@gmail.com wrote: I want for real Sorry, it's opaque to me what you mean by that. Elucidate please? Alex On Oct 4, 2013 6:06 AM, rcp rc.phe...@gmail.com wrote: -1 from an 'enthusiast programmer'; SO considers me un-washed despite my relentless effort to be concise and precise. On Monday, February 6, 2012 6:14:54 PM UTC-8, Ikai Lan wrote: *Hi App Engine Developers,In the last few years, the QA website Stack Overflow http://www.stackoverflow.com/ has become an invaluable tool for developer communities. We’re pleased to announce that we are migrating to Stack Overflow as the official channel for answering development questions about Google App Engine.The google-appengine http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine group will remain open for general discussions and announcements that are better suited for the groups format.We believe that Stack Overflow is better platform for sharing knowledge and answering support questions given its larger community, de-duping of similar questions and contributor reputation system. We also expect that App Engine developers will be able to contribute and benefit from the wider range of language-related information not specific to App Engine. In addition, due to Stack Overflow’s use of OpenID for account management, developers will not need to create a new account to participate in the discussion - developers will be able to log in with any of the identity providers supported by Stack Overflow, including Google Accounts.We plan on deprecating the App Engine language-specific groups, namely google-appengine-python http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-python and google-appengine-java http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java. The google-appengine-go https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/google-appengine-go discussion group will continue to remain open for at least as long as the Go runtime is in experimental status. The Python and Java groups will be placed into read-only on March 5th, 2012. While answering technical questions, we will begin nudging developers to ask their questions on Stack Overflow using the google-app-engine tag http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/google-app-engine.Please let us know if there are any questions or concerns about this announcement.Happy coding!- Ikai Lan, on behalf of the App Engine team* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-appengine/Z6XN_64cA7w/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/CADexNdTYYvendOEMj%2BPa8y%3DY3_v_-9dc18CpZ9SG5uVDmdn6Lw%40mail.gmail.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/CADexNdTYYvendOEMj%2BPa8y%3DY3_v_-9dc18CpZ9SG5uVDmdn6Lw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/CAE46Be8BV93wBs%2BWa2s5v%3Dn-YdVgrwPOtTJjAe9Db-GOE03zxw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
I want for real On Oct 4, 2013 6:06 AM, rcp rc.phe...@gmail.com wrote: -1 from an 'enthusiast programmer'; SO considers me un-washed despite my relentless effort to be concise and precise. On Monday, February 6, 2012 6:14:54 PM UTC-8, Ikai Lan wrote: *Hi App Engine Developers,In the last few years, the QA website Stack Overflow http://www.stackoverflow.com/ has become an invaluable tool for developer communities. We’re pleased to announce that we are migrating to Stack Overflow as the official channel for answering development questions about Google App Engine.The google-appengine http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine group will remain open for general discussions and announcements that are better suited for the groups format.We believe that Stack Overflow is better platform for sharing knowledge and answering support questions given its larger community, de-duping of similar questions and contributor reputation system. We also expect that App Engine developers will be able to contribute and benefit from the wider range of language-related information not specific to App Engine. In addition, due to Stack Overflow’s use of OpenID for account management, developers will not need to create a new account to participate in the discussion - developers will be able to log in with any of the identity providers supported by Stack Overflow, including Google Accounts.We plan on deprecating the App Engine language-specific groups, namely google-appengine-python http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-python and google-appengine-java http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java. The google-appengine-go https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/google-appengine-go discussion group will continue to remain open for at least as long as the Go runtime is in experimental status. The Python and Java groups will be placed into read-only on March 5th, 2012. While answering technical questions, we will begin nudging developers to ask their questions on Stack Overflow using the google-app-engine tag http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/google-app-engine.Please let us know if there are any questions or concerns about this announcement.Happy coding!- Ikai Lan, on behalf of the App Engine team* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-appengine/Z6XN_64cA7w/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/CADexNdTYYvendOEMj%2BPa8y%3DY3_v_-9dc18CpZ9SG5uVDmdn6Lw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Clark Van Oyen cl...@countable.ca wrote: Great idea! Agreed, on it being a great thing that we can recursively define priorities within an established set of priorities in order to arrive at one deterministic path :) Best of luck in your new job! I believe the proper wording is break a leg (I don't have any theatrical background myself, but 2nd-hand that's how I heard it:-). Alex On Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:13:29 UTC-8, Alex Martelli wrote: Hi Clark, right -- *some* questions are system administration, so my plan (and I'm pushing as hard as I can to make this happen soon!) is to use tag google-cloud-platform on ServerFault for sysadm Qs (whether on GAE or any other parts of GCP). I just recently (2 months, inc. holidays c) switched jobs within Google to 1:many tech support for cloud, and so far I've been drinking from the firehose listening and learning more than _doing_, but, the bias for action is taking over:-), but, I hope to make this happen ASAP (the great things about priorities is that you can always juggle them around to justify spending your time on what you think needs to be done *right now*...!-). Thanks, Alex On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 12:10:14 PM UTC-8, Clark Van Oyen wrote: I'm not having a lot of luck getting a response on SO, since apparently not all App Engine discussions are related to programming... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28285552/being- flooded-with-traffic-and-the-remote-ip-reported-in-app- engine-logs-as-sta?noredirect=1#comment44925358_28285552 http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fstackoverflow.com%2Fquestions%2F28285552%2Fbeing-flooded-with-traffic-and-the-remote-ip-reported-in-app-engine-logs-as-sta%3Fnoredirect%3D1%23comment44925358_28285552sa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNG2MgVFHR0Zu4dzjEvFKcUzGvtI3g On Monday, 6 February 2012 18:14:54 UTC-8, Ikai Lan wrote: *Hi App Engine Developers,In the last few years, the QA website Stack Overflow http://www.stackoverflow.com/ has become an invaluable tool for developer communities. We’re pleased to announce that we are migrating to Stack Overflow as the official channel for answering development questions about Google App Engine.The google-appengine http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine group will remain open for general discussions and announcements that are better suited for the groups format.We believe that Stack Overflow is better platform for sharing knowledge and answering support questions given its larger community, de-duping of similar questions and contributor reputation system. We also expect that App Engine developers will be able to contribute and benefit from the wider range of language-related information not specific to App Engine. In addition, due to Stack Overflow’s use of OpenID for account management, developers will not need to create a new account to participate in the discussion - developers will be able to log in with any of the identity providers supported by Stack Overflow, including Google Accounts.We plan on deprecating the App Engine language-specific groups, namely google-appengine-python http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-python and google-appengine-java http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java. The google-appengine-go https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/google-appengine-go discussion group will continue to remain open for at least as long as the Go runtime is in experimental status. The Python and Java groups will be placed into read-only on March 5th, 2012. While answering technical questions, we will begin nudging developers to ask their questions on Stack Overflow using the google-app-engine tag http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/google-app-engine.Please let us know if there are any questions or concerns about this announcement.Happy coding!- Ikai Lan, on behalf of the App Engine team* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/b0f2824b-c59e-4e58-ae4e-bec52164d9bd%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/b0f2824b-c59e-4e58-ae4e-bec52164d9bd%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Aayush Anand aayushis...@gmail.com wrote: hi.. I am an aspirant of GSOC '14. I did register as student and submitted my proposal. But yesterday when i tried to login, I found that my access is suspended only to GSOC. I was redirected to the page saying If you've been redirected to this page from a particular product, it means that your access to this product has been suspended. (https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/40039?p=ah) i talked with google voice at GSOC forum and then from Melange developers. Melange developers informed me that Melange uses App Engine for user authentication and management at the same time i was working to fix a bug for the organisation for whom i would like to work, on other tabs. This bug was relate to indifferent behavior on session out. to recreate that bug i was deleting the cookies again and again. after some time when i went back to my GSOC page and refereshed it, i was redirected to that page saying my access is suspended. and from then i am facing this problem. Considering that the Google Summer of Code deadline has already passed, the following advice is probably too little too late. If anyone else finds themselves in the same predicament though, the better option would be to edit the cookies directly using a cookie manager (depending on your browser, you can download different plugins for this) instead of repeatedly deleting them. That way, you can set up a predictable testing environment and rule out possible confounding factors. If you still run into the automated block problem, try re-accessing the page from a computer with a different IP address (and preferably from an entirely different network). - -Vinny P Technology Media Advisor Chicago, IL App Engine Code Samples: http://www.learntogoogleit.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
