[GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Markus Neteler]

Dear PSC,

time has passed since the last elections in 2012. As the chair of the
PSC I suggest that we renew part of the current PSC (see:
https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC#Members).
I suggest the following tentative schedule:

- May 2016: preannounce elections (see this email) and
  - identify members who do not stand for election
  - identify inactive members (here the Geoserver PSC has some useful rules [1]
  - assign free'd up slots to election

- May 2016: officially announce PSC elections

- 16 June 2016, 12:00 UTC: nominations possible by community

- June 2016: elections (here it would be great use the technology of
the OSGeo charter member elections)
  Here we have the problem to not have a charter membership.

- July 2016: PSC communicates the new members.


IMPORTANT:
We need to solve the following issues:
- how to remove members from the PSC? (see [1] for inspiration)
- how to elect new members?

Best,
Markus

[1] 
http://docs.geoserver.org/latest/en/developer/policies/psc.html#stepping-down
[2] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016 (draft)

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Michael Barton]

Again, this sounds good to me. I thought GRASS IS a charter member of OSGEO. We 
were part of the initial formation of the organization.

Michael

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> On May 14, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> 
> Dear PSC,
> 
> time has passed since the last elections in 2012. As the chair of the
> PSC I suggest that we renew part of the current PSC (see:
> https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC#Members).
> I suggest the following tentative schedule:
> 
> - May 2016: preannounce elections (see this email) and
>  - identify members who do not stand for election
>  - identify inactive members (here the Geoserver PSC has some useful rules [1]
>  - assign free'd up slots to election
> 
> - May 2016: officially announce PSC elections
> 
> - 16 June 2016, 12:00 UTC: nominations possible by community
> 
> - June 2016: elections (here it would be great use the technology of
> the OSGeo charter member elections)
>  Here we have the problem to not have a charter membership.
> 
> - July 2016: PSC communicates the new members.
> 
> 
> IMPORTANT:
> We need to solve the following issues:
> - how to remove members from the PSC? (see [1] for inspiration)
> - how to elect new members?
> 
> Best,
> Markus
> 
> [1] 
> http://docs.geoserver.org/latest/en/developer/policies/psc.html#stepping-down
> [2] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016 (draft)
> 
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Markus Neteler]

On May 14, 2016 8:11 PM, "Michael Barton"  wrote:
>
> Again, this sounds good to me. I thought GRASS IS a charter member of
OSGEO. We were part of the initial formation of the organization.

Of course. But I was referring to our elections, to who can vote (the GRASS
GIS community) and technologically how.

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Helena Mitasova]

> On May 14, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> 
> Dear PSC,
> 
> time has passed since the last elections in 2012. As the chair of the
> PSC I suggest that we renew part of the current PSC (see:
> https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC#Members).
> I suggest the following tentative schedule:
> 
> - May 2016: preannounce elections (see this email) and
>  - identify members who do not stand for election
>  - identify inactive members (here the Geoserver PSC has some useful rules [1]

I find the Geoserver rules rather drastic - they are really important for 
governance model where 
PSC makes a lot of decisions about development which is not the case for GRASS
I assume that our inactive members won’t be interested in standing for election 
and
that way their membership will end.
As suggested, we should have 3 year term membership so everybody will have to be
re-elected at least once in 3 years.
I like the way how the board of directors is elected - it ensures both the 
continuity and rotation of members.

>  - assign free'd up slots to election
> 
> - May 2016: officially announce PSC elections
> 
> - 16 June 2016, 12:00 UTC: nominations possible by community
> 
> - June 2016: elections (here it would be great use the technology of
> the OSGeo charter member elections)

there will be new technology used this year - Vasile knows more about it.

>  Here we have the problem to not have a charter membership.

we can have a system where anybody can nominate a candidate and the 
contributors with 
svn access (both core and add-ons) vote - can you find out how many we have ?
This is just my suggestion to keep things simple - we can put this out for 
dicussion on the 
GRASS dev and users list.
> 
> - July 2016: PSC communicates the new members.
> 
> 
> IMPORTANT:
> We need to solve the following issues:
> - how to remove members from the PSC? (see [1] for inspiration)

see my comment above - I don’t think the Geoserver model is good for us
(I don’t like kicking people out of anything), I think members should go 
through re-election every 3 years
if we start with this elections, third of the current member slots should open 
up
and the current members affected should stand or not stand for re-election.
We can randomly  pick up the slots to be freed to start the cycle.

