New look to Mail Archive message pages
We have been working on a new design for The Mail Archive message pages. The goal has been to visually bring you to the message content faster. The subject and message are right there at the very top left of the page now. We've been finding and fixing bugs with the new design the last few weeks but please alert us to all the edge cases we've neglected to find ourselves! Feedback and bug reports are desired. Thank you Jeff
Re: tinyurl filtering
Hello Horace, thanks for pointing that out. It's entirely possibly (and likely) you are right about Postini's aggressiveness on the tinyurls. I attempted to add a whitelist rule for the vorte...@eskimo.com recipient address to bypass the Postini filtering; can you please send a test message to your list, or let me know when you make your next post that contains a tinyurl? Also, let me know if you see any odd behavior because of the whitelist rule I added. Thank you Jeff On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Hello, I today discovered that many of my posts to the vortex-l%40eskimo.com newslist have not been archived since the beginning of the year. I narrowed the problem down to one thing; any posts using www.tin yurl.com (remove space between tin and yurl) references were filtered. These posts have possibly been filtered as spam by Postini? I post tinyurls in addition to the long URLs as a courtesy to readers. This avoids problems with line wrap etc. for long URLs, and has been requested by members of the list that I do this. Filtering such a useful feature seems a bit draconian, even though it can be used to hide spam. I have used this facility for list posting for years. It was a surprise to find it has been unavailable to list users for months now. Any suggestions for a work-around appreciated. I hope this message is not filtered. Thank you for your consideration. Best regards, Horace Heffner -- To unsubscribe, send mail to gossip-unsubscr...@jab.org. -- To unsubscribe, send mail to gossip-unsubscr...@jab.org.
Re: What happened to search? (only google custom search with crippled possibilities?)
HI Christian. Actually, we've been using Google's search for our front-page site-wide search for years. Our internally-developed Lucene search has always been on the individual lists and still is. So we've never had Lucene search parameter controls on that site-wide search. The only change that took place was Google required us to update the search box code we use on the front page, and now it has that Google Custom Search logo, and ads are now showing on the right side of the search results. The old site-wide search had Google's ads above the message search results and we thought getting them off to the side was less intrusive. It's unfortunate that Google insists on having their logo on our front-page search box now and I'm trying to reach a Google rep to see what we can do about that. As for the ads on the site-wide search results we'd prefer to turn them off completely since they kind of get in the way and only generate a few dollars anyway. The reason we went with Google's search for our site-wide results years ago is because we couldn't efficiently generate a Lucene index that spans all messages across all lists. Perhaps it's time for us to revisit this now that we aren't particularly happy with the Google logo or the change in ad display requirements. Jeff On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Christian Lohmaier lohma...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi *, what I always liked about mail-archive.com was its powerful search, but it seems it has been replaced by a google search, that doesn't support the lucene parameters anymore. The first change to the worse since I've been using mail-archive.com So if this is a permanent change (the message back in November last year http://www.mail-archive.com/gossip@jab.org/msg01352.html sounded that while there was a problem, work is towards reenabling the feature), please update the FAQ wrt. search syntax accordingly. Thankfully perl-list search is still using lucene search, but searching multiple/all lists is where the more powerful search syntax is most helpful... ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe, send mail to gossip-unsubscr...@jab.org.
Re: Advanced Search sort-by-date options - available from the regular search syntax?
I've added support for the following two control strings on basic queries: sort:newest sort:oldest Here is an example search on the gossip@jab.org list using help sort:newest: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=gossip%40jab.orgq=help+sort:newest To answer your question about date formats, we are using the Python dateutil module to parse the date string: http://labix.org/python-dateutil It handles parsing almost any date format. We are using the default parameters, which means the precedence on an ambigious month / day / year order is this: http://labix.org/python-dateutil#head-b95ce2094d189a89f80f5ae52a05b4ab7b41af47 MM-DD-YY DD-MM-YY YY-MM-DD You followed up directly with me with a couple more good points. 1) When doing a basic search with a special field like from:jeff and then clicking to the Advanced Search should move those special fields to the appropriate form elements. I will work on this. 2) Sorting by Date Oldest instead of only Date Newest. I added this support on those special commands I mentioned at the start of this email. It's not in the Advanced Search UI yet because we don't have the translation strings for all the languages for this... Jeff On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Jeff Marshall marsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Esther, thanks for the suggestions. I really like the sort by date option that comes up from the Advanced page search, but I'm curious whether there's any way to implement this as a switch or option keyword from the regular search query. We should be able to add a special keyword to the regular search query to do the sort-by-date. I'll try to work on this over the weekend. if the box is left empty, but the button has been changed from the default 1 day setting, is it possible for the program to search within the specified date range, assuming that the date argument is today? Interesting idea. I'm not sure this would be intuitive to people, but perhaps there is a way to add support for something like that and make it obvious to people what the date search will do in that case. For date syntax, does the format (8/14/03) always default to month/day/year, or is there a way for people to use day/month/year as a preference? I'll have to double-check the date parsing code to let you know. Jeff On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Jeff, I really like the sort by date option that comes up from the Advanced page search, but I'm curious whether there's any way to implement this as a switch or option keyword from the regular search query. (From a read through of the Lucene document linked in the FAQ, this doesn't seem to be an option; they only note that results of range searches are sorted according to lexicography.)I find it most efficient to type a simple query, usually without detailed Boolean arguments or, in general, date ranges. Then, depending on the search results, I may modify my search syntax if I need to refine the search, but I usually do this by adding arguments to by search query rather than using the link to refine my search. Consequently, I only came across the Advanced Search page option a couple of weeks ago. The feature that I'd most like to use as an add-on to the regular search string is the sort by date (rather than relevance) option. Is that possible? It looks as though the Advanced Search page is running a Python program. Another few questions regarding the date range: if the box is left empty, but the button has been changed from the default 1 day setting, is it possible for the program to search within the specified date range, assuming that the date argument is today? For date syntax, does the format (8/14/03) always default to month/day/year, or is there a way for people to use day/month/year as a preference? (This question is being asked because some International list members may prefer to use that syntax, and I was wondering whether there a way that the program can check this from their regional settings; 18 Jul 2006 seems to be interpreted correctly, as well.) Thanks very much for all your work on these archives. I've been using them since 2005, and have been pleasantly surprised by all the features that keep getting added. Cheers, Esther -- To unsubscribe, send mail to gossip-unsubscr...@jab.org.