I'm not a big fan of SO. Saludos. Moisés Belchín. 2013/6/25 Hooman Korasani hou...@venuscloud.com -1 Stackoverflow has a very strict FAQ rules, and questions are easily closed. I don't think it is a good idea to move support to that platform. On Tuesday, 7 February 2012 02:14:54 UTC, Ikai Lan wrote: *Hi App Engine Developers, In the last few years, the QA website Stack Overflowhttp://www.stackoverflow.com/has become an invaluable tool for developer communities. We’re pleased to announce that we are migrating to Stack Overflow as the official channel for answering development questions about Google App Engine.The google-appengine http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine group will remain open for general discussions and announcements that are better suited for the groups format. We believe that Stack Overflow is better platform for sharing knowledge and answering support questions given its larger community, de-duping of similar questions and contributor reputation system. We also expect that App Engine developers will be able to contribute and benefit from the wider range of language-related information not specific to App Engine. In addition, due to Stack Overflow’s use of OpenID for account management, developers will not need to create a new account to participate in the discussion - developers will be able to log in with any of the identity providers supported by Stack Overflow, including Google Accounts. We plan on deprecating the App Engine language-specific groups, namely google-appengine-pythonhttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-pythonand google-appengine-javahttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java. The google-appengine-gohttps://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/google-appengine-godiscussion group will continue to remain open for at least as long as the Go runtime is in experimental status. The Python and Java groups will be placed into read-only on March 5th, 2012. While answering technical questions, we will begin nudging developers to ask their questions on Stack Overflow using the google-app-engine taghttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/google-app-engine . Please let us know if there are any questions or concerns about this announcement. Happy coding! - Ikai Lan, on behalf of the App Engine team* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
-1 for SO. -Aswath On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Moises Belchin moisesbelc...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not a big fan of SO. Saludos. Moisés Belchín. 2013/6/25 Hooman Korasani hou...@venuscloud.com -1 Stackoverflow has a very strict FAQ rules, and questions are easily closed. I don't think it is a good idea to move support to that platform. On Tuesday, 7 February 2012 02:14:54 UTC, Ikai Lan wrote: *Hi App Engine Developers, In the last few years, the QA website Stack Overflowhttp://www.stackoverflow.com/has become an invaluable tool for developer communities. We’re pleased to announce that we are migrating to Stack Overflow as the official channel for answering development questions about Google App Engine.The google-appengine http://groups.google.com/group/google-appenginegroup will remain open for general discussions and announcements that are better suited for the groups format. We believe that Stack Overflow is better platform for sharing knowledge and answering support questions given its larger community, de-duping of similar questions and contributor reputation system. We also expect that App Engine developers will be able to contribute and benefit from the wider range of language-related information not specific to App Engine. In addition, due to Stack Overflow’s use of OpenID for account management, developers will not need to create a new account to participate in the discussion - developers will be able to log in with any of the identity providers supported by Stack Overflow, including Google Accounts. We plan on deprecating the App Engine language-specific groups, namely google-appengine-pythonhttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-pythonand google-appengine-javahttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java. The google-appengine-gohttps://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/google-appengine-godiscussion group will continue to remain open for at least as long as the Go runtime is in experimental status. The Python and Java groups will be placed into read-only on March 5th, 2012. While answering technical questions, we will begin nudging developers to ask their questions on Stack Overflow using the google-app-engine taghttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/google-app-engine . Please let us know if there are any questions or concerns about this announcement. Happy coding! - Ikai Lan, on behalf of the App Engine team* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
-1 for reviving a 1.5-year-old thread. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Agree... PK www.gae123.com On June 26, 2013 at 7:35:05 AM, Jeff Schnitzer (j...@infohazard.org) wrote: -1 for reviving a 1.5-year-old thread. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
aside from going unanswered, there's no way to query about generalized system status, which happens quite often. On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 4:47 PM, payala ppay...@gmail.com wrote: This would be fine if someone answered questions, I find appengine related questions on stackoverflow have a pretty high chance to go unanswered if they are not dead-simple. El martes, 7 de febrero de 2012 03:14:54 UTC+1, Ikai Lan escribió: *Hi App Engine Developers, In the last few years, the QA website Stack Overflowhttp://www.stackoverflow.com/has become an invaluable tool for developer communities. We’re pleased to announce that we are migrating to Stack Overflow as the official channel for answering development questions about Google App Engine.The google-appengine http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine group will remain open for general discussions and announcements that are better suited for the groups format. We believe that Stack Overflow is better platform for sharing knowledge and answering support questions given its larger community, de-duping of similar questions and contributor reputation system. We also expect that App Engine developers will be able to contribute and benefit from the wider range of language-related information not specific to App Engine. In addition, due to Stack Overflow’s use of OpenID for account management, developers will not need to create a new account to participate in the discussion - developers will be able to log in with any of the identity providers supported by Stack Overflow, including Google Accounts. We plan on deprecating the App Engine language-specific groups, namely google-appengine-pythonhttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-pythonand google-appengine-javahttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java. The google-appengine-gohttps://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/google-appengine-godiscussion group will continue to remain open for at least as long as the Go runtime is in experimental status. The Python and Java groups will be placed into read-only on March 5th, 2012. While answering technical questions, we will begin nudging developers to ask their questions on Stack Overflow using the google-app-engine taghttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/google-app-engine . Please let us know if there are any questions or concerns about this announcement. Happy coding! - Ikai Lan, on behalf of the App Engine team* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Too late On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 11:02:21 PM UTC+2, j wrote: -1 for moving to stackoverflow. Why do we need another site? I have been using Google groups for years, no issues so far. What do we get by moving to stakoverflow? Does it work on Android tablet or something else that we need to know that is so special about it? On Monday, February 13, 2012 3:49:47 PM UTC-5, Ikai Lan wrote: Supercobra, I share your concerns about streamlining the user experience. As it stands, the user experience isn't great: you have groups, StackOverflow, billing issues forms, abuse forms, the public issues tracker, Google Groups, Reddit ... I could probably go on. The move to StackOverflow isn't necessarily making things more complicated, as our documentation will to updated to reflect that it is the primary destination for code questions - and in exchange, the Python/Java groups will be placed into read-only. We've done this with other products at Google such as Android and experienced overwhelming success - not only will App Engine Java questions be exposed to developers following App Engine, they will also be exposed to tens of thousands of Java developers on StackOverflow. And the tooling! The tooling will allow us to identify where we need better learning resources, or where the product needs improvements. We could certainly build this ourselves, but that detracts from our ability to answer questions, launch features, and improve the documentation. There are always tradeoffs in those scenarios. Hope this helps, -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.comwrote: Hi Mos, Google is absolutely committed to App Engine and part of the reason we are moving the Java/Python groups to StackOverflow is to have better, more consolidated answers to questions. While it might be possible for Google to build its own tool tailed to questions and answers, we really like StackOverflow in part because it is where a lot of developers go in general to get answers to questions. As I've talked about on this group before, we currently have essentially 2 support options: Premier Accounts (for $500/month) or StackOverflow / Groups where the community can support it and Googlers will sometimes answer questions. The first has an SLA and the second does not. So, in response to Google investing in better enterprise support, I hope that answers the question. In terms of the concern that this means we are trying to deprecate App Engine. I can honestly and frankly say that there are no plans to do so, quite the opposite, we are growing! Right now we are trying to consolidate a variety of places to get answers into 1 to improve how people get questions answered. We are keeping this group (google-appengine) because it is a great place for discussions, but when it comes to asking a question and getting an answer, we believe StackOverflow is a product more suited to do this. Johan and Ikai both work on the App Engine team so their word is as official as mine, but I figured hearing it from more people might help. Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine PS - Nice app Andrin, I'm already signed up! :) On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Mos mosa...@googlemail.com wrote: +111 absolute agreement; I would like to hear an official statement from Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding adequate support options). Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to burn. It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet. If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented StackOverflow for Google-Products would be ready in three month from now. And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based StackOverflow, that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood? That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product. I hope I'm wrong On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes superco...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places and subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard time knowing about this. App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use. Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
