[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Data API
Yes, I have so many times posted questions on groups and forums etc... and had my question been answered half way down the page. because people post their opinion or side, whatever, which is not an answer. And you my friend, have made my point, congrats. (I have to now I have replied to you tho). - Thanks Pamela On Nov 10, 11:46 am, David Nesting wrote: > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Oliver Baker wrote: > > PLEASE DO NOT POST THE FIRST REPLY IF IT IS NOT AN ANSWER, I DON'T > > WANT TO ANSWER TO BE 20 REPLIES DOWN! > > > P.S: The FIRST REPLY must be an Answer, not an opinion (e.g: "Yeah > > when will it come out" (Not that)) > > Seriously? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Wave API" group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Google Wave APIs] Google Wave Data API
Hi, This is specifically a question for the Google API staff, but anybody can post an answer. PLEASE DO NOT POST THE FIRST REPLY IF IT IS NOT AN ANSWER, I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER TO BE 20 REPLIES DOWN! Can we have some idea about when the Google Wave Data API will be released for use. And if possible, if the target date is still a month or more away, could we please see a beta Data API released maybe just for the Dev Wave, so we will be able to start developing how we will use the API. Failing that, could we please have some kind of example on how the API will look, so while we wait for the API to come out we can still start developing how we might integrate/use the API in our applications etc... Thanks, Oliver Baker P.S: The FIRST REPLY must be an Answer, not an opinion (e.g: "Yeah when will it come out" (Not that)) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Wave API" group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi All, The link in the quoted text above me for the Wave Post is wrong, the link is https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA <https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA>Please be aware that the program is being redesigned completely (the user interface), and new messages received will be displayed in a quick popup like in Microsoft Outlook, as Windows 7 is effectively phasing out the Notify Section and Notify Icons are now being hidden a lot more. The link above will explain some of my ideas for this project. As I have said before, the version of this program that currently checks Waves does not use Google's API, as far as I am aware Google Wave does not have an API for what this program does, however, as soon as an API is released this program will use the API provided and the current method used will not be used. I love suggestions people make, I am more likely though to have suggestions kept if they are posted on the Google Wave (the link provided), as with more replies suggestions can be quickly lost in the discussion. Other Notes: I am well aware many people would love me to code this application in many different languages, however I will be creating this application in VB.net. When the application is finished I may consider re-writing this application in a different language. However, any of you are welcome to re-write my application in any language you desire, the code is available on The Google Code Project. We are currently playing around with the design of the user interface, and I will be uploading some sketches of design ideas onto this projects wave. If the Google Wave API needed is released before the design is finished an application will be written up to use the API while the User Interface part is finished. IMPORTANT NOTES ABOUT THE CURRENT RELEASE: The current release does not accept proxies, I will not be including proxy support until the API is released by Google. (Sorry). Sometimes the Application decides it will not connect to a Wave server, Please make sure that Google Chrome Frame is installed onto Internet Explorer. If you do have Google Chrome Frame installed and the app still doesn't work you can always try adding wave.google.com to internet explorers Safe Sites list (I do not recommend this though). ALSO, don't forget to right click on the Notify Icon, go to your waves list and click the login button if it is available, If this button is not available and you can't view your waves your out of luck sorry until the API is released. Regards, Oliver Baker On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Tobias wrote: > > I thought it was a public wave, which you could join by following the > link. > But if I underderstand you correct, Sam, one need to be af participant > already. > > Is there a way which one easily can join these waves? > Just wondering, because i've seen these links several places, where it > seems to have the funktion of a forum-like wave. > > On Oct 27, 10:08 am, Sam Osborne wrote: > > May be if you're not a participant... > > > > 2009/10/26 Tobias > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice one. > > > > > A desktop notifier is essential for any messaging system. > > > Some small sugestions of further development: > > > Highlighting of the deskbar icon when there're new waves would be > > > really nice. > > > A possibility to force a recheck of the wave account. > > > > > An other thing: > > > How do one opens a google wave link: eg: > > > > >https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKi.. > .<https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com%21w%252BbT.. > .> > > > When I open it, I just go to my wave inbox, with no new wave added.- > Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Wave API" group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi All, PROGRESS UPDATE! In case you all haven't noticed yet I have uploaded the source of the project to the Google code Project. I have also been working on this project with a friend and he has been helping me sort out bugs and make improvements. I have redone the Dialog Base, it looks much much better. I still haven't finished refining it for use in the application, but I will be releasing a download on Google Code called Dialog Base rebuild preview. All of the controls I have created have now been moved into a Control Library and will be made available for use by the public. The Context menu is still under development and will hopefully be made available for use within the next week or two (I have a long weekend since its Labour Day Weekend over here so I should be able to get it done soon. I would love comments and feedback on this project. I do read all the feedback I get. I do take action on almost all the feedback I get (If you start saying my projects crap etc... and I shouldn't do this blah blah blah. I will not take much notice.). I do like negative comments though as long as they are constructive. I an still waiting on the API to be released. When the API is released I will put the project into overdrive if it is not already finished. When the API does come out, if the design of the project is not finished I will try to quickly release an app which will let you use the API with a basic interface (this is if somebody doesn't beat me to it). Hope people are still interested. Regards, Oliver Baker On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Oliver Baker wrote: > Hi Andrew, > Yes, I saw that. > > I haven't tried it yet though. > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Andrew Red wrote: > >> Hi Oliver, >> I'm sorry, but I got board, so I wrote some code to launch a window from >> the notifaction area. >> >> I posted the code on your wave ( >> https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA.1 >> ) >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Andrew Red wrote: >> >>> Nice. are you going to add the AnimateWindow function? This allows >>> sliding windows (like gtalk) and it is easy (ish) to use. >>> I got my sandbox on October 14th, and the previews were sent out on >>> October 1st (i think)... >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Oliver Baker wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Andrew, >>>> Here is the link to the WaveSandbox one. >>>> >>>> (You really should consult with the Google Team about why you don't have >>>> a preview account if you have a sandbox account) unless of course you are >>>> cheating the system. