Re: [h-cost] Re: monk underwear
--- Heather Rose Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There's an even better example in Walter Map's De Nugis Curialium where he tells a story of a monk whose order disdained underpants as being too luxurious, so that when he took a tumble in the street he exposed his ... parts for all and sundry to see. Walter gives the moral of the story as something roughly equivalent to sometimes discretion is the better part of asceticism. Heather Do you know where in De Nugis Curialium this story is? I've been wanting to follow up this reference for quite a while, but the book is reference only, and rather thick, so I can't justify an entire photocopy. /Lena ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
Sounds to me that this coat might be her own term for a RobeD'Anglais? Even in these modern times I hear discussions about coat dresses of the 18th C. Kathleen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Coat In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:51:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When Struensee, a german doctor was excecuted in Copenhagen, the newspapers wrote that he wore a Viltskur wich is the danish name of a greatcoat made of fur. His fur coat was made of wolf. It was angle lenght and had a big collar attached to it according to the print they published of the episode. The german doctor had first his right hand cut off, then his head. He had an affair with our queen. Thanks Bjarne, but in the context this is definitely a dress of some kind. One of several references--We have retired to dress for dinner. Shall I tell you our dresses? I hear you say Yes. Mrs. P. wears a brocade; Cousin M. her pink Great-Coat, and I my pink. However, your story reminded me that I read a historical novel years ago about this queen. According to that author, her husband was, ahem, not that interested in women, so she turned elsewhere for solace. It was so long ago that I don't remember the title or author, but I remember it was about a queen of Denmark, and that her lover was a learned man. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
Also, is this diary American or English or whatever. I suppose that could in itself give a clue. Kathleen - Original Message - From: michaela [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Coat I'm reading a diary of a young woman in Virginia in 1787, and she uses the term great coat for an article of clothing. It is clear from the context that this is NOT the many-caped, overcoat type garment. I know that coat could refer to a petticoat, but any ideas as to this particular usage? Would it be possible to read this in context? It may help us understand the context better as well. Have you tried the 18thC woman list on yahoo? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/18cWoman/ michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/282 - Release Date: 15/03/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
In a message dated 3/17/2006 8:20:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you've ever marched up and down some hill in the rain in the middle of the night with some idgit sergeant barking at you coz he's been barked at, you'll know what a great coat is! (A big overcoat) Ah, yes, I know this definition well, and have seen many examples. However, I repeat, in the context I'm talking about, this garment is most definitely NOT a heavy overcoat You don't wear those to dinner, I don't think, unless in camp, in the driving rain or numbing cold. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
In a message dated 3/17/2006 8:23:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds to me that this coat might be her own term for a RobeD'Anglais? Even in these modern times I hear discussions about coat dresses of the 18th C. Thanks--that makes some sense. I am going to post to the 18thc Woman list, too, as soon as my membership is approved. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
In a message dated 3/17/2006 8:25:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, is this diary American or English or whatever. I suppose that could in itself give a clue. Kathleen American, tidewater Virginia, 1787. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] period dye color references
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe magenta was one of the aniline dyes invented in the later 19th century and was named after a battle in Napoleon III's reign - but I assume the poster was referring to a natural colour approaching that shade. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/03/2006 21:49 I always thought that magenta was named after a battle in the Napoleonic wars but I could be way wrong! Suzi I found this: magenta adj : deep purplish red n 1: a dark purple-red; the dye was discovered in 1859, the year of the battle of Magenta [syn: fuchsia] 2: a battle in 1859 in which the French and Sardinian forces under Napoleon III defeated the Austrians under Francis Joseph I [syn: Magenta, Battle of Magenta] Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University And this is just interesting: Main Entry: fuch·sin Variant: or fuch·sine /'fyük-sn, -sEn/ Function: noun : a dye that is produced by oxidation of a mixture of aniline and toluidines, that yields a brilliant bluish red, and that is used in carbolfuchsin paint, in Schiff's reagent, and as a biological stain Fuchs /'fuks/, Leonhard (1501–1566), German botanist and physician. In 1542 Fuchs published De Historia Stirpium, a manual of herbal plants that stands as a landmark in botany. The work is historically important for its orderly presentation, accurate drawings and precise plant descriptions, and its glossary of botanical terms. Fuchs was especially interested in the medicinal properties of plants, and his book listed the reputed powers of each. The genus Fuchsia was named in his honor by Linnaeus in 1753. Fuchsia also denotes the vivid reddish purple color of the flowers of many plants belonging to the genus. Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. I love this list - it leads me to look up so many interesting things - I had no idea before this that the colour was named after a Napoleonic battle. Joannah. ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] period dye color references