-1 for moving to stackoverflow. Why do we need another site? I have been using Google groups for years, no issues so far. What do we get by moving to stakoverflow? Does it work on Android tablet or something else that we need to know that is so special about it? On Monday, February 13, 2012 3:49:47 PM UTC-5, Ikai Lan wrote: Supercobra, I share your concerns about streamlining the user experience. As it stands, the user experience isn't great: you have groups, StackOverflow, billing issues forms, abuse forms, the public issues tracker, Google Groups, Reddit ... I could probably go on. The move to StackOverflow isn't necessarily making things more complicated, as our documentation will to updated to reflect that it is the primary destination for code questions - and in exchange, the Python/Java groups will be placed into read-only. We've done this with other products at Google such as Android and experienced overwhelming success - not only will App Engine Java questions be exposed to developers following App Engine, they will also be exposed to tens of thousands of Java developers on StackOverflow. And the tooling! The tooling will allow us to identify where we need better learning resources, or where the product needs improvements. We could certainly build this ourselves, but that detracts from our ability to answer questions, launch features, and improve the documentation. There are always tradeoffs in those scenarios. Hope this helps, -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.comwrote: Hi Mos, Google is absolutely committed to App Engine and part of the reason we are moving the Java/Python groups to StackOverflow is to have better, more consolidated answers to questions. While it might be possible for Google to build its own tool tailed to questions and answers, we really like StackOverflow in part because it is where a lot of developers go in general to get answers to questions. As I've talked about on this group before, we currently have essentially 2 support options: Premier Accounts (for $500/month) or StackOverflow / Groups where the community can support it and Googlers will sometimes answer questions. The first has an SLA and the second does not. So, in response to Google investing in better enterprise support, I hope that answers the question. In terms of the concern that this means we are trying to deprecate App Engine. I can honestly and frankly say that there are no plans to do so, quite the opposite, we are growing! Right now we are trying to consolidate a variety of places to get answers into 1 to improve how people get questions answered. We are keeping this group (google-appengine) because it is a great place for discussions, but when it comes to asking a question and getting an answer, we believe StackOverflow is a product more suited to do this. Johan and Ikai both work on the App Engine team so their word is as official as mine, but I figured hearing it from more people might help. Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine PS - Nice app Andrin, I'm already signed up! :) On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Mos mosa...@googlemail.com wrote: +111 absolute agreement; I would like to hear an official statement from Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding adequate support options). Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to burn. It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet. If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented StackOverflow for Google-Products would be ready in three month from now. And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based StackOverflow, that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood? That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product. I hope I'm wrong On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes superco...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places and subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard time knowing about this. App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use. Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available time, Google Engineers help too. Google App Engine team says, 'well support
RE: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Hi Daniel, Thanks for your feedback, I understand your concerns about finding the right support channel when your project overlap more than one Google Technology and I agree that's something that should be improved. Until now we relied on silo'ed Google groups (per language, per technologies) and part of the move to Stack Overflow is to try to find a solution to scale community support more easily for App Engine development questions that span across multiple technologies. By using multiple tags for their questions, developers are now able to target more than one community: you can see an example of related tags on the dedicated page for each tags: http://stackoverflow.com/tags/google-app-engine/topusers python× 3541 java× 2035 gae-datastore× 1084 django× 644 gwt× 387 http://stackoverflow.com/tags/gwt/topusers java× 2152 javascript× 446 google-app-engine× 387 eclipse× 325 css× 256 http://stackoverflow.com/tags/google-maps/topusers javascript× 2196 android× 1383 google-maps-api-3× 1273 jquery× 595 google× 532 http://stackoverflow.com/tags/android/topusers java× 18131 android-layout× 5143 listview× 4293 eclipse× 3615 sqlite× 3484 Hope that answers some of your concerns about the move. On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Daniel Florey daniel.flo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've been thinking about the decision to move to SO for some more time and I'd like to give a more general feedback. We are developing apps for the Google ecosystem using the Google dev stack (gwt, gae, galgwt, gdata api, google apps marketplace, chrome webstore etc.) See: http://www.floreysoft.net/download/SS377-1109_floreysoft_v1.pdf Beside our premier account for the apps running on our own domain we also have ~2000 clients running dedicated installations of our tools on app engine, many of them with billing enabled. So most of our generated revenue goes directly to the GAE team ;-) As we are using many tools from Google, not just GAE, my perspective on the decision to move to SO may be slightly different than the GAE team's point of view: In my daily life I already have to use different channels to get support from Google: - For GAE related issues I've to use the Enterprise Support Portal using Salesforce.com - Using ~20 Google groups for the other api's/projects - Issue trackers for the different projects - Mail/Chat with Google Dev Advocates - Blogs/Google+ In general the support is good as most developers are very responsive. My main concern is that the different teams / projects are working quite isolated. Working in smaller teams of course is more efficient and more fun, but when it comes to support I would prefer a single point of contact. It would be perfect to be able to address any issue to the Enterprise Portal (or any other channel) and to trigger some kind of internal dispatch to the proper team. Let me give you an example: We are using the Google Java Stack (Google Plugin/GWT/GAE) to create our apps for multiple locales/browsers, GWT generates dozens of permutations of our app. As GAE only supports 150mb project size, we are hitting this limit - as you have to divide this limit by the number of permutations to get the real max app size. It would be possible to e.g. serve gwt fragments from the blobstore, but this would involve all the different teams. I've been totally lost to find the appropriate channel to communicate this issue as every tool itself is working fine, just the combination of them causes the pain. I wonder if there is anybody responsible for taking care of the big picture of the google dev tools. There are some indicators that there may be someone with the big plan (e.g. new api console, streamlined documentation), but there are many overlapping developments and new projects not really linked into each other (e.g. gitkit/appengine user service) that I'm still confused. In general decisions regarding how to provide support should be made on a higher level. If Google decides to use SO as the primary channel for answering questions of developers, at least all projects providing dev tools should use SO. Don't get me wrong: I still believe that the most brilliant minds are working for Google, but as Google rapidly grows, I have the feeling that especially the enterprise support is not yet adequate...and deciding on a per-team basis which channels to establish is the wrong move IMO. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/UpPZP2C20agJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Johan Euphrosine (proppy) Developer Programs Engineer Google Developer Relations --
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
+111 absolute agreement; I would like to hear an official statement from Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding adequate support options). Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to burn. It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet. If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented StackOverflow for Google-Products would be ready in three month from now. And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based StackOverflow, that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood? That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product. I hope I'm wrong On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes superco...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places and subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard time knowing about this. App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use. Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available time, Google Engineers help too. Google App Engine team says, 'well support is best effort around here or get a Premier Account'. I think this is not the way to do it. Together with Google engineers, WE make Google products what they are because of our deep involvement. This lack of support is general across most Google products. Our company uses many Google products that are now business critical for us: Google Apps for Business, Checkout, Analytics, and more. With all of those, if you have a problem, well, it's your problem because you cannot contact anyone. So is it hard to provide good support? Not for every company. We use Amazon S3 and Cloud Service. We are a little tiny customers for them. The other day we had a problem that brought down our SaaS app. Emergency. What do you do when that happens? Well, simple. On Amazon AWS console, click on 'call me I need help now' button and a human calls you within a minute. So Google: use a tiny portion of the immense net revenue to add more community and product support engineers. I bet that will improve the bottom line even further. One last BIG concern. One of the things that first get dropped when a product is going to be retired (i.e. killed) is developer and community support. Java and Python appengine discussion groups are being deprecated and dev support is moved to Stack Overflow. That does not sound like App Engine is going forward to me. More like a huge red flag. Is App Engine business in danger? Telling Google users to use Stack Overflow is the equivalent of displaying a big sign on Google Groups home page saying use Stack Overflow, it's much better than what we have. As other users suggested, Google should improve this forum software and make it work more like Stack Overflow and not move there... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/-CMqxkvEya4J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