> - how to elect new members?

if we have enough developers with svn access (core and add-on) they could 
represent “charter members”
because they are considered trusted members of the community.
But it would be good to find a way how to include power users who do not have 
svn access.
In the document [2], I think the nomination should go also to GRASS dev list 
(in addition to PSC and users list).

These are just my thoughts, others may have better ideas,

Helena


> 
> Best,
> Markus
> 
> [1] 
> http://docs.geoserver.org/latest/en/developer/policies/psc.html#stepping-down
> [2] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016 (draft)
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Earth, and Atmospheric Sciences
and Center for Geospatial Analytics
North Carolina State University
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Moritz Lennert]

On 15/05/16 04:17, Helena Mitasova wrote:



  Here we have the problem to not have a charter membership.


we can have a system where anybody can nominate a candidate and the 
contributors with
svn access (both core and add-ons) vote - can you find out how many we have ?



+1

On the rest, i.e. removing members and annual rotating election of 1/3, 
I'm not sure that this is really worth the hassle in the GRASS case. I 
think one election every three years could be enough, although I do 
acknowledge the potential advantage of rotation in that it allows more 
easily and proactively integration of newcomers...



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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Michael Barton]

What Helena says makes sense

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On May 15, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Moritz Lennert 
mailto:mlenn...@club.worldonline.be>> wrote:

On 15/05/16 04:17, Helena Mitasova wrote:

 Here we have the problem to not have a charter membership.

we can have a system where anybody can nominate a candidate and the 
contributors with
svn access (both core and add-ons) vote - can you find out how many we have ?


+1

On the rest, i.e. removing members and annual rotating election of 1/3, I'm not 
sure that this is really worth the hassle in the GRASS case. I think one 
election every three years could be enough, although I do acknowledge the 
potential advantage of rotation in that it allows more easily and proactively 
integration of newcomers...


Moritz

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Markus Neteler]

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 4:17 AM, Helena Mitasova  wrote:
>> On May 14, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
>> Dear PSC,
>>
>> time has passed since the last elections in 2012. As the chair of the
>> PSC I suggest that we renew part of the current PSC (see:
>> https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC#Members).
>> I suggest the following tentative schedule:
>>
>> - May 2016: preannounce elections (see this email) and
>>  - identify members who do not stand for election
>>  - identify inactive members (here the Geoserver PSC has some useful rules 
>> [1]
>
> I find the Geoserver rules rather drastic - they are really important for 
> governance model where
> PSC makes a lot of decisions about development which is not the case for GRASS

ok, agreed.

> I assume that our inactive members won’t be interested in standing for 
> election and
> that way their membership will end.
> As suggested, we should have 3 year term membership so everybody will have to 
> be
> re-elected at least once in 3 years.
> I like the way how the board of directors is elected - it ensures both the 
> continuity and rotation of members.

I am fine with that. The point is: all for election now or ~ half of the PSC?
From off-list communication I know that 3 seats will become vacant.
We have 10 PSC seats in total, hence 3  becoming vacant, 7 for
potential re-election.

I see three options now:
a) fill the 3 slots by election;  In 3 years from now elect ~ 50% of the PSC.
b) identify more current members to volunteer for potential
re-election or randomly select them.
c) Dissolve the PSC and have election of all slots.


>>  - assign free'd up slots to election
>> - May 2016: officially announce PSC elections

We need to hurry up :)

>> - 16 June 2016, 12:00 UTC: nominations possible by community
>> - June 2016: elections (here it would be great use the technology of
>>   the OSGeo charter member elections)
>
> there will be new technology used this year - Vasile knows more about it.

I'll contact him.

>>  Here we have the problem to not have a charter membership.
>
> we can have a system where anybody can nominate a candidate and the 
> contributors with
> svn access (both core and add-ons) vote - can you find out how many we have ?

Yes:
https://www.openhub.net/p/grass_gis/contributors
(forget about the "inactive" indication there, not true for all names
tagged there)

> This is just my suggestion to keep things simple - we can put this out for 
> dicussion on the
> GRASS dev and users list.