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA>Have >>>> fun, >>>> Oliver Baker >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Red wrote: >>>> >>>>> @Oliver, >>>>> Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox? >>>>> (I don't have a preview account :( ) >>>>> >>>>> Thx >>>>> Andrew >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Smloa, >>>>>> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code >>>>>> in C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New >>>>>> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a >>>>>> Programmer >>>>>> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to >>>>>> go >>>>>> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one >>>>>> of >>>>>> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). >>>>>> And >>>>>> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best >>>>>> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my >>>>>> learning style to learn C++. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NETand >>>>>> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think >>>>>> I would ignore Sam
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi Andrew, Yes, I saw that. I haven't tried it yet though. On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Andrew Red wrote: > Hi Oliver, > I'm sorry, but I got board, so I wrote some code to launch a window from > the notifaction area. > > I posted the code on your wave ( > https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA.1 > ) > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Andrew Red wrote: > >> Nice. are you going to add the AnimateWindow function? This allows sliding >> windows (like gtalk) and it is easy (ish) to use. >> I got my sandbox on October 14th, and the previews were sent out on >> October 1st (i think)... >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Oliver Baker wrote: >> >>> Hi Andrew, >>> Here is the link to the WaveSandbox one. >>> >>> (You really should consult with the Google Team about why you don't have >>> a preview account if you have a sandbox account) unless of course you are >>> cheating the system. >>> >>> >>> https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA >>> >>> >>> <https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA>Have >>> fun, >>> Oliver Baker >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Red wrote: >>> >>>> @Oliver, >>>> Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox? >>>> (I don't have a preview account :( ) >>>> >>>> Thx >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Smloa, >>>>> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code >>>>> in C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New >>>>> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a >>>>> Programmer >>>>> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to >>>>> go >>>>> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one >>>>> of >>>>> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And >>>>> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best >>>>> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my >>>>> learning style to learn C++. >>>>> >>>>> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NETand >>>>> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think >>>>> I would ignore Sam though. >>>>> >>>>> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I >>>>> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from >>>>> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn >>>>> how >>>>> to code in C++. >>>>> >>>>> I will continue to code in VB.NET. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Oliver >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your >>>>>> progress developing your app. You go on your merry way developing >>>>>> your Windows app as your original intent implies. And if Sam chooses >>>>>> to try and translate, then way to go for him. Whether he finishes it >>>>>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal >>>>>> progress on the app. If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never >>>>>> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you >>>>>> can make decisions then. >>>>>> >>>>>> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D I know it's pretty easy, but >>>>>> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to >>>>>> language. As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you >>>>>> may even prefer a different language. I started out in software >>>>>> design but
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi All, The Context menu preview has been uploaded to Google Code: Here<http://code.google.com/p/gwave-tools/downloads/list> Please Note a few things first: - The Black borders around the context menu is just a place holder for the actual border which will be added later - This preview is only to show you some of the basic functionality - Any of the looks may change, any suggestions can be posted here, On Google Wave or on Google Code. - The folder in the zip must stay in-tact for everything to work, the Context menu app is the one with the context menu in, Windows Application 2 is the most recent build of the custom dialog - At the moment the context menu is a control in a form which inherits my custom dialog, the real thing will look like it is expected to, it is in a form in the preview because its a preview. - NO CODE HAS BEEN PROVIDED YET: Its not finished, I am trialling some stuff and I don't want people yappin in my ear about why the code here, here and here should be done like, this or like that. when the context menu is near completion I will then upload the code for you guys to scold me about. - Once again, suggestions are welcome, the menu is not finished remember. Other than that, have fun. I am considering creating a Google Group just for this Project if enough support for the project is provided (suggestions, interested people, stuff like that) which would then be used to create discussion specifically on areas of the project, to lay it out neater. Regards, Oliver Baker On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Oliver Baker wrote: > Hi Andrew, > Here is the link to the WaveSandbox one. > > (You really should consult with the Google Team about why you don't have a > preview account if you have a sandbox account) unless of course you are > cheating the system. > > > https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA > > > <https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA>Have > fun, > Oliver Baker > > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Red wrote: > >> @Oliver, >> Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox? (I >> don't have a preview account :( ) >> >> Thx >> Andrew >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker wrote: >> >>> Hi Smloa, >>> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in >>> C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New >>> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer >>> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go >>> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of >>> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And >>> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best >>> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my >>> learning style to learn C++. >>> >>> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and >>> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I >>> would ignore Sam though. >>> >>> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I >>> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from >>> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how >>> to code in C++. >>> >>> I will continue to code in VB.NET. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Oliver >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your >>>> progress developing your app. You go on your merry way developing >>>> your Windows app as your original intent implies. And if Sam chooses >>>> to try and translate, then way to go for him. Whether he finishes it >>>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal >>>> progress on the app. If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never >>>> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you >>>> can make decisions then. >>>> >>>> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D I know it's pretty easy, but >>>> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to >>>> language. As you expand your curiosities
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi Andrew, Here is the link to the WaveSandbox one. (You really should consult with the Google Team about why you don't have a preview account if you have a sandbox account) unless of course you are cheating the system. https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA <https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA>Have fun, Oliver Baker On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Red wrote: > @Oliver, > Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox? (I > don't have a preview account :( ) > > Thx > Andrew > > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker wrote: > >> Hi Smloa, >> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in >> C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New >> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer >> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go >> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of >> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And >> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best >> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my >> learning style to learn C++. >> >> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and >> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I >> would ignore Sam though. >> >> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I >> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from >> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how >> to code in C++. >> >> I will continue to code in VB.NET. >> >> Thanks, >> Oliver >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your >>> progress developing your app. You go on your merry way developing >>> your Windows app as your original intent implies. And if Sam chooses >>> to try and translate, then way to go for him. Whether he finishes it >>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal >>> progress on the app. If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never >>> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you >>> can make decisions then. >>> >>> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D I know it's pretty easy, but >>> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to >>> language. As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you >>> may even prefer a different language. I started out in software >>> design but found that I preferred web development instead. >>> >>> Good luck on your app! >>> >>> >>> On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey wrote: >>> > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't >>> let >>> > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a >>> different >>> > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core" >>> that >>> > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is >>> until >>> > Google releases an API >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker >>> wrote: >>> > > Hi, >>> > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method >>> that >>> > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT). >>> > >>> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer < >>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install >>> `unrar` >>> > >> from your package management system. >>> > >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' : >>> > >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete >>> > >>> > >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly >>> gmail >>> > >> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable. >>> > >>> > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
If I was 12, and knew what I knew. I would be dead from having such a non-existent life. I already need to get one as it is, I am either programming or playing Xbox online with friends. Thanks for the tips and I will defiantly look into all those programming languages (My most important ones at the moment though are ones that will get me a job at the one company bigger than microsoft (its Google). Thanks, Oliver On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Joe Developer wrote: > Hi Oliver,its great to hear how keen you are. > > There are a lot of languages out there and finding out which ones are right > for a given task is half the battle :) > > While there is a propensity for knee-jerk scoffing at VB, the reason that I > personally thought it inappropriate is that it is inexorably bound to the > Windows platform(mono and wine notwithstanding). > You will probably find that a good percentage of people here are either on > variants of BSD or Linux. It would be interesting to have a show of hands > just for kicks. > > If I were you I would exploit your relative neuronal plasticity and apply > it to picking up some different languages. Check out a functional > programming language like fx Erlang. Some 'rapid development' languages like > say python or ruby. Perhaps even a multiparadigm language like Ada (which > could use a json lib btw ;) ) > You will have plenty of time later to apply the paradigms and inspiration > you pick up at making the killer services of the future. 17 isn't exactly 12 > ;) Spend your time wisely. > > While learning by doing is a great way to keep the energy and enthusiasm > up, it also tends to lock you in, if nothing else, do read about software > patterns. Reinventing the wheel may lead to better wheels, but in all > likelihood we would benefit more from improved drive-trains. > > Anyway, good going with the Inbox Notification tool :) Happy Hacking. > . > > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Oliver Baker wrote: > >> Hi Smloa, >> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in >> C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New >> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer >> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go >> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of >> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And >> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best >> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my >> learning style to learn C++. >> >> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and >> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I >> would ignore Sam though. >> >> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I >> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from >> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how >> to code in C++. >> >> I will continue to code in VB.NET. >> >> Thanks, >> Oliver >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your >>> progress developing your app. You go on your merry way developing >>> your Windows app as your original intent implies. And if Sam chooses >>> to try and translate, then way to go for him. Whether he finishes it >>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal >>> progress on the app. If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never >>> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you >>> can make decisions then. >>> >>> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D I know it's pretty easy, but >>> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to >>> language. As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you >>> may even prefer a different language. I started out in software >>> design but found that I preferred web development instead. >>> >>> Good luck on your app! >>> >>> >>> On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey wrote: >>> > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't >>> let >>> > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a >>> different >>> > langu