About Google using StackOverflow and not building it itself: If you are working at Google Scale, you don't build StackOverflow in 3 months. If you are a StartUp, you build a primitive version of StackOverflow in a day and launch. If you are working at Google it will take you at least 12 month to launch something like StackOverflow. Google's Product are so well implemented, tested, productionized and legally sound that it just takes a shit load of time getting something out of the door. What's wrong with using well established, well working 3rd party software? About long time commitment: GAE is out of beta. This means long-time commitment. See: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2011/11/app-engine-160-out-of-preview-release.html Quote: *Google is making a long term investment in App Engine!* Cheers, -Andrin On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Mos mosa...@googlemail.com wrote: +111 absolute agreement; I would like to hear an official statement from Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding adequate support options). Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to burn. It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet. If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented StackOverflow for Google-Products would be ready in three month from now. And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based StackOverflow, that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood? That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product. I hope I'm wrong On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes superco...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places and subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard time knowing about this. App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use. Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available time, Google Engineers help too. Google App Engine team says, 'well support is best effort around here or get a Premier Account'. I think this is not the way to do it. Together with Google engineers, WE make Google products what they are because of our deep involvement. This lack of support is general across most Google products. Our company uses many Google products that are now business critical for us: Google Apps for Business, Checkout, Analytics, and more. With all of those, if you have a problem, well, it's your problem because you cannot contact anyone. So is it hard to provide good support? Not for every company. We use Amazon S3 and Cloud Service. We are a little tiny customers for them. The other day we had a problem that brought down our SaaS app. Emergency. What do you do when that happens? Well, simple. On Amazon AWS console, click on 'call me I need help now' button and a human calls you within a minute. So Google: use a tiny portion of the immense net revenue to add more community and product support engineers. I bet that will improve the bottom line even further. One last BIG concern. One of the things that first get dropped when a product is going to be retired (i.e. killed) is developer and community support. Java and Python appengine discussion groups are being deprecated and dev support is moved to Stack Overflow. That does not sound like App Engine is going forward to me. More like a huge red flag. Is App Engine business in danger? Telling Google users to use Stack Overflow is the equivalent of displaying a big sign on Google Groups home page saying use Stack Overflow, it's much better than what we have. As other users suggested, Google should improve this forum software and make it work more like Stack Overflow and not move there... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/-CMqxkvEya4J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
What's wrong with using well established, well working 3rd party software? Check this thread for arguments. Summary: - People need to check 2 different places/systems to find the official GAE support-groups (confusing; especially for newcomers) - Getting answers from Google stuff directly will be even worse because it's outsourced and not owned by Google - Faith in GAE is reduced if the official support forums are outsourced to the community. - Stackoverflow is a good format for QA but bad if there are discussions about Java or Python regarding Features/Roadmaps/Bug-Discussions/Reminder/Collaboration or what ever. - Google is not able to control the support workflow anymore (usually they like to have everything important in their influence, don't they?) The advantage of StackOverflow is the better structure for question and answers. That's for sure! But as people suggested, Google could improve this forum and make it a little more StackOverflowish. (I don't believe this would take 12 month, even in a big company like Google. It's still moving very fast, isn't it?) Or stay with the forum, add a FAQ-Posting for recurring questions and always link to StackOverflow if the answer is there. Many other software support forums are doing it this way And by the way: Most people that have a GAE problem or question are searching for it on Google. If the answer is on StackOverflow they get it. Mostly ranked higher then these forum postings. I don't think there is a big problem with redundant questions on this forum. The problem seems to be another one Cheers Mos On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg and...@miumeet.comwrote: About Google using StackOverflow and not building it itself: If you are working at Google Scale, you don't build StackOverflow in 3 months. If you are a StartUp, you build a primitive version of StackOverflow in a day and launch. If you are working at Google it will take you at least 12 month to launch something like StackOverflow. Google's Product are so well implemented, tested, productionized and legally sound that it just takes a shit load of time getting something out of the door. What's wrong with using well established, well working 3rd party software? About long time commitment: GAE is out of beta. This means long-time commitment. See: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2011/11/app-engine-160-out-of-preview-release.html Quote: *Google is making a long term investment in App Engine!* Cheers, -Andrin On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Mos mosa...@googlemail.com wrote: +111 absolute agreement; I would like to hear an official statement from Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding adequate support options). Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to burn. It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet. If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented StackOverflow for Google-Products would be ready in three month from now. And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based StackOverflow, that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood? That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product. I hope I'm wrong On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes superco...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places and subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard time knowing about this. App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use. Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available time, Google Engineers help too. Google App Engine team says, 'well support is best effort around here or get a Premier Account'. I think this is not the way to do it. Together with Google engineers, WE make Google products what they are because of our deep involvement. This lack of support is general across most Google products. Our company uses many Google products that are now business critical for us: Google Apps for Business, Checkout, Analytics, and more. With all of those, if you have a problem, well, it's your problem because you cannot contact anyone. So is it hard to provide good support? Not for every company. We use Amazon S3 and Cloud Service. We are a little tiny customers for them. The other day we had a problem that brought down our SaaS app. Emergency. What do you do when that happens? Well, simple. On
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Hi Mos, Google is absolutely committed to App Engine and part of the reason we are moving the Java/Python groups to StackOverflow is to have better, more consolidated answers to questions. While it might be possible for Google to build its own tool tailed to questions and answers, we really like StackOverflow in part because it is where a lot of developers go in general to get answers to questions. As I've talked about on this group before, we currently have essentially 2 support options: Premier Accounts (for $500/month) or StackOverflow / Groups where the community can support it and Googlers will sometimes answer questions. The first has an SLA and the second does not. So, in response to Google investing in better enterprise support, I hope that answers the question. In terms of the concern that this means we are trying to deprecate App Engine. I can honestly and frankly say that there are no plans to do so, quite the opposite, we are growing! Right now we are trying to consolidate a variety of places to get answers into 1 to improve how people get questions answered. We are keeping this group (google-appengine) because it is a great place for discussions, but when it comes to asking a question and getting an answer, we believe StackOverflow is a product more suited to do this. Johan and Ikai both work on the App Engine team so their word is as official as mine, but I figured hearing it from more people might help. Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine PS - Nice app Andrin, I'm already signed up! :) On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Mos mosa...@googlemail.com wrote: +111 absolute agreement; I would like to hear an official statement from Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding adequate support options). Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to burn. It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet. If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented StackOverflow for Google-Products would be ready in three month from now. And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based StackOverflow, that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood? That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product. I hope I'm wrong On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes superco...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places and subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard time knowing about this. App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use. Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available time, Google Engineers help too. Google App Engine team says, 'well support is best effort around here or get a Premier Account'. I think this is not the way to do it. Together with Google engineers, WE make Google products what they are because of our deep involvement. This lack of support is general across most Google products. Our company uses many Google products that are now business critical for us: Google Apps for Business, Checkout, Analytics, and more. With all of those, if you have a problem, well, it's your problem because you cannot contact anyone. So is it hard to provide good support? Not for every company. We use Amazon S3 and Cloud Service. We are a little tiny customers for them. The other day we had a problem that brought down our SaaS app. Emergency. What do you do when that happens? Well, simple. On Amazon AWS console, click on 'call me I need help now' button and a human calls you within a minute. So Google: use a tiny portion of the immense net revenue to add more community and product support engineers. I bet that will improve the bottom line even further. One last BIG concern. One of the things that first get dropped when a product is going to be retired (i.e. killed) is developer and community support. Java and Python appengine discussion groups are being deprecated and dev support is moved to Stack Overflow. That does not sound like App Engine is going forward to me. More like a huge red flag. Is App Engine business in danger? Telling Google users to use Stack Overflow is the equivalent of displaying a big sign on Google Groups home page saying use Stack Overflow, it's much better than what we have. As other users suggested, Google should improve this forum software and make it work more like Stack Overflow and not