Yes. This list is not much read anyway.

>> - July 2016: PSC communicates the new members.
>>
>>
>> IMPORTANT:
>> We need to solve the following issues:
>> - how to remove members from the PSC? (see [1] for inspiration)
>
> see my comment above - I don’t think the Geoserver model is good for us
> (I don’t like kicking people out of anything), I think members should go 
> through re-election every 3 years
> if we start with this elections, third of the current member slots should 
> open up
> and the current members affected should stand or not stand for re-election.
> We can randomly  pick up the slots to be freed to start the cycle.

So you suggest to elect 50% = 5 slots this time?
That would correspond to b) above.

>> - how to elect new members?
>
> if we have enough developers with svn access (core and add-on) they could 
> represent “charter members”
> because they are considered trusted members of the community.

... that makes sense but is not too inclusive.

> But it would be good to find a way how to include power users who do not have 
> svn access.

We could add the Addon SVN contributors.
Perhaps also check who is editing trac.
How to scan the mailing list I don't know.
Another option is "must be nominated by at least X other users/mailing
list members".

Honestly, I currently don't have the time to run a complicated system.
Any volunteer?

> In the document [2], I think the nomination should go also to GRASS dev list 
> (in addition to PSC and users list).

Yes. But: this requires a list subscription. Or one of us forwards it.

Markus


>>
>> [1] 
>> http://docs.geoserver.org/latest/en/developer/policies/psc.html#stepping-down
>> [2] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016 (draft)
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Markus Neteler]

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 4:17 AM, Helena Mitasova  wrote:
>> On May 14, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
...
>> - June 2016: elections (here it would be great use the technology of
>> the OSGeo charter member elections)
>
> there will be new technology used this year - Vasile knows more about it.

I asked him: it is the same as in the last 2 years: Limesurvey.

>>  Here we have the problem to not have a charter membership.
>
> we can have a system where anybody can nominate a candidate and the 
> contributors with
> svn access (both core and add-ons) vote - can you find out how many we have ?

I have done that (also Martin L could do) by querying the registered

  38 GRASS Core developers
  79 GRASS Addon developers
 117 total

A few names are double, so unique names:
 105 total

Like the QGIS project (AFAIK), we could add the translators:
100 translators

> if we have enough developers with svn access (core and add-on) they could 
> represent “charter members”
> because they are considered trusted members of the community.

Agreed.

> But it would be good to find a way how to include power users who do not have 
> svn access.

Exactly.

The questions are
- how get get in the power users, how to "identify" them?
- and: how to contact all people mentioned above? Those with OSGeo ID
I can lookup in the system, the CSV tables are fine, too. Mass
mailing?

> This is just my suggestion to keep things simple - we can put this out for 
> dicussion on the
> GRASS dev and users list.

Yes.
Let's complete this pre-round here, then I am happy to bring it up
there with a concrete proposal we agree upon in this list.

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Michael Barton]

Thanks for doing this. It sounds like a good procedure so far.

Michael

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Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity 
Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

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> On Jun 2, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 4:17 AM, Helena Mitasova  wrote:
>>> On May 14, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> ...
>>> - June 2016: elections (here it would be great use the technology of
>>> the OSGeo charter member elections)
>> 
>> there will be new technology used this year - Vasile knows more about it.
> 
> I asked him: it is the same as in the last 2 years: Limesurvey.
> 
>>> Here we have the problem to not have a charter membership.
>> 
>> we can have a system where anybody can nominate a candidate and the 
>> contributors with
>> svn access (both core and add-ons) vote - can you find out how many we have ?
> 
> I have done that (also Martin L could do) by querying the registered
> 
>  38 GRASS Core developers
>  79 GRASS Addon developers
> 117 total
> 
> A few names are double, so unique names:
> 105 total
> 
> Like the QGIS project (AFAIK), we could add the translators:
> 100 translators
> 
>> if we have enough developers with svn access (core and add-on) they could 
>> represent “charter members”
>> because they are considered trusted members of the community.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
>> But it would be good to find a way how to include power users who do not 
>> have svn access.
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> The questions are
> - how get get in the power users, how to "identify" them?
> - and: how to contact all people mentioned above? Those with OSGeo ID
> I can lookup in the system, the CSV tables are fine, too. Mass
> mailing?
> 
>> This is just my suggestion to keep things simple - we can put this out for 
>> dicussion on the
>> GRASS dev and users list.
> 
> Yes.
> Let's complete this pre-round here, then I am happy to bring it up
> there with a concrete proposal we agree upon in this list.
> 
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Moritz Lennert]

On 02/06/16 19:49, Markus Neteler wrote:

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 4:17 AM, Helena Mitasova  wrote:

On May 14, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:

...