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi Smloa, I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my learning style to learn C++. I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I would ignore Sam though. At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how to code in C++. I will continue to code in VB.NET. Thanks, Oliver On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola wrote: > > Hello all, > > Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your > progress developing your app. You go on your merry way developing > your Windows app as your original intent implies. And if Sam chooses > to try and translate, then way to go for him. Whether he finishes it > or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal > progress on the app. If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never > heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you > can make decisions then. > > VB was one of my first languages too! ;D I know it's pretty easy, but > if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to > language. As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you > may even prefer a different language. I started out in software > design but found that I preferred web development instead. > > Good luck on your app! > > > On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey wrote: > > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't > let > > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a > different > > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core" > that > > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is > until > > Google releases an API > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker wrote: > > > Hi, > > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that > > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT). > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer < > joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install > `unrar` > > >> from your package management system. > > >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' : > > >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete > > > > >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly gmail > > >> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable. > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne < > sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com > > >> > wrote: > > > > >>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux > > >>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars > > > > >>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne > > > > >>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which > is > > >>>> likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very > bad... > > > > >>>> 2009/10/16 Joe Developer > > > > >>>> From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is > unlikely > > >>>>> to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded > > >>>>> webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site. > > > > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne < > > >>>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead > of > > >>>>>> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of > C++, but > > >>>>>> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux > just needs to > &
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi Chris,
I Know, but you guys want me to stop doing it in VB.net.
If you go to
https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA and
look at the Dialog design Picture I am already designing a User Interface in
VB.NET. I am actually going to put up all my sketches there as well.
Regards,
Oliver Baker
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Chris Bailey wrote:
> sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't let
> me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a different
> language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core" that
> can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is until
> Google releases an API
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that
>> works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer > > wrote:
>>
>>> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install `unrar`
>>> from your package management system.
>>> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
>>> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>>>
>>> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly gmail
>>> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne <
>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux
>>>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars
>>>>
>>>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne
>>>>
>>>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which is
>>>>> likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very bad...
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/10/16 Joe Developer
>>>>>
>>>>> From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is unlikely
>>>>>> to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded
>>>>>> webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
>>>>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
>>>>>>> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, but
>>>>>>> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just
>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that
>>>>>>> bad!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
>>>>>>> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what,
>>>>>>> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line
>>>>>>> numbers up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example:
>>>>>>> VB.net code:
>>>>>>> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
>>>>>>> C++ code:
>>>>>>> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
>>>>>>> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the
>>>>>>> same thing
>>>>>>> Line 1: printf("Hello");
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For
>>>>>>> Bugs, rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're
>>>>>>> working your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>> to fix some of them..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember
>>>>>>>> that I rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable)
>>>>>>>> s
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi,
yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that works
with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer wrote:
> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install `unrar`
> from your package management system.
> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>
> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly gmail
> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne
> wrote:
>
>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux (which
>> I'm primarily on) can't read rars
>>
>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne
>>
>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which is
>>> likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very bad...
>>>
>>> 2009/10/16 Joe Developer
>>>
>>> From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is unlikely
>>>> to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded
>>>> webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
>>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
>>>>> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, but
>>>>> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just needs
>>>>> to
>>>>> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>>>>>
>>>>> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that
>>>>> bad!
>>>>>
>>>>> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
>>>>> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what,
>>>>> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line numbers
>>>>> up.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example:
>>>>> VB.net code:
>>>>> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
>>>>> C++ code:
>>>>> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
>>>>> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the
>>>>> same thing
>>>>> Line 1: printf("Hello");
>>>>>
>>>>> Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For Bugs,
>>>>> rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're working
>>>>> your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be able to fix
>>>>> some of them..
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker
>>>>>
>>>>> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember that
>>>>>> I rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) since I
>>>>>> really wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
>>>>>> If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs
>>>>>> but I wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been
>>>>>> released.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this in
>>>>>> vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written to
>>>>>> proper standards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Oliver Baker
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer <
>>>>>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that
>>>>>>>> I know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through,
>>>>>>>> leaving me
>>>>>>>> dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, i
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember that I rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) since I really wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project. If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold. (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs but I wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been released.) Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this in vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written to proper standards. Thanks, Oliver Baker On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker wrote: > >> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that I know >> will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, leaving me dead in >> the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its happened to me before) > > Experience can never be taken from you. > >> >> I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find somebody >> who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications. >> > I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you would find > the gui more portable and easier to manage using something like gtk+ and > whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or python or * > http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html > > >> I will put up all the current plans for this application on >> the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what. >> >> It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will be a small > shell script that gets called from something like conky now and then. > > >> It will be interesting to see how this all progresses. >> >> Regards, >> Oliver Baker >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Wave API" group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that I know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, leaving me dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its happened to me before) I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find somebody who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications. I will put up all the current plans for this application on the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what. It will be interesting to see how this all progresses. Regards, Oliver Baker On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Sam Osborne wrote: > People prefer to just be able to run/install something, without having to > go around installing other things as well... Getting away from VB is always > a good call.. I did VB for the past 2 years, now I'm C++-ing. > Seeing as I'm not even half way through that pdf, I can't do GUI's yet > (:(), though, if I can translate the http scraping and whatnot code, then > someone else could do that bit.. > Open Source means other people can take the code and do what they like with > it, and it's also a community effort, so many people can contribute.. For > example, Oliver can go for the main code, the Windows bits, and then I can > translate some code into C++, and some other person could go in and get my > adaptation of Oliver's code into a GUI. > > 2009/10/15 Joe Developer > > >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Sam Osborne > > wrote: >> >>> 1: Ok. >>> >>> 2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it. >>> If you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be >>> able to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux. >>> I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure >>> about work and what their C++ equivalents are. >>> >> >> I think you will find that the bulk of it is tied to the windows gui >> interface, the interfacing with Wave is done via http and scraping, >> basically just doing the steps that your browser does while logging you in >> (passing cookies and auth). >> >> >>> It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac >>> or Linux, where some Wave users are. >> >> Well, there is Mono. >> >> >>> You could TRY getting it to run on AIR, but I'm not sure how that works >>> :S >>> You may want to look at C++ For >>> Dummies<http://samosborneonline.co.cc/Downloads/C++_For_Dummies.pdf> >>> >>> Getting weaned off VB sounds like a good call. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Wave API" group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi Again, I see your point Sam. The only problem is I can't code in C++, and the plans that I have for this application would go well beyond the capability of me learning within a few days. Also it would mean I would not be able to Bug Fix my own application for a while and would have to rely on others doing it for me which could be pretty dangerous. I don't mind you creating a C++ version of my App, at the moment I am creating a new GUI interface for the Application. I will not be able to help you create the C++ version, since I am going to have to start learning C++ real fast. I am going to put up some Future designs for the application including an example Preview of the applications dialog window in the wave : https://wave.google.com/wave/?pli=1#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA.2 . Anyway, I will put up the current source of the application within the next couple of hours. I wouldn't mind this all being done in C++, but I have to be careful I start going into something I can't do. I don't want to ruin myself. Regards, Oliver Baker On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Sam Osborne wrote: > 1: Ok. > > 2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it. If > you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be able > to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux. > I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure about > work and what their C++ equivalents are. > It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac or > Linux, where some Wave users are. You could TRY getting it to run on AIR, > but I'm not sure how that works :S > You may want to look at C++ For > Dummies<http://samosborneonline.co.cc/Downloads/C++_For_Dummies.pdf> > > > 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker > >> Hi Sam, >> *Answer to your First Question:* >> >> If you read the whole post you will know I have been given permission by >> Google to (For This Application only) Breach Condition L of the Google Wave >> Program Policy until the relative API is released by Google. >> >> Which means that there is no current API for what I have done. >> >> *Answer to your second question.