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Supercobra, I share your concerns about streamlining the user experience. As it stands, the user experience isn't great: you have groups, StackOverflow, billing issues forms, abuse forms, the public issues tracker, Google Groups, Reddit ... I could probably go on. The move to StackOverflow isn't necessarily making things more complicated, as our documentation will to updated to reflect that it is the primary destination for code questions - and in exchange, the Python/Java groups will be placed into read-only. We've done this with other products at Google such as Android and experienced overwhelming success - not only will App Engine Java questions be exposed to developers following App Engine, they will also be exposed to tens of thousands of Java developers on StackOverflow. And the tooling! The tooling will allow us to identify where we need better learning resources, or where the product needs improvements. We could certainly build this ourselves, but that detracts from our ability to answer questions, launch features, and improve the documentation. There are always tradeoffs in those scenarios. Hope this helps, -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.comwrote: Hi Mos, Google is absolutely committed to App Engine and part of the reason we are moving the Java/Python groups to StackOverflow is to have better, more consolidated answers to questions. While it might be possible for Google to build its own tool tailed to questions and answers, we really like StackOverflow in part because it is where a lot of developers go in general to get answers to questions. As I've talked about on this group before, we currently have essentially 2 support options: Premier Accounts (for $500/month) or StackOverflow / Groups where the community can support it and Googlers will sometimes answer questions. The first has an SLA and the second does not. So, in response to Google investing in better enterprise support, I hope that answers the question. In terms of the concern that this means we are trying to deprecate App Engine. I can honestly and frankly say that there are no plans to do so, quite the opposite, we are growing! Right now we are trying to consolidate a variety of places to get answers into 1 to improve how people get questions answered. We are keeping this group (google-appengine) because it is a great place for discussions, but when it comes to asking a question and getting an answer, we believe StackOverflow is a product more suited to do this. Johan and Ikai both work on the App Engine team so their word is as official as mine, but I figured hearing it from more people might help. Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine PS - Nice app Andrin, I'm already signed up! :) On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Mos mosa...@googlemail.com wrote: +111 absolute agreement; I would like to hear an official statement from Google regarding long time commitment to GAE ( incl. plans regarding adequate support options). Google, has the best developers in the world. It has so much money to burn. It has the best internet-infrastructure on this planet. If Google would like, I'm sure a self implemented StackOverflow for Google-Products would be ready in three month from now. And now they decide to outsource this one to the .NET based StackOverflow, that just lost his founder and brain Jeff Atwood? That really doesn't look like Google has any plans to invest in better enterprise support or make GAE a first class Google product. I hope I'm wrong On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Supercobra Thatbytes superco...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a terrible idea because it makes people check 2 places and subscribe to 2 boards. Newcomers to this discussion will have a hard time knowing about this. App Engine team does put enough resources for community and customer support. I have a paid app and I cannot get my simple billing questions answered. In the billing interface, there is no link or phone # to use. Just a link to this forum... unless we pay become a Premier Account for $500 / month but first we need to talk to the sales team. Really? So desperate users in need of urgent help post questions on forums and if they make enough noise and show enough distress, others users help them and sometimes, in with their immense goodwill and too little available time, Google Engineers help too. Google App Engine team says, 'well support is best effort around here or get a Premier Account'. I think this is not the way to do it. Together with Google engineers, WE make Google products what they are because of our deep involvement. This lack of support is general across most Google products. Our company uses many Google products that are now business critical for us: Google Apps for Business, Checkout, Analytics, and more. With all of
RE: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Ikai, Supercobra I want to be in the meeting where you present to your manager the reaction to the news of the move to StackOverflow. Well, over all I think the most of the community is behind it, but Supercobra, and Brandon, the guy in the mermaid costume, have expressed some concerns Really? Did you ask G.I. Joe and Batman what they think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
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“Well, over all I think the most of the community is behind it, but Supercobra, and Brandon, the guy in the mermaid costume, have expressed some concerns” “Really? Did you ask G.I. Joe and Batman what they think?“ supercobra's opinion is more important than batman's, because batman can't code all that well anyway -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
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Am I the only one using the new Groups interface?? Right now everything is perfect for me as I can see at first sight how many new topics have been discussed in all my ~20 Google related groups. Is there a similar view in SO? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/0WT5S-4UzMQJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
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Hey guys *Short version:* Problem solved, just subscribe to: google-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com You will receive every new question answer in your favorite email client. *Long version:* I like stackoverflow when I'm googling, but I prefer gmail in my workflow for being part of the community. So I spent the afternoon hacking a tool together that crawls the rss feeds of StackOverflow every 5 minutes and checks whats new and mails it out. This could be done for any StackOverflow tag, I built a generic tool: http://stack-over-mail.appspot.com Of course it runs on AppEngine. It's running on free quota, so until someone sponsors it, please dont subscribe to super heavy tags like java... I'll open-source the source code soonish. Cheers, -Andrin On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM, MLTrim michele.trimar...@gmail.comwrote: I'm a Stack Overflow user and I really appreciate this move; thank you for this. For the reluctant of this change, fiddle with Stack Overflow for a couple of weeks and you'll be addicted. Michele [Systempuntoout] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
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Oh one more thing: You are on the bleeding edge if you subscribe. There are no unittests. I'm adding in-reply-to references headers now. However in AppEngine I dont know the Message-ID, so I'm just going to use the stackoverflow id. Will that help? Does anyone know? On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg and...@miumeet.comwrote: Hey guys *Short version:* Problem solved, just subscribe to: google-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com You will receive every new question answer in your favorite email client. *Long version:* I like stackoverflow when I'm googling, but I prefer gmail in my workflow for being part of the community. So I spent the afternoon hacking a tool together that crawls the rss feeds of StackOverflow every 5 minutes and checks whats new and mails it out. This could be done for any StackOverflow tag, I built a generic tool: http://stack-over-mail.appspot.com Of course it runs on AppEngine. It's running on free quota, so until someone sponsors it, please dont subscribe to super heavy tags like java... I'll open-source the source code soonish. Cheers, -Andrin On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM, MLTrim michele.trimar...@gmail.comwrote: I'm a Stack Overflow user and I really appreciate this move; thank you for this. For the reluctant of this change, fiddle with Stack Overflow for a couple of weeks and you'll be addicted. Michele [Systempuntoout] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
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andrin this looks and sounds amazing! thx On Feb 10, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Andrin von Rechenberg wrote: Oh one more thing: You are on the bleeding edge if you subscribe. There are no unittests. I'm adding in-reply-to references headers now. However in AppEngine I dont know the Message-ID, so I'm just going to use the stackoverflow id. Will that help? Does anyone know? On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg and...@miumeet.com wrote: Hey guys Short version: Problem solved, just subscribe to: google-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com You will receive every new question answer in your favorite email client. Long version: I like stackoverflow when I'm googling, but I prefer gmail in my workflow for being part of the community. So I spent the afternoon hacking a tool together that crawls the rss feeds of StackOverflow every 5 minutes and checks whats new and mails it out. This could be done for any StackOverflow tag, I built a generic tool: http://stack-over-mail.appspot.com Of course it runs on AppEngine. It's running on free quota, so until someone sponsors it, please dont subscribe to super heavy tags like java... I'll open-source the source code soonish. Cheers, -Andrin On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM, MLTrim michele.trimar...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a Stack Overflow user and I really appreciate this move; thank you for this. For the reluctant of this change, fiddle with Stack Overflow for a couple of weeks and you'll be addicted. Michele [Systempuntoout] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