Re: Advanced Search sort-by-date options - available from the regular search syntax?
Hi Esther, thanks for the suggestions. I really like the sort by date option that comes up from the Advanced page search, but I'm curious whether there's any way to implement this as a switch or option keyword from the regular search query. We should be able to add a special keyword to the regular search query to do the sort-by-date. I'll try to work on this over the weekend. if the box is left empty, but the button has been changed from the default 1 day setting, is it possible for the program to search within the specified date range, assuming that the date argument is today? Interesting idea. I'm not sure this would be intuitive to people, but perhaps there is a way to add support for something like that and make it obvious to people what the date search will do in that case. For date syntax, does the format (8/14/03) always default to month/day/year, or is there a way for people to use day/month/year as a preference? I'll have to double-check the date parsing code to let you know. Jeff On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Jeff, I really like the sort by date option that comes up from the Advanced page search, but I'm curious whether there's any way to implement this as a switch or option keyword from the regular search query. (From a read through of the Lucene document linked in the FAQ, this doesn't seem to be an option; they only note that results of range searches are sorted according to lexicography.)I find it most efficient to type a simple query, usually without detailed Boolean arguments or, in general, date ranges. Then, depending on the search results, I may modify my search syntax if I need to refine the search, but I usually do this by adding arguments to by search query rather than using the link to refine my search. Consequently, I only came across the Advanced Search page option a couple of weeks ago. The feature that I'd most like to use as an add-on to the regular search string is the sort by date (rather than relevance) option. Is that possible? It looks as though the Advanced Search page is running a Python program. Another few questions regarding the date range: if the box is left empty, but the button has been changed from the default 1 day setting, is it possible for the program to search within the specified date range, assuming that the date argument is today? For date syntax, does the format (8/14/03) always default to month/day/year, or is there a way for people to use day/month/year as a preference? (This question is being asked because some International list members may prefer to use that syntax, and I was wondering whether there a way that the program can check this from their regional settings; 18 Jul 2006 seems to be interpreted correctly, as well.) Thanks very much for all your work on these archives. I've been using them since 2005, and have been pleasantly surprised by all the features that keep getting added. Cheers, Esther -- To unsubscribe, send mail to gossip-unsubscr...@jab.org.
Re: Improvements
Thanks, Mike. I'll catch up with the other Mail Archive guys to chat over some of these ideas. Your point about the links on the list name logo sound valid. Jeff On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:42 AM, M.G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Dear Jeff, Now that my logo is up, I see the top-of-page arrangments have changed: My logo is top-left and links to the mail-archive home page. The list-name text has shifted to the right, and links to the info page. If I had my druthers, my logo would link to the info page, and the list name text would disappear (actually, revert to the default mail archive banner, given its location), since the logo displays the name of the list. Since it's a (usually) one-time configuration at setup, it might not be too onerous to code it so you can tweak the banner arrangment on a per-list basis depending on what makes sense. The logic could be pretty simple: The list logo, if it exists, links to the info page. The list name links to the info page; optionally not displayed if made redundant by the nature of the logo. The mail-archive banner and logo remain constant at upper right, both link to your home page. I think the result would be logical and consistent across all lists. Thanks! All nitpicks aside, things are looking great. Mike D. -- To unsubscribe, send mail to gossip-unsubscr...@jab.org.
Re: Test (sorry)--ticket received at supp...@legacyfamilytree.com??
Looks like one of gossip's subscribers is bouncing back that reply. We'll find and remove that address. Thanks On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: Just testing something--the last two times I sent a post to either gossip or jeff at jab dot org, I got some sort of reply from supp...@legacyfamilytree.com telling me that my ticket has been received and has been assigned a ticket number ... I don't know whether the problem is at my end, the jab end, or somewhere else, so I wanted to try this one more time to see / confirm that it happens (and that I'm not accidentally including a wrong address (this being a fresh posting)). Randy Kramer -- To unsubscribe, send mail to gossip-unsubscr...@jab.org.