At 15:58 17/03/2006, you wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe magenta was one of the aniline dyes invented in the later 19th century and was named after a battle in Napoleon III's reign - but I assume the poster was referring to a natural colour approaching that shade. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/03/2006 21:49 I always thought that magenta was named after a battle in the Napoleonic wars but I could be way wrong! Suzi I found this: magenta adj : deep purplish red n 1: a dark purple-red; the dye was discovered in 1859, the year of the battle of Magenta [syn: fuchsia] 2: a battle in 1859 in which the French and Sardinian forces under Napoleon III defeated the Austrians under Francis Joseph I [syn: Magenta, Battle of Magenta] Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University And this is just interesting: Main Entry: fuch·sin Variant: or fuch·sine /'fyük-sn, -sEn/ Function: noun : a dye that is produced by oxidation of a mixture of aniline and toluidines, that yields a brilliant bluish red, and that is used in carbolfuchsin paint, in Schiff's reagent, and as a biological stain Fuchs /'fuks/, Leonhard (15011566), German botanist and physician. In 1542 Fuchs published De Historia Stirpium, a manual of herbal plants that stands as a landmark in botany. The work is historically important for its orderly presentation, accurate drawings and precise plant descriptions, and its glossary of botanical terms. Fuchs was especially interested in the medicinal properties of plants, and his book listed the reputed powers of each. The genus Fuchsia was named in his honor by Linnaeus in 1753. Fuchsia also denotes the vivid reddish purple color of the flowers of many plants belonging to the genus. Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. I love this list - it leads me to look up so many interesting things - I had no idea before this that the colour was named after a Napoleonic battle. I did, but the wrong Napoleon. See, a little knowledge Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: period dye color references
My modern references state thus: #1. Dandelion flowers with alum mordant produce a soft yellow, flowers with a tin mordant produce yellow, and the whole plant -roots, leaves and flowers - without mordant produces a magenta color. #2. Dandelion flowers with tin mordant produce a golden yellow and dandelion root with an alum mordant a gold-yellow similar to what we call 'goldenrod' paper. (this one has a color chart) I spent a few years as a RD lab technician at a homeopathic manufacturing company. Dandelion is a great foodstuff/supplement. Good for the liver too. My dad used it in salads and for making wine. Annette M (looking forward to finally moving into our new house where there is a lot more space for sewing and room to start experimenting with natural dyes) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 6 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:58:25 -0600 From: otsisto Subject: RE: [h-cost] period dye color references I have always heard that it is the flower or the whole plant that is used in dyeing not just the root. (Though there is a site online that says you can get a red from the root). What color is made, I don't know as I have not gotten into natural dyeing. One person told me that she achieved an almost saffron color reddish yellow with the flowers. And another said she used Alum and got yellow. So maybe the mordant might have an effect in the color. Another said that the leaves with salt made red. Found this site of someones experiment: http://www.sewanee.edu/chem/chemart/Detail_Pages/Projects_2003/Lawrence/htm l/Lawrence.html The root of the dandelion is good for the liver and has been used in cases of cirrhosis of the liver. It is a diuretic which helps to flush the liver and kidney's. The leaves when picked young is good to add to a salad. The leaves also contain A,B,C, and D vitamins, plus potassium salts, iron and other minerals. The flowers are edible as well and pretty up a salad. The root is also an anti-rheumatic and a mild laxative. If you choose to try dandelion in your diet, please learn the hows and wheres of harvesting the plant. Like don't eat of a dandelion growing very near a highway of road. De -Original Message- ..as far as any of the more experienced dyers could tell, get reds from dandelion root. Pixel/Margaret - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] German water--attn dyers
One of my customers, an American who lives in Germany, recently mentioned something that I'd never heard before: for some reason, a lot of dyes bleed in their water, which wouldn't bleed in US water (definitely including commercial dyes, on cloth from the US and possibly also from Europe). Do we have any people from Germany on the list? Have you dealt with this phenomenon? Any idea what might be in German water/missing from German water that wouldn't be in/missing from US water? Could it be flouride? I'm trying to find some sort of mordant/dye setting chemical that I could use, that would fix the dye on the cloth I'm about to use for her gown. Aside from some flouridated toothpaste I can only get from the dentist, I have no ideas for a source of OTC flouride, but if flouride is absent from German water that'd definitely be the first thing I'd want to try. My only other idea for the moment is vinegar, which I think is not technically a mordant, but does have dye-setting properties on at least some fibers. (The fabrics I'll be using are linen and silk.) -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Archives (clip and save so I don't have to keep posting this!)