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Thanks. I know that sometimes the message order is screwed up. The problem is that if a reply is posted to a question that the tool hasnt seen so far, it sends the question and the reply at the same time and the reply arrives before the question in the google groups. Typical race condition, but with email :) I will delay the sending of a reply if the tool hasn't seen the question before. But I'm off drinking with the guys now. im already late. Anyways, the problem will fix itself, once the tool knows all questions, which will be soonish I hope. Cheers, -Andrin On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Andreas a.schmi...@gmail.com wrote: andrin this looks and sounds amazing! thx On Feb 10, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Andrin von Rechenberg wrote: Oh one more thing: You are on the bleeding edge if you subscribe. There are no unittests. I'm adding in-reply-to references headers now. However in AppEngine I dont know the Message-ID, so I'm just going to use the stackoverflow id. Will that help? Does anyone know? On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg and...@miumeet.com wrote: Hey guys *Short version:* Problem solved, just subscribe to: google-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com You will receive every new question answer in your favorite email client. *Long version:* I like stackoverflow when I'm googling, but I prefer gmail in my workflow for being part of the community. So I spent the afternoon hacking a tool together that crawls the rss feeds of StackOverflow every 5 minutes and checks whats new and mails it out. This could be done for any StackOverflow tag, I built a generic tool: http://stack-over-mail.appspot.com Of course it runs on AppEngine. It's running on free quota, so until someone sponsors it, please dont subscribe to super heavy tags like java... I'll open-source the source code soonish. Cheers, -Andrin On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM, MLTrim michele.trimar...@gmail.comwrote: I'm a Stack Overflow user and I really appreciate this move; thank you for this. For the reluctant of this change, fiddle with Stack Overflow for a couple of weeks and you'll be addicted. Michele [Systempuntoout] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Great work Andrin, I just joined the group. I noticed that lots of messages are not directly related to GAE but are rather about applications running on App Engine. Time will tell if SO was the right solution for GAE languages groups. May be you could create specialized groups like google-appengine-java-stackoverf...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com :-) Thanx again. Francois -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/MGFIheucTKsJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
If there is a tag for that you can create a mail forward for it on stack-over-mail.appspot.com :) Its generic... Cheers, -Andrin On Feb 10, 2012 11:28 PM, Francois Masurel f.masu...@gmail.com wrote: Great work Andrin, I just joined the group. I noticed that lots of messages are not directly related to GAE but are rather about applications running on App Engine. Time will tell if SO was the right solution for GAE languages groups. May be you could create specialized groups like google-appengine-java-** stackoverf...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com :-) Thanx again. Francois -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/MGFIheucTKsJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Awesome! You stole what was going to be an evening project this weekend. ;) Looking forwards to checking this out. Robert On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:46, Andrin von Rechenberg and...@miumeet.com wrote: Hey guys Short version: Problem solved, just subscribe to: google-appengine-stackoverf...@googlegroups.com You will receive every new question answer in your favorite email client. Long version: I like stackoverflow when I'm googling, but I prefer gmail in my workflow for being part of the community. So I spent the afternoon hacking a tool together that crawls the rss feeds of StackOverflow every 5 minutes and checks whats new and mails it out. This could be done for any StackOverflow tag, I built a generic tool: http://stack-over-mail.appspot.com Of course it runs on AppEngine. It's running on free quota, so until someone sponsors it, please dont subscribe to super heavy tags like java... I'll open-source the source code soonish. Cheers, -Andrin On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM, MLTrim michele.trimar...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a Stack Overflow user and I really appreciate this move; thank you for this. For the reluctant of this change, fiddle with Stack Overflow for a couple of weeks and you'll be addicted. Michele [Systempuntoout] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
What's a good workflow for dealing with stackoverflow that doesn't involve going and checking on the actual website? If it doesn't show up in my inbox or RSS reader (or sometimes hackernews) it might as well not exist to me. So far getting an email digest for the google-app-engine just does not cut it. My workflow here in Gmail is reasonable - I have a list of all the appengine-related emails stored in a label, with filters that automatically star messages a few choice keywords. The stackoverflow digest not only evades my priority filter but actually forces me to read through a lengthy email. Not going to happen. Is RSS the way to go? Any special tricks? Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Hi Jeff, You can also check this Chrome extension which tracks pending questions for a list of tags: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bnnkhapbhkejookmhgpgaikfdoegkmdp Currently the lowest level of granularly for email is a digest every 15 min, monitoring tag RSS feeds with an email gateway (built on App Engine!) might be a good way to get instant email notification for individual question. There seems to be a few projects already doing that: https://github.com/jmhobbs/RSS-Engine Let us know if you would be interested by setting up something like this for the community. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: What's a good workflow for dealing with stackoverflow that doesn't involve going and checking on the actual website? If it doesn't show up in my inbox or RSS reader (or sometimes hackernews) it might as well not exist to me. So far getting an email digest for the google-app-engine just does not cut it. My workflow here in Gmail is reasonable - I have a list of all the appengine-related emails stored in a label, with filters that automatically star messages a few choice keywords. The stackoverflow digest not only evades my priority filter but actually forces me to read through a lengthy email. Not going to happen. Is RSS the way to go? Any special tricks? Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Johan Euphrosine (proppy) Developer Programs Engineer Google Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Is RSS the way to go? Any special tricks? I have my personal assistant read all the messages and flag the important ones, and occasionally post my canned response if I have posted the same thing more than once. Probably getting your PA to do the same would be good, at least until he/she can build a set of filters to do all of that for you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: Is RSS the way to go? Any special tricks? ** ** I have my personal assistant read all the messages and flag the important ones, and occasionally post my canned response if I have posted the same thing more than once. Probably getting your PA to do the same would be good, at least until he/she can build a set of filters to do all of that for you. I fear that Neptune has not blessed me with such minions. Perhaps I'm wearing the wrong outfit :-) I'll try adding the tags to Google Reader. The Chrome Plugin is interesting but it's still outside my normal workflow. I have to admit that I have mixed feelings about this particular change, although I can see the greater good. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
I fear that Neptune has not blessed me with such minions. Perhaps I'm wearing the wrong outfit :-) Do you have kids. I hear they can be trained. I have a Cat. She doesn't do so well with keyboard dexterity which is why there are so many typos in my posts on days Ivy (PA) isn't in the office -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Brandon, can you set your font back to normal? For some reason I find that my eyes tend to scan past the blue Times New Roman (that is Times, right?). I don't want to miss your messages because the more you post, the more ammunition I can collect for trolling you =P. Jeff, a few of us are using RSS to track new questions. Example feed URL: http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag?tagnames=google-app-enginesort=newest -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: ** ** I fear that Neptune has not blessed me with such minions. Perhaps I'm wearing the wrong outfit :-) ** ** Do you have kids. I hear they can be trained. I have a Cat. She doesn’t do so well with keyboard dexterity which is why there are so many typos in my posts on days Ivy (PA) isn’t in the office -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
This is actually my biggest complaint about SO as well. It is far outside my usual workflow. I also prefer the gmail groups interface. I guess I need to try the RSS stuff, but I don't currently watch any RSS feeds -- so this is outside my normal flow as well. Robert On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:02, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: What's a good workflow for dealing with stackoverflow that doesn't involve going and checking on the actual website? If it doesn't show up in my inbox or RSS reader (or sometimes hackernews) it might as well not exist to me. So far getting an email digest for the google-app-engine just does not cut it. My workflow here in Gmail is reasonable - I have a list of all the appengine-related emails stored in a label, with filters that automatically star messages a few choice keywords. The stackoverflow digest not only evades my priority filter but actually forces me to read through a lengthy email. Not going to happen. Is RSS the way to go? Any special tricks? Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
I don't mind the font, but Brandon whatever you're doing now shows a vertical bar to the left of your content exactly the same as Gmail formats quoted content. I keep going through your posts and wondering where the new text is only to realize that it is masquerading as quoted content. Example: https://img.skitch.com/20120209-nsxbc5tuqf58fmfc4nxmhxp8fs.jpg Jeff On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Ikai Lan (Google) ika...@google.com wrote: Brandon, can you set your font back to normal? For some reason I find that my eyes tend to scan past the blue Times New Roman (that is Times, right?). I don't want to miss your messages because the more you post, the more ammunition I can collect for trolling you =P. Jeff, a few of us are using RSS to track new questions. Example feed URL: http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag?tagnames=google-app-enginesort=newest -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: ** ** I fear that Neptune has not blessed me with such minions. Perhaps I'm wearing the wrong outfit :-) ** ** Do you have kids. I hear they can be trained. I have a Cat. She doesn’t do so well with keyboard dexterity which is why there are so many typos in my posts on days Ivy (PA) isn’t in the office -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
I think that might be due to: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: I don't mind the font, but Brandon whatever you're doing now shows a vertical bar to the left of your content exactly the same as Gmail formats quoted content. I keep going through your posts and wondering where the new text is only to realize that it is masquerading as quoted content. Example: https://img.skitch.com/20120209-nsxbc5tuqf58fmfc4nxmhxp8fs.jpg Jeff On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Ikai Lan (Google) ika...@google.com wrote: Brandon, can you set your font back to normal? For some reason I find that my eyes tend to scan past the blue Times New Roman (that is Times, right?). I don't want to miss your messages because the more you post, the more ammunition I can collect for trolling you =P. Jeff, a few of us are using RSS to track new questions. Example feed URL: http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag?tagnames=google-app-enginesort=newest -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: I fear that Neptune has not blessed me with such minions. Perhaps I'm wearing the wrong outfit :-) Do you have kids. I hear they can be trained. I have a Cat. She doesn’t do so well with keyboard dexterity which is why there are so many typos in my posts on days Ivy (PA) isn’t in the office -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Johan Euphrosine (proppy) Developer Programs Engineer Google Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