- June 2016: elections (here it would be great use the technology of
the OSGeo charter member elections)


there will be new technology used this year - Vasile knows more about it.


I asked him: it is the same as in the last 2 years: Limesurvey.


  Here we have the problem to not have a charter membership.


we can have a system where anybody can nominate a candidate and the 
contributors with
svn access (both core and add-ons) vote - can you find out how many we have ?


I have done that (also Martin L could do) by querying the registered

   38 GRASS Core developers
   79 GRASS Addon developers
  117 total

A few names are double, so unique names:
  105 total

Like the QGIS project (AFAIK), we could add the translators:
100 translators


if we have enough developers with svn access (core and add-on) they could 
represent “charter members”
because they are considered trusted members of the community.


Agreed.


But it would be good to find a way how to include power users who do not have 
svn access.


Exactly.


I also agree, but I think we shouldn't make this too complicated.

How many power users do we really have that don't have addons access ?

I would suggest that we begin with those that have svn access (which 
probably includes the more active translators, or ?). We can then start 
from now on a process of coopting new charter members in a process 
similar to OSGeo.





The questions are
- how get get in the power users, how to "identify" them?
- and: how to contact all people mentioned above? Those with OSGeo ID
I can lookup in the system, the CSV tables are fine, too. Mass
mailing?


I would announce the vote (and the procedure) via the mailing lists. 
That way completely inactive contributors might not be informed, but 
that sounds fine to me.


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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Markus Neteler]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Moritz Lennert
 wrote:
[...]
> I would announce the vote (and the procedure) via the mailing lists. That
> way completely inactive contributors might not be informed, but that sounds
> fine to me.

Yes, makes sense.

As time permits I'll draft an announcement and would like to receive
some proof reading support to avoid that I overlook something.

Still TODO: the number of slots to fill.
We have 3 current PSC members not standing for election and apparently
7 remaining/standing for election.

Do we want another how many being randomly selected? Or 3 is fine for
now and at the next round in 3 years randomly pick 50% or any other
mechanism?

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Moritz Lennert]

On 03/06/16 12:36, Markus Neteler wrote:

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Moritz Lennert
 wrote:
[...]

I would announce the vote (and the procedure) via the mailing lists. That
way completely inactive contributors might not be informed, but that sounds
fine to me.


Yes, makes sense.

As time permits I'll draft an announcement and would like to receive
some proof reading support to avoid that I overlook something.

Still TODO: the number of slots to fill.
We have 3 current PSC members not standing for election and apparently
7 remaining/standing for election.

Do we want another how many being randomly selected? Or 3 is fine for
now and at the next round in 3 years randomly pick 50% or any other
mechanism?


Can't we just have a system where every 3 years we reelect the complete 
PSC, but people can be candidates for their own succession ? I'm not 
sure that there is such a rush of people for this job, but if there is, 
great. Then the election will actually be a real election ;-)


And I think that the risk that the entire PSC will be changed and that 
we find ourselves with a PSC full of newbies is quite low.


So, to summarize, my proposal would be:

- Election of the entire PSC every three years
- All people with SVN access have the right to vote
- Elections are announced on grass-dev and grass-user with a clear 
definition of procedure:
	- Anyone (or anyone with voting right ?) can nominate someone during a 
period of a few (4?) weeks
	- Possibly: those who are already in the PSC and stand for elections 
again do not need a nomination / can nominate themselves ?