* >> >> I am assuming that you want to create your own project based on my source >> code Seems pretty harsh Sam. >> >> The Main part of my application that you probably want to obtain is the >> part which obtains the information. When the API comes out, my applications >> source to you that you currently want would be near pointless >> >> The source will be put up on Google Code soon (Within 2-3 days) since >> parts of it have to be re-written. I don't mind you using my source code. >> But I am trusting people not to pull a fast one on me. >> >> Hope that answers your questions. >> >> Regards, >> Oliver Baker >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Sam Osborne > > wrote: >> >>> Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things: >>> >>>- How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're >>>in (Java/Python I think) to VB? >>>- Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate >>>it into C++, and then get it to run in Linux.. >>> >>> >>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker >>> >>>> Hi Sam, >>>> The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17, >>>> still studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously >>>> C/C++). >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne < >>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> What language is it made in? >>>>> >>>>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> I have good news!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my >>>>>> application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes out. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be >>>>>> releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Oliver Baker >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use o
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi Sam, *Answer to your First Question:* If you read the whole post you will know I have been given permission by Google to (For This Application only) Breach Condition L of the Google Wave Program Policy until the relative API is released by Google. Which means that there is no current API for what I have done. *Answer to your second question.* I am assuming that you want to create your own project based on my source code Seems pretty harsh Sam. The Main part of my application that you probably want to obtain is the part which obtains the information. When the API comes out, my applications source to you that you currently want would be near pointless The source will be put up on Google Code soon (Within 2-3 days) since parts of it have to be re-written. I don't mind you using my source code. But I am trusting people not to pull a fast one on me. Hope that answers your questions. Regards, Oliver Baker On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Sam Osborne wrote: > Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things: > >- How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're in >(Java/Python I think) to VB? >- Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate it >into C++, and then get it to run in Linux.. > > > 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker > >> Hi Sam, >> The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17, still >> studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously C/C++). >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne > > wrote: >> >>> What language is it made in? >>> >>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker >>> >>> Hi All, >>>> I have good news!!! >>>> >>>> Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my >>>> application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes out. >>>> >>>> I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be >>>> releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Oliver Baker >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the >>>>> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to >>>>> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites >>>>> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful >>>>> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can be >>>>> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company like >>>>> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used. >>>>> >>>>> Rich >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that I'm >>>>> not a >>>>> > lawyer... >>>>> > >>>>> > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to >>>>> "modify, >>>>> > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service >>>>> unless >>>>> > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse >>>>> > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You >>>>> can read >>>>> > more of the policies at: >>>>> http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html >>>>> > >>>>> > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content >>>>> -- which >>>>> > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build >>>>> this >>>>> > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to >>>>> consider, >>>>> > more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol >>>>> -- but >>>>> > things are early there at the moment. >>>>> > >>>>> > - pamela >>>>> > >>>>> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer < >>>>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) < >>>>> > > pamela...@gmai
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi Sam, The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17, still studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously C/C++). On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne wrote: > What language is it made in? > > 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker > > Hi All, >> I have good news!!! >> >> Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my application >> using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes out. >> >> I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be >> releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue. >> >> Thanks, >> Oliver Baker >> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er wrote: >> >>> >>> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the >>> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to >>> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites >>> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful >>> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can be >>> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company like >>> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used. >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" >>> wrote: >>> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that I'm >>> not a >>> > lawyer... >>> > >>> > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to >>> "modify, >>> > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service unless >>> > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse >>> > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You can >>> read >>> > more of the policies at: >>> http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html >>> > >>> > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content -- >>> which >>> > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build >>> this >>> > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to >>> consider, >>> > more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol -- >>> but >>> > things are early there at the moment. >>> > >>> > - pamela >>> > >>> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer < >>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) < >>> > > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >> Hey Oliver- >>> > >> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the >>> thread >>> > >> in the forum. >>> > >>> > >> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a >>> > >> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" >>> the HTML >>> > >> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is >>> why >>> > >> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content. >>> > >>> > >> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that >>> > > documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results >>> would >>> > > be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages >>> that >>> > > include explicit permission for google to scrape. >>> > >>> > > I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API >>> to >>> > >> distribute a program like this. >>> > >>> > >> - pamela >>> > >>> > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> How dare you Andrey! >>> > >>> > >>> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the >>> last >>> > >>> Wave server you selected. >>> > >>> > >>> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google >>> Wave >>> > >>> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page. >>> > >>> > >&g
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi All, I have good news!!! Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes out. I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue. Thanks, Oliver Baker On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er wrote: > > Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the > word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to > see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites > become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful > naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can be > a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company like > Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used. > > Rich > > On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" > wrote: > > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that I'm not > a > > lawyer... > > > > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to > "modify, > > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service unless > > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse > > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You can > read > > more of the policies at: > http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html > > > > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content -- > which > > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build > this > > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to consider, > > more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol -- > but > > things are early there at the moment. > > > > - pamela > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer < > joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) < > > > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> Hey Oliver- > > >> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the > thread > > >> in the forum. > > > > >> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a > > >> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the > HTML > > >> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is > why > > >> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content. > > > > >> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that > > > documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results > would > > > be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages > that > > > include explicit permission for google to scrape. > > > > > I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API > to > > >> distribute a program like this. > > > > >> - pamela > > > > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker > wrote: > > > > >>> How dare you Andrey! > > > > >>> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the > last > > >>> Wave server you selected. > > > > >>> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google > Wave > > >>> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page. > > > > >>> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little > > >>> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right > > >>> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see > > >>> your waves button. > > > > >>> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your > > >>> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs. > > > > >>> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov wrote: > > >>> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run > exe's > > >>> you > > >>> > downloaded online? > > >>> > - Andrey > > > > >>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall < > break...@gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's > nowhere > > >>> > > for me to enter my wave credentials? > > > > >>> > > ~Scott~ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Wave API" group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi Guys, Although I have pulled the program out of the project for the time being. I am still pressing on with its development (of course leaving out information retrieval for when the API is released) so I am still going to need people to help test out the program to get rid of bugs. For those of you who have used the program before I removed it, no, it will certainly not look like that to the user when the API is released, it will look much better. for those of you who are still interested in bug testing, you can reply to this topic and if you feel like it send me a Wave on either the Dev or the Preview (Username is ocbaker) showing your interest. Once I have redesigned the interface enough I will start to release preview versions of the application on Google Code with temporary preview information in the place of where the real information will go when the API is released. Just so you guys can get a feel for the application and let me know what your opinion of it is. Once again I apologize for my little mistake. Regards, Oliver Baker On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Dan Peterson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM, pamela (Google Employee) < > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content -- >> which is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build >> this prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to >> consider, more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server >> protocol -- but things are early there at the moment. >> >> > I'm looking forward to a day when we have such APIs exposed :) > > >> - pamela >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer > > wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) < >>> pamela...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Oliver- >>>> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the >>>> thread in the forum. >>>> >>>> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a >>>> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the HTML >>>> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is why >>>> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content. >>>> >>>> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that >>> documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results would >>> be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages that >>> include explicit permission for google to scrape. >>> >>> I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API to >>>> distribute a program like this. >>>> >>>> - pamela >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> How dare you Andrey! >>>>> >>>>> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the last >>>>> Wave server you selected. >>>>> >>>>> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google Wave >>>>> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page. >>>>> >>>>> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little >>>>> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right >>>>> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see >>>>> your waves button. >>>>> >>>>> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your >>>>> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs. >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov wrote: >>>>> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's >>>>> you >>>>> > downloaded online? >>>>> > - Andrey >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's >>>>> nowhere >>>>> > > for me to enter my wave credentials? >>>>> > >>>>> > > ~Scott~ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Wave API" group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi All, At Pamela's request I have removed this Application from its Google Code Project until the release of the required API pack. Regards, Oliver Baker On Oct 14, 1:42 pm, "pamela (Google Employee)" wrote: > Hey Oliver- > I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the thread in > the forum. > > I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a chance > to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the HTML of > webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is why > webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content. > > I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API to > distribute a program like this. > > - pamela > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker wrote: > > > How dare you Andrey! > > > I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the last > > Wave server you selected. > > > Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google Wave > > Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page. > > > To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little > > stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right > > click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see > > your waves button. > > > Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your > > computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs. > > > On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov wrote: > > > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's you > > > downloaded online? > > > - Andrey > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall > > wrote: > > > > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's nowhere > > > > for me to enter my wave credentials? > > > > > ~Scott~ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Wave API" group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
How dare you Andrey! I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the last Wave server you selected. Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google Wave Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page. To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see your waves button. Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs. On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov wrote: > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's you > downloaded online? > - Andrey > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall wrote: > > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's nowhere > > for me to enter my wave credentials? > > > ~Scott~ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Wave API" group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi Pamela, Like I said, the first release (Version 1.0) was coded pretty slack, which is why it isn't in the repository yet. I am currently cleaning it up and soon (next 1-2 days) it will be put into the repository. And I am surprised that you don't know how I did this, its a relatively simple Idea in principal, however I found was much harder to do in code. My application is relatively basic. On any web browser open up Google Wave and then view its source, Google Wave builds the User Interface after it loads the main page, which is why you can't see the User Interface Code (Unless you are using Google Chrome and use the Inspector on the User Interface). However, when Google Wave Finishes loading the page before creating the GUI the source of the page contains an Array of your Waves (Not in 100% entirety, like not all the Blips will have all of their text written in the source of the page) but there is an extremely sufficient amount there to Gather your Waves, their ID's, Title, Creator etc... After Gathering that information (Which I have not entirely perfected yet) I display the Waves for the user in the Programs Notify Icon Menu along with each ones Total Messages and Unread Messages. This is pretty slack and was just a simple innovative way of doing what nobody else (and to my surprise eluded the Google Staff) could do. I am going to continually release newer, more effective versions of this application. And if the Google Wave team does release an API for what I have done then I will update my application to use that API. - I realized this solution at the beginning of August when I gained access to the Developers Sandbox. My original plan was to create a Google Chrome extension which used this method to display Unread messages. (I have made an extension like this for Hotmail). I had started but unfortunately I had not completely mastered reading the HTML Source and then when my laptop got stolen that project got scrapped. I have to say, being 17 and to out smart people much smarter than me and people who work for Google and deal with making Google Wave I am pretty surprised. If I lived close the the Wave Hackathon instead of living in New Zealand I probably would have made this there and then. -- I hope this enlightens you. And is explained well. The Source for the project should be put up on Google Code within 24 hrs of this message. Regards, Oliver Baker On Oct 14, 9:49 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" wrote: > Hi Oliver - > There is no source code in the repository. Where is the source code > available at? > We do not offer an API that gives access to inbox information, so I'm > curious as to how you managed to do this. Can you explain further? > > - pamela > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Sam Osborne > wrote: > > > > > Sure I'll grab it.. Gimme about half an hour and I'll come in and start > > testing it. > > > 2009/10/13 Chris Bailey > > >> I'd be willing to help test. Also my wave ID is Xcom923 > > >> On Oct 13, 12:30 am, Oliver Baker wrote: > >> > Hi all, > > >> > It was my intention from the beginning to make a Tool for your Desktop > >> > which would tell you when you have new Waves. And I was surprised that > >> > nobody had made one before me, so, I have made it! > > >> > This is currently only for Windows. It has a few bugs but nothing that > >> > should make it crash, and, unlike Google I only employ myself, and > >> > thats for free. > > >> > This will be in Beta until the Official release of Google Wave as > >> > anything could happen in the preview. > > >> > This has been coded pretty slack (release as of this message) since > >> > the Wave team will probably end up creating much better method of > >> > access for external applications than the method I am using, and so it > >> > will be re-coded for those methods. (I am still improving this one) > > >> > The link to the Project home:http://code.google.com/p/gwave-tools/ > > >> > It would be much appreciated if bugs could be reported on the Project > >> > site, I will read them, and take note of them. > > >> > Enjoy, > >> > Oliver --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Wave API" group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Google Wave APIs] Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop
Hi all, It was my intention from the beginning to make a Tool for your Desktop which would tell you when you have new Waves. And I was surprised that nobody had made one before me, so, I have made it! This is currently only for Windows. It has a few bugs but nothing that should make it crash, and, unlike Google I only employ myself, and thats for free. This will be in Beta until the Official release of Google Wave as anything could happen in the preview. This has been coded pretty slack (release as of this message) since the Wave team will probably end up creating much better method of access for external applications than the method I am using, and so it will be re-coded for those methods. (I am still improving this one) The link to the Project home: http://code.google.com/p/gwave-tools/ It would be much appreciated if bugs could be reported on the Project site, I will read them, and take note of them. Enjoy, Oliver --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Wave API" group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