Fixed subscribing process for googlegroups lists
It looks like the arch...@mail-archive.com account on Google Groups was not allowing list managers to add the arch...@mail-archive.com directly address to their lists. This setting has been fixed, and list managers should now be able to directly add the arch...@mail-archive.com address to their lists. Let me know if you have trouble subscribing Google Groups lists to The Mail Archive. Thanks Jeff
Re: howto add list that has no webinterface
Hi Jonas. One way is to email the Gentoo list admins asking them to add [EMAIL PROTECTED] to their subscriber lists for you. Or, if you'd like, you could send us the listnames you'd like to have added and we can take care of it. Looks like we currently have 26 active gentoo lists in the archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/find.php?q=gentoolists=all Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jan 26, 2008 1:38 PM, Jonas Bernoulli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would like to add some of the lists at http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml to the archive. however i am not the owner and the lists can only subscribed to by sending an email to the list. since there is no webinterface to add an address to the list i don't know how to add [EMAIL PROTECTED] as described at http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#newlist. thx -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decennial report
On Dec 31, 2007 8:24 AM, Dennis E. Slice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations, and thanks so much for your service. Thanks, Dennis! I don't understand, though, how do you generate income? I have never paid anything, and I don't see any advertisements or links to commercial services or requests for donations. Starting in February 2004 we began showing a Google AdSense ad on the right-hand side of every message page. This year we were able to remove that ad for everyone using the site directly. AdSense only shows up if you land on a message page after doing a search on a search engine like Yahoo, Google, MSN, etc. This has been a real win because it keeps the ads away from anyone that normally uses the site and only shows a few ads to drive-by search engine visitors. This has been enough to keep the service in the black and to make it a fun side business for Jeff B and myself. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Search problem on user@ofbiz.apache.org
Hello Torsten. It appears that the user@ofbiz.apache.org list was added to The Mail Archive on January 11, 2007 (the first message is: http://www.mail-archive.com/user@ofbiz.apache.org/msg0.html), and the message you are searching is from December 27, 2006. If you would like us to import older mails from the mailing list into our archive, please send an mbox to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we'll add the older messages. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 1:55 am, Torsten Schlabach wrote: Hi! Something seems to be wrong with the indexing of (at least) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try to search for this message, please: http://www.nabble.com/Properly-edited-OFBiz-manuals-p8062115.html I tried finding it with literal terms, both from - Subject line (used manuals - 28 matches but not that message) - Message body (Technical Reference Manual - 0 matches) Regards, Torsten -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Mail Archive front page
We have updated the front page of The Mail Archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/). The changes are not too drastic visually; they came out of a desire to make the front page more relevant, intuitive and dynamic. Our front page has always been proudly minimalistic. These changes add more text to the front than we've ever had, but still keeps things pretty minimal. Hopefully the tweaks help visitors find information better, and help new visitors understand the site's purpose. Since we don't have our own site-wide search index, we are using Google's search to power site-wide message searches. We'll be exploring the limits of Lucene to power our own site-wide search. Feedback is invited. Thanks! Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Gossip] search going ok
JM, can you look into sorting results by newest-first? I can. The only downside with sorting results by newest-first is that you lose the relevance ordering. Right now, results are displayed according to the search engine's concept of most relevant first. In major search engines like Google and Yahoo, this relevance ordering makes the most sense. Perhaps in our specialized mailing list searching, freshness matters more than relevance? In more advanced queries, the relevance ordering probably matters more, but maybe in the more common simple searches freshness matters more. Jeff ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
Re: [Gossip] Re: Gossip Digest, Vol 38, Issue 4
Great suggestionI like that. We'll play with search word highlighting when you browse to a page via the search results. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 4:03 pm, barry beattie wrote: my 2c worth: just as important as decent search functionality is the ability to quickly review the results for relevance. one of the things I like about Google is the keywords being *bolded* in the search results (like mail-archive.com already does) but in using Google's cached link, shows the item in full with the keywords highlighted. It makes it brilliant to see the keywords in context, allowing quick scanning of the item for relevance - down to a couple of seconds. Additionally, seeing the keywords in full context is far more useful to me than some indicator saying the item has 75% relevance... A tutorial would be helpful. can I respectfully suggest that if a tutorial is needed then it's not intuitive enough anyway? At least not without a bit of experimentation to see what makes it tick... just some polite suggestions, nothing more cheers barry.b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send Gossip mailing list submissions to gossip@jab.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Gossip digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: search library battle royale (Jeff Breidenbach) 2. Re: search library battle royale (Mac Oglesby) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:01:09 -0700 From: Jeff Breidenbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gossip] search library battle royale To: Mac Oglesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: gossip@jab.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't understand a lot of what's been said about evaluating these search engines, but I'll comment anyway. Thanks, appreciated. Much of what's been said is just me having fun. Since, for me at least, easy to use but full-featured search software is a vital part of any archive, the ideal search engine should be powerful, yet intuitive to operate, or come with good instructions. A tutorial would be helpful. That's a great point. Once we've settled on which search software to use, I promise to make sure there's a help link leading to some examples. In the meantime, here's some documentation from the two vendors. To my eye, they are both offer ridiculously overpowered. Kind of like monster trucks. :) PyLucene: http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/queryparsersyntax.html. Xapian: http://www.xapian.org/docs/queryparser.html I'd like to be able to search the results of an earlier search. Here's an example of two searches. The second will return a subset of the first. Mac Oglesby Mac Oglesby AND machines Xapian even has a super fancy algorithm that tries to figure out subtopics within search results. It is way too confusing for my taste, but you can see it action below. Apparently the software thinks you are into dipleidoscopes and ebay. Are you? http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/omega/omega?P=%22Mac+Oglesby%22DEFAULTOP=orDB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.deFMT=query.origxP=Rmac.Roglesby.machin.xDB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.dexFILTERS=--O -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:26:04 -0400 From: Mac Oglesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gossip] search library battle royale To: jeff@jab.org Cc: gossip@jab.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Hi Jeff, Once we've settled on which search software to use, I promise to make sure there's a help link leading to some examples. In the meantime, here's some documentation from the two vendors. To my eye, they are both offer ridiculously overpowered. Kind of like monster trucks. :) Thanks for your time and the examples you developed. And thanks for your promise to post a help link. Please keep in mind that when those of you who already know a process try to explain it to those of us who don't, the result, far too often, is about as clear as mud. Xapian even has a super fancy algorithm that tries to figure out subtopics within search results. It is way too confusing for my taste, but you can see it action below. Apparently the software thinks you are into dipleidoscopes and ebay. Are you? http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/omega/omega?P=%22Mac+Oglesby%22DEFAULTOP=orDB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.deFMT=query.origxP=Rmac.Roglesby.machin.xDB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.dexFILTERS=--O Well, just about everyone is into eBay. And if you aren't into dipleidoscopes yet, what's holding you back?;-) It's almost frightening how much