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[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 259 (Factions and Roman colors)
That's very interesting. I'm technically studying late antique Byzantium, so I hadn't come across that bit of information yet. Thanks! Tea Rose From: Jean Waddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 250 To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the word factio originally referred to the chariot-racing teams, and then the supporters of each team banded together for social welfare etc, and the modern meaning of faction as a political grouping grew out of that. Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: period dye color references
- Original Message - From: Kahlara [EMAIL PROTECTED] My modern references state thus: #1. Dandelion flowers with alum mordant produce a soft yellow, flowers with a tin mordant produce yellow, and the whole plant -roots, leaves and flowers - without mordant produces a magenta color. Does your reference say anything about colorfastness? -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure
Hi Cin, The print i talk about is in the italian fashion history book by Mila Contini, if you would like, i can scan the print for you and send you by email. Yes please! That's one book I dont have. I found your guy Abraham Bosse and his lovely illustrations. Pretty pictures! None of them show the doublet wrist closure without the lace cuff. The closure is always covered up. Carpaccio's men are the same always covered by lace so I cant see what I want to see. I am not sertan about what you want, a book about doublets? If there was on i would surely like to know :-) I'm trying to figure out how the wrist closure is constructed. I doubt it is constructed like a modern suit jacket where the vent is lapped then sewn in place with false buttonholes. Does it have lots of buttons or just one? Is it laced? hooked? or completely closed the hand just slips in? I guess i need a picture of a guy getting dressed, just before he turns the lace cuffs back. Or perhaps a pic of a guy in a doublet shooting his cuffs the way modern men in suits do. The cut of mens clothes has a doublet from the time! True. And she, Norah Waugh, never shows the cuff closure. I'll go look thru Janet Arnold again. Thanks, Bjarne, you're a pal! --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure
Dear Cin, I have a catalog from Royal Armory in Stockholm. The swedes has great doublets from the time all very nicely preserved. I also have the fine book the museum published Fashion Lions about the mens fashion. The doublets all have 2 piece sleaves. The back seam is not finished, but opened about 5-10 cm. Then they used to (in come cases) turn back the sleave, so that it would make a cuff in itself. But when worn with white linnen cuffs, i suppose they were just pinned together with the cuffs. No buttons, no buttonholes - nothing So my guess is that they pinned the sleaves together at the wrist! Does this make sence? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-cost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] period dye color references
Wonderful! So there is reference to a color of that sort, even if it didn't have that name yet, as far back as the 16th century. Thank you! Annette M Message: 7 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:58:55 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen Subject: Re: [h-cost] period dye color references snip-- I found this: magenta adj : deep purplish red n 1: a dark purple-red; the dye was discovered in 1859, the year of the battle of Magenta [syn: fuchsia] 2: a battle in 1859 in which the French and Sardinian forces under Napoleon III defeated the Austrians under Francis Joseph I [syn: Magenta, Battle of Magenta] Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University And this is just interesting: Main Entry: fuch·sin Variant: or fuch·sine /'fyük-sn, -sEn/ Function: noun : a dye that is produced by oxidation of a mixture of aniline and toluidines, that yields a brilliant bluish red, and that is used in carbolfuchsin paint, in Schiff's reagent, and as a biological stain Fuchs /'fuks/, Leonhard (1501â1566), German botanist and physician. In 1542 Fuchs published De Historia Stirpium, a manual of herbal plants that stands as a landmark in botany. The work is historically important for its orderly presentation, accurate drawings and precise plant descriptions, and its glossary of botanical terms. Fuchs was especially interested in the medicinal properties of plants, and his book listed the reputed powers of each. The genus Fuchsia was named in his honor by Linnaeus in 1753. Fuchsia also denotes the vivid reddish purple color of the flowers of many plants belonging to the genus. Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. I love this list - it leads me to look up so many interesting things - I had no idea before this that the colour was named after a Napoleonic battle. Joannah. ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] period dye color references/color fastness
Yes, the first reference stated good color fastness in the yellow with both tin and alum, but had no comment regarding the magenta without mordant - leading me to believe that it is not color fast at all. Annette M Message: 12 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:39:50 -0600 From: E House Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: period dye color references - Original Message - From: Kahlara My modern references state thus: #1. Dandelion flowers with alum mordant produce a soft yellow, flowers with a tin mordant produce yellow, and the whole plant -roots, leaves and flowers - without mordant produces a magenta color. Does your reference say anything about colorfastness? -E House - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: German water--attn dyers
I'm not a dyer (yet!) but I doubt it's flouride; we don't have it in the water where I live (Independence, Missouri) and I haven't noticed anything like that. Well, we do have a teensy bit that occurs naturally, but it's not artificially added like in most municipal water supplies. I read an article once about how Europeans are always quick to adopt new stuff for their laundry but Americans are more reluctant to buy new products. Could it be something about the detergent she's using? Tea Rose === From: E House [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] German water--attn dyers To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any idea what might be in German water/missing from German water that wouldn't be in/missing from US water? Could it be flouride? -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] German water--attn dyers
I've gotten fluoride mouth rinse from our dentist, also I think there is some OTC.I'm not sure of the concentration, though. I think it's more likely a mineral that is/is not in the water, since tin, salt, and alum are all (?) minerals. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 7:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] German water--attn dyers One of my customers, an American who lives in Germany, recently mentioned something that I'd never heard before: for some reason, a lot of dyes bleed in their water, which wouldn't bleed in US water (definitely including commercial dyes, on cloth from the US and possibly also from Europe). Do we have any people from Germany on the list? Have you dealt with this phenomenon? Any idea what might be in German water/missing from German water that wouldn't be in/missing from US water? Could it be flouride? I'm trying to find some sort of mordant/dye setting chemical that I could use, that would fix the dye on the cloth I'm about to use for her gown. Aside from some flouridated toothpaste I can only get from the dentist, I have no ideas for a source of OTC flouride, but if flouride is absent from German water that'd definitely be the first thing I'd want to try. My only other idea for the moment is vinegar, which I think is not technically a mordant, but does have dye-setting properties on at least some fibers. (The fabrics I'll be using are linen and silk.) -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German water--attn dyers
Aside from some flouridated toothpaste I can only get from the dentist, I have no ideas for a source of OTC flouride, but if flouride is absent I have no idea of the effects of fluoride on dye or how close it is to the stuff in water but you can get fluoride tablets or drops from dentists. Water where I live is not fluoridated either but I don't notice the kind of bleeding you mention. lisa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Archives (clip and save so I don't have to keep postingthis!)
To save re-posting this info is there any way we can add the archives address to the info that's attached to the bottom of every email? Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
I'm wondering if great coat possibly could have been her nickname or personal slang between her and her friends for redingcote? I've deleted the original posting, but wasn't the dairy written in 1787? Weren't redingcotes very stylish then? They two terms sound so similar. I read a book years ago about Elizabeth Fry, about the same time period, (maybe a little later?), and she and her sisters had all sorts of family nicknames that would have meant nothing to an outsider. I nicknamed a dress of mine my Red Army dress - (it was a wool, army green coat dress) and only my sister would know what that meant. If I had mentioned it in a letter or diary, two hundred years later a reader might think that it was fashionable for women in the 1980's to wear dresses from the Soviet Union military when it was merely an in-joke between friends. Just thinking. Sheridan Alder At 10:14 PM 3/16/2006 -0500, you wrote: In a message dated 3/16/2006 3:57:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps it just means the outer most coat, or a long coatwhether it has multiple capes,or is even heavy wool, or no. Perhaps a long light coat for fall or spring or riding or traveling. Great referring to its length No, this is definitely what we would call a dress of some kind--one of her friends is putting one on for dinner. I'm only familiar with the definition as an overcoat, and that is why I'm so confused. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German water--attn dyers--and chemists!