- Voting during 1 week
- The ten candidates with the most votes make up the new PSC

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Markus Neteler]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Helena Mitasova  wrote:
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Moritz Lennert  
>> wrote:
>>> Can't we just have a system where every 3 years we reelect the complete 
>>> PSC, but people
>>> can be candidates for their own succession ? I'm not sure that there is 
>>> such a rush of people
>>> for this job, but if there is, great. Then the election will actually be a 
>>> real election ;-)
>
> that is what I had in mind. OSGeo board elections work that way as well.

The OSGeo board elections work differently:

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Election_Procedure#General_Process
"General Process
 Half of the board positions (4 or more if directors stepped down
before their term was over) will be up for election each year in a
process operated by the Chief Returning Officer (CRO).
"

Of course we don't need to follow that.


>> And I think that the risk that the entire PSC will be changed and that we 
>> find ourselves with a PSC full of newbies is quite low.
>>
>> So, to summarize, my proposal would be:
>>
>> - Election of the entire PSC every three years
>> - All people with SVN access have the right to vote
>> - Elections are announced on grass-dev and grass-user with a clear 
>> definition of procedure:
>>   - Anyone (or anyone with voting right ?) can nominate someone during a 
>> period of a few (4?) weeks
>>   - Possibly: those who are already in the PSC and stand for elections 
>> again do not need a nomination / can nominate themselves ?
>>   - Voting during 1 week
>>   - The ten candidates with the most votes make up the new PSC
>
> This looks good to me on the first reading - I suggest that we think this 
> through for a day or two (think about what may not work
> under this scenario to avoid unexpected consequences) and if it still looks 
> good we should put it on a wiki to keep track
> of the process

Already done:

https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016#Proposals

> and then it can be announced.
> I suggest that anyone regardless of voting right can nominate and the current 
> members can nominate themselves
> just by saying that they are standing for re-election.

Sounds good.

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Helena Mitasova]

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Moritz Lennert  
> wrote:
> 
> On 03/06/16 12:36, Markus Neteler wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Moritz Lennert
>>  wrote:
>> [...]
>>> I would announce the vote (and the procedure) via the mailing lists. That
>>> way completely inactive contributors might not be informed, but that sounds
>>> fine to me.
>> 
>> Yes, makes sense.
>> 
>> As time permits I'll draft an announcement and would like to receive
>> some proof reading support to avoid that I overlook something.
>> 
>> Still TODO: the number of slots to fill.
>> We have 3 current PSC members not standing for election and apparently
>> 7 remaining/standing for election.
>> 
>> Do we want another how many being randomly selected? Or 3 is fine for
>> now and at the next round in 3 years randomly pick 50% or any other
>> mechanism?
> 
> Can't we just have a system where every 3 years we reelect the complete PSC, 
> but people can be candidates for their own succession ? I'm not sure that 
> there is such a rush of people for this job, but if there is, great. Then the 
> election will actually be a real election ;-)

that is what I had in mind. OSGeo board elections work that way as well. 
> 
> And I think that the risk that the entire PSC will be changed and that we 
> find ourselves with a PSC full of newbies is quite low.
> 
> So, to summarize, my proposal would be:
> 
> - Election of the entire PSC every three years
> - All people with SVN access have the right to vote
> - Elections are announced on grass-dev and grass-user with a clear definition 
> of procedure:
>   - Anyone (or anyone with voting right ?) can nominate someone during a 
> period of a few (4?) weeks
>   - Possibly: those who are already in the PSC and stand for elections 
> again do not need a nomination / can nominate themselves ?
>   - Voting during 1 week
>   - The ten candidates with the most votes make up the new PSC

This looks good to me on the first reading - I suggest that we think this 
through for a day or two (think about what may not work
under this scenario to avoid unexpected consequences) and if it still looks 
good we should put it on a wiki to keep track
of the process and then it can be announced.
I suggest that anyone regardless of voting right can nominate and the current 
members can nominate themselves
just by saying that they are standing for re-election.

Helena
> 
> Moritz
> 

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Vaclav Petras]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Moritz Lennert  wrote:

> - Elections are announced on grass-dev and grass-user with a clear
> definition of procedure:
> - Anyone (or anyone with voting right ?) can nominate someone
> during a period of a few (4?) weeks
> - Possibly: those who are already in the PSC and stand for
> elections again do not need a nomination / can nominate themselves ?
>


Do we allow anyone (i.e. even not having voting right) to be nominated? (I
think we should.)