I also started noticing that on Brandon's posts a day or two ago I think. Robert On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 14:55, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: I don't mind the font, but Brandon whatever you're doing now shows a vertical bar to the left of your content exactly the same as Gmail formats quoted content. I keep going through your posts and wondering where the new text is only to realize that it is masquerading as quoted content. Example: https://img.skitch.com/20120209-nsxbc5tuqf58fmfc4nxmhxp8fs.jpg Jeff On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Ikai Lan (Google) ika...@google.com wrote: Brandon, can you set your font back to normal? For some reason I find that my eyes tend to scan past the blue Times New Roman (that is Times, right?). I don't want to miss your messages because the more you post, the more ammunition I can collect for trolling you =P. Jeff, a few of us are using RSS to track new questions. Example feed URL: http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag?tagnames=google-app-enginesort=newest -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: I fear that Neptune has not blessed me with such minions. Perhaps I'm wearing the wrong outfit :-) Do you have kids. I hear they can be trained. I have a Cat. She doesn’t do so well with keyboard dexterity which is why there are so many typos in my posts on days Ivy (PA) isn’t in the office -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Brandon, can you set your font back to normal? For some reason I find that my eyes tend to scan past the blue Times New Roman (that is Times, right?). I live in outlook, I'm trying to pick settings that work for all of you and for me internally... and things get messed up when I reply in HTML Mode. But the fix I had pissed off the Azure forum guys. I am considering setting up an email address just for GAE, but I like that right now it all dumps in with my other cloud forums... Oh well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Hi, I did not want to offend anyone. I just think it would make perfectly sense to improve Groups to allow users to rate posts and display the best answer on top etc. Especially if you take into account that Groups is also used as the Google Apps help system. We are using almost all Google products actively including many of the dev tools and I had the impression that since introducing G+ Google recently tried to streamline the offerings. There are also many way I can think of to improve the Groups experience by adding some G+ stuff - which is very unlikely to happen in SO. I know that the decision is made and I'll have to get used to SO, but I hope it will get reverted anytime soon - as it happend to the old new Google Help system ;-) Cheers, Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/VENxQMkpLJMJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Daniel Florey daniel.flo...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I did not want to offend anyone. Hey, you are not offending anyone: discussion is always welcome here. I just think it would make perfectly sense to improve Groups to allow users to rate posts and display the best answer on top etc. Especially if you take into account that Groups is also used as the Google Apps help system. Yes, I agree those would be very nice feature to have in groups. We are using almost all Google products actively including many of the dev tools and I had the impression that since introducing G+ Google recently tried to streamline the offerings. That's exactly what we are trying to do by doing this, streamlining the developer experience by having a place for each thing: - Want to start a technical discussion, go to the General Group - Want to ask a development question, go to Stack Overflow - Want to report a bug, go to the Public issue tracker Instead of having things scattered across multiple groups, and multiple platforms with a lot of duplicate along the way There are also many way I can think of to improve the Groups experience by adding some G+ stuff - which is very unlikely to happen in SO. In fact a Share on Google+ button recently poped on Stack Overflow :) I know that the decision is made and I'll have to get used to SO, but I hope it will get reverted anytime soon - as it happend to the old new Google Help system ;-) Indeed, things are not set in stone and encouraging people to ask development question on Stack Overflow is also motivated by the populary of the google-app-engine tag rising there. We will continue to follow up with developer tool trends, and adapt our community support to it. Hope that helps you to understand better our motivations. Cheers, Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/VENxQMkpLJMJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Johan Euphrosine (proppy) Developer Programs Engineer Google Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
I agree with Steve. On 7 February 2012 06:30, Steve unetright.thebas...@xoxy.net wrote: -1 The best way to accomplish a task in GAE (at least in the python runtime) seems to change, often significantly, over time. I find the groups to be a better format for moving targets like GAE and Stack Overflow better for more established topics. --Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Nz8BSKdG0KYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- with regards, Maxim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
I also agree with Steve. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Maxim Lacrima lacrima.ma...@gmail.comwrote: I agree with Steve. On 7 February 2012 06:30, Steve unetright.thebas...@xoxy.net wrote: -1 The best way to accomplish a task in GAE (at least in the python runtime) seems to change, often significantly, over time. I find the groups to be a better format for moving targets like GAE and Stack Overflow better for more established topics. --Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Nz8BSKdG0KYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- with regards, Maxim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Hi Steve, While I'll agree that experimental feature might be subject to change and deprecation, all the stable API [1] are here to stay and are subject to the 3 years deprecation policy [2]. Also note that Stack Overflow questions and anwers can be edited over time (like a wiki), unlike the groups where it is really difficult to surface and update interesting content without creating a new thread. [1] http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/features.html [2] http://code.google.com/appengine/terms.html On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Steve unetright.thebas...@xoxy.net wrote: -1 The best way to accomplish a task in GAE (at least in the python runtime) seems to change, often significantly, over time. I find the groups to be a better format for moving targets like GAE and Stack Overflow better for more established topics. --Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Nz8BSKdG0KYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Johan Euphrosine (proppy) Developer Programs Engineer Google Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
-1 I loved waking up every morning and check the emails from this group, i always read almost everything, not even knowing what it is about, only to learn more about GAE, future problens i will have and future solutions . As a beginner, i would lose much if the group ends. =( 2012/2/7 Johan Euphrosine pro...@google.com Hi Steve, While I'll agree that experimental feature might be subject to change and deprecation, all the stable API [1] are here to stay and are subject to the 3 years deprecation policy [2]. Also note that Stack Overflow questions and anwers can be edited over time (like a wiki), unlike the groups where it is really difficult to surface and update interesting content without creating a new thread. [1] http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/features.html [2] http://code.google.com/appengine/terms.html On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Steve unetright.thebas...@xoxy.net wrote: -1 The best way to accomplish a task in GAE (at least in the python runtime) seems to change, often significantly, over time. I find the groups to be a better format for moving targets like GAE and Stack Overflow better for more established topics. --Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Nz8BSKdG0KYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Johan Euphrosine (proppy) Developer Programs Engineer Google Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Hi Leandro, Note that we do not plan to deprecate google-appengine@ group (only the language specific groups google-appengine-python@ and google-appengine-java@ where most posts fit the stack overflow QA model). You can also follow Stack Overflow by email by subscribing to a tag [1], or with your prefered news reader through RSS [2]. Hope that helps. [1] Over the google-appengine tag and click subscribe [2] http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag/google-app-engine On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Leandro Rezende leandro.reze...@gmail.com wrote: -1 I loved waking up every morning and check the emails from this group, i always read almost everything, not even knowing what it is about, only to learn more about GAE, future problens i will have and future solutions . As a beginner, i would lose much if the group ends. =( 2012/2/7 Johan Euphrosine pro...@google.com Hi Steve, While I'll agree that experimental feature might be subject to change and deprecation, all the stable API [1] are here to stay and are subject to the 3 years deprecation policy [2]. Also note that Stack Overflow questions and anwers can be edited over time (like a wiki), unlike the groups where it is really difficult to surface and update interesting content without creating a new thread. [1] http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/features.html [2] http://code.google.com/appengine/terms.html On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Steve unetright.thebas...@xoxy.net wrote: -1 The best way to accomplish a task in GAE (at least in the python runtime) seems to change, often significantly, over time. I find the groups to be a better format for moving targets like GAE and Stack Overflow better for more established topics. --Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Nz8BSKdG0KYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Johan Euphrosine (proppy) Developer Programs Engineer Google Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Johan Euphrosine (proppy) Developer Programs Engineer Google Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