Re: [Gossip] Re: [Team] search library battle royale [draft]
Lucene: it slices, it dices, it's twice as nice as...well, htDig 3.1 for sure. Here are a couple reasons why Lucene is the Battle Royale champ in my eyes: * Powerful searching features: http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/queryparsersyntax.html - let's see the other kids do all this. * When was the last time you searched Unicode characters on The Mail Archive? That's right, never! But with our experiemental Lucene interface, you can: http://www.mail-archive.com/lucene/search.py?list=freebsd-users-jp%40jp.freebsd.orgquery=%E3%81%95%E3%82%93 Downside/upside: Xapian has the nice Omega web interface. Lucene has Nutch, but for a few reasons it didn't fit our needs. So, our web interface is coded up by hand using PyLucene/modpython. The downside is that it meant a bit more work for us, but the upside is complete configurability. Missing right now is paging - it simply displays the best 100 matches. Downside: our PyLucene interface doesn't have a killer name like Omega. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Breidenbach wrote: If you don't care about search, don't read further. === Sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY! Come see the data crunching, webpage hopping, free-styling search library action. Two monster libraries, titans of Free Software technology, compete to become the native search engine for The Mail Archive. Watch as Xapian Omega crushes and destroys the competition, finishing off queries in milliseconds. This probabilistic juggernaut is a battle tested, email chewing reigning champion in Europe. Honed for years and more hardened than quartz, Jeff Breidenbach will drive Xapian Omega during this Battle Royale. PyLucene is a mild mannered garbage collectin' programming library just like your mom's search index. That is, if your mom's search index could jump partitions, crush gigabytes down to tiny sements, and plow through millions of records. Forged on the anvil of a Xerox PARC alumni, brimming with black magic, Lucene will be wrought by the indomitable Jeff Marshall. We're taking these two byte belching, buffer oversized, monster libraries and pitting them head to head. Old geezer HtDig 3.1 will also make a final appearance in the arena. All three engines can run on any list, just by replacing gossip@jab.org with the listname of your choice. Who will win the monster rally? Xapian vs Lucene? Jeff vs Jeff? Yes, you decide! Send comments to gossip, or privately if you are shy, for the next week or so. Bonus points for using phrases like like slamming! spectacular or crushed like a bug. Who's got the slickest user interface? Which contender has superior data-crunching performance? How about grits, determination and the baddest sounding name? Want to see something tweaked? Have questions? Ask and it will be done if humanly possible - this is a gritty bit-for-bit battle of hotrod software and programmer ingenuity no holds barred. Ladies and gentlemen... Start your search engines! HtDig3.1 http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gossip_jab_orgwords=magically Xapian Omega http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/omega/omega?P=magically[EMAIL PROTECTED] PyLucene http://www.mail-archive.com/lucene/[EMAIL PROTECTED]query=magically ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Subscription confirmation
Torsten, I've gone ahead and replied to the confirmation for you, so you should not have to do anything now. I thought we did not have the email protected displayed on that confirmation archiveotherwise it's obviously impossible for you to do it. We'll look into things. Thanks. Jeff -Original Message- From: Torsten Schlabach Date: 7/27/06 11:35 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Subscription confirmation Hi! How would I handle this subscription confirmation message: http://www.mail-archive.com/archive@mail-archive.com/msg08825.html It comes from an Ezmlm installation. Did I overlook anything? Regards, Torsten ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] rdf vs. rss
I received a few private votes for keeping the .xml rss 2.0 feed, if we eliminate one of them. Thanks. Jeff -Original Message- From: Jeff Marshall Date: 7/18/06 10:37 am To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] rdf vs. rss We currently serve up two flavors of rss on The Mail Archive. Does anybody have a strong preference on which one they use? Does it matter to you? Are they virtually interchangeable? We're considering dropping one. Thanks. Jeff ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] rdf vs. rss
More details for those that asked: rdf and xml (I should've said xml, not rss) are both variations on RSS formats. Each mailing list at The Mail Archive has both feed formats available. For example, the gossip feeds are: rdf: http://www.mail-archive.com/gossip@jab.org/maillist.rdf xml: http://www.mail-archive.com/gossip@jab.org/maillist.xml The rdf file is the 0.9 standard for rss feeds, while the xml file is the 2.0 standard for rss feeds. If you don't use an rss reader or take advantage of the rss bookmarks in browsers like Firefox, then neither of these matter to you. Our thought is that all modern rss readers support both formats, so we don't see the point in offering both. Just looking for feedback from any others that use the rss feeds. Thanks. Jeff More details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS_%28file_format%29 -Original Message- From: Jeff Marshall Date: 7/18/06 10:37 am To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] rdf vs. rss We currently serve up two flavors of rss on The Mail Archive. Does anybody have a strong preference on which one they use? Does it matter to you? Are they virtually interchangeable? We're considering dropping one. Thanks. Jeff ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
Re: [Gossip] Problem with spambot detection
No resolutionI made a page with a special URL for Ronald to try hitting so I could see his browser's User-Agent, but I haven't heard anything back yet. Ronald, if you get a chance, please email me. The User-Agent is the only criteria that is used by our Apache config to display that spambot page, so it's really odd that it would come up for any standard browser. Jeff -Original Message- From: Jeff Breidenbach Date: 7/5/06 10:44 pm To: Jeff Marshall Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], gossip@jab.org Subj: Re: [Gossip] Problem with spambot detection Whatever happened with this? Did it get resolved? Does anyone else have this problem? On 19 Jun 2006 21:06:58 -0700, Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yikes, that shouldn't be happening at all for anything other than well-known spambot user agents. I'll look into the stats on how often this is coming up. I may follow up with you for some quick debugging help. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ronald Nissley Date: 6/19/06 6:14 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Problem with spambot detection I frequently see the following when viewing (IE6 SP2) mailing list archives. It's very annoying! Spambot detected. Hi, our server has decided that you are, in fact, not a human being, but rather a sinister computer program designed to scoop up email addresses and bombard them with unsolicited advertisements. Since we find that kind of conduct reprehensible, we have decided to deny you access to our site. If we made a mistake, and you really are a human being, we apologize profusely. It just happens that your browser looks VERY similar to a known spambot. Try using a different browser and you should have no problem connecting to the site. Have a good day (and die, spambots, die) ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Problem with spambot detection
Yikes, that shouldn't be happening at all for anything other than well-known spambot user agents. I'll look into the stats on how often this is coming up. I may follow up with you for some quick debugging help. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ronald Nissley Date: 6/19/06 6:14 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Problem with spambot detection I frequently see the following when viewing (IE6 SP2) mailing list archives. It's very annoying! Spambot detected. Hi, our server has decided that you are, in fact, not a human being, but rather a sinister computer program designed to scoop up email addresses and bombard them with unsolicited advertisements. Since we find that kind of conduct reprehensible, we have decided to deny you access to our site. If we made a mistake, and you really are a human being, we apologize profusely. It just happens that your browser looks VERY similar to a known spambot. Try using a different browser and you should have no problem connecting to the site. Have a good day (and die, spambots, die) ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] yahoo groups destroying mail-archive.com formatting ? unreadable) - can anything be done?