And should you ask the person privately before nominating? (I think that's
the usual procedure.)
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Moritz Lennert]

On 03/06/16 15:40, Vaclav Petras wrote:


On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Moritz Lennert
mailto:mlenn...@club.worldonline.be>> wrote:

- Elections are announced on grass-dev and grass-user with a clear
definition of procedure:
        - Anyone (or anyone with voting right ?) can nominate
someone during a period of a few (4?) weeks
        - Possibly: those who are already in the PSC and stand
for elections again do not need a nomination / can nominate themselves ?



Do we allow anyone (i.e. even not having voting right) to be nominated?
(I think we should.)


I would say no. IMHO, only charter members should be able to become 
members of the PSC.




And should you ask the person privately before nominating? (I think
that's the usual procedure.)


That's already part of Markus' text in the wiki:

https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016#Proposals

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Markus Neteler]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Helena Mitasova  wrote:
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Moritz Lennert  
>> wrote:
>>> Can't we just have a system where every 3 years we reelect the complete PSC,
>>> but people can be candidates for their own succession ? I'm not sure that 
>>> there is
>>> such a rush of people for this job, but if there is, great. Then the 
>>> election will actually
>>>  be a real election ;-)
>
> that is what I had in mind.

I start to like the idea to dissolve and re-elect (this time only or
always) the entire PSC:

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Martin Landa]

Hi all,

2016-06-09 16:55 GMT+02:00 Markus Neteler :
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Helena Mitasova  wrote:
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Moritz Lennert  
>>> wrote:
 Can't we just have a system where every 3 years we reelect the complete 
 PSC,
 but people can be candidates for their own succession ? I'm not sure that 
 there is
 such a rush of people for this job, but if there is, great. Then the 
 election will actually
  be a real election ;-)
>>
>> that is what I had in mind.
>
> I start to like the idea to dissolve and re-elect (this time only or
> always) the entire PSC:

I would also tend to dissolve and re-elect the entire PSC. Just 2 my
cents, Martin

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Michael Barton]

My 2 cents. While that might seem like a good idea for now, given that there 
has been no change to the PSC for a number of years, I'm not convinced that is 
the best strategy for the long term. For a body like this, it is very important 
to have continuity of technical knowledge, but more importantly of project 
culture, ethos, and history. That is best achieved by staggered elections in 
which some portion (third, half) of the PCS is elected every couple years. It 
sounds like we need to replace about 1/3 of the PCS now due to some of the 
group moving on. So that would be a convenient number to get. 

 Michael

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Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

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> On Jun 9, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Helena Mitasova  wrote:
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Moritz Lennert  
>>> wrote:
 Can't we just have a system where every 3 years we reelect the complete 
 PSC,
 but people can be candidates for their own succession ? I'm not sure that 
 there is
 such a rush of people for this job, but if there is, great. Then the 
 election will actually
 be a real election ;-)
>> 
>> that is what I had in mind.
> 
> I start to like the idea to dissolve and re-elect (this time only or
> always) the entire PSC:
> 
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Markus Neteler]

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Michael Barton  wrote:
> My 2 cents. While that might seem like a good idea for now, given that there 
> has been no change to the PSC for a number of years, I'm not convinced that 
> is the best strategy for the long term. For a body like this, it is very 
> important to have continuity of technical knowledge, but more importantly of 
> project culture, ethos, and history. That is best achieved by staggered 
> elections in which some portion (third, half) of the PCS is elected every 
> couple years. It sounds like we need to replace about 1/3 of the PCS now due 
> to some of the group moving on. So that would be a convenient number to get.

This is how the OSGeo board renewal works.

Since we are currently rather stuck with a lot of inactive members I
suggest to proceed and renew asap.

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Markus Neteler]

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Michael Barton  wrote:
>> My 2 cents. While that might seem like a good idea for now, given that there 
>> has been no change to the PSC for a number of years, I'm not convinced that 
>> is the best strategy for the long term. For a body like this, it is very 
>> important to have continuity of technical knowledge, but more importantly of 
>> project culture, ethos, and history. That is best achieved by staggered 
>> elections in which some portion (third, half) of the PCS is elected every 
>> couple years. It sounds like we need to replace about 1/3 of the PCS now due 
>> to some of the group moving on. So that would be a convenient number to get.
>
> This is how the OSGeo board renewal works.
>
> Since we are currently rather stuck with a lot of inactive members I
> suggest to proceed and renew asap.