My main concern is that I will miss many of the questions answers, because I will have to manually go an check StackOverflow. Is there a way to get a daily StackOverflow digest email? Cheers, -Andrin On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Daniel Florey daniel.flo...@gmail.comwrote: I know that Google has grown to a large company and there may be many divisions not knowing each other well. But from an outside view it is really sad that instead of fixing / improving existing Google products, teams are preferring an easy workaround like moving to Stack Overflow. I've experienced this many times in different Google projects and this decision is by far not the worst example, but I don't think it is a good idea anyway. It was great when Google worked on Wave using gwt, which lead to many improvements to gwt in a short time. Why not working closely with the guys working on groups to add the missing features? I'd prefer to use all the services with my google account integrated into the navbar when working with the google stack. So in short: Eat your own dog food ;-) Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Utn2Os0vHVYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Yes, you can subscribe to google-app-engine tag by email: just over the tag name and click subscribe. More details on the following post: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/12/subscribe-to-tags-via-emai/ On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg and...@miumeet.com wrote: My main concern is that I will miss many of the questions answers, because I will have to manually go an check StackOverflow. Is there a way to get a daily StackOverflow digest email? Cheers, -Andrin On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Daniel Florey daniel.flo...@gmail.com wrote: I know that Google has grown to a large company and there may be many divisions not knowing each other well. But from an outside view it is really sad that instead of fixing / improving existing Google products, teams are preferring an easy workaround like moving to Stack Overflow. I've experienced this many times in different Google projects and this decision is by far not the worst example, but I don't think it is a good idea anyway. It was great when Google worked on Wave using gwt, which lead to many improvements to gwt in a short time. Why not working closely with the guys working on groups to add the missing features? I'd prefer to use all the services with my google account integrated into the navbar when working with the google stack. So in short: Eat your own dog food ;-) Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Utn2Os0vHVYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Johan Euphrosine (proppy) Developer Programs Engineer Google Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
If you are on IRC freenode i just made a channel where my bot spams the RSS feed of stackoverflow. Channel is #appengine-overflow ;] On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg and...@miumeet.comwrote: My main concern is that I will miss many of the questions answers, because I will have to manually go an check StackOverflow. Is there a way to get a daily StackOverflow digest email? Cheers, -Andrin -- Bart Thate programming schizophrenic - till freedom come! [!] http://jsonbot.org [!] http:// http://tinyurl.com/schizoogozerbot.org [!] http://tinyurl.com/schizoo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Hi Daniel, We observed that more and more people use Stack Overflow for asking development questions about App Engine: - 107 questions Last 7 Days - 461 questions Last 30 Days And regularly development questions are posted on the language specific groups, appear to be already answered on Stack Overflow (a quick search on a particular topic often shows Stack Overflow QAs as their first results). We believe that by focusing on 1 platform for development questions (instead of having google-appengine-java, google-appengine-python and Stack Overflow), we could create a better developer experience for App Engine by improving the quality of community support. Part of this decision is also about officially moving community support where developers are already going for their development questions, and we believe Stack Overflow is becoming the preferred destination for this. Hope that helps you to understand the rational of this decision. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Daniel Florey daniel.flo...@gmail.com wrote: I know that Google has grown to a large company and there may be many divisions not knowing each other well. But from an outside view it is really sad that instead of fixing / improving existing Google products, teams are preferring an easy workaround like moving to Stack Overflow. I've experienced this many times in different Google projects and this decision is by far not the worst example, but I don't think it is a good idea anyway. It was great when Google worked on Wave using gwt, which lead to many improvements to gwt in a short time. Why not working closely with the guys working on groups to add the missing features? I'd prefer to use all the services with my google account integrated into the navbar when working with the google stack. So in short: Eat your own dog food ;-) Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Utn2Os0vHVYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Johan Euphrosine (proppy) Developer Programs Engineer Google Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
I think it's unfair to compare groups to StackOverflow. There's still nothing better in my book for a good ol' fashioned, directed discussion. But as it turns out, groups is really less than optimal for asking questions about code. And that's okay: StackOverflow is a highly specialized tool that makes it very easy for developers to look for answers to their questions. With groups, while you're in the flow of a discussion, it might be easy to reconcile the back-and-forth as it develops to find the answers you're looking for, but the tradeoff is that it also leaves a lot of data in an intermediary, incomplete state that can be confusing to developers. Daniel, there are no easy solutions anywhere. Use an outside solution and be criticized for not drinking our own champagne. Use our own solution and be criticized for Not Invented Here syndrome. At the end of the day, the question is really this: what's best for developers? The evidence from other Google teams that have made this move indicates that officially moving community support to StackOverflow and keeping a single discussion group seems to give us the best of all worlds. It'll take a little bit of time to get used to it, but my suspicion is that people are going to be happier in the long run (it's my experience that there hasn't been a single change in the history of software that wasn't met with grumpiness). There's some really good feedback here about getting updates for questions. StackOverflow has both RSS and email notifications, but there are definitely places where their email notifications can be improved. Maybe we can rig something up to email new questions to people. Anyway, this is the sort of discussion that thrives here in the Groups, and it's why we're not shutting them down. Keep it coming! -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Daniel Florey daniel.flo...@gmail.comwrote: I know that Google has grown to a large company and there may be many divisions not knowing each other well. But from an outside view it is really sad that instead of fixing / improving existing Google products, teams are preferring an easy workaround like moving to Stack Overflow. I've experienced this many times in different Google projects and this decision is by far not the worst example, but I don't think it is a good idea anyway. It was great when Google worked on Wave using gwt, which lead to many improvements to gwt in a short time. Why not working closely with the guys working on groups to add the missing features? I'd prefer to use all the services with my google account integrated into the navbar when working with the google stack. So in short: Eat your own dog food ;-) Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Utn2Os0vHVYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Cool Bart. That might make it easier to keep up with the questions there! Robert On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:30, Bart Thate bth...@gmail.com wrote: If you are on IRC freenode i just made a channel where my bot spams the RSS feed of stackoverflow. Channel is #appengine-overflow ;] On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg and...@miumeet.com wrote: My main concern is that I will miss many of the questions answers, because I will have to manually go an check StackOverflow. Is there a way to get a daily StackOverflow digest email? Cheers, -Andrin -- Bart Thate programming schizophrenic - till freedom come! [!] http://jsonbot.org [!] http://gozerbot.org [!] http://tinyurl.com/schizoo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
I think directing a lot of the specific coding type questions to SO is good. It has nice support for things like syntax highlighting built in, and it is *far* better indexed. It also gives users the ability to edit / cleanup / clarify questions based on feed back, and for users to de-dupe questions. Basically, it is a nice tool for coding QnA type stuff. The only negative aspect in my mind is that it does not facilitate discussion in quite the same way. However, as Johan and Ikai have pointed out, this group will still be here for discussions. Here if one sees a question that has been answered then follows up with a more detailed explanation or caveats, it probably gets more attention than on SO. I know I don't generally follow old questions on SO. Here they pop up and I see them. Anyways, I think this will be an overall positive move. Robert On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 14:06, Robert Kluin robert.kl...@gmail.com wrote: Cool Bart. That might make it easier to keep up with the questions there! Robert On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:30, Bart Thate bth...@gmail.com wrote: If you are on IRC freenode i just made a channel where my bot spams the RSS feed of stackoverflow. Channel is #appengine-overflow ;] On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg and...@miumeet.com wrote: My main concern is that I will miss many of the questions answers, because I will have to manually go an check StackOverflow. Is there a way to get a daily StackOverflow digest email? Cheers, -Andrin -- Bart Thate programming schizophrenic - till freedom come! [!] http://jsonbot.org [!] http://gozerbot.org [!] http://tinyurl.com/schizoo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Ha, great! Wasn't logged in so I didn't see it. Cheers, -Andrin On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Bart Thate bth...@gmail.com wrote: If you are on IRC freenode i just made a channel where my bot spams the RSS feed of stackoverflow. Channel is #appengine-overflow ;] On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg and...@miumeet.comwrote: My main concern is that I will miss many of the questions answers, because I will have to manually go an check StackOverflow. Is there a way to get a daily StackOverflow digest email? Cheers, -Andrin -- Bart Thate programming schizophrenic - till freedom come! [!] http://jsonbot.org [!] http:// http://tinyurl.com/schizoogozerbot.org [!] http://tinyurl.com/schizoo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
Is there a way to get a daily StackOverflow digest email? Cheers, -Andrin You can get emails about your question, you can get an rss of a tag. It is a wiki so both are kind of weird. And there is not a good way to sponge the info the way I do with emails that I can then sort offline, or say to my self. I think Andrin asked that but I didn't really read it at the time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine community support is moving to Stack Overflow
yes, once you subscribe for a tag you can edit the email settings on that subscriptions. On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Brandon Wirtz wrote: Is there a way to get a daily StackOverflow digest email? Cheers, -Andrin You can get emails about your question, you can get an rss of a tag. It is a wiki so both are kind of weird. And there is not a good way to “sponge” the info the way I do with emails that I can then sort offline, or say to my self… I think Andrin asked that but I didn’t really read it at the time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.