Yikes, thanks for reporting that Barry. That's actually my fault. I was annoyed at Yahoo embedding their sponsored links boxes repeatedly into their yahoogroups messages (and it technically puts us in violation of google's terms of service with our text ad) and was attempting to regex them out. The regex'ing worked fine on all the samples I tested, but it looks like you found some big flaws. I've temporarily disabled my regex until I get the proper fix in. Thanks! Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: barry beattie Date: 5/22/06 4:59 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] yahoo groups destroying mail-archive.com formatting (unreadable) - can anything be done? (well, I'm guessing it's because of yahoo groups...) large sections (sometimes almost all) of the email ends up not being displayed for an example, start here and follow the thread http://mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com/msg28282.html there's a long conversation going on here but the only thing displayed are greetings another example: this is a reply, missing the bulk of the message http://mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com/msg28280.html while this is a reply to the above but showing the origional mesaage, not truncated. http://mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com/msg28286.html is there anything that can be done? thanx b ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Apache Ant lists on www.mail-archive.com
Antoine, both [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] show up for me when I search for ant on The Mail Archive's home page. I see 43 matches for ant, and both dev and user are on the list. How many results for ant show up for you? Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Antoine Levy-Lambert Date: 4/13/06 12:47 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Apache Ant lists on www.mail-archive.com Hello, for some reason, the dev@ant.apache.org and user@ant.apache.org are present on the www.mailarchive.com web site for instance using this URL : http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@ant.apache.org/ , but cannot be found when searching list names like this : http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php?autobahn=nolimithunt=ant Does ant (or the apache project) need to update something ? These mailing lists used to be called ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe the renaming caused problems ? Regards, Antoine ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] ezmlm confirmation
Hari, I went ahead and took care of the confirmation reply for you. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Hari Krishna Dara Date: 4/6/06 3:59 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] ezmlm confirmation I am trying to add the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list to the archive and found it difficult to respond. I found the confirmation email in the archive (following the FAQ), but to respond to it, I need the reply-to header. If I click on the reply button at the bottom, it brings up my outlook compose window, but doesn't have the right To. I don't know if it is normal, but for this particular subscription, the command is in the reply-to itself. Even if I can view the headers, I can extract this information out and send the confirmation, but there seems to be no way to see the headers. I would appreciate any help. Thanks, Hari ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Where did my archives go (Telecom-Cities)?
Anthony, nothing is lost. Your current archive is: http://www.mail-archive.com/telecom-cities@googlegroups.com/ Your old archive is: http://www.mail-archive.com/telecom-cities@forums.nyu.edu/ Your old archive no longer appears when searching on our front page because it is no longer active. However, we will always retain the old archive - we will never delete it. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Anthony Townsend Date: 3/6/06 11:30 am To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Where did my archives go (Telecom-Cities)? I moved my list Telecom-Cities from a university-based listserv to Google Groups about a month ago and for some reason, Mail-Archive blew away the old archives and started a new one automatically. Can someone please help me find/restore the old archive! I've lost at least 2 years worth of messages. ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Merging various mailing list archives
Julien, we should be able to help you. Go ahead and send the full mbox files to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It'd be a help if you could trim out the messages that are in the current archive. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Julien Guertault Date: 11/8/05 6:40 am To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Merging various mailing list archives Hello, The fvwm mailing list archives (fvwm-users and fvwm-workers) are splitted into various parts (to my knowledge, three of each), making it difficult for users to browse them. We have two single mbox files available, covering the whole archives. The mailing list addresses change various times though. I would like to know if it is possible to replace those archives with the merged ones. Best regards, -- Julien Guertault ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] archive qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Nick, it looks like we received three messages from the qmailtoaster list on July 9th. All of them had the X-No-Archive: yes header in them, so our service automatically discarded them. Once you disable this header in ezmlm then your messages will begin archiving. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 7/12/05 2:37 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] archive [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have been attempting to archive [EMAIL PROTECTED] without success. I do have our ezmlm list setup as per your instructions. Any help will be appreciated. Regards, Nick Hemmesch ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
Re: [Gossip] Reply button - why not cc: the list?