[ ... 12 days later ...]

The lack of feedback supports my idea to suggest to dissolve the current PSC :-)

Best
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Massimiliano Cannata]

I support you Markus, it looks to me the quickest way to restart.

Maxi

2016-06-23 16:44 GMT+02:00 Markus Neteler :

> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Michael Barton 
> wrote:
> >> My 2 cents. While that might seem like a good idea for now, given that
> there has been no change to the PSC for a number of years, I'm not
> convinced that is the best strategy for the long term. For a body like
> this, it is very important to have continuity of technical knowledge, but
> more importantly of project culture, ethos, and history. That is best
> achieved by staggered elections in which some portion (third, half) of the
> PCS is elected every couple years. It sounds like we need to replace about
> 1/3 of the PCS now due to some of the group moving on. So that would be a
> convenient number to get.
> >
> > This is how the OSGeo board renewal works.
> >
> > Since we are currently rather stuck with a lot of inactive members I
> > suggest to proceed and renew asap.
>
> [ ... 12 days later ...]
>
> The lack of feedback supports my idea to suggest to dissolve the current
> PSC :-)
>
> Best
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Scott Mitchell]

I agree, it seems to be time.

 

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On 2016-06-23, 12:47, "grass-psc on behalf of Massimiliano Cannata" 
 
wrote:

 

I support you Markus, it looks to me the quickest way to restart.

 

Maxi

 

2016-06-23 16:44 GMT+02:00 Markus Neteler :

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Michael Barton  wrote:
>> My 2 cents. While that might seem like a good idea for now, given that there 
>> has been no change to the PSC for a number of years, I'm not convinced that 
>> is the best strategy for the long term. For a body like this, it is very 
>> important to have continuity of technical knowledge, but more importantly of 
>> project culture, ethos, and history. That is best achieved by staggered 
>> elections in which some portion (third, half) of the PCS is elected every 
>> couple years. It sounds like we need to replace about 1/3 of the PCS now due 
>> to some of the group moving on. So that would be a convenient number to get.
>
> This is how the OSGeo board renewal works.
>
> Since we are currently rather stuck with a lot of inactive members I
> suggest to proceed and renew asap.

[ ... 12 days later ...]

The lack of feedback supports my idea to suggest to dissolve the current PSC :-)

Best

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Michael Barton]

I will go with the majority.

Michale

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Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science
Arizona State University

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On Jun 23, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Scott Mitchell 
mailto:scott.mitch...@glel.carleton.ca>> wrote:

I agree, it seems to be time.

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On 2016-06-23, 12:47, "grass-psc on behalf of Massimiliano Cannata" 
mailto:grass-psc-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on 
behalf of massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> 
wrote:

I support you Markus, it looks to me the quickest way to restart.

Maxi

2016-06-23 16:44 GMT+02:00 Markus Neteler 
mailto:nete...@osgeo.org>>:
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Markus Neteler 
mailto:nete...@osgeo.org>> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Michael Barton 
> mailto:michael.bar...@asu.edu>> wrote:
>> My 2 cents. While that might seem like a good idea for now, given that there 
>> has been no change to the PSC for a number of years, I'm not convinced that 
>> is the best strategy for the long term. For a body like this, it is very 
>> important to have continuity of technical knowledge, but more importantly of 
>> project culture, ethos, and history. That is best achieved by staggered 
>> elections in which some portion (third, half) of the PCS is elected every 
>> couple years. It sounds like we need to replace about 1/3 of the PCS now due 
>> to some of the group moving on. So that would be a convenient number to get.
>
> This is how the OSGeo board renewal works.
>
> Since we are currently rather stuck with a lot of inactive members I
> suggest to proceed and renew asap.

[ ... 12 days later ...]