Very interesting. I live in an area where the water is over fluoridated (is that a word?) People moving into new developments have to sign a release that they understand the water is not good for children (discolors teeth). I have not experienced any excessive problem with bleeding. We are talking about several washings after the dying right? I have one gown I have had problems with, but it is a cotton/linen blend and I used procion dyes. The deep color has just not held up and does transfer to other clothing if left moist. I use those color catchers, but if the spun items sit for any length of time, it transfers. My linen and linen rayon blends, and silks dye up beautifully. 100% cotton does not dye as deeply. I use all the recommended chemicals, synthropol to wash after a detergent wash, casoline to distribute, soda ash to set, and fixative in a final rinse with softener Hmm. As recall there is are a few chemists on the list..they might know more... Sg E House wrote: One of my customers, an American who lives in Germany, recently mentioned something that I'd never heard before: for some reason, a lot of dyes bleed in t dye-setting properties on at least some fibers. (The fabrics I'll be using are linen and silk.) -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Toga trim in Gladiator
Ooooh, these look like fun! Thanks Sg Joannah Hansen wrote: Admittedly, this came from fiction, but the author is pretty careful about her research - I *think* I read, in passing, that the chariot team supporters did show their support by wearing their their teams' colours, at least at the races. The books are by Lindsay Davis, and a great favourite of my husband and I - the series makes Rome circa AD70 come very alive. This is the series - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/series/-/504/ref=pd_sr_ec_ser_b/104-8506690-0966322 Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Archives (clip and save so I don't have to keep postingthis!)
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: To save re-posting this info is there any way we can add the archives address to the info that's attached to the bottom of every email? If you go to the web page listed there already, you'll find directions on getting to Eric's archive. This could be updated to include the two more recent post-by-post archives (gmane and mail-archive), but still, given the number of times people ask, it's obvious they aren't following the existing link that's already on every message. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Archives (clip and save so I don't have to keep postingthis!)
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: To save re-posting this info is there any way we can add the archives address to the info that's attached to the bottom of every email? If you go to the web page listed there already, you'll find directions on getting to Eric's archive. This could be updated to include the two more recent post-by-post archives (gmane and mail-archive), but still, given the number of times people ask, it's obvious they aren't following the existing link that's already on every message. I may be just having a clueless Day, but there's nothing inherent about the link at the bottom of each message h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume that in any way indicates that you can find archives there. I know that they're there, because I'm an obsessive link follower . Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure
Hi. From my view there aren't any closures, just a cuff. On some versions of doublets, though, there were buttoned closures, though, with the pose shown, you would see them. Cheers, Mike T. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Archives (clip and save so I don't have to keep postingthis!)
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Susan B. Farmer wrote: h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume that in any way indicates that you can find archives there. I know that they're there, because I'm an obsessive link follower . Well, it does say listinfo. That would logically be the first place to look for information about the list. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: German water--attn dyers
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I read an article once about how Europeans are always quick to adopt new stuff for their laundry but Americans are more reluctant to buy new products. Could it be something about the detergent she's using? You know, this might be it--I'll ask her about it! -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Art Hysteria
Just for fun--here's an analysis of a copy of Holbein's sketch of Thomas More's Family: http://www.holbeinartworks.org/bfourstmandtpitt.htm Anyone who makes it all the way through gets a cookie! -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re:Glove pic
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is exactly what I plan on using. I purchased some white vintage kid gloves and will tack on the wrist decoration with russet and olive ribbons. I currently have it in a garment weight leather, butit's coming off rather heavy looking and totally overpowering the delicacy of the kid and the silk ribbons. I have also lined the leather with an orange/red shot silk to make the slashes pop. It looks good, but again, I need to lighten the leather up. I have some paper thin sueded leather in white that might work. I'm just reluctant to cut into it as it had other plans to be corset binding. I'll see what I can come up with. I wonder if I could just do it with some white taffeta and the silk ribbons instead? That would match the sheen of the kid and the delicacy of the decoration. hMust go rummaging for scraps! Kathy Have you tried to find garment/clothing leather? The sort of leather that they make womens leather skirts out of? That leather is usually very thin - not as thin as kid, but certainly finer than most leather from leather shops. It may be worth your while to have a search through your local second-hand clothes store, I know that I have seen cast-off leather clothes ( usually in *tiny* sizes, which I would imagine is why they are *still* in the shop! ) in the second-hand shops here. Or is there a leather clothing manufacturer near you who you could speak to, about maybe buying some offcuts? The orange/red silk lining to show show through the slashes sounds gorgeous! You are going to show us pictures of the end result, right? :- Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