(Mail Archive admin jumping in) We don't want to post back to lists via the archive@mail-archive.com address. Spamming would be too easy and many lists want to have controlled subscriber/poster lists. We like the fact that no mail heads outbound from our server. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner Date: 6/28/05 8:17 am To: gossip@jab.org Subj: Re: [Gossip] Reply button - why not cc: the list? On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Torsten Schlabach wrote: I think that even with two buttons you'd make casual surfers (people referred from Google, say) believe they can reply to the list when they can't. Can't they? The archive is subscribed to the list. So the archive would be able to send messages to the list on behalf of the user, wouldn't it? I never thought of that. But as a list owner, I'm not sure I'd want people being able to send messages to the list that way. It would defeat the subscription mechanism, and allow anyone (including spammers) to send anonymous messages. -- Stephen Turner, Cambridge, UK http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adelie/stephen/ Low Priced Cambridge Clare College. Big selection at eBay UK! (Ad after Google search for Clare College Cambridge) ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Only Welcome mail got archived
All of the messages that we've received to these two lists have the X-No-Archive: yes header. We do not archive messages with this header. Please check the settings on your mailing list to see if something is setting that header on all messages. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Torsten Schlabach Date: 4/26/05 1:51 am To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Only Welcome mail got archived Hi, I has tried to add the lists dev@lenya.apache.org and [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the archive. It appeared to succeed in the first place as the lists are know the the archive and the Welcome message got archived. But no further mails are beeing archived. Any idea how to debug the problem? Regards, Torsten Schlabach ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
[Gossip] Archiving on hold for a bit
Archiving has been on hold today unexpectedly. We're working on a filesystem problem before turning it back on. All inbound mail to The Mail Archive is queuing on a backup server, so no messages will be lost. Sorry about the delay in servicing. We'll let you know when we kick the archiver back on. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Archiving on hold for a bit
Update: the two Jeffs are having a pleasant evening in the data center. :) We're swapping out a drive that looks like it is on its last legs, and we're beefing up storage capacity with another few hundred gigs as long as we are here. We discovered that our backup mail server was rejecting a lot of the mail today. We've fixed the backup mail server's settings and it queued a big influx of mail right away. There may be some list servers that dropped the archive@mail-archive.com address due to bounced mail. We will take a look at this over the weekend, after we get the new drives up and running. We're sorry about the unexpected downtime. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jeff Marshall Date: 4/22/05 2:23 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Archiving on hold for a bit Archiving has been on hold today unexpectedly. We're working on a filesystem problem before turning it back on. All inbound mail to The Mail Archive is queuing on a backup server, so no messages will be lost. Sorry about the delay in servicing. We'll let you know when we kick the archiver back on. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Archiving on hold for a bit
Okay, the service is back up and everything appears to be in order. We'll have to catch up on Friday's archiving on Saturday. Please holler if you see any issues. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jeff Marshall Date: 4/22/05 8:55 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: RE: [Gossip] Archiving on hold for a bit Update: the two Jeffs are having a pleasant evening in the data center. :) We're swapping out a drive that looks like it is on its last legs, and we're beefing up storage capacity with another few hundred gigs as long as we are here. We discovered that our backup mail server was rejecting a lot of the mail today. We've fixed the backup mail server's settings and it queued a big influx of mail right away. There may be some list servers that dropped the archive@mail-archive.com address due to bounced mail. We will take a look at this over the weekend, after we get the new drives up and running. We're sorry about the unexpected downtime. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jeff Marshall Date: 4/22/05 2:23 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Archiving on hold for a bit Archiving has been on hold today unexpectedly. We're working on a filesystem problem before turning it back on. All inbound mail to The Mail Archive is queuing on a backup server, so no messages will be lost. Sorry about the delay in servicing. We'll let you know when we kick the archiver back on. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Lost list
Randye, the older archive is still on The Mail Archive here: http://www.mail-archive.com/spacedock@scifi-rpgs.com/ It is no longer listed in the Active Lists (the lists you find by entering a name in the search box on the front page) since the list from that older domain hasn't received messages since December 1st. I was able to find it by navigating the full historical index here: http://www.mail-archive.com/history.html We don't purge archives at all. The archive will remain there as long as you want it to. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Randye Jones Date: 4/18/05 2:26 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Lost list Quite a while back, our email list, spacedock, was archived on the mail archive service. When we moved from scifi-rpgs.com to a new domain a few months ago, apparently the archive was not resubbed to the new location. Have all the emails archived in the past be purged? If not, how can we access them? BTW, I have now resubbed archive@mail-archive.com to our new domain at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Randye J. ~~ |Randye Jones |) Afrocentric Voices in Classical Music /|http://www.afrovoices.com ( | ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Searching imported messages
Steve, it depends on when you imported those messages. If it was this week, then they will appear in the search engine by this weekend. If you imported your older messages earlier than this week, then there may be a problem on our end that we'll look into. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steven Passmore Date: 4/13/05 11:34 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Searching imported messages Is there a way to get imported messages in the search index? The repeater-builder list has searchable messages starting in January 05 when the archive was started but using the bounce.pl tool I imported messages dating back to Nov 2003. The messages that were imported do not show up when searching. Yet by manipulating msg number in the url they can be seen. Thanks, Steve ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
Re: [Gossip] Searching imported messages
Okay, thanks. We'll take a look at your archive to try and find out what is wrong with the search index. We'll get back to you as soon as we find the problem. Sorry about the search issue. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steven Passmore Date: 4/14/05 8:39 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: Re: [Gossip] Searching imported messages Jeff, I imported them shortly after the group archive was established in January. Thanks, Steve - Original Message - From: Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gossip@jab.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: RE: [Gossip] Searching imported messages Steve, it depends on when you imported those messages. If it was this week, then they will appear in the search engine by this weekend. If you imported your older messages earlier than this week, then there may be a problem on our end that we'll look into. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steven Passmore Date: 4/13/05 11:34 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Searching imported messages Is there a way to get imported messages in the search index? The repeater-builder list has searchable messages starting in January 05 when the archive was started but using the bounce.pl tool I imported messages dating back to Nov 2003. The messages that were imported do not show up when searching. Yet by manipulating msg number in the url they can be seen. Thanks, Steve ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Messages not being indexed?