The lack of feedback supports my idea to suggest to dissolve the current PSC :-)

Best
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Margherita Di Leo]

hi,

the 1/3 idea was good but IMHO difficult to put in practice because it is
not clear how to start it. moreover, I don't think that dissolving the
whole PSC would lead to a new one composed by only new members, there will
be for sure among the new elected some old members. Thus Im in favor of
dissolving it now. Perhaps old members could serve as "honorary members"
anyway, just to offer support in the event of a completely new team. Thank
you for pushing this forward Markus.

Best,
Margherita

On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 at 16:45, Markus Neteler  wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Michael Barton 
> wrote:
> >> My 2 cents. While that might seem like a good idea for now, given that
> there has been no change to the PSC for a number of years, I'm not
> convinced that is the best strategy for the long term. For a body like
> this, it is very important to have continuity of technical knowledge, but
> more importantly of project culture, ethos, and history. That is best
> achieved by staggered elections in which some portion (third, half) of the
> PCS is elected every couple years. It sounds like we need to replace about
> 1/3 of the PCS now due to some of the group moving on. So that would be a
> convenient number to get.
> >
> > This is how the OSGeo board renewal works.
> >
> > Since we are currently rather stuck with a lot of inactive members I
> > suggest to proceed and renew asap.
>
> [ ... 12 days later ...]
>
> The lack of feedback supports my idea to suggest to dissolve the current
> PSC :-)
>
> Best
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Markus Neteler]

Dear PSC,

learning from the OSGeo board elections, it is better to have an
independent CRO running the elections (see the other recent emails on
this).

I have now  updated the trac Wiki pages accordingly, please check

https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016

Then we may launch the procedure!

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Scott Mitchell]

There are a number of local people here in Ottawa who are active in OSGEO/open 
source GIS, but not in GRASS affairs. I could certainly approach some if the 
group would appreciate that and it's considered appropriate. 
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Associate Professor
Department of Geography and Environmental Studies
Carleton University
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wrote:










Dear PSC,

learning from the OSGeo board elections, it is better to have an
independent CRO running the elections (see the other recent emails on
this).

I have now  updated the trac Wiki pages accordingly, please check

https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016

Then we may launch the procedure!

best
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Markus Neteler]

Scott,

On Jul 17, 2016 2:05 AM, "Scott Mitchell" 
wrote:
>
> There are a number of local people here in Ottawa who are active in
OSGEO/open source GIS, but not in GRASS affairs. I could certainly approach
some if the group would appreciate that and it's considered appropriate.

Did you see that we have a volunteer?
Or do to prefer anyone else?

Markus

> -
> Scott Mitchell
> Associate Professor
> Department of Geography and Environmental Studies
> Carleton University
> (Sent from my mobile device, so apologies if this message seems terse)
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 6:24 PM -0400, "Markus Neteler" 
wrote:
>
>> Dear PSC, learning from the OSGeo board elections, it is better to have
an independent CRO running the elections (see the other recent emails on
this). I have now updated the trac Wiki pages accordingly, please check
https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016
>>  Then we may launch the procedure! best Markus
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS PSC elections in 2016

[Scott Mitchell]

Closing the loop because I see I accidentally replied only to Markus.  I am 
pleased that Nikos has volunteered, and I have absolutely no issue with that.  
I simply had not fully read all my email yet when I wrote the message about 
finding someone.

 

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On 2016-07-17, 03:07, "Markus Neteler"  wrote:

 

Scott,

On Jul 17, 2016 2:05 AM, "Scott Mitchell"  
wrote:
>
> There are a number of local people here in Ottawa who are active in 
> OSGEO/open source GIS, but not in GRASS affairs. I could certainly approach 
> some if the group would appreciate that and it's considered appropriate. 

Did you see that we have a volunteer?
Or do to prefer anyone else?

Markus

> -
> Scott Mitchell
> Associate Professor
> Department of Geography and Environmental Studies
> Carleton University
> (Sent from my mobile device, so apologies if this message seems terse)
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 6:24 PM -0400, "Markus Neteler"  
> wrote:
>
>> Dear PSC, learning from the OSGeo board elections, it is better to have an 
>> independent CRO running the elections (see the other recent emails on this). 
>> I have now updated the trac Wiki pages accordingly, please check 
>> https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2016
>>  Then we may launch the procedure! best Markus 
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