Julio, it takes up to one week before new lists become searchable. So wait through the weekend and you should see the searching start working for you. Thanks for the question. Let us know if you have any problems or suggestions. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Julio Juncal Date: 3/16/05 7:56 pm To: Gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Messages not being indexed? I have added the list Translist to the Archive. However, I tried to search several terms, but they don't come up as hits. Curiously, one (diana) in the first archived message is found. My apologies for this newbie query. -- Julio A. Juncal http://ntun.blogspot.com http://transnotes.blogspot.com http://groups-beta.google.com/group/termxchange ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Where'd my old archive go?
Dennis, your old archive is still there. We don't delete anything. Archives that are no longer active don't show up in the search box on our front page. You can reach older lists by browsing the history pages (http://www.mail-archive.com/history.html). Your old archive is here: http://www.mail-archive.com/morphmet@wfubmc.edu/ Your new archive is here: http://www.mail-archive.com/morphmet@morphometrics.org/ Jeff -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Slice Date: 1/27/05 10:11 pm To: gossip@jab.org Subj: [Gossip] Where'd my old archive go? I run a list called morphmet. It was formerly morphmet@wfubmc.edu, but changed in November to [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I set up the new list address, both appeared in an archive search. Now only the newer one appears and the archives of the older one seem to have vanished. Is the older archive lost forever? -dslice -- Dennis E. Slice Institute for Anthropology University of Vienna Vienna, Austria email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
Re: [Gossip] Mail Archive copycat site
Just a quick update. Following contacts with him and his ISP, he has removed the most obvious copied portions from his FAQ. Jeff Jeff Marshall wrote: We thought it'd be a good idea to let users of The Mail Archive know about a copycat site that we are dealing with. Back in April we found that someone in Australia had copied a significant portion of the mail-archive.com website and then changed the logo at the top and inserted his own ads on the pages. We weren't too thrilled with this and his ISP helped remove it (the logo he used happened to resemble a swastika, too). We've found that he recently put his site back up under a new name (opensubscriber.com; it was diezmil.com the first time). This time it looks like he's actually running some archiving code (perhaps our GPL'd code; not sure) instead of simply copying our web pages. Running another archiving service is in itself fine; we happily recommend respectable mailing list archivers like gmane.org and marc.theaimsgroup.com. These sites are run by people that have put in a lot of hard work on creative and original archiving approaches, and they do a terrific job. The issue we're having with this copycat site is that he's directly copied FAQ entries from our site - along with wording on the front page - and claimed the copyright on it. He has also seeded his mailing lists with our list-of-lists, which is the main reason to alert all of you subscribed to this gossip mailing list. It's up to you whether or not you like your mailing list being archived on this other website, and what you do about it. But again, if you are looking to mirror your archives on sites more than The Mail Archive, we recommend gmane.org and marc.theaimsgroup.com. We'll be pursuing the copyright issue on this other site. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
[Gossip] Mail Archive copycat site
We thought it'd be a good idea to let users of The Mail Archive know about a copycat site that we are dealing with. Back in April we found that someone in Australia had copied a significant portion of the mail-archive.com website and then changed the logo at the top and inserted his own ads on the pages. We weren't too thrilled with this and his ISP helped remove it (the logo he used happened to resemble a swastika, too). We've found that he recently put his site back up under a new name (opensubscriber.com; it was diezmil.com the first time). This time it looks like he's actually running some archiving code (perhaps our GPL'd code; not sure) instead of simply copying our web pages. Running another archiving service is in itself fine; we happily recommend respectable mailing list archivers like gmane.org and marc.theaimsgroup.com. These sites are run by people that have put in a lot of hard work on creative and original archiving approaches, and they do a terrific job. The issue we're having with this copycat site is that he's directly copied FAQ entries from our site - along with wording on the front page - and claimed the copyright on it. He has also seeded his mailing lists with our list-of-lists, which is the main reason to alert all of you subscribed to this gossip mailing list. It's up to you whether or not you like your mailing list being archived on this other website, and what you do about it. But again, if you are looking to mirror your archives on sites more than The Mail Archive, we recommend gmane.org and marc.theaimsgroup.com. We'll be pursuing the copyright issue on this other site. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
[Gossip] Easier list subscriptions
I'm following up on this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/gossip@jab.org/msg00946.html We are making it a bit easier to subscribe lists to The Mail Archive. If you add the archive@mail-archive.com address to a list's subscription page, the confirmation message should appear here (except for SourceForge messages for the moment; we'll fix the routing on that case): http://www.mail-archive.com/archive@mail-archive.com/ We are giving this a trial run. We aren't publicizing this yet, other than this email. Comments, bugs, issues, etc are always welcome. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
[Gossip] Logo on your mailing list?
Is anyone interested in adding a logo to your mailing list's pages on The Mail Archive? Let me know and I'd be happy to help do this. Or get in touch with me if you'd like to try something fancier with the look feel on your list. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Discussion list for The Mail Archive Gossip@jab.org http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Bad links in search results
Paul, thanks for pointing that out. It looks like quite a few of the messages that come up in the search results on that particular list are having a problem. We'll look into it and see what we can fix. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/11/04 9:12 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: [Gossip] Bad links in search results I went to the archives for the velocity-user list, and did a search on thread safe. All of the links in the search results page went to an error page that said the message did not exist. When I just browsed the archive without searching, the links worked. --Paul Lynch -- Mailblocks - A Better Way to Do Email http://about.mailblocks.com/info ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
[Gossip] New look feel on message/thread pages; CSS customization for your list
We've rolled out the new CSS-based look feel to The Mail Archive's thread and message pages. Please let us know if you experience any problems. Please contact us if you'd like to provide a custom CSS layout for your mailing list. Each mailing list can support it's own stylesheet. We will post the guidelines in our FAQ soon. Basically, we're happy to let you do any kind of custom look for your mailing list's thread and message pages. We will ask you to send us the CSS file(s) and image files, which we will host. It can be as simple as adding a logo or as fancy as customizing the whole look to match your organization's website. A few bonuses: - New keyboard shortcut support if you have a browser that supports it (like FireFox). When reading messages, you can use Alt-n to go to the next message by thread, Alt-p to go to the earlier message by thread. Also Alt-f, Alt-b, Alt-i, Alt-c. See http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#accesskeys for the usage. - Easy RSS bookmarking if you have a browser that supports it (again, like FireFox). In FireFox, you'll see an RSS icon in the lower-right corner of your browser when viewing thread and message pages. You can click it to bookmark the RSS feed. From your browser's bookmark menu you'll now see a submenu that shows the 10 latest messages for the mailing list. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
Re: [Gossip] New look feel on message/thread pages; CSS customization for your list
I realized I should've been a little clearer. We have rolled out the new look feel to all new incoming messages starting this weekend. All existing message pages have not been updated yet. We're talking with Earl Hood about the best way to do this with existing MHonArc pages. As an added bonus, we bumped up the maximum number of messages tracked by the Thread/Date index pages to 3000 from 1000. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Marshall wrote: We've rolled out the new CSS-based look feel to The Mail Archive's thread and message pages. Please let us know if you experience any problems. Please contact us if you'd like to provide a custom CSS layout for your mailing list. Each mailing list can support it's own stylesheet. We will post the guidelines in our FAQ soon. Basically, we're happy to let you do any kind of custom look for your mailing list's thread and message pages. We will ask you to send us the CSS file(s) and image files, which we will host. It can be as simple as adding a logo or as fancy as customizing the whole look to match your organization's website. A few bonuses: - New keyboard shortcut support if you have a browser that supports it (like FireFox). When reading messages, you can use Alt-n to go to the next message by thread, Alt-p to go to the earlier message by thread. Also Alt-f, Alt-b, Alt-i, Alt-c. See http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#accesskeys for the usage. - Easy RSS bookmarking if you have a browser that supports it (again, like FireFox). In FireFox, you'll see an RSS icon in the lower-right corner of your browser when viewing thread and message pages. You can click it to bookmark the RSS feed. From your browser's bookmark menu you'll now see a submenu that shows the 10 latest messages for the mailing list. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
[Gossip] Reducing spam on The Mail Archive
We have signed up The Mail Archive with the Postini virus spam blocking service. We're trying it out for a month to see how well it works. We activated it over the weekend. Please alert us if you think a message may have been blocked. We are sifting through the quarantined messages to look for false positives and have been finding a scattered few messages that should've gone through. We've noticed it with an MSN group and some non-english messages. We are whitelisting where appropriate. On the plus side, it's already blocked about 300 virus messages in two days, along with 500 get-rich, prescription drug, random garbage spam messages. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
[Gossip] Beta of new design for The Mail Archive
Jeff Breidenbach and I would love to have everyone's feedback on a beta version of a new look for The Mail Archive: http://unagi.mail-archive.com:8080/ We'd like to open the floor to criticisms, complaints, bugs, overall impressions, etc. We only have two partial list archives to look at on this beta site. We can add some more if it would help people comment on it. This is not a functional overhaul; for the most part, it is cosmetic. We are switching to a full CSS design which will gives us all (Jeff and I, as well as all of you soon) a lot of flexibility. We aren't rushing to push this out to the live site. We'll take the time to hear people's comments and to see how we can fix things up as nice as possible before we roll this out. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] planned downtime tomorrow
Hardware upgrades are complete. We dropped in fresh hot spares drives for the RAID, an extra drive for another layer of local backups, and upgraded the CPU power. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jeff Breidenbach Date: 7/10/04 11:58 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: [Gossip] planned downtime tomorrow Hi all, The Mail Archive will have some planned downtime tomorrow in two stages. 02:00 - 12:45 UTC-0700 Inbound mail will be queued. Web access will be available. System will undergo full backup. 12:45 - 15:45 UTC-0700 Inbound mail will be queued. Web access will NOT be available. Hardware updates to primary server. Cheers, Jeff ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
RE: [Gossip] Mail Archive
I see two bltech archives. One contains only your test message. The other contains five normal looking messages. The difference between the two archives is the address: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ - test archive http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ - actual archive Both come up when you search for bltech on The Mail Archive homepage. Please let me know if it is still missing messages. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Eric Vaughan -- illustro Systems Date: 6/1/04 9:20 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: [Gossip] Mail Archive I just added one of our lists to the mail archive by adding [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the subscription list. The list is called BLTECH. I sent a test message shortly after the subscription, and it showed up, but ever since then (1 week), none of the other messages posted on the list are showing up. Ideas or pointers would be appreciated. *-* Eric Vaughan illustro Systems International, LLC --- See The Light--- Visit www.illustro.com to experience: z/Web-Host -- Easy Web-enabling for your Mainframe z/XML-Host -- Easy XML Enablement for your Mainframe Tel: +1.214.800.8900 Fax: +1.214.800.8989 *-* ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
Re: [Gossip] can't find my list :-(
Smeagol, your list will show up fine in a day or two. You were unlucky enough to catch mail-archive in the middle of a large hardware upgrade and server relocation. New mail processing was disabled during the upgrade to make sure the service wouldn't lose any mail. It is now processing the backlog of mail and you should expect your new list to operate normally within a couple days. Sorry for the inconvenience. On the plus side, the new hardware is in place and has better RAID protection for all of the lists. This is as good a time as any to introduce myself to the list. I'm a friend of Jeff Breidenbach's and I am now working with him on mail-archive to reduce his workload and to help make improvements to the service. I'll be happy to provide any support and to field suggestions. Thanks. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip
